Death Worlds
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2024
- The galaxy is a harsh place full of desolate and barren planets, but some worlds may be so deadly they actively seek to kill those who dare to travel to them.
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Death Worlds
Episode 432; February 1, 2024
Produced, Written & Narrated by: Isaac Arthur
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"we see this a lot in Warhammer 40k which draws heavily from Dune"
James Workshop is a company whose IP follows other Sci Fi IPs into a dark alley with a blackjack, a bag and a crowbar for things nailed down.
Don't worry, they stole the crowbar from half life XD
The mugging when they beat up Starship Troopers and Lord of the Rings for their lunch money was pretty criminal
"James Workshop"... helluva typo, heh. :)
@@stellarstylus5382I'm calling it James Workshop now. With the implicit understanding that it's the owners name.
"This, is true." - Rogal Dorn
Shark v. human. In one corner you have an apex predator, lethal, resourceful, capable of doing quick work of anything you put in front of it. In the other corner you have a fish
"get rotated!"
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Fish that is older as a species than trees on land. Last year one Russian had a such encounter with a shark and took sea water temperature challenge.
@@pavel9652 first: love animals and sharks are majestic creatures. Second, in direct unnarmed confrontation, sure, a large shark would crush a human being. But that's not the point of my comment (or of the video, for that matter). According to Wikipedia numbers, humans kill more sharks per second than sharks kill humans in a whole year (they kill an average of 5 people a year while humans kill 100 million sharks in the same period). One of the points of the video is that megafauna is not a threat to our species.
@@anthonyandrade5851 Sure, but in your original comment you didn't say that in one corner we have a fish and in the other corner the entire fishing industry. The way you wrote it suggests confrontation one on one, referring to human as an apex predator. Did you like your own comment? ;)
Isaac, your speech has improved astonishingly well since I first started following your channel years ago. Congratulations! Your hard work has paid off.
I was thinking the same thing
Yea. English is my second languege, and at this point he is easier than understand that half off english speaking folks i know.
Title: Death Worlds
Me: *thinking about a giant cemetery/memorial park.*
Also me: aww, this episode is so kind and full of love ❤
ahahah! Yes imagine that, Grave worlds! We should forward that to Games Workshop's Warhammer franchise or Star Wars. xP Hundreds upon hundreds of trillions of people lay burried here. "Tombstone planets." - Aha, like elephant graveyards, we may have graveworlds dedicated to the most famous and wealthy alone with golden statues xD.
@@Titanscreaming Games Workshop already has tombstone planets. They're just allocated to the Necrons rather than Imperium of Man.
I tihnk that would be 'Tombworlds', which I tihnk we did discuss in passing in the old Kardashev Scale episode
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Sure, there are Necron Tombworlds but considering the bodies entombed there are typically able to get back up and move around I don't think that quite counts. The Imperium *does* have Cemetary Worlds however, which are a much closer match.
Ashen, Pilgrim's Pause, Cryptus and Granithor in the Calixis Sector; Agusia, Redeption and Salvar II in the Koronus Expanse, all within Segmentum Obscurus, to name a few. These are all explicitly classified as Cemetery Worlds containing little else but graves (of various sorts) for humans, and maintained/defended by members of the ecclesiarchy. An interesting exception to this is Occludus which is an Astartes homeworld for the Death Spectres chapter.
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Here's the thing about evolving on a Earth World: You don't know you evolved on one until you are basically a space-faring civilization.
Catachan. It's what you get when space Australia and space Vietnam have a baby.
In the book I read, they seemed incredibly knowledgeable about the natural world. Almost like ecologists trying to understand the living systems of a world.
@johnhutton8927 yes. Just like australians
Australia and Vietnam are both countries notable for having horrific pasts, appealing present days and breathtakingly promising futures.
Did you know that Vietnam has a space program?
@@arcadiaberger9204 So does Australia.
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In an old Catachan novel the the Catachan soldiers have a phrase.
'Every world has its rules, and there is only one way to learn them.'
The visitor centers would really rather have them just *read* the brochures. It would really make their trip much more rewarding and relaxing.
The crystalline beings from Saltierise IV didn't listen: The Salton Sea wasn't safe to "swim" in without an environmental suit.
Sigh 😕
🫠 Shiver ugh
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They probably mean, learn for the first time, because afterwards it would be better to learn from books, brain implant, or whatever they would use to learn.
Deathworlds, one of main settings for r/HFY stories.
