Holy moly, I'd never expected Vinny playing Amiga games. Grew up on the Amiga 500 and what most blew me away was the amazing music that the system could produce, it just blew everything away.
I mean for 1985, the Amiga in every regard was absurdly powerful. IBM PC's wouldn't catch up until the early 90s thanks to id and the like, and consoles wouldn't even come close until the Sega CD and 32 bit systems. It really was the bleeding edge of its day, and probably the retro computer that fascinates me the most out of the general 80s-90s line up, even ahead of the MSX and NEC's PCs. ... I just wish it wasn't a NIGHTMARE to set up emulation for it. Like, no joke, Amiga emulation is the only system I ever just GAVE UP trying to emulate. Not only is it a pain in the ass to get going, but you need to sift through like 50 different cracks of a single game until you find one that actually works, and THEN deal with the disc-swapping, load times, System configuration, etc.
"come over my house i got Street Fighter 2!" after arriving, alarmingly, you notice that your friend is turning on a computer and NOT a video game console. you ask "thought you said you had street fighter?" much to your despair and dismay, your friend responds "yeah i got it here on my Amiga computer. Please Wait Triad!! ..."
I was the child that grew up with the Amiga and Commodore 64. It was pretty cool because you never knew what games were gonna be released for it and usually they were decent enough. They were my Dad’s systems but he let us play on them during our childhood in the 80’s and early 90’s. They set me on my path to be a life long gamer. Thanks Dad. 🙏
Vinny! The player 2 responding weirdly with a mouse is because what you're supposed to do is unplug the mouse and plug the second joystick into the second (mouse) port on a real Amiga. Moving a mouse around when the game is expecting a joystick to be plugged into that port will just cause it to spaz out.
"more accepting of load times" everything loaded directly off a 3.5" floppy disk. They had no choice. A 10mb hard drive was massive and massively expensive
For the record, there _were_ joysticks for the Amiga that could send two or three different button inputs. And of course, being a computer, single-player games could just use the keyboard where you had at least 89 keys at your disposal. But because Commodore continued using the nine-pin ports that had been common since the Atari 2600, most companies wanted to be accessible to people who just wanted to buy regular sticks.
Why did nobody think of using the joystick for movement and the keyboard for actions like jumping and attacking? I understand that might not work in multiplayer, but for singleplayer games like this it should have been fine. Although, considering the fact that a lot of modern games still have a shit fit if you try to use mouse + controller inputs, maybe the concept was just too 'out-there' at the time.
2 button sega master system controllers always worked well, Turrican II at least could use the 2nd button for what Space does to do the laser wall attack.
@@alfo2804 Because joysticks in those days typically didn't anchor themselves to the desk, so you'd need a third hand to hold them. And if the only solution to that is "get a better joystick" you might as well get one with more buttons instead.
@stevethepocket They absolutely did anchor themselves to the desk. The majority of them came with suction cups on the bottom. Or maybe they didn't in America and it was just a UK thing.
"-So Mister Naka about that game with the running hedgehog, we would like to know what his other capabilities are... -What do you mean? -I mean, he runs, OK, but what else does he do? -He jumps. -...and? -That's all. He runs, and he jumps. -...You realize that our system's gamepad has 3 available action buttons, right? -Yeah, just put jump on all of them."
@@na-ky8ou I mean, it works fine in sonic because you're moving on a 2D plane, so you run, jump, and press down and jump to spin-dash. Simple AND intuitive. Having a pseudo 3d environment where moving in any direction while pressing the singular button jumps, but still needing to turn to face enemies and attack with the same button... Yeah, Battletoads was made with the NES/Mega Drive in mind.
It feels surreal to see Vinny, who's mostly showcased Nintendo or various PC stuff (though there's more variety than just that), show some of the Amiga games that I grew up with and still love to play, including Turrican 2, my all-time favourite. There's definitely this divide between American and European consoles and games when it comes to the 90s. I don't know what to think or feel about this; I can only hope that it'll make people curious to try out the good games, as the best-case scenario.
As someone casually into retro-computers, the amiga did have some games that were amazing for their time both in terms of gameplay and visuals. These aren't them, but I promise they exist. Also, keyboard controls are probably better for some games even if they support joystick, since then not everything is mapped exclusively to 4 directions and 1 button.
@@wingdingdmetrius8025 Anything by Jeff Minter, Shadow of the beast, Alien Breed 3D 1 and 2, Worms, Turrican, Robocop... You have google right? Or does your knowledge of video games come exclusively from Vinny's uploads and their comment sections?
@@wingdingdmetrius8025Some others you might want to check out: Lemmings: A classic. It was ported to a million other systems, but it started on the Amiga. Defender of the Crown: The graphics of this game blew people's minds when it was released. When you look at this game, remember that it was released just a year after the NES. Leander: First game developed by Traveller's Tales, who later went on to develop the Lego movie games (Lego Star Wars, etc.) One of the developers made a RUclips video about how he used a trick with the Amiga's hardware to improve the graphics.
@@jimmyhirr5773 Defender of the crown LOOKS great and was a major system seller, but in terms of actual gameplay... eh? Also wanna note that the Amiga version of Robocop is basically a perfect port of the already awesome Data East Arcade game, but that the ZX Spectrum and Game Boy versions by probe are also ABSOLUTELY worth checking out, and are considered absolute classics in Britain. And having played them as an American rightfully so. The sequels on Spectrum and Amiga are also worth a look, though Robocop 3 is like a weird FPS railshooter thing.
@@mostverticalproductions4808Would probably be easier to play the version bundled with chronicles. Als, I hope you're being serious, because I fuckin love that version of CV1.
Wow, the games that weren't arcade ports look sooo much better next to the ones that were. The Castlevania port in particular looks like a horrorshow. Also, Chris Hülsbeck seems to have taken lots of inspiration from Ys III when composing for Jim Power.
