Merc has a subscription but one of the delivery drivers got lost... Much as I was incredibly happy about the podium for Ricciardo, I sadly doubt it would have happened without Bottas conking out
@@tafarid.7347 no chance. Look past your fangirling and be realistic. He's got a 15 sex deficit and Perez couldn't even close that down in a faster car than Norris
No. Enstone was degrated after Genii didn't invest in the infrastructure at all. They basically bought back the same means they sold to Genii but with 200 people less and 6 years old while stuff like CFD licenses weren't even renewed and the windtunnel got outdated to the extent that it was cheaper to basically rebuild it. It took time to rebuild the infrastructure (hundreds of people, new windtunnel, technical means (the latter was probably the easiest). Internally, Renault struggled with the engine, because after the engine freeze, Briatore cut away a huge part of the development infrastructure. They had to rebuild that and for too long had to rely on the standard Magnetti Marelli version. Apparently they even brought in people from Nissan to get the development going.
1- taking few drivers who don't have technical knowledge 2-non reliable engine in the early years 3- bad chassis But in 2020 everything seems to be in shape all the above issues are rectified and they deserve this podium
That 5 year plan wasn’t so much a failure as it was just over ambitious. They learned a lot over those 5 years, and if they can keep the momentum, Alpine/Renault could be a formidable force especially in the upcoming era. They haven’t done THAT badly this year, given that they have 114 points to McLaren’s 116 and RP’s 120. They are well within striking distance of them. In 2019 Renault only scored 91 constructor points to McLaren’s 145. So, massive improvement in my book. Just not enough like RP’s.
Agree, although RP have a Mercedes engine and are running essentially the same design as Mercs 2019 car. Their performance this year has been a bit of a red herring.
@@cameron3203 you may be right, let’s see what they do when Merc invariably innovate drastically again, and RP can’t copy this time. I also don’t remember if the DAS system was legal or not, so I’m 50-50 on whether racing point adopts it as well or not
@@cameron3203 RP is also on the decline, at the start of the season, they were second best constructors, ahead of even Red Bull, Max somehow pulled off good results though. But now they are falling behind while Renault is moving up.
The guy let Ricciardo and Hulkenberg go, that’s enough for fanboys to hate him. + he is French, which is enough to be hated by a lot of people according the youtube comment sections.
@@FoFoxhound that's because both renault and McLaren are improving so much it's all just a gamble on who improves more. I think with renault struggling last year that made Riccardo choose McLaren
He is disliked because he kept overpromising and got the job because he knew the good persons in the board. Fact is knowers would have preferred Vasseur at the helm.
Also for destroying the car with terrible development inputs that makes the car undriveable and then blames the team for doing what he asked. And being trashed by a rookie
@@PitestiNation it is, but this is f1 and you know how it works... it's usually favored that one team is light years ahead of anything else, and gets favored even more.
It's not like the car is particularly podium fit right now either. It took a lot of chaos to break the streak. Idk, let's just hope Renault/Alpine continue the uptick and show further fighting fitness going forward.
" A lot of chaos" Ricciardo was 4th and gain only one place after bottas DNF what are you talking about ? You want chaos, the 2 mclaren podiums were made only because of real chaos, same with Gasly. Ricciardo would have finished 4th with bottas still in the race. And in case you didn't know there's 3 dominant car/ Driver that occupies constantly the podium so yeah it's not a podium winning car but at least Top 4 .
It seems clear that Renault are gradually improving, and whilst in some respects Fernando might seem to be a good decision, he is now 43 and he will just not be able to compete with the younger men in F1. A harsh reality but Michael Schumacher did the same thing. Fernando will end up being frustrated and angry when he doesn't get the results. I don't know how good he is technically at helping the development of the car, but the video is suggesting that its all about the aerodynamics, and I can't see that Fernando can help with that. I do like the yellow and black though
Not related to this video, but do you guys have any plans for a channel/content that doesn't cover F1? MotoGP and WRC have been amazing this year but don't get much coverage like this. Your F1 content is top notch and I'm sure a lot of us would love a bit of coverage for other top tier motorsports
In the 5 year plan, they wanted to be fighting Merc/RB/Ferrari for the championship. They should be fighting with the big three for wins, not the best of the rest. While there is progress, it is still technically a failure
They may be helped by Honda's withdrawal, will have to wait and see how that impacts RB in 2022. However McLaren will get the MB engine so can see further improvement from them. And from left field, a rejuvenated SV in an Aston Martin?
@@chromiumphotography5138 true, but the context of this video was meeting their ex 3 year and now 5+ year plan to be champions again. So even finishing 2nd will be a failure.
On an interesting note, Mclaren switching engines during this development freeze phase might actually backfire for them, because they essentially need to sacrifice some of their development tokens just to intergrate the new engine into their chasis. Renault might end up having a way better car because they have a token advantage over Mclaren.
why do people see a success with the Merc engine when no team with that engine actually performs at the front?? why should it be the cas for McLaren?? people are so dumb it's actually driving me furious. i will laugh when McLaren will under perform with that engine. look at RP and Williams!! FFS that engine is not the ultimate solution by itself. freakin dead brains. aero package is 1000 times more important than the engine.
The hybrid era will go down in history as the most lopsided ever. I really think if something isn’t done to curb the Mercedes dominance the sport will suffer long term
Why bash Mercedes for being better than everyone else? Even with a cost cap, Mercedes have proven they are adaptable and can provide a championship winning car. Everyone else _should_ be able to do the same. It’s disappointing from Ferrari and Redbull and McLaren that they can’t do the same. And they had YEARS to develop a competitive car, no excuses anymore.
they are on the right track but will have McLaren with a Merc engine to contend with...I hope Fernando is up to racing at the top level still otherwise he could cause problems...I think he will be but who knows...
I think their main issue is that they never signed a "top driver" that could develop the team. Until Daniel Ricciardo was signed their most experienced driver was Nico Hulkenberg... I know he is very unlucky but he never drove for a top team.
