*EDIT* : Not going to lie, genuinely surprised at the amount of people of who are actually upset at this list. It's subjective, it's not that deep guys, relax. I gave my honest opinion. If this means taking the "L" this early into 2024 then I will but I'm not going to change my picks or take the video down. I like my picks and I gave a condensed reason to why they sit in their positions. Even if it's my list, I tried to be unbiased in some areas but mostly remained true to how I felt about them/their builds today. Beneath, I wanted to elaborate the categories because we did a brief rundown of this on Stream but I wasn't as clear in this video: *S* - Overpowered (In this day in age "WE" are overpowered. I can take the worst frame and still melt Steel Path with it. So, what does that prove? This is a touchy ranking and this will always be up for debate. *A* - Meta Related Frames (These frames fall into this category because I play them more often than others due to their ability to be efficient for what "I" need. Therefore, they are ranked highly. *B* - Great/Setup Frames (These frames EASILY could fall into A, but to me, they won't. Because I don't enjoy their style. I'm not the biggest fan of "setup" related builds like Ash' Bladestorm (example). *C* - Good Frames (Nothing much to say here. I think there isn't much bad to say about the frame, but I either don't use them due to lack of efficiency or they lack in departments. *D* - Bad/Rework Frames (Self explanatory. There are definitely some Warframe's that it's a tough pill to swallow, but I would like to see them in a better place. Nothing personal, raise blessings to lord Pablo. Anyways, I hesitated on a video like this and you guys proved me right. I'll let it cook, thanks for the support from some and if you prefer me to do a different structure in the future let me know.
@newpoint4153 I feel if I could go back and redo this video before release I probably wouldn't freeball it as much as I did here. I don't believe my picks are unfair, if anything, a frame could rank one position higher or one position lower but that's mostly about it - Anyways, to the point - I should of showcased video footage on every build I spoke about. People need evidence these days otherwise they're quick to call you out. Regardless, it is what it is. If I ever muster the courage to do another one sometime perhaps I'll think twice about the structure. These lists are just drama fuelled lol. Not my style but I branched out of the comfort zone for once!
Enjoyed the video a bunch. I didn't agree with all of your rankings, but as you CLEARLY said at the beginning, the list was subjective. I enjoy hearing other takes on warframes I may have been sleeping on.
You're reading too much into, man. If people have nothing else to do all day, then get upset over a subjective ranking video; they should probably re-assess themselves. Your rankings were fine. If I agreed wholeheartedly with everything you said, then there'd be no point in ranking anything. After re-visiting my old Trinity and tweaking her build with new mods, and adding an arcane I will say that she doesn't need a rework, or even a hot fix stat adjustment like I had initially thought. Her 1 is the only questionable ability that can be removed and not be missed. I kid you not, she is god tier indestructible with a half decent Link build. Rest assured, this is not the first tier list where she was put lower on the scale when compared to Wisp and Citrine. Admittedly, it put a false pretense in my mind during my initial return. I ended up trying out the other supports and not thinking twice about dusting her off, or giving her a fair shot. I found my old Vampire build dull in comparison to what the newer supports had to offer. Here is my brief break down. Wisp is fine. She does her job well, has decent CC, her buffs are nothing to scoff at. Base kit wise, Wisp is a home run. Her survivability is questionable when compared to Citrine and Trinity. I know people will argue differently. But when you have to stay moving/air borne for your survivability to work properly then it's more work to do what the others do naturally. Citrine, she has a lot to offer a squad and is excellent at increasing and dealing damage with her crystal (3). Her defensive boost and auto HoT are solid. There seems to be an issue with her 4th and red crits not being as much damage as other crits for certain frame loadouts, so her 4th can sometimes inadvertently downplay others' damage numbers. With the right setup, she can be almost on par with Trinity in terms of survivability. Citrine feels a bit more spammy with her 1, but that is purely subjective. Trinity, like I said, is virtually unkillable with a single button press and basic mods. You should Helminth out her 1, but it's not mandatory. She also deals extremely heavy damage to any unit, it's just not super flashy. Like someone said in my other comment(s), Trinity is the Harrow of the supports. She excels at solo play and is decent in a squad. She also has the heaviest healing and the most reliable energy management system out of all the other supports. She is still the tried and true OG and owns her space very well. She just fell victim to not being as flashy as the other newer kids on the block and unfortunately fell out of the spot light. I will swear by the fact that she is a sleeper type frame and worth investing time into if you are serious about being a support main. In my mind, she should be A rank. But this is your tier list and not mine. And that's okay. I'd rather have the discussion and talk about what we like about these frames than bash someone else for having a valid point of view.
pretty much all warframes (except inaros) are good. you can beat pretty much any content with any warframe (except inaros) if you build them right and play them well. All warframes (except inaros) deserve love.
the picks make sense to me just except nidus, I agree with the explanation of him being tanky, locking down a zone but in a category named "meta" he has no shot. He's just another survival mission specialist, very little flexibility: no speed and mobility, almost no weapon buffs, massive setup time...
I have a good amount of time on Warframe but probably not more than most, I started using nidus again and on pretty much any mission it takes me around 8 minutes to get to 30-50 stacks, by then I'm nearly unkillable and I've taken him into steel path as well. So I was just confused about the setup time, which yes he has more than most I guess but I feel like you can make your weapons in this game do millions of damage with mods anyway that will one shot anything, having a damage buff ability won't really change that lol.
A complementary note to observe, NoSympathyy doesn't really do melee, nor does he like to spend time on ability setup (Which means he puts some frames in B that in effect of what they can do would be A for many other people). This list is from my 3rd party perspective primarly oriented towards playing a shooter with abilities to complement.
Thanks for another great video NoSympathyy. Dont let anyone bring you down. You are an amazing content creator and your opinions and feelings on the meta are always valuable and insightful. Not everyone plays the game the same way and not everyone enjoys the same things / playstyles....thats just life. You keep doing your thing and I will continue to be a supporter!
Reasonable, based on your criteria. You were very upfront that this was mostly your personal preferences and you spelled out what those were pretty clearly.
Thanks man, I think next time I do this I will construct it with a better basis, one that everyone accepts and understands fully throughout. Regardless, I enjoyed making this and look forward to a 2025 Tier List with definite changes (after new QoL, Augments, Builds etc)
Yeah the whole thing about Baruuk highlights the fact that you’re only looking at each frame with the “caveman go bonk” idea. There’s much more to a warframes kit than how fast they can kill. There’s also how efficiently they are at achieving an objective.
not upset or anything like that, but iron skin combined with the augments, the skill for transforming shields on armor, and arcane tanker to get even more armor, makes definitely easy to make the iron armor work on steel path. The problem is that you neeed to invest more to get the full potencial, but his iron skin and his roar still works wonders, roar being one of the best damage bufffs on the entire game.
Yeah like he doesnt even need any setup, some energy economy maybe but aside from that you can run him pretty much without mods and he can do most content now with how much of self buffing enemy debuffing and CC he has going on
Also its his tier list. Just because you think something is good doesn't mean everyone should have to agree with you. He says its arguable, but he put Hydroid in B because it's not to his liking. He finds it boring.
Lowkey Loki (unintentional) is pretty good. I think he's high B tier. With Safeguard Switch and Rolling Guard he becomes infinitely immortal and can share it with teammates while also having one of the strongest CC's in the form of Radial Disarm, especially with his Irradiating Disarm augment. His invisibility is also nice to just have an easier time with the game since it also gives you stealth damage multipliers. Funny enough though his invisibility is for some reason shorter than Octavia's. Also there's a lot of cool things you can do with him like banishing a decoy to make a defense target literally never get shot. Underrated IMO, casual play god up there with Revenant.
I think it is very funny that when I started playing (right after the release of PoE) the first Warframe I bought was Inaros and at the time he was generally considered to be high A if not S tier because it was basically impossible to die with him. After 4-6 months of playing I started to main Titania who was absolutely D (lets be real F) tier who would frequently die from yeeting herself into a wall. And now after 5-6 years the ranking of those two warframes is completely inverted. Still main Titania so I'm cool with I just think it's interesting.
Rhino has to be the wildest placement. Once you get late game with your Molt Augmented and blue shards(armor) you're getting 25k overguard without even using his 1 augment.
