Why Renault's F1 team is so badly broken
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Renault is scrambling to save its faltering Alpine Formula 1 project as drastic action has plunged the team into short-term chaos.
Almost every senior leader at the F1 team seems to have been sacked, moved aside or pushed into leaving over the past two weeks.
First a brand new position for a new F1 project leader was announced, then the CEO that person reports to was replaced, and in a dramatic Belgian Grand Prix weekend the team boss and long-serving sporting director were axed - just as we learned the chief technical officer is switching to a rival team.
It’s the most extreme F1 team overhaul we can remember for a very long time. So what on Earth is going on?
00:00 Massive overhaul
00:42 What's going on??
04:38 Flaws exposed
08:08 Is there really a plan?
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Prost is accurate. Chaotic leadership and strategy, egos, unrealistic expectations, drivers taking each other out. They are a total joke.
Prost was always right
Because Prost didn't have squabbles with Senna, taking each other out 😂😂
He knows it, all too well indeed 😂😂
To be fair, it wasn't either drivers' fault each time they came together.
@@snivels Senna admitted he deliberately took ot Prost in the title deciding race in 1990. The one in 1989 is debateable and still causes discussion even to this day.
@lunalucifer3335 Prost also ran his own team into the ground in 5 years and his most successful season was with the 97 car be bought from someone else
I've heard that the FIA doesn't like all this team turmoil and plans to give Ocon a 5 second time penalty in retaliation 😔
deserved
Only 5? I've heard it was... a lot more😱
Yes he's gonna be out of a drive because the French team Frenched themselves out of existence 🤮🤮
I heard he served it wrong, so he got an additional +5 sec penalty😂
I don't know all the rules. Would anyone mind explaining the penalty. If the team is at the races, why penalize a team for internal changes?
And people say Ferrari is a mess. This team takes the cake, no question.
if mclaren hadn't mad the jump this yr i would say mclaren is also a mess
You can't say that about Ferrari just yet!
They'll come back next year!!!!!
@@groundedgaming haven't they saying like tht from 2008?
For renault, this is merely a marketing effort for them. They don't really care and would sell the team if offered enough money because their lively hood is selling road cars.
For Ferrari, racing is everything. They sell road cars just to race, so when they fail in F1 it hits even harder for such a prestigious team compared to Renault/Alpine
@@vrajpatel2763 How's McLaren a mess?
Szafnauer said in a Sky Germany interview: "You can't get 9 women pregnant and expect to be a father in one month."
It sums up how Rossi thinks F1 works and after all Prost said pretty much the same. Rossi is the problem and it's getting more obvious day by day.
And now rossi is out, and they got 3rd and 8th in a weekend, big gains
Typical senior management, it must be done to their expectations because they say so, even when they understand nothing about the issues. It's the same in every business around the world.
@@anarramazanov618 yeah, i know, it is still impressive
Fantastic words from Szafnauer! 😅✌️ But agreed, Rossi is nothing more than a wedding cake figure, that has exceptional capabilities in being arrogant, unpleasant, and stupidly unrealistic. The words in Miami about calling the whole team amateurs was like the worst team management I’ve seen in F1 for many many years. And that says a lot when thinking about Ferrari battling for that trophy. 🏆💥💥
@@anarramazanov618 exactly! That’s also why I think they are seriously considering selling the team to Andretti with all of this chaotic drama this season. Also remember Ryan is a new stock owner, and also has a say for the future. Because the “100 race winner” strategy just went from very very unlikely to absolutely 100% impossible! And they won’t be adjusting down expectations and be sitting in the back of the championship as a fool.
If I was Michael Andretti, I'd be ringing up Renault to ask them if they fancy selling the team
Andretti doesn't have 1.5 Billion dollars
@@KuchingKingVideoGamer He could if GM is still backing them under the Cadillac name.
@@KuchingKingVideoGamer Redbird capital already own 20% so Andretti only need 50% for majority ownership and leave about 30% with Renault who can continue to supply engines. GM would be more than willing to stump up the cash in order to push Cadillac as a global brand.
@@KuchingKingVideoGamer Andretti are backed by Guggenheim Partners who have an AUM of $300 billion. Their CEO was involved with the purchase of LA Dodgers and Chelsea so I don't think money should be a major stumbling block if they really want it.
