@@Josh_Sattin Great video. I want the r5 for the megapixel but the overheating is criminal. How long can i shoot in 4k 60 before overheat on r5? You say the r62 cant shoot allI in any framerate? Thanks
R6 mkII paired with the 35mm 1.8 is a beast for convention/tradeshow video. Booth interviews, testimonials, insane b-roll, perfect size for even smaller gimbals. Reliable
What a lot of people miss on the R5 and R6 MK1 is the power button is a known failure point, the internal switch mech snaps and that's why they've changed it on the R6mkii to a less often used video/stills switch and moved the power over under the mode dial. Also the mode dial on the R5 is plastic, on the original R it was metal. The R5 mode dial is known to snap inside the mechanism, sometimes with use, often if you carry the body on a strap my your side and it just gets the right knock the thin plastic let's go, it's not the best on a £4k plus body. The R5 mkii will have a different mode dial and power switch. I love all the R series and they will only get better and hopefully the mode dial and power switches will be improved
I've been so torn on whether to switch to the R6 II from my R5. The improved AF, better low light, and the oversampled 4K60 on the R6 II makes me want to switch. However, the R5 overall has a better package with the 4K120, better codecs, and higher MP. I guess the R5 would still be the better choice since you can use the Crop mode for 4K 60 to get the best image. I just wish it didn't have that record limit. The struggle is real.
I've been happily in the Canon DSLR camp for years. I can't imagine ever getting rid of my 7D2 or 1DX3, and I still get a lot of good use from my old 20D and even my 20-year-old 300D. As a result I'd really never considered moving to mirrorless. However, knowing that the Canon EF>RF adapter would allow me to keep using my favorite Canon glass has made it a viable option after all. After quite a lot of thinking, reading, and watching YT reviews, I've decided that the R6 Mk II is going to be the next addition to my kit, probably some time in the new year. I think it's going to be a very nice piece of equipment.
I love my R3 and R6 MKII (use to have the R6) - I was toying with switching to the new Lumix S5 MKII - but dont think I will bother but wish Canon would give us C LOG 2 !
Just received my R6II but am exchanging it for a Sony A7IV. 😢 I thought I would get around non-third party lenses with EF lenses with adapter. However holding that in my hand it became evident it is way too big and heavy, a deal breaker. I also can't afford RF glass. With A7IV I got one G master lens and rest are Tamron zooms, cutting weight by 60%. I'm probably one of many switching to Sony solely due to third party lenses. Canon, listen up!
@@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision No like I said, the EF route is way too heavy and big with the adapter. I was hardly ever going to want to bring the camera with me. I dont have $ to buy EF lenses and then change them for third-party RF lenses when they come out. And who knows if and when they come out. I'd lose a bunch of $ in switching from EF to RF. Not worth it. I already made the switch. Got Tamron zooms, one G master (50mm f1.2) and may get a G 20mm f1.8. $8k invested. I'm good. It's going to take a lot to return to Canon from here on out. Either Sony is going to have to really piss me off or Canon wow me to a galactic level with new offerings for me to make the switch. ✌
@@soscenicphotography194 That is great but there are many of us non-professionals that can't afford a full lineup of RF glass. The only option is EF lenses with an RF adapter. EF lenses are relatively heavy compared to A-mount lenses. Now throw in an adapter and the weight and size becomes are hindrance. Also, Sony GM lenses are generally lighter and smaller than RF lenses. Tamron lenses are even lighter. Third-party lenses have come a long way and perform 90%-100% of big brand quality at half the cost. The variety is also great. For example Sigma just came out with an amazing 60-600mm A-mount professional quality lens, a zoom range not offered by Sony or Canon. Tamron has an amazing 35-150mm f2-2.8, a zoom range also not offered by Sony or Canon. I bought Tamron zooms and one Sony GM (50mm f1.2) and couldn't be happier. I disagree that third party lenses don't compete with RF lenses. In many cases they give both Canon and Sony a run for their money.
I can't wait to supplement my r5 with an r5 mk ii. Right now I use the eos rp as a second body (awful video, great photos). The r5 makes gorgeous video and photos so it sucks that I can't use it for both at the same time. Flipping back and forth sacrifices those special moments that you want both video and photos. I would love to have a dedicated r5 for video for a second shooter while I use the other r5 for photography. I was almost ready to put down money for a second r5 but hearing that the r52 isnt that far away, I can wait.
Great review. Many thanks. I am more of an editor who does video. I like the 5 for its cinematic visuals. The 6II offers better handling specs it seems. Tough choice. I’m wondering if you can tweak the footage on the 6II like color grading, etc, to give cinematic dramatic feel?
Hey Josh: just as a side note, I was in Tascam site and with their xlr adapter it does work on the new hot shoes. HOWEVER, it also come with a dummy shoe adapter allowing you to use the 3.5 mm mic port on the camera. So you can use xlr inputs on any camera. That’s an Awsome advantage.