Alpine will be 1 of 2 works teams on the grid with a strong power unit in ‘22. It’s their chance to move past RB and challenge at the front. With Alonso I expect an Alpine win in ‘22.
Great detailed insights well done THE RACE team ! if i can add to your analytics, you may just have missed a key one : The whole trouble for Renault actually started with good old Flavio Briatore selling the whole bunch of Renault infras (wing tunnel, all aero facilities) 2012 if i am not wrong - just right before they have chosen to come back for good, and of course before the 2014 new aero sensitive package. Got that from a Cyril Abiteboul insider interview in 2019 plus Martin Brundle. So they play litterally catch up, a conscious one to "REBUILD" development capacity & capabilities with high investment since 2016. Long road and the keyword is, how to catch up before 2022. They already caught up very well. One has to appreciate the methodic and discipline of Cyril Abiteboul, who says what he does and does what he says, since 2016.
Running an F1 team is like throwing money into a bottomless pit, anyone crazy enough to finance an F1 team must realise that bringing a team up to a race winning outfit, let alone a championship winning team, isn’t a sprint race, it’s a marathon race and no amount of money can change that, even the best drivers in F1 can’t make a poor car into a winning car. The cap on budgets that has/is been brought in should, in theory, narrow the gap between the biggest budget teams and the working on a shoestring budget ones, let’s, or at least in my opinion, hope that it does. Thanks for another great episode, very interesting and informative. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴
Getting that car to work on all circuits ahead of the 2021 season will put them in a good place to go forward. At this point its all about maximizing that car's performance through each successive upgrade package. No longer do they need to worry about equalization, now they just need to build.
Renault should get more credit than they get. They persist, while others such as Honda and Toyota throw in the towel. Their engine gave Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel loads of victories. They also attract top rated drivers to their genuine works team. They deserve success.
I was fully expecting 2020 was going to be "well, it's 2020... and now 2021 as well". I honestly wrote the season off after they cancelled in Australia and I've not had a reason to really tune into this year. Maybe things will be back to status quo in winter testing but who knows. Next year is going to be an exciting one (excluding racing), that's for sure.
i think they can get there if they concept of their cars are right from the launch. they show they can develop the car at a very good rate. if they have the wrong concept or take a wrong direction, then i think they won't be able to recover quick enough to continue the trend of moving closer. they had a world class driver in the hulk, which they probably didn't realise till now.
Renault deserves to be higher! They brought many innovations to F1, like the V10 and active suspension. Added bonus : it would add race thrill to challenge Mercedes, Red Bull, and Ferrari (hopefully - they should rank on a better place too!)
Neither of those things are Renault innovations... Lotus was first to bring active suspension, but not very well, and then Williams did it better about 10 years later. Honda and Renault both brought V10s to F1 in 1989, hardly an innovation. Renault's F1 innovations include turbocharging, pneumatic valve springs and tuned mass dampers.
Honda went to V12 engine in the early 90's and remains the only V12 engine to win a championship. Honda's V10 was more powerful than Renaults V10 in the 2000's before they switched to V8's.
Renault seem to always get ahead of themselves after a good result . just need to keep quiet and do the talking on track tbh, all midfield teams have a podium now so it’s not like they are a stand out team this year.
yes it failed. But the regulation-change that is coming 2022 was first scheduled for 2020. I'm bot saying they would fight for the championship by now if there was the change in regulations, but it could be very different.
Short term IMHO, RP/Aston / McLaren / Ferrari should all be expected to make big surges forward again at some point and jump back ahead. Some/all of them wrote off 2020 long ago and just coasted on what they had.
If testing was still unlimited, Renault could experiment more and make greater gains. But those days are behind us. Difficult to make up so much ground on the fastest cars when regs stay more or less unchanged during those years. Plus, F1 is just bloody hard. That alone shouldn't be underestimated.
Alpine has looked really fucking promising and the driver line up looks consistent. It's also that top teams around them are getting better. Still think they're going to be in the hunt for 4th this season
Ricciardo played a HUGE role in how well they're doing, both from the cockpit and in his understanding of what the car is and is not doing, what it has and has not, in development. IF Alonso can continue with that, and IF the key players all set in place now stay, and of course, IF there is not interference from further up... Renault is partially owned by the Government of France, and that always means there's potential for powerful controlling interests to intercede and move things in another direction... either directly by stating they'd like Renault... and thus it's racing programes... to do X... or indirectly by changes in policy which State owned companies must align with.... well so long as the first two happen, and the latter does not, I feel Renault are well placed to continue their momentum. That said.... Zak Brown has shown he is capable to deliver on dragging McLaren out of the doldrums, they've made some key personnel signings in the last few seasons, including just earlier this year, and it seems to be paying off, and now they're getting Mercedes Benz engines for next season. Oh and of course they have signed Ricciardo.. one of the best, without question, on the grid, easily as good as Vettel, Verstappen, or even Hamilton on his day. THAT is a GARGANTUAN thorn that might get thrust in Renaults side right there. More, Lawrence Stroll is the kind of hero F1 needs. The guy has come in, with all he's earned in his career, and is dedicating himself to his passion now. Long before Lance was born, before he was a billionaire, before the F1 world knew him, he was a fanatic gear nut, a rev-head to his soul. I thought this was a rich guy buying baby boy a seat in to indulge his dreams, maybe live a little vicariously, when he first entered the scene, but I was wrong. The guy not only bought a team, he bought a MARQUE! He bought Aston Martin! He seems committed... he looks like he has a plan... and he never made his money by luck, so most of all it seems he's a guy who knows what he is doing. Already, we can SEE this at RP, and more, it has given his boy confidence, and passion, now he's found his equilibrium and we are seeing the results. Lance has done so well, he's been excellent. Now did they make a mistake letting Checo go? Maybe... but they're also signing Vettel... and mark my words, a sympathetic car he gets the feeling with, he can use, and happy Vettel out of the headspace he's in now... well that Vettel is still world class, still WDC material. Aston also get their Merc engines, they now have the personnel, they know how to make a car, and know how to run a team, and Lawrence Stroll seems to be anchor that can generate everything they need to continue THEIR push, and I would not be surprised if at all they do. If the Aston Martin's works team return to F1, is brilliant, and they actually manage to be four or five, and threaten the top three, in season one, and undo that black cloud of failure and humiliation that was their first entry in to the sport almost 60 years ago. Again, that is also a MASSIVE thorn in the side of Renault, potentially. Add to that, that the state of affairs at Ferrari is bad... BUT IS improving.... Le Clerc's races have shown me this is true.... even if slowly. However... they do not need to improve to perfection or fast... they just need to get even half what they lost back, and they're back top 3, or at least fighting for it with Aston Martin and McLaren..... Sainz is no #2 driver, and whilst that means there might be some headaches at the team next season.. it also means that he with Le Clerc, and an even 50% improved Ferrari are also going to be capable of being there. Renaults side could be mortally pieced by these massive thorns by now, because that's a third.... ...and it might well be that that IS what happens... their progress and plans are killed... or at least maimed.... by the thorns flung in to them by an in form Aston Martin, and a resurgent Ferrari, and WC contending McLaren. Though hopefully the stars align to keep them in the fight.
