Barriers to Becoming a Kardashev Civilization
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- Kardashev Civilizations are beyond immense, with even the first tier of them making any modern nation look miniscule, and there are many barriers to becoming one.
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Barriers To Becoming A Kardashev Civilization
Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur
Episode 360, September 15, 2022
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Happy Anniversary Isaac! I only found your channel recently, but I love it. My brother was, frankly a genius, and we watched Sci fi and followed scientific developments together. He sadly passed in 2000, but I feel like I'm sitting next to him again when I watch your videos.
That's really quite sweet.
@@nandodando9695 it is.
Might I suggest an older one called “the dark forest”
That wasn’t the whole title but it has it in it and it is a great episode!
@@spacetexan1667 Thank you!
@@ugiswrong he just might have. He was eccentric as hell, but incredibly smart. I believe he hit 190 on the IQ test he took at Johns Hopkins University.
16:05 I might be a bit biased here, but as an ecologist I feel like the opposite solution is preferable, with Earth utilized as a nature preserve and more human cities and industry moving offworld into orbital habitats. Earth already has established ecosystems, and it seems like it would be easier to restore those than to create new ones whole cloth. Plus, I think there's a benefit in the continuity between deep past and present, which would be present on Earth but lacking in orbitals. This includes both the scientific (studying the history of life and how it operates within a planetary biosphere) as well as the aesthetic/cultural (such as finding a sense of wonder in the deep time history of an ecosystem, or people feeling as if Earth's nature is more "authentic" and orbital nature is more "artificial").
Naturally, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. You could certainly gain a lot of scientific and cultural benefits from creating nature preserves in the controlled, malleable conditions of an orbital. But I do hope that future civilizations of Earth do a better job of preserving its natural ecology than we have, for as long as our planet is habitable (and maybe longer, with the right astro/geoengineering hacks).
Anyways, just my $0.02. Love your channel! Happy eight years!
I feel the same, but from a more historical perspective. The future Earth would make an awesome nature park/museum for all generations born elsewhere. Imagine all that tourism revenue! Plus, the living planet from low orbit might just be the most spectacular view in the universe (at least until/if we find alien life).
Strongly agree. I just like to present this more as a long-term study. Earth is the only place in existence with hosts a complex life that we know of. And it is an ever-changing system. Preserving ecologies is fine and dandy, but I see Earth as the only real "bioreactor". It would be a waste to not see how life evolves and diverge without human presence. Altrough not necessary without human intervention. I see arguments for preventing mass-extinction events and supplying desserts with resources for life. Like vertical reefs (basically big ocean towers providing light and nutrients in barren stretches of water), Isaac came up with back in Earth 2.0 series. Fascinating concept.
102 cents adjusted for inflation. 😀
Here’s the problem with your statement, though. Established ecosystems change, so if anything we should seek to be the “Tiger” ie cultivate the ecosystem around us so that we can have our cake and eat it.
Basically, I’m saying we should learn to make Ghibli worlds and embrace Solarpunk practices instead of the very Cyberpunk direction we seem to always head for. Everything he says just makes it sound like we’re headed for the Expanse in the next few centuries, but they can very easily be remedied with a more solarpunk direction.
@@KRYMauL To clarify, I wasn't meaning to suggest that we keep Earth's ecosystems in unchanging stasis. Nor was I trying to suggest that _all_ humans move off Earth to take a completely hands-off approach. I'd personally be _totally down_ for a more solarpunk/Ghibli-esque style of civilization on Earth that exists in much greater harmony with natural ecosystems. I've actually dabbled a little in solarpunk writing myself and like the concept and aesthetic a lot.
That said, I don't think this is mutually exclusive with moving out into space or even developing more "cyberpunk" style civilization components. Arcologies, orbital habitats, and distant mining colonies don't _have_ to look like the grim, gritty, noir-esque settings beloved of cyberpunk writers. An orbital habitat _could_ be a lush conifer forest, an arcology _could_ be woven full of parks and greenbelts, a distant mining outpost _could_ have tons of gardens with fresh veggies. It's just a matter of getting the right technological possibilities to line up with the right social incentives... which is kind of just the same problem as on Earth.
Plus, building an orbital ring and hanging things off of it seems like a pretty effective way to build a _literal_ Castle in the Sky!
