Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. The S2400 is holding up very well. It's become a staple in all my songs. It's where everything starts and has added SO much thickness, punch, and groove to my drums and samples. It's so integral in fact I just pre-ordered another to keep as a backup!
Informative video.. And the notion of true bypass between the ins/outs on the 2400 is something I didn't know. That's wild stuff - and likely implemented for live performance looping.with overdubbing, (8:55 Macintosh doesn't require a intermediary app like ASIO - rather it just works out of the box). Interesting technique for importing choke groups. (I'm glad Isla wrote alternate channels into the os - in reality most drum samples are snappy and short - but not everyone uses it this way and deals with longer samples)
Very true! However I think even with someone simple beats there will inevitably be some choke group gating effects going on. I’m sure as people’s productions get more and more complex they’ll want to start employing this technique for tracking their songs too. I’m glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful! Cheers!
@@ScottBrio Agreed. I haven't had any unintentional cutouts happen yet, but I mostly use it as a vintage drum machine. I can see it happen to people who use it under heavy load, with loops galore and synths with a longer ADSR.
@@ScottBrio Yes sir - only concurrent sounds. Never do I have 9 sounds playing concurrently. Space is where the money is. Not clutter. As guitarists say "it's the notes you don't play". The Prophet 5 synthesizer of 1979-1983 was the most magical synth in history. 5-note poly. I don't think the Isla S2400 is made to be the sole instrument in a track.
can you also just make sure the choke elements are on different output groups that way you can record both at the same time? Not at my 2400 and I just got it a few days ago so not sure. So hi hat 1 on out 5 and hi hat 2 on out 6 but both on choke 1. Then record out 5 and 6 to separate tracks. I personally never use choke groups. I just do it manually with envelope parameter locks etc when I want that to happen. Choking does too many weird things in any gear I have. Maybe I'm just weird.
Isla Instruments has tutorials on their RUclips on how to MIDI to your PC using USB. It's pretty easy. As for MIDI your keyboard to the S2400- if it's a traditional MIDI keyboard, just plug in a MIDI cable from the out to the MIDI input of the S2400. If it's a USB MIDI cable, you'll have to get your DAW working with MIDI over USB first, then use your DAW/keyboard to send MIDI to the S2400.
So, I haven't had much time to experiment with the outputs since the latest firmware update, but as far as I know we're still limited to 8 outputs via USB, correct? I made the video primarily because I wanted to show how to preserve the choke effects if you've got more tracks than outputs. Forgive my ignorance, but what would setting each track to L/R mixed vs stereo do differently?
Only issue i find with this is that with every new sample thats loaded you need to change from stereo to l&r mixed, as i cant find a way to make that default
Not sure if I’m missing something or the machine worked differently before, but I can just record 8 separate tracks over usb at the same time, each containing a single sound (or combination of sounds) and the mute groups still working even if things are on different tracks.. Is there still any benefit to the method you describe with the current firmware?
Well, on the S2400 we have 32 pads, 16 voices, and 10 USB outputs. You can track your sounds in like you described, but I prefer having every sound (all 32 pads or however many I’m using in a song) tracked into my DAW individually. There’s two reasons I track into Ableton the way I do in this video: 1: I want every sound individually tracked 2: Using the [Solo] function seems to stop the choke groups from working, meaning that by solo’ing a sound and recording it into your DAW, the choke effect is not retained between sounds. By using the volume faders (like in the video) you do in fact retain the choke effect. There have been firmware updates since I created this video and I haven’t verified that this is still the case, but it’s still how I track the S2400 into Ableton. Mostly out of habit now. Hope this helps.
@@ScottBrio thanks for explaining, I understand your reasoning! Using the faders instead of the solo buttons is s smart trick. I think I’ve conditioned myself to always aim for about 8 mixable individual tracks by using elektron machines for so long.
@@Musical.Maze.1 No prob! Nope- the tray top has a metal lip and the S2400 feet hang on it just perfectly. I've smacked it around a bunch and it hasn't even hinted at falling off :)
If I get this right you are not seperating each sample with each voice you are stacking multiple instruments into each voice or something like that in order to create a more technical song? Seems alittle silly... I think I get it but maybe I'm not getting it correctly. I would use this guy with each drum sample on each voice or... kick and snare on one, hi-hats on another, then samplers on the rest with a bass on a separate one. If I had to share a voice with other samples I could see this being useful which I guess in the future it will happen. In the mpc's I guess I dont really have to think of it. I usually put all my drums in one groups and export them together instead of exploding the track into separate tracks. The separation of each drum instrument give total control but having them smashed together with say a glue compressor can give it a nice sound as long as there eq'd before recorded into the device(unless the sp2400 has eq).