It depends on how much money you can put on the table. You can't have some illusions with a budget two or three times lower than the firsts teams. It the same thing with Mclaren or RP by the way.
One could only imagine what the Spa race would've been like if there was another 1-2 laps to go given how minimal Renault's tire wear was compared to that of its competitors.
I worked for Renault a couple years back and they had some training about the F1 team you could do and watching the 5 year breakdown was hilarious. They genuinely expected consistent 4th places and potentially podiums. Year 2 was suppose to be consistent podiums. Year 3 was suppose to be consistent wins and potentially a title challenge and year 4 & 5 was supposed to be a serious title challenge or defence. Oh how I laughed
You are a bit incorrect in how you count Renaults "5 year" time projection. 2016 to 2020 is only four years. 2021 is actually year No. 5 (ie: 2016 - 2017, 2017 - 2018, 2018 - 2019, 2019 - 2020 = 4 years on count only).
I dont think Renault have made any improvements in terms of their car before 2020. 2016 wasn't their chassis, it was basically the 2015 Lotus, so that doesn't count. The improvement from 2017 to 2018 was just because they got rid of Jolyoff Palmer. When they made a "step back" in 2019, that was just because McLaren were having a great year. At the start of 2020 it was the same story, their car was just as good as before, but Racing Point were now stronger as well. To me it seems that the Renault car has always been consistently decent over the years, but the outside factors make it look like an "upwards trajectory" or a "step back". Only this year i can finally see some genuine progress.
They were laughing and blaming Honda for being the slowest missing out on the truth that Honda was only restrained by Mclaren narratives. Then Honda powered RedBull, Toro Rosso/Alpha Tauri to multiple podiums locking out Renault. Only when Ferrari fell back did they get a rare but immediate opposrtunity for a podium.
There in the right direction but now Daniel leaving is just going to make a bit of a delay. Fernando is amazing but you gotta give him time to gel with this car....would be cool if it was Daniel and Fernando as a team!
Without Riccardo there's no guarantee that they would be higher than 6th in the constructor's championship. I can't wait to see what he can do at McLaren
Ultimately I think their biggest letdown was just not throwing enough money at the team. Had they done so they might've had faster development over those first few years and maybe been able to avoid the calamity of 2019. While 2020 is definitely turning around for them I'm still yet to be convinced by their commitment, unlike McLaren who have made fantastic strides over the last couple years having finally figured out their internal problems and I predict will make another jump up next year. With both teams now having proven race winners for next year it'll be a good battle I think if Renault don't balls it up.
Somebody please tell me how Renault 'instantly' became a tittle winning car with Fernando Alonso in 05-06? Then 07 when Fernando move, they could challenge the tittle, even after Fernando move back to Renault it seemed no hope. Is it all about investment in development? Or key person like designer or engineering? Or rule rule made em struggle in those years?
I reckon both Renault and McLaren development will stay where it is in 2021, 2022 will be a race of who understands and gets the set up right first which also gives Kid Strolls Racing Team a chance.
Well ,they surely have been improving a lot during the past 5 months but the car is not podium-capable yet. Let's not forget that if it wasn't for Bottas' retirement (and Albon massively underperforming) there would be no podium for Renault. Their pace is still not up to Mercedes' and Red Bull's. The car has yet to break through the top 3 due to raw performance. So I think they have at least 2-3 years ahead of them before they can compete for wins.
if they had pushed engine development they could keep Redbull and work better to push development of the car... if they had made the engine worked probably known that the engine was good so they can work better on the cars
The history of Alpine. Toleman 1981-1985 Benetton 1986-2001 Renault 2002-2011 Lotus 2012-2015 Renault 2016-2020 Alpine 2021-present. Renault was a constructor from 1977-1985.
It was sad to watch Renault mistakenly take credit for that 2013 Lotus/Genii Capital podium. In reality they hadn't achieved a podium in control of their own team since Alonso scored a single 3rd place during the 2009 season. Now it seems like they are backing away from the sport once again with the renaming of the team to Alpine. It is a good looking car this year with that new slimmer, Mercedes-ish nose.
In all sport improvement is easy when you're at the bottom. Just pluck the low hanging fruit, but as the gap closes towards the front runners every gain is harder and harder to achieve. Especially when the front runners themselves are improving. In essence you have to improve more than them. So unless they get really lucky in 2022 it's going to be very hard. The budget cap and the new regulations may make it easier.
Bold Prediction: in 2022, Renault(Alpine) along with Alonso and Gasly, will make a deep run into the championship fight, coming up just short to Red Bull in the final race at Abu Dhabi.