Congrats on reaching 8 years. Thank you for providing quality mind-expanding content for nearly a decade!
And on your upcoming birthday. 😉
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Amongst the doom and gloom we see around us, we can always count on SFIA to provide optimism and education. Thank you for what you do.
Biggest barrier is Capitalism
@@mcboat3467 what?? theres no more consistent pattern in human economic history, that the more % of resources a government takes, the worse results for the country.
check everywhere communis has been tried.
check the history of unite states from single digit of total spending in the country being done by government ,to the ludicrous about 50% of today with the illegitimate vegetable regime destroying the country.
how does one even arrive at the point to blame capitalism i have no idea
@@mcboat3467
No it isn't.
Capitalism is a means to an end and not where we should be by the time we _get_ there, yes, but is it not the main or biggest threat. Not as far as I can see.
Capitalism has its perks for now, so it can and should stay as long as it's not left unrestrained or saturated to all parts of the world.
Obsidian762 I agree, many Doom stories in our years looking to the future an space helps to steer away from all the negativity 🙌
You're very welcome Obsidian :)
We are our hardest barrier
I agree with you due to political and psychology reason.
@@MrKIMBO345 and biological, the barrier between womans and mens desires are big, but we cant acept that, so we live into a ilusion.
@@aquiledelrosa not really a problem
Tis what she proclaimed!
@@tyalikanky actually that is! Is a domino effect my friend.
If is in chaos so everything else is, see how much hikikomori exists, 1ncel, and the list goes on.
Disbalance, chaos, thoses minds could be genius, but they was absorved by a disfunctional society where men and woman arent in actual balance, so isnt the species.
Thank you for posting your videos they give me a stark reminder of the challenges of humanity. They also remind me how amazing humans have been up to this point. Growing up I was the most optimistic person. I’m more of a realist but you make it very easy to imagine a very realistic utopia
I'd say that's the charm of his videos, they're so well grounded that there's no reason to view them as not realistic and achievable.
Definitely a cause for optimism, it's amazing how changing very small things for a goal could actually move mankind in a utopian direction through the embracement of technology that is actually in our hands and simply not utilized.
Our biggest problem when it come to achieving any reasonable goals is us.
@@BartdeBoisblanc That's for sure, a lot of people have trouble with the concept of live and let live.
It's why the Space Age meme exist, Star Trek is the future you want, 40K is the future you get.
The hold back will ultimately result in only the most zealously united groups moving forward.
8 years!!! Wow. Incredible work, Isaac. You’ve gotten so many people interested in furthering their scientific understanding of the world in which we live and have helped to make this world a better place by it. We appreciate all you do:)
I've been watching these videos since 2017 and it's been my favorite part of every week. I want to commend the artists that do the artwork and videos for these videos. Amazing and beautiful job. The production value of these videos seems to increase every year and I find that amazing as well. Congratulations Isaac & Team!
This stuff is like starting the day with squats and bench press but for my brain. Love it
You know... Something people usually don't address in sci-fi is the gravitational effects of megastructures, ship traffic, import & export of materials, etc. For example, you "bleed" the sun, extend its lifespan, and all of a sudden bye bye Jupiter. Or you mine a moon fast enough and all of a sudden its center of gravity shifts enough for it to wobble a bit before it re-rounds itself after many terrible moonquakes. Or... you get the idea.
I think if you capable of removing that much of material, in an amount of time that the gravitational effects would come as a surprise, then not only would the gravitational effects not be a surprise (because it was obviously gonna happen) but you'd be able to brute force the consequences back into place
@@Daltem Climate change was obviously gonna happen for the last 50 years, and we could have brute-forced our industry to change it's production processes, but we didn't. We're trying to engineer our way out of climate change, but we're late. I'm assuming humans won't become particularly smarter before space mining becomes a thing.
IMO, not that good of an extrapolation, given that by the time it's possible to harvest resources from space at such an extreme pace, the only way there wouldn't also be tons of transhumanism and most likely truly self-aware AI is if you can somehow enforce a humanity-wide ban on it... despite the fact that now a ton of people should also be living in space and everyone would be hard to evenly subject to a rule *that* dogmatic and opinion-based.
You might think self-replicating machinery would be so powerful that it can outspeed these developments, but it'd be constrained in how fast it can operate and build more of itself by the laws of thermodynamics and physics, no matter how well you build it.