@@ciaranobyrne087 You can say that again. They literally went and spent half a billion on transfers at Chelsea last season. Shame most of it was on utter dross players.
Suddenly Ricardo, Alonso and Piastry leaving doesnt seem so strange. Alpine's (Renault) issue is they are the same as Ferrari. 'We are right and everyone else is wrong" very Toxic environment.
Bingo. Right on the money.
Typical French arrogance honestly
@@MickLMZR French/Italian*
imagine if piastri refused mclaren's offer, how his talents would've otherwise been wasted
Mark Webber would never have let that happen😂😂
I think Webber knew from his red bull years how does a management structure of a team going upwards look like and he saw that Renault/Alpine had nothing of the sort in place and then he saw Rossi coming and he just knew this is a shitshow and acted
@@PiotrekSzostakWebber drove for jaguar, 2005 William, and Red Bull's first domination era, so he know which one is going upward and which one is a mess
mclaren was the only choise piastri had, alpine didn't want him in the alpine, they wanted him in the williams on loan.
Off course it's easy to say now but at the beginig of the season mclaren was figting with alphataurie and haas so...
I can only imagine how happy Piastri and Alonso are to have dodged this disastrous team.
Alonso might have retired / quit
@@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle Are you watching F1 in 2023?
They're smiling rn 😂
And Danny Ric!
@@camf7522I'm pretty sure he would've been better off at alpine than being red bull's 4th driver lmao
Bring back Cyril, he held that team together better than anyone else could.
He's kinda busy in WRC.
Team Enstone clownshow continues.
Couldn't keep Ricciardo somehow.
Cyril is the reason they got into this situation in the first place. Renault/Lotus was a race/championship winning outfit until he joined. If you want to bring back anyone it would be Briatore, wouldn't even be surprised if they did that, but I hear rumours they want to hire Sbinotto.
I'm sure he's happier in WRC. He'll probably get sacked by the new management at some point before they get sacked themselves.
Who thought this time last year, that Alonso and Piastri would make such a wise move?
They could see the rot
Yeah, for once Alonso’s gamble in moving to a different team paid off!
Me. I never thought Alpine is a great team.
I did for Alonso but for Piastri I wasn't so sure. McLaren is wildly inconsistent as well but for Aston I could see them progressing when everyone was bashing Alonso for making yet another bad move. That team has made miracles with a shoestring budget many times before and now they have hunted good staff from Merc and Red Bull. Each of the midfield teams make big promises but Aston has the strategy to back it up and I can still see them being stronger than Mclaren or Alpine for the next few years despite the recent step from Mclaren. Honda joining Aston was a sign that they are growing from a puny underdog to a proper works team.
We'll have to wait a few seasons, it can still all go wrong for them. Especially for Alonso, he's not known for helping develop cars and usually when performance drops he loves to put himself in a corner, pointing fingers, like he's not part of the structure he's blaming.
Piastri is young and McLaren even on their worse years do have more stability then Renault/Alpine.
And btw, both dodge a bullet more then they made "smart moves". Both Piastri and Alonso confirmed the reason they moved out is because they did not receive in time a contract deal from Alpine. So when both saw the opportunity, they took it. And both were no brainers, Alonso might have been out of F1 and Piastri just a third driver.
It's clear that Renault is not serious about their F1 project. It would be better for the sport if they just sold the team, bringing new energy to Ennstone.
@@alpharaciingyep, Renault have stated that they’d provide the PU if Andretti joined. Might be the way to go and have them as a works team
So many of the teams would be better off just being contract operations with the manufacturer being the supplier, especially Ferrari and Renault/Alpine.
unfortunatly the ennstone team can only be owned by Renault or Lotus, so expect a return of lotus on the grid soon
Porsche would be happy to get that chance
I think they are very serious about it (it costs too much money to not be serious about it), they just don't know what the hell they are doing.
Pat Fry leaving Alpine for Williams is not suprising. If you listen to the f1 podcast where James Vowles was a guest, you can understand why Williams is becoming a desirable place to work. Their aim is to find long term big performance gains instead of near sighted quick band-aids and are willing to sacrifice one or two seasons for that. You need to give time, trust and stability for the engineers to let them do their work instead of expecting from them to turn water into wine in couple of months. Something that Alpine's management doesn't seem to understand.
