Command vs Back Tension & How to Shoot BT
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- This video explains the basics of a command style shot compared to a back tension style shot, and then covers how to shoot back tension using a hinge, thumb button, and a wrist strap release.
I just love her description of back tension shooting. After shooting for 30 years I was reminded of a few things. Great for beginners and as a review for the experienced shooter
"The pin is going to float around... AND YOU NEED TO LEARN TO BE OK WITH THAT"..... Finally someone just comes out & speaks the truth. Nobody ever says that.
Paige, you are an excellent teacher. Thank you.
Great video. I quit archery because of target panic, and a backtension release saved archery for me.
Fantastic info, by someone who applies what she knows and wins. No argument from me, just thanks and appreciation.
Great job Paige. Really appreciate the effort
Just discovered your channel. Best technical instruction on any channel. Good content, good explanation, good execution/editing of videos. Glad to be a new subscriber!
Awesome job Paige !
Great video with clear concise information. Well done!
I have been doing it wrong for so many years. Cant wait to go and try some of your advice Paige! Thanks!
This video is awesome, I have looked at some many videos trying to figure out back tension..well explained ! thank you so much for this video
For what it's worth this the best explanation of releases in detail from a true professional. She's proved her skill many times and continues to do so. Very articulate in her presentation. Also, a super awesome representative of the WOMAN AMERICAN ARCHER all over the world. An added feature is she is a beautiful lady to watch making these vids.
Killin it girl! A ton of useful information in this video!
My hinge broke! Fortunately I can get it replaced under warranty, but in the meantime I have a thumb button release. I reviewed this video to make sure I was going to use back tension to execute my shot. Excellent video.
:) Turning out to be some of my fav videos.... thx Paige ..
Wow. This was valuable. Thank you. So many videos about this just contain so much chatter with unclear explanations. You explained everything in a concise and straightforwaed manner. Awesome.
Couldn't agree more, Hot Farts
Thank you Paige. I really needed to watch this video. I’m shooting a hinge but I’m rotating it. Thanks again 😊
Great advice about keeping your hand and arm relaxed with the hinge (something I need to remember). I have that Spitfire training device and it is invaluable. I highly recommend it.
I have been working on my back tension thanks so much for the video
Great explanation. Best ive heard so far
Great video. Thanks Paige
Very helpful. I’m shooting a Carter Wise Choice and love it, but feared I may hindering progress. Thanks for the reassurance in using thumb trigger as a hinge. Currently shooting 297-298 on the 5 spot. That 300 is so close. Keep up the videos Paige, great and easy to learn advice👍🏼
1 sign back tension is incorrect is in follow theough. The follow through should not be exaggerated, and it should be the result of good executed shots. What that means is that it shouldn't be something you do consciously. The best analogy I can explain this with is if you have a rope, and you're pulling hard. When the rope snaps, the hand doesn't stay there, instead it continues moving back. Hope this helps some of you!
Thank you Paige!
Wow, I learned so much. Thank you for a great video!
Thank you Paige. I learned a lot from this video.
Really good. Thank you. I was relieved to hear that its normal to mix the two styles depending on the situation and you don't have to be exclusive to one - although back tension should be the predominate way.
die beste video die ich gesehen habe über diese thema 👍
Paige your an awesome teacher you explained this so we'll you are a great coach !
Thank you Paige😊💖
Nice Vid. Paigey!!
Great Video Paige, thanks.
Great Video's Paige!
Great explanation
Well done! Thanks
Well explained! Thanks
Great Video! Thank you!
I got target panic so bad the time clock is not safe if I shoot a trigger.I am training with the Nock On Silverback and even though I still get target anxiety it is forceing me to properly execute a shot.I am not as accurate with a BT release,but I am more consistent with it and I am not launching arrows off the target.This is a great video for people exploring a BT releases.
Great content :) I started shooting a Hinge ( True ball BT Gold) soon after I switched to compound from recurve about 14 years ago. I had target panic so bad I simply could not use a thumb trigger without punching it. Back then people in my club used to laugh at me as no one seemed to use a hinge releases here in the UK and considered them training aids only. Oh how times have changed. I can now shoot any form of release. The hinge release with lots of blank target shooting saved me from quitting the sport all together and really taught me how to use back tension. Many of the people who used to laugh quit years ago, target panic is a killer.
