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I would like to point out that after the Dante release, Chroma became immediately unplayable due to the unique nature of Dante's overshield health buff. DE was forced to rework vex armor which made it so that whenever you killed an enemy you were able to increase both your armor and damage. Also, if you remove the Effigy ability in exchange for Tharros Strike, you are able to +DMG, ARMOR, HEALTH/ARMOR/RELOAD SPD/SHIELDS for all of your allies and -ARMOR to all enemies in front of you. He may be a dragon, but he plays more like a Bard from DND. If anything, I would say that with helminth, he's at worst B tier.
@@cakekiller1051because it makes no sense to slap an image with no details. It makes much more sense to check which warframes you are interested in and what's their tier like
Btw qorvex's pillars do have an extremely strong use that is simply not mentioned anywhere in game for some reason, If you hit a pillar with his lazer on top of the enhanced output of the waves the waves activate additional chain explosions that are created by hitting enemies with his 4, having 2 pillars in a crowd being hit by his 4th massively increases his nuking potential
@@emilystrong7682 yeah ofc but the DMG the 4th do doesn't scale that much from strength so instead you could mod for range and make so that a whole room gets hit by the debuff and gets reseted everytime the pillar pulses instead of just the moment you apply the debuff
@@emilystrong7682 it isn’t lower damage though, hitting the pillars doesn’t take your entire beams duration so your beam can still deal its damage while gaining the additional damage from the pillars
Thanks for giving my man Rhino some love. I feel he's largely underappreciated because of the likes of Nezha, but Rhino will always be a king to me (Millions of Iron Skin makes me feel all warm and tingly.) I do however think Hildryn deserved a bit more love in here. Her 2 + 3 is like old "World on Fire" Ember. Put 300+ ability strength and Pillage can single-cast-full-strip armor enemies on entire map tiles. She also isn't bound to Energy, so no energy pad plopping necessary. Also, best shield-gating in the game.
3.5 second shield gate for you and your whole team, AKA long enough to get a full recharge from arcane aegis. Also just an absolute insane amount of EHP before the gate even kicks in.
I started Warframe with Rhino as my 2nd frame, so it’s probably an unfair of a comparison vs Nezha (31% vs 9% usage) but even after playing Nezha Prime exclusively for like 4 months doing quest catchups (Chains of Harrow all the way to Angels of the Zariman) I still go back to Rhino. He seems to just get good every update without any significant direct changes. Every new mechanic seems to improve him indirectly.
Voruna surprised the crap out of me. She might be the best melee frame, with massive Condition Overload potential. She's also one of the most well-rounded, with great survivability and infinite energy with her 3 and 2 synergy, plus speed and flat invisibility with her 1, not to mention constant status and knockdown immunity with no energy cost using her 2's passive. I really hope she doesn't get nerfed in the future; she's amazing.
@@DrewBoivie I don't use her invisibility for survivability. For that I use her 2 and 3 synergy and the Equilibrium and Health Conversion mods. She can't die because she's constantly being healed.
i dont think she if any frame will be nerfed anytime soon, with incarnons being as powerful as they are (and being untouched) it would be odd for frames to be nerfed
Hildryn is high A to S teir. Putting elemental ward as her first ability then combined with blazing pillage and archon stretch makes her a monster for stripping and clearing
Sure but having 1 setup that works doesn’t mean the warframe is S tier. Every warframe in the game almost has a build that makes it S tier. Just look at chroma with arcane battery, xoris and quick thinking and you have an unkillable frame with a glaive that nukes every room. That doesn’t mean chroma is S tier, its hard to build for and only has 1 or 2 niche setups to work.
Its worth noting with qorvex that shooting his pillars with his 4 causes them explode like enemies do, allowing for some very potent room clearing/burst damage. It may not be enough to move him up a rank, but its worth knowing
I would highly recommend giving Ember another chance! She can get obscenely tanky while also dealing massive AoE damage with her 4, and here's a correction: Her 3 doesn't need the target to be vulnerable to knockdowns, certain enemies (most bosses) are simply immune to the ability, but she can full strip void angels, overguarded enemies, etc without issue. She's not perfect, but i play her almost exclusively and she's a lot more versatile than people realize. Oh, and if you're having trouble with managing her immolation gauge, try running high efficiency. Spam 4 and make sure to reset Immolation's energy drain every so often by casting 3. If you want it even easier, use Nourish in place of Fireball. I also advise running her Exothermic augment in most cases as it vastly improves her energy economy. Anyways, hope you'll give her another try. Oh, and having played her since beta, I can confidently say this is the best shape Ember has ever been in. People often say 'old Ember was better', but what they mean by that is 'old Ember was easier'. They just want World On Fire back. Inferno scales much better, deals far more damage, and it's augment is much better. The only thing i miss about old Ember is accelerant, but she doesn't need that anymore, with her armour strip. Think of her heat gauge as a resource you spend- casting 1 and 4 builds more Heat faster- Fireball casts add 1% Heat generation per second, Inferno casts add 3%. Every Fireblast both immediately reduces your Heat level by 30%, and reduces your heat generation rate by 2% per second. With sufficient efficiency and/or duration, you can remain at max heat for the vast majority of the mission. Additionally, don't overlook her passive; there is no cap. In steel path with good spawn density, you can easily reach over 200% extra Strength from Ember's passive alone. She has her problems- When will you fix Fire Blast's line of sight detection, DE? - but I definitely think she's more deserving of a B or possibly A-.
How do you run survivability on yours? Shield gating? Health tank? I’m curious because I find that aspect is the only issue I run into with her for endless endurance.
I was surprised how low he rated her,she's excellent in endurance runs. Prob B since she does lack flexibility in other modes as she def shines more with hordes.
I think a rework of older passives across the board will go a long way to bring frames like Excalibur into the present day. It seems every frame made or reworked in the past few years has a passive so strong we'd probably cast it as a buff if we could... And there's Excalibur who only very slightly buffs a select few melee classes along with his 4. Or Loki, who sticks to walls a bit longer.
@@page8301 you didnt just seriously say that Rhinos passive isnt that terrible it might as well not exist, him,, Frost, Chroma, Loki, Gara and many more need rework on their passives he is a Rhino, make his passive movement buff that scales but only while going in 1 direction, as his kit is completely fine barring his 1, but he could use some movement speed so thats cute but also somewhat useful passive. Or just give him some generic new style passive that buffs him in some way, give him like some random scaling buff for every enemy that hits him in certain time wondow, call it raging thino or some crap
Excal is generally on the edge of being on the level of Vot and Mag in terms of being fun and strong he suffers from "augment needs to be a part of the ability" with his 3, his 1 and 4 are fine, funny enough what used to be one of his 2 useful abilities in his 2 is the one that needs rework or completely new ability, giving hime some better CC, survivability, or some buff. When it comes to his passive, would be funny if they gave him very generous range and attack speed buffs for swords, they generally need to play a bit more with melee range its underapreciated
as an oberon main (and one from before his rework) it makes me sad to see him never get very high in the ranks, but that doesnt meant i dont understand or agree with the points. he really is a "jack-of-all" kinda goat, with all the ups and downs associated with that label. personally i feel he does have pretty east SP viability, if you mod for his 4's augment (aka the flashbang build) and subsume either his 1 or 3 out, depending on if you need that little bit of dps or sustain. he has pretty decent cc, has a pretty big range for his carpet nuke (if you aug his 2), has both self and party sustain with his 3 (with some i-frames as a treat if using pheonix), and the buffs of his 1 make him not a bad option for eidolon runs. basically his is good for the casual soloist who wants the option for SP, but not the focus on it
congrats on the sponsor, kyaii without using any bias i can say that this tier list is actually very fair, i was expecting you to quickly go over some frames and not talk anything about them, but you actually did explain them in detail as far as im watching nice tier list 👍
I love that you specified each warframe is vlusable. Just some are weaker, some are weaker by alot, but all are useable. Makes a new player like me wanna try out as many as I can to try and find the one I enjoy the most right now.
Im so glad nezha is ranked in A. A lot of other content creators have ranked him low or just dont know his vaule. He's super versatile. I have so many different versions of him that I can run him in any content imaginable. Not only is he good at tanking but lowkey provides so much team support. Safeguard augment, while I don't really use it anymore, still provides almost anything with 90% dr - this includes companions! He's very cool, very stylish, very versatile.
@@sethcraven2955 for a beginner Nezhas fine however you build him later down the line when you get helminth and better mods is when he shines the most and then you need to worry about how to build him, until then whatever you put on him works, duration range efficiency and strenght all benefit him in some way. If I had to order them it would probably go Strength, Efficiency and Duration are both the same, and range is least important
@@sethcraven2955 Alright so nezha is practically immortal for pretty much all content thats not like level 5000+ (and even then you can make him immortal the usual ways with shield gating). Since you started 3 days ago Im not sure I should spoil some of the things so continue reading if you don't really care. After getting rank 3 with the entrati family you'll have access to the Helminth system. Basically you can sacrifice a warframe and one predetermined ability will be able to replace an ability on another frame. This as you can imagine makes some pretty strong combinations for some frames. Nezha is one of them. General build (no subsume): Nezha doesnt need anything super fancy and just these mods are enough for him to do everything. Vitality, Steel fiber, Intensify, Equilibrium, Augur Secrets. You mainly want to get as much health and strength on the build as you can as thats what his Halo scales off. Everything else is preference. All builds you either replace his 1 or 4, its preference. Roar build: You mainly want strength and duration, so you'd add in narrow minded and continuity. Terrify build: This is a build using nekros' Terrify as an aoe armor strip + CC. You'll need at least 200% power strength for it to power strip. You don't necessarily need range for this as there is an enemy cap but you could put in a stretch if you wanted to. Pillage build: I have it but personally I dont use it as you need 328% power strength with corrosive projection. Pillage also increases its aoe with duration so needed both of these stats cut down on the mod space. Tharros Strike: My favourite build using stynax's ability. Caution, you might not want to sacrifice him until you have two built, as he currently hes pretty good. Tharros strike is amazing because its a defense strip (armor, shields) and it works on things it really shouldnt (angels, acolytes). The range is small but I use it for single target purposes. Nezha can work with many other subsumes as well. Nourish, Silence, Coil horizon, Tempest barrage, Ensnare, Eclipse, Gloom. Since you mostly build for around 200% strength it makes him pretty versatile with other stats. Currently I run: Umbral mods, Equilibrium, Adaptation, Rolling guard, energy nexus, and catalyzing shields. With brief respite aura mod, and arcane blessing and arcane avenger. He has so many layers of defense he doesnt really die (extremely hard to).
Every tier list needs a visual overall summary...usually at the end at least. That being said, I found myself being fairly in sync with the placements...at least as much as anyone reasonably can be with someone else's tier list.
hearing a raid segment on this channel is not something I expected to hear before year's end, but congrats on getting the sponsorship :3 glad helminths are figuring into this one, nice to see how the final list deviates from the livestream's edit: finished this college course-length lecture. it rly needs to be said more often what a bad place my lady Trinity is in 😭like there are builds that can work but I'd fight for her to get that rework before Chroma gets his. Also as a melee frame Voruna is excellent (messed around in SP Circulus today with M. Influence for an hour, crowds were dying left and right) with good survival on her 1 and maybe subsume Shooting Gallery w/Muzzle Flash onto her 4 for more consistent safety, but when frames like Saryn and Kullervo exist she does feel a little redundant
Thanks for this vid man. I just got back into warframe like 2 weeks ago and decided to get Kullervo because I liked the idea of teleporting like if it's Dishonored and have been PLEASENTLY surprised how much i love that warframe.
Valkyr is one note, but in her element that note is soooo strong. With tennokai and Naramon allowing regular hits in the tens of millions in SP, and Voruna's helminth/equilibrium allowing almost infinite Hysteria, she's THE melee frame imho. (But fear those nullifiers!)
I haven't finished the video yet, but on Frost; I believe with a few changes he could be much better. Understandably, keeping his 1 the same makes sense, as he's an "elemental" warframe, and they all have that shared ability. Merging his 2 and 4 into one ability, and making it tap/hold cast (either as a wave, or as a 360), would make it much better. Allowing his 3 to also be tap/held (or perhaps even pick-up-able, like Volt's shield), would make it far more useful in more gamemodes. Maybe even make it like a frost eximus bubble, or a nullifier bubble. This allows him to have one new ability, and still keeps his aesthetic mostly the same; pretty much giving him the Vauban treatment.
make his 1 cone like harrows, would be infinitel better while keeping it almost the same, you could go even closer to harrow but instead of shields make it give him armor buff or oveguard, working in tandem with his 4th augment. Would also be a cheap way of CC and cheap way of frozing enemies, working with his augment or new passive. Make his passive either his augment for crit, or like embers, but instead of strenght for every enemy on fire, make it energy siphon or armor buff for every enemy frozen/with cold proc in his affinity range make his 2 areal coverage around him instead of cone in front of him, make enemies that walk on it get dmg vulnerability similair to Nezhas 2. Or go the hydroid plunde rroute and make it give him some buff while permanetly keeping cold procs active on all surrounding enemies make his 3 hold to cast so you can walk like eximus his 4th is fine and there, Frost is a caster frame that has snergy and all useful abilites, with easy helminthin his second
No matter who makes the tierlist, I love seeing my main Garuda up at the top 😂 in terms of versatility she's second to none, excelling in low level content, high level content, railjack/archwing, and even more obscure gamemodes like the index. The beauty of it is that her abilities don't "require" all that much of you, with only 136% strength maxing her 4's bleed chance, and no real consequences to dumping efficiency. She just GETS a multiplicative damage boost and guaranteed bleed procs for no reason! Helminth is extremely flexible on her as a result of these relatively low requirements. Gloom is popular and practically made for this warframe, but seeking talon's interactions with breach surge, roar, and nourish are crazy good. Slap on Molt Reconstruct and go ham. Very few warframes can claim to excel in both gunplay AND abilities like Garuda can. My favorite warframe and worth the 2 months it took me to get her prime 😭
I enjoyed your video a lot. I agree with your take on most warframes. The only one that I would have liked to see more discussion given to would be Wukong since he has invulnerability that can easily give 1500 armor, and healing that can also double as movement and skipping lasers in spy missions. His clone is nice, but it's not everything in his kit, and that's without his passive letting you die 3 times a mission and get rewarded instead of punished for it. For unranked, I didn't give Lavos much attention until recently, either. I saw TheKengineer's video about why he uses Lavos in most videos showing off weapons and became interested. Then I realized how potent it can be with the Mecha set especially. My current build is triple Umbral mods with full set Mecha between him and his pet and the augment for his first ability with Adaptation for good measure. It is so comfortable for most content and as long as some kind of orbs are dropping every 10 seconds (Synth Deconstruct helps with this), his passive makes him immune to statuses including knockdown, so no need for Primed Sure Footed like many frames need. Easy S tier for everything it can do and how fast it scales imo. Every time someone in a video like this talks about "CC", my first thought is "Crowd Control" and I get confused until I stop to think about it and realize what it is really about
I enjoy Wukong mainly for the clone. I enjoy having a built in teammate for the odd time that I get in over my head. My daughter's favorite is Yarelli, she just zooms around the level like a buzzsaw. Ivara I use mostly for spy missions. I just prowl thru the level and never come out of stealth. When I get low on energy I use an energy restore and I'm back to stealth.