I'm SO glad you gave Turrican a shot, introducing so many people to such a magnificent series! There's modern console ports that make the controls so much better by giving EVERYTHING a dedicated button, which wound up turning The Final Fight into genuinely one of my favorite games ever
IIRC there are Amiga games (and retro pre-gravis/3rd-party-controller PC games in general) that support multiple inputs if you use keyboard rather than Joystick. But yeah, even if I can adjust to it, I'll never understand why there were PC joysticks that had multiple buttons that all do the same thing. 2 for the same of adjusting to players' handedness I get, but some have like 4-5 that all do the exact same thing.
The Turrican 1-2 play surprisingly well if you map the controls to so that UP direction is bound to a button and you map the space key to a separate button. Also a quality of life improvement is to have a dedicated auto-fire button as pressing the shoot button down is also utilized for the beam which can be aimed. The joystick situation was mostly because of the backwards compatibility with the Commodore 64 joysticks (and also many other computers of the time) so one button was the practically working common denominator between all of these controllers.
As someone who grew up with C64 and Amiga 500 it's always nice to see coverage even of the not so great parts of these computers. The port situation in Amiga was problematic as many game studios were doing the minimal effort to cover both Atari ST and Amiga which shared the base processor and had common functionality. Unfortunately the Atari ST did not have 2D hardware acceleration chips and the sound chip was also more comparable to the 8-bit machines (though the ST had a native midi port) and that's why there are many ports which lower the quality to target effortlessly both platforms. Unfortunately most of such games barely used the Amiga hardware which would be comparable today rendering on everything on CPU without GPU. If I recall right the joysticks were compatible between C64 and Amiga but the downside was that the button support was rather muddy. Most games just use only a single button in combination with keyboard which makes many games harder to approach without prior knowledge. (for example in Turrican 2 you need to combine directions with keyboard key presses to activate the morph ball feature: hold down and press space). One can mitigate that in emulators by binding keyboard keys and up direction to buttons which makes instantly many of these action oriented games play much more like modern games in terms of controls. Sadly it requires a time and effort to get things running like that. Another thing which requires effort is that these games are running in 50Hz PAL mode which looks like stuttering crap in 60Hz videoplayback. Fortunately modern displays with VRR can achieve the smooth 50Hz rendering as intended which makes the output smoothness more closer to the original CRT output. Also the audio output is hard panned between the 4 hardware channels and it was mostly mixed to mono or close stereo speakers so it's recommended to narrow down stereo mixing to around 30% to get more faithful rendition of the audio.
so for the record, amiga sound channels are separated because the Amiga didn't support channel mixing. it was fine if you were playing from a television (as most had mono sound at that point which did the mixing automatically) but wearing a headset was pain
Reminds me of listening to old CCR or Beatles albums, where sounds are just hard-panned and its awful... and they STILL haven't fixed it in rereleases.
@@neo1711I mean, stereo isn't just a headphone issue. Most soundmixing has been done in stereo since the 70s. It's just that the amiga output through built in speakers unless you bought external ones, which was mainly only done by people who explicitly got it for music/multimedia purposes. And even then, the ST was much more popular for composers than the Amiga, so that was rare. So the Amiga got away with mono-compositions on some games.
Virocop: You're an antivirus robot going onto holodecks to kill the viruses. You can use two joysticks to shoot in any direction with one, while moving with the other.
@@BerserkerKong02 I was gonna say that's also an amiga game. I would personally love to see binyot play some more of Jeff Minter's British ungulate insanity. He played Attack of the Mutant Cammels once on some DOS showcase, but I dont think anyone bothered to tell him it was made by the dude that did Tempest 2000 and the "remake" of Polybius. Given how into psychedelic and weird crap he is, I'm surprised he hasn't played more of his games. Hopefully he gives the collection Digital Eclipse is making a look.
@@warbossgegguz679Speaking of Amiga games Vinny should've played but didn't - Gauntlet III and Ghouls 'n Ghosts... Just for Tim Follin's mad, bangin' MOD-prog tracks
You're implying Gen Z knows about an obscure australian experimental rock band more than they do a Hit Sega arcade game that's been rereleased on every system under the sun for like 20 years... Speaking as a zoomer, vinny is literally the only reason I've even heard of king gizzard.
@@warbossgegguz679 Not really obscure, especially these days. Pre-Rat's Nest Gizzard flew under many metalheads' radars, so I can see why it was obscure to you, also HARD doubt on the Zoomer claim considering your playlists are mostly just Pantera related.
Honestly as a gen z because I was born in 99 I grew up playing the classics and respected what we had nowadays I’ve stepped away from video games as they have lost my interest in playing.
@@hispanerd880 I'm 25 (a zoomer) and I like glam and groove metal. Sue me. I played Altered Beast on 3DS and emulators when I was like a tween though. Also, really fuckin weird to "validate" my age by creeping on my channel... I don't think most Gen-Xers, boomers, or really any normal person knows about Pantera's first 4 albums though. That's kind of the whole reason I did what I did. Your entire argument is on the basis that young people cant like old shit, when I would say 80s/90s nostalgia is HUGE with zoomers for some reason. Like, sometimes to an annoying extent.
You know what would be an interesting subversion of expectations for a Port Hole? Arcade home ports better than the arcade version. Would love to compile them with some specifics since it would gaslight Vinny into playing Mars Matrix.
The Amiga is a legendary machine it was a lot more popular in the UK and Europe. I had the A500 and A1200 back in the early 90s. I do have the A500 mini which came out a couple of years ago.
I find it funny Vinny finally tries out some Amiga while I've been going through a huge amiga kick. I've been developing a AMOS basic game recently because of it.
37:28 "NYEAH, YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER BUTTON ON THIS HERE JOYSTICK?" "WHAT? NO. PROBABLY NOT. WE JUST NEED ONE. JUST THE ONE IS GOOD" "NYEAH ALRIGHT YEA WE'LL GET THE ONE IN THERE. MM HMM"
The reason is because the PC joysticks they're based on are still the ones from the C64/Atari age. Despite how it looks, the Amiga came out in *1985,* so its contemporary to the NES, 2600, and 7800, not the SNES or Mega Drive. Also, most games on the amiga and ST use multiple keys if you play with keyboard, but are simplified if you use a joystick. So you're honestly better off just using joy2key on some games if using keyboard bothers you.
