Kevin. I have been using your rates for about a year. Thank you so much for having this conversation. It is so important for someone who does things differently than the norm to share their experience with others. No other big name pilot runs that kind of expo, and mostly, people follow what the top pilots do, and would never think to try so much expo. I need that expo to be smooth, just like you. It’s kind of like, you telling us how you do it, gives others permission to try it. Didn’t mean to get philosophical... but seriously, Thanks!
I am an intermediate freestyle pilot. This was the best informational video I have seen in a while. You just connected a whole lot of learning dots for me. Great Video Stingy!
Stingy! your timing is impeccable... I've been rocking your "old rates" pretty much since you published your PID tuning video so many months ago. Lately, i've been thinking "maybe I should dial them back a little bit at the ends, and give myself a little more in the middle"... and then wham! you post a new video, with new rates, and the result is exactly what i was looking for. Oh, and dude! you were totally SLAYING it at the end of the video. nice flying man!
I am a few months into the sport, and this is the first video that the rates system has made sense to me. Thank you Stingy! I am buying a forged V2 asap! I'm going to use it for a long range set up!
That last flight footage was awesome! I flies thumbs also and will never be a pincher. Flight time will always make you better pincher or not does not matter. We are all different and see and react differently and thumbs works great for me. I will be trying your rates stinger so thank you for taking the time on this experiment.
Good to see you back! And fixing those crazy rates. First 30 min video that I've watched all the way through in a while! Good job. Would like to see a "Tuning with Stingy pt. 2" with some of the new Betaflight functions and tuning approach.
top vs. bottom, the tuning method is the same. It's Betaflight that has changed so much that I believe a new process with new flight symptoms is needed to effectively tune to the new degree that is possible.
the way i found my rates was to set up a 3 positions switch where at position 1 there`s my usual rates and on the other 2 something different. I can switch rates while i`m fling and feel the difference without landing and plug it into bf. It`s a long process especially because i don`t make huge differences between profiles but after few days of testing i was able to find the way i like. On top of that, rates are very personal thing... ...is about your sensitivity and not just a numbers. Thanks Kevin to bring up this topic. Is great to see you back on your channel! Keep going!!!!
One thing that works pretty well to help people understand it all is to try all this in a SIM. I happened to find this video after doing almost all the same things this morning in Velocidrone. I recently changed up all my rates after spending another morning experimenting on the sim. I feel like I suddenly fly a lot better. Also I tried some orbit races in Velocidrone and discovered my silky smooth rates were useless for that so now I have a solid super smooth freestyle and very different race Rate Profiles. I'm still waiting for betaflight 4.2 though as I've seen how it has multiple methods of setting up rates now. I happened to come to nearly the same conclusion as you Stingy - very similar rates, then I pulled up RUclips and this video was randomly suggested by the algorithm .... spooky LOL.
My rates I have been using for well over a year where very close to the rates you found in making this video, but after watching you praise these rates I had to try them. I have to admit these rates ROCK if you are a freestyle type of guy looking for smoothness. My video to come using these rates. Thanks man !!
Very good info here. I tweaked with my Vortex150 in a similar fashion before I found where I was happy. Only been fpv since Xmas after flying DJI for years. This was a Good instructional without any annoying bits that are in soooooo many vids. Nice job.
Thank you so much for doing this latest work on finding ur rates for I am locked in a for the first time in my short career in fpv really helped a fellow Atlanta brother out !!!!
These work a treat. I have a new Oblivion and I had turned the rates down to get used to it. I used the exact same rates in the vid and BOOM!! Nice job and understand more now. The roll / flip speed at full stick is awesome but slow flips and rolls are so easy. Nice job & Thanks. Just like Mr Bardwell's vid's......I have learned something.
I was using about 1200 degree also and having similar problems. I actually tried your new rates and liked them. I may play with them some more but thanks so much for a very good set to tweak.
Night and day difference between the last clips of this video and the "Pack From the Past" video you just put up. I've been running 1200 deg/sec and expo heavy (1.2/0.8/0.4) and while I'm comfortable with it, I might do some experimenting! Great video, man.