That's the frame where you gotta dance to activate your abilities 💀 or I can just press one button and activate my ability, sorry but when I heard that's how she activates her abilities I genuinely laughed because I thought it was a joke.
@zeeksy6276 you don't though,you just activate her skills then go invisible...she's the only frame that can do level cap..unmodded. That's how insane she is. She's also insanely boring to play that way too.pop abilities,go invisible and watch enemies kill themselves basically.
Not sure if you've tried playing her in normal content, but actual killing frames leave her standing around useless. Nobody wants to take 30 minutes for the archon defense with 50 Chipper revives. She's great in survival and deimos open world but most places you're waiting forever for the game to play itself.
When it comes to loki A dog replaces his 4.. if that doesnt feel like hes been powercrept idk what will to people And ofc not bringing the Ash vs Loki comparison with invis and teleporting..
Wisp replaces his 123 with just her 2... my boi needs the rework worst of all is, I like thinking of ideas for frame reworks but I can never figure out what to do with him that fits the theme properly
Not saying that he's A tier but I genuinely think he's fine as is. I don't think every character needs a nuking or damage buffing ability. Repo Audit is REALLY inconsistent and also cannot scale off of modded power range as well as has a LOS requirement, also requires you to use the mod itself instead of Null Audit. Also not being able to use Irradiating Disarm is a minus.
@@nbassasin8092 Sort of but sort of not... Wisp's second ability does give invisibility and also a decoy with a tp but it's really not as good. It's a 4 second ability as opposed to a 12 second invisibility ability which only grows in disparity when including modded duration. Sometimes inconvenient to have a decoy not be placed in the direct location and accidentally taking damage. The wisp is way too slow as well that you'll never really use it. Also Loki has Safeguard Switch which can give him invulnerability based on duration.
Khora I can understand not being S but Octavia? Octavia shouldn’t even be a question of good or bad. She is the most boring frame in the game but she still scales to level cap even without any mods whatsoever. If she isn’t overpowered idk what is. She does not require much prep. Just press 1, 3 and crouch a few times. She does not have good damage… she has infinitely scaling damage… she does not have survivability… she has borderline immortality. TLDR: You put revenant in s because he’s immortal. Octavia is also immortal so why is she only A
Personally I wouldn't put Octavia in S because her killing is way too slow for normal content. Mesa, Saryn, Mag, etc will be wiping out enemies before Mallet gets a chance.
@@NeightrixPrime bro what? She DOES kill fast, she has infinitely scaling damage (up to 9999) she has relative immortality and she gets stronger the more enemies there are? If you use Octavia for an extermination mission that’s on you but even then with roller and mallet it’s viable, and for basically every other mission type she’s s tier, putting her in S is only appropriate
Mag is pretty insane, NGL. Put Breach Surge in place of her 1 or 3, then mod to make her Crush a 100% armour strip. Bon appetite. I'm pairing her with an Adarza Kavat and Cedo (though Tenet Arca Plasmor is probably the best, Cedo just fits more with the fashionframe I have on mine) and the Magnetise bubble fills the screen with the amount of red crits produced. My personal build only has 55 power strength, and is using Fracturing Crush, Corrosive Projection and Molt Augmented to get me up to max armour strip. So it takes a little bit of wind up, which is fine in Survival, but I would honestly suggest giving her maximum armour strip from the get-go for general missions, and have the wind up build for Survival. She's flexible how you build her, and I would even say builds with other Helminthed abilities will be amazing. Also, the fact that she's just an absolute shield gating queen PLUS the Magnetise bubble adding another layer of survivability, and little things like her passive sucking resources up from further away, making farming slightly easier, makes her an easy A-tier in my opinion. I can't say enough good things about her.
I enjoy listening to your opinions and agree with them for the most part. I'll be subbing for more. Btw, Mag is a powerhouse now. People usually subsume her 3, but I decided to subsume her 1. My approach with her was to change her into a shield support frame. I put Trinity's 1 in place of Pull for healing and to supercharge Mag's 4th. It works really well. With her I can emergency refresh my team's shields, overshield them, totally strip armor, and take down Eximus with no trouble. Noooooo! Not my Trinity. She used to be my main WAY back. Citrine came in and completely replaced my Trinity for my number 1 support slot. It's so sad to see. Maybe if they gave Trinity a direct damage ability, mass armor strip, or hefty team buffs, she'd be back into her prime. I don't feel like number tweaks would really move Trinity into the A slot, maybe B. Ps: Long tier lists are perfectly fine. I wish there were time stamps with links, but I watched the whole thing. So it's a double edged sword. Hopefully, you'll do another tier list at the end of 2024, beginning of 2025.
Trinity is better than people realize Shes just in the same position as harrow where she's only able to work at full capacity in solo, Link is one of the best abilities in the game at 9k due to being a dps, armor strip, and discount mes skin all in one, along with the best shieldgate refresh in the game, and the best energy economy, helminth on roar or expedite suffering and its over
@V2ULTRAKill Trinity fell victim to age. Other support frames have come along that can do what she does and more. I don't view it as a negative thing either. I remember when Trinity was the only option for a true support and now we have a plethora of choices. I won't dare say Trinity is weak. She remains one of my all time support frames and still has her old setup. I just think that a minor tweak here or there would bring her more on par with what the other supports bring to the table. I have not considered helminthing her yet. My issue with that is all of her abilities are pretty useful. I'd say I'd helminth out Well, but that's a hard single target CC and a heal. Which ability would you replace? Unfortunately, I don't have access to the Suffering ability yet, as I only returned little over a month ago and haven't delved too deep into the helminth system. I think mine is sitting at rank 6, or so? I can not recall atm. Expedite Suffering would really fit well with her toolkit though.
@@azurearcade342 you replace well of life Its objectively a bad ability and the only one she needs replaced or reworked Shes also not a support anymore shes like harrow, shes a soloplay frame masquerading as a support
@V2ULTRAKill I take back what I said. You are correct. Trinity is much more a power house than Citrine by 10x fold. It just takes a bit more investment to get her to that point. I ended up trying out the Link build, but modded it according to my playstyle. I only have a maxed Arcane Blessing on her and another r1 (which is really inconsequential...). I added the Silva & Aegis Prime to her loadout as a mandatory weapon. I put Avenging Truth + Guardian Derision on the weapon. Using Link, she draws all the attention in 15m while blocking (sparing my teammates). Follow that up with the Helminth addition of Roar on her 1 slot. She is also running Archon Intensify (2 away from maxed, because I'm poor on Endo atm). No shards on her, because my only shards are on my Citrine atm and I don't feel like changing my Citrine. She absolutely demolishes anything that gets within range of Link and buffs her team to a greater extent than Citrine can, while also providing nearly impenetrable defenses to herself and the whole squad. Literally making the squad unkillable so long as they stay within range. She's a world away from what she used to be back then. I recall her only viable build being the low duration vampire build way back. Now, it seems like she has more options for offensive fun. I will be continuing to better her. I'd like to invest in 2x Umbra asap. I think 2x yellow shards with casting speed, a blue shard for energy, 2x red shard for ability strength would work nicely on her. As well as getting a full Molt Augmented added in. She'd be an absolute monster... It's a shame my resources are so limited since returning lol. I think she is still the strongest (miss-identified as support) frame, and people forgot about her (like they seem to have forgotten about Nyx).
@@azurearcade342 ironically nyx is also a monster Nyx however, has an issue where she doesnt shine against lower level enemies, but in endurance shes one of the best frames in the game But yeah, trinity just needs a new 1, thanks to how good her augments are she ended up turning into a powerhouse, while also filling a different role from any other support both in teamplay, and solo play
As a beginner, excal was life, but getting the hands on mesa changed the game. After that it was Ash, i just love the assassin archetype, but today i enjoy a lot of kullervo or dante, infact dante has even surpassed my saryn in playtime, love the book boy.
atlas is S!! he can get into 500k damage with one punch, the range of his punches can be HUGE, it can wipe out entire hordes, and it can quadruple if you combo, *and* with augments, he can do his punches at no energy cost with some other benefits if at over 1400 armor with rubble
I haven't watched the full video since I'm relatively new to the game but i agree with revenant being op . As a revenant main I've survived SP with really trash weapons just with his 1st, 2nd n 3rd ability and I'm talking like lvl 500+ enemies for someone who doesn't own nataruk or broken war , so u can guess my reason for it
Full armour strip on saryn with 2 emerald shards is god tier level you can literally fully strip armour just with spores so yea id say shes suitable for s tier but im happy to see even aft so long she atleast makes A tier
I think you should do a video of every frame in the A category that you don't already have current videos of, all the meta frames would be nice to see.