I remember having to play the TMNT port without using any of the sub-items, because I got the game before I learned how to read and couldn't get a look at the manual to find out the rest of the controls were on the keyboard.
Chaos Engine, Zool and Gods - fucking awesome games. Didn't know the Amiga version of Gods had no music though. Play the Mega Drive/Genesis version, it's awesome. Of course looking at how Vinny played it, maybe it's not for him lol
Isn't GODS like, crazy obtuse? DEFINITELY not a game for Vinny lol. Into The Wonderful is a banger intro track, and the Genesis/MD version of it is quite a nice arrangement too. Never listened to the in-game track(s) though!
I can understand the Amiga being out of its depth for the likes of Street Fighter 2, but ports of NES games and typical 80s arcade games shouldn't have been so hard in terms of graphics and performance. The Ghosts n' Goblins port is an example of a rock-solid conversion, easily smoking the NES version by being more in-line with the arcade version.
TMNT sucks because the NES version sucks, and there's no good version of that game to work from, unlike Ghosts 'N Goblins. Konami were clearly on as low of a budget as possible, so they probably got an inexperienced team to do the job and almost definitely did not give them enough time to do it.
@@alfo2804 I kept saying this during the stream. If it was a shitty port of TMNT Arcade or Turtles in Time I'd get it, but the NES TMNT is already shit, so the Amiga version is like shit with sprinkles on top It looks prettier, but that's it.
I've tried to use both WinUAE and FS-UAE, gave up on both, and just decided to stick to ST, Spectrum, and MSX emulation until someone pulls a Duckstation and makes it less miserable to deal with. Thank god for the GZDoom remake of Alien Breed 3D so I can at least play that. I am not new to emulation, I have retroarch for Picodrive, MAME, Prosystem, Handy, and some stray Mednafen cores, Mednafen w/ a front end for Saturn specifically, Ares for high ULTRA accuracy shit, and standalones of mGBA, Mesen2, RMG, Stella, Dolphin, PCSX2, Duckstation, ReDream, Hatari, Dosbox, BGB, PPSSPP, blueMSX, RPCS3, Xenia, AND Vita 3K, and the only reason I dont have any DS or 3DS stuff is because I jailbroke my N3DS just so I could avoid having to deal with using a mouse for a touchscreen, lack of DSi support, etc. which I also use to emulate Intelevison and Colecovison specifically so I have some facsimile of a keypad. ... So when I say something is so finicky, asinine, temperamental and tedious to emulate that I just gave up on it and said "I'll wait till shit's better", it's saying *A LOT.* And that sucks because I REALLY wanna play Alien Breed 3D 2. Team 17, PLZ port the fucking thing! I dont wanna have to wait another 7 years for a "Project Osiris 2" to happen. You're friends with Night Dive and 3DRealms, make it happen!
1:27:27 Bottom left joystick. I had that as a kid for my Atari 130XE (games loaded from cassette tapes, good times!) It's called the SuperCharger. It was honestly really solidly built. Survived a few years of extremely intense gaming. I don't have it anymore because at some point it broke, but I do have another one though not pictured here, the Scorpion (it had either a "standing" or "handheld" playing mode). Never had an amiga tho but my older brother's friend did. Man were we jealous. EDIT: 1:27:34 the joystick on top, I don't remember its name but I have that one still but for pc. Sadly can't really connect it because it demanded the sound card's game port. I never bothered buying a USB converter for a newer pc tho.
😂 🐢 I remember being at a computer store and playing Ninja Turtles on the Amiga and the salesman kept getting pissed at me because every time you go in and out of the sewers you need to switch the 💾 and it takes forever to load 😂 So, yeah it takes a super long time to load anytime you ever do anything in the game and have to switch the disk every time.
_allegedly_ Global Gladiators was, In Fact, composed by Tallarico, at least the Genesis version. But the music in this version seems to use the same voice clips that sound just like him so... who knows.
Shocked that someone made a pack of Amiga games and didn't include Lemmings. How did they miss what is probably the most famous game to come out on the Amiga?
WinUAE is somewhat hard to setup to work well between different games (port swapping etc). I wanted to avoid fumbling around with settings so I kept things simple to use. He already played lemmings hence why it wasn't included.
Futuristic sports and futuristic racing are two of my fave subgenres of futurism/sci-fi. Both versions of Rollerball are among my fave movies, though the remake is simultaneously one of the worst films I've ever seen while also one of my fave films. I recommend the enjoyable-cheesy made-for-TV movie Futuresport for a better Rollerball remake, which stars Dean Cain (before he became a right-wing grifter), Vanessa Williams, and Wesley Snipes (somehow) and actually takes place a year from now! For racing it's a big catalogue most famously including Wipeout. I've always found myself oddly attracted to the LEGO Drome Racers line, even though I haven't built a LEGO set in years or played the line's tie-in game (which I'll get to).
Yes! They started out as a cracker group, moved on to demos and then to proper game development late-ish in the Amiga's lifespan - they made the best pinball games/sims of the 16-bit generation, all Amiga originals :)
@@thestripedmenace Yeah, I know about the pinball games -- but only the SNES versions, didn't know they were on Amiga Never knew that they had such a diverse history with the Amiga, but with a name like "Digital Illusions" it makes complete sense
During the Zool ending, take a closer look at the small creature he bumps into while meeting his family That's a feralized Sonic Zool was apparently meant to be some kind of rival to Sonic
So about that impossible jump chat and vinny discussed about tmnt. it is present in the nes original and is doable, but there's enemies on the other side that'll try to knock you off. so its bullshit hard to pull off properly.