Ngl Frost is fine. He’s probably the most accessible frame for low tier content. Like running constant relic fissure farming. Spam 4 and make 20-30 rounds go by in a pinch. While having the 3 to just help you in defense environments. Im sure there are better options but imo Frost is the defense frame. Or the most accessible anyway.
From a point of an unranked for you: Lavos is basically a faction damage weapons platform frame. Allows for you to mod weapons freely, apply faction specific damage with his abilities, support with universal energy/health orbs & ammo, health regen, and can carry quite a high DR with building into his armor. Focusing into just a minor amount of duration also allows for you to sustain the fact damage casts for longer ticking specific damage. He's not the best by any means, but he's surprisingly tanky for the casual SP player, and require zero energy given everything is on cool downs. . .giving you more leeway to not be so focused on efficiency as you can just cast his 3 into a crowd and you'd never notice any loss in efficiency at all. Just my thoughts. As you said in the beginning that there's always levels of subjectively to any tier list, but yours has some solid points made unlike some. Good job with it!
You should definitely look at Voruna, btw. Her entire kit works so well, she absolutely needs no helminthed abilities, and she just shreds through SP without any survivability issues, because of easy invisibility. Issues with her, however: • You cant use your weapons without deactivating her 4, which is a shame, because you would want to keep her 4 active permanently. Her augment is what makes this possible. Luckily, you dont really need to use her weapons, i just find it tricky to get around Nullifier bubbles. • Her other issue, with your criteria, is no looting capabilities. With this in mind, your ranking is correct, shes just an A. Shes just hella fun to play with. Can someone suggest to DE that we should have weapons that can give looting auras? Where we just need them equipped, and were good? Would make using any frame on Survival much smoother
You know what fair placement for my fancy hat boi. Limbo is too dependent on the player behind them, the amount of knowledge needed on different game mechanics really hinders him. I love him and streamlined his kit to bring him everywhere in warframe, from arbitrations to archon hunts. But he could really use some buffs or QoL changes to how he interacts with others in the game. A quick example of this is enemies in the rift should turn monochrome or something, giving a better tell to show they are in the rift instead of the little energy curtain at their feet.
Agree with everything on this beauty of a list, except for Harrow's and Volt's ratings. I would give Harrow a solid A tier and nudge Volt into very low S tier (not much difference but just my POV). As for Nidus, I personally have played him a lot and can safely say he's actually pretty good and fun to play with some nice fashion capabilities too, and if you understand his kit + pair him up with a good sqaud and loadout, he becomes a beast in endless missions and becomes even more coveted for things like Endo farming! Nidus in my eyes would get a low A+ tier or high A. If we ignore the level cap stuff and focus on base steel path, I think his survivability, dps and crowd control is quite impressive compared to almost all other frames and if we consider helminth options like strip or buffing, he becomes even more of a demon. Great list and wish ya an early happy New Year.
Nidus, Sevagot and Baruuk with correct gelminth becomes unkillable monsters on steel, well also Lavos can join them cause he without any gelminth can tank and rippin apart everything.
Can you tell me more about nidus endo farming and which ability you would replace for a helminth (I would assume his 4?) I'm a returning player after 3 years because of cross save
I disagree with the ember placement. You point out the fact that you want high immolation for DR but to use the armour strip you need to decrease your immolation. This is fair but what you can do is after you cast 2, look into a corner and spam 4 (wont hit enemies that are not on your screen so doenst cost energy). This increases the rate at which the meter increases. You can easily get it to max out almost instantly any time you cast 3. Her energy ramping mechanic is imo not really a problem as long as you play ember as intended. The energy drain on 2 only activates at 100 immolation. How much it drains per second depends on how long you have been at 100 immolation for. Casting 3 reduces immolation below 100 and so resets the counter. Regular 3 casts let you have much less energy drain (which you should be doing anyways). Her damage is good enough to kill weak mobs easily and if you need more, roar double dips your DoT on your 4 and heat inherit can boost it even further if you really need. She can also buff weapons a bit too. Her 1 augment gives her a lot of heat damage alongside armour strip and DR letting you focus on weapon play.
im around 500 hours into warframe right now, and a hildryn main, you know whats coming ill also give my thoughts on frames ive played and invested enough into that i feel confident in my opinion of them before i get to hildryn, gara i got her from a prime drop and all i remember when i was levelling her in SO was not understanding anything that my abilities did, i was maybe 70 hours into the game too and my only other frames at the time were excal and rhino after doing my research and correctly modding her it felt criminal that i just casually got her from a twitch drop, but disregarding how early i got her, shes not a frame i go back to, though i can appreciate the synergy of her kit hildryn this frame is why i installed. my in game name is literally WOMANENJOYER and man do i love a tall buff woman with a fat ass. for the criminally low price of 35 plat (25 plat for hildryn and 10 for blazing pillage) you have a low entry level room nuke. hildryn was the only reason i was able to do steel path before i had halfway decent weapons, she trivialised it, and her build scaling is just insane. blazing pillage makes haven useful and if you subsume roar onto her 1 or 4 (since we have clarified that this tierlist considers subsuming) congratulations, you have double dipped heat procks, and your final upgrades are going to be archon vitality (for double heat procks again) and archon shards for whatever your heart desires, faster casting speed, ability strength or duration, i have a lot invested into hildryn and i run her almost constantly, if i dont know who to run, im running hildryn, there is not a single thing ive taken hildryn into that she hasnt stomped and trivialised, and the only real investment you need is that 35 plat. absurd value for plat, you get to buff your teammates with overshields, heat procks, nuking capability, become unkillable, armor and shield stripping- its genuinely baffling to see people think so low of her, though i suppose it makes sense when these same people have played for so long that theres just always going to be a better option for one reason or another, for a newer player, hildryn is the goat nidus i got nidus prime recently and he is without question one of my favourite frames so far, up there with my hildryn. his 2 is a grouping ability that you use first, then you spam your 1 at the grouped ads to build stacks of his silly meter, which makes him stronger woo yeah. his 3 you slap on an enemy to share damage to making you immortal, you can also share it with an ally to buff them, his 4 makes the ground all infested and it buffs his abilities and makes it harder yet to kill him, oh and if you do somehow lose all your health, 15 stacks of your silly meter are consumed (not a lot at all) and youre given invulnerability for a little while, then if it happens again, itll take another 15- basically its as impossible to kill a nidus as it should be to kill a hildryn, once nidus is at his peak you would need to be actively trying to die, to actually die. Nidus' pitfall is that everyone nukes everything, you end up having to run off to some far corner of the map just to group ads in peace so you can build your silly meter, and he only truly thrives in endurance missions like the defense missions etc, but if you love running solo and you struggle with CC, murder and survivability, nidus is your frame, he was extremely popular when very long endurance missions were more common to do, but throughout the years he is still one of if not the best endurance frame. he was the first frame to have that perfect kit synergy, its genuinely such a perfect kit if you subsumed something onto nidus youd objectively make him worse, the only argument i could see would be to subsume something onto his 4, but i dont even know what id want, its such a sacrilegious idea. i loved nidus when i was levelling him in SO, hes my go to pick over hildryn sometimes when im doing ESO just because of how fun i find his kit, and any time i can bring nidus out, i will easy S tier despite him only thriving in defense / enduranc wukong another frame i got recently, i dont have him fully built but i love how he plays, hes basically chinese excalibur, twin definitely could be / should be stronger, his ex weapon is pretty damn good, but what will always bring me to wukong over excal is his 2, it is just so fun to use and is good for survivability, and i feel like thats what warframe is about, having fun. at the end of the day if we all ran volt to min max the shit out of the game itd be boring, he is fun to play and whilst hes in a similar position to excal, not exactly being insane but not bad either, his 2 is good for spy missions and i would consider running him for spy void relics, especially if i had the itch to play him, which i definitely do get, something about his 2 is like crack B-
Sevagoth should've stayed in the "unranked" category, but overall great tier list. It is undeniable that any frame can be viable nowdays, it's just that some take more effort and understanding than others.
@@kyaii I think he was underexamined a bit, it seemed not his shadow, helminth and forma count was considered. Not saying he should be higher or lower, just not understood :)
I will say using the busted infinite heavy melee red crit on chroma is actually incredibly cracked. With the right set up you reach 700k ehp (theoretically) and 200 million dmg glaive hits slap life strike on and your not dying for a LONG time. I haven’t even optimized it much aside from having molt augmented and I’ve gotten 147 Kpm on steel path. He’s not the best damage frame and has been left behind a lot but I don’t think he’s as bad as people think he is I think he’s a decent B but with the right people making builds could go up to A
At least some justified logic and actual reasoning was in this tierlist, unlike a certain rage bait tierlist where somehow caliban was better than lavos and hildryn
@kyaii Rest assured, the old Ember was in a similar position. Just in a different way. Her World On Fire was nice and I recall it being a toggle. But the issue she had back then was that she started out being a straight damage only frame. Her damage would quickly fall off on anything past level 100. You'd start to realize the decline at around lvl80+ targets. She was also very niche and only looked at as being good and acceptable to bring if it was a Grineer, or Infested mission. Most of the initial design philosophy, out the gate, was centered around having frames designed for specific purposes. Every frame would excel at killing specific enemy types. That's why the Void missions have mixed enemy packs. The Void was actually challenging back then and using the lasers on the Defense mission was actually necessary. Bear in my, this is from a time where Raids were "end game". Archon shards, and Helminth were not a thing AND Arcanes were coveted as being extremely rare to see and even harder to get. The Raids were the only place to get Arcanes and you had to have a pre-made group. They were also very difficult and you needed very specific frames for the proper group synergy to even have the chance at clearing it. Trinity was a MUST back then. I digress, back then things were not like they are now. In terms of accessibility for players. Ember was good to an extent, but never made it out of B+ tier. As it stands now, her mechanic is odd and cripples her kit. She did not have that issue back then. Sorry for the long, drawn out response. I just enjoy sharing my knowledge of what Warframe used to be and reminiscing a little bit.
I just got her and yeah I agree with his ranking. Don't get me wrong I love playing her! But he's right if you don't use immolation at 90% your going to cripple your energy And if there's no targets to fire blast your essentially wasting energy/ the armor strip. She CAN be amazing if actually have targets but half the time you won't. And her 4 is very niche. It doesn't do much damage if you don't build around it and it can create energy but there's better frames for that. Unless you build around her 4 it's just not good. And her 1 just sucks. Fire ball does no damage and it doesn't contribute to her kit it doesn't help build immolation and it doesn't help meteor or fireblast. It just does fire damage and that's if you can actually hit your target. Fireball has horrible range and accuracy. All in all I agree with you and him. Hopefully one day she gets a rework. I still like playing her as she is now she can be fun. Also sorry for the long response lol.
Excalibur be getting so many buffs recently that he is S Tier today. Also he isnt as simple as people may think since theres alot of modding around that Radial Howl if you are using Umbra...
Did nobody watch triburos' video on qorvex?? His pillars can be hit by his 4 to spread the super powerful chain explosions that his 4 makes, basically expanding his 4th ability into a massive lingering AOE of constant explosions!
I played ember during world on fire. What people don't tell you is it was completely worthless past level 40. She was never great before the rework, and the rework despite issues remains a massive improvement because 4 spam was all she had. Important to remember back then, fire didn't reduce armor and armor strip was not trivial to obtain. Ember had no innate armor strip.
Just a quick note on Voruna that makes her S tier imo. Her augment for her 4th lets her keep casting it for free as long as one of her five charges kills an enemy. Her 4th also doesn’t break stealth from her 1st. She also gets increased damage on the 4th from statuses and each kill she gets with it (up to 10x).
i keep forgetting about garuda, putting nourish on her with molt reconstruct and low efficiency is stupid op only missing thing from her is being able to get across tilesets in one bullet jump
@MrDrManPerson yes gloom is v good but u can get back to max hp with reconstruct and if u want free viral procs AND if u cast nourish and bloodletting u get max energy and u heal with reconstruct and u can spam 4 etc but yes gloom is V Good for garuda it's just nourish does it better
Yareli k drive really needs to be able to be modded. You very much can use her k drive in very tight maps she just has a learning curve and the stuff you can do in open one is genuinely one of the funniest ways to play imo
Agree with your Oberon assessment. Uncouple his 2 from his 3rd and 4th. Numbers tuneup. Make hallowed ground a circle regardless of range. If you wanna get spicey giveh allowed ground a slow for enemies that step on it. Still won't be the best frame, but he will be in a FAR better place.
27:52, Rhino shines the brightest THE moment you stop trying to build with his 2. He have EASILY the strongest damage buffing tool that affect the whole team. Since we are talking about helminths too. Nourish exists. (only a VERY few frames outclass him in raw damage buffing) .