This tutorial is to show you how to get each sound on each pad/track to export properly to your DAW. IE: if you have two pads with choke groups, it will still retain the choking effect when you record your stems for mixing. You can record all of them together but for proper professional mixes, you want each sound isolated.
@@teqnotic ah, well it's not as much of an issue or bug as much as it is just the way it's designed. It's based on the original SP1200 so I imagine tracking sounds into the DAW with that would have the same process too. With the new OS update, you can assign tracks, have more voices (16 now) and assign choke groups. While we now have more control, as far as I can tell you've still got to track things out one-by-one using the fader gains as I show in this video if you want to properly track things out for mixing. It's a bit of a process but USB audio makes it much easier and the sound and workflow of the S2400 is so incredibly good that it makes it a non-issue in my opinion- just a part of the process.
@@mblyster649 I made these ones out of piano black acrylic plastic. The black ones Isla Instruments makes are the original aluminum ends with black powder coating I believe. Super nice, but I prefer the thickness of these. It’s similar to the thickness of their wood ends and a bit warmer to the touch.
Has the process for tracking improved since this video?
Great, just got my s2400, look forward to trying this. Incredible machine.
great vid, super useful walkthrough!
Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it! 🙌🏼
Very detailed video!
How is the s2400 holding up? Is it still worth picking up?
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
The S2400 is holding up very well. It's become a staple in all my songs. It's where everything starts and has added SO much thickness, punch, and groove to my drums and samples.
It's so integral in fact I just pre-ordered another to keep as a backup!
Informative video.. And the notion of true bypass between the ins/outs on the 2400 is something I didn't know. That's wild stuff - and likely implemented for live performance looping.with overdubbing, (8:55 Macintosh doesn't require a intermediary app like ASIO - rather it just works out of the box). Interesting technique for importing choke groups. (I'm glad Isla wrote alternate channels into the os - in reality most drum samples are snappy and short - but not everyone uses it this way and deals with longer samples)
Very true! However I think even with someone simple beats there will inevitably be some choke group gating effects going on. I’m sure as people’s productions get more and more complex they’ll want to start employing this technique for tracking their songs too. I’m glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful! Cheers!
@@ScottBrio Agreed. I haven't had any unintentional cutouts happen yet, but I mostly use it as a vintage drum machine. I can see it happen to people who use it under heavy load, with loops galore and synths with a longer ADSR.
@@station2station544 ah yeah, only really happens when you start packing it with sounds. Past 8 sounds things start choking 😄
@@ScottBrio Yes sir - only concurrent sounds. Never do I have 9 sounds playing concurrently. Space is where the money is. Not clutter. As guitarists say "it's the notes you don't play". The Prophet 5 synthesizer of 1979-1983 was the most magical synth in history. 5-note poly. I don't think the Isla S2400 is made to be the sole instrument in a track.
I'm looking for a s2400 cover solution like a deksaver but nothing yet.
Wouldn't you pan the sounds so tge mono ones are separated and the stereo ones aren't?
can you also just make sure the choke elements are on different output groups that way you can record both at the same time? Not at my 2400 and I just got it a few days ago so not sure. So hi hat 1 on out 5 and hi hat 2 on out 6 but both on choke 1. Then record out 5 and 6 to separate tracks. I personally never use choke groups. I just do it manually with envelope parameter locks etc when I want that to happen. Choking does too many weird things in any gear I have. Maybe I'm just weird.
nice setup 😍
Yo bro, can u tell me how to run or midi my s2400 to my computer and my keyboard or how to run my keyboard directly into the s2400
Isla Instruments has tutorials on their RUclips on how to MIDI to your PC using USB. It's pretty easy.
As for MIDI your keyboard to the S2400- if it's a traditional MIDI keyboard, just plug in a MIDI cable from the out to the MIDI input of the S2400.
If it's a USB MIDI cable, you'll have to get your DAW working with MIDI over USB first, then use your DAW/keyboard to send MIDI to the S2400.
Hey man, to get multitrack working over usb to seperate channels you could set each track setting on the s2400 to l&r mixed instead of stereo ☺️
So, I haven't had much time to experiment with the outputs since the latest firmware update, but as far as I know we're still limited to 8 outputs via USB, correct?