Yes you are technically correct, but that's more of advantage of say the Tascam unit vs the Sony XLR-K3M. Using it in that fashion doesn't utilize the benefits of the Tascam unit. You have to supply it's own power (usually being supplied from the camera) and you also are using two pre-amps instead of one (giving you a less clean signal). You can do that with any small pre-amp/recorder like a Zoom.
That Tascam XLR box is trrrrrraaaassshhhhh. Go check the reviews for it on BH, I can confirm they're true. Ours died on us while on a shoot after only 2 months. Their customer service won't do anything about it.
r62 and r5 idk which to pick for hybrid shooting I shoot both pictures and video heavy special American football, I’ve seen both with the 500 different prices money it’s not the question but which one would you pick between this 2 cameras if you had to today !!
Hi Josh, do you think is worth making a video comparing r6ii vs a7siii ? i'm about to take a shot between these 2 and i need a real comparison between them like you always do thank and really appreciate your channel !
That would be a fun comparison but I unfortunately don't have an A7S3. I can probably sum it up for you. A7S3 is just a better overall video camera, more dynamic range, 4K120, no overheating. More megapixels for photography on the R6II. It also just comes down to lenses and preferences. R6II is more of a hybrid camera.
@@Josh_Sattin thank you very much, sir. yeah, i forgot to mention that i was interested about that comparison for video work, but your answer is more than enough. thank you again 🤝
Hi Josh, been watching a lot of your videos over the months, after having purchased an R6 Mk II. I haven't done extensive filming (I pretty much bought this 90% for video purposes), but in what I've seen so far, I've been really disappointed in the noise levels (especially in the shadows, but also sometimes in the midtones). I've only been filming in CLOG-3, since filming without 4:2:2 for me would be useless. Are there any ways to improve the noise levels? What I'm seeing in this video, in comparison to the R5, the R5 noise levels are a whole lot cleaner. I'm starting to feel like this camera was a mistake, and that I should have purchased an R5 or something else entirely. Any suggestions? Any word on firmware updates that could improve the noise levels? Other than this one fatal flaw, I've been really happy with it. I hope I'm just one setting away from a major improvement. Fingers crossed.
I have found that the R6II likes to be a little bit overexposed. This has helped reduce the noise a lot. I talk about that in this video: ruclips.net/video/LUDY9ycNlD8/видео.html
Now I have a p5. I don't like the noise level even at low iso settings, I never shoot 8k, but 4k60 would be nice...is there any point in changing the camera?
Im switching to Canon from Sony, because of TTL flash issues. Sonys super advanced hot shoes don't do TTL with third party flash triggers or on-camera flash. Im so excited about getting an R5, maonly because I just bought a 1TB Angel Bird CFE-B card on sale for $200. Thats basically what I paid for each of my V90 SD cards. Plus i have the Ulanzi fan, and a usb c fash charge battery pack, I'm gonna be able to record so much video with gear I already have.
@Josh Sattin - I was hoping for a smidge more photo, but I know that's not your thing. Something I found interesting is that you continually say more megapixels crammed into a certain size, making for a cleaner video and less noise by making the noise smaller. This while (basically) everyone compares the R5 to cameras like the R6 and others claiming when looking at the image at 100%, the lesser megapixel camera wins the High ISO test. Which I've never understood because if you take a 45mp camera and print a 30x40" print and you take a 20-24mp camera and print a 30x40" image, which one will have less noise? To me, that's really the question and something I actually just saw from Tony Northrups channel. To me, everyone but you two are not lying, but not being completely accurate either. If that makes sense. Great video. I think this confirms my want for the R5. I believe that with my need for photography and reference for internal recording, it's going to suit me better. Great video. Just realized I wasn't subbed despite binge watching your content over the past few days lol so I fixed that. Have a blessed day, sir.
Yeah, I just don't do any photography so I don't pretend to talk about it. As you said, not my thing. So, what I state is only really about video. Your questions are completely valid and this is complicated. The old school thought is that lower megapixel sensors are better in low light because each pixel is larger thus gathering more light. Many people continue to preach this. I see it all of the time. I have personally not always found this to be true at every ISO. Also every sensor is just made differently so its tough to compare a low MP sensor to a high MP sensor that are made the same way. Some sensors are just noisier. Also, dual base/sensitivity circuits and in-camera noise reduction play a big part in low light performance. We often don't know how the noise reduction is handled in camera. But, what I have found is that the cameras that oversample their image from a higher resolution have less noise at a given ISO. Something about the oversampling makes the noise finer and overall the image looks cleaner. If you look at the A74 vs A7S3/FX3, the A74 is remarkably cleaner at every ISO up until ISO 12,800. I hope that clarifies a few things. You are asking the right questions. If you'd like to see that comparison, check it out here: ruclips.net/video/u00WB58Q5s0/видео.html
For someone that only shoot in 4k 60fps for long hours of content creation & photography for events would, you recommend R6 markii or R5C? Canon says the R6mkrii could record for 40 min before overheating at that frame rate, but I cannot find the info for how long it takes to cool down... thanks for your input.