@@PetroleumJellyJuggernaut Yes, that's why I said only a VERY few frame outclass him in raw dmg buffing. Eclipse helminthed Stealth frames does. Saryn with (heh) Roar does. Back on eclispse, The only consistent frames to be able to use it are Ivara and Loki. (Ash like roar better cuz slash). And Loki sucks. Ivara is not suitable for missions that can't be camped. And it's broken currently on new tileset cuz new lighting system. On the other hand, Roar boost global damage not just WEAPON dmg. And it's extremely powerful on frames that like both. Ash, Saryn, Kullervo etc. Don't get me wrong I like eclipse alot (Ivara 4 purple eclipse snapshotted to 560% permanent and a glaive is glorius) . It's just Roar has more places in builds.
someone once told me that yareli was the worst frame after hydroid's rework, but idk what they were talking about she's functionally immortal and turns ur secondary into god
I'm not sure how much research you did, but World on Fire Ember was worse than the current one. Before she was a squishy, ability damage oriented frame. Thing is, she had no damage. Her only use back in the day was to go into star chart level exterminates and walk to the extraction point, that's it. Everything above lvl 40 would pop her (sheld gating was not a thing back then) and World on Fire would tickle the enemies
Nyx is very underrated as a weapons platform tbh. but she needs to run at least two arguments imo to be very very good, which also isn't too bad considering how incredibly easy it is to mod her. Her argumented psychic bolts not only DEFENSE strip (armour, sprintspeed on infested AND shields!) but stonlock the enemies throughout the whole duration. Her 3 does not necessarily more than radiation but it's a 100% guaranteed, recastable proc in a huuuuge area with long duration, since on Nyx there is pretty much nothing you need to invest in a build, so you just cast it and with the evasion passive she has you're pretty much at peace for a minute or so... and then you can just recast it. Her 4 is a great panic button and with the argument you're literally an invincible tank, the damage bonus is also nice but neglectable. Her 1 could also be very useful in combination with her argumented 4, since you don't move around much then, but it's kinda useless when you dash around the map, as your new companion will just teleport around and do nothing, so that's an easy subsumed slot, lol I run her with Banshee's Silence on her first and it's just pure space ninja fun to be had with her, no weird build up to nuke a room or whatever, you just go in guns blazing and pick your targets as you please with nothing to stop you. I usually end up being the teams medic because they sooner or later run into enemies they couldn't outdamage... there is nothing to outdamage Nyx when it's not even shooting at her or when she's invincible when it does, lol
Nyx is underrated, and I gave my ideas on where she needs to be buffed in my comment. She's honestly my favorite frame right now. With like 2-4 minor-ish tweaks to her kit, she'd be an A+ frame through almost any meta without a doubt. Shame DE wont touch her though.
Ash's 4 can oneshot pretty much every enemy targetable by finishers, even at lvl cap, so i guess the only way the balance it out without nerfing ash is with his kps, right now his main issue is that he feels slow conpared to other frames
Ash 4 needs to be a tap/hold ability. If you tap it then it creates a circle that surrounds him and gradually gets bigger and any emeny inside gets the markings and it still drains energy per enemy. The hold would be the how it works now if you want to target a specific target
People always sleeping on Nezha. He's immune to all status/knockdown when his warding halo is up, while also giving invulnerability when casting and when it breaks. His safeguard augment allows him to use warding halo on defense targets or basically any allied entity with a health bar. So all defense targets now have a short period of invulnerability and 90% damage reduction. If you use your 4 to impale enemies with the spears, then use your chakram, your chakram will split in two every time it hits an impaled enemy. It also makes it so everyone they hit is guaranteed to drop a health orb and a 35% chance of dropping an energy orb. It's an Equilibrium wet dream. You can stack Arcane Blessing super quickly if you use that. Just need to use your 4 and chakram on a couple groups and its fully stacked. I prefer to subsume armor strip over his 1. Terrify works well with his 4 as they won't flee when they are speared but doesn't work on bosses. A bunch of AOE cc, damage vulnerability + flame proc, and armor strip while being completely status immune and tanky as shit. As well as giving damage reduction, status immunity, and a few seconds of invulnerability to any ally/defense target with a health bar. You can genuinely solo whatever you desire. Also, I believe adaptation works with his halo, giving you 99% damage reduction, and wouldn't be surprised if allies with their adaptation and the safeguard halo could get the same.
As one of the 5 remaining frost mains left, from my experience, definitely a B tier, BUT he's somewhere between a B and a B+, arguably one of the most balanced frames out there since he has no nuke potential, but also has insane potential at the same time I found a small use for his 1 which was freezing one beefy enemy to charge my incarnon, this immensely helps when playing on controller since I was a PC guy before cross-save For his 2, I subsumed vial rush to give him a mobility ability, this is was prob one of my best decisions as the ability is cooldown and its "range" is its "duration" (Higher the range, longer the slide), by casting it and immediately jumping, you can end it early and cause a large explosion thats useful in clearing out rooms and areas full of containers, helps me separate them from voidplumes/other items on the map His 3 I didn't really use much, but I found that the small invincibility period of the globe comes in handy during some situations where you need to tank one big attack, I play vazarin however so this doesn't really see much use for me For his 4, augment of course, the overguard (Even just 1 point) helps with eliminating self knockdown and keeps me alive on steel path & above, 100% armor strip makes almost any weapon viable and the few seconds of frozen enemies allows me to have a little break and rack up headshots for an easy incarnon charge & galvanized/primary merciless/deadshot stacks Build for range with the minimum required str for 100% armor strip (Archon shards immensely help) and I find myself reaching hours on a SP survival, his only weakness is that he relies on large amount of enemies otherwise he folds with no health/shield mods
ember can still Armor strip without (2) pretty well as 2 casts is 100% + giving knockdown. and with 3rd party factors she can obliterate any SP content. personally (2) is 100% subsumed its just not worth using in any way (IMO). but i think people under estimate ember even with 3rd party factors, if were talking about just ember as herself with no weapons or helminth or any 3rd party factors then, (2)'s DR is somewhat useful and you can always Armor strip with (3) and (4) is great, in fact IMO it scales way better in todays warframe than WOF would. WOF was a low lvl nuke, quick fast mission clear and if SP existed back then she would have not been able to keep up I believe the change to her kit was for the best and I use her for a lot of content. As an ember main I have so much in her kit with helminth that I can do more than a lot of frames. this is in no way an insult just I think she could be given more credit
Thank you for your personal tier list, very concise and to the point. I don't really mind frames that have bad damage numbers as these days you can more or less mod every frame to be good in base steel path. For me, what's holding frames like Sevagoth and Valkyr back is their awful melee animations. Sevagoth radiates 'cool' both from a visual and lore perspective. Yet, when you activate his ghost form, his claw attacks feel like hitting the enemy with wet noodles. The same goes for Valkyr. The hysteria attack animations look and feel like punches and awkward half-kicks, instead of chaotic sweeping slashes. Not to mention, her first heavy attack is a leg slam??? I love both frames, though I will admit, the awkward attack animations take me out of the experience. The best example for claw attack animations, that I can think of right now, that would fit Valkyrs overall design is the melee attacks of the 'demonic shadowhunter' from Lost Ark. When I think of claw attacks, that's more or less what I would expect. I could be alone in this opinion, though it's more or less what bugs me. Like everyone else, I don't like using the sliding slash attack, yet it's the only one that doesn't feel awkward...
Wukong was done dirty here! His clone arguably doubles his damage, can be used to afk farm since he can kill groups without u doing anything and he can fucking prime, u can put an epitaph with viral on his clone and destroy everything with melee or have him distract and prime enemy groups with melee while you clear them with your primary. His 2 is just amazing, great for speed running, great healing, stuns enemies and can reposition him where he's needed like easily carrying excavator power cells across the map, reviving teammates or going straight into a vault's console. His 3 tanks him up pretty good and provides a good invulnerability window to avoid getting getting bursted like his 2. 4 is fun and a pretty thematic skill but personally I don't feel I need another melee as I'll already have a strong one equipped, this can be Helminthed or his 3. All in all Wukong is as tanky as he is versatile, he can be used in all content without any issue, funny that he's placed in B tier here underneath the likes of Banshee who can barely survive steel path without a Helminth skill or deep knowledge of shield gating mechanics, ludicrous even...
Wait a tier list without Yareli slander just saying Merulina bad??? I was always confused when being told Yareli was bad and then going through basically 75% of this game being a tank and making my secondary weapons going from afuris at the start of having her to my newer things like my tenet cycron or epitaph completely obliterate everyone. Like yeah she still has bugs and a lot of them but I do love my unique playstyle and the amount I can contribute to any activity even as her. I can even go through most missions except grineer without hitting anything on merulina or falling off a map, just took a lot of practice.
I've been playing warframe off and on since quite literally the day of release, with a rough combination of 11-12k hours over various platforms and accounts. One of my absolute favorite games to ever come out. Still got my headband and t-shirt. Used to get pissed at my old man for wearing the shirt, but since his passing in May of this year, I've come to appreciate the hell out of that shirt. Supposed to be a collectors item but I now prefer it to be used specifically because who used it haha. Makes me appreciate the game more. Was the only game my old man would watch me play and think it was "neat" lol. With all that in mind, Inaros is the best Warframe in the game. Thank you for reading. Jokes aside, love the video. Glad to see people still putting immense effort in making videos for this game. Been in the community for a lot of years and I miss watching a traditional teir list or gameplay without the obnoxious yelltuber getting overly hype to maintain our attention spans. Awesome content man, keep doing you.
I love Rhino. I have 3 Tau Blue shards for armor on him and 2 Tau Ambers for Parkour Velocity. He fits well and is never bad at any mission. The Amber shards help him keep up with the other faster frames very well too.
I played a lot with Chroma back in the day, after a while I switched to Baruuk... and then Gauss ran in and said: You know the love you have for those two other frames? Well, screw em. I'm gonna be your favorite frame from now on.
Your accurate and fair placement of Mag in this list earned you the like and subscribe. You’re the only WF content creator that acknowledges how good she is.
Fun list! Gotta hand it to DE fixing bad frames: Nezha, wukong, Grendel and now Hydroid have all gone from trash-tier memes to excellent and fun frames. Inaros will have his day, no doubt! :)
Wukong with the cloud is just too convenient for any go there and do this mission. As you like to say not playing wukong in any rescue, spy or capture mission is just wasting time unless you go with titania with primed sure footed and a constant drain of energy while still possibly be slower by flying into walls and getting lost in corners.
I haven't played for a while and used to main Hydroid. I agree that he used to be lowest of the low, but hearing this now brings a tear to my eye. 🥺 Sounds like I'll be hopping back in soon.
I play both Inaros and Lavos a lot! I agree with what u said about Inaros and most of what u said about Lavos. Hopefully, Sandy Boi will get some good lovin' in the future (a rework that makes Inaros better and without making him lose too much of his vibe). It pains me to say it but Inaros' passive is total ass. Lookin forward to your next year's content Kyaii. Keep it up!
so... trinity. She is tanky, I know, there are other frames with such atributes but check this out. Augment that armor strips (only 3 enemies but its always 3 enemies), augment that gives up to 350% crit chance, energy to friendlies, resistance and health and shield replenishment to friendlies, very good to assist allied players who are unsure about their build. Basically she allows you to go to steel path, take no damage whatsoever, meanwhile lets say u have a friend who is discovering new frames and he asks u for help, trinity can do that while at the same time making everyone enjoy the game. Conclusion, trinity is a good support as she can give health, resistance to damage, energy and occasionally crit chance and a weak but still possible armor strip frame. I wouldn't put her in D tier but i think she's better in B. Thank u for reading this
Coming from the good old days era, hearing that frost's 3 is "borderline trolling" makes me really sad. Frost used to be meta must have in every mission that required you to be static. It just feels so wrong for my dude. Used to love it. Same goes for trinity.
I admit I've been using the tier list on overframe recently, not as an actual I'll play as them since they're S rank but just an easier way to find builds and such. However I don't like following builds right down to the specifics since each frame ppl make like 5 different builds for and even use different polarities on each one. I just use them as a base to build off of, or just get an idea of what that frame needs more of. As someone who tends to play as all of them I don't want to follow one specific build. Although if I had to pick on frame to main it'll probably be Equinox Prime, she is probably one of if not my only all time favorite frame in the game. Love the balance between support and dps which I mean it's literally her character so it makes sense.
5:19 the fact you rate ash in B just shows you haven't looked into bladestorm, the true damage on that is downright busted. And with arcane trickery, he's also permanently invisible, basically applying what you said about loki's invis to ash aswell. he's also a decent weapons platform, using his passive + a slash weapon whenever you need some faster damage in between nuking everything in your line of sight. The two things holding him back are barrier of entry: innodem and arcane trickery are a massive part of his damage And the main reason i don't play him often: he is repetitive, not octavia/rev levels of easy, but still a bit boring
I explain why he is B tier though. Nothing but his 4th and maybe his 2 is that good and his 4th is slow. I credit Bladestorm being the entire reason he is still semi relevant
26:50 i dont know how much ti affects his rating, but the damage spreading of Qorvex's 4 is given to his pillars when he hits them with it, making the actual effect of 4's beam lasting longer than the initial cast
Kyaii's ranking: My ranking: Note: I gave unranked to the frames I do not own, and have not personally used or know enough about Ash: B C Atlas: B B Banshee: A- B Baruuk: A- A Caliban: D F Chroma: D D Citrine: A+ Unranked Dagath: A+ Unranked Ember: C D Equinox: A+ A+ Excalibur: B A- Frost: B C Gara: A+ A+ Garuda: S A+ Gauss: S S Grendel: A- S Gyre: A- Unranked Harrow: B S Hildryn: B- B- Hydroid: S Unranked Inaros: D- F Ivara: B- B+ Khora: S S Kullervo: S Unranked Lavos: Unranked (possibly C) A+ Limbo: A- (or B+) A Loki: B- B Mag: S S Mesa: S S Mirage: A- A Nekros: A- A Nezha: A- S Nidus: Unranked (possibly B) A Nova: A+ A+ Nyx: C D Oberon: C B Octavia: S S Protea: S S Qorvex: B Unranked Revenant: S S Rhino: S S Saryn: S S Sevagoth: B+ C Styanax: S S Titania: A- S Trinity: D F Valkyr: C B Vauban: Unranked (possibly B-) A Volt: A+ A Voruna: Unranked (possibly A) Unranked Wisp: A+ S Wukong: B B Xaku: S S Yareli: A- Unranked Zephyr: S S (My Main)
Tier lists are always subjective, and I appreciate you saying that up front. Agree with a lot of points on the list. Some frames I just won't use, also because I haven't ever gotted into them. My case for the following frames: Inaros is "easy". I agree with your rating that it's a trash frame, but he can absolutely be used for anything that doesn't have a defence objective. Just mod health and armor and then put arcane grace and guardian on him. Then bring a decent enough weapon and you can do any content. Ignore the existance of abilities. I recently started using him on the netracell missions. Whatever they throw at him, that 1% health regen my limited little arcane has is enough to make him near indestrucible. Add a Torid incarnon to the mix, and the mission is a fact, it just takes three times as long. As for Ivara: She is the perfect solo kuva lich, parvos sister, other boss kill or spy mission frame. For spy missions: just go permastealth, mod perspicacity on her and use the augments that she doesn't trigger lasers. Wukong and Loki do it better, but Ivara is definitely easier.