Isn't Renault and Red Bull Racing push for the Hybrid Power Unit era? It is a bit sad the technological race went bad. Road Relevance Technologies and Entertainment Racing mix hasn't played well during this era. Formula 1 should focus more on entertainment racing, and make it more European GP1 Series, if the want to minimize the carbon footprint of the logistics. It is just an idea.
A good driver really means a whole lot. Ricciardo just hit his stride and carries that Renault. Well see how Alonso can do that. He did it back in 03-05, but 08-09, 10-13, 14-17 were fails due to overpoliticasing
Cyril has grown. Doesn't matter what all the armchair experts say. The team looks way more solid now. He is the youngest team principal and has shown improvement.
All that Renault proved at the German G.P is that they're not much faster than a 2019 Mercedes, in fact if it wasn't Daniel driving I think Sainz would have been on the podium instead... Daniel and Max are very similar in the fact that they are both making their cars look better than they really are...
Glad that progress is being made s they deserve it and it's been a very long road and probably longer then they wanted it to be but hopefully with then rules for 2022shoukd get them back to winning as it's a clean sheet of paper for everyone
Why Renault’s 5 year plan failed: Cyril Abitboullshit Incompetence 😔🔥 In 2018, Red Bull was by far the best Renault engined car. Renault was only better than the 2018 Alonso-tainted McLaren. By 2019, Scuderia Toro Rosso-Honda almost beat Renault. It’s a shame too because Daniel Riccardo, Nico Hulkenberg, and Carlos Sainz really did do their best.
TLDR: There is only 1 Spot on the podium because Mercedes has a subscription and there is Max
Merc has a subscription but one of the delivery drivers got lost...
Much as I was incredibly happy about the podium for Ricciardo, I sadly doubt it would have happened without Bottas conking out
@@benlittle5436 or norris retiring
@@tafarid.7347 norris had no chance ricciardo had already pit and would be well ahead after lando stopped
@@tank9432 he wouldve caught back up
@@tafarid.7347 no chance. Look past your fangirling and be realistic. He's got a 15 sex deficit and Perez couldn't even close that down in a faster car than Norris
Renault underestimated how much F1 has changed from the last time they became title winners in just a few years in the 2000s
Everyone has underestimated their chances in the hybrid series. Mercedes had a head start before the new regulations started. The rest is history.
No. Enstone was degrated after Genii didn't invest in the infrastructure at all. They basically bought back the same means they sold to Genii but with 200 people less and 6 years old while stuff like CFD licenses weren't even renewed and the windtunnel got outdated to the extent that it was cheaper to basically rebuild it. It took time to rebuild the infrastructure (hundreds of people, new windtunnel, technical means (the latter was probably the easiest).
Internally, Renault struggled with the engine, because after the engine freeze, Briatore cut away a huge part of the development infrastructure. They had to rebuild that and for too long had to rely on the standard Magnetti Marelli version. Apparently they even brought in people from Nissan to get the development going.
1- taking few drivers who don't have technical knowledge
2-non reliable engine in the early years
3- bad chassis
But in 2020 everything seems to be in shape all the above issues are rectified and they deserve this podium
A gift from Mercedes.
Ocon has 3 mechanical DNF's though wile running in the points. Lost around 20 from that.
Their engines weren’t reliable or powerful enough
"non reliable engine in the early years'' there is still no reliable engine
Ocon is slower than Hulkenberg. With Hulkenberg, Renault would have been in 3rd with clear gap to 4th standings
That 5 year plan wasn’t so much a failure as it was just over ambitious. They learned a lot over those 5 years, and if they can keep the momentum, Alpine/Renault could be a formidable force especially in the upcoming era. They haven’t done THAT badly this year, given that they have 114 points to McLaren’s 116 and RP’s 120. They are well within striking distance of them. In 2019 Renault only scored 91 constructor points to McLaren’s 145. So, massive improvement in my book. Just not enough like RP’s.
Agree, although RP have a Mercedes engine and are running essentially the same design as Mercs 2019 car. Their performance this year has been a bit of a red herring.
@@cameron3203 you may be right, let’s see what they do when Merc invariably innovate drastically again, and RP can’t copy this time. I also don’t remember if the DAS system was legal or not, so I’m 50-50 on whether racing point adopts it as well or not
@@SrirajaPanich DAS is banned for next year. so that off the book for RP too
Yea but you have to remind than Ferrari is not in the top 3, so the midfield wil get more points than last year
@@cameron3203 RP is also on the decline, at the start of the season, they were second best constructors, ahead of even Red Bull, Max somehow pulled off good results though. But now they are falling behind while Renault is moving up.
Renault is on the right trajectory, it's just people being impatient. And Cyril gets so much undeserved hate.
The guy let Ricciardo and Hulkenberg go, that’s enough for fanboys to hate him. + he is French, which is enough to be hated by a lot of people according the youtube comment sections.
@@FoFoxhound hulkenberg yes but Riccardo chose to leave
@@crazymannxl One can argue that if your driver chose to leave, maybe it’s because you didn’t convince him to stay.
@@FoFoxhound that's because both renault and McLaren are improving so much it's all just a gamble on who improves more. I think with renault struggling last year that made Riccardo choose McLaren
He is disliked because he kept overpromising and got the job because he knew the good persons in the board. Fact is knowers would have preferred Vasseur at the helm.
Unpopular opinion: the RS 20 is one of the best looking cars of the 21st century
The rs 20 is most definitely the best looking car since 2010. Nothing else comes close to that design
@@Michael-lu2tz mp4-27 is also up there imo
Oh yeah🥰🥰
May be unpopular, but it's not wrong
You are right
Alonso is known to have the ability of adapting to different cars quickly and extracting every bit of performance out of it.
And he likes the rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrradio for the rrrrrrrrrrrrrace!
"-Alonso! How is the balance??? - I DON'T KNOW!!!!"
Remember? :) :)
@@devilzuser0050 ....AAAAAAASSSSHHHHOLE....REMEMBER!!.....Go play a video game there STAR!