And we thought Ocon and Gasly as team-mates was going to be the problem.
They are actually quite friendly towards each other
Exactly the opposite. The drivers are not in question, it is the management and technical team.
As great a driver as Alonso is, even the best ones will never be able to overcome an incompetent and overbearing management that has no idea what they are doing (See: Ferrari). As very much pointed out in this video, Both Mercedes and Red Bull have been the two most dominant teams because the people who know what they are doing have been allowed to do what they are doing with Minimal to no corporate interference (A model ironically first displayed at Ferrari). In contrast, Ferrari's current management (Without a guy like Montezemelo to shield the guys from corporate) is exactly why they just aren't gonna win an championship. Its why Jaguar (Ironically, labelled at the time as "Britain's Ferrari") went horribly and why Toyota also did poorly in F1. What we are seeing at Alpine is yet another example of that. Arrogance and ignorance will always hold you back irrespective of how big your pockets are.
Just like we thought De Vries will be a threat to yuki because of his experience.
I feel sorry for Enstone. That factory has proven they are competent during their stints as Benneton, Renault (2002 era) and Lotus (2012-13).
Lotus had issues also...i think since the crash gate incident everything went downhill... Lotus had a great car though during 2012-13 but bad driver management
Benetton competent? Understatement. They were dominant with Schumacher in the early 90s. Not the best car, but good enough with the great Schumacher.
@@mrbungle3310Well if you hire a guy who could have chosen Williams or Red Bull and make a contract that awards you 50k€ / point and then refuse to pay his salary cause he is doing too good, it isn't the drivers and driver managements issue. It's an issue of the accounting and investors.
Remember why Kimi didn't drive in the last two races and crashed in his last one? Cause the team owed and still does over 10 million.. When "Anal Spermane" shouted to Kimi I kinda started hating him more, but have to say that he has been there from the beginning. And wish all the best for you Alan!
@@davedewsnap288And option 13. But Schumi is still the Goat
Kinda sad when you realize Renault’s peak was when it was ran by a guy who would create Crashgate
True. However in 2008, it was already clear that Briatore was no longer the team principal he was when he enjoyed his prime years with Schumacher in 94 & 95 and Alonso in 05 & 06.
@@CJGZW1993Given not even two years had passed between the Alonso 06 title and that Singapore race, that's quite the quick downfall
@@chlcrk Well, Alonso left Renault after 2006 which made Fisichella their first driver in 2007. Fisichella was totally not able to replicate the performance of his old teammate, and rookie Kovalainen did dissapoint as well (despite finishing p2 in Japan). The team also switched from Michelin to Bridgestone tyres which also negatively impacted their performance that season. So the 2007 season basically was the first nail in the coffin for Briatore's Renault regime, and the outcome of Crashgate in 2009 doomed him once and for all.
@@KillZoneHart1 what are you on about, ai has nothing to do with f1 unless you're completely clueless.
@@KillZoneHart1 Back then, F1 was much more expensive than it is today. In the mid-2000s, the big manufacturers like Ferrrari had a budget of 4-500 million every year.
Then they had an endless supply of engines and tyres back then. All that cost a lot of money.
Imagine getting rid off Peter Machin (which was the number 2 guy in RB's aero department) to get Dirk de Beer who's been in charge of William's aero during 2017-2018 (their worst years), Ferrari between 2013 and 2016 and Renault between 2008 and 2011, so arguably during these 3 teams' worst years of the century. Renault/Alpine's corporate management is a joke.
What they need is an actual strong leader, more independence and newer facilities (which will come online soon). Firing Otmar won't change anything in the short term.
100000% agree. de Beer's appointment was always super weird and poor, literally came to Renault after designing a decent 2017 car (but zero development thru the season)...but the absolute garbage 2018 Williams is unreal. Renault shot themselves in the foot then
@@cajktina True, and let's not forget that the 2017 car was more of an evolution of the 2016 model, so he's only been responsible of its mid season development + 2018, not a good look imo
It makes absolutely no sense. Seems more they are trying to cut expenses where they think they can put cheaper alternatives. It's the only reason that comes to mind (except friendship favors or something).
Same for Otmar. It's easy to send him out, because he's a big name, so as a CEO you look like you are making "big changes", but I think it's just to cut the expense of a big salary and put someone from inside the structure that accepts the role for half the pay.
