I usually don't do a premier, but this is going to be something special. I'm doing a joint 2 part premiere with Dave from @justthewatch . He got a blue version of the Orient Star Explorer, and I got a black one shortly after. So we decided to team up and release both reviews back to back. So mine is this Friday ( February 7, 2020) at 7:00 pm CST (GMT-0600) and Dave's will follow at 7:15 pm. ruclips.net/video/Ow8MSIp_xiA/видео.html Cheers!
@@kiwicory100 I don't have the Khaki field, but might so a comparison with the khaki king sometime. Between those two I think the Orient has a better case finish than the Hamilton. But movement wise not sure which would be better.
weeeeeel i got one. Gray dial! here's my review! ordered it from a dealer in Hong Kong, paid 386 euros for it. On the site it said it was made in 2015, i don't know about that but fine. Here's a few things that a lot of reviews missed: 1. The strap - it is built in 2 parts, a hard part that is closer to the lugs and a softer thiner part that continues. The soft part is relatively easy to conform to your wrist, while the hard part takes the most time to break in. I learned a trick you can do, just apply some face cream or a creamy aftershave on it, don't overdo it or it will kill the glue holding the leather layers together, but apply rub and wipe, don't soak it and it will help with the break in. 1. Crown action: this bugs me, when you set the time it has this quarter of a turn where it does nothing except jolt the entire set of hands back and forth for about 1 second on the dial sector. I don't know for how long Orient has been making these watches so 2015 seems like a type-o or just wrong info or it could be right in which case i'm not sure how the lubricants inside the watch are at this point. Inside the movement i did notice a smudge or excessive machining on one of the sprockets like it was supposed to be polished but they shaved some of the decorative pattern found on the automatic winding bridge on it, or could be an oil smudge, not sure. Didn't get around on measuring the accuracy yet as i just got it, but i will and report back. Other than that the watch is beautiful and feels good quality, it's about all i expected it to be after watching reviews and looking at pictures. It feels solid, has a surprising amount of depth to it. I did initially want the black patterned dial on it because i like the cooper brushed hands and cooper brushed indices, but looking at the hands from one side they are pretty thin and have this feeling of tin foil so i went for the fully painted ones as they seem to have more material on them. 3 - HANDWINDING - feels great aaaaaaand when you turn to screw the crown it it keeps on handwinding. Good thing it has a clutch to not overtighten the spring. The GRAY DIAL is warm, feels nice, not visually painful to look at, has that vintage lume, is clean and just a pleasure to look at and just the right amount of contrast. At a certain angle in bright light the dial contrast is like magically turned down to like 20% where everything disappears into the gray dial, it's a cool effect. Reasons why i got the watch: coming from 2 previous orients, one of them being the defender i had 1. accuracy issues, hated the blue-gray dial, thought that it wouldn't bother me as it was just a slight shad of blue but it was a pain to look at. 2. front sapphire crystal: i don't mind the watch having scuffs and dings and scratches overtime as it gives the watch some character and that old watch feel that i just love, but i do hate scratches on the dial a lot. 3. really came to appreciate a cleaner dial. 4. On regular orients it seems like the company has this thing where the dial is a lot larger than what the hands cand reach and i absofuckinglutely hate the seconds hand that doesn't reach all the way to the markings, and this watch solves that OCD aspect of my brain.I hope this helps!
I bought this Outdoor model in deep blue about 10 days ago, and I am really happy with it. The strap is too stiff, but I “worked” it until it softened. Accuracy +6 seconds a day, and looks good on my 7 1/8 inch wrist. Great watch for $500 tax included.
I’m seriously considering this watch Shane. Both you and Dave have showcased the watch perfectly. And I always enjoy your strap shows... I like the mix of aviation and field watch aesthetics. I too have several field watches and this one it’s just different enough to fill a hole in my collection!
It's great and I'm still enjoying it. The 21mm lug width can be annoying, but mines stayed on that green ostrich one in the video. The hard part is finding one for a good price. Prices seem to be all over the place.
I’ve had a few bambinos that had 21 mm straps… A couple of other watches as well and yes I can be annoying. I’m sure you’ve already found this but some NATO’s that are 22 mm seem to fit perfectly on 21s. My Seco flight master comes to mind… 22mm leather And NATO’s fit with a little muscling...
My favourite watch of this year which was released at the end of 2019 was the Orient Star Sports Outdoor in Green. I call it the Orient Mountaineer as apposed to the Seiko Alpinist and Rolex Explorer. Orient Star is the Grand Seiko of Orient. This Mountaineer is way cheaper than an Explorer and way better than an Alpinist. I tried the Alpinist on and the dial real estate was way too small for me. This Mountaineer has a beautiful Green dial, cream patina markings, good lume, 50 hour power reserve indicator, black PVD case polished and brushed, good quality mocha brown leather strap, diamond style screwdown and signed crown, see through caseback with nice perlage and gold touches and all for around $630 USD. I was so impressed at the quality and value I bought it and couldn't be happier! 😊 The Mountaineer is a true field watch that does to the Alpinist what the Kamasu did to the SKX. Great video, please do a review of this Orient Mountaineer as you will not be disappointed!
Beautiful watch and great review. I love that you always show us your watches on a bunch of different straps. That adds so much to the review. Now I don't know which one I like more, your black dial or Dave's blue one. Both look great!
Thanks! I originally got black because I jumped on the Traska Summiter kickstarter for a blue one. So I thought a blue version of this would be redundant. But if I had to do it again, I don't know...