Agreed. I'm battling for years. Switched to a resistance release and has been really helping me...
Awsome video thank you very much !!!
You are awesome, thank you information.
Great info!
awesome content . keep it up!
Great video Paige. Can you do one on shooting up/down angles with a hinge. Seems you need a shorter draw to make it work consistently.
Thank you, very helpfull.
Thank you Paige, very good content here.
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Excellent explanation! clear and concise. The only thing I would add is when using back tension with thumb button or wrist / index finger trigger, spend the money and get ones with independent trigger travel and trigger tension or pressure control.
Linda Beck yes very true! I can’t say it all in one video... because I have separate smaller reviews on products and equipment I’ll be launching haha. I can’t give it all away in one video 😂 but you are 1000% correct!
Thanks for the info Paige. If it wasn't 38 degrees centigrade at the moment i would go outside and give it a go.
thanks you so much !!
I understand what you are saying about back tension "and" I would use that instead of command button [Except] for the fact that I have shoulder issues and can't be steady my darn aim long enough for back tension. 🏹😭👍
Have the trigger style release. Will try more back tension and see. Thanks for the video.
(Btw a mic would help the production quality of your content, though not complaining.)
Nice that helps
Thanks Paige,, I currently use index but am trying to learn thumb button when I'm on with it it's great, I shoot much better. I have a trust issue with my thumb button due to several misfires it's a Fang 3 finger. I want to try a Stan Perfex thumb but have to wait until my favorite pro shop opens so I can try it first before buying.
Thanks again
Awesome! I have never used that Stan. I’m currently shooting the Tru ball blade or goat and I haven’t had any issues with mine 👍🏼
It very well could be me but I want to try another maybe with things opening up I can go to my pro shop and try several ones see what I like. Thanks again
Thank you! Love the videos. Poor Tim. 😢LoL
Dallas Daily haha Tim knows I love him like a dad, that’s why I can pick on him! I was also holding his umbrella at OPA when he won and blanked that target, so I’m never going to let him live it down 😂😂😂
When you shoot back tension on a thumb does the release rotate in your hand like a hinge does
Great explanation of everything. I just switched from index to thumb button and shoot it like a back tension and I love it but I’m not sure about hunting with it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.
I learned this from golf. Please just trust me. Practice does not make perfect. It makes permanent. Practice the wrong things and you'll just get really good at messing it up, which can actually work really well for you. I see a lot of guys shooting, golf and guns and bows oh my. The thing is, you'll have good and bad streaks as well as days. Dont let a bad streak break you from what you know works. That being said, it can be refreshing to try new things just to get your mind right, but in the woods if you're used to a triple blade Muzzy or a Rage Trypan, roll with it. Confidence equals clean and ethical kills.
Paige I have a question, when you shoot the like Mike how many turns clockwise on set screw did you have release set at.
But I can cheat on a hinge too ? I started compound 12 month ago direct with hinge (as I hoped it’s close to my recurve shooting). The first 6 month or so I often forced the release by simple rotate. And boom. After watching more videos I understood how to let the rotation happen by apply back tension and movement backwards. Now I also got a true back-tension release and the accuracy improve quite a bit (but my muscle still need to build up; fatigue quick). Thanks for the video. Great reenforcement of basics and time for self-reflection
Great video! Got a tip for floating the pin effectively? Either my “8” is all over the place or I try to hold solid whole i shoot (which is hard) lol.
Frank Portillo that is actually the video I am releasing Monday :)
with my wrist straps ,chickenwing or regular , i draw , place finger on trigger and use back tension and pulling from my elbow !
Hii paige
Vedio was very useful but i would like if you explained it with live vedio of compound releasing...
great video! one question though, to use back tension in a wrist strap release, would you add or remove all together the trigger ? thanks!
Well a wrist strap has to have a trigger for it to fire. The key is that instead of applying more and more pressure with your index finger you just wrap it around the trigger then don’t move it and pull.
