@@ajfenton2519 if I remember correctly it's implicitly stated throughout the umbra quest and by Ordis in one of his several lines of dialogue he randomly says when in your orbiter.
Space Dad has to stretch his legs once in a while, y'know! It's not every day his adopted child takes him to battle, what with all the newfangled "NukeFrames".
Unique weaponry. Unique transportation method. Lives in an actual cave. Has an old advising man in the chair back at home base. Driven by the trauma of the past. And continues to fight knowing that he can never kill his targets. Hmmmmmmm
I just imagine the stalker popping into our orbiter again, this time MAYBE WITHOUT A SCYTHE, asking questions about how kids work (since the tenno are kids afterall!), getting his answers, and then promtly leaving again....god I love stalker as our ally
We really need to fish Grandpa Hunhow out of the depths, some sunlight might be good for him It'd be seriously cool to team up with him in a Railjack mission or something
The way Hunhow says "I remain the great and terrible Hunhow" shows that he wants to redeem himself especially after how much trouble we went through to rescue his daughter. Hunhow is gonna be pretty lonely now that Sorren and Jade are no longer there. Maybe we'll get a chance to work with Hunhow to convince Sorren that we're his ally.
It's not so much convince as much as it is Sorren needs to come to terms with the fact the Tenno are just as much a victim as he is. That despite everything we are indeed willing to bury the hatchet. I think our boy is gonna come back with his son and they're BOTH gonna be our allies, along with Hunhow.
@@DioStandProud Thematically it ties in nicely too as Hunhow laments the family they cannot have and have also lost, they also sounded (to me at least) a little sad that Stalker had left, they have, as they put it, grown sentimental in their rot. It's a weird found family situation in finding common ground to coexist and maybe even thrive if they can just put old grievances to bed.
I chose the name Sirius. The option was green and logically, it'd seem like Stalker would want to honor his wife's memory and name his son something to she'd want.
I’ve always like the name Sirius (the Dog Star) I actually read the other name as Orion (stupid dyslexia always getting stuff wrong for me) which is a mime I also love but I’m glad I didn’t pick it as ied misread it. Also when we finally meet the baby again we can make the the joke are you serious?
@@permeus2nd Good News: You didn’t misread it actually is Orion. I find it neat that both are based off of stars with Orion being a reference to Orion the constellation
My "dad instincts" kicked in so damn hard when Stalker took his baby frame in his arms. I was like, "I will jump in front of a bullet myself for this metal baby machine thing! NO HARM SHALL COME TO THIS CHILD!!!"
My mom instincts kicked out during that sequence. My pregnancy was fine, but my mom almost died having me, so it was something I was really scared off and justified the trigger warning at the start of the quest.
I so appreciate the subtle humanity written into the Corpus we’re getting to know in the narrative-Fortuna and Solaris United, Veso ignoring Alad V’s orders to aid the Origin System, now Captain Xeto putting aside her aspiration to join the Sisters to keep a baby safe.
I believe hunhow is simple. He's lost so much and almost lost natah (lotus) for good. He might not like it but the tenno are his grandkids. Alliance might be as far as the relationship goes but its all he has left with new war taking also his son Erra.
I couldn't agree more. Interesting that while the Lotus was given children through the tenno, it would seem Hunhow has been given the same gift and is only beginning to understand.
Here's what I believe happened based on your observations 1. Jade herself worked on and/or created the Jade Light as a method of healing and termination, and probably worked with the Orokin Judges in some way, thus being somewhat High Society. 2. Sorren was a soldier, a Low Guardian. He and Jade met, and fell in love. They had to keep it secret due to how brutal Orokin society was. 3. Jade became pregnant with Sirius/Orion, and they hid it as best they could. When she started showing, she told the Orokin that the father was some other law officer or scientist across the Empire. 4. But, Ballas or some other Orokin found out that Jade and Sorren were meeting in secret, and put two and two together. (Around 8 months into Jade's pregnancy, I'd say). 5. Ballas found out and was PISSED. But he couldn't waste the talents Jade and Sorren had offered to the Empire, oh no. 6. The couple was arrested, put on trial, and sentenced to the Helminth. However, both were exposed to low levels of the Jade Light as well, one final torture before the transformation. 7. Stalker/Sorren survived, changed in the red Excal we know him as. Jade also survived, but her pregnancy was severely slowed, the baby having to protect itself and his mother by slowing its own development once turned into a Frame.
That would be amazing. I love using him just so I can Tenno the missions! Fun Fact, if you put something like Lenz or Kuva Bramma on him, you're tenno will have very little to do in the mission, lol
I'm really hoping we experience a time lapse when returning from 1999 and Sirius/Orion is grown up, leading his Father and the Acolytes. So much potential can be made from this I can't wait to see the outcome. Also if there is a time lapse, I kno its unlikely but there is a lot of hinting that Granum could revert Ordis back into the Beast of Bones. Couldn't see anyone better holding off the enemy forces while the Operator is gone during a said time lapse in their place than a resurrected Ordan Karris.
Here's the thing, we don't know how long it will take for a warframe baby to grow. Maybe 18 years... but probably more like 2-10 and would allow DE to bring it in whenever they want. And... while I'm not sure we'll get Ordan Karris back, I'm betting more and more that Ordis will have some kind of combat capability... maybe even a warframe, in the same way shown in silver grove...
They are certainly building up Parvos for the future, now having him appear in two themed missions in a row and even giving some interesting dialogue with Balas in the Protea Prime trailer. The Worm Queen better step her own game up before the Grineer fall behind.
He's also the fourth character to have confirmed interactions with the Man in the Wall (Tenno, Albrecht, Lotus and then Parvos in confirmation order), and he has actively spoken Voidtoungue too.
I remember choosing Sirius because after a quick mythological dive, Sirius was the brightest star in the night's sky, I chose that name since it is implied Jade wanted that name , but also because you could see the child as Stalker's brightest light. In a world of darkness, where he spent untold centuries or even millennia hunting and assassinating Warframes, he now has a new purpose, to protect both his and Jade's light. My head-canon is Jade and Sorren were in a class defying relationship as you suggested, given how strict the Orokin were with class hierarchies and staying within your assigned caste, they obviously had to keep this a well kept secret, but somehow Ballas found out, either because Sorren was a guardian in his vicinity for a long duration of time, or he just found out through whatever ways he had back then, but instead of just punishing both Sorren and Jade for this violation of Orokin societal norms, he instead chose to blackmail Sorren, assigning Sorren to be one of Ballas' personal guards in exchange for Jade's continued safety, so long as he didn't interact with her again. Ultimately it didn't last in one form or another as Jade eventually did become a Warframe, likely becoming the lead executioner of the Orokin, although it seems like Sorren didn't know this even up to the time of Jade Shadows, but Ballas wasn't done being a manipulative scumbag, when the Tenno eventually rebelled and decapitated the Orokin Empire, leading to it's swift fall into chaos, Ballas influenced Sorren into believing that Jade was still alive, but she was butchered, child included by Tenno beasts. this would foster his unyielding hatred for the Tenno that would continue to burn up until present day, I now personally believe that before Ballas went into hiding, he gave Sorren to objective to destroy the Tenno, but in order to have a somewhat even playing field, Ballas offered the Helminth Strain to Sorren, to become a Warframe in order to complete that objective, using that one memory of the love he lost and the child he never got to see, he became a fully sentient Warframe, much like Umbra. Loved the video DsIEGE! You definitely helped clean some stuff up regarding the quest in a way that makes sense, hearing your take on the Belly of the Beast event in your next video is gonna be fun as well
I chose Orion because its a set of three stars. Sorren, Jade, Orion. Because even though Jade passed, she will live vicariously through us, protecting the system unlike her husband who subjugated it's protectors. Basically acting as the guiding star (Sirius) whilst Sorren raises their child. Makes it much more wholesome in thst way imo.
This quest was definitely one of my favorites, and i hope they bring orion and stalker back for a future quest. Also I totally thought stalker was gonna put his kid into a transference pod.
I named the child Sirius because it was marked with Jade's color, so I thought Sorren would want to honor Jade and not his hatred through the name Orion.
Ballas knew, and it was definitely a punishment. There is a lore tablet added to conclave's area of the relays that confirms this, right next to where Teshin usually is. The whole thing is written from Jade's perspective, and it is... Heartbreaking, to imagine someone I know going through that, let alone while the person in question is pregnant. Apparently, Ballas even lied to Sorren promising to reunite then if he serves well enough, and taunted Jade by telling her about said lie. He also gave another taunt that hints at just how long it took for Sirius/Orion to finally be born.
Agreed @@The-No-oneeven after that bastard had the life drained out of him, we're still finding more and more reasons to despise the damned executor. Yonta and hell, even the Entrati family (except for maybe Albrecht depending on the results of his "atonement", Tagger for example suffered a significant amount the very moment he gained sentience, even moreso than the other Cavia) are probably the best among Orokin society, and even they have their messed up moments backstory wise.