The strap size 21mm is fine as Rolex just introduced the same size with the new submariner, so 21mm will be much easier to find soon! 😊The strap itself is actually good quality. Its not cheap and hard and not super soft and expensive, it's in the middle soft and comfortable. As its a Japanese watch the straps are on opposite sides, swap them around and it is perfect! Size is perfect for me.
Great review. It’s amazing that you always seem to have a review on a watch I’m interested in learning about. Thanks for posting. Excellent camera work as always by the way.
Excellent review! I love the joint effort as well. Originally I was leaning towards the blue model that Dave has but I'm thinking the black would be a bit more versatile overall.
I enjoy your videos you Give plenty of detail and every watch you suggested I’ve seen in person after seeing your video I can say you were right on With your detailed descriptions keep up the good work
Thanks! Short answer is that Epson (Seiko-Epson) bought Orient about 2009. Longer Answer is that the Seiko Group is composed of a number of smaller independent companies. Yet the big three are Seiko Holdings (Seiko Watches), Seiko Instruments (Makes components for Seiko Holdings), and Seiko-Epson. Which Seiko-Epson not only makes components for Seiko Holdings, but also their own watches with Orient as well as everything electronic that has to do with Epson.
I like having a date window, but Orient seems bad at this. They often make the window so small that it overlaps the numbers unless looking straight on. Also, they appear to stamp cut the window and leave the area around the opening slightly distorted. They don't always do this, but when they don't use a framed date window, it usually looks like an afterthought.
Great review. I got the green RK-AU0201E on eBay for $410 which I considered a steal. I now have a winder and can’t figure out if it should be wound clockwise, counterclockwise or both. It’s a super nice watch.
It was a great recommendation video about this model, thank you! i add it in my shopping list for the next but if it was 39mm i would purchase it right now.
I would recommend a Hamilton 38mm field watch or an Orient Mako II I own both and I have a 6 1/4 inch wrist and both wear well on my smaller wrist size. So the lug to lug dimension is about 47mm on both watches which is the upper limit for me. The Hamlton is a pure field watch, but the Orient is an watch that could fill either a watersports or a field watch application.
Beautiful watch and value for money. I would buy this size wise in Green over the Seiko Alpinist and stopped short at the very last minute of pressing the pay now button on ebay for $412 USD. I ended up pulling the trigger on a more dressy Seiko Presage SARX029 Urushi dial $1000+ USD and dont regret it. 😊One thing I noticed in your macro shots is the brushed finishing on both hands is not perfect. Did you notice and does it bother you as an outdoor watch? I still may purchase this for outdoor use later on. Great video!
Thanks! That SARX029 looks awesome! They finish looks a bit odd zoomed in, but don't notice it much in regular use. However, I did notice that it catches the light very differently than say the bezel. As such it helps it stand out more. Which is why I think they might have done it that way intentionally. So just more of a rougher brushed texture than any sort of mistake.
Hey I don't know if you saw but Jody from Justonemorewatch gave you a nice shout out on his last video - love both of your productions and quality informative reviews. I am always excited when new ones come out - although adding those watches to my list can get expensive.
I really like this one, although it may be a tad too large for my tastes. Also, I agree about this watch giving off more of a Pilot watch vibe when considering the large dial, case and the handset.
I am new to this hobby. Frankly, why should a watch have to look a certain way and fit some mold? I prefer individually and I don't want the same watches that everyone else wears.
Interesting knife you have here, with some 'guilloche' and g10 handle, may I ask you what knife is it? I agree with you for the date, black wheel and between 4 and 5 is really better
It's a Camilus Pristine. www.camillusknives.com/products/folding-knives/6-75-folding-g10-stainless-handle.html I've had it for a while. I think I found it on sale walking through Cabelas one day, and just liked the look.
I saw these a few months ago on the Orient USA website and really liked the green dial version, but dismissed them because of the outrageous price. Glad to hear you can pick them up for under/around $400usd.
Hopefully Orient USA gets their head out their ass with the price. I originally saw them there, but dismissed it because of their price. Yet later saw they were like $500 on Gnomon, and cheaper on eBay.
I dig it. Most color options actually, which is weird because I usually tend to go for the black. Didn't know their Star series was considered of a higher level btw. Wish I had known that a few years ago when I came across several of their Star models on ebay for less then a 150 bucks. Still waiting for that sotc vid btw, of both your watches as well as pocket-knives pls ;)
Well there are the 3 stars, and the Orient Star. Orient Star is the step up. Gonna be working on a SOTC soon, since I've never done one before been was trying to figure out the best way to present them without making it too long. As for the pocket-knives I don't have that many, and not sure if they are that interesting, but maybe they will be in the background.
That is the question. Mine came from Japan. Other than Orient USA I'm not sure who is selling them in the USA, and their price is crazy for this. I think they are listing it at $1400, on sale for $1030. Yet if you got Orient Japans site it's MSRP is 68,000 yen, which is closer to $600 US. I know Gnomon has some, but they are at $500. Some good prices on eBay, so that might be an option. Just make sure it's a seller has a good reputation.
It looks great but COME ON, ORIENT! WHAT'S WITH THE 21MM LUGS!!! They finally wised up with the Gen 4 Bambino and went with a "normal" lug width so I figured they finally got it through their that no one wants weird sizes. Then this!
Thank you for a good review! The watch looks good, but the best looking article in the video is that green nato at 2:48 (and in some other parts as well). Which brand and model is that and where I could find one?
I can't find a link to it anymore. It was a ZULUDIVER Seat Belt Nato by Watch Gecko. Used to be on their site and Amazon, but don't see it anymore. Pity, it's an awesome strap.