I would say one of the better tier lists compared to many others, not perfect obviously, there are many frames I would adjust, but overall pretty decent. But one thing you should change is the naming of the tiers, a C grade can't be considered "good". The actual tiers should be (SS, S, A+, A, B C). Put revenant to SS tier if you want, take some frames from A tier to S tier and this list would be a lot better.
Reasonable feedback thank you. I have admitted that when I redo this list, I will adjust and make amends to state and clarify positions better and have a notepad or words showing (at all times) what each tier represents so people always have that understanding on-screen as a visual aid. Hopefully it'll be smoother to follow and more reasonable for my picks.
Honestly,not a horrid tier list Which is a nice change of pace....trust me If anything im glad someone somewhat appreciates lavos n caliban,still will disagree with yareli being above B or C tier,but it cant be helped Overall not too bad
Don’t understand why everyone hates Yareli lol her kit isn’t hard to use and I can one shot all enemies within range with her 4th anywhere on star chart and i don’t even have helmenth unlocked except heavy gunners,ancients, and eximus units but they can be sucked into the bubble and destroyed with aoe weapon and I don’t even have a lot of the best mods either I feel like people put her low just because of her k-drive ability lol which also basically makes her invincible
Ember nowadays is just too intense for what she does IMO. Her buttonmashing is pretty much Equi Terrify+Maim lvl with how she must manage her overheat. But where Terrify Equi deletes SP lvlcaps Ember doesn't.
why is revenant the only one in S tier like, i don't disagree just interested on what makes him that much better that he deserve a tier for himself basically
bruh, base iron skin can literally face tank levelcap no problem. Just come up to a group of enemies rolling guard sit in place let them start shooting you, iron skin, sit still for 3 seconds and bam 20+mill overguard, use stomp augment to heal it to full every 20 seconds and your basically revenant with FULL roar AND nourish (making him literally the second most powerfull weapon buffer in the game for status weapons) AND the most usefull single CC ability in the game (stomp (cause it CC's all special enemies, not just trash))). idk why aim bussin out, this list is wierd af all around.
i hate ppls putting reve in S tier bc he can't die, i can make any warframe unkillable, and their abilitis can do something, bc reve 4 is just useless 1 ok but i hate it bc they just die, and his 3 yes y can nuke with it but y need a half hour set up/group meanwhile i just kill anything in a few sec. I do LVL cap so i know
Chroma's 3 is still good ...there are actually a lot of outside sources of damage multipliers (all those other frames with maybe the exception of other tanks. Like rhino or revenant. Pretty much all of them can't stay off the ground. If I had a single plat for all the other Warframes I've picked up I could buy all the rivens in existence.
It's not that the 3 is bad, it's just not as good as any of the other damage buffs. Plus you have to take damage for you to deal damage, every other frame doesn't have that caveat
@@itsprettysurreal its not exactly hard to take damage in the game tho lol. other damage buffs like what eclipse? eclipse is not consistant and depends on lighting and you can either get dr or the damage not both. roar? it was nurfed to not be able to hit the same numbers as rhino. just use a bane mod. infact chroma's buff with a bane is way better then a damage mod like serration or condition overload with roar. even with every status effect under the sun you cant come close to chroma's buff.
That's like saying "You've done a tier list on breakfast Cereal but you don't really eat the bottom 10 boxes of cereal regularly after you tried them because you wasn't a fan, so what's the point in ranking them?" That's how you sound right now. I want to use the frames - just due to my playstyle and due to the content and state of the game, I don't use them because of "x" reason. Which is stated. Per frame. Surely you didn't need me spelling that out.
Most than likely will make an updated video to this but change the rules and base it on builds and comparisons instead. But that will be a while before that comes out
@@ExoticFish12 Every warframe can reach level cap, the difference lies in the ease and comfort that you can do it and how efficient you are in achieving it. I tell you as Oberon player, I could play Citrine and do all the content full braindead, but for me, she is fucking boring. I prefer to play Oberon and not fall asleep at the keyboard.
@@grendelirl5426 fair i made another active build with her tho, i one tap hoards of enemies at once with my ceti lacera just using kullervos 1st with dagaths third (massive cc with massive cd at once) and its amazing
Hot take: Revenant is just as bad as any other tank frame that has nothing else going for him, he just never gets the smoke because he is the best tank in terms of never dying
@@nbassasin8092 you either love him or hate him. It doesn't matter because he is the objective best at what he does and allows me to be a 2 braincell maggot while playing without any worries.
@@joshuathomasverghese1341 that is true, but you atleast acknowledge the double standard people have with him vs Inaros and other frames that have nothing else going for them except not dying
enjoyable and informative video. Some of these comments are a bit thick. I respect nosympathy's opinion and i respect the comments additional views in the comments but stop attacking. It's a bloody tierlist 😂
Yeah, sorry, but this is a pretty bad tier list. Just one example, you have loki as a D tier. He is a frame that can never die when using his augment mod, which basically is a 15 to 20 sec. rolling guard. I easily lvl cap with him. I would say low A to B tier.
If you require a cheese to do content then I don't think it's good content. And if the unbalanced state promotes the gimmick of cheese then I don't think it's good. It's okay to disagree with that, but that's my take on it. Limbo - as by design - will never be balanced and is seen to be used more often to cheese than anyone else. Imo, that's bad, so it goes to the bottom of my list.
Great video I like your honest opinions, as for some of the comments here.....wow talk about "throwing the dummy out of the pram" seriously some people need to chill 😂
I am shocked by so much, Seeing so many frames in A and B when most of that some should be in switched around. Saryn in A when she should be Top tier. Mag should be in A. Octavia should be in Top or at least in A. This is a very weird tier list. Eh everyone has their Opinion.. lol
Thats what im saying how is banshee higher than dagath, yea her silence and armor strip is great but its trash without the augments (cant armor strip without augment) My dagath build was instakilling in sp with just her abilities for 4hrs is a lua conjunction survival, you can shield gate with brief respite, her 4th armour strips, her first and second slow and give damage reduction and her third basically doubles her fourths damage, she has built in equilibrium (i get literally 500 energy from one energy orb without arcane energize) and if you add another equilibrium it doubles her already great built in equilibrium. I dont see how banshee is higher, and with arcane blessing built into dagath she can survive for istg years just sitting there spamming abilities, imo if a frane can survive without weapons for hours in steel path then theyre either an S or an A
u are my new fav wf content creator, u ranked every frame exactly as i would (except for equinox, she is an s tier easily one of the frames with highest kpm with terrify). cheers!
Revenant is boring, this list is ass, most of those lists are, you can make most of the frames work, there's only a few who really arent good, otherwise it's more of it fits your playstyle, I for one absolutely adore Baruuk where as I just hate to play Revenant, his Kit is boring and he is a one Trick pony, now granted that Trick is good but that shlt gets boring real fast, also, he's just slow AF, as a Tank that's kinda expected but when you also literally main Gauss you cant just go back to these kinds of frames, my tip would be to get a Gauss, great kit, funny to play as and does good damage with his 3, his 4 is a perfect buff that also does dmg in combination with his 1, his 2 is defense and his 1 is being Flash, great frame
how in tf in any right mind would u out hyrdoid in b teir. He is f teir at best like wtf. I saw u put him in b and immidealty stopped watching the video cuz u clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Any advice on using her? I just came back to the game (played when plains came out and left around forutuna) and got her. I see the potential already. Right now I'm just waiting to get to rank 3 with the family so I can finish all of the nodes and start on steel path.