(And if you have self-replicating machinery that breaks physics and thermodynamics, then we have to conclude your people ARE nigh-godlike and these consequences really ARE all not only possible, but EASY to reverse)
And you might say "oh, but now the thought processes of the future humans are so alien that they can't be trusted!"
But to be around long enough and at high enough population and industrial might for this to be a problem, it's mandatory that they had to get way better at foresight and overcome a lot of other, more pressing issues first.
Eg, if your race can't account for this, how were you ever responsible enough to maintain the *millienia long* presence of space factories and habitats necessary to do this in the first place?
Also it's obvious even now with global warming, we're still here and there are a lot of people who *are* trying to do something about it, and *have* made important long-term impacts even if their efforts seem too little for your liking.
@juliahenriques210
Happy anniversary to the internet's king of futurism! Your productivity and consistency is really inspiring to me.
“Keeping up With The Kardashevs.” It ain’t easy, folx.
This is a topic that should be discussed between all nations. Are we not yet ready to get this space opera stellar empire started?
I don't think it would be possible in a capitalistic system, because even if a stellar empire was theoretically possible, only the ultra rich would have the opportunity to leave this planet. The lower classes will be stranded here on earth awaiting its slow death
I really love this channel, I've been learning English from quite some time and Isaac's videos have helped me push my level further at relativistic speeds , I really hope we someday as a species reach that level of tech. Also wonder if we'd be still using the same means of communications or maybe we might have evolved technologically so much that information is just instantaneous and learning something is just part of the past. After all, mostly everything have changed a lot if we compare the early decades of the past century to the early decades of our current one. Almost unrecognizable.
The Makarios Scale of Technological Development is a revision of the old Kardashev scale. Look at these:
Type One: "Novice"
(revised) intensive use of more than half of the planet's habitable surface area for urban dwelling, agricultural production, industry or resource extractive purposes. Oceans, ice caps and deserts are not typically considered habitable, although some oases may exist.
Type Two: "Unstable"
(revised) threatening the ecological health of the planet by careless practices, whether by stripping resources, excessive pollution, or loss of secondary species.
Type Three: "Emergent"
(revised) has acquired sufficient technology to make space flight and colonial ventures possible. Potential for mass self-destruction demands a quest for coexistence.
Type Four: "Maximized"
(original) Type One: intentional use of all the insolation received by the planet for food or power.
(revised) has accessed or made feasible all of the resources and energy available on the planet. Approaching a sustainable global regime for shared resources and political consensus or a tolerant balance of powers.
Type Five: "Outbreak"
(revised) has established self-sufficient populations, with trade routes, in multiple extra-planetary colonies, and continuing to spread. Industrial development of free-floating habitats, space infrastructure and specialized project construction begins.
Type Six: "Established"
(revised) has explored the entire stellar system in sufficient detail to map a super-majority of its geography and resources. Technological proficiency allows pioneers to colonize the frontiers at will, and choose political independence.
Type Seven: "Expansive"
(original) Type Two: intentional use of all of the energy output of the star for habitation and industrial purposes.
(revised) complete access to all of the resources and energy available within the star system, including its planets, moons, and smaller satellites. Experimental robotic ships explore the nearer neighboring star systems and the conditions of intermediate space.
Type Eight: "Arrival"
(revised) first colonies established around other star systems. Ultrahigh-energy physics experiments explore the potential for travel at relativistic or supra-lightspeed velocities.
Type Nine: "Manifesto"
(revised) seeding the stellar neighborhood with many colonial ventures, discovering the range of variety of system formation and geography, and revealing the frequency of the origins of life.
Type Ten: "Epitome"
(original) Type Three: acquisition and use of the entire energy output of all of the stars in the whole galaxy.
(revised) technological capacity to range at will throughout the galaxy, planting colonies, developing resources and tapping unlimited energy as needed to sustain the presence and growth of the species in all its various iterations. Sophisticated modes of long distance travel and self-contained habitat ships allow for sporadic attempts to surpass galactic boundaries.
Conclusion:
As you can see, the original version of the Kardashev scale assessing the power use of a space-faring civilization was excessively over-simplified. Having only three tiers, it did not allow for any detail or description of the intermediate stages of development. At every stage, it required an "all or nothing" obvious achievement in order to advance to the next rung of the ladder, and totally lacked any descriptive or predictive powers.