I prefer the Orient defender gen2 to be honest. I don't like the mix of numerals and baton markers in my field watches. Prefer full numerals or full batons. If it had that, I'd probably buy it.
I've seen a number of nice watches which seem to fall short on the lum ... so out of curiosity how expensive is it for manufacturers to provide decent lum? How proprietary is it?
Thanks for the review Shane. The 21mm lugs are indeed a bit boring, as I like to swap out straps, mostly nato. Re future Orient reviews, I used to have a great world timer of theirs from the 90s (gave it to my nephew). If they have a newer version that might be interesting.
I'll take a look. I know they have a number of new models. Originally I was going to do a Defender II, but had the opportunity to get this and jumped on it.
Bought this watch just before this video published. (Great review) I love it. But then I like the Explorer/Ranger/North Flag look. $379 on eBay from Japan for black-dial version. Quick shipping; no hassle (pre-virus). Only complaints: black date wheel would be better, and would prefer a higher-beat movement. I have other 21mm watches and straps, so that’s not a downside. Can feel/hear the rotor move if you’re paying close attention and jiggle it, but I also don’t mind that. About -3 seconds per day.
This review is three years old, but Orient still doesn't have a better field watch. Trust me, I looked, then picked up an as new black case/green dial combo for around 400 USD.
Definitely doesn't make enough of an impression on me to justify the price point, though I will say that I think you've ended up with the one that's the least interesting to me personally. The thing that really stood out at this price point, and I'm glad you pointed it out, was the date wheel's colour not matching the dial and looking so out of place.
as soon as i saw this watch, i thought "pilot watch!". but everyone else say it;s a field watch...anyway the pvd coated blue dial is on my list for this year. crossed the new alpinist from the list, two more to go, one being this one. cheers!
I really like this watch. I just received a Cincinnati P40 M blue dial that looks really similar so I may wait on this one. I really like it though. If you haven't checked one out yet, check out the P40M.
Nice review. It’s a nice watch for the most part. Personally, I think they should of used a different crown. I imagined me this could be an alternative to the Hamilton Khaki Field Auto. There are some major differences, the Hamilton has a more traditional field watch dial. You would really need to like this dial style to go for this. I’m really not into it. I have noticed a lot of field watches do have display casebacks. He Hamilton Khaki Fields have them, as well as Soen Glycine Field watches. I think it’s always nice to see ce to see the he movment. Seiko even did it for the new Alpinist.
I didn't know it was on the new Alpinist. Been tempted to order one. Luckily (or unluckily) it seems to be sold out from a few of the reasonable priced vendors. If I do order one I'm very conflicted between the new cream and the classic green.
Relative Time Yes, and it still is 200m wr. Has the new 6r35 movement. Seiko prices are crazy, very unfortunate, they were such a good value when I first got into the hobby. Now they have 4Runner watches going for over $600
@@surfitli agreed. Eventually I'll get one. Just debating on if it's worth waiting for the price to come down a bit first. Although I'm perfectly happy with my Akura Wayfarere, but still want to experience an Alpinist first hand.
Well with regard to specs/features. Basically you get a longer power reserve and a power reserve meter. It's similar to comparing Seikos base 4r movements and the 6r they put in watches like the Alpinist or Bambino. It's a slight upgrade.
Tough choice. Did you happen to catch the comparison video I did? It's Orient Star Outdoor Vs. Khaki King Vs. Alpinist. ruclips.net/video/uHB3Cly7-QY/видео.html
Sorry but i can't not see the poor finish on those hand edges. I like Orient but that just looks 2nd rate... Great review, I really like your voice intonation.
I should. Those always seem to do well. The only trick is I don't like using stock photos of things. I can if I have to, but I prefer my own footage. So if it's something I haven't seen yet im not inclined to include it. Although I've seen a number of divers that are a little smaller. So I was thinking of doing a top 5 for smaller wrists.
@@RelativeTime Ah yes, the industry pivoting to smaller divers is something I embrace- hopefully more will start to appear. I think Seiko are making new 100m "divers" to replace the SKX. I have a 7" wrist, but my arms are really long and so I prefer the look of smaller watches. Oh! Here's an idea, Teddy Baldassarre and TGV have both done "top X regrets" styled videos for beginner collectors- and that may not require too much footage of specific watches themselves. Or a "state of the collection" video? Excuse me if you've done it already, but I'd love to see your collection in its entirety!
@@danielrosic2960 I've been meaning to do a STOC. That's on my list to do soon. My top ten of 2019 video was sort of a mini STOC as I have all of the ones I showed in it. But I'll get a real one out in the next month (hopefully).
Sure. As long as you have a 21mm spring bar supporting it. You will just have a tiny gap on either side. In fact, I think the Cordura zulu I had on this one during the review was a 20mm.
The movement is the only thing holding the gen one defender back. I was actually planning on doing a review of the Gen two, but ran across the opportunity to get this instead. So i jumped on it.
I'm going to start calling you Tad 😁 I don't like the diamond crown, I don't think it matches at all. I don't like the squareness of the sides of the case. Jury is out on the concave bezel. Not so sure about the roundness of the indeces.. again out of balance with the overall design.. I feel Orient should have decided on one design style.. antique crown, modernist/ Germanic case, modern round indeces! 21mm yeah probably annoying. I prefer the matt black dial on yours. Amazed at the price.
YES! LUG WIDTH!!! I do not understand why Orient continues to use a lug width that makes it really difficult to find compatible straps. One of the great joys of watch collecting is changing up your look by slipping a different strap on your favorite watch. I tried really hard to not buy this watch, because of the damn lug width.... but eventually resistance was futile. The unique hands and power reserve kept calling to me.... and soon the damn 21mm lug width seemed less important..... But come on Orient. Scrap the 21mm lug width... and while I am at it, why the obsession with open heart watches? They are ALWAYS on sale everywhere...... probably because many people don't like the look.