While I do generally agree with your stance on Yareli, id personally rank her lower just for her lack of flexibility with the helminth system. Her 1 and 4 feel very similar to each other, and itd be sick if you could have other means of cc or damage boosting.
I was really into Warframe when Mesa was new, and it breaks my heart to hear Ember isn't the "walk forward to delete everything" god she used to be 😭Her and Trinity were BUSTED fun. RIP
I agree with Loki's ranking but I disagree that all his abilities but his 2 are useless. His 4 with the augment disarms and gives everything in a very large radius a radiation proc. It doesn't kill everything sure but all of those enemies may as well be dead because they can't really kill you. Not saying it's the best ability in the game but it is useful.
@@kyaii It can help with keeping defense objectives alive and for the off moments when you're not invisible. Or to help teammates. It's just another layer of protection. It's also just lokis main way to deal with enemies other than weapons.
I don't necessarily miss World on Fire, but absolutely miss Accelerant. I understand why DE kept Fireball for thematic purposes, but augmented Accelerant gave the same buff as Fireball **and** a casting speed bonus for herself and teammates!
hey people this will be my opinion of the video, spoilers REALY long comment. --ash: men he is one of the easiest warframe to get to level cap, yes his 1 is slow whit hordes but that why he has his 4. --atlas: brother you give his 1 to much credit to put atlas in B tier, is strong but, in my opinion he is a C tier, the rock men need some help. --banshee: same as you brother, she is ok. --baruk: men all his abilities reduce restraint, to the point if you manage well, you can be in his 4 permanently. --caliban: literally the same , the sentient boy needs help. --chroma: nearly the same brother but, vex armor is really good if you want some dmg and resistance in the same bottom and elemental ward for more protection, the thing is his 1 do 0 dmg but is the way to change his elements and his 4 is out of profit taker useless, in the end i would say hi is form me a low A. and for the rework idea his passive, 1 and 4 need it the most, but men really chroma is not that bad to priorities him over other frames, inaros, yareli and titania are the ones that need it the most in my opinion of course. --citrin: best support, i would say that harrow can give her a run for her money in that assumption. --dagath: the same brother, she is a monster. --ember: i play her in her glory days, octavia or revenant are like her in those days, for the rest the same brother. --equinox: and same brother, one of my favorites too. --excalibur: wush, wush, next frame. --frost: ''this ones is tough'' in did brother, frost was and continues to be one of the best defensive frames but, a comparation with other defensive frames he is old, he still works perfectly but the other frames do more soo, he in not bad or underperforming but slow and clunky, he is the definition of ''to old for this sh#t'' his passive, 1 and 2 needs work his 3 is ok and 4 really strong. --gara: ''underrated'' not at all brother the 3 of 5 times you go to a defense mission you will find a gara brother and more if is steal path, for the rest the same. --garuda: same brother, she is strong as hell. --gauss: same again brother --grendel: i find grendel kind slow in what he does like frost, but in this case he buff every one with nourish so, strong, like sevagoth to in fact. --gyre: in my opinion she dosent strictly need helminth , she is strong in base form, cc, dmg and crit, A+. --harrow: the only reason that make harrow not de best support is that he need to be really active, lucky and with specific weapons for the mission he is playing, ignoring that, invulnerability , fire rate, life steal, faster reloads, and red crits, S+ --hildryn: she need help if not for pillage she would be wort than inaros. --hydroid: yes i like his rework next frame. --inaros: the frame that is in the need for a rework the most with out a question. --ivara: the frame that is used for memes that other things, the game mod were she shines is the game mode were she is dropped so you obtain her for doing missions were she should shine but other frames do it better, low B for my brother. --khora: i would be honest, i don't like that much khora, she is a trapper with a tone of dmg but, when the nerfs to the loot abilities come in tha last year, and then reverted, nekros is better in that so, she is strong i don't deny that but i like more nekros. --kullervo: the easiest frame for a S tier, the men is a best. --lavos: he is strong brother one of the most dmg in the game, IF you know what are you doing, if the enemy's are damageable with status procs, the are dead, like saryn but with all the status of the game. --limbo: the frame ''if you know what are you doing, do it well, if not dont play him'' jajajaja. --loki: alot of people doesn't know that this moth#r fu#ker has 2 types of invulnerabilities his invis and his 3, YES in base form he doesn't do much but his augments save him, you literally have the longest invul of the game in his 3 and is cheap, his 4 makes a whole room of enemys to be popys, his 2 ,if not for octavia, he would have the longest invis of the game, by duration, ok maybe ivara could give him a run for his money in that, but in resume loki is a frame that NEED his augments an he becomes op, the only thing that he would not have would be an armor strep , that pillge or tharros stike can make him op, and last if he is invis he has an augment in his dmg become the enemy are not seeing him. not an S tier because doesn't have buff in dmg for his team. --mag: the other frame"if you know what are you doing, do it well, if not, dont play him'' jajajaja. --mesa: piiuu,piiu,piu,pi, etc strong. --mirage: the "would you like to see me doing cap dmg, would you like to see me again". --nekros: one of the S tier frames, do everything he wants, Op. --nezha: our discounted rhino, but faster and with a tone of fire dmg. --nidus: the STACK frame, he normally see use in endless missions because of his passive, he technically is the easiest frame to endure in mission with only health/armor and DR, obviously not to max level but with good cc, health regen, invulnerability, he is the '' i was 1 hour in a mission and i dont know how i was doin it'' --nova: is one of my favorites frames, slow or fast if you need it, one of the digest DR in the game in hers 1, some dmg and some movement hit her rest of her kit, for my she is an S brother. --nyx: in my pinion nyx suffers even more than frost of being old, what ever she does now newer frames do it better or faster, i thick my bote fore a rework after inaros will be for her or titania. --oberon: yes the only thing he needs is a buff to his efficiency in his 3 because every thing in the team drains it, men one of the worst thing that can happened to an oberon is teaming whit a nekros that spam his 4, oberon literally will lose all his energy for that. --octavia: the boring frame if you dont like the mandacord, and if you like it, you will be days making your perfect music and probably playing with the shawzin in missions too, in my opinion one off the best buff that DE can give her is making her mandacord infinite so people can make music with more detail and not only 10 to 15 secs. --protea: yes same brother, next frame --qorvex: brother his pillars are a direct increse of his 4, is the opposite to wisp insted off using her 1 to buff her 4, he use his 4 to buff his 1, and the rest yes, but i thing that the reason way DE give him the highest base armor in the game. --revenant: the inmortal , next frame. --rhino: the inmortal with a tone of DMG, next frame. --saryn: the mop cleaner of the endless missions NEXT frame. --sevagoth: yes, the reason why people dont play him as much is because he is hard to get and when you finally obtain him, you have to choose, play him or helminth him, and gloom is strong in the 90% of the game simply for the life steal and then farm him again and people dont like play rail jack as much. --styanax: the reactor of energy, i think only harrow can give him competition in energy regen. --titania: the archwings frame, i like titania but she only have her 4 the rest of her abilities do next to nothing and her 2 dose not even work properly. --trinity: she NEED buffs or be return to her previous forms because a this point she does nothing to support, her buffs are simply small. --valkyer: when garuda come out, was the competition for the cat but when seva come out he is a better version of her , another frame that needs a buff. --vauban: the CC frame, the hard part of him is not his build, is that for playing him you need to know a tone of machanic of the game, a normal vauban only use bastilla and cc the map, a pro vauban do top dmg in his team for finisher dmg. --volt: a the eidolon hunter frame and speed runner. --voruna: a the status kullervo, next frame. --wisp: 0-o, the best support for low levels, but still a good one though. --wuong: the inmprtal hacker, next frame, and he was so popular becase his clone having infinite ammo and a tone of dmg. --xacu: in this case brother i dont have a opinion becase i dont have it. --yareli: the k drive titania, yes, may be she only needs an armor stripe o be strong but marelina is horrible. --zephyr: the old good bird woman, good cc, good dmg, good survivability , and movement to , yes an A+. hey brother sorry that this took me 3 days to doing it but i think i was in the need to put my opinion, by the way thank you to took the time to read it.
While I'm not a fan of the "It's just my opinion" shield, with you it seems more of a way to keep differences in opinions civil (as you also encourage someone making their case in the comments), rather than the blanket "Now I can't be criticised" assumption it often boils down to.
The ranking was pretty cool. As for everyone, I have divergences of opinions. Happy to see Citrine rightfully compared to Wisp when it comes to being a support Warframe. Citrine deserves the S tier for me. Give her Roar subsumed over her 4. Bonus point if you give Roar augment for even more damage reductions from puncture procs (good luck to your ally to die through her 2 and puncturing roar + health orbs) + another element for priming + the new crit chance buff from punctures. In a lot of rating, I see Wukong not being done justice and for this ranking I can't not talk about it because of your stance on Rhino. You value Rhino's 4 right? Excellent CC that works on Eximii! Well Wukong 1 augment is a mini Rhino 4. It also works on Eximii! Yes it only lasts 6sec unmoddable, yes it is cast around the clone, but its cast time is done by the clone, not you, and it only costs 25. In a world where Energy Nexus and Power Efficiency exist, that is crazy. It is so spammable. He has panic buttons, he can build shields (or even hybrid with the buffed Primed Vigor with the Defy armor bonus) so the shield meta isn't leaving him behind. I just think his 4 is really disappointing (and the 3 if you don't go hybrid) but to be honest just the 2 and the 1 WITH THE AUGMENT are so amazing he deserves a really high rank imo. As a non endurance player myself but a player that solos every content, I think one of the hardest and sometimes most unfair kind of missions that any player will face are the Defense missions in Duviri's experience, after you beat the worm, with the Eximus Stronghold. The missions you do to farm Duviri's Arcanes. If you happen to land on a Defense, in these high level Eximii Stronghold, without a good Defense Warframe that can either CC Eximii / Protect the objective / Nuke it all (this one is for you Kullervo), you may hit a wall. As such, I don't agree with some high rankings. For instance, while I absolutely love Gauss and playing him and I think he is absolutely excellent, would he be able to face this kind of mission? I'm not sure. I am aware not every Warframe should be expected to be a top tier Defense Warframe so that may be unfair, but that is a mission that is kind of a 'limit' to me as when you jump into Steel Path Duviri going for this farm you can't know if you will face this mission and you can't freely pick your Warframes/weapons and you have no companion, you have decrets that won't always carry this Defense.
Hildryn really deserves a higher rating. Assuming you are not fighting armorless infested, you can obliderate enemies well into the thousands of levels with blazing pillage and just using blazing pillage makes you borderline unkillable. Also lavos belongs in the "S rank for very specific farms" category since lavos is by far the best frame for railjack since your railjack abilities don't use energy and you can map nuke fairly easily with lavos's 4 ability. You also have some very interesting interactions with the archon mods
I would say Trinity's mark for death + ev + viral nuke can pull her out of D tier into high C or low B. But she does need a lot of love. I think her kit (minus her awful 1) is good, just needs tweaking. Like a channeled Link.
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I would like to point out that after the Dante release, Chroma became immediately unplayable due to the unique nature of Dante's overshield health buff. DE was forced to rework vex armor which made it so that whenever you killed an enemy you were able to increase both your armor and damage. Also, if you remove the Effigy ability in exchange for Tharros Strike, you are able to +DMG, ARMOR, HEALTH/ARMOR/RELOAD SPD/SHIELDS for all of your allies and -ARMOR to all enemies in front of you. He may be a dragon, but he plays more like a Bard from DND. If anything, I would say that with helminth, he's at worst B tier.
S: Garuda, Gauss, Hydroid, Khora, Kullervo, Mag, Mesa, Octavia, Protea, Revenant, Rhino, Saryn, Styanax, Xaku, Zephyr
A+: Citrine, Dagath, Equinox, Gara, Nova, Volt, Wisp,
A-: Banshee, Baruuk, Grendel, Gyre, Limbo, Mirage, Nekros, Nezha, Titania, Yareli,
B: Ash, Atlas, Excalibur, Frost, Harrow, Hildryn, Loki, Qorvex, Sevagoth, Wukong, Ivara
C: Ember, Nyx, Oberon, Valkyr
D: Caliban, Chroma, Inaros, Trinity,
Unranked: Lavos, Nidus, Vauban, Voruna,
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Thank you so much idk why he didn't just make a actual tier list
He said low B for Ivara, not D
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@@cakekiller1051because it makes no sense to slap an image with no details. It makes much more sense to check which warframes you are interested in and what's their tier like
Btw qorvex's pillars do have an extremely strong use that is simply not mentioned anywhere in game for some reason, If you hit a pillar with his lazer on top of the enhanced output of the waves the waves activate additional chain explosions that are created by hitting enemies with his 4, having 2 pillars in a crowd being hit by his 4th massively increases his nuking potential
True but… you do more dmg by just hitting enemies with the 4
@@emilystrong7682 yeah ofc but the DMG the 4th do doesn't scale that much from strength so instead you could mod for range and make so that a whole room gets hit by the debuff and gets reseted everytime the pillar pulses instead of just the moment you apply the debuff
@@emilystrong7682 it isn’t lower damage though, hitting the pillars doesn’t take your entire beams duration so your beam can still deal its damage while gaining the additional damage from the pillars
Could it be that you fellow people of the Internet have watched Triborous' video on Qorvex?
Thanks for giving my man Rhino some love. I feel he's largely underappreciated because of the likes of Nezha, but Rhino will always be a king to me (Millions of Iron Skin makes me feel all warm and tingly.)
I do however think Hildryn deserved a bit more love in here. Her 2 + 3 is like old "World on Fire" Ember. Put 300+ ability strength and Pillage can single-cast-full-strip armor enemies on entire map tiles. She also isn't bound to Energy, so no energy pad plopping necessary. Also, best shield-gating in the game.
3.5 second shield gate for you and your whole team, AKA long enough to get a full recharge from arcane aegis. Also just an absolute insane amount of EHP before the gate even kicks in.
crazy to think nezha used to be a joke next to rhino.
I started Warframe with Rhino as my 2nd frame, so it’s probably an unfair of a comparison vs Nezha (31% vs 9% usage) but even after playing Nezha Prime exclusively for like 4 months doing quest catchups (Chains of Harrow all the way to Angels of the Zariman) I still go back to Rhino.
He seems to just get good every update without any significant direct changes. Every new mechanic seems to improve him indirectly.