I've only found out about these recently... And I gotta say... It's a fun break from the norm
@@DiegoSpinolaIf you want to read the one that kind of hypercharged its current popularity, write The Deathworlders, click the first link, scroll down to bottom, click page 15 and scroll down to the bottom again, and there you can start enjoying the story of Kevin Jenkins, the one who started most of what HFY is now.
The Deathworlders series is fun, The Hunters are probably the best execution of the "space cannibals" trope I've seen.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC For some reason my comment disappeared about the Deathworlders. I didn't even write anything explicit. Just told how to find it. : /
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The algorithm senses a disturbance in the force, that being when you called your sister the enword at 12 years old 😂
No comment for you, pal.
There's a pseudo-magic Sci-fantasy RPG called Numenera where a billion years in the future after 8 fallen advanced civilizations came and went, the remnant Clark-tech is used by the characters to basically do some wildly different kinds of magic.
Most of that has to do with feral nanites becoming a new order of microscopic organism. They've evolved to become part of the ecosystem, with myriad species filling different niches and roles. Just like how we've harnessed cheese-making bacteria, fungal yeast, penicillin mold, and viral CRISPR, the people of Numenera have figured out how to wrangle nanites for many different uses (including sufficiently advanced magic). Of course, there are also plenty of nanite-based diseases that make flesh-eating bacteria and mind-controlling cordyceps look tame.
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One interesting Death World is The City in the manga Blame!, which is essentially a self replicating robotic structure meant to house humanity - but a terrorists attack shortly after its inauguration caused its creators to lose control as well as badly damaging its control systems. It went amok, building randomly... forever. Humanity was largely eradicated by its internal security systems as they were no longer 'legal inhabitants' of the system, and now mostly live in small scattered enclaves in 'blind' areas of the damaged, endless city - basically existing as little more than rats in the sideboards.
Reminds me of "The Survivors", a 1958 story written by Tom Godwin.
It's about a group of human colonists whose colony ship gets captured by hostile aliens. Those aliens take half of the crew as slaves, while leaving the "rejects" behind on a planet with high gravity and an almost unbreathable atmosphere, with no resources but their clothes and a few emergency rations. Just to be clear: "acceptable slave" to the aliens means "adult, healthy males or females with useful skillsets", so the group that gets marooned on the planet includes all the babies and elderly people, of which none survive more than a few days.
More people are killed by deadly predators and diseases - but more babies are born, and even though infant mortality is high, some newborns survive. Ultimately, these people are driven by the memory of what was done to them, so over multiple generations, the survivors adapt to the environment, create more tools, build a settlement, find crops to grow, mine resources, domesticate animals. So after all of that pain and suffering, their numbers start growing again, and they start to get ready for the day when they will have their revenge.
If you're a fan of HFY on Reddit, I strongly recommend this story to you.
2 story ideas I like; the idea of a galactic emperor's tomb being the lone feature of a planet rendered inhospitable to protect and guard the tomb, much like how people envision Indiana Jones or a booby trapped pyramid in the movies. You could go hard on that.
And another is a very antisocial race of aliens that sets lures out in space to trick any developing species into a 'kill zone' planet or even to catch and capture for a menagerie.
I love the 'world of hats and your hat is death' idea.
Why would you need to make a whole planet uninhabitable, when there's already enough uninhabitable planets out there? Just dump your late emperor on Venus. Or just straight into the Sun. You just have to avoid them figuring out that the "100% guaranteed unreachable" resting place is so deadly that even the corpse has no chance to stay in one piece. This now kind of reminds me of Hitler, who after his suicide (I think) was cremated and his ashes dumped into some nearby river, in order to keep his body from falling into Allied/Soviet hands. Sometimes there being no body is the best protection for the body.
@@Pystro I guess in this story, the guy was so important and ruling over such a large empire, that they bury the planet with him. Kill all life on it and populate it with hunter-killer drones to ward off anyone who might disturb it. Or just bio-engineer a place to bury intergalactic royalty that's populated with carnivorous plants and deadly viruses that functions in a similar way.
Kind of just following in the tradition of historical rulers on Earth who get a little bit excessive and cost-prohibitive about their own burials at the expense of the living.
the first option is cool
Pretty cool to think that Earth would be a Deathworld for an Alien species.
Godzilla Earth
And it's our job to make it twice as dangerous for them!
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Go visit any american neighborhood infested with subsaharans
Look up 'deathworlders kevin jenkins' book
A literally exemplary example of "hellish immortality" would be Harlon Ellison's seminal short story "I Have No Mouth, But I Must Scream".