Take a shot everytime you hear this statement
But he have a reputation that he can't help a team develop a car because his feedback is only this car is fast and this car is slow
Also for destroying the car with terrible development inputs that makes the car undriveable and then blames the team for doing what he asked. And being trashed by a rookie
Its not because Renaults failure, its because Mercs unbeliable succes. But Red Bull won 20 races with Same engine during the same period.
Red Bull engineers and designers aren't from this planet, they are absolutely insane
Had a bit of a chuckle when a RedBull advert started playing mid-way through the video.
Renault team radio 2021: "Esteban.... Fernando is faster than you"
Imagine if it's actually reverse...
Renault: "Fernando....Ocon is faster than you."
Alonso: "GP2...GP2...I'm the GP2...arghhhhhhh!!!!"
@@apophisstr6719 I do hope its this way
Gasly will probably join Renault in 2021. Has perfect sense for a French to join the team.
Inevitable
Esteban will be much faster than Alonso will ever be
That's because performance (Hülkenberg) is less important for Renault than nationality (Ocon)
This didnt age well lol
Well with Mercedes monopolising P1 and P2 for 7 seasons and Red Bull getting the rest of the podium, it's very hard to get to that podium regularly
you can go more meta and cut that down to the same question: why have everybody but mercedes struggled since the hybrid era began
Developing the engine since 2010
@@Willie_Pete_Was_Here yeah, but isn't that suspicious?
Nobody 'struggled', mercedes simply did better than others.
@@BigCat553 did years earlier, as a consequence they were better later, but they started off with an enormous advantage
@@PitestiNation it is, but this is f1 and you know how it works... it's usually favored that one team is light years ahead of anything else, and gets favored even more.
It's not like the car is particularly podium fit right now either. It took a lot of chaos to break the streak.
Idk, let's just hope Renault/Alpine continue the uptick and show further fighting fitness going forward.
Renault’s engine is generally believed to be the second best on the grid this year.
You could say the same for any other podium with the exception of Red Bull Mercedes.
Just like Lando’s podium was caused by a lot of chaos, right? Or will you not admit to that?
" A lot of chaos" Ricciardo was 4th and gain only one place after bottas DNF what are you talking about ? You want chaos, the 2 mclaren podiums were made only because of real chaos, same with Gasly. Ricciardo would have finished 4th with bottas still in the race. And in case you didn't know there's 3 dominant car/ Driver that occupies constantly the podium so yeah it's not a podium winning car but at least Top 4 .
@@athalos8868 Yeh, I can and I am. The only podium fit cars are Max, Lewis and Valteri's.
until 2020 they never had a good engine and until 2019 they didn’t 2 experienced drivers
But in 2018/2019 they had Hulkenberg, who apparently is the greatest driver who ever lived
In 2019 they had Hülkenberg and Ricciardo. Both are very experienced
In 2019 They had hulkenberg and ricciardo, there is a huge difference between 2019car and 2020 car
What rubbish. They had a race winning engine in a Red Bull. The car wasn't good enough and still isn't.
@@lonyo5377 Not to mention the really poor reliability Renault engines had prior to 2020
It seems clear that Renault are gradually improving, and whilst in some respects Fernando might seem to be a good decision, he is now 43 and he will just not be able to compete with the younger men in F1. A harsh reality but Michael Schumacher did the same thing. Fernando will end up being frustrated and angry when he doesn't get the results. I don't know how good he is technically at helping the development of the car, but the video is suggesting that its all about the aerodynamics, and I can't see that Fernando can help with that.
I do like the yellow and black though
43, aha
Renault is an underrated team this year, honestly, people keep giving shit to them but they actually have a good engine and package this year.
Its still unreliable. Been a lot of dnf's from Renault and McLaren
@The Archangel They arent even close lol.
@The Archangel How many from power unit failures? You seem to be getting the context of the conversation confused.
@@scottmcqueen3964 two of the mclaren dnf's were due to hydrolic problems.
Not related to this video, but do you guys have any plans for a channel/content that doesn't cover F1? MotoGP and WRC have been amazing this year but don't get much coverage like this. Your F1 content is top notch and I'm sure a lot of us would love a bit of coverage for other top tier motorsports
Don't forget WEC
yeah motogp this year has been miles better than f1. shame it doesnt get such content on youtube
wait, they finally in 2020 get a car on the podium - showing championship potential, and that was their goal... So how is it a failure?
In the 5 year plan, they wanted to be fighting Merc/RB/Ferrari for the championship. They should be fighting with the big three for wins, not the best of the rest. While there is progress, it is still technically a failure
They may be helped by Honda's withdrawal, will have to wait and see how that impacts RB in 2022. However McLaren will get the MB engine so can see further improvement from them. And from left field, a rejuvenated SV in an Aston Martin?
Honda's departure is irrelevant; everything is relative to Mercedes
@@nessuno5403 That still leaves a chance for Alpine to be a top three team, no RB so second/third/fourth between AM, McLaren and Alpine?
@@chromiumphotography5138 true, but the context of this video was meeting their ex 3 year and now 5+ year plan to be champions again. So even finishing 2nd will be a failure.
On an interesting note, Mclaren switching engines during this development freeze phase might actually backfire for them, because they essentially need to sacrifice some of their development tokens just to intergrate the new engine into their chasis. Renault might end up having a way better car because they have a token advantage over Mclaren.
why do people see a success with the Merc engine when no team with that engine actually performs at the front?? why should it be the cas for McLaren?? people are so dumb it's actually driving me furious. i will laugh when McLaren will under perform with that engine. look at RP and Williams!! FFS that engine is not the ultimate solution by itself. freakin dead brains. aero package is 1000 times more important than the engine.
The hybrid era will go down in history as the most lopsided ever. I really think if something isn’t done to curb the Mercedes dominance the sport will suffer long term
Why bash Mercedes for being better than everyone else? Even with a cost cap, Mercedes have proven they are adaptable and can provide a championship winning car. Everyone else _should_ be able to do the same.