@@Luke973T if u don't have the helminth, u can still use all of her abilities since they work pretty well together. But if u do have helminth, u can replace her fourth with gloom (which I prefer) I'm not a min/max player, but I do believe my build works pretty in high level steel path For arcanes, I put arcane guardian, and arcane grace Then the mods, I make sure I have the mod that gives u energy when ur health is damaged(rage) Then I build for range and strength. U can spam abilities because u basically have infinite energy It's a very chill play style. Just mowing down enemies slowly, but surely
Mag B and Ivara C: Sorry but its just a skill issue I dont even like them that much but Ivara is B at worst while Mag is A at worst, people who put those 2 low just dont know how to play them (especially Ivara) Nezha and Rhino at C: hot take, Revenant is the worst tank frame after Inaros, he is the best tank, but thats all he does, Rhino and Nezha are sufficient enough for everything in the game where you want tank, while simultaenously offering other useful things, and clear helminth slot for more useful things. Rev is just his 2 plus any helminth, works fine but nothing better than Chroma or Inaros, just a but more comfortable. Hell even zephyr offers enought tankines to be better while giving you other amazing things, Gauss as well, Kulervo and Frost and so on, any frame that has any tankinesthat is comfortable and practical up until like lvl 300SP is just better to use than Revenant Edit: hydroid is just easy A after the rework, the amount of crap they sew into his kit, and the augment for his 1 make him a monster. Aaaand... wait for it... better tank than revenant for your Steel path up until like 1-2 hours into endurance
You forget that viral reave one shots more or less anything in the game and enthrall just boosts that one shot even higher. On top of that his new mesmer skin augment makes him the best support tank to have in your party making everyone invincible as long as the revenant pays attention to the right side of the screen. I will agree that quite a few other frames didn't receive proper ratings but saying that revenant is the 2nd worst tank is kinda delusional.
@@woljunihah654 Lack reading comprehension? I said Rev is the best TANK, but second worst tank frame, because as a frame he offers nothing except the tank aspect, but I literally said heis the best at that. learn to read also the reave enthrall combo is niche at best, I can pull out same niche cases for 99% of the frames to make them look better but in reality you only use that for meme because weapons will always outdps that combo and be more comfortable to use he is just a pole that you stick your gun to and that doesnt die, that doesnt make him bad, but it does make a good ways to see people like you and this guy in the video who have double standards when it comes to him vs any other tank frame that accomplishes near same tank results while giving you other things you can do as well
Got a blender build on mag, use blood altar on your magnetize target, so long as the initial target is alive magnetize will suck enemies in from outside
@@robertcartwright2236 I know that tech, but theres like 2-3 different mag buids, and like 100 different weapon/helminth synergies, she is just not the frame that rewards sitting on your ass the entire mission and thats why people put her lower than deserved
Hot Take: Nezha, Rhino, Chroma, and Inaros- All four should be S-Tier Frames. They excel in their respective roles, and I hope DE doesn't rework them since they're the overpowered Warframes in the game. I've extensively tested them in SP, Endurance Runs, and Level Cap missions. Nezha effortlessly burns through enemies, controlling and incinerating them as he moves. Rhino instills fear in over 9999 enemies with his ROAR, smashing, headbutting them and gaining millions of armor, trully unkillable. Chroma, the Dragon, effortlessly takes down level 200 enemies by breathing fire or even going AFK, letting the Dragon do the work. Inaros, the Immortal Warframe, effortlessly creates chaos, tearing through enemies in SP missions with his sand tornado. I can simply revive myself by locking myself in his coffin, waiting for it, and infinitely reviving myself. Mannn Are u concerned about Murmur Land? Worry not, as these frames will easily dominate the new faction. They truly belong in the S-Tier category. I love playing these frames; they make me feel comfortable. You lack mechanics and you guys have slow hands. They should be S-Tier.
He says later in the video just because a warframe is ranked low does not mean they are inherently “bad”, you can still do all forms of content with every frame and this is a personal subjective tier list lol
and people need to stop coping and saying just because their favourite frame can do any content they dont need rework any frame can do any content and level cap, but can you really sit here with straight face and say Oberons kit isnt dated as hell and in need of some serious number tweaks and QOL fixes
@@whitebwoino Because this mf putting c and d tier frames in a tier Banshee and frost are not in the same tier as citrine the god of expedite suffering and quadrilateral damage
He has 3000+ hours, he just doesn't like their playstyle. Trust me, he knows what he is talking about. Also, the list is subjective. If you get butthurt about it, then cry more.
People need to stfu about other's opinion. If someone says their opinion is SUBJECTIVE means that it's catered to their own experiences and their own tastes which most probably are completely different to yours. So you "haha" it, but don't thow hate, call the person's opinion wrong (cause even if "numbers" and "objectivity" say otherwise, those parameters won't include the owner's opinion) or invalidate the person's opinion. This is OP's opinion. Not set rules. Not carved in stone. Just a consideration based on it's own experiences, it's playstyle and fun factor. Jesuschrist people need to stop looking at their own bellybutton once in a while. 🤦🤦🤦
*EDIT* : Not going to lie, genuinely surprised at the amount of people of who are actually upset at this list. It's subjective, it's not that deep guys, relax. I gave my honest opinion. If this means taking the "L" this early into 2024 then I will but I'm not going to change my picks or take the video down. I like my picks and I gave a condensed reason to why they sit in their positions. Even if it's my list, I tried to be unbiased in some areas but mostly remained true to how I felt about them/their builds today.
Beneath, I wanted to elaborate the categories because we did a brief rundown of this on Stream but I wasn't as clear in this video:
*S* - Overpowered (In this day in age "WE" are overpowered. I can take the worst frame and still melt Steel Path with it. So, what does that prove? This is a touchy ranking and this will always be up for debate.
*A* - Meta Related Frames (These frames fall into this category because I play them more often than others due to their ability to be efficient for what "I" need. Therefore, they are ranked highly.
*B* - Great/Setup Frames (These frames EASILY could fall into A, but to me, they won't. Because I don't enjoy their style. I'm not the biggest fan of "setup" related builds like Ash' Bladestorm (example).
*C* - Good Frames (Nothing much to say here. I think there isn't much bad to say about the frame, but I either don't use them due to lack of efficiency or they lack in departments.
*D* - Bad/Rework Frames (Self explanatory. There are definitely some Warframe's that it's a tough pill to swallow, but I would like to see them in a better place. Nothing personal, raise blessings to lord Pablo.
Anyways, I hesitated on a video like this and you guys proved me right. I'll let it cook, thanks for the support from some and if you prefer me to do a different structure in the future let me know.
@newpoint4153 I feel if I could go back and redo this video before release I probably wouldn't freeball it as much as I did here. I don't believe my picks are unfair, if anything, a frame could rank one position higher or one position lower but that's mostly about it - Anyways, to the point - I should of showcased video footage on every build I spoke about. People need evidence these days otherwise they're quick to call you out. Regardless, it is what it is. If I ever muster the courage to do another one sometime perhaps I'll think twice about the structure. These lists are just drama fuelled lol. Not my style but I branched out of the comfort zone for once!
Enjoyed the video a bunch. I didn't agree with all of your rankings, but as you CLEARLY said at the beginning, the list was subjective. I enjoy hearing other takes on warframes I may have been sleeping on.
Ardy saw the comments from a mile away without checking the comment section 😭
You're reading too much into, man. If people have nothing else to do all day, then get upset over a subjective ranking video; they should probably re-assess themselves.
Your rankings were fine. If I agreed wholeheartedly with everything you said, then there'd be no point in ranking anything.
After re-visiting my old Trinity and tweaking her build with new mods, and adding an arcane I will say that she doesn't need a rework, or even a hot fix stat adjustment like I had initially thought. Her 1 is the only questionable ability that can be removed and not be missed. I kid you not, she is god tier indestructible with a half decent Link build.
Rest assured, this is not the first tier list where she was put lower on the scale when compared to Wisp and Citrine. Admittedly, it put a false pretense in my mind during my initial return. I ended up trying out the other supports and not thinking twice about dusting her off, or giving her a fair shot. I found my old Vampire build dull in comparison to what the newer supports had to offer.
Here is my brief break down. Wisp is fine. She does her job well, has decent CC, her buffs are nothing to scoff at. Base kit wise, Wisp is a home run. Her survivability is questionable when compared to Citrine and Trinity. I know people will argue differently. But when you have to stay moving/air borne for your survivability to work properly then it's more work to do what the others do naturally.