@@notliquid1448 de Beer only had a couple decent years in that period you mentioned 2008 the R28 came alive in the second half of the season and R30 wasn't bad either especially in Kubica's hands but other than that I agree with what you say
The fact this was the straw that broke Permane's back is telling. The guy has been with Enstone through thick and thin... must be dire
This is what I thought as well. How bad of a job he could be doing as a sporting director anyway . Menkies even got promoted to team principal 😂
Unfortunate situation for Gasly and Ocon. Both drivers deserve a solid team with a clear strategy for car improvement.
Alonso and Piastri getting out before the team imploded was the best move of their careers
Szafnauer should go to Haas. Otmar is really good at extracting performance out of a small budget. Alpine was way too micromanaged
This is a great move
After what he did to Alonso I doubt he'll do well anywhere.
@@EscapismPinball
Alonso isn’t the be all end all, nor is his record as a team player particularly good at all
Otmar had a great run with Force India for years, you’re gonna completely write him off based on Alpine being a mess?
@@Duval-In-The-Wall I can't figure out what show you've been watching. Alonso will be remembered as one of the greatest. Otmar will fade into obscurity where he belongs.
I think Otmar would be a great replacement for Steiner. He's done nothing amazing. Let him start a Netflix special and put a professional in that role...
Classic. The boss that has no idea has unrealistic expectations towards experienced wmployees and decides to fire everyone.
You’d think that this wouldn’t happen in an top world tier competition but alas…..
@@sephiros9883 classic situation, where someone convinces equally clueless chairpeople that he's the right man for the job, just because it seems like it. In the sport where expertise is the most important you can't hire typical "boss guy" CEOs
"Why aren't we winning? I specifically requested it"
@@nvcnc Toyota and Jaguar be like
Renault as a works team has been in the sports since 2016, you'd expect the top Bosses to want your team to be top contenders by now it's been to long , I think its Renault best interest to sack those who have failed.
It really shows why Ricciardo, Alonso and Piastri were so ready to leave
TBH - apart from when Flav was in charge - almost every Renault race team has been a complete clusterf**k. Look at how they treated Prost in the early 80s
Whenever Renault underperform I always think of horners statements on DTS saying that Renault engines were like paying for first class and getting economy
Still it granted them 4 championships.
@@soundscape26 it was said more about the v6 turbo hybrids but even in the v8 Renault was behind Mercedes and Ferrari engines
@@soundscape26 the aero got them 4 championships? The engine was weak
@@russell6075 I should have written partnered with them rather than granted because my point was more Horner dissing a previous partner in a pre-hybrid successful era for the team.
@@soundscape26 That was a very different era of F1. Renault is really good at building naturally aspirated engines; as should be expected from an automotive company of Renault's size. Case and Point the V10s and V8s with which the likes of Benneton, Williams, Red Bull and even their own works team won championships. Just don't ask them to build anything more complex then that. Their current Turbocharged V6 hybrid engine says it all. Also Renault may the manufacture that ushered in the turbo era in the 80s, but they were also one of the few teams that never got it to work properly.
Unfortunately ... you are correct.
A "decisive" decision turns into a "hasty" decision if you don't have a plan. And they don't seem to have a plan.
Szafnauer has proved that he can run an F1 team on a budget and get good results. But they gave him no time.
doesn't help to also have an over-involved CEO breathing down your neck that you have to report to. Otmar had a lot of control in his force india days, the owner just gave him money and sponsors and let Otmar run the show, they were by all accounts a reliable mid fielder at the time which was what the owner wanted anyways. When he's left to do his stuff Szafnauer can be quite competent but he didn't seem to mesh well with owners/CEOs that got themselves too involved. From what i've heard he didn't exactly gel well with Stroll Sr. either, in fact it may have been Stroll Sr. that instructed Szafnauer to use the Mercedes designs in 2020 which we know went so well for Racing Point. Rossi has been a lot of the same, very involved, but worse than Stroll in that he's been willing to bash the team in the media which is just a big red flag.
Think Otmar's time in F1 as TP is over, but i do hope he finds a team somewhere else to run where he's just given wide authority to do as he sees best.
Piastri dodged a bullet. El Plan has moved to Team Green.
Pat Fry is a great hire by JV. It's a long time since I felt this optimistic about Williams' future.