It’s disappointing from Ferrari and Redbull and McLaren that they can’t do the same. And they had YEARS to develop a competitive car, no excuses anymore.
they are on the right track but will have McLaren with a Merc engine to contend with...I hope Fernando is up to racing at the top level still otherwise he could cause problems...I think he will be but who knows...
I'm always excited when new video from The Race shows up! Thanks for the upload! 😉
I think their main issue is that they never signed a "top driver" that could develop the team.
Until Daniel Ricciardo was signed their most experienced driver was Nico Hulkenberg... I know he is very unlucky but he never drove for a top team.
Let's see what happens with Alonso next year
@@lzh4950 he has the experience :)😄
That 2016 launch livery looked so good
Too dark 4me
@@wojtek1597 racist
@@nessuno5403 ?
@@nessuno5403 what? Are you serious?
@@joe4916 soften up princess, it's a joke to trigger people 😂
Great video Edd Straw! Keep 'em coming! :)
There's a reason why we "accidentally" call him Cyril Irritable 🤣🤣
The editing on this video on this point and Ed's narrative doesn't need any introduction. Glad I subscribed 👍.
More videos like this on all the teams please. Super informative especially if you haven't been paying close attention to the last few years.
I think when your initial driver lineup consists of Jolyn Palmer and K Mag itl take you a few years to play catch up
They were both good drivers with bad cars
Both were considered promising drivers at that time
I think their mistake was not signing a "top" driver from the very beginning. This might've been hard, but that should've been their goal for year 2.
Alpine will be 1 of 2 works teams on the grid with a strong power unit in ‘22. It’s their chance to move past RB and challenge at the front. With Alonso I expect an Alpine win in ‘22.
Dreaming! 😂😂😂
@@AndrewBlucher Well, 1 of us is😉. Time will tell which of us...
I expect Ferrari to have put together a decent, legal engine by then
@@Septimus_ii We’re all hoping you’re right
Your Alpine livery at 9:54 is magnificent. I hope for a similar shade and design in reality.
Edd, you sound exactly like Fred Mills from The B1M.
I think that changing driver each year is not good if you want to develop a good car.
Unless you find a driver who really knows what he is talking about en gives decent feedback to the engineers
@@AlainBaudrez Daniel
It took a while, but this time around the Renault master
🅱️lan ™ worked.
Great detailed insights well done THE RACE team ! if i can add to your analytics, you may just have missed a key one : The whole trouble for Renault actually started with good old Flavio Briatore selling the whole bunch of Renault infras (wing tunnel, all aero facilities) 2012 if i am not wrong - just right before they have chosen to come back for good, and of course before the 2014 new aero sensitive package. Got that from a Cyril Abiteboul insider interview in 2019 plus Martin Brundle. So they play litterally catch up, a conscious one to "REBUILD" development capacity & capabilities with high investment since 2016. Long road and the keyword is, how to catch up before 2022. They already caught up very well. One has to appreciate the methodic and discipline of Cyril Abiteboul, who says what he does and does what he says, since 2016.
Great content guys, keep it up 👍
Running an F1 team is like throwing money into a bottomless pit, anyone crazy enough to finance an F1 team must realise that bringing a team up to a race winning outfit, let alone a championship winning team, isn’t a sprint race, it’s a marathon race and no amount of money can change that, even the best drivers in F1 can’t make a poor car into a winning car. The cap on budgets that has/is been brought in should, in theory, narrow the gap between the biggest budget teams and the working on a shoestring budget ones, let’s, or at least in my opinion, hope that it does.
Thanks for another great episode, very interesting and informative. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴
Getting that car to work on all circuits ahead of the 2021 season will put them in a good place to go forward. At this point its all about maximizing that car's performance through each successive upgrade package. No longer do they need to worry about equalization, now they just need to build.
why are the new F1 tires so shiny when they are first put on? they didn't used to be like that
From 2019 onwards Pirelli has used a different mould to make the tires. That is why they look shiny when they are new.
@@davegielen3806 I see. thanks
Yes they did
You have really good videos
Renault should get more credit than they get. They persist, while others such as Honda and Toyota throw in the towel. Their engine gave Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel loads of victories. They also attract top rated drivers to their genuine works team. They deserve success.
Great video, guys.
Alonso's ability to develop a car is underrated, if Renault-Alpine give Alonso the time to develop it, the car can be closer to the front.
I was fully expecting 2020 was going to be "well, it's 2020... and now 2021 as well".
I honestly wrote the season off after they cancelled in Australia and I've not had a reason to really tune into this year. Maybe things will be back to status quo in winter testing but who knows. Next year is going to be an exciting one (excluding racing), that's for sure.
i think they can get there if they concept of their cars are right from the launch. they show they can develop the car at a very good rate. if they have the wrong concept or take a wrong direction, then i think they won't be able to recover quick enough to continue the trend of moving closer. they had a world class driver in the hulk, which they probably didn't realise till now.
They were on the right path from mid 2017 through 2018, they just took a massive step backwards in 2019 that they haven’t yet recovered from.
It's over 1000 bph!
700hp ICE + 160hp Mguk+50hp Mguh+ 90hp savoir vivre
Renault deserves to be higher!
They brought many innovations to F1, like the V10 and active suspension.
Added bonus : it would add race thrill to challenge Mercedes, Red Bull, and Ferrari (hopefully - they should rank on a better place too!)
Neither of those things are Renault innovations...
Lotus was first to bring active suspension, but not very well, and then Williams did it better about 10 years later.
Honda and Renault both brought V10s to F1 in 1989, hardly an innovation.
Renault's F1 innovations include turbocharging, pneumatic valve springs and tuned mass dampers.
@@karashibass alright alright! But V10s became successful only through Renault, not Honda!
Honda went to V12 engine in the early 90's and remains the only V12 engine to win a championship. Honda's V10 was more powerful than Renaults V10 in the 2000's before they switched to V8's.