Thanks for this video. I had been flying rates almost exactly like what you previously were flying. I had been thinking of trying to tone them down a little bit but hadn't done it yet. Well after how you described what you were wanting and what you found the (1.10, .78, .2) rates you came up with sounded really close to what I was looking for. Threw those on my quads today and am loving the feel of it. Definitely having to adjust for the fact that rolls and flips aren't quite as quick but the extra precision I have now has made tricks that require a 1/2 roll or something like that so much cleaner. They used to look really sloppy because I couldn't seem to help over rotating.
Hey Kevin, I started FPV 9 months ago with your rates that I got from your PID tuning video. At some point I felt exactly what you described here... it was great at center stick and at max deflection, but the transition in the middle was killing me. When I needed quick corrections I would always "under-correct" and then "over-correct" it, into a crash usually!! I gradually moved to a more linear curve but keeping the "max degrees per second" the same. For now I am happy with 1.6 RC Rate and 0.72 Super Expo.
I just tried them out and after flying pretty linear rates for the last year, these feel much smoother, which is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the video.
By the way great choice in song ... And dude I don't know how many nails you put in that coffin but you killed it... Keep up the great work glad to see you're progressing
This is exactly the kick in the butt I needed to get back in and check my rates! I've wanted smoother and wondered about how often I wind up in the endpoints... Heck, yes! Good talk!
I’m also a thumber (the only one out of my friends). I need more expo than they do and also believe it adds some smoothness where I would otherwise would make the quad twitchy. Thanks so much for letting us hear your thoughts as you were processing how to re-tune. 👊🏻
I've been trying to find my rates for almost a year, finally found what u liked a month ago. Just opened betaflight to get my rates to share with you at the same time you inputted them. I run .9 on rc and .83 on super with no expo. This puts me 1059deg/s. Great flying man, always enjoy your stuff!
Man these rates are out of the park!! I normally run a higher RC rate around 1.5 and then adjust Superrate to get the degrees per second that I'm after. But your approach with the lower RC rate and higher Superrate man it is so much smoother. I feel much more confident and I'm trying things that I would normally talk myself out of trying. Many thanks for sharing this!
13:11 seems the best rates to me. Your style improved, was very consistent with less mistakes and overshoots. Will def. try those (1.1, 0.78, 1000, 0.2)
Hey Stingy, great video. Practical approach and a real time-saver for you to document all the results of the different tests. I've been flying the rates you picked out all weekend, pretty similar experience. You can be really precise, helps on very exact yaw movements. Need to remember that on sudden small changes though - those need a bit more throw. Had a friend over last night who is learning on the sim, he plugged them into velocidrone and was doing well with them too. Thanks again for the work on this one =) PS: I think there is room to revisit BF tuning.. Basically a tuning video for the "stock BF is so gud" world. IE how to start the tuning process with updated BF 3.3+, dynamic filtering, AG, TPA etc. Similar approach would work well - what to look for when you test, iterations, etc. Can hit up "common issues" that you can actually fix with PIDs - IE can you tune out this propwash vs learning to fly around it. Hey, tune up a Stingy 6" or any "big prop" build and talk mid-throttle vibrations, I know some folks struggle with that
Mr D!!! I had to give your dream rates a shot in the simulator.... holy crap... going to slap these rates onto my quad the next time I am out... Like the best of all worlds.... sooo nice!!! Thank you so much for sharing!!! If you're ever in Toronto, I owe you a beer, or frosty coffee bev of your choice!
It helps so much to see your thought process when you're trying to get the quad to behave the way you want. I learned a lot! Charging my batteries now!
I actually just copied and pasted your previous rates as I learned to fly. I’m going to give this method a shot on figuring out what I like for me personally! Thanks bro
Thanks for the video/advice regarding rates, A couple of more steps taken towards the understanding of setting up a hand built quad to operate per the owner/pilots preference! All that is left is to get this type of understanding with PID tuning:)
When I watch your footage I always notice that your quad is very twitchy! I always thought it was because of the bottom mounted battery, but now you are running the Stingy. The last video you posted is a perfect example of this.
Settling down in foreign rates can take a day or too (just like fps games) also, you can overshoot the desired rate change, really try to rip that for a couple packs, and then try the change you wanted to try out, it can help you adapt faster and own the new rates quicker so you can see if you actually like them.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts & process Kevin! You have a great way of explaining what we can try... I also have been flying very similar high rates with large expo... I'm a pincher, but Going to have another tweaking session to go lower overall, with similar expo too.