@@lordnul1708 I honestly wouldn't care if they did a stupid thing to bring Ballas back, I just need a Ballas boss fight that we can redo anytime we want to and we actually fight him, like an assassination mission
21:51 Yes, I think this is the case. There are meta reasons why Jade must be the original source of the Jade light. Basically this: An author shouldn't write about Pegasus, hype up a flying horse, yet not have it be the Pegasus they kept writing about. Jade the Person/Warframe, Jade the color, Jade Light ... it pretty much must be an absolute connection. The Warframe writers are basically screaming wolf at us, while our faces are right up against the nose of the wolf. But there is also an in-game connection that seems to fit: Glory on High's alt fire fits how executions by Jade Light are described by eye witnesses. "Use alternate-fire to detonate Judgments, causing an explosion of Jade Light" Compare with: "the Archimedian erupting into a flash, jade-like and blinding. I knew her. She was the greatest scholar of genetics who ever lived. Except now she was nothing but mist and gore..." "Mist and gore" implies force and "into a flash" implies abruptness and intensity. If this doesn't fit, I don't know what does. There is also some character called Myrmidon. Made use of the Jade Light through a device strapped to their wrist. Killed Warframes with it. An Ophanim Eye could fit. Would also explain how Jade Light can be present without necessitating Jades presence, at least if we assume the Ophanim Eyes can be manipulated in this manner, though this seems almost like a trivial engineering task for Ballas. But this one is super speculative. I could've been too deep in Uranus too often, and now I'm seeing Jade Light everywhere.
Stalker wil step in while we are in 1999. He now has a reason to act. To protect his child. I wanna know what hte acolytes are. Were they stalker's old unit? Derranged fans? Clearly they are like him. I suspect honestly they're his old unit. I wish we'd gotten t osee them. Then again thta is somethign I want because it gives them new purpose. Something to live for beyond revenge and old wounds.
I was hoping they would have been included to some degree but... It's possible their association with him might mean they are low guardians as well, with similar purpose. As far as stalker is concerned... I've been hoping for this moment for years. A reason to ally...
@@TheDsIEGEPretty sure it was confirmed long ago that his Acolytes are the other Low Guardians who were present with him the day the Tenno used their metal/award adorned (Prime) warframes to strike down the Orokin. Having seen Sorren launch into the fight to try to fight off the “traitors” they saw him as their defacto leader.
“ I will remain as the great, and terrible Hunhow” At least he still understands what it means to be a father but it sad he still awaits a purpose he cannot abandon but what purpose ? Mother sentient? Or something else? As for the shadow and his kin what future will they decide Note: Its still amazing an actual warframe giving birth. What can of sick golden lord thinking!
Over time... I've really come to care about Hunhow. I remember when he was like the BIG BAD but like now... he's the tenno's grandfather, as another commenter said. I never really thought of it in those terms, but I wonder if he too maybe considering the same thing.
11:12 I found it a bit curious, of how Stalker could easily teleport into our orbiter. Which means that he could have probably been able to kill US, whenever he wanted. 😅
my father used to be a navy seal, and hes always say something along the lines of.. theres no greater enemy than the voice in your head. appeal to that voice an your enemy will crack. maybe its all a head game with stalker i mean, his name says it all
I would love and hope so much for Captain Xeto to join us in the camp, and even be helping Kahl. We would then have both grineer and corpus figures as allies. Thinking about it, imagine if the Acolytes also became allies. They and the Stalker can protect the entire system if we as players either get stuck in 1999, or head off to Tau.
They did say that they wanted to bring the Velco gameplay back. (Although as a different Corpus since Viko is canonically dead). Seems like a good oppertunity to tie this to Xeto
She's gonna have to do something after betraying the being she just moments before worshipped as a god. Most contrived ending to a quest in a long time when they ripped off the ending of Children of Men just for some sisterhoodpowapoints lol Ain't no way a baby crying stops a zealot from adhering to their god's command, are we just ignoring what Sisters do to become Sisters, Xeto wanted to be a full Sister, she was committed to that. If she has a reason, I'll be very interested to hear it.
@@agingerbeard I mean... zealots turn all the time. A lot of us like to think we'd do anything it takes to reach our goals, and probably even 99.99% of Sisters fall in line with your proposed prejudice. But it's hard to guarantee EVERY SINGLE one of them do not have a line they will not cross. Xeto might be just the .01% Would you say all terrorists without fail would aim and fire at a child? No? There you go. In this sense, I kinda doubt it's contrived as there themes combating indifference does fit narratively with this.
"Consider that, this baby most likely has the capacity to also grow" Picturing how funny it would be that Sirius/Orion is in fact the first baby Warframe, does NOT grow up and this little fella is just slaughtering hundreds across the system, Paving way for DE's end goal: Baby Looney Toons Warframe style spinoff
Your narrative quality is leaps and bounds above other content (stuff in a similar vein AND otherwise), and deserves ... I dunno. Some kind of SERIOUS recognition. Truly. Keep at it, man.
I firmly believe that the Jade we got, since, she's a copy, is not AS powerful as original Jade her self. considering how she's a source of the Orokins most painful punishment. Hence why peepaw Hunhow says she "still haunts" Uranus, and why we have to pull her essence out of Uranus, as painful as it sounds. Because if Parvos got his hands on enough data to recreate a mobile fleet of Jade light eximus with the same amount of power as the real Jade light, we'd be screwed.. or at least have a much harder time dealing with them. Also, I'd like to believe that each warframe we have, despite being a copy, retain SOME of the original's personality, hence why each one has their own unique idle animation, and why when Hunhow gave us Jade, it was in the last state she was in.
My question is if the Tenno still need a human to build our Warframe around? Because if we do that's...concerning. Were we able to figure out how to mold the bio-steel and shape an artificial nervous system? Or do we still need a base of meat and bone to start the process of making a copy of a Warframe?
@@ChristopherSadlowski I believe it to be think of a 3D printer. And your hemith segment. We didn’t need a human to build it. But also we do have the warframe cryo pods we protect and they say they are fallen allies so they could be what we protect is a basis of our warframe preserved. And the 3D modeling is just added essence of what the warframe was. Like jade we add jade essence.
@@ChristopherSadlowski well no, we're just using other materials to build them now rather than having to get a human body. Probably using mostly infested flesh from the helminth to make new ones.
I remember some discussion of peoples that speculate that jade could have been an archimedian that discovered/invented the jade light. It could explain why ballad choose this specific warframe to have jadelight based ability. We know he love cruel irony in his designs of warframe.
I'm glad you talked about them mentioning the "Jade Light" in passing dialogue. I wish they would've expanded on that. I was coming up with a theory that she was their executioner or something of that nature. Also, not only enternalism. But we are about to mess with time travel. Ballas is still alive in the past...
I've been calling Hunhow a potentially ally ever since the New War, and it felt so good to be vindicated with this story. The reasoning I gave people is pretty much what we end up seeing here: New War showed how tired he was, how hurt losing his daughter made him feel, how it made him re-think his priorities, and how the Tenno are just as much victims of the Orokin as he is
Here's my theory, and some food for thought. I believe that Jade is the source of the Jade Light, but as an orokin, not a warframe. Timeline-wise it wouldn't make the sense that the warframe's the source, knowing that Margulis died by the Jade Light. The warframes are described as feral in the pre-Zariman days and they had to be locked up. Had they been able to be controlled, let alone harvested for death ray particles the warframes would have had a lot of use even in the days before the transference. I highly doubt that in what I believe is a couple years at most that Margulis was able to teach and control the Tenno and then for the Orokin to be able to reverse engineer the death ray and to subsequently implement it as a special kind of execution. I agree that their love was forbidden, but not because of Sorren's duties but Jade's, as here she'd have been an important researcher, possibly an Archimedian. There are two things we all need to think about. One is small scale, yet I feel we have forgotten since it happened at the very beginning of the quest. Why does Hunhow question Jade's motives for saving Sorren during the Tenno uprising? He puts it like she would have had more reason to save someone of the Orokin instead of him and that just doesn't make sense considering what we know of their relationship. My current hypothesis is that he somehow tried pleading with the Orokin instead of keeping their relationship secret, thus leading to her being turned into a frame as a punishment, and him maybe even as a reward. This whole thing is build on the fact that as the Stalker he does everything he can to uphold Orokin morals and values, even though they fucked him over more than most. The second thing to think on, and this is a biggie. Sorren was already a frame during the Tenno slaughter, and so was Jade. This means that now canonically there were Tenno-less warframes being placed on low positions, which to me means there were many of them. I don't believe that during any point in time he was being used by an Operator, if he was piloted during the slaughter he would have been part of it, and he would have had no way to kill his Operator as he didn't know where the Reservoirs were. It would also explain his confusion during the Second Dream, as he'd have to question whether his life as Sorren was real or was he a dreaming child. This opens up a whole can of worms when you think about it. The Primes are the original soldiers turned warframes, and the regular frames were duplicates, but how many of them were there. Because even though the Zariman was a big ship meant for colonizing, there couldn't have been that many children there, and we already have 50 frames to account for. How many ordinary frames were there, were they piloted by anyone, if so whom. And the final thing that comes to me as I write: when we rebuild Umbra, we turn ordinary materials into a copy of a frame which then has the personality and memories of the original frames. Would these mass produced frames have copied personalities? Does this allow for another kind of immortality, one where a core personality can be reborn again and again for three and a half days in a foundry? I'll leave that up to you
My personal headcanon is that Sirius and Orion are names that Jade and Soren (resoectively) would have picked for their unborn child before it all haplened, and personally I went with Sirius because I like the idea that Stalker is that committed to keeping a part of Jade alive in their son.