Update: I love this watch. It suits my style, looks great, and keeps great time..... BUT, I am really starting to hate the strap. It is stiff, and unforgiving. I can choose to have it too tight or too loose. And, of course, having a hell of a time finding a 21 frikken mm strap to go with it. Hey Orient.... we all hate 21mm straps! Stop using them.
21mm lug? .... I've always found that a 20mm strap is fine (just like an 18mm strap on a 19mm lug). 2mm difference is just a little telling, but 1mm?, nahh, that's fine.
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I usually don't do a premier, but this is going to be something special. I'm doing a joint 2 part premiere with Dave from @justthewatch . He got a blue version of the Orient Star Explorer, and I got a black one shortly after. So we decided to team up and release both reviews back to back. So mine is this Friday ( February 7, 2020) at 7:00 pm CST (GMT-0600) and Dave's will follow at 7:15 pm.
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Cheers!
Awesome 👍 be tuning in !
Dude that is awesome! I’ve been following both of your channels since near the beginning.
@@tonyphillips8726 I've been following Shane since near the beginning too!
Thanks for the review. For the money I’m gonna go with Hamilton Field Khaki.
@@kiwicory100 I don't have the Khaki field, but might so a comparison with the khaki king sometime.
Between those two I think the Orient has a better case finish than the Hamilton. But movement wise not sure which would be better.
weeeeeel i got one. Gray dial! here's my review! ordered it from a dealer in Hong Kong, paid 386 euros for it. On the site it said it was made in 2015, i don't know about that but fine. Here's a few things that a lot of reviews missed: 1. The strap - it is built in 2 parts, a hard part that is closer to the lugs and a softer thiner part that continues. The soft part is relatively easy to conform to your wrist, while the hard part takes the most time to break in. I learned a trick you can do, just apply some face cream or a creamy aftershave on it, don't overdo it or it will kill the glue holding the leather layers together, but apply rub and wipe, don't soak it and it will help with the break in. 1. Crown action: this bugs me, when you set the time it has this quarter of a turn where it does nothing except jolt the entire set of hands back and forth for about 1 second on the dial sector. I don't know for how long Orient has been making these watches so 2015 seems like a type-o or just wrong info or it could be right in which case i'm not sure how the lubricants inside the watch are at this point. Inside the movement i did notice a smudge or excessive machining on one of the sprockets like it was supposed to be polished but they shaved some of the decorative pattern found on the automatic winding bridge on it, or could be an oil smudge, not sure. Didn't get around on measuring the accuracy yet as i just got it, but i will and report back. Other than that the watch is beautiful and feels good quality, it's about all i expected it to be after watching reviews and looking at pictures. It feels solid, has a surprising amount of depth to it. I did initially want the black patterned dial on it because i like the cooper brushed hands and cooper brushed indices, but looking at the hands from one side they are pretty thin and have this feeling of tin foil so i went for the fully painted ones as they seem to have more material on them. 3 - HANDWINDING - feels great aaaaaaand when you turn to screw the crown it it keeps on handwinding. Good thing it has a clutch to not overtighten the spring. The GRAY DIAL is warm, feels nice, not visually painful to look at, has that vintage lume, is clean and just a pleasure to look at and just the right amount of contrast. At a certain angle in bright light the dial contrast is like magically turned down to like 20% where everything disappears into the gray dial, it's a cool effect. Reasons why i got the watch: coming from 2 previous orients, one of them being the defender i had 1. accuracy issues, hated the blue-gray dial, thought that it wouldn't bother me as it was just a slight shad of blue but it was a pain to look at. 2. front sapphire crystal: i don't mind the watch having scuffs and dings and scratches overtime as it gives the watch some character and that old watch feel that i just love, but i do hate scratches on the dial a lot. 3. really came to appreciate a cleaner dial. 4. On regular orients it seems like the company has this thing where the dial is a lot larger than what the hands cand reach and i absofuckinglutely hate the seconds hand that doesn't reach all the way to the markings, and this watch solves that OCD aspect of my brain.I hope this helps!
accuracy after first 24 hrs is ~ -0.5sec/day
I bought this Outdoor model in deep blue about 10 days ago, and I am really happy with it. The strap is too stiff, but I “worked” it until it softened. Accuracy +6 seconds a day, and looks good on my 7 1/8 inch wrist. Great watch for $500 tax included.
I’m seriously considering this watch Shane. Both you and Dave have showcased the watch perfectly. And I always enjoy your strap shows... I like the mix of aviation and field watch aesthetics. I too have several field watches and this one it’s just different enough to fill a hole in my collection!
It's great and I'm still enjoying it. The 21mm lug width can be annoying, but mines stayed on that green ostrich one in the video. The hard part is finding one for a good price. Prices seem to be all over the place.
I’ve had a few bambinos that had 21 mm straps… A couple of other watches as well and yes I can be annoying. I’m sure you’ve already found this but some NATO’s that are 22 mm seem to fit perfectly on 21s. My Seco flight master comes to mind… 22mm leather And NATO’s fit with a little muscling...
You’re the strap show king… Whenever I’m looking for ideas I head to your channel. Thanks!
This is a sign. I was just looking at this over the weekend.
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Get a defender. You’ll be happy you did.