Renault seem to always get ahead of themselves after a good result . just need to keep quiet and do the talking on track tbh, all midfield teams have a podium now so it’s not like they are a stand out team this year.
yes it failed. But the regulation-change that is coming 2022 was first scheduled for 2020. I'm bot saying they would fight for the championship by now if there was the change in regulations, but it could be very different.
The fact that Hulk doesn’t have a seat and that hack Ocon does is also part of the problem
Short term IMHO, RP/Aston / McLaren / Ferrari should all be expected to make big surges forward again at some point and jump back ahead. Some/all of them wrote off 2020 long ago and just coasted on what they had.
Nice one Ed!!!
If testing was still unlimited, Renault could experiment more and make greater gains. But those days are behind us. Difficult to make up so much ground on the fastest cars when regs stay more or less unchanged during those years. Plus, F1 is just bloody hard. That alone shouldn't be underestimated.
Alonso/Gasly in Alpine for 2021!
This aged
@@imibuks-replit it did. Arguably would have been a bettee outcome for alpine
Alpine has looked really fucking promising and the driver line up looks consistent. It's also that top teams around them are getting better. Still think they're going to be in the hunt for 4th this season
Renault is the living proof how hard it has become for new teams to join the sport. Hopefully this will change in 2022.
Ricciardo played a HUGE role in how well they're doing, both from the cockpit and in his understanding of what the car is and is not doing, what it has and has not, in development.
IF Alonso can continue with that, and IF the key players all set in place now stay, and of course, IF there is not interference from further up... Renault is partially owned by the Government of France, and that always means there's potential for powerful controlling interests to intercede and move things in another direction... either directly by stating they'd like Renault... and thus it's racing programes... to do X... or indirectly by changes in policy which State owned companies must align with.... well so long as the first two happen, and the latter does not, I feel Renault are well placed to continue their momentum.
That said.... Zak Brown has shown he is capable to deliver on dragging McLaren out of the doldrums, they've made some key personnel signings in the last few seasons, including just earlier this year, and it seems to be paying off, and now they're getting Mercedes Benz engines for next season. Oh and of course they have signed Ricciardo.. one of the best, without question, on the grid, easily as good as Vettel, Verstappen, or even Hamilton on his day.
THAT is a GARGANTUAN thorn that might get thrust in Renaults side right there.
More, Lawrence Stroll is the kind of hero F1 needs. The guy has come in, with all he's earned in his career, and is dedicating himself to his passion now. Long before Lance was born, before he was a billionaire, before the F1 world knew him, he was a fanatic gear nut, a rev-head to his soul. I thought this was a rich guy buying baby boy a seat in to indulge his dreams, maybe live a little vicariously, when he first entered the scene, but I was wrong.
The guy not only bought a team, he bought a MARQUE! He bought Aston Martin! He seems committed... he looks like he has a plan... and he never made his money by luck, so most of all it seems he's a guy who knows what he is doing. Already, we can SEE this at RP, and more, it has given his boy confidence, and passion, now he's found his equilibrium and we are seeing the results. Lance has done so well, he's been excellent. Now did they make a mistake letting Checo go? Maybe... but they're also signing Vettel... and mark my words, a sympathetic car he gets the feeling with, he can use, and happy Vettel out of the headspace he's in now... well that Vettel is still world class, still WDC material.
Aston also get their Merc engines, they now have the personnel, they know how to make a car, and know how to run a team, and Lawrence Stroll seems to be anchor that can generate everything they need to continue THEIR push, and I would not be surprised if at all they do. If the Aston Martin's works team return to F1, is brilliant, and they actually manage to be four or five, and threaten the top three, in season one, and undo that black cloud of failure and humiliation that was their first entry in to the sport almost 60 years ago.
Again, that is also a MASSIVE thorn in the side of Renault, potentially.
Add to that, that the state of affairs at Ferrari is bad... BUT IS improving.... Le Clerc's races have shown me this is true.... even if slowly. However... they do not need to improve to perfection or fast... they just need to get even half what they lost back, and they're back top 3, or at least fighting for it with Aston Martin and McLaren..... Sainz is no #2 driver, and whilst that means there might be some headaches at the team next season.. it also means that he with Le Clerc, and an even 50% improved Ferrari are also going to be capable of being there.
Renaults side could be mortally pieced by these massive thorns by now, because that's a third....
...and it might well be that that IS what happens... their progress and plans are killed... or at least maimed.... by the thorns flung in to them by an in form Aston Martin, and a resurgent Ferrari, and WC contending McLaren.
Though hopefully the stars align to keep them in the fight.
It depends on how much money you can put on the table. You can't have some illusions with a budget two or three times lower than the firsts teams. It the same thing with Mclaren or RP by the way.
no technical shake up since 2016 meaning they have been playing catch up built from a team struggling with finances since... renault left them. Oh.
One could only imagine what the Spa race would've been like if there was another 1-2 laps to go given how minimal Renault's tire wear was compared to that of its competitors.
i think the major problem of renault was not being able to keep the same drivers line up for 2 seasons
I worked for Renault a couple years back and they had some training about the F1 team you could do and watching the 5 year breakdown was hilarious. They genuinely expected consistent 4th places and potentially podiums. Year 2 was suppose to be consistent podiums. Year 3 was suppose to be consistent wins and potentially a title challenge and year 4 & 5 was supposed to be a serious title challenge or defence. Oh how I laughed
You are a bit incorrect in how you count Renaults "5 year" time projection. 2016 to 2020 is only four years. 2021 is actually year No. 5 (ie: 2016 - 2017, 2017 - 2018, 2018 - 2019, 2019 - 2020 = 4 years on count only).
I dont think Renault have made any improvements in terms of their car before 2020.
2016 wasn't their chassis, it was basically the 2015 Lotus, so that doesn't count.
The improvement from 2017 to 2018 was just because they got rid of Jolyoff Palmer.
When they made a "step back" in 2019, that was just because McLaren were having a great year.
At the start of 2020 it was the same story, their car was just as good as before, but Racing Point were now stronger as well.