I imagine the operator or drifter rolling their eyes every time the stalker shows up and drops a dread bp while bwing shot at by corpus or grineer with 20k overguard
I haven't seen anyone mention it, so I will. The voice acting for hunhow and the stalker was super sick and helped me be more immersed in the video. Great work!
Im just glad it confirms what Jade Light is. Or at the very least how its power is channeled. The baby WAS the jade light within her. Ever since Ballas mentioned Margulis’ execution by jade light I wondered if it was literal, slang, or some kind of metaphorical thing.
I might of not been paying attention, but when he referenced the jade light, I wonder if he was actually talking about the Warframe herself, maybe they only used her for her light and at the time the baby didn’t drain her badly like it did towards the end
Three relatively important things to note from this quest. FIRST: Stalker can speak. It has been a specifically noticed thing that the Warframes were designed to only to be able to howl or growl or roar, and Stalker can form actual words and sentences though it appears to tax him to do so. SECOND: Jade is an Original Frame. To give birth as she does, she has to have been. I know DE's official stance is "there were as many operator's/Warframes as there are people IRL" but I think for it to make sense, Original Frame+Operators need to exist. THIRD: this is yet another example of a Frame working g on its own without an operator. One other side tangent, Parvos Granum had a Warframe made FOR HIM TO HIS SPECIFICATIONS. Said Warframe then operated on its own to protect and serve Granum,no signs indicating an Operator. Jade was suppose to defend the Orokin Higher ups, and apparently abandoned her duty to protect her Lover, Soren. I'm starting to think that while the original Warframes might have been driven mad by the process, that most of that is actually a lie, a propaganda piece, and that Warframes don't inherently go crazy, and instead may have rebelled akin to the sentients.
Jade Shadows was such a good quest. It managed to coherently squeez so much info into so little space. I love where were going with stalker but im more facinated by hunhows development on the side. Hunhow of all entities in the Origin System, could make for a great ally vs the corpus when they inevetly start hunting down stalker.
I like how for a while now a lot of quests has us making peace or being neutral towards older enemies of us, or getting more allies. We have Kahl and his Camp, we have the Lotus, the Drifter, the Entrati family/Loid/The Cavia, Vox Solaris United, now Hunhow and Stalker, the Holdfasts, soon the Hex. I believe we are building up a lot of allyships for something big to come where we might potentially need ALL their help
I named the boy Sirius cause based on what I've observed of him during this short quest, i had a feeling that the Stalker/Sorren would've done that as well. Plus i secretly want the Stalker to end up becoming an ally/rival to us rather than an enemy. Him marking us could then just be a sparring match when he shows up, instead of him genuinely trying to kill us.
I agree with a lot that has been said. I really hope we get his former allies into this and learn the mystery’s possibly behind them. I don’t see ballas coming back. But possibly another warframe can help. Understanding of umbra and the umbra link he has. Would the stalker have a stalker link? Would we be able to upgrade our warframe like an incarnation weapon to look like stalker eventually? I do wish to see the child grow up. Could this gray strand be harnessed? What other properties does it have and could it be a possible answer? Fight with bigger warframe I find it hard to believe we would use an army of huge warframe a but possible fight fire with fire. New entity’s show up at every corner. Will warframe 1999 show a weakness to the man in the wall or will we fulfill our deal with him to fight something bigger? I feel we are moving towards amending a relationship with stalker to possibly form a new stalker faction or a new area like the iron wake. I agree with alot that’s said. Great video love the work put into it.
This was such a short but powerful quest that has a lot of potential paths it can go down and explore. I personally named the child Sirius as I like to look at this as a chance for the Stalker to let go of his pain and to finally understand that we were never his enemy to begin with.
Id like to mention this. Ordis' first thoughts when something unknown is in the ship. Operator. (Cares deeply for them) Umbra. (Only living warframe abored) Helminth. ( to qoute ordisn "literally, the bowles of the ship") 11:34 Edit for other things i noticed. He calls the operator in a worried tone. Umbra in a confused tone, and helminth in a desperate/displeased/annoyed tone. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Edit 2: What id like to see is the stalker, unable to go anywhere else to find safty, comes to us to protect his child and we'd get an option (or its chosen for us) to let the stalker join us abored our orbiter.
@18:26 - "Which name did you choose, and why?" Sorren (what's left of him): Son of my beloved...last reminder of our bond...bearer of her life...Sirius...
I chose to name the kid Sirius, because the stalker was willing to break his personal oath to never help, or receive help from the tenno. but he chose to, to save try and save Jade. not only that, he worked with the Tenno as allies in stopping the corpus from obtaining Jade eximus units, so most definitely he would not want to inflict this child in which has given him new purpose, the trauma of his endless life and experiences he's faced. I feel like he'd do almost anything to not let his child know who or what he used to do, and would want to do what he thinks jade would've wanted. I feel like it'll be a situation where he's trying to find himself again and at the same time fight the internal war to not drag the child into his personal turmoil. I think the stalker was driven to a state of insanity due to his rage and clouded judgment. He's hated so long he's almost forgotten anything else. I think seeing the child reconfigured the hidden and locked away pieces of his mind and forced out other feelings and thoughts that he had forgotten even existed.
Jade light appears to be a force of truely "recycling" an Oro in terms of eternalism - unlike any other options of apparent death, rebirth, exile, change, corruption, it truely transforms one life into new life, free from the baggage of the past or the possibility of change.
I don’t know if it’s been talked about or mentioned but the Warframe Hunhow saved was more than likely Yareli and thats how she got her deluxe appearance. 8:06
Was watching your "Is this Zariman Ten Zero a part or consequence of The Deal?" video in the bg and at 15:05 Yonta says "I awarded myself the Jade Light." idk maybe the orokin were able to utilize the Jade light beyond the Warframes capabilities? just a thought
The quest was great but I really wanted there to be more to what the nature of the stalker is. He seems to have abilities more vast than warframes, and no operator. If he’s a warframe he has way more control than umbra. Jade, WF babies and plenty of things in this quest were mind blowing but stalker = WF was a let down….. unless there’s more
@@Tacgonmaner You could say anything is the tenno because of the paradox, but that paradox is crafted by the man in the wall on par with the agreement the tenno had. I doubt the man in the wall has any care for this baby and I believe it's a fully living organic warframe, without the host of a tenno.
Hey maybe I don’t remember the lore correctly, but doesn’t the jade light precede the warframes since Margulis was killed before the sentients arrived in the origin system? Could jade have been an attempt to utilize the brutal effectiveness of the light against the sentients but then realized that it could heal as well as harm 21:43
Oh damn the part "The reason" has give me goosebumbs again and some tears the quest is so touching and sad I loved it so much. I relate to loss sadly so much means every Quest about it hits double but I somehow love good and sad storytelling emotions are important ngl.
Sirius was the name I choose. Being the brightest object in the night sky, Sirius is composed of two objects: a main sequence star, Sirius A (Stalker), and a white dwarf, Sirius B (the child). White dwarfs are collapsars - stellar remnants, products of a star's death. They are what is left once death takes place on these astronomical objects, and that's an amazing parallel to Jade and her child. Even more, white dwarfs are white because they carry the energy and momentum of the former star, like a breath of new life. Such an amazing name.
Imagine a year or two from now, in a future update, our Tenno is in a dire situation, and gets saved by a misterious Warframe. But its not like the others, because it SPEAKS with his own voice, saying "I've been looking for you, Tenno. My name... is Sirius"
Interesting how Albrecht call the man in the wall “the adversary.” Satan in ancient greek translates to adversary so that might be a reason that Ballas and the helminth calls the operator a devil. Odd thing to notice, but I feel like it adds a deeper layer to The Man in the Wall.
The name I chose for the newborn was Sirius. It felt like...something Jade would've wanted and I feel like the Stalker would understand that's what his former lover would name their son. Honestly, this storyline was gut-wrenching and yet, it felt...wholesome. It brought with it many new questions for the Warframes as well as their sentience in the lore. I cannot wait to see how this is expanded upon.