Voruna surprised the crap out of me. She might be the best melee frame, with massive Condition Overload potential. She's also one of the most well-rounded, with great survivability and infinite energy with her 3 and 2 synergy, plus speed and flat invisibility with her 1, not to mention constant status and knockdown immunity with no energy cost using her 2's passive. I really hope she doesn't get nerfed in the future; she's amazing.
I actually never use Voruna as melee since it cancels stealth and makes survivability harder. However, the ability focused builds are incredible.
@@DrewBoivie I don't use her invisibility for survivability. For that I use her 2 and 3 synergy and the Equilibrium and Health Conversion mods. She can't die because she's constantly being healed.
i dont think she if any frame will be nerfed anytime soon, with incarnons being as powerful as they are (and being untouched) it would be odd for frames to be nerfed
Yeah there are a lot of questionable placements in this video
Voruna in a nutshell:
“You wanna see me apply every status in the game on a single target?”
“You wanna see me do it again?”
Hildryn is high A to S teir. Putting elemental ward as her first ability then combined with blazing pillage and archon stretch makes her a monster for stripping and clearing
he didn't take helminth abilities into account, hildryn falls off without it, severely.
@@sinu9226”Severely” Not at all.
Sure but having 1 setup that works doesn’t mean the warframe is S tier. Every warframe in the game almost has a build that makes it S tier. Just look at chroma with arcane battery, xoris and quick thinking and you have an unkillable frame with a glaive that nukes every room. That doesn’t mean chroma is S tier, its hard to build for and only has 1 or 2 niche setups to work.
Its worth noting with qorvex that shooting his pillars with his 4 causes them explode like enemies do, allowing for some very potent room clearing/burst damage. It may not be enough to move him up a rank, but its worth knowing
I would highly recommend giving Ember another chance! She can get obscenely tanky while also dealing massive AoE damage with her 4, and here's a correction: Her 3 doesn't need the target to be vulnerable to knockdowns, certain enemies (most bosses) are simply immune to the ability, but she can full strip void angels, overguarded enemies, etc without issue. She's not perfect, but i play her almost exclusively and she's a lot more versatile than people realize. Oh, and if you're having trouble with managing her immolation gauge, try running high efficiency. Spam 4 and make sure to reset Immolation's energy drain every so often by casting 3. If you want it even easier, use Nourish in place of Fireball. I also advise running her Exothermic augment in most cases as it vastly improves her energy economy. Anyways, hope you'll give her another try. Oh, and having played her since beta, I can confidently say this is the best shape Ember has ever been in. People often say 'old Ember was better', but what they mean by that is 'old Ember was easier'. They just want World On Fire back. Inferno scales much better, deals far more damage, and it's augment is much better. The only thing i miss about old Ember is accelerant, but she doesn't need that anymore, with her armour strip. Think of her heat gauge as a resource you spend- casting 1 and 4 builds more Heat faster- Fireball casts add 1% Heat generation per second, Inferno casts add 3%. Every Fireblast both immediately reduces your Heat level by 30%, and reduces your heat generation rate by 2% per second. With sufficient efficiency and/or duration, you can remain at max heat for the vast majority of the mission. Additionally, don't overlook her passive; there is no cap. In steel path with good spawn density, you can easily reach over 200% extra Strength from Ember's passive alone.
She has her problems- When will you fix Fire Blast's line of sight detection, DE? - but I definitely think she's more deserving of a B or possibly A-.
How do you run survivability on yours? Shield gating? Health tank? I’m curious because I find that aspect is the only issue I run into with her for endless endurance.
@@lucfal5978 i mean if ur running endurance shield gating is a must on everything
I was surprised how low he rated her,she's excellent in endurance runs. Prob B since she does lack flexibility in other modes as she def shines more with hordes.
I think a rework of older passives across the board will go a long way to bring frames like Excalibur into the present day. It seems every frame made or reworked in the past few years has a passive so strong we'd probably cast it as a buff if we could... And there's Excalibur who only very slightly buffs a select few melee classes along with his 4. Or Loki, who sticks to walls a bit longer.
Loki could get a mini Arachne passive. Can keep the duration but give a damage buff for some seconds.
Don’t forget Rhino with his shockwave when falling from high places….
@@AceTheMadAngel It would not be as terrible if he was not forced into that long kneeing animation..
@@page8301 you didnt just seriously say that Rhinos passive isnt that terrible
it might as well not exist, him,, Frost, Chroma, Loki, Gara and many more need rework on their passives
he is a Rhino, make his passive movement buff that scales but only while going in 1 direction, as his kit is completely fine barring his 1, but he could use some movement speed so thats cute but also somewhat useful passive. Or just give him some generic new style passive that buffs him in some way, give him like some random scaling buff for every enemy that hits him in certain time wondow, call it raging thino or some crap
Excal is generally on the edge of being on the level of Vot and Mag in terms of being fun and strong
he suffers from "augment needs to be a part of the ability" with his 3, his 1 and 4 are fine, funny enough what used to be one of his 2 useful abilities in his 2 is the one that needs rework or completely new ability, giving hime some better CC, survivability, or some buff. When it comes to his passive, would be funny if they gave him very generous range and attack speed buffs for swords, they generally need to play a bit more with melee range its underapreciated
as an oberon main (and one from before his rework) it makes me sad to see him never get very high in the ranks, but that doesnt meant i dont understand or agree with the points. he really is a "jack-of-all" kinda goat, with all the ups and downs associated with that label. personally i feel he does have pretty east SP viability, if you mod for his 4's augment (aka the flashbang build) and subsume either his 1 or 3 out, depending on if you need that little bit of dps or sustain. he has pretty decent cc, has a pretty big range for his carpet nuke (if you aug his 2), has both self and party sustain with his 3 (with some i-frames as a treat if using pheonix), and the buffs of his 1 make him not a bad option for eidolon runs. basically his is good for the casual soloist who wants the option for SP, but not the focus on it
Revenant players…. Hear me out.
Love your channel also ❤
NovaUmbral on his way to convince people to use rhino over revenant
@@Boiled_Pizza fact
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We don’t judge revenant mains…….
But…
Yes, I showed A tier when I was talking about S tier, it's a mistake, I'm sorry 😭
you gotta remake the video now🎉
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bro cant take a joke @@The_Quaalude
@@Blueballs4849 go to L tier
You also never showed the final full rankings showing who is top and bottom of each tier like you said in the intro. Still a great vid!
Nidus was the frame that made me fall in love with this game again.
So glad to come back and see he has a Prime version out!
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"I understood that reference"
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without using any bias i can say that this tier list is actually very fair, i was expecting you to quickly go over some frames and not talk anything about them, but you actually did explain them in detail as far as im watching
nice tier list 👍
I love that you specified each warframe is vlusable. Just some are weaker, some are weaker by alot, but all are useable. Makes a new player like me wanna try out as many as I can to try and find the one I enjoy the most right now.
Finally a thought out tier list with explanations and reasonable rankings. Unlike he who shall not be named..
Who
I think he is talking about mr primed sure footed
@@blank6372 oh god, now you reminded me of his tierlist
@@Boiled_Pizza blank? xdd
mr put primed sure footed on warframe that passive are immune to knockdown
Voruna is actually pretty cracked for melee. You should try her.
I was ranking her up yesterday and hit for 200k with her 4 at level 11😂.
@@antviper135you can hit for 9 mil with kullvero with just his one, no condition overload
@@jermargin3310 Yea I hit for 3 million yesterday
Can someone suggest some good mods to put on voruna? And also best melee for her
Im so glad nezha is ranked in A. A lot of other content creators have ranked him low or just dont know his vaule. He's super versatile. I have so many different versions of him that I can run him in any content imaginable. Not only is he good at tanking but lowkey provides so much team support. Safeguard augment, while I don't really use it anymore, still provides almost anything with 90% dr - this includes companions! He's very cool, very stylish, very versatile.
Roar with his 2's damage vulnerability is nuts.
Would love to lnow some builds just started 3 days ago and looks so fun
@@sethcraven2955 for a beginner Nezhas fine however you build him
later down the line when you get helminth and better mods is when he shines the most and then you need to worry about how to build him, until then whatever you put on him works, duration range efficiency and strenght all benefit him in some way. If I had to order them it would probably go Strength, Efficiency and Duration are both the same, and range is least important
@@sethcraven2955 Alright so nezha is practically immortal for pretty much all content thats not like level 5000+ (and even then you can make him immortal the usual ways with shield gating).
Since you started 3 days ago Im not sure I should spoil some of the things so continue reading if you don't really care.
After getting rank 3 with the entrati family you'll have access to the Helminth system. Basically you can sacrifice a warframe and one predetermined ability will be able to replace an ability on another frame. This as you can imagine makes some pretty strong combinations for some frames. Nezha is one of them.
General build (no subsume): Nezha doesnt need anything super fancy and just these mods are enough for him to do everything. Vitality, Steel fiber, Intensify, Equilibrium, Augur Secrets. You mainly want to get as much health and strength on the build as you can as thats what his Halo scales off. Everything else is preference.
All builds you either replace his 1 or 4, its preference.
Roar build: You mainly want strength and duration, so you'd add in narrow minded and continuity.
Terrify build: This is a build using nekros' Terrify as an aoe armor strip + CC. You'll need at least 200% power strength for it to power strip. You don't necessarily need range for this as there is an enemy cap but you could put in a stretch if you wanted to.
Pillage build: I have it but personally I dont use it as you need 328% power strength with corrosive projection. Pillage also increases its aoe with duration so needed both of these stats cut down on the mod space.
Tharros Strike: My favourite build using stynax's ability. Caution, you might not want to sacrifice him until you have two built, as he currently hes pretty good. Tharros strike is amazing because its a defense strip (armor, shields) and it works on things it really shouldnt (angels, acolytes). The range is small but I use it for single target purposes.
Nezha can work with many other subsumes as well. Nourish, Silence, Coil horizon, Tempest barrage, Ensnare, Eclipse, Gloom. Since you mostly build for around 200% strength it makes him pretty versatile with other stats.
Currently I run: Umbral mods, Equilibrium, Adaptation, Rolling guard, energy nexus, and catalyzing shields. With brief respite aura mod, and arcane blessing and arcane avenger. He has so many layers of defense he doesnt really die (extremely hard to).
@@static4802i like pillage more, incarnons already do enough damage and pillage is fun to cast
Every tier list needs a visual overall summary...usually at the end at least.
That being said, I found myself being fairly in sync with the placements...at least as much as anyone reasonably can be with someone else's tier list.
hearing a raid segment on this channel is not something I expected to hear before year's end, but congrats on getting the sponsorship :3
glad helminths are figuring into this one, nice to see how the final list deviates from the livestream's
edit: finished this college course-length lecture. it rly needs to be said more often what a bad place my lady Trinity is in 😭like there are builds that can work but I'd fight for her to get that rework before Chroma gets his. Also as a melee frame Voruna is excellent (messed around in SP Circulus today with M. Influence for an hour, crowds were dying left and right) with good survival on her 1 and maybe subsume Shooting Gallery w/Muzzle Flash onto her 4 for more consistent safety, but when frames like Saryn and Kullervo exist she does feel a little redundant
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Thanks for this vid man. I just got back into warframe like 2 weeks ago and decided to get Kullervo because I liked the idea of teleporting like if it's Dishonored and have been PLEASENTLY surprised how much i love that warframe.
Valkyr is one note, but in her element that note is soooo strong. With tennokai and Naramon allowing regular hits in the tens of millions in SP, and Voruna's helminth/equilibrium allowing almost infinite Hysteria, she's THE melee frame imho. (But fear those nullifiers!)
I swear being a Revenant main is like constantly being bullied and completely understanding why
I haven't finished the video yet, but on Frost; I believe with a few changes he could be much better.
Understandably, keeping his 1 the same makes sense, as he's an "elemental" warframe, and they all have that shared ability.
Merging his 2 and 4 into one ability, and making it tap/hold cast (either as a wave, or as a 360), would make it much better.
Allowing his 3 to also be tap/held (or perhaps even pick-up-able, like Volt's shield), would make it far more useful in more gamemodes. Maybe even make it like a frost eximus bubble, or a nullifier bubble.
This allows him to have one new ability, and still keeps his aesthetic mostly the same; pretty much giving him the Vauban treatment.
make his 1 cone like harrows, would be infinitel better while keeping it almost the same, you could go even closer to harrow but instead of shields make it give him armor buff or oveguard, working in tandem with his 4th augment. Would also be a cheap way of CC and cheap way of frozing enemies, working with his augment or new passive. Make his passive either his augment for crit, or like embers, but instead of strenght for every enemy on fire, make it energy siphon or armor buff for every enemy frozen/with cold proc in his affinity range
make his 2 areal coverage around him instead of cone in front of him, make enemies that walk on it get dmg vulnerability similair to Nezhas 2. Or go the hydroid plunde rroute and make it give him some buff while permanetly keeping cold procs active on all surrounding enemies
make his 3 hold to cast so you can walk like eximus
his 4th is fine
and there, Frost is a caster frame that has snergy and all useful abilites, with easy helminthin his second
No matter who makes the tierlist, I love seeing my main Garuda up at the top 😂 in terms of versatility she's second to none, excelling in low level content, high level content, railjack/archwing, and even more obscure gamemodes like the index. The beauty of it is that her abilities don't "require" all that much of you, with only 136% strength maxing her 4's bleed chance, and no real consequences to dumping efficiency. She just GETS a multiplicative damage boost and guaranteed bleed procs for no reason!
Helminth is extremely flexible on her as a result of these relatively low requirements. Gloom is popular and practically made for this warframe, but seeking talon's interactions with breach surge, roar, and nourish are crazy good. Slap on Molt Reconstruct and go ham. Very few warframes can claim to excel in both gunplay AND abilities like Garuda can. My favorite warframe and worth the 2 months it took me to get her prime 😭
And this doesn't even mention her augments, all of which are very unique and useful. Once you go Blood Forge, it's hard to go back 💀
Lovin this, I played her before the rework, before the Prime. and I will main her for as long as I continue to play Warframe.
I enjoyed your video a lot. I agree with your take on most warframes.
The only one that I would have liked to see more discussion given to would be Wukong since he has invulnerability that can easily give 1500 armor, and healing that can also double as movement and skipping lasers in spy missions. His clone is nice, but it's not everything in his kit, and that's without his passive letting you die 3 times a mission and get rewarded instead of punished for it.