Yep, but the Amiga version's one is literally impossible. The gap between the two platforms is longer than your jump, and the ceiling is too low for you to be able to jump at your highest.
Some classics here, I feel very old - thanks for the archive. Walker should be on next amiga pack for Vinny, the environments are supposed to be based on Akira and the first enemies are Nazis so
@@seandc6629If twitch has a scummy and overly sensitive interpretation of copyright law, why not. Anything is possible when you realize twitch is worse than even youtube lmao
Holy shit apparently Jimpower Mutant Planet game stole the song Searing Struggle from Ys 3, Specifically SNES version because of the intro at the start which is like the worst version of it.
Zool had music you had to press space bar in the title screen to bring up the options then you select what music track. No idea why they did this as default!!
If game is based on floppy disk and not installed on hdd huge loading times pretty much normal thing there. One button for attacking and jumping was due to joysticks for Amiga had one button. Even if some models had two or more buttons every other button acted same. For beatemups its "very good" choice of controls. Speaking of original bad Amiga games I can suggest "Adventures of Quik and Silva". First level will show you how bad it is. Or Sword of Sodan, which is bad even on Sega Genesis. If there will be NES porthole I can suggest Conan - The Mysteries of Time.
Were there multiple _Castlevania_ ports for the Amiga? I found a website that has MP3s of all the games' music and the Amiga one has a cover of "Vampire Killer". Did they just move it to a different level?
Maybe... By the looks of it Vinny played mostly NTSC games on this segment, and as you probably know the Amiga had a waaaayyyyyyy bigger market in PAL regions, with many games having different or changed ports for each region/standard
Amiga games could be quite good when built for the hardware, but Amiga PORTS? Never. The system was powerful for its day, but... you could only do so much with floppies.
Even with the better amiga games there is really only one way to play them and that is with an actual digital joystick. The only games that are playable without it are those that use mouse and keybord.
@@AfterBurnerTeirusu oh I know, it gets into like house-industrial later, but Rock n Zool and Rave are what's burned into my brain when I think of this game. The entire OST goes hard AF though. Also, just wanna say a game having a soundtrack made up of speed metal and rave music is the most "90s Britain" musical decision possible. Not complaining in the slightest, just kind of funny.
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Holy moly, I'd never expected Vinny playing Amiga games. Grew up on the Amiga 500 and what most blew me away was the amazing music that the system could produce, it just blew everything away.
I mean for 1985, the Amiga in every regard was absurdly powerful. IBM PC's wouldn't catch up until the early 90s thanks to id and the like, and consoles wouldn't even come close until the Sega CD and 32 bit systems. It really was the bleeding edge of its day, and probably the retro computer that fascinates me the most out of the general 80s-90s line up, even ahead of the MSX and NEC's PCs.
... I just wish it wasn't a NIGHTMARE to set up emulation for it.
Like, no joke, Amiga emulation is the only system I ever just GAVE UP trying to emulate. Not only is it a pain in the ass to get going, but you need to sift through like 50 different cracks of a single game until you find one that actually works, and THEN deal with the disc-swapping, load times, System configuration, etc.
Everything about the Amiga sucked ass, especially the music!
@@gamephreak5no it didn't come on now u being silly
How could you not expect it? You new here?
Amiga and Atari sucked ass
"come over my house i got Street Fighter 2!"
after arriving, alarmingly, you notice that your friend is turning on a computer and NOT a video game console. you ask "thought you said you had street fighter?"
much to your despair and dismay, your friend responds
"yeah i got it here on my Amiga computer. Please Wait Triad!! ..."
When he invites you over to SF2 and chill, but he doesn't have a game console 😐
At least it's not Human Killing Machine?
[tenting fingers menacingly] "oh, you'll see"
@@warbossgegguz679 could be worse i had that on the zx spectrum ! in black and white
Song at the start is the Intro theme to Cannon Fodder for the Amiga if anyone's curious.
I was the child that grew up with the Amiga and Commodore 64. It was pretty cool because you never knew what games were gonna be released for it and usually they were decent enough. They were my Dad’s systems but he let us play on them during our childhood in the 80’s and early 90’s. They set me on my path to be a life long gamer. Thanks Dad. 🙏
Vinny should really check out some Amiga Demoscene demos
Thank you Tommy Tallarico for working hard on this video's sound design with maybe Vinny's help. Your mother is very proud.
Vinny! The player 2 responding weirdly with a mouse is because what you're supposed to do is unplug the mouse and plug the second joystick into the second (mouse) port on a real Amiga. Moving a mouse around when the game is expecting a joystick to be plugged into that port will just cause it to spaz out.
"more accepting of load times" everything loaded directly off a 3.5" floppy disk. They had no choice. A 10mb hard drive was massive and massively expensive
For the record, there _were_ joysticks for the Amiga that could send two or three different button inputs. And of course, being a computer, single-player games could just use the keyboard where you had at least 89 keys at your disposal. But because Commodore continued using the nine-pin ports that had been common since the Atari 2600, most companies wanted to be accessible to people who just wanted to buy regular sticks.
Why did nobody think of using the joystick for movement and the keyboard for actions like jumping and attacking? I understand that might not work in multiplayer, but for singleplayer games like this it should have been fine.
Although, considering the fact that a lot of modern games still have a shit fit if you try to use mouse + controller inputs, maybe the concept was just too 'out-there' at the time.
2 button sega master system controllers always worked well, Turrican II at least could use the 2nd button for what Space does to do the laser wall attack.
@@alfo2804 Because joysticks in those days typically didn't anchor themselves to the desk, so you'd need a third hand to hold them. And if the only solution to that is "get a better joystick" you might as well get one with more buttons instead.
@stevethepocket They absolutely did anchor themselves to the desk. The majority of them came with suction cups on the bottom. Or maybe they didn't in America and it was just a UK thing.
The Battletoads port plays like a Yuji Naka game: one button for everything.
"-So Mister Naka about that game with the running hedgehog, we would like to know what his other capabilities are...