@@PaigePearceinsight . Thanks for replying to my comment! Very much appreciate it. My question was because my index release (just like many others) Has travel and sensitivity/weight adjustments. So, I'm still trying to figure out what combo works better for me: heavy with some travel; or light with no travel; etc.
Thanks!
Good job ..I love you @pearge
Great advice Paige, but I'm a Finger/Clicker shooter. Do you know of any good teachers for my style?
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With the thumb and strap, your finger has to move to release the claws that hold the string don’t they?
Great Video!!! I stopped using a hinge when I saw a top level archer I won't name during 2 livesteamed events launch an arrow on the draw. He also mentioned in a seminar he launches arrows into the rafters a couple times a year. Also, some punch themselves in the face when it accidently goes off and end up with a bloody or broken nose, black eye or broken front tooth. Where I come from having a shot go off unexpectedly, during the draw or letdown (not aimed shot) isn't acceptable and is dangerous. Doing that at a rifle range would probably get you thrown out. Imagine a rifle round leaving the range while shouldering the rifle. Just my thoughts on the hinge which I have many and many thousands of shots using. Not saying not to use one either but something to think about.
Bob Johnson hahaha I’m laughing I was sitting like front row when that happened! 😬 so many people do that with a hinge I’m too scared to use one in competition because of that I would totally dump arrows by accident I’m sure of it lol
@@PaigePearceinsight Paige, Thanks for reading my note!! I also watched a World Archery event where the young archer let one go that went to the left, I heard it hit something tubular and someone go "ahgggggg" almost thinking someone got hit but thankfully didn't. FYI, you're one of my favorite archers to watch!! Glad you were one of them selected in the at home shootoff Chris Wells put together. Also, back in 2012 the head of World Archery discussed getting compound into the Olympics. No more talk since. Olympic Committee has been cutting out events which is disappointing. Hope it can happen sometime. Keep up the great work!!
@@PaigePearceinsight Paige, have a question for you if you don't mind, it's about your bow rear stabilizer. I notice many of the current target bows have a rear stabilizer mount at the bottom of the riser. I see you have your rear stab mounted there. I also noticed Mike Schlosser has his rear mounted with the front just below the grip but it points down. Do you notice more stability with the weight mounted on the bottom, kinda like the ballists in the bottom of a sail boat to keep it from tipping over? Thanks!!
Bob Johnson for me personally I like the weight lower. It feels way heavier the higher you put it on the bow. The weights are all so personalized that I would recommend trying it both ways and see what you think because it’ll definitely give you a different sight picture!
@@PaigePearceinsight Paige, Thanks again for taking the time to answer my question. I never would have thought of your perspective on lower makes the bow feel lighter. Very interesting. I used to have my bow neutral for years to keep from grabbing the grip after the shot. One day I took 1 weight off the back and was able to hold on target with no movement for 3 days. Then I tried to fine tune it and lost the feel and never got it back again. You just gave me motivation to make a new combo stabilizer mount for my target bow. Great info!!
One thing that helps me a whole lot when using the strap on release is an old trick I brought from my gun days. Instead of wrapping your index finger around the release trigger, use the middle of the tip section of your finger, you know, the flesh around your distal phalanges, and apply pressure in the corner between the trigger and housing. It really allows for a smooth release that will usually surprise you fairly well.
Has anyone ever used a TRU Ball Archery Release 3 Finger Max Hunter + Black? It's what I use and like it very much. I don't know how the others shoot but the Max Hunter is a thumb press flat lever not the one with the round thumb thing. Thanks for teaching this I have been waiting for a video like this. I do have one question though, so when I first practice this will I miss the target because I am thinking to much about the action?
John Zarn I have never used that release your talking about.. but just to clarify the round thumb button your referencing on my release can be changed out for all different shapes and sizes. There are flat, round, triangle, fat and skinny, twisty ones, basically there are a ton out there. I shoot the ones from MaTrac archery
So are the back tension and command style for automatic or manual? I was taught to practice shooting till bullseyes become muscle memory, and have accomplished that but this sounds like machinery is added to an automatic bow instead of a straight up pull back, find your spot, and release type of shooting
B.E.S.T Pro tip video I have seen to date on the subject of "Back Tension" release mechanization... It isn't a back tension release unless the right technique is used.