This revised version does have more capacity for descriptions, and also allows for a certain amount of flexibility. It can be used to note and measure some fractional attainments, and can accept some skipping and mixing of non-linear development patterns, while still offering some definite levels of meaningful achievement for comparisons.
That is one of the issues I take with Kardishev Scale as well, that it over simplifies vast swaths of development and expansion.
Happy anniversary! Still my favorite channel on the Tube all of these years later. Thanks for the consistent delivery of informative, thought provoking content that is entertaining.
In a K9 civilisation will their military's bark be worse than their bite.
K9 does not compute. Doctor Master (insert TARDIS here)
A k9 civilisation needs about 10^96 watts to be considered one or 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 watts, thats as much atom that are in 10 billion universes
I continue to love the more positive view of the future, instead of the end of the world dread that so many seem to have in the part of the country that I live in. I am hoping to live long enough to see some more amazing things. Keep Your Dreams Alive; Stay Creative.
The biggest barrier of entry is the belief that even if it were possible it would somehow not be moral.
There are way too many anti human development agents, and they're all brainwashed by ideology and politics.
So many fear AI is gonna destroy humanity because we're a plague (guess what, every living being is a plague, there are no net positive animals/bug/plants and even robots and AI would be a plague too).
Then there are the people who say "green energy no matter what" and reject nuclear power because they've watched too many movies and the Simpsons (how are you doing dear californians).
And definitely not last nor least, the people who want humans to stop having children to help ease climate change, clearly not a smart bunch. The best course of action is to make personal sacrifices and try to help/come out with research and new ways of being able to control our climate.
I still remember how we were supposed to be drowning 10 years ago, or the many many other worldwide failed predictions and alerts.
So many agents against the advancement of the human race, like artificial organs being immoral and many more.
Morality hasn't stopped us yet!
Let us fix this planet first then we'll have discussions of leaving it behind and the moral implications of colonizing space
@@noorlita Nah, let's leave the planet and create tons of space colonies. Each people with their own land and government looking out for them.
@@noorlita Case. In. Point.
Happy anniversary, Isaac. Here's to another 500 years of your content!
Thank you for your outlandish, astounding and wonderful work! You've just opened my eyes and stimulated my brain way beyond anything I've ever imagined! Before your show, I always saw life as an experience with an expiration date, and that made me see life through grim and pessimistic lenses. Now, I look forward to the future, eager to be part of that progress, with optimism and burning desire!
Happy anniversary, and I hope we stay together for decades to come. Thank you.
I think at this point it's been 3 years? Of SFIA watching for me. I am absolutely floored with the growth of the channel both in quality and topics. You truly are a source of optimism and hope for the future a scratch an itch I didn't even know I needed scratched. I may not get to live on an OORT cloud size ringworld, but I am ever thankful that I know about them now. Enjoy your birthday, enjoy the anniversary, and keep being the creator we have all come to love
I think I’ve been here since the beginning, but really started to enjoy them 5 years ago.
Thanks for a healthy dose of cosmic optimism. Eight years, and still fresh and brilliant! Congratulations!!
Thank you for years of amazing content Isaac! I listen to your videos while I am working, when I'm driving, when I'm at home, and when I'm sleeping. Pretty much all day and night 😅 Again, thank you so much for the content. I literally can not get enough of it. Keep em coming!!
Just wanted to thank you for all your amazing ideas and explanations. I recently started the honours course "how to design an alien" and your videos have really thought me how to approach these problems. So thank you. Also happy 8th anniversary!
Thank you for making so much great content. I found you during covid and binged everything - now I listen to your podcasts and videos while I work/walk.
I have been a little pessimistic about evolution leaving much of any low-hanging longevity fruit to be picked in already long-lived species. So I was thinking we were going to need absolutely comprehensive repair of tissues at best, or at worst, a thorough understanding of metabolism, with all its eye-watering, despair-inducing complexity.
But of late I'm thinking there probably really are some near-term, relatively simple measures that can be taken. First, *_we now know how to rejuvenate the thymus._* This is huge. A youthful immune system solves a lot of problems. Major clinical trials can't begin soon enough.