The Stalker and the Operator have a longer history together, he was there on Lua. The Drifter already had a brief alliance with Stalker. Not using the Operator would have been a missed opportunity...
I know we’re now making the Man in the Wall the new threat, but given Sol’s new amount of Sentients and a power vacuum from the Veilbreaker quest, a side quest involving Hunhow trying to take over again would be nice.
The allegiance between tenno and Hun How is one that was built at a necessity. Who knows how long that's going to last. The stalker getting aid from us regardless of what he's done in the past to us is probably going to turn him into a strong ally later. I would not be surprised if there's a story mission at some point where we have to play Uncle just for that sense of allegiance between the stalker and the tenno. And I don't think that paying that the stalker feels is going to die anytime soon, but I think his child is going to help a lot with that.
Something seemed off about Lua. When Stalker arrived there he was looking up at Earth, but after going to the other end of the tileset he seems to be standing before something completely different?
"How are the Tenno going to stop the Man in the Wall if it comes to a physical confrontation" Slaps my Kuva Zarr: this bad boy can fit so many forma in it
I just can't call the dynamic between Albrecht and Loid "love". It's monstrous and abusive. I would have thought the master/slave dynamic would be shamed from the rooftops, but for some reason horrific relationship dynamics are touted as laudable in gay relationships in modern media, and I'm sick to death of it. I don't know what stopped Wally, but it wasn't love.
I just wanted to reply to the last sentience you wrote about "what stopped Wally, it couldn't have been love", paraphrasing. No, we did not stop it with love. We stopped it with a show of compassion. That is how you stop the indifference - care, compassion, defiance, show of hope despite overwhelming odds.
@@RebieRebs to put any positive spin on the dynamic between Albrecht and Loid shows how sick the WF fanbase is. It was abuse, which Loid is still trapped by, and it's horrific. The only victory will be when Tagfer and I stand on the bodies of every last Orokin and forge a new bargain with The Sown Seed Of The Orokin Come To Full Bloom: Wally. Pride will fall, in fire and justice, and Tagfer and I will laugh bitterly. See you then!
@@agingerbeard I think you misunderstood - maybe I should have been clearer. I did not mean a show of compassion etc between Albrecht and Loid. I meant, an overall show of a force that will be willing to stand up against the indifference of... well, the cosmic horror that is TMITW. No need to bash on the entire fanbase because of some one random comment by someone who wanted to point one thing out and drive a conversation. But, you know. You do you.
A line that’s stuck in my head is the bit about the stalker if gone from his lairs but she still haunts this place, what did Hunhow mean by “”she haunts this place”” ??? We know so little about the Warframes and this incident goes far beyond even that limited knowledge, what actually happened to Jade we saw her disintegrate but did she die? the only other time we know of a Warframe actually dying is at the hands of the stalker (also when he kills the frame and takes its head dose that kill the operator? As that’s pretty dark) though I kinda guessed that the bosses we beat for Warframe schematics have probably killed that frame that’s how we are able to get the info to build that particular frame, but what happens to a Warframe that dies? Dose it become a ghost?
it might be that she was scanned at some point to try diagnosing her, but beyond that, it's an attempt to weave her into the narrative even tho she probably wasn't thought of until this past year. like the idea is she'd been in the lair wasting away for a long time by now and it affected the stalker's mental state. and yes she died giving her essence to the baby à la steven universe. what we have of her now is a fabricated clone that's not designed to be conscious 😢
Her motes are her haunting the lair, that's why during belly of the beast, Ordis instructed us to gather said motes so he can shoot them into the sun to ensure that Parvos doesn't get the Jade light power from her and also give her eternal peace
I think the rhythm at 15:30 is likely parallel to contractions rather than a heart beat. The waveform/signal does not look like a qrs complex and the ui does say "push (key)" rather than press. Great analysis anyway!
@@TheDsIEGE hah well you picked up the symbolism better than I did- passing of life/essence makes a lot of sense. Loving these vids and can't wait for more!
Lore implications aside, can we all just appreciate the message of this quest? A eulogy to and for the women who sacrificed for us to have us, and to those who paid the ultimate sacrifice and are no longer with us.
I think that in order to contend with the man in the wall's power over the void we'll have to utilize our warframes or other sources of power that don't solely stem from the void. Anyway Sirrus is a cloud type and Orion is a star constellation, which is pretty cool. I picked Orion because of the men in black. "The galaxy is on Orions belt!" Two more mentions of the jade light is in Ivara's Leverian and when Yonta stated she killed herself with it. Also side note, in the new war why did ballas chose to send us to "hell"? We were just one tenno, strong but really no different than the rest, that is unless in his genius he knew that eternalism would make it so every one of us would be sent there.
I love how Ordis calling out Umbra implies that Umbra has just strolled around the orbiter before.
@@ajfenton2519 if I remember correctly it's implicitly stated throughout the umbra quest and by Ordis in one of his several lines of dialogue he randomly says when in your orbiter.
Space Dad has to stretch his legs once in a while, y'know! It's not every day his adopted child takes him to battle, what with all the newfangled "NukeFrames".
My favorite reveal was that Stalker sleeps like a damned bat. He IS Batman!
😂
Unique weaponry. Unique transportation method. Lives in an actual cave. Has an old advising man in the chair back at home base. Driven by the trauma of the past. And continues to fight knowing that he can never kill his targets. Hmmmmmmm
honestly the idea of stalker just coming after us after the baby falls to sleep is the most funniest shit of all time
New stalker phase, eepy Stalker
I just imagine the stalker popping into our orbiter again, this time MAYBE WITHOUT A SCYTHE, asking questions about how kids work (since the tenno are kids afterall!), getting his answers, and then promtly leaving again....god I love stalker as our ally
@@scorpiowarrior7841 This gives me the image of the Stalker going to the Tenno holding the child, and looking at them with worry. "HOW"
@JadeXeno my operator would be screaming LOL
@@scorpiowarrior7841 I mean we do have a dad living with us
I swear to God next time Hunhow appears he better break out of Uranus just like Megatron while screaming ''I AM HUNHOW. SENTIENT DESTROYER OF WORLDS''
That would be epic... I want our tenno to ride him out like the man in the wall at the end of the New War!
@@TheDsIEGE like how aquaman rides that giant crab squid in the first aquaman movie
We really need to fish Grandpa Hunhow out of the depths, some sunlight might be good for him
It'd be seriously cool to team up with him in a Railjack mission or something
Would love to see what hunhow can actually do. He has been hyped up for so long it's time to see what he can do.
Seriously though, I hate how much a of little b!t€h they’ve made Hunhow he’s an absolute joke now.
The way Hunhow says "I remain the great and terrible Hunhow" shows that he wants to redeem himself especially after how much trouble we went through to rescue his daughter. Hunhow is gonna be pretty lonely now that Sorren and Jade are no longer there. Maybe we'll get a chance to work with Hunhow to convince Sorren that we're his ally.
It's not so much convince as much as it is Sorren needs to come to terms with the fact the Tenno are just as much a victim as he is. That despite everything we are indeed willing to bury the hatchet.
I think our boy is gonna come back with his son and they're BOTH gonna be our allies, along with Hunhow.
@@DioStandProud Thematically it ties in nicely too as Hunhow laments the family they cannot have and have also lost, they also sounded (to me at least) a little sad that Stalker had left, they have, as they put it, grown sentimental in their rot. It's a weird found family situation in finding common ground to coexist and maybe even thrive if they can just put old grievances to bed.
NEW BASE FOR THE TENNO.: WE'RE ROOMING WITH GILF HUNHOW.
@@Devilcakes GILF HUNHOW 💀💀
@@bleachedink ARE THOSE HIS BONES? :O
you couldn't hold a uranus joke in for 1 single minute along that video 😭
and he did those jokes in such a calm way it felt like any normal speach XD
@@FarookKMOON it was just one after another
@@seirbells9546 Continually pinging the depths of uranus like a man posessed.
I chose the name Sirius. The option was green and logically, it'd seem like Stalker would want to honor his wife's memory and name his son something to she'd want.
I chose the same for what it's worth!
Sirius deeper meaning means brightest star shining in the sky and Osiris meaning is hunter so regardless of what you picked it is fitting
My biggest question was why is there child chosen to be the heir
I’ve always like the name Sirius (the Dog Star) I actually read the other name as Orion (stupid dyslexia always getting stuff wrong for me) which is a mime I also love but I’m glad I didn’t pick it as ied misread it.
Also when we finally meet the baby again we can make the the joke are you serious?
@@permeus2nd Good News: You didn’t misread it actually is Orion. I find it neat that both are based off of stars with Orion being a reference to Orion the constellation
My "dad instincts" kicked in so damn hard when Stalker took his baby frame in his arms. I was like, "I will jump in front of a bullet myself for this metal baby machine thing! NO HARM SHALL COME TO THIS CHILD!!!"