I loved watching the video and this new year I changed my Canon R for the R5 I thought about the R6 Mii but I ended up surrendering to the R5 but today as funny as it is my nephew bought the R6 Mii I tested it and I liked it more but I like mine better I wish you excellent videos in 2023 a hug
Hey there...good comment 😄 I am having a nut house in my head now deciding whether to go with the R or the R6 mark II...I need it 90% for photography, not much video...since you've seen/used both, would you recomend me to get the R and save money for lenses, or just get the R6 mark II? I need it primarily for weddings, events....is the extra money for R6 mark II that much worth it, or is the R good enough for the task nowadays? Thanks ahead! 👍
Question. Coming from a Sony A7III, are the 10-bit 422 265 files a massive pain in the ass to edit on a 2019 MacBook pro? R6II file types/sizes easier to edit than R5? Thanks man.
Very good side by side, Josh! I was waiting to see this video. Did you also test FHD 60fps sharpness in both cameras? Thanks for the comparison and cheers from Buenos Aires
Thanks! I didn't do that test. There are only so many comparisons I get to. If I had to guess it would be very similar to the 1080p120 that is shown in this video.
r6ii clog3 is very noisy (i would love to use it but there is a problem with noise even at iso 800 and in camera noise reduction to max). Somebody tell me why?
I am going to make a video about this. I talk about it a bit in my last video. If you have a scene without a lot of dynamic range you might want to overexpose a bit. ruclips.net/video/ccDbWj3Hh8o/видео.html
@@Josh_Sattin Hi, thank you for Your response. Today i tested 4k 50p IPB , clog3, and footage was very clean in low light (indoor) at any ISOs. Than i switched to FHD 50p IPB, clog3 and footage become noisy (only under precise exposure setting was just ok but not). Maybe i´m missing something why on FHD im getting this ugly noise. (24-105 f4L, 1/100s, f4, NR -med, lens corrections all on )
I know you have commented several times about this and I have commented that the noise reduction is set as default (not off). In my studio tests, I am exposing based on Canon's recommendations. If you expose to 35% on a gray card in Clog 3 then you will see what I show. This camera definitely appears to benefit from overexposing the image, but that is always a trade off. I plan on making a detailed video about this, but I've just been super busy.
Strange. I shot vlog at night in the car with just traffic and street lights and I did not see a difference between my A7IV and my R6Mk2. I expose the R6 with +1.5 stops and use a Canon or a Sony lut ( yes Sony ). I super happy with ISO 3200 virtually no noise and seems same as my Sony which I just sold. CLOG 3 / Cinema Gamut / Sharpness +3 / Saturation +1. I use the official Canon Lut the 33DR Cinema to Rec 709 cube file or the official SonySLog3CinetoRec709v1 with minor tweaks scene dependent. High ISO Speed NR standard. I found all other Canon luts tend to add more noise. I shot a single sceene and applied over 140 free luts I have and these 2 worked the best.
Hello Josh , thanks for the video. I now have both of these cameras. Sold my R6 and my A7IV with all my Sony except the 200-600. I'm a hybrid shooter for family videos and photos. Question: is there any quality difference on R5 between UHD vs DCI. I shot UHD and convert to 2:1 video aspect ratio so slightly more black bars than DCI. So is there any reason for me to record DCI ? Any quality benefit. I also enjoy the dials on the R6 compared to the mode system on the R5. I noticed the Audio in auto mode is much cleaner and louder on the R6Mk2 vs the R5. Congrats on the sponsor squarespace.
You're welcome. I didn't directly compare the UHD and DCI, but I assume they would be pretty much the same. I also didn't check the field of view. In most cameras the field of view is just wider with DCI, the camera will crop off the edges to give you the UHD image. There are some Sony cameras (and probably others) that do this the other way around, which is weird. I would chose the recording format that is closest to your final output so there is less cropping. If you are converting to 2:1 then 17:9 (DCI) is closer than 16:9 (UHD).
Canon stabilization is better than Sony in most situations. I don't shoot in low light very often so I don't have much input on that. I haven't tested the autofocus side by side in enough situations to give you a definitive answer. A lot of it comes down to which lenses you are using too. Lots of variables.
Helpful info!! I’m trying to decide between the 2. Really a newbie. Only a little experience (t7 for a few weeks lol) but will be doing wildlife photography so wanting the higher megapixel but been told the r5 is too much for a beginner. Thoughts.
@@Josh_Sattin budget isn’t the issue. I’ve just heard not to start with a R5. Also the storage a big issue with computers bc of the massive files. Even looking at the R6. Too many choices lol
I dont know why people keep asking for CF Express on enthusiast level cameras like the R6m2. R5 is closer to the entry pro level camera whereas R6m2 is only meant for enthusiasts. Enthusiasts dont always need to burst super-fast or do high end video so they dont need CF Express on the body. If "professionals" wanna do serious works get the R5 R3 and those would have CF Express. Pretty sure Canon already had the strategy planned out for these cameras and who they were meant to target. The R6m2 is only 2500$ it makes no sense to buy a 512gb CF Express card for 20% the cost of the camera body itself. Just because some "pros" want it on the R6m2 so they can buy cheaper camera for work doesnt mean consumer folks will appreciate it. I personally dont see a reason why i would want the CF Express because I dont need to shoot that fast or record 6K 8K stuffs on it. If i was doing more serious pro stuffs I would go for a higher end camera.