My favourite watch of this year which was released at the end of 2019 was the Orient Star Sports Outdoor in Green. I call it the Orient Mountaineer as apposed to the Seiko Alpinist and Rolex Explorer. Orient Star is the Grand Seiko of Orient. This Mountaineer is way cheaper than an Explorer and way better than an Alpinist. I tried the Alpinist on and the dial real estate was way too small for me. This Mountaineer has a beautiful Green dial, cream patina markings, good lume, 50 hour power reserve indicator, black PVD case polished and brushed, good quality mocha brown leather strap, diamond style screwdown and signed crown, see through caseback with nice perlage and gold touches and all for around $630 USD. I was so impressed at the quality and value I bought it and couldn't be happier! 😊 The Mountaineer is a true field watch that does to the Alpinist what the Kamasu did to the SKX. Great video, please do a review of this Orient Mountaineer as you will not be disappointed!
Beautiful watch and great review.
I love that you always show us your watches on a bunch of different straps. That adds so much to the review.
Now I don't know which one I like more, your black dial or Dave's blue one. Both look great!
Thanks! I originally got black because I jumped on the Traska Summiter kickstarter for a blue one. So I thought a blue version of this would be redundant. But if I had to do it again, I don't know...
@@RelativeTime Both look great!
The strap size 21mm is fine as Rolex just introduced the same size with the new submariner, so 21mm will be much easier to find soon! 😊The strap itself is actually good quality. Its not cheap and hard and not super soft and expensive, it's in the middle soft and comfortable. As its a Japanese watch the straps are on opposite sides, swap them around and it is perfect! Size is perfect for me.
Glad you put it on IG or I would have never known about this watch.
i would love to have that power reserve on my sinn 856. it’s a great looking watch and a good value as well. well done review!
Excellent orient watch many blessings
Watching this for the 100th time, waiting for this exact watch...
Great review. It’s amazing that you always seem to have a review on a watch I’m interested in learning about. Thanks for posting. Excellent camera work as always by the way.
Same with me. Weird.
Have you noticed that the crown has a substantial wiggle when it's unscrewed? Has that been an issue for you?
Excellent review! I love the joint effort as well. Originally I was leaning towards the blue model that Dave has but I'm thinking the black would be a bit more versatile overall.
Outstanding review. Thank you. Awesome watch!
Thanks. It's a killer watch. I still enjoy it.
I enjoy your videos you Give plenty of detail and every watch you suggested I’ve seen in person after seeing your video I can say you were right on With your detailed descriptions keep up the good work
Thanks. One of the best compliments I can get. My goal is to try give you a taste of what to expect so you know what to expect.
@@RelativeTime sorry I had to correct were autocorrect changed it it should meet Community standards better now LOL
Debating picking one of these up, thanks for the review. This watch would be better as a no date
RK is JDM market only and RE is International market FYI. The dial is actually a copy of a Panerai and not a Rolex Explorer.
Beautiful piece love the power indicator.
Forgive the ignorance but why dose it have Epson on the caise back ?
Supper Video as always Shane Thank You.
Thanks! Short answer is that Epson (Seiko-Epson) bought Orient about 2009.
Longer Answer is that the Seiko Group is composed of a number of smaller independent companies. Yet the big three are Seiko Holdings (Seiko Watches), Seiko Instruments (Makes components for Seiko Holdings), and Seiko-Epson. Which Seiko-Epson not only makes components for Seiko Holdings, but also their own watches with Orient as well as everything electronic that has to do with Epson.
Great review and your voice is very good. I mean your calmness
I like having a date window, but Orient seems bad at this. They often make the window so small that it overlaps the numbers unless looking straight on. Also, they appear to stamp cut the window and leave the area around the opening slightly distorted. They don't always do this, but when they don't use a framed date window, it usually looks like an afterthought.
That is a clean style and presentation. I like it. Thanks for the video.
Ahhhh the Leatherman Skeletool @ 2:51...Got the same one.Great Review.I really like this watch.
Love my skeletool. I have a few other Leathermans, but that's the one that usually goes with me.
Great review. I got the green RK-AU0201E on eBay for $410 which I considered a steal. I now have a winder and can’t figure out if it should be wound clockwise, counterclockwise or both. It’s a super nice watch.
Thanks for the review. This watch is so close to perfect. Give it a different lug width and drilled lugs and I could see this as a killer daily.
Agreed. Even with 21mm lugs I'm still enjoying it though, was actually wearing it yesterday.
It was a great recommendation video about this model, thank you! i add it in my shopping list for the next but if it was 39mm i would purchase it right now.
I would recommend a Hamilton 38mm field watch or an Orient Mako II I own both and I have a 6 1/4 inch wrist and both wear well on my smaller wrist size. So the lug to lug dimension is about 47mm on both watches which is the upper limit for me. The Hamlton is a pure field watch, but the Orient is an watch that could fill either a watersports or a field watch application.
Beautiful watch and value for money. I would buy this size wise in Green over the Seiko Alpinist and stopped short at the very last minute of pressing the pay now button on ebay for $412 USD. I ended up pulling the trigger on a more dressy Seiko Presage SARX029 Urushi dial $1000+ USD and dont regret it. 😊One thing I noticed in your macro shots is the brushed finishing on both hands is not perfect. Did you notice and does it bother you as an outdoor watch? I still may purchase this for outdoor use later on. Great video!
Thanks! That SARX029 looks awesome!
They finish looks a bit odd zoomed in, but don't notice it much in regular use. However, I did notice that it catches the light very differently than say the bezel. As such it helps it stand out more. Which is why I think they might have done it that way intentionally. So just more of a rougher brushed texture than any sort of mistake.