😭
Same here man. I was gonna go full doom mode on the corpus for this kid... full on rip and tear.
My mom instincts kicked out during that sequence.
My pregnancy was fine, but my mom almost died having me, so it was something I was really scared off and justified the trigger warning at the start of the quest.
I so appreciate the subtle humanity written into the Corpus we’re getting to know in the narrative-Fortuna and Solaris United, Veso ignoring Alad V’s orders to aid the Origin System, now Captain Xeto putting aside her aspiration to join the Sisters to keep a baby safe.
Siege: "Uranus... and all of its enormity."
Stalker: "INSULT."
I believe hunhow is simple. He's lost so much and almost lost natah (lotus) for good. He might not like it but the tenno are his grandkids. Alliance might be as far as the relationship goes but its all he has left with new war taking also his son Erra.
I couldn't agree more. Interesting that while the Lotus was given children through the tenno, it would seem Hunhow has been given the same gift and is only beginning to understand.
Hunhow is basically the angry grandpa that begrudgingly acknowledges his descendants.
@@chrisdufresne9359 unlike Mark Hamill 😂
Me to
Props to Gianni Matragrano for doing a pretty sick Stalker voice
That flew over my head. I thought all voiceovers are of Siege?
@@Blackwing2345635Not for Stalker in-game.
@@Blackwing2345635when Siege reads the dialogue, it’s Siege voicing stalker. When he’s not reading dialogue, it’s Gianni
Here's what I believe happened based on your observations
1. Jade herself worked on and/or created the Jade Light as a method of healing and termination, and probably worked with the Orokin Judges in some way, thus being somewhat High Society.
2. Sorren was a soldier, a Low Guardian. He and Jade met, and fell in love. They had to keep it secret due to how brutal Orokin society was.
3. Jade became pregnant with Sirius/Orion, and they hid it as best they could. When she started showing, she told the Orokin that the father was some other law officer or scientist across the Empire.
4. But, Ballas or some other Orokin found out that Jade and Sorren were meeting in secret, and put two and two together. (Around 8 months into Jade's pregnancy, I'd say).
5. Ballas found out and was PISSED. But he couldn't waste the talents Jade and Sorren had offered to the Empire, oh no.
6. The couple was arrested, put on trial, and sentenced to the Helminth. However, both were exposed to low levels of the Jade Light as well, one final torture before the transformation.
7. Stalker/Sorren survived, changed in the red Excal we know him as. Jade also survived, but her pregnancy was severely slowed, the baby having to protect itself and his mother by slowing its own development once turned into a Frame.
I know this comment might be unrelated but please DE make so Umbra just roam around and play his Shawzin in our orbiter/drifter's camp.
Yes, we need this, maybe also have him look/ contemplate at decorations on our orbiter from time to time
That would be amazing. I love using him just so I can Tenno the missions! Fun Fact, if you put something like Lenz or Kuva Bramma on him, you're tenno will have very little to do in the mission, lol
This quest just made me think that we don't hate Ballas enough lol
And considering most likely most orokin knew about this.Their genocide was to merciful
@@Rhino-Prime With every tiny lore reveal, the Orokin purge becomes exponentially more based
I'm really hoping we experience a time lapse when returning from 1999 and Sirius/Orion is grown up, leading his Father and the Acolytes. So much potential can be made from this I can't wait to see the outcome. Also if there is a time lapse, I kno its unlikely but there is a lot of hinting that Granum could revert Ordis back into the Beast of Bones. Couldn't see anyone better holding off the enemy forces while the Operator is gone during a said time lapse in their place than a resurrected Ordan Karris.
Here's the thing, we don't know how long it will take for a warframe baby to grow. Maybe 18 years... but probably more like 2-10 and would allow DE to bring it in whenever they want. And... while I'm not sure we'll get Ordan Karris back, I'm betting more and more that Ordis will have some kind of combat capability... maybe even a warframe, in the same way shown in silver grove...
@TheDsIEGE hear me out we can summon ordis and he controls your necromeach remotely
Very much yes, or ordis has a warframe with an exalted necramech@@eror404acountnotfound9
I'm willing to bet that proteia might be crucial in order for that to happen to ordis I do hope we get to see the beast properly
They are certainly building up Parvos for the future, now having him appear in two themed missions in a row and even giving some interesting dialogue with Balas in the Protea Prime trailer. The Worm Queen better step her own game up before the Grineer fall behind.
I desperately want to sew tyl regor in the spotlight, I absolutely love his personality and voice actor
He's also the fourth character to have confirmed interactions with the Man in the Wall (Tenno, Albrecht, Lotus and then Parvos in confirmation order), and he has actively spoken Voidtoungue too.
It's so sad that Parvos granum died of ligma
@@mechaSurge Who the hell is Steve Jobs?
I remember choosing Sirius because after a quick mythological dive, Sirius was the brightest star in the night's sky, I chose that name since it is implied Jade wanted that name , but also because you could see the child as Stalker's brightest light. In a world of darkness, where he spent untold centuries or even millennia hunting and assassinating Warframes, he now has a new purpose, to protect both his and Jade's light.
My head-canon is Jade and Sorren were in a class defying relationship as you suggested, given how strict the Orokin were with class hierarchies and staying within your assigned caste, they obviously had to keep this a well kept secret, but somehow Ballas found out, either because Sorren was a guardian in his vicinity for a long duration of time, or he just found out through whatever ways he had back then, but instead of just punishing both Sorren and Jade for this violation of Orokin societal norms, he instead chose to blackmail Sorren, assigning Sorren to be one of Ballas' personal guards in exchange for Jade's continued safety, so long as he didn't interact with her again.
Ultimately it didn't last in one form or another as Jade eventually did become a Warframe, likely becoming the lead executioner of the Orokin, although it seems like Sorren didn't know this even up to the time of Jade Shadows, but Ballas wasn't done being a manipulative scumbag, when the Tenno eventually rebelled and decapitated the Orokin Empire, leading to it's swift fall into chaos, Ballas influenced Sorren into believing that Jade was still alive, but she was butchered, child included by Tenno beasts. this would foster his unyielding hatred for the Tenno that would continue to burn up until present day, I now personally believe that before Ballas went into hiding, he gave Sorren to objective to destroy the Tenno, but in order to have a somewhat even playing field, Ballas offered the Helminth Strain to Sorren, to become a Warframe in order to complete that objective, using that one memory of the love he lost and the child he never got to see, he became a fully sentient Warframe, much like Umbra.
Loved the video DsIEGE! You definitely helped clean some stuff up regarding the quest in a way that makes sense, hearing your take on the Belly of the Beast event in your next video is gonna be fun as well
Thank you and I like your take on it as well. I'm working on the next one as we speak, should have it out soon!
I chose Orion because its a set of three stars. Sorren, Jade, Orion.
Because even though Jade passed, she will live vicariously through us, protecting the system unlike her husband who subjugated it's protectors. Basically acting as the guiding star (Sirius) whilst Sorren raises their child. Makes it much more wholesome in thst way imo.
This was such a short yet such a head trip. Thanks for trying to make sense of it.
You aren't kidding. Small quest, HUGE implications. Blew my mind.
@@TheDsIEGE warframe is one of the few franchise that can do it.
Team Sirius here!
I hope the child will turn out to be our triumph card against The Man in the Wall.
This quest was definitely one of my favorites, and i hope they bring orion and stalker back for a future quest.
Also I totally thought stalker was gonna put his kid into a transference pod.
Guaranteed they will, and I'm betting it's either gonna be a big one or... the beginning to the final battle.
Rebb already said they're working on something in the last Devshort.
It’s Sirius, not Orion
I named the child Sirius because it was marked with Jade's color, so I thought Sorren would want to honor Jade and not his hatred through the name Orion.
@@xenon3990well its either or
I chose Sirius. Sirius was the signal of prosperity and harvest in ancient Egypt, and I do wish Stalker will prosper as his son grows.
Ballas knew, and it was definitely a punishment. There is a lore tablet added to conclave's area of the relays that confirms this, right next to where Teshin usually is. The whole thing is written from Jade's perspective, and it is... Heartbreaking, to imagine someone I know going through that, let alone while the person in question is pregnant.
Apparently, Ballas even lied to Sorren promising to reunite then if he serves well enough, and taunted Jade by telling her about said lie. He also gave another taunt that hints at just how long it took for Sirius/Orion to finally be born.
Oh he taunted them aye. God, I need DE to make Ballas choking on his last breathe in the new war as a Spotify song
Agreed @@The-No-oneeven after that bastard had the life drained out of him, we're still finding more and more reasons to despise the damned executor.
Yonta and hell, even the Entrati family (except for maybe Albrecht depending on the results of his "atonement", Tagger for example suffered a significant amount the very moment he gained sentience, even moreso than the other Cavia) are probably the best among Orokin society, and even they have their messed up moments backstory wise.