Gone for a minute?!!!! No worries, quality over quantity! I still send people to your PID tuning video at the stables last year. Really got me started on tuning and black box. I of course started with 1276 deg/sec, cause you want to go fast as a newbie. Now my rates are about where you ended up! I must be learning!
Love your stuff bro ! We're all just out here trying to fly. It's also in the sticks . . . All in the sticks . But if everything else isn't right you will never get where you want to be, thanks for the video !
Your rates are now almost identical to mine. It’s hard to find that sweet spot between being to twitchy and dull at the low end without sacrificing that snap at full deflection.
Awsome! I love you dude =D Now i can tune the rates in my quads because of you and they flies GREATE! Done it with my micros now and cant wait untill i can try the new tune on my 5" tomorrow outside! Sharing this vid now to all my friends =D
Great video man. I like how you took time to really go through all the combos you could think. Not enough people do that or know the correlation between your tune and rates. And that last video was forking butter man... But I do really like the old really fast snap roll stingy. 😆👍🏼
150/70 is exactly what I fly :) I started about where you are with a curve...but slowly , little by little kept squeezing out the curve so I had more resolution thru the whole stick throw. I always kept my end points the same..just squeezed away the "curve"
Good method for finding the right setup. Great voice too, but you really need wind protection for that mic! Had to turn volume way down. I really enjoyed your final flight. Smoothness is incredibly satisfying! (Running 400deg/s with good expo, looove slow proximity flying)
Hey man, great video. I've been experimenting with rates recently after feeling that my last video was far too wobbly! I've been trying different combinations of d setpoint transition and d setpoint weight and it made such a difference! I'm hoping I've found those Goldilocks rates for me. Next to study your PID tuning videos and find that crispy tune!
What a killer backdrop for a technical video! That sky,and reflection! I'm jealous,but not confident enough to fly that close to expensive windows....yet lol.
I miss the "Hi i`m kevin, im going to powerloop this impossible tight, blind entry obstacle, in mach 1 until i make it or destroy it" video`s! Please bring back Crazy-Kevin :)
I still do the crazy things check out 24:23, or my last video. The problem is I don't struggle with them so much. Usually when I get a crazy idea like that I hit it first or second try and sometimes in a longer line. I guess I've progressed with consistency. I do miss the old gear bashing try hard accomplishments too though.
To hell with that, I'm gonna go back and try to recreate a couple. I'd like to know if I still would struggle on some of those still. Thanks for the idea.
@@stingersswarm Hey Kevin! at @24:55 I though (and maybe you should!!!) pass through your car window to window or rear open door. Do it!! 👍 👍 👍 BTW, I tried your approach to set my Velocidrone (I am just getting into FPV Quards.... theres the DJI googles and 2 drones on their way.... but first, the SIM and the TinyHawk). well, I was saying, I tried your settings and now it is way more controllable for me. Thanks!!!!!
You have nothing to lose by adding Kevins new rates into a second RateProfile on BetaFlight and select it with your SmartAudio while out flying and give it a go, I'm going to try them with my GT R349's and see what they are like. I seemed to have lost my perfect rates and I am waffling about going from too wired to too soft, its bloody hard to find that balance. I want smooth cruise and moderate fast rolls and flips, not Mr Steele fast.. thanks Kevin, good vid, really keen to try these in a few hours. Just waiting for that big orange thing to come over the horizon, the first place in the world to see the sunrise in 2020, just starting now. (NZ).
For trying different rates, just program them on a switch so if something is too wonkey, you can easily switch back to what you were comfortable with previously.
Watched the whole video-really interesting-have to say from a spectators point of view best rates were high expo at 800..was a lovely viewing experience silky smooth..up at a 1000 the flips/rolls do that ‘flash flip’ thingy that makes me feel sick and there’s a brief period of disoriented which makes the video feel lumpy-great vid xxx 👍🏻💕🇬🇧
I have been working toward a similar buttery feel, and I use higher deg/second. (1200ish). I found that adjusting D Setpoint weight and transition really helped me tone down mid stick response.
my rule of thumb on rates has been set the Deg/sec fast enough to feel fast, but slow enough that i can tell when my flip or roll is about to complete and i can reduce the stick and decelerate the move to make it smooth. if i can anticipate the end of the move im less likely to over compensate and get wiggles. i still wiggle from time to time but i think its mostly because im not comfy with the environment.