For unranked, I didn't give Lavos much attention until recently, either. I saw TheKengineer's video about why he uses Lavos in most videos showing off weapons and became interested. Then I realized how potent it can be with the Mecha set especially. My current build is triple Umbral mods with full set Mecha between him and his pet and the augment for his first ability with Adaptation for good measure. It is so comfortable for most content and as long as some kind of orbs are dropping every 10 seconds (Synth Deconstruct helps with this), his passive makes him immune to statuses including knockdown, so no need for Primed Sure Footed like many frames need. Easy S tier for everything it can do and how fast it scales imo.
Every time someone in a video like this talks about "CC", my first thought is "Crowd Control" and I get confused until I stop to think about it and realize what it is really about
I enjoy Wukong mainly for the clone. I enjoy having a built in teammate for the odd time that I get in over my head. My daughter's favorite is Yarelli, she just zooms around the level like a buzzsaw. Ivara I use mostly for spy missions. I just prowl thru the level and never come out of stealth. When I get low on energy I use an energy restore and I'm back to stealth.
Finally a tier list where Zephyr is not called trash or useless, she's a beast capable of insane damage output and survability making SP a joke.
i don't know which tierlist you saw before but i never heared someone calling her trash or useless, it's always very positive...
Probably the ones before she got reworked
@@MordeKhaiser It was on 2021, it's almost 3 years ago
Point me to the people calling zephyr trash.
I just wanna talk to them.
Fr 99% dmg dealt
Ngl Frost is fine. He’s probably the most accessible frame for low tier content. Like running constant relic fissure farming. Spam 4 and make 20-30 rounds go by in a pinch. While having the 3 to just help you in defense environments. Im sure there are better options but imo Frost is the defense frame. Or the most accessible anyway.
needs a rework, one of the main frames that do
YES FINALLY SOMEONE REALIZES HOW GOOD RHINO IS
From a point of an unranked for you: Lavos is basically a faction damage weapons platform frame. Allows for you to mod weapons freely, apply faction specific damage with his abilities, support with universal energy/health orbs & ammo, health regen, and can carry quite a high DR with building into his armor. Focusing into just a minor amount of duration also allows for you to sustain the fact damage casts for longer ticking specific damage. He's not the best by any means, but he's surprisingly tanky for the casual SP player, and require zero energy given everything is on cool downs. . .giving you more leeway to not be so focused on efficiency as you can just cast his 3 into a crowd and you'd never notice any loss in efficiency at all. Just my thoughts. As you said in the beginning that there's always levels of subjectively to any tier list, but yours has some solid points made unlike some. Good job with it!
You should definitely look at Voruna, btw. Her entire kit works so well, she absolutely needs no helminthed abilities, and she just shreds through SP without any survivability issues, because of easy invisibility.
Issues with her, however:
• You cant use your weapons without deactivating her 4, which is a shame, because you would want to keep her 4 active permanently. Her augment is what makes this possible. Luckily, you dont really need to use her weapons, i just find it tricky to get around Nullifier bubbles.
• Her other issue, with your criteria, is no looting capabilities. With this in mind, your ranking is correct, shes just an A. Shes just hella fun to play with.
Can someone suggest to DE that we should have weapons that can give looting auras? Where we just need them equipped, and were good? Would make using any frame on Survival much smoother
You know what fair placement for my fancy hat boi. Limbo is too dependent on the player behind them, the amount of knowledge needed on different game mechanics really hinders him.
I love him and streamlined his kit to bring him everywhere in warframe, from arbitrations to archon hunts. But he could really use some buffs or QoL changes to how he interacts with others in the game. A quick example of this is enemies in the rift should turn monochrome or something, giving a better tell to show they are in the rift instead of the little energy curtain at their feet.
I'd say limbo was ahead of his time if he came out tomorrow ppl would be crazy about him
As an Octavia main who enjoys playing her,I agree,don't play her,the less people know and play her the less likely DE is to nerf her.
Agree with everything on this beauty of a list, except for Harrow's and Volt's ratings. I would give Harrow a solid A tier and nudge Volt into very low S tier (not much difference but just my POV). As for Nidus, I personally have played him a lot and can safely say he's actually pretty good and fun to play with some nice fashion capabilities too, and if you understand his kit + pair him up with a good sqaud and loadout, he becomes a beast in endless missions and becomes even more coveted for things like Endo farming! Nidus in my eyes would get a low A+ tier or high A. If we ignore the level cap stuff and focus on base steel path, I think his survivability, dps and crowd control is quite impressive compared to almost all other frames and if we consider helminth options like strip or buffing, he becomes even more of a demon. Great list and wish ya an early happy New Year.
Nidus, Sevagot and Baruuk with correct gelminth becomes unkillable monsters on steel, well also Lavos can join them cause he without any gelminth can tank and rippin apart everything.
Can you tell me more about nidus endo farming and which ability you would replace for a helminth (I would assume his 4?) I'm a returning player after 3 years because of cross save
I disagree with the ember placement. You point out the fact that you want high immolation for DR but to use the armour strip you need to decrease your immolation.
This is fair but what you can do is after you cast 2, look into a corner and spam 4 (wont hit enemies that are not on your screen so doenst cost energy). This increases the rate at which the meter increases. You can easily get it to max out almost instantly any time you cast 3.
Her energy ramping mechanic is imo not really a problem as long as you play ember as intended. The energy drain on 2 only activates at 100 immolation. How much it drains per second depends on how long you have been at 100 immolation for. Casting 3 reduces immolation below 100 and so resets the counter. Regular 3 casts let you have much less energy drain (which you should be doing anyways).
Her damage is good enough to kill weak mobs easily and if you need more, roar double dips your DoT on your 4 and heat inherit can boost it even further if you really need.
She can also buff weapons a bit too. Her 1 augment gives her a lot of heat damage alongside armour strip and DR letting you focus on weapon play.
im around 500 hours into warframe right now, and a hildryn main, you know whats coming
ill also give my thoughts on frames ive played and invested enough into that i feel confident in my opinion of them
before i get to hildryn, gara
i got her from a prime drop and all i remember when i was levelling her in SO was not understanding anything that my abilities did, i was maybe 70 hours into the game too and my only other frames at the time were excal and rhino
after doing my research and correctly modding her it felt criminal that i just casually got her from a twitch drop, but disregarding how early i got her, shes not a frame i go back to, though i can appreciate the synergy of her kit
hildryn
this frame is why i installed. my in game name is literally WOMANENJOYER and man do i love a tall buff woman with a fat ass.
for the criminally low price of 35 plat (25 plat for hildryn and 10 for blazing pillage) you have a low entry level room nuke. hildryn was the only reason i was able to do steel path before i had halfway decent weapons, she trivialised it, and her build scaling is just insane. blazing pillage makes haven useful and if you subsume roar onto her 1 or 4 (since we have clarified that this tierlist considers subsuming) congratulations, you have double dipped heat procks, and your final upgrades are going to be archon vitality (for double heat procks again) and archon shards for whatever your heart desires, faster casting speed, ability strength or duration, i have a lot invested into hildryn and i run her almost constantly, if i dont know who to run, im running hildryn, there is not a single thing ive taken hildryn into that she hasnt stomped and trivialised, and the only real investment you need is that 35 plat. absurd value for plat, you get to buff your teammates with overshields, heat procks, nuking capability, become unkillable, armor and shield stripping- its genuinely baffling to see people think so low of her, though i suppose it makes sense when these same people have played for so long that theres just always going to be a better option for one reason or another, for a newer player, hildryn is the goat
nidus
i got nidus prime recently and he is without question one of my favourite frames so far, up there with my hildryn. his 2 is a grouping ability that you use first, then you spam your 1 at the grouped ads to build stacks of his silly meter, which makes him stronger woo yeah. his 3 you slap on an enemy to share damage to making you immortal, you can also share it with an ally to buff them, his 4 makes the ground all infested and it buffs his abilities and makes it harder yet to kill him, oh and if you do somehow lose all your health, 15 stacks of your silly meter are consumed (not a lot at all) and youre given invulnerability for a little while, then if it happens again, itll take another 15- basically its as impossible to kill a nidus as it should be to kill a hildryn, once nidus is at his peak you would need to be actively trying to die, to actually die.
Nidus' pitfall is that everyone nukes everything, you end up having to run off to some far corner of the map just to group ads in peace so you can build your silly meter, and he only truly thrives in endurance missions like the defense missions etc, but if you love running solo and you struggle with CC, murder and survivability, nidus is your frame, he was extremely popular when very long endurance missions were more common to do, but throughout the years he is still one of if not the best endurance frame. he was the first frame to have that perfect kit synergy, its genuinely such a perfect kit if you subsumed something onto nidus youd objectively make him worse, the only argument i could see would be to subsume something onto his 4, but i dont even know what id want, its such a sacrilegious idea.
i loved nidus when i was levelling him in SO, hes my go to pick over hildryn sometimes when im doing ESO just because of how fun i find his kit, and any time i can bring nidus out, i will
easy S tier despite him only thriving in defense / enduranc
wukong
another frame i got recently, i dont have him fully built but i love how he plays, hes basically chinese excalibur, twin definitely could be / should be stronger, his ex weapon is pretty damn good, but what will always bring me to wukong over excal is his 2, it is just so fun to use and is good for survivability, and i feel like thats what warframe is about, having fun. at the end of the day if we all ran volt to min max the shit out of the game itd be boring, he is fun to play and whilst hes in a similar position to excal, not exactly being insane but not bad either, his 2 is good for spy missions and i would consider running him for spy void relics, especially if i had the itch to play him, which i definitely do get, something about his 2 is like crack
B-
Sevagoth should've stayed in the "unranked" category, but overall great tier list. It is undeniable that any frame can be viable nowdays, it's just that some take more effort and understanding than others.
why should Sevagoth be in unranked lmao
@@kyaii I think he was underexamined a bit, it seemed not his shadow, helminth and forma count was considered. Not saying he should be higher or lower, just not understood :)
I will say using the busted infinite heavy melee red crit on chroma is actually incredibly cracked. With the right set up you reach 700k ehp (theoretically) and 200 million dmg glaive hits slap life strike on and your not dying for a LONG time. I haven’t even optimized it much aside from having molt augmented and I’ve gotten 147 Kpm on steel path. He’s not the best damage frame and has been left behind a lot but I don’t think he’s as bad as people think he is I think he’s a decent B but with the right people making builds could go up to A
At least some justified logic and actual reasoning was in this tierlist, unlike a certain rage bait tierlist where somehow caliban was better than lavos and hildryn
@kyaii
Rest assured, the old Ember was in a similar position. Just in a different way. Her World On Fire was nice and I recall it being a toggle. But the issue she had back then was that she started out being a straight damage only frame.
Her damage would quickly fall off on anything past level 100. You'd start to realize the decline at around lvl80+ targets.
She was also very niche and only looked at as being good and acceptable to bring if it was a Grineer, or Infested mission.
Most of the initial design philosophy, out the gate, was centered around having frames designed for specific purposes. Every frame would excel at killing specific enemy types. That's why the Void missions have mixed enemy packs. The Void was actually challenging back then and using the lasers on the Defense mission was actually necessary. Bear in my, this is from a time where Raids were "end game". Archon shards, and Helminth were not a thing AND Arcanes were coveted as being extremely rare to see and even harder to get. The Raids were the only place to get Arcanes and you had to have a pre-made group. They were also very difficult and you needed very specific frames for the proper group synergy to even have the chance at clearing it. Trinity was a MUST back then.
I digress, back then things were not like they are now. In terms of accessibility for players. Ember was good to an extent, but never made it out of B+ tier. As it stands now, her mechanic is odd and cripples her kit. She did not have that issue back then.
Sorry for the long, drawn out response. I just enjoy sharing my knowledge of what Warframe used to be and reminiscing a little bit.
I just got her and yeah I agree with his ranking. Don't get me wrong I love playing her! But he's right if you don't use immolation at 90% your going to cripple your energy And if there's no targets to fire blast your essentially wasting energy/ the armor strip. She CAN be amazing if actually have targets but half the time you won't. And her 4 is very niche. It doesn't do much damage if you don't build around it and it can create energy but there's better frames for that. Unless you build around her 4 it's just not good. And her 1 just sucks. Fire ball does no damage and it doesn't contribute to her kit it doesn't help build immolation and it doesn't help meteor or fireblast. It just does fire damage and that's if you can actually hit your target. Fireball has horrible range and accuracy. All in all I agree with you and him. Hopefully one day she gets a rework. I still like playing her as she is now she can be fun. Also sorry for the long response lol.
Excalibur be getting so many buffs recently that he is S Tier today. Also he isnt as simple as people may think since theres alot of modding around that Radial Howl if you are using Umbra...
Did nobody watch triburos' video on qorvex?? His pillars can be hit by his 4 to spread the super powerful chain explosions that his 4 makes, basically expanding his 4th ability into a massive lingering AOE of constant explosions!
I played ember during world on fire.
What people don't tell you is it was completely worthless past level 40. She was never great before the rework, and the rework despite issues remains a massive improvement because 4 spam was all she had.
Important to remember back then, fire didn't reduce armor and armor strip was not trivial to obtain. Ember had no innate armor strip.
Just a quick note on Voruna that makes her S tier imo. Her augment for her 4th lets her keep casting it for free as long as one of her five charges kills an enemy. Her 4th also doesn’t break stealth from her 1st. She also gets increased damage on the 4th from statuses and each kill she gets with it (up to 10x).
I'm so happy that Garuda is getting love ❤
The most downplayed warframe for years
i keep forgetting about garuda, putting nourish on her with molt reconstruct and low efficiency is stupid op
only missing thing from her is being able to get across tilesets in one bullet jump
@@knayvik why put noruish on her? She already has an energy generating ability that's great. Surely gloom or breach surge is much much better.
@@MrDrManPerson free viral stacks even on 4
@MrDrManPerson yes gloom is v good but u can get back to max hp with reconstruct and if u want free viral procs AND if u cast nourish and bloodletting u get max energy and u heal with reconstruct and u can spam 4 etc but yes gloom is V Good for garuda it's just nourish does it better
Yareli k drive really needs to be able to be modded. You very much can use her k drive in very tight maps she just has a learning curve and the stuff you can do in open one is genuinely one of the funniest ways to play imo
Agree with your Oberon assessment.
Uncouple his 2 from his 3rd and 4th.
Numbers tuneup.
Make hallowed ground a circle regardless of range.
If you wanna get spicey giveh allowed ground a slow for enemies that step on it.
Still won't be the best frame, but he will be in a FAR better place.
