I mock flat earthers a lot, but it must genuinely take a HUGE amount of maturity and humility to come down from a viewpoint that strong and admit when you are wrong, and I cannot help but applaud Ranty’s action here. That must have been incredibly hard, and I firmly congratulate him for it
Remember that guy Mark whatever his name is, from the netflix documentary? He even admitted in the documentary that he wouldn't be able to admit it even if he knew it was wrong. Because he's too far down the rabbit hole kind of thing, it would be too embarrassing for him, in front of too many people. People on his own side who would call him a traitor and a shill or whatever, and people on the logical scientific side who would obviously say "you moron, can't believe you fell for it for so long, and now you have no choice but to admit you were so stupid". And as much as many people would give him credit for finally admitting the truth, there would be a lot of people who would mock him for being wrong in the first place.
Listen I hope I'm wrong but could ranty be a mole? Hear me out here, I have just watched a few recent videos of globe earthers pretending to be flat earthers and then low and behold a guy that has never used logic and reason suddenly uses logic and reason. Something don't smell right me thinks.
@@hapaxl.6075 having watch the stream, I don't actually believe that's the case. The vids and podcasts he's doing with Cats shows that. The fact that he did not bury the photo shows that.
Don't get your hopes up, he believed it once, he can believe it again. But let's hope indeed he has seen the light and enjoyed how warm and cozy it feels. It's a reality tv show to him and he's giving it plot twists, cliffhangers, side plots and everything he can think of to keep that audience. I give it 2 weeks and then he's proudly and promptly hopping back on the flat team after some type of breaking news he dreamed up.
@@leetlc441 he didn't need credible evidence before, he won't need it for whatever garbage he latches onto next... A loser who's spent years conning the gullible...
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0:03 "Something huge happened in this community." How true. I'll never forget where I was when I learned that Matt Powell has a giant inflatable banana in his back yard that he named Dr. Peel.
@@Nathan-Croft I fully appreciate that, however admitting a change of well entrenched flat earth belief and potentially facing ridicule (from both sides) is something to be welcomed. Yes, there is an “about bloody time” element to it but come on, let’s be kind eh. We’re better than that 👍🏻
@@Nathan-Croft Admitting you're wrong about anything takes guts, especially if you've been denying it for so many years. He fell down a rabbit hole and was able to get out of it, even though it took so long. I'll give props to anyone for that, plus it's a blow to Flat Earth so hell I'm happy to see it.
@@Nathan-Croft you have to forget the why and just give him props for the what. It doesn't matter whether it's about the shape of the earth or anything else..... A man allowed himself to take in new information or look at old information in a way he hadn't before and he was willing to stand up and publicly say "I was wrong".
If most of the people that go into a rabbit hole don't come back, flat earth might be the least of our worries... We might have a case of a horde of murderous rabbits.
Everyone should be sure to treat Ranty with some respect. He may have fallen for the flat earth nonsense, but he's the only man big enough to go to the other side and come back out of all of them when confronted with evidence instead of just blanket denials and willful ignorance. That takes a genuine need for intellectual honesty and real maturity. Something that he would never have gotten from his peers on the other side. So let's show him some globe hospitality and treat him with the respect he deserves for admitting when he was wrong, going against his peers and most importantly, keeping intellectual honesty in science in a higher regard than his own ego. Something many of your average scientists can't even do, let alone a flat earther. I, for one, applaud him. It really does take a big man to make a shift in thinking like this, and do so publicly in the face of ridicule, of which sure he deserved a little, but I'm sure he's had more than his fair share by now having publicly been a flat earther for this long. So let's not perpetuate a culture of shaming a man who did the right thing above all else. And shame on you if you mistreat the bloke. He's a bloody legend in this Aussie's eyes. And we don't throw out that term seriously, lightly.
The man who admits his mistakes shows that he is capable of learning and applying what he has learned. Two signs of intelligence. The others are just being stubborn and doubling down on their ignorance. Two signs of immaturity.
My grandfather used to tell me what I tell my kids now, "The most intelligent thing a person can say is that they don't know." Admitting you don't have the answer shows humility and that you recognize what you are and are not currently capable of. Looking into it and referencing it later when asked again shows intelligence and the ability to grow as a person, but it all begins with an admission.
I admire how kind all the flat earth debunkers are kind and accepting of Ranty and helping him, not mocking him. This is what it's all about for me. Bringing people together with the truth.
And what are his old flat earth friends saying? Calling him a "shill", "sellout", and that he was "in on it" the entire time lol. Being part of a cult gives you terrible character.
Eh. I have long suspected that many of the 'leaders' of FE actually know better, and claim Earth is flat so they can *be* the leaders. In that case, I have to be dubious of any who leave FE. Perhaps they've realized the con has run its course, at least for them, and they're looking for a graceful exit. I mean, I hate to discourage anybody leaving that group, but my doubts remain on sincerity.