I need a nice beater watch, but I don’t want a NH35. Hopefully this fits the bill and can handle going to the gun range and on trail rides
Hey I don't know if you saw but Jody from Justonemorewatch gave you a nice shout out on his last video - love both of your productions and quality informative reviews. I am always excited when new ones come out - although adding those watches to my list can get expensive.
I saw it this morning. I Made sure to leave him a comment thanking him, and suggesting he try it on a bond Nato. Really like that Oris though.
Shane,
I know this is an old review, but I've been thinking about adding this watch to my collection. Is the display caseback glass sapphire as well?
That's a good question. I'm guessing mineral, but I broke out the old diamond tester to check. Didn't move at all so I'm pretty sure it's mineral.
@@RelativeTime Thanks for getting back so quickly. I suspected as much.
Very close to the Tudor Ranger...i like it 👍🏻 cheers
The dial is definitely more Ranger than Explorer.... with Sinn hands.
Rangorient isn't quite as catchy I guess :)
I agree
Very nice. They should offer that in a type b dial. But very sweet.
my outdoor crown is a bit wobbly. is this a known feature? great review by the way. thanks!
Very high quality video and review! Thank you!
Glad you liked it! Getting all these detailed shots can be time consuming, but I enjoy the process.
Hey what's that band at 4:53? I'm going to buy it. Lol
EDIT: I'm dumb it's in the description.
I really like this one, although it may be a tad too large for my tastes. Also, I agree about this watch giving off more of a Pilot watch vibe when considering the large dial, case and the handset.
Awesome watch. If I didn't recently buy a Defender I'd be on it. If something happens to my Defender I'll be on it.
I am new to this hobby. Frankly, why should a watch have to look a certain way and fit some mold? I prefer individually and I don't want the same watches that everyone else wears.
Interesting knife you have here, with some 'guilloche' and g10 handle, may I ask you what knife is it?
I agree with you for the date, black wheel and between 4 and 5 is really better
It's a Camilus Pristine.
www.camillusknives.com/products/folding-knives/6-75-folding-g10-stainless-handle.html
I've had it for a while. I think I found it on sale walking through Cabelas one day, and just liked the look.
I saw these a few months ago on the Orient USA website and really liked the green dial version, but dismissed them because of the outrageous price. Glad to hear you can pick them up for under/around $400usd.
Hopefully Orient USA gets their head out their ass with the price. I originally saw them there, but dismissed it because of their price. Yet later saw they were like $500 on Gnomon, and cheaper on eBay.
Got mine from local dealer for $330
Glad to see.you and Dave teaming up
. It's not for me but I could endorse it for a friend. .....
Ok. I want one .
It was fun. Hopefully Dave and I can do it again sometime.
The Vaer you showed briefly is smaller and I think more of a classic field watch. I love mine...
Vaer is awesome. I've noticed they have a bunch of new models now too.
I dig it. Most color options actually, which is weird because I usually tend to go for the black. Didn't know their Star series was considered of a higher level btw. Wish I had known that a few years ago when I came across several of their Star models on ebay for less then a 150 bucks. Still waiting for that sotc vid btw, of both your watches as well as pocket-knives pls ;)
Well there are the 3 stars, and the Orient Star. Orient Star is the step up.
Gonna be working on a SOTC soon, since I've never done one before been was trying to figure out the best way to present them without making it too long.
As for the pocket-knives I don't have that many, and not sure if they are that interesting, but maybe they will be in the background.
Awesome. Looking forward to it.
Wow I was literally just looking at these the other day! Where can I get one? I can't seem to find a USA dealer.
That is the question. Mine came from Japan. Other than Orient USA I'm not sure who is selling them in the USA, and their price is crazy for this. I think they are listing it at $1400, on sale for $1030. Yet if you got Orient Japans site it's MSRP is 68,000 yen, which is closer to $600 US.
I know Gnomon has some, but they are at $500. Some good prices on eBay, so that might be an option. Just make sure it's a seller has a good reputation.
@@RelativeTime gotchya thanks for the info.
It looks great but COME ON, ORIENT! WHAT'S WITH THE 21MM LUGS!!! They finally wised up with the Gen 4 Bambino and went with a "normal" lug width so I figured they finally got it through their that no one wants weird sizes. Then this!
True, but they have released the Version 5 and small seconds since the 4 and I think they also have 21. Maybe it's just a thing in Japan. Don't know.
Is this screwed crown or pull/push crown？
Thank you for a good review! The watch looks good, but the best looking article in the video is that green nato at 2:48 (and in some other parts as well). Which brand and model is that and where I could find one?
I can't find a link to it anymore. It was a ZULUDIVER Seat Belt Nato by Watch Gecko. Used to be on their site and Amazon, but don't see it anymore. Pity, it's an awesome strap.
Joma Shop sells Orient stars they are gray market with an in house warranty I have several watches from them no issues and decent prices based in NY.
This looks very much like a Flieger Type A watch. I like it.
I prefer the Orient defender gen2 to be honest. I don't like the mix of numerals and baton markers in my field watches. Prefer full numerals or full batons. If it had that, I'd probably buy it.
I've seen a number of nice watches which seem to fall short on the lum ... so out of curiosity how expensive is it for manufacturers to provide decent lum? How proprietary is it?
Not sure. That's a question I've wondered for a while. I might have to do some digging.
@@RelativeTime I think that would make a fantastic video.
Thanks for the review Shane. The 21mm lugs are indeed a bit boring, as I like to swap out straps, mostly nato. Re future Orient reviews, I used to have a great world timer of theirs from the 90s (gave it to my nephew). If they have a newer version that might be interesting.
I'll take a look. I know they have a number of new models. Originally I was going to do a Defender II, but had the opportunity to get this and jumped on it.