Hey Stingy ! one thing i would like to add, that you can try. Try lowering your yaw rate. This would make the quad even more predicable and you can coordinate your rolls even more precisely without adding any more expo or sacrificing that snappiness you need at full deflection for roll and pitch. Unless you do really aggressive yaw moves you dont need to be at 1000degs/sec for yaw. Try a RC 1.0 and a Super at 0.7 which puts you around 666deg/s for yaw. Leave the rest the same. It will feel natural and more controllable.
Good stuff Kevin, I found this all out from playing with the rates on Velocidrone sim. I discovered that if you raise the RC rate to 1.3 and the super to .8, you end up with the 1200 ish DPS total but with lots of expo in the curve. I did not add any extra expo but still have that super smooth locked in feeling at low stick inputs and yet snappy fast rolls and flips, and it seems that it is easier to transition out of the roll or flip smooth and level.
Literally was discussing this with a friend yesterday, and here is an actual practical demonstration for me to digest with breakfast! Thanks for that, going to go experiment now....:-)
Funnily enough I actually tried your rates (old now) last weekend, flew for 30 mins with them on the sim to get used to them before flying a few packs and loved the increased softness on the centre.
Tuning rates it's difficult but you make it easy, actually seeing what does what helps a lot, more I I what I need to change to get the "wonky" out of center stick. I think I would like your rates
For the people out there scaning the video to his final setup: 20:51
Thanks for the vid!
Good looking out.
@@stingersswarm what about feedforwad? :D
I'd rather see what hes doing then to fast forward just for his rates.....
Thank YOU
@@mafiafpv3469 unless you've watched it multiple times and just appreciate a quick jump to the final rates.
Every new build i do I always gotta come back to this video for like 2 years. Thx again
Kevin. I have been using your rates for about a year. Thank you so much for having this conversation. It is so important for someone who does things differently than the norm to share their experience with others. No other big name pilot runs that kind of expo, and mostly, people follow what the top pilots do, and would never think to try so much expo. I need that expo to be smooth, just like you. It’s kind of like, you telling us how you do it, gives others permission to try it.
Didn’t mean to get philosophical... but seriously,
Thanks!
The beard is a keeper, great to have a job that you don't have to scrape your face for! Good to see you back Stingy
I am an intermediate freestyle pilot. This was the best informational video I have seen in a while. You just connected a whole lot of learning dots for me. Great Video Stingy!
Stingy! your timing is impeccable... I've been rocking your "old rates" pretty much since you published your PID tuning video so many months ago. Lately, i've been thinking "maybe I should dial them back a little bit at the ends, and give myself a little more in the middle"... and then wham! you post a new video, with new rates, and the result is exactly what i was looking for.
Oh, and dude! you were totally SLAYING it at the end of the video. nice flying man!
Best half hour I've had in a while! Great video! Keep the content coming!
I am a few months into the sport, and this is the first video that the rates system has made sense to me. Thank you Stingy! I am buying a forged V2 asap! I'm going to use it for a long range set up!
Thanks Stingy for the effort you took to explain expo, rates and super rates! It was very instructive and helpful to me!
That last flight footage was awesome! I flies thumbs also and will never be a pincher. Flight time will always make you better pincher or not does not matter. We are all different and see and react differently and thumbs works great for me. I will be trying your rates stinger so thank you for taking the time on this experiment.
Between you and Josh Bardwell, I've learned a ton in the last hour. Not new to RC but a total newbie to FPV and Betaflight
Good to see you back! And fixing those crazy rates. First 30 min video that I've watched all the way through in a while! Good job. Would like to see a "Tuning with Stingy pt. 2" with some of the new Betaflight functions and tuning approach.