@@kartashuvit4971 everyone needs an exit. If both sides mock a person, for both being in at one point and getting out of a position, what would the impetus be to leave that position when one finds it’s wrong?
I hate when people mock flat earthers and call them names. You are right that bringing people together to find the truth is the way to go. I don't want to make it harder by making it personal.
I would just like to say, can we all offer our support and admiration to him for coming back to reality, rather than mocking him for his previous mistakes?
No, fuck you! You call all flat earther fucking idiots all day long. He doesn’t get a pass because he thinks 1 pic shows curve after the 500 that havent
Literally since the very day he agreed to work with conspiracy catz to run that podcast I've been singing the lads praises, takes a big person to admit your mistakes.
@@RegisTerSlow So a kid has a hard time getting the hang of algebra, but finally has that "a ha" moment and understands it, and you think you should keep pointing out the problems he got wrong in the past even though he'd get them right today with his new understanding? Got it. Now swear at me, too.
@@RegisTerSlow yeah, this is the kind of ignorant drivel I was hoping to avoid. This might shock you to hear, but some of the smartest and greatest minds our globe has ever known have made a statement, researched and investigated, and found some evidence that has changed their mind entirely. To admit faults and change your mind about something takes courage - to aggressively attack people for growing and learning is exactly what fuels the flat earth community.
One could even argue that Ranty is more intelligent that most people, due to the fact that he adapted his opinions based on new data. Congrats Ranty, well done mate.
@@Panomosh well i wouldn’t go as far as to say “more intelligent than most people” because intelligent people don’t become flattards in the first place
@@jasonvoorheesthethird he wasnt agreeing with the social norms science, took it upon him self to investigate, came to the wrong conclusion initially but then was brought back to globe earth, by himself. That's intelligent
@@jasonvoorheesthethird if there's anything life has taught me, it's that "intelligent" people are no less immune to being fooled than anyone else. Never think yourself incorruptible, unfoolable or above influence, because eventually that will be proven wrong and it's better to be on the look out for it when it happens.
Flat earther behaviour is very much comparable to that of cultists’ behaviour. Usually being able to get out of cults requires the help and guidance from others. To be able to pull yourself out of such a community is a very significant achievement. Well done, Ranty!
It's EXACTLY like a cult, because.... it IS. There are no facts you can present to them to get them to let go of their delusion. Glad this guy fi alkybwoke up, but damn, THIS woke him up? Not ALLLL the other far more obvious signs of a globe earth?
People become flat earthers because they are already in a cult which believes the infallibility of their holy scriptures. Since their holy scripture teaches flat earth with a dome, they either need to admit that scripture is not always right, or simply claim that physics must be wrong.
Ranty, glad you've actually looked at the evidence and followed it. That takes some guts for you to admit it rather than just running off when you're shown to be wrong. Honestly, great job.
I honestly wonder how many of them ever really were beyond the RUclips grifting. I know Ranty has done an expert job over the years proving the globe in his own footage, but I've always had a soft spot for him. Congrats Ranty, reality welcomes you back!
@@marsar1775 that's indeed a thing: Ranty or STSP seemed to be people you may get along with if you avoid talking about "that thing". Even CC might. The two Nathans though, Sleeping Warrior or Quantum Eraser, to name a few: not so much, regardless of topic. Especially the two Nathans ...and very specially Nathon Thompson. Totally toxic person to have around you :(
@@hartmutholzgraefe I couldn't tolerate any of the Nathans. Riley I could enjoy a drink with if things stayed off Flat Earth. I'd love a drink with Del.
@@JohnMichaelson Del I'd actually like to have a drink with for the sole purpose of finding out whether I'd actually like to have a drink with him or not. On the other hand after the third shot latest I'd not understand any of his anymore anyway :o
I'm convinced that you could personally take a flat earther to space to see the Earth, and they would look you dead in the eye and say "This is a tv, not a window"
agree even better put him in a space suit and hopefully he will remove his space helmet and cry out this is a movie studio,.only he will only get as far as removing his helmet and in that micro second would realise shit the earth a globe.
@itsjustthemo it's all good, just crack open the visor. They don't believe space is a vacuum anyway. At least when they can't breathe and are dieing rather painfully they will realise in those final few moments that they f**ked up. Shame they won't be alive long enough to admit it but eh. So sad.
I respect anyone who has the integrity to admit having been wrong even after first strongly arguing about the opposite. My respect for Ranty just went from rock bottom to well above average. Well done.
Nathan always seems to give his opinions to the same group of people every week. Will be interesting to see what stance he takes if he sees other flat earthers changing their tune. The way he verbally attacks some people is in very poor taste and I can only hope for him having to eat a seriously large slice of humble pie in the future.