I made the video primarily because I wanted to show how to preserve the choke effects if you've got more tracks than outputs.
Forgive my ignorance, but what would setting each track to L/R mixed vs stereo do differently?
@@ScottBrio 10 outputs total over usb where output 1 & 2 seems to be mix out and analog inputs/sampling. So tracks 1 to 8 starts from input 3 to 10
Only issue i find with this is that with every new sample thats loaded you need to change from stereo to l&r mixed, as i cant find a way to make that default
Not sure if I’m missing something or the machine worked differently before, but I can just record 8 separate tracks over usb at the same time, each containing a single sound (or combination of sounds) and the mute groups still working even if things are on different tracks.. Is there still any benefit to the method you describe with the current firmware?
Well, on the S2400 we have 32 pads, 16 voices, and 10 USB outputs. You can track your sounds in like you described, but I prefer having every sound (all 32 pads or however many I’m using in a song) tracked into my DAW individually.
There’s two reasons I track into Ableton the way I do in this video:
1: I want every sound individually tracked
2: Using the [Solo] function seems to stop the choke groups from working, meaning that by solo’ing a sound and recording it into your DAW, the choke effect is not retained between sounds. By using the volume faders (like in the video) you do in fact retain the choke effect.
There have been firmware updates since I created this video and I haven’t verified that this is still the case, but it’s still how I track the S2400 into Ableton. Mostly out of habit now.
Hope this helps.
@@ScottBrio thanks for explaining, I understand your reasoning! Using the faders instead of the solo buttons is s smart trick. I think I’ve conditioned myself to always aim for about 8 mixable individual tracks by using elektron machines for so long.
Hi... The S2400 sits on a custom made stand or what kind of brand? Thanks for the video!
Hi there! My S2400 is sitting on the Amazon Basic’s laptop stand. Fits great! Glad you enjoyed the video!
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@@ScottBrio Τhanks for the reply.... I just saw it... S2400 doesn't slip when you have it in that angle?
@@Musical.Maze.1 No prob! Nope- the tray top has a metal lip and the S2400 feet hang on it just perfectly. I've smacked it around a bunch and it hasn't even hinted at falling off :)
If I get this right you are not seperating each sample with each voice you are stacking multiple instruments into each voice or something like that in order to create a more technical song? Seems alittle silly... I think I get it but maybe I'm not getting it correctly. I would use this guy with each drum sample on each voice or... kick and snare on one, hi-hats on another, then samplers on the rest with a bass on a separate one. If I had to share a voice with other samples I could see this being useful which I guess in the future it will happen. In the mpc's I guess I dont really have to think of it. I usually put all my drums in one groups and export them together instead of exploding the track into separate tracks. The separation of each drum instrument give total control but having them smashed together with say a glue compressor can give it a nice sound as long as there eq'd before recorded into the device(unless the sp2400 has eq).
This tutorial is to show you how to get each sound on each pad/track to export properly to your DAW. IE: if you have two pads with choke groups, it will still retain the choking effect when you record your stems for mixing. You can record all of them together but for proper professional mixes, you want each sound isolated.
Has the mute issue been resolved with the latest firmware:2022-02-24
?
What is the mute issue?
@@ScottBrio I meant choke
@@teqnotic ah, well it's not as much of an issue or bug as much as it is just the way it's designed. It's based on the original SP1200 so I imagine tracking sounds into the DAW with that would have the same process too.
With the new OS update, you can assign tracks, have more voices (16 now) and assign choke groups. While we now have more control, as far as I can tell you've still got to track things out one-by-one using the fader gains as I show in this video if you want to properly track things out for mixing.
It's a bit of a process but USB audio makes it much easier and the sound and workflow of the S2400 is so incredibly good that it makes it a non-issue in my opinion- just a part of the process.
are those black side panels?
Yessir :)
@@ScottBrio nice! I want them but don’t see them for sale on isla instruments website
@@mblyster649 I made these ones out of piano black acrylic plastic. The black ones Isla Instruments makes are the original aluminum ends with black powder coating I believe. Super nice, but I prefer the thickness of these. It’s similar to the thickness of their wood ends and a bit warmer to the touch.
@@ScottBrio Looks good man & thanks for the reply. keep these tutorials coming because ur good at what u do
@@mblyster649 Hey thanks man, I'm glad you're finding them helpful! Cheers! 🙌
Wow,………why?
Haha why what??
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