-What do you mean?
-I mean, he runs, OK, but what else does he do?
-He jumps.
-...and?
-That's all. He runs, and he jumps.
-...You realize that our system's gamepad has 3 available action buttons, right?
-Yeah, just put jump on all of them."
@@na-ky8ou I mean, it works fine in sonic because you're moving on a 2D plane, so you run, jump, and press down and jump to spin-dash. Simple AND intuitive.
Having a pseudo 3d environment where moving in any direction while pressing the singular button jumps, but still needing to turn to face enemies and attack with the same button... Yeah, Battletoads was made with the NES/Mega Drive in mind.
That's pretty much every Amiga game because the joystick ports were designed for Atari controllers.
@@na-ky8ou What the fuck else would he do? Use a machinegun?
@@cookieface80 ...punch/kick?
It feels surreal to see Vinny, who's mostly showcased Nintendo or various PC stuff (though there's more variety than just that), show some of the Amiga games that I grew up with and still love to play, including Turrican 2, my all-time favourite.
There's definitely this divide between American and European consoles and games when it comes to the 90s.
I don't know what to think or feel about this; I can only hope that it'll make people curious to try out the good games, as the best-case scenario.
As someone casually into retro-computers, the amiga did have some games that were amazing for their time both in terms of gameplay and visuals.
These aren't them, but I promise they exist.
Also, keyboard controls are probably better for some games even if they support joystick, since then not everything is mapped exclusively to 4 directions and 1 button.
~doesn't name any titles~
@@wingdingdmetrius8025 Anything by Jeff Minter, Shadow of the beast, Alien Breed 3D 1 and 2, Worms, Turrican, Robocop...
You have google right? Or does your knowledge of video games come exclusively from Vinny's uploads and their comment sections?
@@warbossgegguz679 nope that was good ty
@@wingdingdmetrius8025Some others you might want to check out:
Lemmings: A classic. It was ported to a million other systems, but it started on the Amiga.
Defender of the Crown: The graphics of this game blew people's minds when it was released. When you look at this game, remember that it was released just a year after the NES.
Leander: First game developed by Traveller's Tales, who later went on to develop the Lego movie games (Lego Star Wars, etc.) One of the developers made a RUclips video about how he used a trick with the Amiga's hardware to improve the graphics.
@@jimmyhirr5773 Defender of the crown LOOKS great and was a major system seller, but in terms of actual gameplay... eh?
Also wanna note that the Amiga version of Robocop is basically a perfect port of the already awesome Data East Arcade game, but that the ZX Spectrum and Game Boy versions by probe are also ABSOLUTELY worth checking out, and are considered absolute classics in Britain. And having played them as an American rightfully so.
The sequels on Spectrum and Amiga are also worth a look, though Robocop 3 is like a weird FPS railshooter thing.
Finally. 7 months later.
*The Amiga video.*
Ryu's theme in the Amiga port sounds like those legally distinct covers of songs and themes.
Many of these games have exceptional music at the very least, like Turrican.
Finally, he plays the best castlevania.
And off the heels from the randomizer that gave us Piss Throne too
What a bit.
I don’t think he played Castlevania 64 in this stream.
He didn't play Akumajo Dracula X68000 though.
@@mostverticalproductions4808Would probably be easier to play the version bundled with chronicles.
Als, I hope you're being serious, because I fuckin love that version of CV1.
Wow, the games that weren't arcade ports look sooo much better next to the ones that were. The Castlevania port in particular looks like a horrorshow. Also, Chris Hülsbeck seems to have taken lots of inspiration from Ys III when composing for Jim Power.
I'm SO glad you gave Turrican a shot, introducing so many people to such a magnificent series! There's modern console ports that make the controls so much better by giving EVERYTHING a dedicated button, which wound up turning The Final Fight into genuinely one of my favorite games ever
IIRC there are Amiga games (and retro pre-gravis/3rd-party-controller PC games in general) that support multiple inputs if you use keyboard rather than Joystick.
But yeah, even if I can adjust to it, I'll never understand why there were PC joysticks that had multiple buttons that all do the same thing. 2 for the same of adjusting to players' handedness I get, but some have like 4-5 that all do the exact same thing.
The Turrican 1-2 play surprisingly well if you map the controls to so that UP direction is bound to a button and you map the space key to a separate button. Also a quality of life improvement is to have a dedicated auto-fire button as pressing the shoot button down is also utilized for the beam which can be aimed.
The joystick situation was mostly because of the backwards compatibility with the Commodore 64 joysticks (and also many other computers of the time) so one button was the practically working common denominator between all of these controllers.
Man, bitmap brothers had such great pixel art, always.
I love and still enjoy Gods
As someone who grew up with C64 and Amiga 500 it's always nice to see coverage even of the not so great parts of these computers. The port situation in Amiga was problematic as many game studios were doing the minimal effort to cover both Atari ST and Amiga which shared the base processor and had common functionality.
Unfortunately the Atari ST did not have 2D hardware acceleration chips and the sound chip was also more comparable to the 8-bit machines (though the ST had a native midi port) and that's why there are many ports which lower the quality to target effortlessly both platforms. Unfortunately most of such games barely used the Amiga hardware which would be comparable today rendering on everything on CPU without GPU.
If I recall right the joysticks were compatible between C64 and Amiga but the downside was that the button support was rather muddy. Most games just use only a single button in combination with keyboard which makes many games harder to approach without prior knowledge. (for example in Turrican 2 you need to combine directions with keyboard key presses to activate the morph ball feature: hold down and press space). One can mitigate that in emulators by binding keyboard keys and up direction to buttons which makes instantly many of these action oriented games play much more like modern games in terms of controls. Sadly it requires a time and effort to get things running like that.
Another thing which requires effort is that these games are running in 50Hz PAL mode which looks like stuttering crap in 60Hz videoplayback. Fortunately modern displays with VRR can achieve the smooth 50Hz rendering as intended which makes the output smoothness more closer to the original CRT output.