Aaron Garmon yeah I agree, his previous tuning video was a bottom mount pack, he flies top mount theses days 👍😁
top vs. bottom, the tuning method is the same. It's Betaflight that has changed so much that I believe a new process with new flight symptoms is needed to effectively tune to the new degree that is possible.
the way i found my rates was to set up a 3 positions switch where at position 1 there`s my usual rates and on the other 2 something different. I can switch rates while i`m fling and feel the difference without landing and plug it into bf. It`s a long process especially because i don`t make huge differences between profiles but after few days of testing i was able to find the way i like. On top of that, rates are very personal thing... ...is about your sensitivity and not just a numbers. Thanks Kevin to bring up this topic. Is great to see you back on your channel! Keep going!!!!
One thing that works pretty well to help people understand it all is to try all this in a SIM.
I happened to find this video after doing almost all the same things this morning in Velocidrone. I recently changed up all my rates after spending another morning experimenting on the sim. I feel like I suddenly fly a lot better. Also I tried some orbit races in Velocidrone and discovered my silky smooth rates were useless for that so now I have a solid super smooth freestyle and very different race Rate Profiles.
I'm still waiting for betaflight 4.2 though as I've seen how it has multiple methods of setting up rates now.
I happened to come to nearly the same conclusion as you Stingy - very similar rates, then I pulled up RUclips and this video was randomly suggested by the algorithm .... spooky LOL.
My rates I have been using for well over a year where very close to the rates you found in making this video, but after watching you praise these rates I had to try them. I have to admit these rates ROCK if you are a freestyle type of guy looking for smoothness. My video to come using these rates. Thanks man !!
Very good info here. I tweaked with my Vortex150 in a similar fashion before I found where I was happy. Only been fpv since Xmas after flying DJI for years. This was a Good instructional without any annoying bits that are in soooooo many vids. Nice job.
Stingy, thanks for taking the time to go through these setups and demo the results.
Dude, I did this today for about an hour...This was actually pretty awesome. I ended up with almost the exact rates. It is so smooth. Thank you!
Thank you so much for doing this latest work on finding ur rates for I am locked in a for the first time in my short career in fpv really helped a fellow Atlanta brother out !!!!
These work a treat. I have a new Oblivion and I had turned the rates down to get used to it. I used the exact same rates in the vid and BOOM!! Nice job and understand more now. The roll / flip speed at full stick is awesome but slow flips and rolls are so easy. Nice job & Thanks. Just like Mr Bardwell's vid's......I have learned something.
I was using about 1200 degree also and having similar problems. I actually tried your new rates and liked them. I may play with them some more but thanks so much for a very good set to tweak.
Night and day difference between the last clips of this video and the "Pack From the Past" video you just put up. I've been running 1200 deg/sec and expo heavy (1.2/0.8/0.4) and while I'm comfortable with it, I might do some experimenting! Great video, man.
At 19:16 that's the exact rates I have on my 3 inch race build. I love the way it flys. Sooo smooth especially on butterflight hehe.
Thanks for this video. I had been flying rates almost exactly like what you previously were flying. I had been thinking of trying to tone them down a little bit but hadn't done it yet. Well after how you described what you were wanting and what you found the (1.10, .78, .2) rates you came up with sounded really close to what I was looking for. Threw those on my quads today and am loving the feel of it. Definitely having to adjust for the fact that rolls and flips aren't quite as quick but the extra precision I have now has made tricks that require a 1/2 roll or something like that so much cleaner. They used to look really sloppy because I couldn't seem to help over rotating.
Hey Kevin, I started FPV 9 months ago with your rates that I got from your PID tuning video. At some point I felt exactly what you described here... it was great at center stick and at max deflection, but the transition in the middle was killing me. When I needed quick corrections I would always "under-correct" and then "over-correct" it, into a crash usually!! I gradually moved to a more linear curve but keeping the "max degrees per second" the same. For now I am happy with 1.6 RC Rate and 0.72 Super Expo.
I just tried them out and after flying pretty linear rates for the last year, these feel much smoother, which is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the video.
By the way great choice in song ... And dude I don't know how many nails you put in that coffin but you killed it... Keep up the great work glad to see you're progressing
thanks very much for the video .. lots of infos learned fom watrching this. Lov the lst flights towards the end of the clip. Keep it coming bro.