I think the root of the problem started when Renault proudly announced few years back when they truly became a “works” team that they would run the effort at a extreme low budget.
The philosophy of running on cheap money has been proven well enough that does not work.
It’s sad that Renault didn’t see right up their faces that this approach does not generate success on track, he’ll look Williams,
Titans of the 90’s now, a joke.
Makes you wonder how their cars are built.
No wonder Renault makes junk cars burning oil and unreliable trannies.
And why Nissan also want to part ways with the French carmaker.
And you can see it on the car itself. Have you seen how fragile their cars are. One tap and goes the suspension.
The root of their problem is their management. Always has been and always will be.
Mercedes also tried to invest as little as possible to achieve a lot in the beginning. The big difference is that Mercedes eventually realised what they were doing and Renault did not.
I feel bad for F2 /Alpine reserve driver, Jack Doohan. I can only wonder what he and his dad are thinking. Calling Oscar Piastri. "Hey mate, how the hell did you get out of this mess?"
Piastri looking like a genius for rejecting alpine now lol
Pretty sure having Mark Webber as his manager helped abit. Also when the CEO supposedly making you an offer is repeatedly playing cat & mouse with the contract, that should be your first red flag that something is wrong.
I see why fernando dident want to stay
And Piastri for McLaren
Theory/Hot take: They changed their name to Alpine from Renault as to not bring Renault’s name into disrepute; so what you want with the Alpine name, people probably thing it’s a hiking company or something.
Pretty dumb hot take. Alpine is Renault's performance car brand. The video says it rebranded to Alpine to market the Alpine brand. They don't want their performance brand to take the hit either. They weren't planning to be shit....
I live in Switzerland, one of the most richest countries in the world and never saw an Alpine car.
@@irishRocker1 Sir, I said what I said tongue in cheek so pretty dumb perception on your part. I know what Alpine is and why they've decided to rename the team, I would just be surprised if it's made any difference to car sales, our friend living in Switzerland suggests it hasn't.
@@IvanIvanov-tn2iw Im Spanish, which is nowhere as rich as Switzerland, and the only Alpine I've ever seen is one of the old rally ones an old guy local to me has
@@irishRocker1 no one has ever seen a alpine car
Since Cyril left, the team seems to be in a constant state of disarray.
Losing Piastri was the peak embarrassment too :-/
Nah, you gotta admit these firings, based on mutual agreement top that. No foundation, no house.
it was getting nine women pregnant and expecting a baby within a month. Love that line from Otamar Szafnauer
What a great quote from Otmar. Had me laughing for like 5 minutes.
So good to leave so you can trashtalk them in the worst way possible...
That's pretty sexist, i thought Otmar was a progressive male ally with all the pride flags and diversity programs.
@@charmingpeasant9834 what's wrong with you
@@charmingpeasant9834 Are you dumb? The point was trying to parallel some things doesn't make the progress quicker.
@@charmingpeasant9834 bloody hell it's just a figure of speech my goodness relax bro -_--
How is the technical director still there but Otmar gets fired?
One of them quit, the other got fired. If you quit, you have a standard notice period and in that level a period of garden leave.
A CEO or Team principal is often the same, but due to its high profile and sensitivity, it's usually effective immediately when fired, and starts garden leave immediately.
Fancy ignoring Alain Prost, who is French and a World Champion, and who drove for Renault. A quote of his, as he retired in 1993: "the problem with Ayrton Senna is that he believes that he cannot die". Says it all really, about his insight!
and he certainly knows corporate politics, so it must be bad
Prost is a trustie and a lobbyst. Senna just was a car racer.
im not saying ignoring prost is right, but at the same time, its not like his team ran smooth the few years he was running it.
@@broncobalboa I'd say if anything, his failure at running a team probably qualifies him as experienced to know what a horribly run team looks like.
Rossi seemed to have a bit of screw loose tbh.
I am sure the F1 official podcast on Wednesday with Otmar Szafnauer didn't help his case. As per usual, some very strong opinions and I would argue he even took some shots at ownership. I am guessing that helped speed up the decision.
Hahaha was just thinking this. Getting to listen to the podcast after the announcements and sackings puts a hilarious "This didn't age well" spin on it.