For anyone interested you can find the audiobook version read by Harlon Ellison himself on youtube.
@@negatron313 He really does a grand job of it.
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@@negatron313 Thanks for sharing that.
@@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj Phyrexians from the card game Magic: The Gathering shows another example but on a societal level. There's a card "Phyrexian Unlife" with card art of someone made immortal but no mouth, and another (I think "Phyrexian Rebirth"?) with the flavor text of something like: "The first time is a reward, the fifth time is a punishment."
comparing Earth to be a Death world realy do give some amazing vibes!
Some truly good storytelling and worldbuilding as always, Isaac.
Also loved your explanation about the 4 billion year corpse pile that all life and evolution are built upon. You do have a way with words.
Wonderful episode.
see also Rain World. It takes place in a post 'apocalyptic' lanscape, and the creatures around you all evolved from purposed organisms (essentially genetic engineering), yourself included. Nothing in Rain World is completely biological or completely mechanical, not even the bugs or sentient supercomputers left behind. There's even grass that wants to eat you in Farm Arrays. In fact, as time goes on, the playable characters later in the timeline (mostly) encounter fewer and fewer of the strongest enemies, as they were too active to sustain themselves when their less capable competition didn't require anywhere near as much food.
There is even a creature that walks on two actuators and has a serrated metal beak that constantly opens and closes.
Came to learn about future possibilities, got that plus: Jason Dinault callback, Dune details, background on Space Marines, and on and on.
I don't know how Isaac Arthur keeps all this data in his head, let alone connecting it seamlessly in a format a layman such as myself can digest.
Isaac Arthur Thursday, favorite day of the week! Looking forward to this video and the comments!
This made me think of the 2010 Predators movie. I can absolutely guarantee that hunting preserve is a Death world, being what the Predators are.
That being said, it might say something about us. The fact that the world didn't really appear to be that bad, if not a little inviting.
YEEES MORE WARHAMMER
I love the idea of an AI creating a death world, not out of malice, but out of a desire to maximize supposed human happiness in a limited environment.
I imagine God seeing this comment and saying "Your welcome!"
My first sci-fi book was Harry Harrison's Deathworld, I was 11 and it made a huge impact, been in love with the concept ever since. Happy to see you cover it! Edit: and of course it's the first reference you use. Isaac, what a man!
Your description of a digital death world without true death for at least some of its occupants reminds me a lot of how some sandbox game servers go (I don't know if anyone here is familiar with the example, but think minecrafts 2b2t or similar environments in other games.)
BTW, my personal headcannnon for Avatar the last Airbender is that bending is accessing the terra forming utilities and the world really is as small as it seems
First Contact by Ralts Bloodborne has best HFY story It is an space opera about aliens contacting humanity, a story about war, liberation, sometimes military philosophy concepts, it's has interesting worldbuilding on humanity history and there first contact on alien species. Where the earth on that novel in 10,000 years become a deathworld, because of history. I won't spoil it. For all interested reading on space-military novel with side-characters that can be standalone as it's own story, then this is for you.
12:31 the drywall trick works for me.
I will never tire of Isaac's goofy stock footage of aliens
my favorite has to be the ones with aliens drinking and one of them so out of it that they just... ragdoll onto the floor.
if having jet lag on earth wasn't bad enough, let alone being in warp and almost touching don't-touch-those noodles from some hell world, this one drink or at least a couple drinks will do him in. cheers
I'm glad to see the Kraken and crab monster made an appearance.
40k. The only setting no fan would ever want to visit. ❤
Might be worth seeing the massive fusion reactors that power Olympus Mons on Mars, or another part of the forge but that's a stretch even then, kek.
Lol the one thing that stands out to me about 40k is that there's literally nowhere in the known universe I'd actually WANT to visit.
It's more like 'avoid places you'd be instantly killed in favor of places you'd be instantly enslaved'.
@@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control All VERY valid and VERY salient points 🤣
@@snarkymoosesshack8793 sounds like servitor talk to me. In to the flesh harvester with you!
@@noyzmunky Wew lad!😂
I was very visually focused on the Kangaroo animation starting around 26:00 & then you said "techno-barbarians" right as it faded away.
I can't stop thinking about Techno-Barbarian Kangaroos now... thank you, I love it.
Great video.
It was a moon actually in deep space 9, and Jonathan Banks' performance was great in it, nearly as great as his role in breaking bad.