This is exactly the kick in the butt I needed to get back in and check my rates! I've wanted smoother and wondered about how often I wind up in the endpoints... Heck, yes! Good talk!
Stingy comes out, looks younger with the new do and beard, and yet speaks with wisdom of the ages. Hell yeah, welcome back.
I’m also a thumber (the only one out of my friends). I need more expo than they do and also believe it adds some smoothness where I would otherwise would make the quad twitchy.
Thanks so much for letting us hear your thoughts as you were processing how to re-tune. 👊🏻
Loving your rates, well close. Feels very flowy, feels like I’m gonna crash sometimes but it’s so smooth. At about 850-900 rates. 🤙 thanks bud.
I've been trying to find my rates for almost a year, finally found what u liked a month ago. Just opened betaflight to get my rates to share with you at the same time you inputted them. I run .9 on rc and .83 on super with no expo. This puts me 1059deg/s. Great flying man, always enjoy your stuff!
Man these rates are out of the park!!
I normally run a higher RC rate around 1.5 and then adjust Superrate to get the degrees per second that I'm after.
But your approach with the lower RC rate and higher Superrate man it is so much smoother. I feel much more confident and I'm trying things that I would normally talk myself out of trying.
Many thanks for sharing this!
This was awesome!! Now I understand rates WAY better. Yeah!
Amazing. Awesome that even as a pro pilot, you still keep learning. Love your vids Stingy. Your PID video is my go to as well.
Awesome, your final rates are what I've been flying for a while now and they were inspired off of your original rates lol
That fade and the beard are majestic AF. Good to have you back!
13:11 seems the best rates to me. Your style improved, was very consistent with less mistakes and overshoots. Will def. try those (1.1, 0.78, 1000, 0.2)
Hey Stingy, great video. Practical approach and a real time-saver for you to document all the results of the different tests. I've been flying the rates you picked out all weekend, pretty similar experience. You can be really precise, helps on very exact yaw movements. Need to remember that on sudden small changes though - those need a bit more throw. Had a friend over last night who is learning on the sim, he plugged them into velocidrone and was doing well with them too.
Thanks again for the work on this one =)
PS: I think there is room to revisit BF tuning.. Basically a tuning video for the "stock BF is so gud" world.
IE how to start the tuning process with updated BF 3.3+, dynamic filtering, AG, TPA etc. Similar approach would work well - what to look for when you test, iterations, etc. Can hit up "common issues" that you can actually fix with PIDs - IE can you tune out this propwash vs learning to fly around it. Hey, tune up a Stingy 6" or any "big prop" build and talk mid-throttle vibrations, I know some folks struggle with that
Super helpful video. I'm pretty new to flying and trying to find my own sweet spot so stuff like this helps a lot. Thanks!
Mr D!!! I had to give your dream rates a shot in the simulator.... holy crap... going to slap these rates onto my quad the next time I am out... Like the best of all worlds.... sooo nice!!! Thank you so much for sharing!!! If you're ever in Toronto, I owe you a beer, or frosty coffee bev of your choice!
It helps so much to see your thought process when you're trying to get the quad to behave the way you want. I learned a lot! Charging my batteries now!
I actually just copied and pasted your previous rates as I learned to fly. I’m going to give this method a shot on figuring out what I like for me personally! Thanks bro
hey man dont be slacking i really respect your opinion and love your videos your a great talker and teacher. keep us fed with vids
Sweet video. You made me nervous just watching how close to the building you got...lol.. Fun to watch!
Only been flying for few months .. settled in to rates almost exactly where you did .. it clicked and felt right to me
i did some fiddling but overall got amazed by my new rates, will probably tune them down a bit. thanks alot man ;)
Thanks for the video/advice regarding rates, A couple of more steps taken towards the understanding of setting up a hand built quad to operate per the owner/pilots preference! All that is left is to get this type of understanding with PID tuning:)
When I watch your footage I always notice that your quad is very twitchy! I always thought it was because of the bottom mounted battery, but now you are running the Stingy. The last video you posted is a perfect example of this.
Nice video. Used your rates as a test and improved my flying by a big step. Turns out my settings where way to linear.
Settling down in foreign rates can take a day or too (just like fps games) also, you can overshoot the desired rate change, really try to rip that for a couple packs, and then try the change you wanted to try out, it can help you adapt faster and own the new rates quicker so you can see if you actually like them.