I listened to the podcast. Otmar was talking sense. Changing an organisation of 1000 people takes time. Corporate political games add to it. While the other teams are recruiting high profile individuals what on earth has alpine done? Alpine should leave per 2025 then another team comes to fill the spot.
@@marnixsiekmans8259 you’re right, Otmar did make a lot of sense. And that’s probably why he’s not working at Alpine any more.
Will Alpine loose BWT's sponsorship as it came with Otmar when he left what is now Aston Martin to come to Alpine?
I see this as a major win for the livery's look
Very nice video!
Especially the graphic of all the persons in charge :)
And a very good voice over from Ben as well. So it is easy to understand and a pleasure to listen to it.
Thank you so much :)
Man this Laurent Rossi seems like a real piece of work.😬🧐
ex goog;e executive of a business that is a monopoly
Renault/Alpine must be the only works team to buy a small team and make it worse. They've literally gone backwards since the days of Kimi and Grosjean actually landing some fairly respectable results. Lifetime ago now. Sell it to Andretti!
Funny enough, the most dominant in F1 Currently WAS in that same position themselves. Remember Jaguar? Yeah, that was also a great example of buying up a team and making it worse.
Great video and great insights. Well done. Nice to hear a different voice from The Race.
When Flavio was hired to run Benetton F1 team he had no clue about F1 or racing, but was a very successful executive in a very competitive business of clothing apparel. Flavio was a success story, creating a very strong F1 while fostering Michael Schumacher's early career and WDC. Rossi however arrived in F1 as an executive from Google, a monopoly and also knew nothing about F1 and by the looks of it never will.
If I was a rival team I would be on the phone to Alan Permane to get some benefit from all his experience. I am afraid their problem was Rossi. Andretti better get ready.
Imagine firing Alain Prost unceremoniously and expecting things to go well. I can’t say this wasn’t expected.
Changing their brand from Renault to Alpine was the last sign shame for a project which seemed to have so much potential
Fernando and Oscar jumping ship was completely genius in today's context
Could see this coming from 2019-20 and has been snowballing ever since
poor staff appointment (bringin in de Beer & Rossi, and letting Prost go), splurging on ricciardo, involvement of Alpine, mishandling of Alonso contract
Piastri
@@DanielFenandes Sort of imo. They've got a great lineup in Ocon Gasly, but them fumbling Piastri (and more importantly Alonso) is just another example of how idiotic some of their decision making is
@@cajktina absolutely
Peter Machin should've never been let go
Aston Martin overtaking Alpine is understandable due to the amount of investment, but when I saw Mclaren overtook them the writing was on the wall. It’s abit sad because this was the only underdog team that was able to win championships during the Brawn/Newey era
This was a really good vid, good work!
Can't say I don't feel bad for Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney after chipping in to this shitshow
could be a takeover in the making!
Wait - theyve invested in Alpine?! I know they own Wrexham FC but this is news
They will still make boat loads of cash regardless when they sell - f1 is a profit making machine with the cost cap now
Let's see. Reynolds has the Midas touch
Considering how Alpine/Renault have been in upper management disarray for some time.
I have to give props to Zak Brown for sticking through thick and thin with Mclaren to this day despite how rocky it has definitely been for the team as a whole.
A good break down of Alpine and how traditionally all the greatest teams had one CEO calling all the shots, Williams, Mercedes, Redbull, and Stewart who did so much with so very little
What a great video. This breaks things down so well
Philippe Krief has a rather impressive CV being former Ferrari and Alfa Romeo chassis guru, with his team responsible for the 458 Speciale and Giulia Quadrifoglio. I don't know if he can bring his knowledge to improve Alpine F1 as well as taking Alpine Cars to the electrified future, but here's hope.
Oh damn , the guy has actual engineering experience? That does give some hope this time round.
@@hedlund Bruno Famin is also really good, having notably worked on the Peugeot 908 programme
They've been broken for years. Before the budget cap all they did was throw money at the wall and hope something sticks and since the cap they've been left clueless
Sometimes you have to step back and realize just how much of a mess many of the "top" teams are. These teams were all beaten out by a drinks company only five years after they joined the sport
Except said team also hired and patiently built a team that could win championships (And after getting said mess that was left behind by Jaguar for dirt cheap). Ignorance and arrogance is why Team Silverstone (Aston Martin), Mclaren and Williams fell so far as they did and why Ferrari continues to struggle.