For me, it has always been Riddick that scares me more than anything. As. It is most likely our distant future. And.. Man that can do what happens in that worlds.. It's an animal thing.
The setting for the game _Paranoia_ has an amok, INSANE AI that runs the megacity, "protecting" the engineered and cloned populace.
“Scavenger Reign” animated series comes to mind when watching this video.
It’s Strange World dialed to 11 about shipwreck suriviors on a bizarre alien planet.
Heavy Metal vibes…
Thanks for the shoutout to Harry Harrison. His DEATHWORLD was the first novel that I read in one sitting. 14 years old. From Friday afternoon to Saturday evening! DEATHWORLD 1 and 3 were astonishingly exciting. DEATHWORLD 2… meh. Jose Farmars “To your scattered bodies go”, book 1 of his Riverworld series transfixed me the same way.
Another badass video!
Oh we are going deep into 40k 😎.
Isaac: everything that lives does so through killing
Me: honey bee
It's immune system.
I like to hear your examples in sci-fi, often gaining new stories and authors. Good stuff my man
Fun fact: there's a radius around every supernova now it really mess up the weather causing massive storms. Thus a death world.
I might have some issues having others living overhead in a cylinder, but I'm sure over time I might get used to it. I love your episodes and your voice. It's soothing and sometimes I use it for sleep. The other edge is that it's very interesting.
Great video. Coldfire Trilogy!
Bravo Isaac!
Lol, i thought this was new luetin09 wideo 😁. But that's great too!
Happy Arthur's Day.
If I remember correctly, Mordor is supposed to be fairly fertile farmland due to the volcanic soil (see the area around Mt. Vesuvius for a real life example), Frodo and Sam were just traveling through the small corner that’s a barren wasteland because they’re going to the volcano itself.
There are volcanos in the African rift system that have such a high sulfer and salt content that the region is throughly poisoned. So that's possible as well.
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I hope people back up youtube for a few thousand years. Imagine the access to history our distant descendants might have, getting to listen to this man's predictions for their time. The sheer volume of work you've put in man, I feel like you'll one day be seen as important as Asimov, as a curator of future history. Love ya work
I think living a proverbial Jainist life on some space ship and having to land on a death world, they'd be more scared about stepping on insects and plants than they would be about being eaten; because they already tuff
So cheerful...
My first thought when you mentioned death world prisons was the Labyrinth from the Death Gate series of books.
This setting is fantasy but in many ways it treats magic as similar to mostly forgotten Clarketech that was used to disassemble the universe and build new mini universes from its parts.
Thank you for the episode, how about life on megastructures and the ramifications of living on one. Or how about living inside a black hole like heechee rendezvous?
Btw, have you done a video about the extreme opposite, fully symbiotic worlds, where the whole biosphere bends over backward to keep you alive and well, where the whole tree of life took the path of cooperation and selflessness and has been extremely successful at it?
If you at all like death world settings and action in your sci fi books, I can only recommend that you start reading neal ashers polity series, it has several prominent death worlds which range from Masada with its arsenic atmosphere and hooders on the low end to Threpsis which makes Catachan look like a nice spot for a vacation, and who could forget Spatterjay and its scottish near immortal super strong sailors that hunt leeches the size of whales.
I can post a reading order since the story plays out over about 1000 years and wasnt written in chronological order if anyone here is interested, but whatever you do dont start with Jack four, it was written as a easy entry point for new readers but it also spoils several reveals that happen in the series.
So dune was originally published in a magazine called analog? Is that part of the reason they don't use computers in the story?
No, the idea of making a machine capable of copying the thinking man does, it is an old concern.
AI rose against them, so they banned computers.
no no. they just had to call it that cuz another mag was already using anallog ;)
@@seanhewitt603 oh, phew. I was concerned there wasn't an in universe explanation. Thank god
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It is always weird to see someone mentioning the Coldfire Trilogy. Out of my extended friend group, I am the only one who has read it. It is nice to see that something I've actually read be referenced a few times on this channel.
Thanks for the grim dark.
Ah yes death world where you either survive or die...wait a minute
Love your work. But, a correcting is needed. The Freeman are not native to the planet Dune. They are part of the Zensunni Wandersers, and settled on Arrakis. As to the part Arrakis plays in forging them into what they become, that is according to Dune canon.
Damn with that thumbnail and text I immediately thought this was a Luetin video, obviously not he already posted this year.