Very helpful. Thanks for making this video for us noobs. Now I feel I can play around with rates now that I have an idea what they do
Thanks for sharing your thoughts & process Kevin! You have a great way of explaining what we can try... I also have been flying very similar high rates with large expo... I'm a pincher, but Going to have another tweaking session to go lower overall, with similar expo too.
Thanks for discussing this topic. I will be trying new rates and expo before my next flight. Keep that beard up, Stingy!
You are a realy good teacher. Please do more of this videos (your PID-tuning Video is the best Out there). Thank you for that!
Gone for a minute?!!!!
No worries, quality over quantity!
I still send people to your PID tuning video at the stables last year. Really got me started on tuning and black box. I of course started with 1276 deg/sec, cause you want to go fast as a newbie. Now my rates are about where you ended up! I must be learning!
missed your videos man, always happy to watch them
Love your stuff bro ! We're all just out here trying to fly. It's also in the sticks . . . All in the sticks . But if everything else isn't right you will never get where you want to be, thanks for the video !
thank you so much stingy! that was the first rate video that really clicked for me. going home and buttering up the rates after work!!!!
Your rates are now almost identical to mine. It’s hard to find that sweet spot between being to twitchy and dull at the low end without sacrificing that snap at full deflection.
awesome vid, explained why my quad was bouncy at the end of my flips and rolls... keep up the good work.
Thank you. best breakdown of what the hell is going on with rates and expo. appreciate it. always great Stingy
This was just great, even more of an understanding of rates. Thank you!
Awsome!
I love you dude =D
Now i can tune the rates in my quads because of you and they flies GREATE!
Done it with my micros now and cant wait untill i can try the new tune on my 5" tomorrow outside!
Sharing this vid now to all my friends =D
Great video man. I like how you took time to really go through all the combos you could think. Not enough people do that or know the correlation between your tune and rates. And that last video was forking butter man... But I do really like the old really fast snap roll stingy. 😆👍🏼
Thank you for this, some of us hardheaded types can relate more to seeing the outcomes as well as the instructions. This definitely helped me a lot.
150/70 is exactly what I fly :) I started about where you are with a curve...but slowly , little by little kept squeezing out the curve so I had more resolution thru the whole stick throw. I always kept my end points the same..just squeezed away the "curve"
I tuned my quad with your first tutorial ...,and still fly really good! Thank you for your job 🔥
Good method for finding the right setup. Great voice too, but you really need wind protection for that mic! Had to turn volume way down.
I really enjoyed your final flight. Smoothness is incredibly satisfying! (Running 400deg/s with good expo, looove slow proximity flying)
Hey man, great video. I've been experimenting with rates recently after feeling that my last video was far too wobbly! I've been trying different combinations of d setpoint transition and d setpoint weight and it made such a difference! I'm hoping I've found those Goldilocks rates for me. Next to study your PID tuning videos and find that crispy tune!
What a killer backdrop for a technical video! That sky,and reflection! I'm jealous,but not confident enough to fly that close to expensive windows....yet lol.
Great music in the end of the video, Stingy!
I miss the "Hi i`m kevin, im going to powerloop this impossible tight, blind entry obstacle, in mach 1 until i make it or destroy it" video`s! Please bring back Crazy-Kevin :)
I still do the crazy things check out 24:23, or my last video. The problem is I don't struggle with them so much. Usually when I get a crazy idea like that I hit it first or second try and sometimes in a longer line. I guess I've progressed with consistency. I do miss the old gear bashing try hard accomplishments too though.
To hell with that, I'm gonna go back and try to recreate a couple. I'd like to know if I still would struggle on some of those still. Thanks for the idea.
Ola G Braaten good shout🤙🏻
Those crazy ideas probably became too expensive in final :)
@@stingersswarm Hey Kevin! at @24:55 I though (and maybe you should!!!) pass through your car window to window or rear open door. Do it!! 👍 👍 👍 BTW, I tried your approach to set my Velocidrone (I am just getting into FPV Quards.... theres the DJI googles and 2 drones on their way.... but first, the SIM and the TinyHawk). well, I was saying, I tried your settings and now it is way more controllable for me. Thanks!!!!!