Citrine, she has a lot to offer a squad and is excellent at increasing and dealing damage with her crystal (3). Her defensive boost and auto HoT are solid. There seems to be an issue with her 4th and red crits not being as much damage as other crits for certain frame loadouts, so her 4th can sometimes inadvertently downplay others' damage numbers. With the right setup, she can be almost on par with Trinity in terms of survivability. Citrine feels a bit more spammy with her 1, but that is purely subjective.
Trinity, like I said, is virtually unkillable with a single button press and basic mods. You should Helminth out her 1, but it's not mandatory. She also deals extremely heavy damage to any unit, it's just not super flashy. Like someone said in my other comment(s), Trinity is the Harrow of the supports. She excels at solo play and is decent in a squad. She also has the heaviest healing and the most reliable energy management system out of all the other supports. She is still the tried and true OG and owns her space very well. She just fell victim to not being as flashy as the other newer kids on the block and unfortunately fell out of the spot light. I will swear by the fact that she is a sleeper type frame and worth investing time into if you are serious about being a support main.
In my mind, she should be A rank. But this is your tier list and not mine. And that's okay. I'd rather have the discussion and talk about what we like about these frames than bash someone else for having a valid point of view.
Don't make your opinion public then idk, shut the hell up and let us talk.
If your favorite frame ranks low on this list, just wear it as a badge of honor that you make can make them work.
Vauban 😢
pretty much all warframes (except inaros) are good. you can beat pretty much any content with any warframe (except inaros) if you build them right and play them well. All warframes (except inaros) deserve love.
Atlas prime
lol
@@johnsai4074 Why Inaros ?
the picks make sense to me just except nidus, I agree with the explanation of him being tanky, locking down a zone but in a category named "meta" he has no shot. He's just another survival mission specialist, very little flexibility: no speed and mobility, almost no weapon buffs, massive setup time...
I have a good amount of time on Warframe but probably not more than most, I started using nidus again and on pretty much any mission it takes me around 8 minutes to get to 30-50 stacks, by then I'm nearly unkillable and I've taken him into steel path as well. So I was just confused about the setup time, which yes he has more than most I guess but I feel like you can make your weapons in this game do millions of damage with mods anyway that will one shot anything, having a damage buff ability won't really change that lol.
even then he cant survive lol, after a certain point its just spamming to build stacks, loop of building and losing
A complementary note to observe, NoSympathyy doesn't really do melee, nor does he like to spend time on ability setup (Which means he puts some frames in B that in effect of what they can do would be A for many other people). This list is from my 3rd party perspective primarly oriented towards playing a shooter with abilities to complement.
I don’t like to melee and and I don’t like to set up abilities- oh he’s THAT guy in public matchmaking. Jesus Christ.
Thanks for another great video NoSympathyy. Dont let anyone bring you down. You are an amazing content creator and your opinions and feelings on the meta are always valuable and insightful. Not everyone plays the game the same way and not everyone enjoys the same things / playstyles....thats just life. You keep doing your thing and I will continue to be a supporter!
Reasonable, based on your criteria. You were very upfront that this was mostly your personal preferences and you spelled out what those were pretty clearly.
Thanks man, I think next time I do this I will construct it with a better basis, one that everyone accepts and understands fully throughout. Regardless, I enjoyed making this and look forward to a 2025 Tier List with definite changes (after new QoL, Augments, Builds etc)
Yeah the whole thing about Baruuk highlights the fact that you’re only looking at each frame with the “caveman go bonk” idea. There’s much more to a warframes kit than how fast they can kill. There’s also how efficiently they are at achieving an objective.
not upset or anything like that, but iron skin combined with the augments, the skill for transforming shields on armor, and arcane tanker to get even more armor, makes definitely easy to make the iron armor work on steel path. The problem is that you neeed to invest more to get the full potencial, but his iron skin and his roar still works wonders, roar being one of the best damage bufffs on the entire game.
Hydroid at minimum is A tier, no way in hell is banshee or frost better than hydroid
Yeah like he doesnt even need any setup, some energy economy maybe but aside from that you can run him pretty much without mods and he can do most content now with how much of self buffing enemy debuffing and CC he has going on
Hydroid is a fucking Monster
All facts ^
You do realise that the warframes are in alphabetical order right?
Also its his tier list. Just because you think something is good doesn't mean everyone should have to agree with you. He says its arguable, but he put Hydroid in B because it's not to his liking. He finds it boring.
Lowkey Loki (unintentional) is pretty good. I think he's high B tier. With Safeguard Switch and Rolling Guard he becomes infinitely immortal and can share it with teammates while also having one of the strongest CC's in the form of Radial Disarm, especially with his Irradiating Disarm augment.
His invisibility is also nice to just have an easier time with the game since it also gives you stealth damage multipliers. Funny enough though his invisibility is for some reason shorter than Octavia's.
Also there's a lot of cool things you can do with him like banishing a decoy to make a defense target literally never get shot. Underrated IMO, casual play god up there with Revenant.
I think it is very funny that when I started playing (right after the release of PoE) the first Warframe I bought was Inaros and at the time he was generally considered to be high A if not S tier because it was basically impossible to die with him. After 4-6 months of playing I started to main Titania who was absolutely D (lets be real F) tier who would frequently die from yeeting herself into a wall. And now after 5-6 years the ranking of those two warframes is completely inverted. Still main Titania so I'm cool with I just think it's interesting.
Rhino has to be the wildest placement. Once you get late game with your Molt Augmented and blue shards(armor) you're getting 25k overguard without even using his 1 augment.
Octavia B?!? she's got damn OP
No shes not
Shes easy and braindead, but shes been powercrept to hell and back
Yeah I don’t know what he was thinking with that. She’s still the most powerful frame in the game
That's the frame where you gotta dance to activate your abilities 💀 or I can just press one button and activate my ability, sorry but when I heard that's how she activates her abilities I genuinely laughed because I thought it was a joke.
@zeeksy6276 you don't though,you just activate her skills then go invisible...she's the only frame that can do level cap..unmodded.
That's how insane she is.
She's also insanely boring to play that way too.pop abilities,go invisible and watch enemies kill themselves basically.
Not sure if you've tried playing her in normal content, but actual killing frames leave her standing around useless. Nobody wants to take 30 minutes for the archon defense with 50 Chipper revives. She's great in survival and deimos open world but most places you're waiting forever for the game to play itself.
When it comes to loki
A dog replaces his 4.. if that doesnt feel like hes been powercrept idk what will to people
And ofc not bringing the Ash vs Loki comparison with invis and teleporting..
Wisp replaces his 123 with just her 2... my boi needs the rework
worst of all is, I like thinking of ideas for frame reworks but I can never figure out what to do with him that fits the theme properly
Not saying that he's A tier but I genuinely think he's fine as is. I don't think every character needs a nuking or damage buffing ability.
Repo Audit is REALLY inconsistent and also cannot scale off of modded power range as well as has a LOS requirement, also requires you to use the mod itself instead of Null Audit. Also not being able to use Irradiating Disarm is a minus.
@@nbassasin8092 Sort of but sort of not... Wisp's second ability does give invisibility and also a decoy with a tp but it's really not as good.
It's a 4 second ability as opposed to a 12 second invisibility ability which only grows in disparity when including modded duration.
Sometimes inconvenient to have a decoy not be placed in the direct location and accidentally taking damage.
The wisp is way too slow as well that you'll never really use it. Also Loki has Safeguard Switch which can give him invulnerability based on duration.
Khora I can understand not being S but Octavia? Octavia shouldn’t even be a question of good or bad. She is the most boring frame in the game but she still scales to level cap even without any mods whatsoever. If she isn’t overpowered idk what is. She does not require much prep. Just press 1, 3 and crouch a few times. She does not have good damage… she has infinitely scaling damage… she does not have survivability… she has borderline immortality.
TLDR: You put revenant in s because he’s immortal. Octavia is also immortal so why is she only A
Personally I wouldn't put Octavia in S because her killing is way too slow for normal content. Mesa, Saryn, Mag, etc will be wiping out enemies before Mallet gets a chance.