@@lordnul1708 I honestly wouldn't care if they did a stupid thing to bring Ballas back, I just need a Ballas boss fight that we can redo anytime we want to and we actually fight him, like an assassination mission
21:51 Yes, I think this is the case.
There are meta reasons why Jade must be the original source of the Jade light.
Basically this:
An author shouldn't write about Pegasus, hype up a flying horse, yet not have it be the Pegasus they kept writing about.
Jade the Person/Warframe, Jade the color, Jade Light ... it pretty much must be an absolute connection.
The Warframe writers are basically screaming wolf at us, while our faces are right up against the nose of the wolf.
But there is also an in-game connection that seems to fit:
Glory on High's alt fire fits how executions by Jade Light are described by eye witnesses.
"Use alternate-fire to detonate Judgments, causing an explosion of Jade Light"
Compare with:
"the Archimedian erupting into a flash, jade-like and blinding. I knew her. She was the greatest scholar of genetics who ever lived. Except now she was nothing but mist and gore..."
"Mist and gore" implies force and "into a flash" implies abruptness and intensity. If this doesn't fit, I don't know what does.
There is also some character called Myrmidon.
Made use of the Jade Light through a device strapped to their wrist. Killed Warframes with it.
An Ophanim Eye could fit.
Would also explain how Jade Light can be present without necessitating Jades presence,
at least if we assume the Ophanim Eyes can be manipulated in this manner, though this seems almost like a trivial engineering task for Ballas.
But this one is super speculative. I could've been too deep in Uranus too often, and now I'm seeing Jade Light everywhere.
Parvos also calls her the executioner.
@@aphermion if parvos can recreate the jade light why wouldn't the orokin be able to make jade light devices? There was even one on the zariman.
Stalker wil step in while we are in 1999. He now has a reason to act. To protect his child.
I wanna know what hte acolytes are. Were they stalker's old unit? Derranged fans? Clearly they are like him. I suspect honestly they're his old unit. I wish we'd gotten t osee them.
Then again thta is somethign I want because it gives them new purpose. Something to live for beyond revenge and old wounds.
I was hoping they would have been included to some degree but... It's possible their association with him might mean they are low guardians as well, with similar purpose. As far as stalker is concerned... I've been hoping for this moment for years. A reason to ally...
@@TheDsIEGEPretty sure it was confirmed long ago that his Acolytes are the other Low Guardians who were present with him the day the Tenno used their metal/award adorned (Prime) warframes to strike down the Orokin. Having seen Sorren launch into the fight to try to fight off the “traitors” they saw him as their defacto leader.
“ I will remain as the great, and terrible Hunhow”
At least he still understands what it means to be a father but it sad he still awaits a purpose he cannot abandon but what purpose ? Mother sentient? Or something else?
As for the shadow and his kin what future will they decide
Note: Its still amazing an actual warframe giving birth. What can of sick golden lord thinking!
Over time... I've really come to care about Hunhow. I remember when he was like the BIG BAD but like now... he's the tenno's grandfather, as another commenter said. I never really thought of it in those terms, but I wonder if he too maybe considering the same thing.
Maybe there'll be a point where he and Lotus/Natah/Margulis reunite peacefully, because he finally gets to truly redeem himself.
I see it's 3 hours earlier than was originally announced, nice
Edit: just realized because he announced it in eastern time, but I'm in pacific, oof
LoloL, I saw that earlier and was wondering if I did something, lol
11:12 I found it a bit curious, of how Stalker could easily teleport into our orbiter. Which means that he could have probably been able to kill US, whenever he wanted. 😅
my father used to be a navy seal, and hes always say something along the lines of.. theres no greater enemy than the voice in your head. appeal to that voice an your enemy will crack. maybe its all a head game with stalker i mean, his name says it all
I would love and hope so much for Captain Xeto to join us in the camp, and even be helping Kahl. We would then have both grineer and corpus figures as allies. Thinking about it, imagine if the Acolytes also became allies. They and the Stalker can protect the entire system if we as players either get stuck in 1999, or head off to Tau.
Me too and I think that's where she'll end up sooner or later
They did say that they wanted to bring the Velco gameplay back. (Although as a different Corpus since Viko is canonically dead). Seems like a good oppertunity to tie this to Xeto
She's gonna have to do something after betraying the being she just moments before worshipped as a god. Most contrived ending to a quest in a long time when they ripped off the ending of Children of Men just for some sisterhoodpowapoints lol Ain't no way a baby crying stops a zealot from adhering to their god's command, are we just ignoring what Sisters do to become Sisters, Xeto wanted to be a full Sister, she was committed to that. If she has a reason, I'll be very interested to hear it.
@@agingerbeard I mean... zealots turn all the time. A lot of us like to think we'd do anything it takes to reach our goals, and probably even 99.99% of Sisters fall in line with your proposed prejudice. But it's hard to guarantee EVERY SINGLE one of them do not have a line they will not cross. Xeto might be just the .01%
Would you say all terrorists without fail would aim and fire at a child? No? There you go.
In this sense, I kinda doubt it's contrived as there themes combating indifference does fit narratively with this.
"Consider that, this baby most likely has the capacity to also grow"
Picturing how funny it would be that Sirius/Orion is in fact the first baby Warframe, does NOT grow up and this little fella is just slaughtering hundreds across the system,
Paving way for DE's end goal: Baby Looney Toons Warframe style spinoff
ah, yes, a talking fetus
Your narrative quality is leaps and bounds above other content (stuff in a similar vein AND otherwise), and deserves ... I dunno. Some kind of SERIOUS recognition. Truly. Keep at it, man.
Hey, thank you very much!!!! I'm glad you enjoyed it!!!
I firmly believe that the Jade we got, since, she's a copy, is not AS powerful as original Jade her self. considering how she's a source of the Orokins most painful punishment. Hence why peepaw Hunhow says she "still haunts" Uranus, and why we have to pull her essence out of Uranus, as painful as it sounds.
Because if Parvos got his hands on enough data to recreate a mobile fleet of Jade light eximus with the same amount of power as the real Jade light, we'd be screwed.. or at least have a much harder time dealing with them.
Also, I'd like to believe that each warframe we have, despite being a copy, retain SOME of the original's personality, hence why each one has their own unique idle animation, and why when Hunhow gave us Jade, it was in the last state she was in.
My question is if the Tenno still need a human to build our Warframe around? Because if we do that's...concerning. Were we able to figure out how to mold the bio-steel and shape an artificial nervous system? Or do we still need a base of meat and bone to start the process of making a copy of a Warframe?
@@ChristopherSadlowski I believe it to be think of a 3D printer. And your hemith segment. We didn’t need a human to build it. But also we do have the warframe cryo pods we protect and they say they are fallen allies so they could be what we protect is a basis of our warframe preserved. And the 3D modeling is just added essence of what the warframe was. Like jade we add jade essence.
@@ChristopherSadlowski well no, we're just using other materials to build them now rather than having to get a human body. Probably using mostly infested flesh from the helminth to make new ones.
I remember some discussion of peoples that speculate that jade could have been an archimedian that discovered/invented the jade light.
It could explain why ballad choose this specific warframe to have jadelight based ability.
We know he love cruel irony in his designs of warframe.
I'm glad you talked about them mentioning the "Jade Light" in passing dialogue. I wish they would've expanded on that. I was coming up with a theory that she was their executioner or something of that nature.
Also, not only enternalism. But we are about to mess with time travel. Ballas is still alive in the past...
I don't think Ballas will make a reappearance, at least not as a villain.
I've been calling Hunhow a potentially ally ever since the New War, and it felt so good to be vindicated with this story.
The reasoning I gave people is pretty much what we end up seeing here: New War showed how tired he was, how hurt losing his daughter made him feel, how it made him re-think his priorities, and how the Tenno are just as much victims of the Orokin as he is
'As sound of mind as anyone else in this system' hahahahaha the bar was set so low
Ngl, the moment Stalker yelled "TRY!" I almost choked on tears. Guy really brought out the desperation in that scene.