To me it seems that the Renault car has always been consistently decent over the years, but the outside factors make it look like an "upwards trajectory" or a "step back".
Only this year i can finally see some genuine progress.
Like all 4 year plans, they always fail. Go with a 4 year plan. They work, as long as you dont pay the mefo bills.
Renault does not have Adrian Newey in the Team.
Organisational structure and operational culture.
I'll miss the Yellow/Black. I'm a fan of Renault, and am interested to see how they continue!
They were laughing and blaming Honda for being the slowest missing out on the truth that Honda was only restrained by Mclaren narratives.
Then Honda powered RedBull, Toro Rosso/Alpha Tauri to multiple podiums locking out Renault.
Only when Ferrari fell back did they get a rare but immediate opposrtunity for a podium.
There in the right direction but now Daniel leaving is just going to make a bit of a delay. Fernando is amazing but you gotta give him time to gel with this car....would be cool if it was Daniel and Fernando as a team!
If you keep tossing feces at the wall, eventually one would stick. Hats off to Renault for their persistence. Yet their car is still not top3 worthy.
They might get 3rd in constructors though.
Mukul Singh I think he means top 3 as in drivers, so it’s not worthy of beating Lewis, Valtteri and Max
@@HK-fj1si hence the word "though"
Mukul Singh Ahhh I’m with you now
Without Riccardo there's no guarantee that they would be higher than 6th in the constructor's championship. I can't wait to see what he can do at McLaren
If Daniel's view of the situation has any merit, today's Renault is the best F1 car they will ever make.
Ultimately I think their biggest letdown was just not throwing enough money at the team. Had they done so they might've had faster development over those first few years and maybe been able to avoid the calamity of 2019. While 2020 is definitely turning around for them I'm still yet to be convinced by their commitment, unlike McLaren who have made fantastic strides over the last couple years having finally figured out their internal problems and I predict will make another jump up next year. With both teams now having proven race winners for next year it'll be a good battle I think if Renault don't balls it up.
RS16 still one of the best looking cars on the grid in my opinion. Bright goldish yellow is the way to go.
Glad they're finding success
Somebody please tell me how Renault 'instantly' became a tittle winning car with Fernando Alonso in 05-06? Then 07 when Fernando move, they could challenge the tittle, even after Fernando move back to Renault it seemed no hope. Is it all about investment in development? Or key person like designer or engineering? Or rule rule made em struggle in those years?
I reckon both Renault and McLaren development will stay where it is in 2021, 2022 will be a race of who understands and gets the set up right first which also gives Kid Strolls Racing Team a chance.
Well ,they surely have been improving a lot during the past 5 months but the car is not podium-capable yet. Let's not forget that if it wasn't for Bottas' retirement (and Albon massively underperforming) there would be no podium for Renault. Their pace is still not up to Mercedes' and Red Bull's. The car has yet to break through the top 3 due to raw performance. So I think they have at least 2-3 years ahead of them before they can compete for wins.
if they had pushed engine development they could keep Redbull and work better to push development of the car...
if they had made the engine worked probably known that the engine was good so they can work better on the cars
The history of Alpine. Toleman 1981-1985 Benetton 1986-2001 Renault 2002-2011 Lotus 2012-2015 Renault 2016-2020 Alpine 2021-present. Renault was a constructor from 1977-1985.
It was sad to watch Renault mistakenly take credit for that 2013 Lotus/Genii Capital podium. In reality they hadn't achieved a podium in control of their own team since Alonso scored a single 3rd place during the 2009 season. Now it seems like they are backing away from the sport once again with the renaming of the team to Alpine. It is a good looking car this year with that new slimmer, Mercedes-ish nose.
FA- 2022 World Champion. (New car regs)- take it to the bank
And now a second podium in Imola :D Go Renault
Best looking car in f1
In all sport improvement is easy when you're at the bottom. Just pluck the low hanging fruit, but as the gap closes towards the front runners every gain is harder and harder to achieve. Especially when the front runners themselves are improving. In essence you have to improve more than them. So unless they get really lucky in 2022 it's going to be very hard. The budget cap and the new regulations may make it easier.
Bold Prediction: in 2022, Renault(Alpine) along with Alonso and Gasly, will make a deep run into the championship fight, coming up just short to Red Bull in the final race at Abu Dhabi.
Isn't Renault and Red Bull Racing push for the Hybrid Power Unit era? It is a bit sad the technological race went bad. Road Relevance Technologies and Entertainment Racing mix hasn't played well during this era. Formula 1 should focus more on entertainment racing, and make it more European GP1 Series, if the want to minimize the carbon footprint of the logistics. It is just an idea.
A good driver really means a whole lot. Ricciardo just hit his stride and carries that Renault. Well see how Alonso can do that. He did it back in 03-05, but 08-09, 10-13, 14-17 were fails due to overpoliticasing
You just have to compare budget. That’s all. You cannot be N0 1 spending half of the leader.
Cyril has grown. Doesn't matter what all the armchair experts say. The team looks way more solid now. He is the youngest team principal and has shown improvement.
Thanks Edd
thanks Ed.
All that Renault proved at the German G.P is that they're not much faster than a 2019 Mercedes, in fact if it wasn't Daniel driving I think Sainz would have been on the podium instead... Daniel and Max are very similar in the fact that they are both making their cars look better than they really are...
Getting on the podium is hard and they are the 3rd - 6th best team...
Glad that progress is being made s they deserve it and it's been a very long road and probably longer then they wanted it to be but hopefully with then rules for 2022shoukd get them back to winning as it's a clean sheet of paper for everyone
Why Renault’s 5 year plan failed: Cyril Abitboullshit Incompetence 😔🔥
In 2018, Red Bull was by far the best Renault engined car. Renault was only better than the 2018 Alonso-tainted McLaren. By 2019, Scuderia Toro Rosso-Honda almost beat Renault.
It’s a shame too because Daniel Riccardo, Nico Hulkenberg, and Carlos Sainz really did do their best.
If they keep improving I really hope to see Alonso battle at the top