@@NeightrixPrime bro what? She DOES kill fast, she has infinitely scaling damage (up to 9999) she has relative immortality and she gets stronger the more enemies there are? If you use Octavia for an extermination mission that’s on you but even then with roller and mallet it’s viable, and for basically every other mission type she’s s tier, putting her in S is only appropriate
Rev being the only S teir just shows you don't know what tf you're talking about. This list is terrible😂
Revenant deserves the S spot and he has a fair reason which he stated
DE: I think we should turn things up to 11 😈
Next tennocon incarnon exalted weapons👹
Mag is pretty insane, NGL. Put Breach Surge in place of her 1 or 3, then mod to make her Crush a 100% armour strip. Bon appetite. I'm pairing her with an Adarza Kavat and Cedo (though Tenet Arca Plasmor is probably the best, Cedo just fits more with the fashionframe I have on mine) and the Magnetise bubble fills the screen with the amount of red crits produced. My personal build only has 55 power strength, and is using Fracturing Crush, Corrosive Projection and Molt Augmented to get me up to max armour strip. So it takes a little bit of wind up, which is fine in Survival, but I would honestly suggest giving her maximum armour strip from the get-go for general missions, and have the wind up build for Survival. She's flexible how you build her, and I would even say builds with other Helminthed abilities will be amazing.
Also, the fact that she's just an absolute shield gating queen PLUS the Magnetise bubble adding another layer of survivability, and little things like her passive sucking resources up from further away, making farming slightly easier, makes her an easy A-tier in my opinion. I can't say enough good things about her.
Exactly. Crazy where she is put in this tier list.
Vauban is slept on. Between the squad and containment field you can trivialize most things. Probably switch out his 3. His 2 is all about the lols.
I enjoy listening to your opinions and agree with them for the most part. I'll be subbing for more.
Btw, Mag is a powerhouse now. People usually subsume her 3, but I decided to subsume her 1. My approach with her was to change her into a shield support frame. I put Trinity's 1 in place of Pull for healing and to supercharge Mag's 4th. It works really well. With her I can emergency refresh my team's shields, overshield them, totally strip armor, and take down Eximus with no trouble.
Noooooo! Not my Trinity. She used to be my main WAY back. Citrine came in and completely replaced my Trinity for my number 1 support slot. It's so sad to see. Maybe if they gave Trinity a direct damage ability, mass armor strip, or hefty team buffs, she'd be back into her prime. I don't feel like number tweaks would really move Trinity into the A slot, maybe B.
Ps: Long tier lists are perfectly fine. I wish there were time stamps with links, but I watched the whole thing. So it's a double edged sword. Hopefully, you'll do another tier list at the end of 2024, beginning of 2025.
Trinity is better than people realize
Shes just in the same position as harrow where she's only able to work at full capacity in solo, Link is one of the best abilities in the game at 9k due to being a dps, armor strip, and discount mes skin all in one, along with the best shieldgate refresh in the game, and the best energy economy, helminth on roar or expedite suffering and its over
@V2ULTRAKill Trinity fell victim to age. Other support frames have come along that can do what she does and more. I don't view it as a negative thing either. I remember when Trinity was the only option for a true support and now we have a plethora of choices.
I won't dare say Trinity is weak. She remains one of my all time support frames and still has her old setup. I just think that a minor tweak here or there would bring her more on par with what the other supports bring to the table.
I have not considered helminthing her yet. My issue with that is all of her abilities are pretty useful. I'd say I'd helminth out Well, but that's a hard single target CC and a heal. Which ability would you replace? Unfortunately, I don't have access to the Suffering ability yet, as I only returned little over a month ago and haven't delved too deep into the helminth system. I think mine is sitting at rank 6, or so? I can not recall atm. Expedite Suffering would really fit well with her toolkit though.
@@azurearcade342 you replace well of life
Its objectively a bad ability and the only one she needs replaced or reworked
Shes also not a support anymore shes like harrow, shes a soloplay frame masquerading as a support
@V2ULTRAKill I take back what I said. You are correct. Trinity is much more a power house than Citrine by 10x fold. It just takes a bit more investment to get her to that point. I ended up trying out the Link build, but modded it according to my playstyle. I only have a maxed Arcane Blessing on her and another r1 (which is really inconsequential...).
I added the Silva & Aegis Prime to her loadout as a mandatory weapon. I put Avenging Truth + Guardian Derision on the weapon.
Using Link, she draws all the attention in 15m while blocking (sparing my teammates). Follow that up with the Helminth addition of Roar on her 1 slot. She is also running Archon Intensify (2 away from maxed, because I'm poor on Endo atm).
No shards on her, because my only shards are on my Citrine atm and I don't feel like changing my Citrine.
She absolutely demolishes anything that gets within range of Link and buffs her team to a greater extent than Citrine can, while also providing nearly impenetrable defenses to herself and the whole squad. Literally making the squad unkillable so long as they stay within range.
She's a world away from what she used to be back then. I recall her only viable build being the low duration vampire build way back. Now, it seems like she has more options for offensive fun.
I will be continuing to better her. I'd like to invest in 2x Umbra asap. I think 2x yellow shards with casting speed, a blue shard for energy, 2x red shard for ability strength would work nicely on her. As well as getting a full Molt Augmented added in. She'd be an absolute monster... It's a shame my resources are so limited since returning lol.
I think she is still the strongest (miss-identified as support) frame, and people forgot about her (like they seem to have forgotten about Nyx).
@@azurearcade342 ironically nyx is also a monster
Nyx however, has an issue where she doesnt shine against lower level enemies, but in endurance shes one of the best frames in the game
But yeah, trinity just needs a new 1, thanks to how good her augments are she ended up turning into a powerhouse, while also filling a different role from any other support both in teamplay, and solo play
As a beginner, excal was life, but getting the hands on mesa changed the game. After that it was Ash, i just love the assassin archetype, but today i enjoy a lot of kullervo or dante, infact dante has even surpassed my saryn in playtime, love the book boy.
atlas is S!! he can get into 500k damage with one punch, the range of his punches can be HUGE, it can wipe out entire hordes, and it can quadruple if you combo, *and* with augments, he can do his punches at no energy cost with some other benefits if at over 1400 armor with rubble
I'd like to see an update to this list now after Dante's release. Yareli deserves to be a lot higher now, at least a B tier. Mag should be A as well.
Revenant's 1 enthrall is just as awesome as mesmur skin
Pair it with his 3rd and u got a one shot killer which can kill 7 super high lvl enemies too , no problem
The huldryn thing was funny because my build with her stats on almost all the other "max" set ups on my other frames 😂
Do chapters in your videos so we can jump to the frames we wanna see quickly
I haven't watched the full video since I'm relatively new to the game but i agree with revenant being op . As a revenant main I've survived SP with really trash weapons just with his 1st, 2nd n 3rd ability and I'm talking like lvl 500+ enemies for someone who doesn't own nataruk or broken war , so u can guess my reason for it
Yareli slander will not be taken
Full armour strip on saryn with 2 emerald shards is god tier level you can literally fully strip armour just with spores so yea id say shes suitable for s tier but im happy to see even aft so long she atleast makes A tier
Voruna will always be S tier for me. She’s so versatile 🖤
I think you should do a video of every frame in the A category that you don't already have current videos of, all the meta frames would be nice to see.
Baruuk is literally A+ dude is insane
Mag is so underrated
I would say one of the better tier lists compared to many others, not perfect obviously, there are many frames I would adjust, but overall pretty decent. But one thing you should change is the naming of the tiers, a C grade can't be considered "good". The actual tiers should be (SS, S, A+, A, B C). Put revenant to SS tier if you want, take some frames from A tier to S tier and this list would be a lot better.
Reasonable feedback thank you. I have admitted that when I redo this list, I will adjust and make amends to state and clarify positions better and have a notepad or words showing (at all times) what each tier represents so people always have that understanding on-screen as a visual aid. Hopefully it'll be smoother to follow and more reasonable for my picks.