It's crazy how everyone but the upper management can see that the problem is a lack of patience causing a self fulfilling prophecy
The last year and a half has been an absolute shambles for Alpine
They never should have given 25 million$ / year to Riccardo. Never should have let go Hülkenberg at 5mil$ / year.
It went downward from there.
Ricciardo got 5th in the championship and got podiums?
Not only that, but they're behind in infrastructure. To be a race winner, you need RB/Merc/Ferrari levels of facilities. Alpine doesn't have that. McLaren/Aston Martin have better facilities these days.
Not only do they have a revolving door of drivers, but it seems like engineers are always leaving/coming in.
There's no way you can have a consistently good product with worse facilities, and staff changing all the time.
@@atkaschathey seem like theyre trying to be the new Minardi. The Alpha Tauri might have the bloodline, but Alpine certainly seem to have the behaviour!
Ricciardo scored podiums 😂 Hulkenberg bottled 😂
@@jamiealder-martin9994 Riccardo had a win for McLaren, he still got fired by them.
Riccardo is like Jacques Villeneuve, incapable of setting a car by himself. He needs another technical driver to take his settings ( at the time Olivier Panis for JV)
What iam saying is that Riccardo is not the guy you need to improve a car through driver's feed back. The guy drives fast & that's it.
So for Renault to hire Riccardo was a mistake.
A video explaining exactly what all these leadership positions do within an F1 team structure would be very interesting to learn about.
Great content as always!
Dont forgett that Alpine also committed to an LMDh entry in the WEC next season so depending on how well that goes the Alpine Project can also end up being in a different sport entirely. But hey, Andretti won't say no to buying that team..
Sportscar racing makes more sense for the (LM-winning) marque anyway. After all, the Alpine brand was revived in the first place through a rebranding of the Signatech LMP2 programme in 2013 (they also ran a rebranded, restricted Rebellion R13 in the first season of LMH).
I can see them "restructuring" the "project" to drop F1, refocus on Endurance and claim it's about honoring their real history instead of admitting defeat. It'd be a handy get-out clause.
I work at Renault's engineering quality after sale department on their everyday cars in their massive engineering facilities in France and the entire company is disorganised and some parts badly structured. There's a lack of commitment and dare I say laziness by some people and some highly graded people.
I don't know why and how long it's been like this but I feel the atmosphere is also at Viry-Chatillion's Alpine F1 factory.
But there's good hopes with Bruno Famin as he lead the Peugeot 908 program to the win Le Mans in 2009 and many championships wins.
Some of it is just the French way (and I don't say that to be offensive, I say that as a student of European history). Throughout the last 200 years, major French enterprises have always been like that
Scotty Kilmer also hates Renault cars. Because they cut corners in production of their cars. Oil burning engines, unreliable tranny. Expensive car parts
They'd do better running Renault Twingo turbos, great cars, wife's got one.😎
Binotto would definitely be an 'on brand' replacement given his history of being a successful team director smh 😂😂
Surely it can’t be long before Renault gives up on this team (again)
It's funny looking at the momentum of teams from last year to this year. Aston Martin and mclaren had major improvements and williams is on a gradual trajectory up.
Teams like alpine, alpha tauri and Alfa Romeo have all had major losses in performance. Alpine is easily the biggest of these teams right now and it's embarrassing how they've fumbled their team so much.
All of this on top of losing both Alosno and Piastri last year also says a lot about the management of the team, they've lost/ fired most of their top figures in the team, and lost two stellar drivers in the last 12 months and have regressed pace wise, at least in comparison to the other teams. Makes Ferrari look like they've got their act together in comparison.
Will BWT leave Alpine along with Otmar?
Here before the BWT Alfa Romeo HAAS F1 Team
I doubt BWT leaving Alpine
I've seen Otmar whatever he goes BWT Follows him team by team
Renault looked at Ferrari's corporate over involvement and thought:
*YES*
Its sad to see my favorite team have such a revolving door. :(
They'll do what they did for the last 4 major engine regulation changes: Screw it up at first, ask for only them to get "Reliability modifications" (threaten to pull out behind the scenes if they dont get them) , copy what everyone else did better and go on to have a 3-5 year domination period. This is exactly what got both Alonso and Vettel their championships.