Also the audio output is hard panned between the 4 hardware channels and it was mostly mixed to mono or close stereo speakers so it's recommended to narrow down stereo mixing to around 30% to get more faithful rendition of the audio.
Funny anthropomorphic internet skunk operating system™
I know the reference!
We don't mention Sabrina around these parts,
Amiga Non-cracked Dump Challenge (Difficulty: Impossible)
34:48 If someone removes the teeth from Moth Dracula, it looks like he's doing the *pog* emote.
Count Pogula
so for the record, amiga sound channels are separated because the Amiga didn't support channel mixing. it was fine if you were playing from a television (as most had mono sound at that point which did the mixing automatically) but wearing a headset was pain
Reminds me of listening to old CCR or Beatles albums, where sounds are just hard-panned and its awful... and they STILL haven't fixed it in rereleases.
@@warbossgegguz679ah the good ol days when the audio engineers didn't have consider listening to things with headphones
@@neo1711I mean, stereo isn't just a headphone issue. Most soundmixing has been done in stereo since the 70s.
It's just that the amiga output through built in speakers unless you bought external ones, which was mainly only done by people who explicitly got it for music/multimedia purposes.
And even then, the ST was much more popular for composers than the Amiga, so that was rare. So the Amiga got away with mono-compositions on some games.
Virocop: You're an antivirus robot going onto holodecks to kill the viruses. You can use two joysticks to shoot in any direction with one, while moving with the other.
Me, casually pulling the progress bar around
Vinny: unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately we.. unfortunately
The song at the beginning is from Cannon Fodder. Which Vinny has played before in a Game Boy Color port
The DOS/Amiga version is one of the best ways to play it. The DOS version is on GOG. Cannon Fodder is one of my favorite RTS games.
@@BerserkerKong02 I was gonna say that's also an amiga game.
I would personally love to see binyot play some more of Jeff Minter's British ungulate insanity. He played Attack of the Mutant Cammels once on some DOS showcase, but I dont think anyone bothered to tell him it was made by the dude that did Tempest 2000 and the "remake" of Polybius.
Given how into psychedelic and weird crap he is, I'm surprised he hasn't played more of his games. Hopefully he gives the collection Digital Eclipse is making a look.
@@warbossgegguz679Speaking of Amiga games Vinny should've played but didn't - Gauntlet III and Ghouls 'n Ghosts... Just for Tim Follin's mad, bangin' MOD-prog tracks
Wanna feel old? Gen Z will probably grow up knowing Altered Beast as the King Gizzard tracks rather than the video game
You're implying Gen Z knows about an obscure australian experimental rock band more than they do a Hit Sega arcade game that's been rereleased on every system under the sun for like 20 years...
Speaking as a zoomer, vinny is literally the only reason I've even heard of king gizzard.
@@warbossgegguz679
Not really obscure, especially these days. Pre-Rat's Nest Gizzard flew under many metalheads' radars, so I can see why it was obscure to you, also HARD doubt on the Zoomer claim considering your playlists are mostly just Pantera related.
Honestly as a gen z because I was born in 99 I grew up playing the classics and respected what we had nowadays I’ve stepped away from video games as they have lost my interest in playing.
@@hispanerd880 I'm 25 (a zoomer) and I like glam and groove metal. Sue me.
I played Altered Beast on 3DS and emulators when I was like a tween though.
Also, really fuckin weird to "validate" my age by creeping on my channel... I don't think most Gen-Xers, boomers, or really any normal person knows about Pantera's first 4 albums though. That's kind of the whole reason I did what I did.
Your entire argument is on the basis that young people cant like old shit, when I would say 80s/90s nostalgia is HUGE with zoomers for some reason. Like, sometimes to an annoying extent.
@@GhostedSn1p3z sounds like a skill issue tbh.
You know what would be an interesting subversion of expectations for a Port Hole? Arcade home ports better than the arcade version. Would love to compile them with some specifics since it would gaslight Vinny into playing Mars Matrix.
Go for it. I think it would make for good Sunday content.
@@nikomiyozo8671I'm refining my Jamma Ramma pack with DragonGun, TH Strikes Back, Muchi Muchi Pork and Outfoxies so after that I'll do that one.
I'm pretty sure vin already streamed contra
I'm all for this, just for the sheer idea of having Vinny play Mars Matrix.
@mostverticalproductions4808
Oh god, I'd love to see Vinny react to Muchi Muchi Pork. Especially judging from his Mario Wonder streams.
The amiga can do some slammin tunes with it's sound hardware
Gotta do zx spectrum for the next one. Theres some surprisingly decent ones, and some really impressive homebrew ports too, including castlevania.
The Amiga is a legendary machine it was a lot more popular in the UK and Europe. I had the A500 and A1200 back in the early 90s. I do have the A500 mini which came out a couple of years ago.
I find it funny Vinny finally tries out some Amiga while I've been going through a huge amiga kick. I've been developing a AMOS basic game recently because of it.
37:28 "NYEAH, YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER BUTTON ON THIS HERE JOYSTICK?"
"WHAT? NO. PROBABLY NOT. WE JUST NEED ONE. JUST THE ONE IS GOOD"
"NYEAH ALRIGHT YEA WE'LL GET THE ONE IN THERE. MM HMM"
The reason is because the PC joysticks they're based on are still the ones from the C64/Atari age.
Despite how it looks, the Amiga came out in *1985,* so its contemporary to the NES, 2600, and 7800, not the SNES or Mega Drive.
Also, most games on the amiga and ST use multiple keys if you play with keyboard, but are simplified if you use a joystick. So you're honestly better off just using joy2key on some games if using keyboard bothers you.
The Crackhead Beetles
I remember having to play the TMNT port without using any of the sub-items, because I got the game before I learned how to read and couldn't get a look at the manual to find out the rest of the controls were on the keyboard.
Nice to see the Great Mighty Poo in an early role
Chaos Engine, Zool and Gods - fucking awesome games.