One thing makes R6 mark Ii a deal breaker for is the the lock button. I would appreciate if Canon gets rid of it. I never the lock button on my R5. I'm thinking waiting for the r5 Ii and use my current r5 as my back up camera.😂 I really hope that r5 Ii have the flip screen like Sony a7r5 and stacked sensor.
@@Josh_Sattin it was such a weird angle, so it wasn't a tripod stand. It was angled like the bottom of a tripod stand though, and I saw the handle and I realized it was a manfrotto handle. Thanks for keeping the head in the frame. Ps got the r5c, thanks for helping navigate us through La jungla
It's actually an iFootage K5 head and handle. Yeah, it's nice to see skin tones during a lot of the dynamic range and low light tests. Thanks for watching and enjoy the R5C!
There was a video last week where the R6mk2 was compared against the A7mkIV and Pany S5ii. The R6 mkii performed poorly (it was a Panasonic centric video) having long delays on a subject entering the scene. I asked the youtuber how it was set up, he said factory default settings. I think the cases must have been inappropriate. The video is here, whsts your opinion? ruclips.net/video/3jWoirxDCCw/видео.html All those free trips to Japan make me sceptical of those early reviews of the S5ii. Thanks
@@77dris I've noted that the majority of the 'VS' exclude the R6mkii, I guess because it can do uncropped 4k 60 and 40fps. Seems they on what to look at the A7IV. Also amazes me when they say their video is not sponsored but got a free holiday to Japan!
@@77dris Oh maaaan.... I am glad you loved your camera decision choise... but you really do not have to justify it under every single one video about r6... for some people use cases panasonic s5 mii will be better in autofocus, image quality and software features, also great stabilizer and burn in luts with great LOG gamma with clean colors... not to say that one company has baned us from buying ink for our printers and lenses for our bodies, it is not exeptable for lots of people that has self respect. For example i can choose panasonic s5 first version for "live image composite" feature only any day of the week over r6 mii, for every person each choise...
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Your content by far, is so much more organized, concise and informative than most I’ve ever seen! Amazing job!!! ☝🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you so much! I just try and make videos that I'd want to watch. Thanks for watching!
@@Josh_Sattin Great video. I want the r5 for the megapixel but the overheating is criminal. How long can i shoot in 4k 60 before overheat on r5? You say the r62 cant shoot allI in any framerate? Thanks
R6 mkII paired with the 35mm 1.8 is a beast for convention/tradeshow video. Booth interviews, testimonials, insane b-roll, perfect size for even smaller gimbals. Reliable
What a lot of people miss on the R5 and R6 MK1 is the power button is a known failure point, the internal switch mech snaps and that's why they've changed it on the R6mkii to a less often used video/stills switch and moved the power over under the mode dial.
Also the mode dial on the R5 is plastic, on the original R it was metal. The R5 mode dial is known to snap inside the mechanism, sometimes with use, often if you carry the body on a strap my your side and it just gets the right knock the thin plastic let's go, it's not the best on a £4k plus body.
The R5 mkii will have a different mode dial and power switch.
I love all the R series and they will only get better and hopefully the mode dial and power switches will be improved
I love both cameras, so I bought both. They're perfect for me so keep the videos coming!!!
So lucky
I've been so torn on whether to switch to the R6 II from my R5. The improved AF, better low light, and the oversampled 4K60 on the R6 II makes me want to switch. However, the R5 overall has a better package with the 4K120, better codecs, and higher MP. I guess the R5 would still be the better choice since you can use the Crop mode for 4K 60 to get the best image. I just wish it didn't have that record limit. The struggle is real.
I feel ya
Yeah it is definitely a tough choice between these cameras.
I’m having the same dilemma bro lol
If I had a canon r5 i would have been preety happy with that.
@@pulkitwadhwa2207 oops, I meant between the two i can’t decide which one to get.
I was looking for this exact comparison. Thanks for making it!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
I've been happily in the Canon DSLR camp for years. I can't imagine ever getting rid of my 7D2 or 1DX3, and I still get a lot of good use from my old 20D and even my 20-year-old 300D. As a result I'd really never considered moving to mirrorless. However, knowing that the Canon EF>RF adapter would allow me to keep using my favorite Canon glass has made it a viable option after all. After quite a lot of thinking, reading, and watching YT reviews, I've decided that the R6 Mk II is going to be the next addition to my kit, probably some time in the new year. I think it's going to be a very nice piece of equipment.
I love my R3 and R6 MKII (use to have the R6) - I was toying with switching to the new Lumix S5 MKII - but dont think I will bother but wish Canon would give us C LOG 2 !
Yup. Canon needs to start including Clog2 real soon.
Just received my R6II but am exchanging it for a Sony A7IV. 😢 I thought I would get around non-third party lenses with EF lenses with adapter. However holding that in my hand it became evident it is way too big and heavy, a deal breaker. I also can't afford RF glass. With A7IV I got one G master lens and rest are Tamron zooms, cutting weight by 60%. I'm probably one of many switching to Sony solely due to third party lenses. Canon, listen up!