Man i'm still a bit of a newby and have never massed with rates, and for some reason I though this is what PID tuning changed lol. Thanks man
You have nothing to lose by adding Kevins new rates into a second RateProfile on BetaFlight and select it with your SmartAudio while out flying and give it a go, I'm going to try them with my GT R349's and see what they are like. I seemed to have lost my perfect rates and I am waffling about going from too wired to too soft, its bloody hard to find that balance. I want smooth cruise and moderate fast rolls and flips, not Mr Steele fast.. thanks Kevin, good vid, really keen to try these in a few hours. Just waiting for that big orange thing to come over the horizon, the first place in the world to see the sunrise in 2020, just starting now. (NZ).
Much Thanks Stingy, this really helped me going next lvl with my flying, THANKYOU
I really enjoyed watching you go through your process.
Loved that man! Need more like it . Big diff on my flights thank you for that one.
Man, i am watching many many drones videos but this is one rocks ! Thanks tons ! Mr Bardwell should be afraid ;)
I was set the quality at 360p, but suddenly, quality won't drop. Great video+
For trying different rates, just program them on a switch so if something is too wonkey, you can easily switch back to what you were comfortable with previously.
Oh man this is what I am waiting for a long, thanks a lot
This video help me a lot
Now I am tuning my quad
I ran these rates the other night. MAN! SMOOOOOOOOOTH!!! Thanks Stingy :)
Watched the whole video-really interesting-have to say from a spectators point of view best rates were high expo at 800..was a lovely viewing experience silky smooth..up at a 1000 the flips/rolls do that ‘flash flip’ thingy that makes me feel sick and there’s a brief period of disoriented which makes the video feel lumpy-great vid xxx 👍🏻💕🇬🇧
Probably one of the best video about Rates ever done! You never mention d weight and d set point transitions how do you keep them?
BRAVO.......... I Love Your explanation! even if it took me 4 years. 😀😀Thank You.
I have been working toward a similar buttery feel, and I use higher deg/second. (1200ish). I found that adjusting D Setpoint weight and transition really helped me tone down mid stick response.
I just plugged these in and i LOVE them. thanks for the post
my rule of thumb on rates has been set the Deg/sec fast enough to feel fast, but slow enough that i can tell when my flip or roll is about to complete and i can reduce the stick and decelerate the move to make it smooth. if i can anticipate the end of the move im less likely to over compensate and get wiggles. i still wiggle from time to time but i think its mostly because im not comfy with the environment.
Hey Stingy ! one thing i would like to add, that you can try. Try lowering your yaw rate. This would make the quad even more predicable and you can coordinate your rolls even more precisely without adding any more expo or sacrificing that snappiness you need at full deflection for roll and pitch. Unless you do really aggressive yaw moves you dont need to be at 1000degs/sec for yaw. Try a RC 1.0 and a Super at 0.7 which puts you around 666deg/s for yaw. Leave the rest the same. It will feel natural and more controllable.
Great video Kevin! Now i wish i wasn't at work so i can go try some of these changes and see what i like!
Good stuff Kevin, I found this all out from playing with the rates on Velocidrone sim. I discovered that if you raise the RC rate to 1.3 and the super to .8, you end up with the 1200 ish DPS total but with lots of expo in the curve. I did not add any extra expo but still have that super smooth locked in feeling at low stick inputs and yet snappy fast rolls and flips, and it seems that it is easier to transition out of the roll or flip smooth and level.
Finally! this vidio have the best explaination of rates!
Literally was discussing this with a friend yesterday, and here is an actual practical demonstration for me to digest with breakfast! Thanks for that, going to go experiment now....:-)
Awesome man!
More of these videos, you sir are a genius! best lesson in rates
You're an awesome instructor Kevin. Great video!
I like to set up 3 rate profiles on a switch and get the best of both worlds.
Funnily enough I actually tried your rates (old now) last weekend, flew for 30 mins with them on the sim to get used to them before flying a few packs and loved the increased softness on the centre.
Tuning rates it's difficult but you make it easy, actually seeing what does what helps a lot, more I I what I need to change to get the "wonky" out of center stick. I think I would like your rates