Ferrari: thanks God there is Alpine
The repeated reorganization has driven Alpine to the rut in which Ferrari has found itself. There is no coincidence that the most successful F1 teams for the past 20 years have been built on core strategy and consistency in leadership.
3:08 now it's finally clear. They wanted a perfectly symmetrical graphic!
“It was either decided before or during the spa weekend” - genius ….
I think the role that Marko and Lauda played in their teams are understated, and Prost should've played that role for Enstone. Prost should've been given full authority to do what he wants.
Marko is never understated lol
Prost leading a team has resulted in failure once before (1997-2001)
@@wolfgangvan-uber6515 Being an advisor isn't quite the same as being team owner. If anything, his unsuccessful time being a Team Owner would arguably work as an advisor. Sadly though, Renault refuses to learn and is basically just dead set on repeating the same mistakes.
Woosh, that was harsh. 😂😂 I think Renault needs someone like Briatore. Lol
Im sure Andretti is thrilled to hear the Alpine/Renault is in termor !!
Look up the Dunning Kruger effect which is what Prost referenced
With alpine becoming less and less serious, I’d like to see Andretti, or even Honda buy the team. A Honda works project would be so cool.
It's simple. They're trying to create a French dream team, equivalent of a French Ferrari but they lack the driving talent, technical talent and everything in between to get it done. Then, when they top brass and money men demand answers they point fingers at each other and get sacked.
At this rate the only one left in the team will be Ocon
Drive to Survive about to be juicy 👀
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This is interesting right, because, Alpine and Renault didn’t eat there vegetables soooo no wonder they are down in the beans right now
A team performs much better once you fire everybody. Fact!
Also, good call by Pierre Gasly. Fernando Alonso was getting bored with being told he always switches to sinking teams.
This season has be so disappointing and underwhelming as an Alpine fan. I had so many hopes, especially with Ocon and Gasly. But the lack of commitment and investment in the team and then this disastrous decision of sacking Szafnauer and Permane have destroyed any of those hopes.
Tbf I don't think it's necessarily too much corporate interference. Renault were stagnant not making progress under cyril, so when Ricciardo left they decided they needed a change, the problem is they chose poorly in Rossi which they're now tryingbto course correct from
For them it's nothing but an marketing exercise. Invest little and get maximum rewards. Always been this way. The fact they won 2 titles was because back then they had pretty much the best staff and Flavio knowing how to get more money from the higher ups lol
Plus they badly nerfed ferrari with the tyre rule change and mclaren weren't reliable enough despite being quicker.
They also cheated in 2006 and had an illegal car.
@@paperplane-db8qf yeah no 🙈
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Wow! The most agressive The Race video ever!
another dynamic to consider: Alpine will have a car in the top category on the grid in WEC/Le Mans next year, if that program produces results that could decide the F1 programs fate.
"and only one of these teams is on an upwards trajectory."
Looks like one team is basically static (gone from easily last to level-pegging with three other back-markers) and the other is falling like a rock, to me.
What’s is the difference between F1 project Leader and Team principal sounds that they would do same job ?
Moving into Lmdh sports cars, it'd make sense for them to sell to Andretti, very soon, it's more sensible for product alignment with sports cars I think.
Brutal! But very true. You can't get anything done without trust and patience in those above and below you.
Prost knows more than anyone what is needed to have a team operating at the highest level and his comparisons to Red Bull and Mercedes are on spot. Not only that but also the short-sightedness of Renault corporate is what's disabling this formerly championship winning team from performing, it's all about wanting to be there in the next 2 months not the next 2 years. Aston Martin has proven that you make a team succesful in a very short time but they didn't become arrogant because of that, they're still aiming to fight for championships in around 2 years time not in 2 months time. They lack an elite level driver but there isn't one that would ever want to join such a toxic team, you're chances of getting a winning car are essentially zero.
I wonder what manufacturers would be interested in acquiring them.
After having worked in management of a global company with its Europe HQ in France, the comments about French management at Alpine sounds very familiar.
It is not catastophia, but solutions are needed, fast:
(a) Put Alain Prost or Sebastian Vettel in charge of "management"
(b) Recruit Mattia Binotto
(c) Find a top notch driver (Leclerc) and also look for a youngster (Kevin Estre, Sophia Floersch?).
(d) Check out the aero/technical people.