Also, there is this idea, _antagonistic pleiotropy_ -- genes that increase your chances of reproductive success in early life, can have very negative effects in later life. Kin selection effects notwithstanding (e.g., the proposed grandmother effect, where longevity is selected for via grandmothers contributing to the reproductive success of their closely related grandchildren), evolution doesn't give a damn about post-reproductive periods, so genes that harm you in your old age are not much selected against, and in fact they can be selected _for._ So major progress may be made by simply silencing certain genes in later life. And our technology to accomplish that silencing has advanced extremely rapidly in the last 15 years.
One especially exciting current effort at targeting multiple diseases of aging via gene therapies is Prof. George Church's _Rejuvenate Bio_ company. They will bootstrap to human clinical trials by developing treatments for dogs. Monied dog-lovers (among whom I count myself ... well, at least the dog-loving part) will spend big money to have healthy, energetic 17+-year-old dogs. And because dogs are much better analogs for humans than rodents are, in many ways, in terms of diseases of aging (dogs fail in old age in ways very similar to humans), funds from the pet business can go towards human clinical trials for the same, or very close to the same, gene therapies.
It may be that these approaches only get us to people being healthy and vigorous up to about 115, then going downhill rapidly after that. But that's a _huge_ improvement -- and it may buy us all enough time to be around for the truly comprehensive rejuvenation technologies.
Unfortunately I think we are going to have various longevity technologies (that actually work) for a couple decades before they are widely available, at least in the USA. The most important thing anyone can do is prepare to be in decent health 20 years from now.
Without major reform to Social Security and Medicare and similar programs outside the US, I would be concerned about suppression of life-extension technology except for a connected few.
Such an optimistic person. Team humanity.
I'm definitely in favor of garden parks and nature preserves in between urban arcologies with agriculture belts around them. Of course, we'll need to do lots of recycling and pollution clean-up to get to that stage, and any resource extraction will probably be off planet. But it will be an idyllic way to live, I expect.
BTW, it would be cool to use "star lifting" technology to get materials from the Sun, and lower the Sun's classification into the K range, thus extending its life to about 30 billion years instead of 5-6 billion. That would put Venus into the Goldilocks zone, too, as well as giving us the resources for grand megastructures.
Your channel has reawakened my love for science and space.
I watched this video and found nothing helpful for how I could become a Kardashev 3 civilization. Not one workout tip, daily routine, or mindfulness exercise. What kind of self improvement is this?
It's a blues scale for harmonica, no? 😅
Bravo on eight years, quite a remarkable accomplishment and well deserved. SFIA is phenomenal. And Happy 42nd!
I really love your channel. I just wonder why there are so few ads in your videos. I am so much in love with them that I definitely don't mind an ad every like 8 or 10 minutes. And I think everyone else also agrees!
This channel is always my number one on youtube!
I propose a new scale where efficiency is the priority. The civilization starts by using a entire galaxy of energy and slowly reduces this to a 9v battery gathered from Hawking radiation. All the while maintaining the same level of complexity and population.
I can't believe it's been 8 years already! Congratulations 🎉
You're one of my favorite channels, I've been watching you for three years now. Good luck
Congrats on another awesome year! Here's hoping we're all still around to see a megawatt civ, and beyond!
Happy Arthursday Friends! I am optimistic about where humans will end up. With people like Isaac teaching us, I think the limit is endless. Live long and prosper friends🖖🏻
Isaac, thanks man. At these times of existential threat, your eyes on the future possibilities are an aid to coping.
You have fundamentally affected my perspective on futurism and humanity's development, Isaac! I've been watching you for over 5 years now, wow.
I hope you too will be one of those alive today that will witness these wonderful times! Cheers!
Happy belated 42nd birthday - I turned 42 a few weeks ago as well. The meaning of life has been revealed!
I love your videos! Although I don't always comment, they're all thought provoking and exceptionally informative. You've inspired many to love science and even some video ideas for myself 😅 keep going for 1M! Happy bday too!
Never figured my favorite SciFu guy would only be a few months older than me. I am also looking forward hitting 42. Congrats and keep up the interesting topics!
This is maybe the most uplifting episode I have seen on your channel. Happy Anniversary! Its been a great ride watching your channel grow. Huh your one year older then I am cool. Cheers
Been watching your phenomenal content for years now. It should be required material for any serious sci-fi enthusiast, with a strong appreciation for hard science. Oh, and happy birthday from an Irish fan, who appreciates the excellent work you do for us all.👍
Mazaltov and congrats for both anniversary and birthday!