Honestly,not a horrid tier list
Which is a nice change of pace....trust me
If anything im glad someone somewhat appreciates lavos n caliban,still will disagree with yareli being above B or C tier,but it cant be helped
Overall not too bad
LOOL babe My oberon prime destroys star chart with 0 problems :)
Puts rhino in c for the same reason he put Rev in s..only having "one skill"
Mmk
Don’t understand why everyone hates Yareli lol her kit isn’t hard to use and I can one shot all enemies within range with her 4th anywhere on star chart and i don’t even have helmenth unlocked except heavy gunners,ancients, and eximus units but they can be sucked into the bubble and destroyed with aoe weapon and I don’t even have a lot of the best mods either I feel like people put her low just because of her k-drive ability lol which also basically makes her invincible
Ember nowadays is just too intense for what she does IMO. Her buttonmashing is pretty much Equi Terrify+Maim lvl with how she must manage her overheat. But where Terrify Equi deletes SP lvlcaps Ember doesn't.
why is revenant the only one in S tier like, i don't disagree just interested on what makes him that much better that he deserve a tier for himself basically
This vid made me a fan. Idk why it just did
Baruuk has QOL problems like Yareli. I don't see what the complexity about Yareli kit is. You zoom around and shoot things with a magnum type weapon.
bruh, base iron skin can literally face tank levelcap no problem. Just come up to a group of enemies rolling guard sit in place let them start shooting you, iron skin, sit still for 3 seconds and bam 20+mill overguard, use stomp augment to heal it to full every 20 seconds and your basically revenant with FULL roar AND nourish (making him literally the second most powerfull weapon buffer in the game for status weapons) AND the most usefull single CC ability in the game (stomp (cause it CC's all special enemies, not just trash))). idk why aim bussin out, this list is wierd af all around.
Got me there in the first half with Citrine
About Ivara, navigator is boring, use Artemis bow augment + eclipse and get the BIGGEST AOE bow in the entire game.
i hate ppls putting reve in S tier bc he can't die, i can make any warframe unkillable, and their abilitis can do something, bc reve 4 is just useless 1 ok but i hate it bc they just die, and his 3 yes y can nuke with it but y need a half hour set up/group meanwhile i just kill anything in a few sec. I do LVL cap so i know
Saryn didn't warcrime the entire map with one button press just to be put in A tier 😆
Jimmies was indeed rustled by the look of these comments 🤣
Chroma's 3 is still good ...there are actually a lot of outside sources of damage multipliers (all those other frames with maybe the exception of other tanks. Like rhino or revenant. Pretty much all of them can't stay off the ground. If I had a single plat for all the other Warframes I've picked up I could buy all the rivens in existence.
It's not that the 3 is bad, it's just not as good as any of the other damage buffs. Plus you have to take damage for you to deal damage, every other frame doesn't have that caveat
@@itsprettysurreal its not exactly hard to take damage in the game tho lol. other damage buffs like what eclipse? eclipse is not consistant and depends on lighting and you can either get dr or the damage not both. roar? it was nurfed to not be able to hit the same numbers as rhino. just use a bane mod. infact chroma's buff with a bane is way better then a damage mod like serration or condition overload with roar. even with every status effect under the sun you cant come close to chroma's buff.
bang on list besides saryn should be OP been reworked that many times and still the top/broken everytime
Yeah, Wisp where my main, then i played a bit octavia... yeah revenant is way easier and brainded
if you don't use half of these frames, what value does the list even have
That's like saying "You've done a tier list on breakfast Cereal but you don't really eat the bottom 10 boxes of cereal regularly after you tried them because you wasn't a fan, so what's the point in ranking them?" That's how you sound right now.
I want to use the frames - just due to my playstyle and due to the content and state of the game, I don't use them because of "x" reason. Which is stated. Per frame. Surely you didn't need me spelling that out.
Brotha. Could you make a new list since dante and new buffs/nerfs warframes got
Most than likely will make an updated video to this but change the rules and base it on builds and comparisons instead. But that will be a while before that comes out
People need to learn limbos kit better he is amazing
Yareli is clearly OP ;)
Still SP into 2024.
yareli mating press
Chroma's lore is that he's supposed to be the most powerful Warframe
Yareli is a negative feedback loop
imagine not remembering about breach surge new WF player. Personally I think Saryn esp with green shards is an easy S
Dagath being a B should be a warcrime, i went 4hrs in steel path lua conjunction just using her abilities
Thats....not a good metric
I hit 9k on steel path disruption with Yareli, that doesnt make her good
@@V2ULTRAKill i mean it kinda does, whats considered good for you then? Cuz i mean insta-killing everything is basically the whole point
@@ExoticFish12
Every warframe can reach level cap, the difference lies in the ease and comfort that you can do it and how efficient you are in achieving it. I tell you as Oberon player, I could play Citrine and do all the content full braindead, but for me, she is fucking boring. I prefer to play Oberon and not fall asleep at the keyboard.
@@grendelirl5426 fair i made another active build with her tho, i one tap hoards of enemies at once with my ceti lacera just using kullervos 1st with dagaths third (massive cc with massive cd at once) and its amazing
Mhmmmmmm My Boi, the undead,the undying and unrelenting, the unkillable Revenant on TOP and the Thumbnail!!!!!
Hot take: Revenant is just as bad as any other tank frame that has nothing else going for him, he just never gets the smoke because he is the best tank in terms of never dying
@@nbassasin8092 you either love him or hate him. It doesn't matter because he is the objective best at what he does and allows me to be a 2 braincell maggot while playing without any worries.
@@joshuathomasverghese1341 that is true, but you atleast acknowledge the double standard people have with him vs Inaros and other frames that have nothing else going for them except not dying
@@nbassasin8092 viral reave one shots
Limbo is a beast, he cooked but left the eggs raw
For me My mesa should be S tier. I invested umbra forma only to her.
enjoyable and informative video. Some of these comments are a bit thick. I respect nosympathy's opinion and i respect the comments additional views in the comments but stop attacking. It's a bloody tierlist 😂
Yeah, sorry, but this is a pretty bad tier list.
Just one example, you have loki as a D tier. He is a frame that can never die when using his augment mod, which basically is a 15 to 20 sec. rolling guard. I easily lvl cap with him. I would say low A to B tier.
Limbo- "cheese any new content" D-tier what?
If you require a cheese to do content then I don't think it's good content. And if the unbalanced state promotes the gimmick of cheese then I don't think it's good. It's okay to disagree with that, but that's my take on it. Limbo - as by design - will never be balanced and is seen to be used more often to cheese than anyone else. Imo, that's bad, so it goes to the bottom of my list.
Great video I like your honest opinions, as for some of the comments here.....wow talk about "throwing the dummy out of the pram" seriously some people need to chill 😂
I am shocked by so much, Seeing so many frames in A and B when most of that some should be in switched around. Saryn in A when she should be Top tier. Mag should be in A. Octavia should be in Top or at least in A. This is a very weird tier list. Eh everyone has their Opinion.. lol
They are all broken you just gotta mod them correctly
Chroma the credit farmer 😀
This list is satire right?🤣
Thats what im saying how is banshee higher than dagath, yea her silence and armor strip is great but its trash without the augments (cant armor strip without augment)
My dagath build was instakilling in sp with just her abilities for 4hrs is a lua conjunction survival, you can shield gate with brief respite, her 4th armour strips, her first and second slow and give damage reduction and her third basically doubles her fourths damage, she has built in equilibrium (i get literally 500 energy from one energy orb without arcane energize) and if you add another equilibrium it doubles her already great built in equilibrium. I dont see how banshee is higher, and with arcane blessing built into dagath she can survive for istg years just sitting there spamming abilities, imo if a frane can survive without weapons for hours in steel path then theyre either an S or an A
@@ExoticFish12 imo banshee is S-Tier.. but so are a lot of frames. NOT just Rev. XD
@@bassmekanik2000 yknow i cant even argue with your view point atleast you say rev isnt the only s tier and imo hes really not that great
HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T REALISE ITS IN APHABETICAL ORDER?
Has to be...
Wow this list is trash as soon as you put bashee above baruuk it became invalid
Would love a kullervo build
Sir i respect your opinions, tho they are objectively wrong.
He literally said the list is subjective multiple times and you say he is objectively wrong. LMAO
@@1995Milky1995 I mean its a tier list not a my favorite frames list so it can be judged objectively
Baruuk is A+
Fr his damage is literally insane and his near unkillable only issue is his restraint otherwise yeah
u are my new fav wf content creator, u ranked every frame exactly as i would (except for equinox, she is an s tier easily one of the frames with highest kpm with terrify). cheers!
bro couldnt put time stops... nice
A human being cannot stop time sorry to break it to you
What makes xaku a good loot frame?