Didn't know the Amiga version of Gods had no music though. Play the Mega Drive/Genesis version, it's awesome. Of course looking at how Vinny played it, maybe it's not for him lol
Isn't GODS like, crazy obtuse? DEFINITELY not a game for Vinny lol.
Into The Wonderful is a banger intro track, and the Genesis/MD version of it is quite a nice arrangement too. Never listened to the in-game track(s) though!
A lot of these games do have music: You just have to choose between having sound effects or music. Can't have both for some reason.
I can understand the Amiga being out of its depth for the likes of Street Fighter 2, but ports of NES games and typical 80s arcade games shouldn't have been so hard in terms of graphics and performance. The Ghosts n' Goblins port is an example of a rock-solid conversion, easily smoking the NES version by being more in-line with the arcade version.
TMNT sucks because the NES version sucks, and there's no good version of that game to work from, unlike Ghosts 'N Goblins. Konami were clearly on as low of a budget as possible, so they probably got an inexperienced team to do the job and almost definitely did not give them enough time to do it.
@@alfo2804 I kept saying this during the stream.
If it was a shitty port of TMNT Arcade or Turtles in Time I'd get it, but the NES TMNT is already shit, so the Amiga version is like shit with sprinkles on top
It looks prettier, but that's it.
Vinny tries to learn how to use WinUAE: the stream.
I've tried to use both WinUAE and FS-UAE, gave up on both, and just decided to stick to ST, Spectrum, and MSX emulation until someone pulls a Duckstation and makes it less miserable to deal with.
Thank god for the GZDoom remake of Alien Breed 3D so I can at least play that.
I am not new to emulation, I have retroarch for Picodrive, MAME, Prosystem, Handy, and some stray Mednafen cores, Mednafen w/ a front end for Saturn specifically, Ares for high ULTRA accuracy shit, and standalones of mGBA, Mesen2, RMG, Stella, Dolphin, PCSX2, Duckstation, ReDream, Hatari, Dosbox, BGB, PPSSPP, blueMSX, RPCS3, Xenia, AND Vita 3K, and the only reason I dont have any DS or 3DS stuff is because I jailbroke my N3DS just so I could avoid having to deal with using a mouse for a touchscreen, lack of DSi support, etc. which I also use to emulate Intelevison and Colecovison specifically so I have some facsimile of a keypad.
... So when I say something is so finicky, asinine, temperamental and tedious to emulate that I just gave up on it and said "I'll wait till shit's better", it's saying *A LOT.*
And that sucks because I REALLY wanna play Alien Breed 3D 2.
Team 17, PLZ port the fucking thing! I dont wanna have to wait another 7 years for a "Project Osiris 2" to happen. You're friends with Night Dive and 3DRealms, make it happen!
@@warbossgegguz679 You can always buy Amiga Forever but it's at a steep price.
1:27:27 Bottom left joystick. I had that as a kid for my Atari 130XE (games loaded from cassette tapes, good times!) It's called the SuperCharger. It was honestly really solidly built. Survived a few years of extremely intense gaming. I don't have it anymore because at some point it broke, but I do have another one though not pictured here, the Scorpion (it had either a "standing" or "handheld" playing mode). Never had an amiga tho but my older brother's friend did. Man were we jealous.
EDIT: 1:27:34 the joystick on top, I don't remember its name but I have that one still but for pc. Sadly can't really connect it because it demanded the sound card's game port. I never bothered buying a USB converter for a newer pc tho.
The Jim power music sounds a like like "a searing struggle" from Ys III
definitely one of my favorite sunday segments. i love just the quick looks at random ports like this
😂 🐢 I remember being at a computer store and playing Ninja Turtles on the Amiga and the salesman kept getting pissed at me because every time you go in and out of the sewers you need to switch the 💾 and it takes forever to load 😂
So, yeah it takes a super long time to load anytime you ever do anything in the game and have to switch the disk every time.
Despite popular opinion Amiga did have some good titles. Globdule is one I liked a lot growing up that is sorely overlooked.
Graypril: Thank you Michaelangelo! But our April is in another sewer!
Yo ho ho thar be a porthole here
_allegedly_ Global Gladiators was, In Fact, composed by Tallarico, at least the Genesis version. But the music in this version seems to use the same voice clips that sound just like him so... who knows.
29:35 The Dracula & Death Show, Episode 2
he's the angry vinny game nerd
19:34 Sega must have some big Jerma fans. Why else would they put his face in the status bar four times?
That Frog game is soo JERMA, froggy Detective is my favorite streams of his. Vinny needs to a Crystal Head Vodka commercial in his Akroyd voice.
Portholes
The American ninja turtles was released on vinil, that's why it loads so slow. It's a 33rpm ROM
"check this out chat. In order to jump you press up".
Ahh vinny you poor shrew
Shocked that someone made a pack of Amiga games and didn't include Lemmings. How did they miss what is probably the most famous game to come out on the Amiga?
WinUAE is somewhat hard to setup to work well between different games (port swapping etc). I wanted to avoid fumbling around with settings so I kept things simple to use. He already played lemmings hence why it wasn't included.
@@yoshiturafloof I see, I didn't know he streamed that. Thanks for explaining!
But Binty, old games aren't bad, only new ones!
Futuristic sports and futuristic racing are two of my fave subgenres of futurism/sci-fi. Both versions of Rollerball are among my fave movies, though the remake is simultaneously one of the worst films I've ever seen while also one of my fave films. I recommend the enjoyable-cheesy made-for-TV movie Futuresport for a better Rollerball remake, which stars Dean Cain (before he became a right-wing grifter), Vanessa Williams, and Wesley Snipes (somehow) and actually takes place a year from now! For racing it's a big catalogue most famously including Wipeout. I've always found myself oddly attracted to the LEGO Drome Racers line, even though I haven't built a LEGO set in years or played the line's tie-in game (which I'll get to).