Yay for the Friedman shout out. Totally underrated author IMO
2:57 great writing
Ash yes, the place that taught us that Humans Don't Make Good Pets. It's pretty funny how subjectively pathetic the Hunters are. The setting's reason it's all like that plot twist is pretty clever too.
it's good Isaac that you mentioned Krieg. Not mentioning Krieg Deathworld would have been heresy and invite a visit from Inquisition.
Real estate agents be like this world is in an up and coming neighbourhood, best get in now before they rediscover fusion
20:40 this basically sounds like an early single cell environment. Like protozoa and archaea on early earth. Imagine the creatures that evolve from this and place, they would be invincible metallic dragons or something.
I wonder if you'll mention the Deathworlders story in this video, otherwise known as the Jenkinsverse.
I want to see a video on Alien Mythologies. I could imagine a video being Superstitious Aliens, Religious Aliens, or Holy Aliens.
Thank you for remembering Harry Harrison!
The only i think of, before watching this vid, is that planet/system from Futurama; Third World of the Antares System processing E-waste
Woohoo 🎉 sfia Thursday.
I agree - you need to head for Africa and see what foods we all need to look for in the forthcoming year.
Killamagig… take that autocorrect!
I was away in México so this treat is a nice, vicious welcome home!
One of the topics that came up is that of a subverse, I recommend not googling that as you may have a bad time, or perhaps a great time. Subverse is the name of a pornographic video game.
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Just watched Josh play a Warhammer 40k game, now this. It is a grim dark future.
Hi Isaac!
Are you aware of the channel P.E. Rowe who writes sci-fi short stories based on your videos?
They are fantastic! (And I really hope he does a story for this video.)
First I've heard of it, any particular video you'd suggest I try?
Link, link!
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@@isaacarthurSFIAMan, all of them are great. I would say give The Vault or Mouse of Small Things a listen.
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Never thought I'd hear a Burroughs quote on this channel, but I'm not complaining; he wrote some pretty crazy dystopian fiction.
Anyone know where the walking knights at 15:24 are from? That was a cool looking animation.
Regarding ever-changing worlds and deathworlds being periodic disasters, the games Caves of Qud and how it teaches the player its story is a great example
Mordor's farms may be more horrifying than its front facing industrial area.
So. Could one use a deathworld as a means to isolate themselves from their own species or societies? I say yes. What better way to be alone, than to utilize a planet that wants to cause death and misery.
I always loved the concept that to alien life in most galaxy species, the earth is a death world
Every world is a death world if you're not from there.
And even then that's not a safe bet
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My favorite deathworld novel: Alan Dean Foster's 'Midworld'...
One of the things about Warhammer 40k death worlds is that i imagine a lot of them are just formerly normal worlds that either got exploited into ecological collapse (and rebuilding with less human intervention than the world had in a couple thousand years) or are worlds that had been destroyed by war. The inhabitants of worlds like that may be quite proud given the usual state of 40k: it's not just that they were able to survive a death world, it's that they're the only ones in the 40k universe who know how to build something new and take care of a world. The successful ones would rebuild and bring the world out of "death world" status, back to something more normal status for inhabited 40k worlds. Those sub-civilizations may be quite exceptional, indeed.
At 21:07 that's just BLAME! (pronounced Blam) by Tsutomu Nihei. Good read.
The problem with custodian AI going a haywire and trapping their population in a hellscape. What happens if that population threatens or makes good on mass suicide?
Can you do planetary nature reserve
Instead of designing more powerful plants and animals. Maybe create a weaker humanoid who is than forced to use advanced cutting tools and skills just to make a salad that's safe to eat?
Reminds me of Heaven's Gate in the Hyperion series.
"Everytime you brush your teeth, you commit genocide" - Isaac Arthur probably
Have you ever watched Knights of Sidonia? I'd love to see a video comparing Sidonia to a real generational ship.
Wow, what a coincidence, I've just finished reading Philip R. Johnson's The Deathworlders!
Yay, 40k!
LOL someone is a fellow War Hammer 40K nerd. Please do a video on the possibility of the Immaterium, and how to prevent their foul taint.
I love how Isaac effortlessly uses logic to debunk or de-energize silly sci-fi tropes.
Why say debunk? He has not come to debunk, but to fulfill the tropes.
@@Reiman33 Deathworlds are nonsense. Isaac shows they can only exist temporarily and they most likely will not be natural.
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Sounds like a great idea.. eeeep😅😢🎉
Joking, of course ❤
"Laughs in Kreiger and Catachan"