The fact that his 4 breaks all crates in an obscene radius.
Who is tier S?? I’m new😅
revenant
Revenant is boring, this list is ass, most of those lists are, you can make most of the frames work, there's only a few who really arent good, otherwise it's more of it fits your playstyle, I for one absolutely adore Baruuk where as I just hate to play Revenant, his Kit is boring and he is a one Trick pony, now granted that Trick is good but that shlt gets boring real fast, also, he's just slow AF, as a Tank that's kinda expected but when you also literally main Gauss you cant just go back to these kinds of frames, my tip would be to get a Gauss, great kit, funny to play as and does good damage with his 3, his 4 is a perfect buff that also does dmg in combination with his 1, his 2 is defense and his 1 is being Flash, great frame
@@lp.shakur thank u x opinion bro, now I’m rm 14 🗿🗿🗿
I use inaros prime and hydroid prine for everything
Limbo, Lavos, and Vauban 😢
I’m glad I can make them work even though in your opinion you think they belong this low
What the actual fuck did i cast my eyes on
Baruuk is very easy to get going and is fcking broken, not shot you don't have him at OP or META.
he said that he is meta/OP but just not his style so he's lower. Because the list is subjective.
@@Treebertle Hmm... Understandable, I was watching this via background, so I might've missed that.
@@Treebertlehe also said restraint is hard to lose 💀 if you don't have baruuk in S or A Idek what to tell you 🧠💀
bro i'm just saying what he said. i have my own opinions and love baruuk. no need to be a lil pussy bc you got no bitches bro@@NHDanny
Citrine S tier
You’re delusional if you think Octavia is at B. And no im not bias, I don’t use her a lot.
Edit: Damn this whole tier list is ass
how in tf in any right mind would u out hyrdoid in b teir. He is f teir at best like wtf. I saw u put him in b and immidealty stopped watching the video cuz u clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
"He is f teir *at best* like wtf" + " _u_ clearly have no idea what you are talking about". Wild lmfao.
Citrine is my 👑
Shes my favorite frame. So much fun
Any advice on using her? I just came back to the game (played when plains came out and left around forutuna) and got her. I see the potential already. Right now I'm just waiting to get to rank 3 with the family so I can finish all of the nodes and start on steel path.
@@Luke973T if u don't have the helminth, u can still use all of her abilities since they work pretty well together. But if u do have helminth, u can replace her fourth with gloom (which I prefer)
I'm not a min/max player, but I do believe my build works pretty in high level steel path
For arcanes, I put arcane guardian, and arcane grace
Then the mods, I make sure I have the mod that gives u energy when ur health is damaged(rage)
Then I build for range and strength. U can spam abilities because u basically have infinite energy
It's a very chill play style. Just mowing down enemies slowly, but surely
D qnd C tiear are perfect, the rest is bulshit
Mag B and Ivara C: Sorry but its just a skill issue
I dont even like them that much but Ivara is B at worst while Mag is A at worst, people who put those 2 low just dont know how to play them (especially Ivara)
Nezha and Rhino at C: hot take, Revenant is the worst tank frame after Inaros, he is the best tank, but thats all he does, Rhino and Nezha are sufficient enough for everything in the game where you want tank, while simultaenously offering other useful things, and clear helminth slot for more useful things. Rev is just his 2 plus any helminth, works fine but nothing better than Chroma or Inaros, just a but more comfortable. Hell even zephyr offers enought tankines to be better while giving you other amazing things, Gauss as well, Kulervo and Frost and so on, any frame that has any tankinesthat is comfortable and practical up until like lvl 300SP is just better to use than Revenant
Edit: hydroid is just easy A after the rework, the amount of crap they sew into his kit, and the augment for his 1 make him a monster. Aaaand... wait for it... better tank than revenant for your Steel path up until like 1-2 hours into endurance
You forget that viral reave one shots more or less anything in the game and enthrall just boosts that one shot even higher. On top of that his new mesmer skin augment makes him the best support tank to have in your party making everyone invincible as long as the revenant pays attention to the right side of the screen. I will agree that quite a few other frames didn't receive proper ratings but saying that revenant is the 2nd worst tank is kinda delusional.
@@woljunihah654 Lack reading comprehension? I said Rev is the best TANK, but second worst tank frame, because as a frame he offers nothing except the tank aspect, but I literally said heis the best at that. learn to read
also the reave enthrall combo is niche at best, I can pull out same niche cases for 99% of the frames to make them look better but in reality you only use that for meme because weapons will always outdps that combo and be more comfortable to use
he is just a pole that you stick your gun to and that doesnt die, that doesnt make him bad, but it does make a good ways to see people like you and this guy in the video who have double standards when it comes to him vs any other tank frame that accomplishes near same tank results while giving you other things you can do as well
Got a blender build on mag, use blood altar on your magnetize target, so long as the initial target is alive magnetize will suck enemies in from outside
@@robertcartwright2236 I know that tech, but theres like 2-3 different mag buids, and like 100 different weapon/helminth synergies, she is just not the frame that rewards sitting on your ass the entire mission and thats why people put her lower than deserved
Hot Take: Nezha, Rhino, Chroma, and Inaros- All four should be S-Tier Frames. They excel in their respective roles, and I hope DE doesn't rework them since they're the overpowered Warframes in the game. I've extensively tested them in SP, Endurance Runs, and Level Cap missions. Nezha effortlessly burns through enemies, controlling and incinerating them as he moves. Rhino instills fear in over 9999 enemies with his ROAR, smashing, headbutting them and gaining millions of armor, trully unkillable. Chroma, the Dragon, effortlessly takes down level 200 enemies by breathing fire or even going AFK, letting the Dragon do the work. Inaros, the Immortal Warframe, effortlessly creates chaos, tearing through enemies in SP missions with his sand tornado. I can simply revive myself by locking myself in his coffin, waiting for it, and infinitely reviving myself.
Mannn Are u concerned about Murmur Land? Worry not, as these frames will easily dominate the new faction. They truly belong in the S-Tier category. I love playing these frames; they make me feel comfortable. You lack mechanics and you guys have slow hands. They should be S-Tier.
Make chroma great agin 😂
Doing every mission type, including 60 eyes, with Oberon Prime.
These tier lists need to stop.
He says later in the video just because a warframe is ranked low does not mean they are inherently “bad”, you can still do all forms of content with every frame and this is a personal subjective tier list lol
and people need to stop coping and saying just because their favourite frame can do any content they dont need rework
any frame can do any content and level cap, but can you really sit here with straight face and say Oberons kit isnt dated as hell and in need of some serious number tweaks and QOL fixes
We found the last remaining Oberon diehard boys
The worst tier list I’ve seen
why, cuz u primarily play a d rank frame and invest to make it work with 10x more effort than other frames?
@@whitebwoino
Because this mf putting c and d tier frames in a tier
Banshee and frost are not in the same tier as citrine the god of expedite suffering and quadrilateral damage
There should have been a additional tab for all the frames you clearly have no clue how to rank because you don‘t play them…
He has 3000+ hours, he just doesn't like their playstyle. Trust me, he knows what he is talking about. Also, the list is subjective. If you get butthurt about it, then cry more.
I disagree with this list everyone is s teir if you like them and figure out how to make them work :D
People need to stfu about other's opinion. If someone says their opinion is SUBJECTIVE means that it's catered to their own experiences and their own tastes which most probably are completely different to yours. So you "haha" it, but don't thow hate, call the person's opinion wrong (cause even if "numbers" and "objectivity" say otherwise, those parameters won't include the owner's opinion) or invalidate the person's opinion.
This is OP's opinion. Not set rules. Not carved in stone. Just a consideration based on it's own experiences, it's playstyle and fun factor.
Jesuschrist people need to stop looking at their own bellybutton once in a while. 🤦🤦🤦
Thanks to the comments I know not to watch this.
Valkyr at best is c tier she's terrible
Not really, she can survive anything in any content, she slept on, I can do any content with her alone
@@Sunny-gm5wpshe has one ability
Shes bad and needs a rework