1:23:55 Wait, DICE? As in Battlefield DICE?
Yes! They started out as a cracker group, moved on to demos and then to proper game development late-ish in the Amiga's lifespan - they made the best pinball games/sims of the 16-bit generation, all Amiga originals :)
@@thestripedmenace Yeah, I know about the pinball games -- but only the SNES versions, didn't know they were on Amiga
Never knew that they had such a diverse history with the Amiga, but with a name like "Digital Illusions" it makes complete sense
Clive Nobunga is my favorite bit
Amiga Street Fighter II and Castlevania are so deeply upsetting.
It sounds like Vinny emulated all those game too slow, Amiga had great music
It seems that Vinny always pick Reptile in any MK games he played during the stream.
During the Zool ending, take a closer look at the small creature he bumps into while meeting his family
That's a feralized Sonic
Zool was apparently meant to be some kind of rival to Sonic
Nobody outside of Konami knew the names of almost all of the first TMNT game's enemies until the Cowabunga Collection came out.
So about that impossible jump chat and vinny discussed about tmnt.
it is present in the nes original and is doable, but there's enemies on the other side that'll try to knock you off. so its bullshit hard to pull off properly.
Yep, but the Amiga version's one is literally impossible. The gap between the two platforms is longer than your jump, and the ceiling is too low for you to be able to jump at your highest.
@@na-ky8ou damn. that is garbage level porting.
Angry VINNYO-GAME NERD! :D That comment kind of killed me, hahahaa!
I'm anxious waiting for the next time Vinny plays Altered Beast to see if he's going to mutter "That's when the cannibalism started" again
I do remember street fighter 2 for amiga 500 yes it wasn't good and it had about ten floppy disks to play it
Lucozade, Chupa Chups, how many bloody Amiga games had products in them?
Oh my god Vinny, you can't just ask why people are purple!
Some classics here, I feel very old - thanks for the archive.
Walker should be on next amiga pack for Vinny, the environments are supposed to be based on Akira and the first enemies are Nazis so
i love making amiga music so its goanna be fun listen to how they ported the music
Talking of Amiga games ported to other systems, would like to see Vinny try the original Lemmings. That's a whole stream in itself there.
Man the mortal kombat brings me back. I used to play that all the time with my brothers
Wait, so all this time, Zool was just a giant product placement for Chupa Chups candy, at least on the Amiga?
Wow. I'm a diehard amiga fan but most of those ports are proper shit.
There is a lot of amazing amiga games and a lot of stinkers like most gaming systems
A shame he didnt play metal gear amiga, it had some pretty hilarious faces
god i love his moaning
Why did the virocop and battle squadron segments get vod muted on twitch
battle squadron's remake is still being sold on ios/android I think
@@klikerus sure, but would that also affect the soundtrack?
@@seandc6629If twitch has a scummy and overly sensitive interpretation of copyright law, why not. Anything is possible when you realize twitch is worse than even youtube lmao
Oh Jesus oh god what did they do to the music in McKids, it was the only thing that game had going for it and they *destroyed it*
Death and dracula are my new favorite vinty characters
Holy shit apparently Jimpower Mutant Planet game stole the song Searing Struggle from Ys 3, Specifically SNES version because of the intro at the start which is like the worst version of it.
Zool had music you had to press space bar in the title screen to bring up the options then you select what music track. No idea why they did this as default!!
The blocks that cover the screen in Turrican 2 sound like Sans.
If game is based on floppy disk and not installed on hdd huge loading times pretty much normal thing there. One button for attacking and jumping was due to joysticks for Amiga had one button. Even if some models had two or more buttons every other button acted same. For beatemups its "very good" choice of controls.
Speaking of original bad Amiga games I can suggest "Adventures of Quik and Silva". First level will show you how bad it is. Or Sword of Sodan, which is bad even on Sega Genesis. If there will be NES porthole I can suggest Conan - The Mysteries of Time.
Were there multiple _Castlevania_ ports for the Amiga? I found a website that has MP3s of all the games' music and the Amiga one has a cover of "Vampire Killer". Did they just move it to a different level?
Maybe... By the looks of it Vinny played mostly NTSC games on this segment, and as you probably know the Amiga had a waaaayyyyyyy bigger market in PAL regions, with many games having different or changed ports for each region/standard
Hey Johnny, can we get the grunt noise vinny does isolated around 24:00 during altered beast
I wonder if he'll do MSX ports.
Amiga games could be quite good when built for the hardware, but Amiga PORTS? Never. The system was powerful for its day, but... you could only do so much with floppies.
55:53 Is handball unknown to americans?
I mean, they call "football" a sport in which you don't control the ball with your feet...
They got icepuck in the nineties from Canada, what you expect? :D
I. THINK I SEE. AN ALTERED BEAST
Superfrog - is to the Amiga what Sonic and Mario were to their consoles
Even with the better amiga games there is really only one way to play them and that is with an actual digital joystick. The only games that are playable without it are those that use mouse and keybord.
Vinny has to play HyperBlade(1996) someday!
Does someone know where I can find the music that was playing at the beginning? It was fantastic!
ruclips.net/video/PiYuq6Ac3a0/видео.html
Passive aggressive chat member not familiar with tech not working for any number of reasons?
Just typical internet brainrot.
Well shit, Dracula can't have a break. 😂
Zool does have music, but whoever compiled the pack disabled it.
could've been a weird/early floppy dump
@@klikerus Nah. You have to choose between music or sfx.
I was curious, because I remember zool having a REALLY good speed rock/metal OST... but without it it feels so much slower.
@@warbossgegguz679 Amiga Zool has a genre switch on the main menu. :)
@@AfterBurnerTeirusu oh I know, it gets into like house-industrial later, but Rock n Zool and Rave are what's burned into my brain when I think of this game. The entire OST goes hard AF though.
Also, just wanna say a game having a soundtrack made up of speed metal and rave music is the most "90s Britain" musical decision possible. Not complaining in the slightest, just kind of funny.