Buy ef lenses and the adapter with Nd filter. Life will become amazing. 3rd part are coming
@@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision No like I said, the EF route is way too heavy and big with the adapter. I was hardly ever going to want to bring the camera with me. I dont have $ to buy EF lenses and then change them for third-party RF lenses when they come out. And who knows if and when they come out. I'd lose a bunch of $ in switching from EF to RF. Not worth it. I already made the switch. Got Tamron zooms, one G master (50mm f1.2) and may get a G 20mm f1.8. $8k invested. I'm good. It's going to take a lot to return to Canon from here on out. Either Sony is going to have to really piss me off or Canon wow me to a galactic level with new offerings for me to make the switch. ✌
Sony g master lenses are just as heavy. As a professional I dont buy third party lenses as they don’t hold a candle to RF glass.
@@soscenicphotography194 That is great but there are many of us non-professionals that can't afford a full lineup of RF glass. The only option is EF lenses with an RF adapter. EF lenses are relatively heavy compared to A-mount lenses. Now throw in an adapter and the weight and size becomes are hindrance. Also, Sony GM lenses are generally lighter and smaller than RF lenses. Tamron lenses are even lighter. Third-party lenses have come a long way and perform 90%-100% of big brand quality at half the cost. The variety is also great. For example Sigma just came out with an amazing 60-600mm A-mount professional quality lens, a zoom range not offered by Sony or Canon. Tamron has an amazing 35-150mm f2-2.8, a zoom range also not offered by Sony or Canon. I bought Tamron zooms and one Sony GM (50mm f1.2) and couldn't be happier. I disagree that third party lenses don't compete with RF lenses. In many cases they give both Canon and Sony a run for their money.
When you’re spending 7k on a non professional basis you’re trough the roof anyway
I can't wait to supplement my r5 with an r5 mk ii. Right now I use the eos rp as a second body (awful video, great photos). The r5 makes gorgeous video and photos so it sucks that I can't use it for both at the same time. Flipping back and forth sacrifices those special moments that you want both video and photos. I would love to have a dedicated r5 for video for a second shooter while I use the other r5 for photography. I was almost ready to put down money for a second r5 but hearing that the r52 isnt that far away, I can wait.
hello, I usually use photography and video together in my works. I shoot short videos. (4k 60fps) how long can the warm-up time be in such a use?
I think that was the best comparison video i ever seen in all my youtube experience
Great review. Many thanks. I am more of an editor who does video. I like the 5 for its cinematic visuals. The 6II offers better handling specs it seems. Tough choice. I’m wondering if you can tweak the footage on the 6II like color grading, etc, to give cinematic dramatic feel?
Hey Josh: just as a side note, I was in Tascam site and with their xlr adapter it does work on the new hot shoes. HOWEVER, it also come with a dummy shoe adapter allowing you to use the 3.5 mm mic port on the camera. So you can use xlr inputs on any camera. That’s an Awsome advantage.
Yes you are technically correct, but that's more of advantage of say the Tascam unit vs the Sony XLR-K3M. Using it in that fashion doesn't utilize the benefits of the Tascam unit. You have to supply it's own power (usually being supplied from the camera) and you also are using two pre-amps instead of one (giving you a less clean signal). You can do that with any small pre-amp/recorder like a Zoom.
That Tascam XLR box is trrrrrraaaassshhhhh. Go check the reviews for it on BH, I can confirm they're true. Ours died on us while on a shoot after only 2 months. Their customer service won't do anything about it.
R6 Mk2 will be my first Full Frame camera up from APS-C
You give some of the best reviews/comparisons out there. Nice job.
Thank you for the kind words!
Thank you! I own the R5 and am hoping to add an R6 II so this was super helpful.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
whats your opinion r6II vs r5 for auto focus speed. i own the orginal r6 is it worth the upgrade. trying to decide on r5 or r6II.
Superb review. You really highlighted the differences that truly matter.
Thank you so much! Glad the video was helpful for you!
Thanks so much for detailed video. Trying to decide and this helped a lot!!
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Why are most camera reviews revolving around Videos nowadays? I'll buy a Cine camera if I'm looking at recording videos.
Great video sir , you are so thorough with the information ! Thank you very much for the video !
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
r62 and r5 idk which to pick for hybrid shooting I shoot both pictures and video heavy special American football, I’ve seen both with the 500 different prices money it’s not the question but which one would you pick between this 2 cameras if you had to today !!
Hi Josh,
do you think is worth making a video comparing r6ii vs a7siii ? i'm about to take a shot between these 2 and i need a real comparison between them like you always do
thank and really appreciate your channel !
That would be a fun comparison but I unfortunately don't have an A7S3. I can probably sum it up for you. A7S3 is just a better overall video camera, more dynamic range, 4K120, no overheating. More megapixels for photography on the R6II. It also just comes down to lenses and preferences. R6II is more of a hybrid camera.