Keep up the amazing work!
Always love coming here for the enlightened discussions! Love your work Sir Isaac!!
Yes! I actually have time to finish this episode before work!!!
Congratulations on the anniversary and thank you so much to the whole team for the outstanding content.
Eight Years!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉 That’s a beautiful thing. Thanks Isaac.
Kardashev's scale is predicated on consumption vs effective usage which is analogous to brute force hacking vs discrete coding IE appetite vs efficacy or base gluttony vs intelligent usage
I would love in depth video detailing how AI may help bring about this future. Specifically how AI can come up with hypothesis and models for observations that currently stump humans, such as turbulence, consciousness, side effects for medications, the expression of a genome, quantum gravity, etc...
Imagine if we give AI data about quantum effects and ask it to come up with different viable and testable explanations, and it comes up with 21 possible hypothesis that we can then test.
We could also use this function of AI for drug discovery, finding the mechanism behind drugs and hormones and other endogenous and exogenous compounds, determining the side effects a drug will have on someone based on their genome and epigenome, creating more effective drugs without side effects, identifying health problems before they even occur or predicting the exact symptoms or path a person's condition will take, developing new treatments, developing reversible but long lasting options for gender transition or cosmetic options, designing new medical technologies to image and monitor health (and new technologies in general, such as a brain-computer interface, food engineering, batteries, energy extraction, carbon capture and storage or utilization, worldwide high speed rail networks, etc...).
Of course it would be concerning if the AI was a black box and came up with answers and we don't know how it came to those answers, so we should design AI that can explain to use how it came up with the answers it did.
Sorry if I am rambling.
You are right doh. Let an ai " rediscover physics" for example and see if it comes to the same conclusion we did or what or such things... like, what kinda numeric system would an Ai come up with if devised to make one? Or what kinda new laws of physic could it shed light on?i
Happy Anniversary Isaac! I only started watching your videos about 6 months ago now. I really enjoy them. Thank you for all the work you put into these to educate and entertain us. And thank you for your service brother.
Congrats Isaac your videos are so knowledgeable. My curiosity towards science and technology are filled by your videos
Happy Birthday, happy anniversary, and may there be many more of both!
Next video is definitely sponsored by the Adeptus Mechanicus in their efforts to find and purge hereteks 🤣
Jokes aside great video as always!
The main flaw with the Kardashev scale in my opinion is that it presumes an advanced or even spacefaring civilization would require similar densities of energy to complete a given activity as we would need to use. Similar to trying to classify and predict our own civilization's path from earlier times based on use of torches or incandescent lighting without accounting for later development of LEDs.
There is no rule which states that an advanced civilization must use more energy than that which preceded it. I would propose that the opposite, in fact, is far more likely.
1:00 Kardashev IV: Using all the energy of Russian Astronomer Nikolai Kardashev
Happy Anniversary Isaac! Glad you’ve been keeping your channel going and hope you tons of luck for the future in the future!
Wow time flies.i remember first finding and bingeing your content while on vacation a month before the channels second birthday and now it's up to 8th. thanks for the years of great content and here's to hoping to follow you for at least as many more in the future.
I still love your channel after all these years! It's a nice "get away" from my other subscriptions. Thanks bro!
Happy Anniversary !!! you deserve it , thanks
I can't believe it's been nine years. I mean, I can believe it but wow that time has gone fast. Thank you Isaac and to all and everyone that has helped keep this channel going. It is a pure joy to give such discussions as Kardeshev Civilisations some serious analysis.
PS: '42' is a great number so if you can find a co-operative Ameglian Major cow to eat, then enjoy a delightful dinner of shoulder braised in a white wine sauce. Of course, you'll have to find a Milliway's first.
It's so awesome to see how you channel has grown and developed over the years. Great work man!
I come to these videos at his channel to give me that sense of hope that keeps me going. These are truly good for the soul and it gives me a extreme sense of FOMO
I love this channel. I started watching about 4 years ago as something to fall asleep to. (I know Linda odd 😅) But I have trouble reaching deep sleep so I find myself remembering a lot of the information. Isaac covers so many topics, isn't afraid to go very deep into complex topics, and he (and his wife ❤️) describe the info very well.
Thank you Isaac for years of great content 👏
You are awesome Isaac. Keep doing what you do
I tend to dismiss the idea of a successful Kardashev Civilization being almost inevitably "united" both ideologically and politically as silly.