But don't you have to adjust the sensitivity of the release in order for it to be activated effectively? A truBall Fang release has no spring, heavy and medium weight springs and it won't shoot with springs and if it does, it takes ages for it to go off
Two things, first you are correct when you say that the index or pointer finger is more sensitive than the thumb. So why use the index finger at all?? Try the middle finger ,it will give you better alignment, a better anchor using the index knuckle just behind jaw bone below the ear and is about as sensitive as the thumb.
If to command the shot properly you need to put the back tension on and let the pin float. Look for the period stability that will come then trigger the shot. It should require as much attention as clicking a mouse button.
Do you think a laser could ever be used to bow hunt??
John Zarn I mean I don’t know. I doubt it would ever be legal if it was?? I personally wouldn’t choose to use it because I would rather aim with normal sights or a rifle score :)
Hi could you place a link to a hinge?
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I'm learning to hunt because my husband loves it and I want to learn....
So glad I found your channel!!!
Thank you so much!!!!
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Fossil records of ancient bow hunters had bigger shoulder blades on one side or the other
I couldn’t get the hang of hinge I roll a button
I prefer command style
Oops wrong Paige looking for the disc golfer
And Paige you are very beautiful. ;)
I’m a command
Command style shooting is when you are hunting...
And here I thought you were just aiming at a target and pulling a trigger.
Hinge all the way...anything else is just a built in crutch. JMO
I disagree. I have shot a button release back tension forever. Started with a hinge, but scores jumped quite a bit after going to a button.
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I understand.....Complete confidence of steel is hard to come by when using a hinge back tension release. Most have to find a middle ground to be comfortable.
Let me tell you who mastered command style shooting in the compound world. Frak and Becky Pearson. Along with every Olympic recurve shooter. Yeah I sound like an ass here. But i would bet if you contacted cabe at spot hogg archery and bought a hooter shooter you would find out no matter how hard you pull on the release, It will never go off. Your wrist and fingers will not give unless told to do so. I have argued with George, Bernie and many other on this. You should video from the stands and see all the archer do this wrong. They shake like a dog shitting razor blade as they pull. often causing a push pull offset. i would suggest you video your release hand. Or having someone who can detect muscle movement in your release hand. You have to relax one part or nothing will happen. Keep pulling with back tension is a myth. Your only holdig even pressure between your shoulders for true forward and backward motion when the bow goes off.
I also call bullshit on command shooting. Every rifle shooter knows they are applying pressure to the trigger. Same with your release. No index or thumb pressure no shot execution. Sme for a cam over release. What one may call a B.T. release. I know more archer pull with the fingers on the pivot back side to activate this release. The better archers relax the index finger. If you still disbelieve try it . Or ask Sergio who shoots a relaxed thumb from spot hogg. Send us a close up vid of your thumb and wrist or a cam over shot. I can pick it apart to see what moves. Buy the best camera you can afford to show exactly you B.T. methods!
Why do people say panic? Where is the panic? Why are people panicking? I don't understand this is archery. You just practice keeping still and buy a good stab. Why would I want to not know when my shot is going off? I can't wrap my head around this for the life of me. I think after shooting for 20 years its like teaching an old dog new tricks lol
Kind of disappointing... You just say "establish your grip, set your finger/thumb never and don't move it again," (nothing/no info) "push, pull, and the shot goes off!" Nobody on RUclips does a proper job of explaining how, once your trigger finger is locked in place, that finger is ever going to cause the shot to go off. I infer that you're just digging the body of the release in to the flesh of your grip digits, (or wrist strap in to your wrist fat,) that little bit of extra movement actuates the trigger on your motionless finger or thumb.
I mean I have videos on multiple platforms talking all about form, release execution etc. this was one of the first videos I ever made. So sorry if it’s not up to your standards lol. I can’t tell people everything in one video. Hence making a lot of smaller videos with more detailed info. Most of my stuff is on Fb and insta. I’m just now coming back to RUclips so I’ll be making more stuff soon.