27:52, Rhino shines the brightest THE moment you stop trying to build with his 2. He have EASILY the strongest damage buffing tool that affect the whole team. Since we are talking about helminths too. Nourish exists. (only a VERY few frames outclass him in raw damage buffing) .
If we aren't taking in how consistent a dmg buff is, then eclipse takes that
@@PetroleumJellyJuggernaut Yes, that's why I said only a VERY few frame outclass him in raw dmg buffing.
Eclipse helminthed Stealth frames does.
Saryn with (heh) Roar does.
Back on eclispse, The only consistent frames to be able to use it are Ivara and Loki. (Ash like roar better cuz slash). And Loki sucks. Ivara is not suitable for missions that can't be camped. And it's broken currently on new tileset cuz new lighting system.
On the other hand, Roar boost global damage not just WEAPON dmg. And it's extremely powerful on frames that like both.
Ash, Saryn, Kullervo etc.
Don't get me wrong I like eclipse alot (Ivara 4 purple eclipse snapshotted to 560% permanent and a glaive is glorius) . It's just Roar has more places in builds.
someone once told me that yareli was the worst frame after hydroid's rework, but idk what they were talking about she's functionally immortal and turns ur secondary into god
They are still brainwashed because on her release she was terrible
I'm not sure how much research you did, but World on Fire Ember was worse than the current one. Before she was a squishy, ability damage oriented frame. Thing is, she had no damage. Her only use back in the day was to go into star chart level exterminates and walk to the extraction point, that's it. Everything above lvl 40 would pop her (sheld gating was not a thing back then) and World on Fire would tickle the enemies
I was thinking the same thing, she was unrivaled until you got to Saturn and that's about all she had in her.
Nyx is very underrated as a weapons platform tbh. but she needs to run at least two arguments imo to be very very good, which also isn't too bad considering how incredibly easy it is to mod her.
Her argumented psychic bolts not only DEFENSE strip (armour, sprintspeed on infested AND shields!) but stonlock the enemies throughout the whole duration.
Her 3 does not necessarily more than radiation but it's a 100% guaranteed, recastable proc in a huuuuge area with long duration, since on Nyx there is pretty much nothing you need to invest in a build, so you just cast it and with the evasion passive she has you're pretty much at peace for a minute or so... and then you can just recast it.
Her 4 is a great panic button and with the argument you're literally an invincible tank, the damage bonus is also nice but neglectable.
Her 1 could also be very useful in combination with her argumented 4, since you don't move around much then, but it's kinda useless when you dash around the map, as your new companion will just teleport around and do nothing, so that's an easy subsumed slot, lol
I run her with Banshee's Silence on her first and it's just pure space ninja fun to be had with her, no weird build up to nuke a room or whatever, you just go in guns blazing and pick your targets as you please with nothing to stop you.
I usually end up being the teams medic because they sooner or later run into enemies they couldn't outdamage... there is nothing to outdamage Nyx when it's not even shooting at her or when she's invincible when it does, lol
Nyx is underrated, and I gave my ideas on where she needs to be buffed in my comment.
She's honestly my favorite frame right now. With like 2-4 minor-ish tweaks to her kit, she'd be an A+ frame through almost any meta without a doubt. Shame DE wont touch her though.
Ash's 4 can oneshot pretty much every enemy targetable by finishers, even at lvl cap, so i guess the only way the balance it out without nerfing ash is with his kps, right now his main issue is that he feels slow conpared to other frames
Just tried out the jat kittag augment on ash yesterday, it's a really good nuking tool for the little man who doesn't want to farm arcanes etc
Ash 4 needs to be a tap/hold ability. If you tap it then it creates a circle that surrounds him and gradually gets bigger and any emeny inside gets the markings and it still drains energy per enemy. The hold would be the how it works now if you want to target a specific target
lmao of course every comment is an essay arguing about how a random warframe is insane with a specific build. (they are probably right)
Lategame Excal hits 50mil per slash. Fun, with a lategame build you get 360% str and with diriga you easily hits 100mil - 500mil.
drop the build 👀👀👀👀
@@dxwn5367 typical excal lategame build is enough with skill 1 changed with wraithfull advanced.
People always sleeping on Nezha. He's immune to all status/knockdown when his warding halo is up, while also giving invulnerability when casting and when it breaks. His safeguard augment allows him to use warding halo on defense targets or basically any allied entity with a health bar. So all defense targets now have a short period of invulnerability and 90% damage reduction.
If you use your 4 to impale enemies with the spears, then use your chakram, your chakram will split in two every time it hits an impaled enemy. It also makes it so everyone they hit is guaranteed to drop a health orb and a 35% chance of dropping an energy orb. It's an Equilibrium wet dream. You can stack Arcane Blessing super quickly if you use that. Just need to use your 4 and chakram on a couple groups and its fully stacked.
I prefer to subsume armor strip over his 1. Terrify works well with his 4 as they won't flee when they are speared but doesn't work on bosses.
A bunch of AOE cc, damage vulnerability + flame proc, and armor strip while being completely status immune and tanky as shit. As well as giving damage reduction, status immunity, and a few seconds of invulnerability to any ally/defense target with a health bar. You can genuinely solo whatever you desire. Also, I believe adaptation works with his halo, giving you 99% damage reduction, and wouldn't be surprised if allies with their adaptation and the safeguard halo could get the same.
As one of the 5 remaining frost mains left, from my experience, definitely a B tier, BUT he's somewhere between a B and a B+, arguably one of the most balanced frames out there since he has no nuke potential, but also has insane potential at the same time
I found a small use for his 1 which was freezing one beefy enemy to charge my incarnon, this immensely helps when playing on controller since I was a PC guy before cross-save
For his 2, I subsumed vial rush to give him a mobility ability, this is was prob one of my best decisions as the ability is cooldown and its "range" is its "duration" (Higher the range, longer the slide), by casting it and immediately jumping, you can end it early and cause a large explosion thats useful in clearing out rooms and areas full of containers, helps me separate them from voidplumes/other items on the map
His 3 I didn't really use much, but I found that the small invincibility period of the globe comes in handy during some situations where you need to tank one big attack, I play vazarin however so this doesn't really see much use for me
For his 4, augment of course, the overguard (Even just 1 point) helps with eliminating self knockdown and keeps me alive on steel path & above, 100% armor strip makes almost any weapon viable and the few seconds of frozen enemies allows me to have a little break and rack up headshots for an easy incarnon charge & galvanized/primary merciless/deadshot stacks
Build for range with the minimum required str for 100% armor strip (Archon shards immensely help) and I find myself reaching hours on a SP survival, his only weakness is that he relies on large amount of enemies otherwise he folds with no health/shield mods
Frost is amazing he a god nuke and his bubbles can be really good
ember can still Armor strip without (2) pretty well as 2 casts is 100% + giving knockdown. and with 3rd party factors she can obliterate any SP content. personally (2) is 100% subsumed its just not worth using in any way (IMO). but i think people under estimate ember even with 3rd party factors, if were talking about just ember as herself with no weapons or helminth or any 3rd party factors then, (2)'s DR is somewhat useful and you can always Armor strip with (3) and (4) is great, in fact IMO it scales way better in todays warframe than WOF would. WOF was a low lvl nuke, quick fast mission clear and if SP existed back then she would have not been able to keep up I believe the change to her kit was for the best and I use her for a lot of content. As an ember main I have so much in her kit with helminth that I can do more than a lot of frames. this is in no way an insult just I think she could be given more credit
Thank you for your personal tier list, very concise and to the point.
I don't really mind frames that have bad damage numbers as these days you can more or less mod every frame to be good in base steel path. For me, what's holding frames like Sevagoth and Valkyr back is their awful melee animations. Sevagoth radiates 'cool' both from a visual and lore perspective. Yet, when you activate his ghost form, his claw attacks feel like hitting the enemy with wet noodles. The same goes for Valkyr. The hysteria attack animations look and feel like punches and awkward half-kicks, instead of chaotic sweeping slashes. Not to mention, her first heavy attack is a leg slam???
I love both frames, though I will admit, the awkward attack animations take me out of the experience. The best example for claw attack animations, that I can think of right now, that would fit Valkyrs overall design is the melee attacks of the 'demonic shadowhunter' from Lost Ark. When I think of claw attacks, that's more or less what I would expect. I could be alone in this opinion, though it's more or less what bugs me. Like everyone else, I don't like using the sliding slash attack, yet it's the only one that doesn't feel awkward...
Wukong was done dirty here! His clone arguably doubles his damage, can be used to afk farm since he can kill groups without u doing anything and he can fucking prime, u can put an epitaph with viral on his clone and destroy everything with melee or have him distract and prime enemy groups with melee while you clear them with your primary.
His 2 is just amazing, great for speed running, great healing, stuns enemies and can reposition him where he's needed like easily carrying excavator power cells across the map, reviving teammates or going straight into a vault's console.
His 3 tanks him up pretty good and provides a good invulnerability window to avoid getting getting bursted like his 2. 4 is fun and a pretty thematic skill but personally I don't feel I need another melee as I'll already have a strong one equipped, this can be Helminthed or his 3.
All in all Wukong is as tanky as he is versatile, he can be used in all content without any issue, funny that he's placed in B tier here underneath the likes of Banshee who can barely survive steel path without a Helminth skill or deep knowledge of shield gating mechanics, ludicrous even...
Wait a tier list without Yareli slander just saying Merulina bad??? I was always confused when being told Yareli was bad and then going through basically 75% of this game being a tank and making my secondary weapons going from afuris at the start of having her to my newer things like my tenet cycron or epitaph completely obliterate everyone. Like yeah she still has bugs and a lot of them but I do love my unique playstyle and the amount I can contribute to any activity even as her. I can even go through most missions except grineer without hitting anything on merulina or falling off a map, just took a lot of practice.
Im glad to see someone put all the frames in a decent placement in their tierlist. Good work on this
I've been playing warframe off and on since quite literally the day of release, with a rough combination of 11-12k hours over various platforms and accounts. One of my absolute favorite games to ever come out. Still got my headband and t-shirt. Used to get pissed at my old man for wearing the shirt, but since his passing in May of this year, I've come to appreciate the hell out of that shirt. Supposed to be a collectors item but I now prefer it to be used specifically because who used it haha. Makes me appreciate the game more. Was the only game my old man would watch me play and think it was "neat" lol. With all that in mind, Inaros is the best Warframe in the game. Thank you for reading.
Jokes aside, love the video. Glad to see people still putting immense effort in making videos for this game. Been in the community for a lot of years and I miss watching a traditional teir list or gameplay without the obnoxious yelltuber getting overly hype to maintain our attention spans. Awesome content man, keep doing you.
Okay HEAR ME OUT... Do a Mod Tier List. Yes. All of them. Everyone already knows what's number one tho...
THE SUPREME [Anti-grav Array] 🙏🙏
I love Rhino. I have 3 Tau Blue shards for armor on him and 2 Tau Ambers for Parkour Velocity. He fits well and is never bad at any mission. The Amber shards help him keep up with the other faster frames very well too.
I played a lot with Chroma back in the day, after a while I switched to Baruuk... and then Gauss ran in and said: You know the love you have for those two other frames? Well, screw em. I'm gonna be your favorite frame from now on.
Your accurate and fair placement of Mag in this list earned you the like and subscribe. You’re the only WF content creator that acknowledges how good she is.
Fun list! Gotta hand it to DE fixing bad frames: Nezha, wukong, Grendel and now Hydroid have all gone from trash-tier memes to excellent and fun frames. Inaros will have his day, no doubt! :)
Even with warframes changing tier positions every warframe veteran knows that Excalibur,Volt and meg hold a special place in our hearts
Wukong with the cloud is just too convenient for any go there and do this mission. As you like to say not playing wukong in any rescue, spy or capture mission is just wasting time unless you go with titania with primed sure footed and a constant drain of energy while still possibly be slower by flying into walls and getting lost in corners.
I haven't played for a while and used to main Hydroid. I agree that he used to be lowest of the low, but hearing this now brings a tear to my eye. 🥺 Sounds like I'll be hopping back in soon.
Best WF RUclipsr. Thanks for all the hard work you put into your videos.
I play both Inaros and Lavos a lot! I agree with what u said about Inaros and most of what u said about Lavos. Hopefully, Sandy Boi will get some good lovin' in the future (a rework that makes Inaros better and without making him lose too much of his vibe). It pains me to say it but Inaros' passive is total ass.
Lookin forward to your next year's content Kyaii. Keep it up!
Lord Pablo lives in our walls
so... trinity. She is tanky, I know, there are other frames with such atributes but check this out. Augment that armor strips (only 3 enemies but its always 3 enemies), augment that gives up to 350% crit chance, energy to friendlies, resistance and health and shield replenishment to friendlies, very good to assist allied players who are unsure about their build. Basically she allows you to go to steel path, take no damage whatsoever, meanwhile lets say u have a friend who is discovering new frames and he asks u for help, trinity can do that while at the same time making everyone enjoy the game. Conclusion, trinity is a good support as she can give health, resistance to damage, energy and occasionally crit chance and a weak but still possible armor strip frame. I wouldn't put her in D tier but i think she's better in B. Thank u for reading this
Coming from the good old days era, hearing that frost's 3 is "borderline trolling" makes me really sad. Frost used to be meta must have in every mission that required you to be static. It just feels so wrong for my dude. Used to love it. Same goes for trinity.
I admit I've been using the tier list on overframe recently, not as an actual I'll play as them since they're S rank but just an easier way to find builds and such.
However I don't like following builds right down to the specifics since each frame ppl make like 5 different builds for and even use different polarities on each one. I just use them as a base to build off of, or just get an idea of what that frame needs more of. As someone who tends to play as all of them I don't want to follow one specific build. Although if I had to pick on frame to main it'll probably be Equinox Prime, she is probably one of if not my only all time favorite frame in the game. Love the balance between support and dps which I mean it's literally her character so it makes sense.
5:19 the fact you rate ash in B just shows you haven't looked into bladestorm, the true damage on that is downright busted.
And with arcane trickery, he's also permanently invisible, basically applying what you said about loki's invis to ash aswell.
he's also a decent weapons platform, using his passive + a slash weapon whenever you need some faster damage in between nuking everything in your line of sight.