Strife between nations has been the most powerful force behind innovation. Even rocketry developed quickly only because of its military applications. Diversity of thought and different approaches to the resolution of issues ensures a higher chance the issues will be resolved more quickly, since "someone's gotta get it right."
Competition is great for advancement, and unity would absolutely stifle it and lead to stagnation.
Well, not necessarily. There will always be scientists doing research for the sake of pure science. Real unity would allow for lowering standards of military preparedness. That money could be diverted to research.
@@UpperDarbyDetailing bit the money we spend on military is done of the most powerful when it comes to research and also re enters the economy it doesn't just evaporate
(to surrect planets is how to live in a universe - life as center of the universe)
@@UpperDarbyDetailing The point is that, without a driving need for that technology (like another people group threatening to attack you) the odds that that money would be put into research is low. One of the best producers of real new science and technology today is DARPA specifically because those are problems the US government VERY MUCH wants to solve, or advancements they VERY MUCH want to have before anyone else. NASA did incredible things with a fraction of that budget when the US government was VERY CONCERNED with beating the USSR to the Moon. Now.... not quite so much.
@aurex it is for that reason that an alien invasion would be the best thing for humanity. We will be united against the aliens and by being in a war against aliens we will be competing against them for our survival.
For you budding SF writers in need of a hook: A plant evolves to survive in space. It eventually grows to orbit it's star before forming a complete Dyson sphere. Thus, a non-civilization Kardishov II.
It's seeds may even travel to other systems, eventually become a Kardishov III plant species.
The Gardeners of the Galaxy vol 5
@@josephedmond3723 Do you mean "Guardians..."?
If so, isn't that still planet bound plants?
@@Roland14d it's a pun. Gardener instead of guardian because of the plant.
Not sure The Kardashev civilization classification is that useful anyway. Makes assumptions about energy use that are probably wrong and simply assume growth continues exponentially. FTL technology particularly is impossible to achieve through simply using more energy. If negative matter exists and we can capture it then FTL tech might be possible using little more energy than we have today..
Happy Birthday Arthur 🖖
42yo. was a great year for me too.
I like the idea of evaluating a civilization's 'tier' based on how much area it has expanded to control. A single man who remotely operates a solar satellite fleet that absorbs all the output of a star and uses it to blow up planets is not a K2 civilization. So population is a necessary aspect of it. Proposed tiers below:
C0: Family
C1: Community
C2: Tribe
C3: County / Town
C4: City
C5: State
C6: Metropolis
C7: Country
C8: Continent
C9: Planet
C10: Planet, fully interconnected by roads
C11: Planet, fully interconnected with power
C12: Planet, all living space occupied
C13: Near space colonizing
C14: Multi-planetary / colonization outside Hill Sphere
C15: Multi-solar system
C16: K1
C17: Multi-K1
C18: K2
C19: Multi-K2
C20: Whole local star cluster colonized
C21: Whole galaxy colonized
C22: Multi galactic
C23: K3 (K2 more than 50% of galaxy)
C24: Multi supercluster
C25: all gravitationally bound space colonized
The first rule of space combat is Patience, Patience, Patience! Sorry, I had to do it because I just love listening to your videos at work. Thank you and Happy Anniversary!
Happy birthday to us both Isaac. thanks for all the videos and information you give us. i Hope you have a wonderful day.
well im aussie so u might have to wait a few hours till its ur bday.
Isaac...I love your channel. Entertaining educational free entertainment. Keeping the advertisement commercials to a minimum. If I purchase some earbuds or a subscription to one of your sponsors I will definitely use your /promo code so you get credit. You have a soothing voice and you do a great job dumbing things down for an average Joe like me. I appreciate that I am clueless about your politics. Etc...blah blah. Keep doing what you're doing. Thank you for your service.
Wait 8 years ive been subbed for 6 years, im truly thankful for your great content may it never end looking forward to seeing what you do for 10 years.
Congratulations Isaac on the 8th anniversary and well wishes for many many more to come🎉🎉
I remember subscribing all the way back in 2016 and I am still glad to have found your channel. ☺️😁
You should make an ideal timeline. Where you combine all videos into one timeline.
I found you a few years ago. May we have many more to go! Nice work.