@@Josh_Sattin thank you very much, sir. yeah, i forgot to mention that i was interested about that comparison for video work, but your answer is more than enough. thank you again 🤝
Hi Josh, been watching a lot of your videos over the months, after having purchased an R6 Mk II. I haven't done extensive filming (I pretty much bought this 90% for video purposes), but in what I've seen so far, I've been really disappointed in the noise levels (especially in the shadows, but also sometimes in the midtones). I've only been filming in CLOG-3, since filming without 4:2:2 for me would be useless. Are there any ways to improve the noise levels? What I'm seeing in this video, in comparison to the R5, the R5 noise levels are a whole lot cleaner. I'm starting to feel like this camera was a mistake, and that I should have purchased an R5 or something else entirely. Any suggestions? Any word on firmware updates that could improve the noise levels? Other than this one fatal flaw, I've been really happy with it. I hope I'm just one setting away from a major improvement. Fingers crossed.
I have found that the R6II likes to be a little bit overexposed. This has helped reduce the noise a lot. I talk about that in this video: ruclips.net/video/LUDY9ycNlD8/видео.html
If you got a r7, which one of the two makes sense to switch to?
Wow what a great video. Full of great info and comparisons. Thanks.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Hey Josh, do you plan on checking out the Panasonic S5 II once it’s out?
I’d love to but I just done have access to the camera and can’t afford to buy it right now. I have other purchase priorities at the moment.
Now I have a p5.
I don't like the noise level even at low iso settings, I never shoot 8k, but 4k60 would be nice...is there any point in changing the camera?
It has arrived!!
Yeah man! This one took a while.
Im switching to Canon from Sony, because of TTL flash issues. Sonys super advanced hot shoes don't do TTL with third party flash triggers or on-camera flash. Im so excited about getting an R5, maonly because I just bought a 1TB Angel Bird CFE-B card on sale for $200. Thats basically what I paid for each of my V90 SD cards. Plus i have the Ulanzi fan, and a usb c fash charge battery pack, I'm gonna be able to record so much video with gear I already have.
Been waiting for this video!! Now, back to the video!
Nice! I hope you enjoy it!
@Josh Sattin - I was hoping for a smidge more photo, but I know that's not your thing.
Something I found interesting is that you continually say more megapixels crammed into a certain size, making for a cleaner video and less noise by making the noise smaller. This while (basically) everyone compares the R5 to cameras like the R6 and others claiming when looking at the image at 100%, the lesser megapixel camera wins the High ISO test. Which I've never understood because if you take a 45mp camera and print a 30x40" print and you take a 20-24mp camera and print a 30x40" image, which one will have less noise? To me, that's really the question and something I actually just saw from Tony Northrups channel. To me, everyone but you two are not lying, but not being completely accurate either. If that makes sense.
Great video. I think this confirms my want for the R5. I believe that with my need for photography and reference for internal recording, it's going to suit me better.
Great video. Just realized I wasn't subbed despite binge watching your content over the past few days lol so I fixed that. Have a blessed day, sir.
Yeah, I just don't do any photography so I don't pretend to talk about it. As you said, not my thing. So, what I state is only really about video. Your questions are completely valid and this is complicated.
The old school thought is that lower megapixel sensors are better in low light because each pixel is larger thus gathering more light. Many people continue to preach this. I see it all of the time. I have personally not always found this to be true at every ISO. Also every sensor is just made differently so its tough to compare a low MP sensor to a high MP sensor that are made the same way. Some sensors are just noisier. Also, dual base/sensitivity circuits and in-camera noise reduction play a big part in low light performance. We often don't know how the noise reduction is handled in camera.
But, what I have found is that the cameras that oversample their image from a higher resolution have less noise at a given ISO. Something about the oversampling makes the noise finer and overall the image looks cleaner. If you look at the A74 vs A7S3/FX3, the A74 is remarkably cleaner at every ISO up until ISO 12,800. I hope that clarifies a few things. You are asking the right questions. If you'd like to see that comparison, check it out here: ruclips.net/video/u00WB58Q5s0/видео.html
@Josh Sattin - now that all those questions are settled. The next question we must ask, how amazing is the R5ii going to be haha! Does this ever end?!
Haha. I hope my response helped you out. No, this never ends and that's why it's so fun. I do hope we see the R5II soon.
After watching your entire video..I think I'm gonna go with the R8 😂😂. Thanks!
Getting the R6 II
Thank you, Josh.
R6 2 no 30min limit and pro audio makes it better IMO.
For someone that only shoot in 4k 60fps for long hours of content creation & photography for events would, you recommend R6 markii or R5C? Canon says the R6mkrii could record for 40 min before overheating at that frame rate, but I cannot find the info for how long it takes to cool down... thanks for your input.
If you are looking for a reliable camera to shoot 4K60 then I would recommend a camera with active cooling. R5C, C70, FX3, FX30, etc.