You can find more info about Jade's story near Teshin in the relays
Here's my theory, and some food for thought. I believe that Jade is the source of the Jade Light, but as an orokin, not a warframe. Timeline-wise it wouldn't make the sense that the warframe's the source, knowing that Margulis died by the Jade Light. The warframes are described as feral in the pre-Zariman days and they had to be locked up. Had they been able to be controlled, let alone harvested for death ray particles the warframes would have had a lot of use even in the days before the transference. I highly doubt that in what I believe is a couple years at most that Margulis was able to teach and control the Tenno and then for the Orokin to be able to reverse engineer the death ray and to subsequently implement it as a special kind of execution. I agree that their love was forbidden, but not because of Sorren's duties but Jade's, as here she'd have been an important researcher, possibly an Archimedian. There are two things we all need to think about. One is small scale, yet I feel we have forgotten since it happened at the very beginning of the quest. Why does Hunhow question Jade's motives for saving Sorren during the Tenno uprising? He puts it like she would have had more reason to save someone of the Orokin instead of him and that just doesn't make sense considering what we know of their relationship. My current hypothesis is that he somehow tried pleading with the Orokin instead of keeping their relationship secret, thus leading to her being turned into a frame as a punishment, and him maybe even as a reward. This whole thing is build on the fact that as the Stalker he does everything he can to uphold Orokin morals and values, even though they fucked him over more than most. The second thing to think on, and this is a biggie. Sorren was already a frame during the Tenno slaughter, and so was Jade. This means that now canonically there were Tenno-less warframes being placed on low positions, which to me means there were many of them. I don't believe that during any point in time he was being used by an Operator, if he was piloted during the slaughter he would have been part of it, and he would have had no way to kill his Operator as he didn't know where the Reservoirs were. It would also explain his confusion during the Second Dream, as he'd have to question whether his life as Sorren was real or was he a dreaming child. This opens up a whole can of worms when you think about it. The Primes are the original soldiers turned warframes, and the regular frames were duplicates, but how many of them were there. Because even though the Zariman was a big ship meant for colonizing, there couldn't have been that many children there, and we already have 50 frames to account for. How many ordinary frames were there, were they piloted by anyone, if so whom. And the final thing that comes to me as I write: when we rebuild Umbra, we turn ordinary materials into a copy of a frame which then has the personality and memories of the original frames. Would these mass produced frames have copied personalities? Does this allow for another kind of immortality, one where a core personality can be reborn again and again for three and a half days in a foundry? I'll leave that up to you
I like that!
My two favorite things about the quest are the story itself and the music.
All instinct too... He only realized the child was alive moments before and still gave his body for him. A father's love, if true, is unconquerable.
My personal headcanon is that Sirius and Orion are names that Jade and Soren (resoectively) would have picked for their unborn child before it all haplened, and personally I went with Sirius because I like the idea that Stalker is that committed to keeping a part of Jade alive in their son.
I imagine the operator or drifter rolling their eyes every time the stalker shows up and drops a dread bp while bwing shot at by corpus or grineer with 20k overguard
I haven't seen anyone mention it, so I will. The voice acting for hunhow and the stalker was super sick and helped me be more immersed in the video. Great work!
@@v3sono thank you!!!
Xeto's reaction at the end always gets me 😭
I love how Hunhow went from a possible antagonist to someone we can actually rely on for an ally.
I hope the Stalker can become more of an ally now
Im just glad it confirms what Jade Light is. Or at the very least how its power is channeled. The baby WAS the jade light within her.
Ever since Ballas mentioned Margulis’ execution by jade light I wondered if it was literal, slang, or some kind of metaphorical thing.
I might of not been paying attention, but when he referenced the jade light, I wonder if he was actually talking about the Warframe herself, maybe they only used her for her light and at the time the baby didn’t drain her badly like it did towards the end
Three relatively important things to note from this quest.
FIRST: Stalker can speak. It has been a specifically noticed thing that the Warframes were designed to only to be able to howl or growl or roar, and Stalker can form actual words and sentences though it appears to tax him to do so.
SECOND: Jade is an Original Frame. To give birth as she does, she has to have been. I know DE's official stance is "there were as many operator's/Warframes as there are people IRL" but I think for it to make sense, Original Frame+Operators need to exist.
THIRD: this is yet another example of a Frame working g on its own without an operator. One other side tangent, Parvos Granum had a Warframe made FOR HIM TO HIS SPECIFICATIONS. Said Warframe then operated on its own to protect and serve Granum,no signs indicating an Operator. Jade was suppose to defend the Orokin Higher ups, and apparently abandoned her duty to protect her Lover, Soren. I'm starting to think that while the original Warframes might have been driven mad by the process, that most of that is actually a lie, a propaganda piece, and that Warframes don't inherently go crazy, and instead may have rebelled akin to the sentients.
Jade Shadows was such a good quest. It managed to coherently squeez so much info into so little space. I love where were going with stalker but im more facinated by hunhows development on the side. Hunhow of all entities in the Origin System, could make for a great ally vs the corpus when they inevetly start hunting down stalker.
As he leaves to leave Uranus with its sheer huge Normandy
Of all lore vids i personally like yours the best and i am eaglery waiting for warframe 1999.
I like how for a while now a lot of quests has us making peace or being neutral towards older enemies of us, or getting more allies. We have Kahl and his Camp, we have the Lotus, the Drifter, the Entrati family/Loid/The Cavia, Vox Solaris United, now Hunhow and Stalker, the Holdfasts, soon the Hex. I believe we are building up a lot of allyships for something big to come where we might potentially need ALL their help
I named the boy Sirius cause based on what I've observed of him during this short quest, i had a feeling that the Stalker/Sorren would've done that as well. Plus i secretly want the Stalker to end up becoming an ally/rival to us rather than an enemy.
Him marking us could then just be a sparring match when he shows up, instead of him genuinely trying to kill us.
I agree with a lot that has been said. I really hope we get his former allies into this and learn the mystery’s possibly behind them. I don’t see ballas coming back. But possibly another warframe can help. Understanding of umbra and the umbra link he has. Would the stalker have a stalker link? Would we be able to upgrade our warframe like an incarnation weapon to look like stalker eventually? I do wish to see the child grow up. Could this gray strand be harnessed? What other properties does it have and could it be a possible answer? Fight with bigger warframe I find it hard to believe we would use an army of huge warframe a but possible fight fire with fire. New entity’s show up at every corner. Will warframe 1999 show a weakness to the man in the wall or will we fulfill our deal with him to fight something bigger? I feel we are moving towards amending a relationship with stalker to possibly form a new stalker faction or a new area like the iron wake. I agree with alot that’s said. Great video love the work put into it.
4:30 i‘ll take that as a compliment, thank you very much!
You should!!!
check teshins room on the relay, there is a tombstone near him with the rest of jades lore.
Can we just discuss how HARD the jade shadows theme goes, GOD FUCKING DAMN SPOTIFY RELEASE WHEN??
This was such a short but powerful quest that has a lot of potential paths it can go down and explore. I personally named the child Sirius as I like to look at this as a chance for the Stalker to let go of his pain and to finally understand that we were never his enemy to begin with.
Id like to mention this.
Ordis' first thoughts when something unknown is in the ship.
Operator. (Cares deeply for them)
Umbra. (Only living warframe abored)
Helminth. ( to qoute ordisn "literally, the bowles of the ship")
11:34
Edit for other things i noticed.
He calls the operator in a worried tone. Umbra in a confused tone, and helminth in a desperate/displeased/annoyed tone.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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What id like to see is the stalker, unable to go anywhere else to find safty, comes to us to protect his child and we'd get an option (or its chosen for us) to let the stalker join us abored our orbiter.
I just hope that Stalker and Jade’s child grows up happily and healthy.
@18:26 - "Which name did you choose, and why?"
Sorren (what's left of him): Son of my beloved...last reminder of our bond...bearer of her life...Sirius...
I chose to name the kid Sirius, because the stalker was willing to break his personal oath to never help, or receive help from the tenno. but he chose to, to save try and save Jade. not only that, he worked with the Tenno as allies in stopping the corpus from obtaining Jade eximus units, so most definitely he would not want to inflict this child in which has given him new purpose, the trauma of his endless life and experiences he's faced. I feel like he'd do almost anything to not let his child know who or what he used to do, and would want to do what he thinks jade would've wanted. I feel like it'll be a situation where he's trying to find himself again and at the same time fight the internal war to not drag the child into his personal turmoil. I think the stalker was driven to a state of insanity due to his rage and clouded judgment. He's hated so long he's almost forgotten anything else. I think seeing the child reconfigured the hidden and locked away pieces of his mind and forced out other feelings and thoughts that he had forgotten even existed.
Jade light appears to be a force of truely "recycling" an Oro in terms of eternalism - unlike any other options of apparent death, rebirth, exile, change, corruption, it truely transforms one life into new life, free from the baggage of the past or the possibility of change.
Albreichts notes on the vessels lead me to believe we are going to get to actually pilot them in real combat against the void entity
"in the depths of uranus and it is deep,make no mistake about that" got me crying XD
I don’t know if it’s been talked about or mentioned but the Warframe Hunhow saved was more than likely Yareli and thats how she got her deluxe appearance. 8:06
Was watching your "Is this Zariman Ten Zero a part or consequence of The Deal?" video in the bg and at 15:05 Yonta says "I awarded myself the Jade Light." idk maybe the orokin were able to utilize the Jade light beyond the Warframes capabilities? just a thought
The quest was great but I really wanted there to be more to what the nature of the stalker is. He seems to have abilities more vast than warframes, and no operator. If he’s a warframe he has way more control than umbra.