Buckminster Fuller pointed out that we use less energy to do more as we advance. My car gets much better gas mileage than my car I had in 1970. My household lighting uses a small fraction of what it used to be. Newcomputer chips coming on line are much more efficient.
Happy anniversayyy wuhuuu!!! I watch your videos every night before bed!
If each generation has 6 surviving children per person, you will have a growth rate close to 10x pop every 50 years. So, assuming we have 10 billion people by 2050, that's 10^6 x 10 billion people by 2500, or 10 quadrillion.
Can you please detail what you mean by “If each generation has 6 surviving per person?” Can you demonstrate what you mean and how you arrived at 6 children? Is that what we average now or is that above our current “performance?” Thanks!
@@whipsmartchris assuming a 25 year generation, you have half the number of couples as the adult population. So 10 billion people is about 5 billion couples. So after 25 years, if each of those couples has 6 children, that would be an additional 30 billion adults. A generation later, that would be 90 billion, or (30/2)*6. So 9 times the initial number of adults in 50 years.
Though 25 years is a long generation, it makes the math easier. If the generation is shorter like it was in the past, or you had even more children, say 7 instead of 6, it would grow even faster.
The greatest threat to humanity's future is the ideocracy our society is becoming. When opinion is considered true even when the facts don't match. When rational thought is seen as offensive.
People are being conditioned to never question things and that certain groups need protection over others.
For me, a relatively small O'Neil cylinder somewhere in the Oort cloud would suit.
Please don't park your cylinder too close to mine
@@superkittyshow1782 No worries, We'll likely be at least a few light-hours distant.
Love your channel. You talk about the most important thing there is.
Happy anniversary and happy Arthursday! I've only been watching the last couple of years but am enjoying it greatly
Literally just found you today. I have a feeling I’m in for a seriously wild ride! Cheers and thanks in advance!
I cant believe it has already been 8 years. Still remember the day I found your channel and watch every single video you made down the list
everytime I watch your videos I can't help but think about the First Contact sci-fi story on the internet since so much of the topics you talk about or issues your bring that could be hurdles to things are just so perfectly woven into its story.
Great videos.
Really love the beautiful graphics and interesting information in your videos.
Please keep up the excellent work.
P.S Really looking forward to reaching level k1 in my lifetime !!!
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Man, I'd love to see you as one of Bioware's Mass Effect 4 Science and Fiction designers/writers. They actually hired a RUclipsr recently that specializes in screenplays but I can't recall the guys name. I know they have a relatively small Science and Fiction designer team, but after Andromeda, I'm sure they could certainly use that unique mind of yours that blends Science and Futurism so darn well though.
So what are we waiting for? Go to their site and put in an application for remote consultation.
i think the youtubers name is Michael tucker
happy anniversary and birthday brother, you've been a huge inspiration for me to start making my own content. big fan and friend you havent met yet!
How could your lucky number *not* be 42 ? Happy Birthday, and Happy Anniversary. :-) Thanks for all the fish.
Oh, wow. I can't believe it has been 8 years! I think I found you about six years ago and spent a long time trying to figure out where you were from because of your sexy accent. I think I finally decided you were Korean. haha It has been a genuine pleasure to watch this channel grow, and to see it become what it is. Take care, and keep living the dream! :)
Happy birthday Isaac! I know it’s not now, but it’s coming up
We don't have any actual life extension yet. People don't get much older than was possible in the past. It's just that more people get to grow old and raise the average life time but the oldest people aren't getting much older than the oldest people in the past.
Happy Birthday,Isaac,to you and SFIA!
Think I've been on board since about 2018/17 or so,hitting 50 must have reawakened some of the curiosity and thirst for knowledge I had as a young kid...And thanks so much for all the literary recommendations:will definitely have to get started on Alistair Reynolds, read more Iain M Banks,and check out a few of the other people you've mentioned!
Firstborn remains my favourite episode, one of your classics!
Isaac, thank you as always for giving me hope and motivation to stay healthy so I live to see this. This is the type of future I dream of, becoming post scarcity and protecting the natural and historic wonders of Earth in the process.
*Reads the title. Gestures to all of humanity, self included.* This.... this is what our principle barrier is composed of.
Kardeshev scale gets overanalyzed, its just one of many paths but gets talked about sooooo much.
Eight years of great content! Many respects from the UK 🙌