I loved watching the video and this new year I changed my Canon R for the R5 I thought about the R6 Mii but I ended up surrendering to the R5 but today as funny as it is my nephew bought the R6 Mii I tested it and I liked it more but I like mine better I wish you excellent videos in 2023 a hug
Hey there...good comment 😄 I am having a nut house in my head now deciding whether to go with the R or the R6 mark II...I need it 90% for photography, not much video...since you've seen/used both, would you recomend me to get the R and save money for lenses, or just get the R6 mark II? I need it primarily for weddings, events....is the extra money for R6 mark II that much worth it, or is the R good enough for the task nowadays? Thanks ahead! 👍
The R6 not having 4k 120 is a deal breaker for me. I can care less about a sharper 1080p 180.
What about file management of both? I am hearing sony files are easier to edit on older PCs?
Unfortunately I have a pretty fast Mac that handles everything really easily. Maybe someone else here can share their experiences.
Get intel 12th gen and all be well.
Very good video I mostly shoot photos I think the R5 the way to go
than q josh sir good information for both 👋cameras
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Question. Coming from a Sony A7III, are the 10-bit 422 265 files a massive pain in the ass to edit on a 2019 MacBook pro? R6II file types/sizes easier to edit than R5? Thanks man.
I unfortunately can't give you any advice on that. I have a M1 Mac Studio and it handles everything.
R6mk2 will do just fine, r5 for the pro who wants picture perfect but there’s trade offs that makes the r6mk2 more appealing
For sport photo (Motorsport) witch do you prefer?
Unfortunately I don't do much photography and have not shot motorsports so I can't give you much of an opinion on that.
hello,
I usually use photography and video together in my works. I shoot short videos. (4k 60fps) how long can the warm-up time be in such a use?
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Thanks for another great one!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
R6II better for me as a photographer because 24mp is enough for me, dont crop, better af, pre burst
Great Content. Would you recommend the Sony fx3 or the canon r6 mark ii for Documentary/Vlog content?
Thanks! FX3 for doc work. Either for vlogging. Lenses play a big part in this decision too.
I have R6, should i get a second, R5 or R6ii? Still dont know.. just doing sport photography
What did you decide ?
Very good side by side, Josh! I was waiting to see this video.
Did you also test FHD 60fps sharpness in both cameras?
Thanks for the comparison and cheers from Buenos Aires
Thanks! I didn't do that test. There are only so many comparisons I get to. If I had to guess it would be very similar to the 1080p120 that is shown in this video.
r6ii clog3 is very noisy (i would love to use it but there is a problem with noise even at iso 800 and in camera noise reduction to max). Somebody tell me why?
I am going to make a video about this. I talk about it a bit in my last video. If you have a scene without a lot of dynamic range you might want to overexpose a bit.
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@@Josh_Sattin Hi, thank you for Your response. Today i tested 4k 50p IPB , clog3, and footage was very clean in low light (indoor) at any ISOs. Than i switched to FHD 50p IPB, clog3 and footage become noisy (only under precise exposure setting was just ok but not). Maybe i´m missing something why on FHD im getting this ugly noise. (24-105 f4L, 1/100s, f4, NR -med, lens corrections all on )
I know you have commented several times about this and I have commented that the noise reduction is set as default (not off). In my studio tests, I am exposing based on Canon's recommendations. If you expose to 35% on a gray card in Clog 3 then you will see what I show. This camera definitely appears to benefit from overexposing the image, but that is always a trade off. I plan on making a detailed video about this, but I've just been super busy.
Strange. I shot vlog at night in the car with just traffic and street lights and I did not see a difference between my A7IV and my R6Mk2. I expose the R6 with +1.5 stops and use a Canon or a Sony lut ( yes Sony ). I super happy with ISO 3200 virtually no noise and seems same as my Sony which I just sold. CLOG 3 / Cinema Gamut / Sharpness +3 / Saturation +1. I use the official Canon Lut the 33DR Cinema to Rec 709 cube file or the official SonySLog3CinetoRec709v1 with minor tweaks scene dependent. High ISO Speed NR standard. I found all other Canon luts tend to add more noise. I shot a single sceene and applied over 140 free luts I have and these 2 worked the best.
@@77dris Yes in 4k video is very clean and nice, switching to FHD as if quality of DR drops significantly and idk why.
Have watched many comparison and I endup confused coz of contradictions especially on image quality.
Top notch review.
Thanks for watching!
Hello Josh , thanks for the video. I now have both of these cameras. Sold my R6 and my A7IV with all my Sony except the 200-600. I'm a hybrid shooter for family videos and photos. Question: is there any quality difference on R5 between UHD vs DCI. I shot UHD and convert to 2:1 video aspect ratio so slightly more black bars than DCI. So is there any reason for me to record DCI ? Any quality benefit. I also enjoy the dials on the R6 compared to the mode system on the R5. I noticed the Audio in auto mode is much cleaner and louder on the R6Mk2 vs the R5. Congrats on the sponsor squarespace.
You're welcome. I didn't directly compare the UHD and DCI, but I assume they would be pretty much the same. I also didn't check the field of view. In most cameras the field of view is just wider with DCI, the camera will crop off the edges to give you the UHD image. There are some Sony cameras (and probably others) that do this the other way around, which is weird. I would chose the recording format that is closest to your final output so there is less cropping. If you are converting to 2:1 then 17:9 (DCI) is closer than 16:9 (UHD).