Jade, WF babies and plenty of things in this quest were mind blowing but stalker = WF was a let down….. unless there’s more
I agree, but... I will take what we got. There's still a lot to go through, especially with what's being presented in belly of the beast
"Depths in Uranus, it's deep, no doubt about that!" 😂
the baby is us the tenno, the paradox, past, current, future all happen at the same time
There is nothing in the game that would indicate that AFAIK?
@RebieRebs the zaramin engine paradox drive to enter the void an how it can move faster then light
@@RebieRebs same reason there 2 of you drifter your operator
@@Tacgonmaner You could say anything is the tenno because of the paradox, but that paradox is crafted by the man in the wall on par with the agreement the tenno had. I doubt the man in the wall has any care for this baby and I believe it's a fully living organic warframe, without the host of a tenno.
Hey maybe I don’t remember the lore correctly, but doesn’t the jade light precede the warframes since Margulis was killed before the sentients arrived in the origin system? Could jade have been an attempt to utilize the brutal effectiveness of the light against the sentients but then realized that it could heal as well as harm 21:43
He wouldn’t, but Stalker could 100% just come kick it with the Tenno and raise the child in the orbiter if he wanted to. Safest place honestly. Kinda.
Oh damn the part "The reason" has give me goosebumbs again and some tears the quest is so touching and sad I loved it so much. I relate to loss sadly so much means every Quest about it hits double but I somehow love good and sad storytelling emotions are important ngl.
It was another beautiful quest. DE really knows how to get you in the feels, there's no two ways around it.
"And it is deep. Make no mistake about that." I see what you did there.
Sirius was the name I choose. Being the brightest object in the night sky, Sirius is composed of two objects: a main sequence star, Sirius A (Stalker), and a white dwarf, Sirius B (the child). White dwarfs are collapsars - stellar remnants, products of a star's death. They are what is left once death takes place on these astronomical objects, and that's an amazing parallel to Jade and her child. Even more, white dwarfs are white because they carry the energy and momentum of the former star, like a breath of new life. Such an amazing name.
Imagine a year or two from now, in a future update, our Tenno is in a dire situation, and gets saved by a misterious Warframe. But its not like the others, because it SPEAKS with his own voice, saying "I've been looking for you, Tenno. My name... is Sirius"
17:45 You walked right past an ayatan sculpture...
I totally did, lol... Good catch! That was a good one, too...
14:54 what is that flower on your shoulder? Is it part of an operator suit?
Interesting how Albrecht call the man in the wall “the adversary.” Satan in ancient greek translates to adversary so that might be a reason that Ballas and the helminth calls the operator a devil. Odd thing to notice, but I feel like it adds a deeper layer to The Man in the Wall.
The name I chose for the newborn was Sirius. It felt like...something Jade would've wanted and I feel like the Stalker would understand that's what his former lover would name their son. Honestly, this storyline was gut-wrenching and yet, it felt...wholesome. It brought with it many new questions for the Warframes as well as their sentience in the lore. I cannot wait to see how this is expanded upon.
Why do you think they only let the operator in this story? I always use drifter.
The Stalker and the Operator have a longer history together, he was there on Lua. The Drifter already had a brief alliance with Stalker. Not using the Operator would have been a missed opportunity...
25:00 That man's quoting Gandalf. He didn't think we'd notice, but we did.
I know we’re now making the Man in the Wall the new threat, but given Sol’s new amount of Sentients and a power vacuum from the Veilbreaker quest, a side quest involving Hunhow trying to take over again would be nice.
I'm still shook about the end and the warframe child !!!!
Can't wait to remember the orokin fall
People? Now we have 3 warframes that posses their own will. Three, the Stalker, Umbra, and Jade.
The allegiance between tenno and Hun How is one that was built at a necessity. Who knows how long that's going to last. The stalker getting aid from us regardless of what he's done in the past to us is probably going to turn him into a strong ally later. I would not be surprised if there's a story mission at some point where we have to play Uncle just for that sense of allegiance between the stalker and the tenno. And I don't think that paying that the stalker feels is going to die anytime soon, but I think his child is going to help a lot with that.
Something seemed off about Lua. When Stalker arrived there he was looking up at Earth, but after going to the other end of the tileset he seems to be standing before something completely different?
You know... at first I just thought that was a starry sky in the background but... maybe you're on to something? It does have a weird appearance...
"How are the Tenno going to stop the Man in the Wall if it comes to a physical confrontation"
Slaps my Kuva Zarr: this bad boy can fit so many forma in it
I just can't call the dynamic between Albrecht and Loid "love". It's monstrous and abusive. I would have thought the master/slave dynamic would be shamed from the rooftops, but for some reason horrific relationship dynamics are touted as laudable in gay relationships in modern media, and I'm sick to death of it. I don't know what stopped Wally, but it wasn't love.
I just wanted to reply to the last sentience you wrote about "what stopped Wally, it couldn't have been love", paraphrasing.
No, we did not stop it with love. We stopped it with a show of compassion. That is how you stop the indifference - care, compassion, defiance, show of hope despite overwhelming odds.
@@RebieRebs to put any positive spin on the dynamic between Albrecht and Loid shows how sick the WF fanbase is. It was abuse, which Loid is still trapped by, and it's horrific. The only victory will be when Tagfer and I stand on the bodies of every last Orokin and forge a new bargain with The Sown Seed Of The Orokin Come To Full Bloom: Wally. Pride will fall, in fire and justice, and Tagfer and I will laugh bitterly. See you then!
@@agingerbeard I think you misunderstood - maybe I should have been clearer.
I did not mean a show of compassion etc between Albrecht and Loid. I meant, an overall show of a force that will be willing to stand up against the indifference of... well, the cosmic horror that is TMITW.
No need to bash on the entire fanbase because of some one random comment by someone who wanted to point one thing out and drive a conversation.
But, you know. You do you.
@@RebieRebs I'm part of that fanbase, smug internet childthing lol please, elaborate on how a show of force is an act of compassion.
one thing i cant understand is how stalker wants vengence for the orokin when the orokins "killed" his wife and unborn child
You can hear Hunhow’s sorrow in that last line
That newborn life is very singular. Unique...
Like a dish made for a certain entity.
“I remain: the great and terrible Hunhow”
~a living relic
14:49 Magnanimous, adj.: generous in forgiving an insult or injury; free from petty resentfulness or vindictiveness.
A line that’s stuck in my head is the bit about the stalker if gone from his lairs but she still haunts this place, what did Hunhow mean by “”she haunts this place”” ???
We know so little about the Warframes and this incident goes far beyond even that limited knowledge, what actually happened to Jade we saw her disintegrate but did she die? the only other time we know of a Warframe actually dying is at the hands of the stalker (also when he kills the frame and takes its head dose that kill the operator? As that’s pretty dark) though I kinda guessed that the bosses we beat for Warframe schematics have probably killed that frame that’s how we are able to get the info to build that particular frame, but what happens to a Warframe that dies? Dose it become a ghost?
it might be that she was scanned at some point to try diagnosing her, but beyond that, it's an attempt to weave her into the narrative even tho she probably wasn't thought of until this past year. like the idea is she'd been in the lair wasting away for a long time by now and it affected the stalker's mental state. and yes she died giving her essence to the baby à la steven universe. what we have of her now is a fabricated clone that's not designed to be conscious 😢
Maybe he's talking about the Motes we have to collect in the new mission, the mission starts at the Stalker's lair
Her motes are her haunting the lair, that's why during belly of the beast, Ordis instructed us to gather said motes so he can shoot them into the sun to ensure that Parvos doesn't get the Jade light power from her and also give her eternal peace
I think the rhythm at 15:30 is likely parallel to contractions rather than a heart beat. The waveform/signal does not look like a qrs complex and the ui does say "push (key)" rather than press. Great analysis anyway!
uhh yes. And that's science not me, so...
@@TheDsIEGE hah well you picked up the symbolism better than I did- passing of life/essence makes a lot of sense. Loving these vids and can't wait for more!
When Hunhow mentions the warframe he gave "the insult of a rescue." Isn't he talking about Yareli and her deluxe?
Lore implications aside, can we all just appreciate the message of this quest? A eulogy to and for the women who sacrificed for us to have us, and to those who paid the ultimate sacrifice and are no longer with us.
I think that in order to contend with the man in the wall's power over the void we'll have to utilize our warframes or other sources of power that don't solely stem from the void.
Anyway Sirrus is a cloud type and Orion is a star constellation, which is pretty cool. I picked Orion because of the men in black. "The galaxy is on Orions belt!"
Two more mentions of the jade light is in Ivara's Leverian and when Yonta stated she killed herself with it.
Also side note, in the new war why did ballas chose to send us to "hell"? We were just one tenno, strong but really no different than the rest, that is unless in his genius he knew that eternalism would make it so every one of us would be sent there.
Personal vendetta