The two things holding him back are barrier of entry: innodem and arcane trickery are a massive part of his damage
And the main reason i don't play him often: he is repetitive, not octavia/rev levels of easy, but still a bit boring
I explain why he is B tier though. Nothing but his 4th and maybe his 2 is that good and his 4th is slow. I credit Bladestorm being the entire reason he is still semi relevant
26:50 i dont know how much ti affects his rating, but the damage spreading of Qorvex's 4 is given to his pillars when he hits them with it, making the actual effect of 4's beam lasting longer than the initial cast
Kyaii's ranking: My ranking: Note: I gave unranked to the frames I do not own, and have not personally used or know enough about
Ash: B C
Atlas: B B
Banshee: A- B
Baruuk: A- A
Caliban: D F
Chroma: D D
Citrine: A+ Unranked
Dagath: A+ Unranked
Ember: C D
Equinox: A+ A+
Excalibur: B A-
Frost: B C
Gara: A+ A+
Garuda: S A+
Gauss: S S
Grendel: A- S
Gyre: A- Unranked
Harrow: B S
Hildryn: B- B-
Hydroid: S Unranked
Inaros: D- F
Ivara: B- B+
Khora: S S
Kullervo: S Unranked
Lavos: Unranked (possibly C) A+
Limbo: A- (or B+) A
Loki: B- B
Mag: S S
Mesa: S S
Mirage: A- A
Nekros: A- A
Nezha: A- S
Nidus: Unranked (possibly B) A
Nova: A+ A+
Nyx: C D
Oberon: C B
Octavia: S S
Protea: S S
Qorvex: B Unranked
Revenant: S S
Rhino: S S
Saryn: S S
Sevagoth: B+ C
Styanax: S S
Titania: A- S
Trinity: D F
Valkyr: C B
Vauban: Unranked (possibly B-) A
Volt: A+ A
Voruna: Unranked (possibly A) Unranked
Wisp: A+ S
Wukong: B B
Xaku: S S
Yareli: A- Unranked
Zephyr: S S (My Main)
So glad that people are recognizing zephyr for the monster she is.
Tier lists are always subjective, and I appreciate you saying that up front. Agree with a lot of points on the list. Some frames I just won't use, also because I haven't ever gotted into them. My case for the following frames:
Inaros is "easy". I agree with your rating that it's a trash frame, but he can absolutely be used for anything that doesn't have a defence objective. Just mod health and armor and then put arcane grace and guardian on him. Then bring a decent enough weapon and you can do any content. Ignore the existance of abilities. I recently started using him on the netracell missions. Whatever they throw at him, that 1% health regen my limited little arcane has is enough to make him near indestrucible. Add a Torid incarnon to the mix, and the mission is a fact, it just takes three times as long.
As for Ivara: She is the perfect solo kuva lich, parvos sister, other boss kill or spy mission frame. For spy missions: just go permastealth, mod perspicacity on her and use the augments that she doesn't trigger lasers. Wukong and Loki do it better, but Ivara is definitely easier.
haven’t played this game in years, don’t even know what’s happening anymore. And it’s so intimidating to get back into
While I do generally agree with your stance on Yareli, id personally rank her lower just for her lack of flexibility with the helminth system. Her 1 and 4 feel very similar to each other, and itd be sick if you could have other means of cc or damage boosting.
Oberon’s Reckoning should have a 100% chance to spawn health orbs and 50% energy orbs on kills, that would help with his squad sustain
I do believe that Kullervo is S Tier. I been out damaging Saryn with ease.
I was really into Warframe when Mesa was new, and it breaks my heart to hear Ember isn't the "walk forward to delete everything" god she used to be 😭Her and Trinity were BUSTED fun. RIP
You a real one for not putting Yareli in the lowest tier like everyone fucking else. Easily one of the most undervalued frames.
I agree with Loki's ranking but I disagree that all his abilities but his 2 are useless. His 4 with the augment disarms and gives everything in a very large radius a radiation proc. It doesn't kill everything sure but all of those enemies may as well be dead because they can't really kill you. Not saying it's the best ability in the game but it is useful.
but why use that if your invisible and enemies cant attack you? theres no reason to
@@kyaii It can help with keeping defense objectives alive and for the off moments when you're not invisible. Or to help teammates. It's just another layer of protection. It's also just lokis main way to deal with enemies other than weapons.
What you said about Wukong's kit hurt me deep af in my heart but great vid mate especially for the Citrine love(she became my main)
As someone who's used Gauss 84% over the past 400 hours I agree with the rating
I don't necessarily miss World on Fire, but absolutely miss Accelerant. I understand why DE kept Fireball for thematic purposes, but augmented Accelerant gave the same buff as Fireball **and** a casting speed bonus for herself and teammates!
hey people this will be my opinion of the video, spoilers REALY long comment.
--ash: men he is one of the easiest warframe to get to level cap, yes his 1 is slow whit hordes but that why he has his 4.
--atlas: brother you give his 1 to much credit to put atlas in B tier, is strong but, in my opinion he is a C tier, the rock men need some help.
--banshee: same as you brother, she is ok.
--baruk: men all his abilities reduce restraint, to the point if you manage well, you can be in his 4 permanently.
--caliban: literally the same , the sentient boy needs help.
--chroma: nearly the same brother but, vex armor is really good if you want some dmg and resistance in the same bottom and elemental ward for more protection, the thing is his 1 do 0 dmg but is the way to change his elements and his 4 is out of profit taker useless, in the end i would say hi is form me a low A.
and for the rework idea his passive, 1 and 4 need it the most, but men really chroma is not that bad to priorities him over other frames, inaros, yareli and titania are the ones that need it the most in my opinion of course.
--citrin: best support, i would say that harrow can give her a run for her money in that assumption.
--dagath: the same brother, she is a monster.
--ember: i play her in her glory days, octavia or revenant are like her in those days, for the rest the same brother.
--equinox: and same brother, one of my favorites too.
--excalibur: wush, wush, next frame.
--frost: ''this ones is tough'' in did brother, frost was and continues to be one of the best defensive frames but, a comparation with other defensive frames he is old, he still works perfectly but the other frames do more soo, he in not bad or underperforming but slow and clunky, he is the definition of ''to old for this sh#t'' his passive, 1 and 2 needs work his 3 is ok and 4 really strong.
--gara: ''underrated'' not at all brother the 3 of 5 times you go to a defense mission you will find a gara brother and more if is steal path, for the rest the same.
--garuda: same brother, she is strong as hell.
--gauss: same again brother
--grendel: i find grendel kind slow in what he does like frost, but in this case he buff every one with nourish so, strong, like sevagoth to in fact.
--gyre: in my opinion she dosent strictly need helminth , she is strong in base form, cc, dmg and crit, A+.
--harrow: the only reason that make harrow not de best support is that he need to be really active, lucky and with specific weapons for the mission he is playing, ignoring that, invulnerability , fire rate, life steal, faster reloads, and red crits, S+
--hildryn: she need help if not for pillage she would be wort than inaros.
--hydroid: yes i like his rework next frame.
--inaros: the frame that is in the need for a rework the most with out a question.
--ivara: the frame that is used for memes that other things, the game mod were she shines is the game mode were she is dropped so you obtain her for doing missions were she should shine but other frames do it better, low B for my brother.
--khora: i would be honest, i don't like that much khora, she is a trapper with a tone of dmg but, when the nerfs to the loot abilities come in tha last year, and then reverted, nekros is better in that so, she is strong i don't deny that but i like more nekros.
--kullervo: the easiest frame for a S tier, the men is a best.
--lavos: he is strong brother one of the most dmg in the game, IF you know what are you doing, if the enemy's are damageable with status procs, the are dead, like saryn but with all the status of the game.
--limbo: the frame ''if you know what are you doing, do it well, if not dont play him'' jajajaja.
--loki: alot of people doesn't know that this moth#r fu#ker has 2 types of invulnerabilities his invis and his 3, YES in base form he doesn't do much but his augments save him, you literally have the longest invul of the game in his 3 and is cheap, his 4 makes a whole room of enemys to be popys, his 2 ,if not for octavia, he would have the longest invis of the game, by duration, ok maybe ivara could give him a run for his money in that, but in resume loki is a frame that NEED his augments an he becomes op, the only thing that he would not have would be an armor strep , that pillge or tharros stike can make him op, and last if he is invis he has an augment in his dmg become the enemy are not seeing him. not an S tier because doesn't have buff in dmg for his team.
--mag: the other frame"if you know what are you doing, do it well, if not, dont play him'' jajajaja.
--mesa: piiuu,piiu,piu,pi, etc strong.
--mirage: the "would you like to see me doing cap dmg, would you like to see me again".
--nekros: one of the S tier frames, do everything he wants, Op.
--nezha: our discounted rhino, but faster and with a tone of fire dmg.
--nidus: the STACK frame, he normally see use in endless missions because of his passive, he technically is the easiest frame to endure in mission with only health/armor and DR, obviously not to max level but with good cc, health regen, invulnerability, he is the '' i was 1 hour in a mission and i dont know how i was doin it''
--nova: is one of my favorites frames, slow or fast if you need it, one of the digest DR in the game in hers 1, some dmg and some movement hit her rest of her kit, for my she is an S brother.
--nyx: in my pinion nyx suffers even more than frost of being old, what ever she does now newer frames do it better or faster, i thick my bote fore a rework after inaros will be for her or titania.
--oberon: yes the only thing he needs is a buff to his efficiency in his 3 because every thing in the team drains it, men one of the worst thing that can happened to an oberon is teaming whit a nekros that spam his 4, oberon literally will lose all his energy for that.
--octavia: the boring frame if you dont like the mandacord, and if you like it, you will be days making your perfect music and probably playing with the shawzin in missions too, in my opinion one off the best buff that DE can give her is making her mandacord infinite so people can make music with more detail and not only 10 to 15 secs.
--protea: yes same brother, next frame
--qorvex: brother his pillars are a direct increse of his 4, is the opposite to wisp insted off using her 1 to buff her 4, he use his 4 to buff his 1, and the rest yes, but i thing that the reason way DE give him the highest base armor in the game.
--revenant: the inmortal , next frame.
--rhino: the inmortal with a tone of DMG, next frame.
--saryn: the mop cleaner of the endless missions NEXT frame.
--sevagoth: yes, the reason why people dont play him as much is because he is hard to get and when you finally obtain him, you have to choose, play him or helminth him, and gloom is strong in the 90% of the game simply for the life steal and then farm him again and people dont like play rail jack as much.
--styanax: the reactor of energy, i think only harrow can give him competition in energy regen.
--titania: the archwings frame, i like titania but she only have her 4 the rest of her abilities do next to nothing and her 2 dose not even work properly.
--trinity: she NEED buffs or be return to her previous forms because a this point she does nothing to support, her buffs are simply small.
--valkyer: when garuda come out, was the competition for the cat but when seva come out he is a better version of her , another frame that needs a buff.
--vauban: the CC frame, the hard part of him is not his build, is that for playing him you need to know a tone of machanic of the game, a normal vauban only use bastilla and cc the map, a pro vauban do top dmg in his team for finisher dmg.
--volt: a the eidolon hunter frame and speed runner.
--voruna: a the status kullervo, next frame.
--wisp: 0-o, the best support for low levels, but still a good one though.
--wuong: the inmprtal hacker, next frame, and he was so popular becase his clone having infinite ammo and a tone of dmg.
--xacu: in this case brother i dont have a opinion becase i dont have it.
--yareli: the k drive titania, yes, may be she only needs an armor stripe o be strong but marelina is horrible.
--zephyr: the old good bird woman, good cc, good dmg, good survivability , and movement to , yes an A+.
hey brother sorry that this took me 3 days to doing it but i think i was in the need to put my opinion, by the way thank you to took the time to read it.
Idk why I read this but I like it
You also said brother so much :) but cool
While I'm not a fan of the "It's just my opinion" shield, with you it seems more of a way to keep differences in opinions civil (as you also encourage someone making their case in the comments), rather than the blanket "Now I can't be criticised" assumption it often boils down to.
One of the best warframe content creators of all time. Loved the tier list, agree with almost everything haha.
The ranking was pretty cool. As for everyone, I have divergences of opinions.
Happy to see Citrine rightfully compared to Wisp when it comes to being a support Warframe. Citrine deserves the S tier for me. Give her Roar subsumed over her 4. Bonus point if you give Roar augment for even more damage reductions from puncture procs (good luck to your ally to die through her 2 and puncturing roar + health orbs) + another element for priming + the new crit chance buff from punctures.
In a lot of rating, I see Wukong not being done justice and for this ranking I can't not talk about it because of your stance on Rhino. You value Rhino's 4 right? Excellent CC that works on Eximii! Well Wukong 1 augment is a mini Rhino 4. It also works on Eximii! Yes it only lasts 6sec unmoddable, yes it is cast around the clone, but its cast time is done by the clone, not you, and it only costs 25. In a world where Energy Nexus and Power Efficiency exist, that is crazy. It is so spammable. He has panic buttons, he can build shields (or even hybrid with the buffed Primed Vigor with the Defy armor bonus) so the shield meta isn't leaving him behind. I just think his 4 is really disappointing (and the 3 if you don't go hybrid) but to be honest just the 2 and the 1 WITH THE AUGMENT are so amazing he deserves a really high rank imo.
As a non endurance player myself but a player that solos every content, I think one of the hardest and sometimes most unfair kind of missions that any player will face are the Defense missions in Duviri's experience, after you beat the worm, with the Eximus Stronghold. The missions you do to farm Duviri's Arcanes. If you happen to land on a Defense, in these high level Eximii Stronghold, without a good Defense Warframe that can either CC Eximii / Protect the objective / Nuke it all (this one is for you Kullervo), you may hit a wall. As such, I don't agree with some high rankings. For instance, while I absolutely love Gauss and playing him and I think he is absolutely excellent, would he be able to face this kind of mission? I'm not sure. I am aware not every Warframe should be expected to be a top tier Defense Warframe so that may be unfair, but that is a mission that is kind of a 'limit' to me as when you jump into Steel Path Duviri going for this farm you can't know if you will face this mission and you can't freely pick your Warframes/weapons and you have no companion, you have decrets that won't always carry this Defense.
Hildryn really deserves a higher rating. Assuming you are not fighting armorless infested, you can obliderate enemies well into the thousands of levels with blazing pillage and just using blazing pillage makes you borderline unkillable.
Also lavos belongs in the "S rank for very specific farms" category since lavos is by far the best frame for railjack since your railjack abilities don't use energy and you can map nuke fairly easily with lavos's 4 ability. You also have some very interesting interactions with the archon mods
Pillage is a helminth ability, unnerfed too.
I would say Trinity's mark for death + ev + viral nuke can pull her out of D tier into high C or low B.
But she does need a lot of love. I think her kit (minus her awful 1) is good, just needs tweaking. Like a channeled Link.