Bought this watch just before this video published. (Great review) I love it. But then I like the Explorer/Ranger/North Flag look. $379 on eBay from Japan for black-dial version. Quick shipping; no hassle (pre-virus). Only complaints: black date wheel would be better, and would prefer a higher-beat movement. I have other 21mm watches and straps, so that’s not a downside. Can feel/hear the rotor move if you’re paying close attention and jiggle it, but I also don’t mind that. About -3 seconds per day.
Good to hear. I'm actually wearing it right now, but swapped to a green Ostrich Strap.
This looks like a good replacement for Sarg009
Could be. I might try to do a comparison video between the two in the future.
@@RelativeTime Not sure if that model is available anywhere now
Does the strap taper at all?
I really love this watch, but I am not into the 21mm lugs. I've almost bought it twice, but the lugs are a deal breaker for me.
You are not alone. No idea why Orient keeps wanting to use them. Maybe it's a Japanese thing?
@John Buckmaster Do you have to shave them down at all, or is it just a really tight fit?
Can't wait to see this!
I think the matte black dial is better than the sunburst ones IMHO. The sunburst ones will make the dial look even bigger.
This review is three years old, but Orient still doesn't have a better field watch.
Trust me, I looked, then picked up an as new black case/green dial combo for around 400 USD.
Definitely doesn't make enough of an impression on me to justify the price point, though I will say that I think you've ended up with the one that's the least interesting to me personally.
The thing that really stood out at this price point, and I'm glad you pointed it out, was the date wheel's colour not matching the dial and looking so out of place.
Could be. Check out Dave's review. The blue is really striking. If I had to do it again I don't know what I'd pick.
Yeah, the sunburst and the pitted dials look a lot better to me.
Thanks for the taking the time, both you and Dave's reviews were fantastic.
Great looking watch, looking forward to this one
Hope you like it!
Just ordered one 50% off on Amazon Japan. Excited to have a new daily
Amazon Japan seems to have some of the best prices for these. Too bad the rest of the world can't get it.
That original explorient is a grail, very slept on
"Riding the 21mm short bus" Haha.
I'd go with the blue dial
It's a beautiful blue. I'd have a hard time deciding if I did it again.
as soon as i saw this watch, i thought "pilot watch!". but everyone else say it;s a field watch...anyway the pvd coated blue dial is on my list for this year. crossed the new alpinist from the list, two more to go, one being this one. cheers!
They advertise it as field, but I think it's somewhere in between. Hopefully you can hunt down a good price on one.
I'd love to see a direct comparison between this and the Seiko sarg009.
Lamar Faciane I love the SARG009 but they are hard to come by these days.
Nice watch. It kind of reminds me of a Sinn 556a witch I have.
I really like this watch. I just received a Cincinnati P40 M blue dial that looks really similar so I may wait on this one. I really like it though. If you haven't checked one out yet, check out the P40M.
I know a few people who have reviewed them. Look really nice, so I might reach out to them sometime.
Relative TimeGreat. I would like to see what you think of it.
still can't decide between black dial and blue dial.
great review, many thanks
Thank you!
Nice review. It’s a nice watch for the most part. Personally, I think they should of used a different crown.
I imagined me this could be an alternative to the Hamilton Khaki Field Auto. There are some major differences, the Hamilton has a more traditional field watch dial. You would really need to like this dial style to go for this. I’m really not into it.
I have noticed a lot of field watches do have display casebacks. He Hamilton Khaki Fields have them, as well as Soen Glycine Field watches. I think it’s always nice to see ce to see the he movment. Seiko even did it for the new Alpinist.
I didn't know it was on the new Alpinist. Been tempted to order one. Luckily (or unluckily) it seems to be sold out from a few of the reasonable priced vendors. If I do order one I'm very conflicted between the new cream and the classic green.
Relative Time Yes, and it still is 200m wr. Has the new 6r35 movement.
Seiko prices are crazy, very unfortunate, they were such a good value when I first got into the hobby. Now they have 4Runner watches going for over $600
@@surfitli agreed. Eventually I'll get one. Just debating on if it's worth waiting for the price to come down a bit first.
Although I'm perfectly happy with my Akura Wayfarere, but still want to experience an Alpinist first hand.
What a beauty ⌚thanks for sharing...✔
Very nice. I know 21 is disappointing but for me it is better than a 20. I believe the 20 would be too all
It looks great proportionally, its just if you like to swap straps you have to get a few more 21mm.
This watch looks very nice. But why again this white date window on a black watch.
Agree. Black datewheel would of looked much cleaner.
Great work. Nice watch.
How does the movement differ from regular movement like orient ray or kamasu or bambino ?
Well with regard to specs/features. Basically you get a longer power reserve and a power reserve meter. It's similar to comparing Seikos base 4r movements and the 6r they put in watches like the Alpinist or Bambino. It's a slight upgrade.
@@RelativeTimewould you buy orient star or tissot?
@@manuvns id buy both, but depends on the specific Watches
Excellent video
Great review as always. 21mm lugs. Really?
Yup... maybe it's a Japanese thing.. dunno.
Orient star vs hamilton? :( I want a field or flieger new watch and can't figure it out.
Get a Hamilton Khaki field watch! The Star is nice but the Hamilton is a better watch. The Hamilton auto on a bracelet it hard to beat!
Tough choice. Did you happen to catch the comparison video I did? It's Orient Star Outdoor Vs. Khaki King Vs. Alpinist.
ruclips.net/video/uHB3Cly7-QY/видео.html
I like the design. It’s a beaut
Great video, but I like that Vaer field watch that you showed at the end of your video more than the Orient Star Outdoor.