Is the R6 MK II much better then the Sony a7iv? I’m trying to decide which one for video.
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This is awesome thanks!!
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
So, what comes to AF speed and reliability (especially in dim light) and the stabilization how does the R6ii compare to the A7IV and SIII?
I haven't done all of those specific comparisons. You can see my A7IV vs R6II video: ruclips.net/video/0OfUBOtj_NM/видео.html
@@Josh_Sattin If you had to say based on experience rather than based on tests?
Canon stabilization is better than Sony in most situations. I don't shoot in low light very often so I don't have much input on that. I haven't tested the autofocus side by side in enough situations to give you a definitive answer. A lot of it comes down to which lenses you are using too. Lots of variables.
Helpful info!! I’m trying to decide between the 2. Really a newbie. Only a little experience (t7 for a few weeks lol) but will be doing wildlife photography so wanting the higher megapixel but been told the r5 is too much for a beginner. Thoughts.
R5 is a fantastic photo camera. It really comes down to your budget.
@@Josh_Sattin budget isn’t the issue. I’ve just heard not to start with a R5. Also the storage a big issue with computers bc of the massive files. Even looking at the R6. Too many choices lol
Is the 4K 60 line skipped in the R6 Mark II?
It is not. It is oversampled from 6K.
I dont know why people keep asking for CF Express on enthusiast level cameras like the R6m2. R5 is closer to the entry pro level camera whereas R6m2 is only meant for enthusiasts. Enthusiasts dont always need to burst super-fast or do high end video so they dont need CF Express on the body. If "professionals" wanna do serious works get the R5 R3 and those would have CF Express. Pretty sure Canon already had the strategy planned out for these cameras and who they were meant to target. The R6m2 is only 2500$ it makes no sense to buy a 512gb CF Express card for 20% the cost of the camera body itself. Just because some "pros" want it on the R6m2 so they can buy cheaper camera for work doesnt mean consumer folks will appreciate it. I personally dont see a reason why i would want the CF Express because I dont need to shoot that fast or record 6K 8K stuffs on it. If i was doing more serious pro stuffs I would go for a higher end camera.
Great Video
Thanks!
r5 или r6m2 вот в чем вопрос?
What camera did you film this video with?
I don't remember. It might have been the R5C.
@@Josh_Sattin ah ok. I've been looking at getting one.
@@MotionArt_Films Here's my review: ruclips.net/video/mzPyd9pkBlI/видео.html
hi would you like to join me and my panel on one of my livestreams ?
Hello Josh, is there a noticeable difference on the EVF between the R5 and R6 Mark II when you’re viewing?
Yes. I believe I mention that in this video.
Sweet!
5dmkii should be soon soon. once panny and sony announcements buzz die off. Its canons turn.
So what I’m hearing is: “don’t pay full price for the R5”
One thing makes R6 mark Ii a deal breaker for is the the lock button. I would appreciate if Canon gets rid of it. I never the lock button on my R5. I'm thinking waiting for the r5 Ii and use my current r5 as my back up camera.😂 I really hope that r5 Ii have the flip screen like Sony a7r5 and stacked sensor.
Lol your tripod handle and clamp setup, no shade
Haha. I have been using that for a while and you are the first person to comment on it. Not the prettiest, but it works fine.
@@Josh_Sattin it was such a weird angle, so it wasn't a tripod stand. It was angled like the bottom of a tripod stand though, and I saw the handle and I realized it was a manfrotto handle. Thanks for keeping the head in the frame. Ps got the r5c, thanks for helping navigate us through La jungla
It's actually an iFootage K5 head and handle. Yeah, it's nice to see skin tones during a lot of the dynamic range and low light tests. Thanks for watching and enjoy the R5C!
They are definitely not “very similar in price”.
There was a video last week where the R6mk2 was compared against the A7mkIV and Pany S5ii. The R6 mkii performed poorly (it was a Panasonic centric video) having long delays on a subject entering the scene. I asked the youtuber how it was set up, he said factory default settings. I think the cases must have been inappropriate. The video is here, whsts your opinion? ruclips.net/video/3jWoirxDCCw/видео.html
All those free trips to Japan make me sceptical of those early reviews of the S5ii. Thanks
@@77dris I've noted that the majority of the 'VS' exclude the R6mkii, I guess because it can do uncropped 4k 60 and 40fps. Seems they on what to look at the A7IV.
Also amazes me when they say their video is not sponsored but got a free holiday to Japan!
@@77dris Oh maaaan.... I am glad you loved your camera decision choise... but you really do not have to justify it under every single one video about r6... for some people use cases panasonic s5 mii will be better in autofocus, image quality and software features, also great stabilizer and burn in luts with great LOG gamma with clean colors... not to say that one company has baned us from buying ink for our printers and lenses for our bodies, it is not exeptable for lots of people that has self respect. For example i can choose panasonic s5 first version for "live image composite" feature only any day of the week over r6 mii, for every person each choise...
Similar in price? 🤣