Sorry but i can't not see the poor finish on those hand edges. I like Orient but that just looks 2nd rate... Great review, I really like your voice intonation.
One thing I've noticed is companies have better names for their divers as opposed to the field watches.
This is true. Lots of cool animals in the sea to name a watch after, but field watches seem to be a bit more generic.
Rod Serling of watch reviews . I liked Mr. Serling .
I don't know what else Mr Relative Time does for a living but a voice over or broadcasting career is waiting for him...
Love your videos. You deserve more subs. Maybe do like TGV and make "tops tens" or "dos and don'ts" videos, in addition to your reviews?
I should. Those always seem to do well. The only trick is I don't like using stock photos of things. I can if I have to, but I prefer my own footage. So if it's something I haven't seen yet im not inclined to include it.
Although I've seen a number of divers that are a little smaller. So I was thinking of doing a top 5 for smaller wrists.
@@RelativeTime Ah yes, the industry pivoting to smaller divers is something I embrace- hopefully more will start to appear. I think Seiko are making new 100m "divers" to replace the SKX. I have a 7" wrist, but my arms are really long and so I prefer the look of smaller watches.
Oh! Here's an idea, Teddy Baldassarre and TGV have both done "top X regrets" styled videos for beginner collectors- and that may not require too much footage of specific watches themselves. Or a "state of the collection" video? Excuse me if you've done it already, but I'd love to see your collection in its entirety!
@@danielrosic2960 I've been meaning to do a STOC. That's on my list to do soon. My top ten of 2019 video was sort of a mini STOC as I have all of the ones I showed in it. But I'll get a real one out in the next month (hopefully).
@@RelativeTime definitely looking forward to this.
Great watch but I spend a lot of my workday outside, often doing physical work so, like my Khaki King, the nice leather band isn't really functional.
Do you usually wear a metal bracelet or a rubber strap?
@@RelativeTime My work watch is my SKX with the jubilee bracelet but I want to wear the KK more. Was thinking navy canvas or sail cloth.
@@ForlornFreddy sailcloth is great, or cordura. Maybe check out the cordura / silicone hybrid from Barton. Kind of the best of both worlds.
@@RelativeTime Good call, I went with Barton's navy cordura for my KK.
Thanks
Is it possible to use a 20mm strap on this piece?
Sure. As long as you have a 21mm spring bar supporting it. You will just have a tiny gap on either side. In fact, I think the Cordura zulu I had on this one during the review was a 20mm.
@@RelativeTime Ordered the watch today. Joining the camp tomorrow.
@@SL-lk9bw awesome. Let me know how you like it.
Great review.
Thanks!
I like the first gen defender way more. Way more.
The movement is the only thing holding the gen one defender back. I was actually planning on doing a review of the Gen two, but ran across the opportunity to get this instead. So i jumped on it.
Relative Time ....I bought a gen1 Defender as soon as I saw the gen2. Over the last two months it's averaged -1.63s/day. I say, get one while you can.
I'm going to start calling you Tad 😁 I don't like the diamond crown, I don't think it matches at all. I don't like the squareness of the sides of the case. Jury is out on the concave bezel. Not so sure about the roundness of the indeces.. again out of balance with the overall design.. I feel Orient should have decided on one design style.. antique crown, modernist/ Germanic case, modern round indeces! 21mm yeah probably annoying. I prefer the matt black dial on yours. Amazed at the price.
Top class ORIENT's 'Orient Star' on several models mean a strong challenge to top class SEIKO models, imo.
Definitely better value than some of the Seikos out there.
Que precio tiene? Los vende?
Prices vary wildly, just depends on where you look.
Right now it's 424 on Jomashop.
bit.ly/3d2cu7j
I kinda like it.
Do a review of an Orientstar diver
Like this?
www.gnomonwatches.com/collections/orient-star/products/diver-gilt-pwr-rsv-ref-rk-au0303b
YES! LUG WIDTH!!! I do not understand why Orient continues to use a lug width that makes it really difficult to find compatible straps. One of the great joys of watch collecting is changing up your look by slipping a different strap on your favorite watch. I tried really hard to not buy this watch, because of the damn lug width.... but eventually resistance was futile. The unique hands and power reserve kept calling to me.... and soon the damn 21mm lug width seemed less important..... But come on Orient. Scrap the 21mm lug width... and while I am at it, why the obsession with open heart watches? They are ALWAYS on sale everywhere...... probably because many people don't like the look.
I keep asking that same question. At this point always double check the lug width if you are thinking about an orient.
Update: I love this watch. It suits my style, looks great, and keeps great time..... BUT, I am really starting to hate the strap. It is stiff, and unforgiving. I can choose to have it too tight or too loose. And, of course, having a hell of a time finding a 21 frikken mm strap to go with it. Hey Orient.... we all hate 21mm straps! Stop using them.
brill watch i really like it...... bit pricey here in uk £600-£700 cheers
That from a particular seller or just because of import taxes?
particular seller , BUT still expensive importing from eu and no VAT to pay if importing from eu, eu sellers jacking prices up
Hi if you are in the UK use tus watches, it's not a scam. I think they sponsor some of this guy's latest orient reviews
@@2395ryan cheers m8
21mm lug? .... I've always found that a 20mm strap is fine (just like an 18mm strap on a 19mm lug). 2mm difference is just a little telling, but 1mm?, nahh, that's fine.
A few of the straps I used are 20 in the video, so if you look close you can see a gap. Yet it's not too bad, you could get away with it easy.
this watch reminds the Seiko SARG009