@@Cookie_85 Yeah, once his supporters start asking him stuff like, "So you're saying ALL observations through an atmosphere are inconclusive, so what do WE have as evidence for flatness then? Black Swan is useless"? or - "So shouldn't we be sending people to that location to take pics ourselves to peer review this? See if it was a rare atmospheric anomaly or not?" THEN he will start to panic :)
Good one Ranty! Welcome back to reality! And well done for being able to think independently. Beware though. The flerfer community is full of terrible people who will probably attack you.
Nathan shouting and shouting as he's royally embarrassed by people talking quietly, this has been one of your best videos ever. You've just guaranteed another year's worth of flat earth Friday goodness!!!!
I saw the livestream with catz and ranty. I'm genuinely happy for him. Took a while but we got there lol. Respect to ranty for being honest to himself.
Is there a reason you broke the first sentence into three? Are you trying to make it a hiku or something? Not a grammar nazi I'm just curious what the significance of it is.
who?! hahahaa... I've been a flat earther for years and I've never even heard of this dude... I'm only here because I'm being sent sci man dan videos on the regular lol... all good tho, no hard feelings
@@days_hadd well maybe you’ll listen to this video and get out of the flat earth room just like randy did :) hope the indisputable analysis at the end makes it clear you have a lot to think about
Oh thank goodness... And here I was sitting thinking I wasn't as good at english as I had thought... I honestly couldn't make any sense of what he was saying. (English is my second language but I feel that I am quite proficient at it so it was a bit worrisome that I couldn't understand what was being said.)
That's really admirable! I have a similar background and looking into conspiracy theories is what helped me step away from my church upbringing. One day I realized the same critical thinking and skepticism applied to it, too.
Thanks everyone for your comments. There are tons of false ideas about what the Bible says and this leads people to believe the Bible is unscientific. The Bible says at Job 26:7 "He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing." This is totally different to ideas of that time when people believed the earth was on the backs of animals or held up by Atlas. At Isaiah 40:22 the earth is described according to how it appears from space, as a circle. "There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He is stretching out the heavens like a fine gauze, And he spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." The Hebrew word here certainly does not preclude a sphere. In addition, nowhere does the Bible say the earth is flat.
@NonCoinCollector Hi NCC, as I said in my comment, the earth appears as a circle from space. I used that as an example of a correct view of what the Bible says. Some of the false ideas people have about the Bible relate to death. For example, the Bible does not teach that all good people go to heaven when they die. It also does not teach that there is a fiery hell where bad people are tortured. Honestly, I think it is more valuable to concentrate on what it does teach. By the way, what is your opinion of the Bible saying that the earth is suspended in space?
Surely if they wanted to prove that there were outside effects causing the mountains to look smaller they could take a series of photos from that location in different conditions. This would highlight whether or not they are right. But obviously they wont do this because it would prove them wrong and they are in too deep and wont ever admit it.
Photographic evidence lol that's a good one. What photographic evidence would that be? The photos they admit they are creating in photoshop to match our expectations of what earth looks like? ruclips.net/video/R4YiOhjd9O4/видео.html
@@prodbygliderYes because it has been removed and censored everywhere. So because it only has a few hundred views that instantly makes it untrue? it's you who needs to accept reality. I was like you. I believed the earth was a spinning ball. I believed the heliocentric model. It is me who accepted reality and you who keeps on denying it. Good luck in your life on your spinning ball delusion.
@@leslierhorer1412 And tbf, a lot of people who get caught up on these kinds of cults get stuck in them because of fear of other acolytes. Sometimes because of economic dependence on the cult, if it's a local group. Cults are scary stuff!
Meet and debate a flat earther every flaturday at the Griffith park observatory aka the spinning balls church 🙏ruclips.net/video/dVKhCBnkoCQ/видео.html free globebortions 🙏 let's unite and defund all space agencies and make flat earth great again
@@CChrisHolmes yeah I knew it was all pretty much gonna be the Flerfs doing it. It just seems so crazy that they get that crazy about it. Though I guess to believe the Earth is flat you gotta be a little unhinged to begin with.
How do we know the Earth isn't falt? David Mitchell said it best, when he said. "Because someone went up in a rocket, looked out the window and took a bloody photo"
@@fpszombie1 Mr Hovind has had the basics of evolution explained to him so many times he must understand how it works, at lest the fundamentals. It's not that he doesn't understand it, it's more a question that he intentionally chooses to ignore it and misrepresent it because he knows that it blows his alternative hypothesis out of the water and without that he has no job.
@@ilyaleytes1611 Strangely enough I did agonise over using the word 'job'. I almost replaced it with income but I totally agree with you, grift would be more appropriate.
@@andystokes8702 scientific studies have been done on the topic. Opinions or beliefs that were not arrived at via rational deduction are extremely difficult to change. Cognitive bias kicks in and the mind rationalizes away all contrary evidence.
Man, Nathan is SO UPSET. This is clearly a man who replaces the ability to admit one's mistakes with rage. He's been in more than one domestic dispute, guaranteed.
I've been watching you and Catz for a couple years now, and I'm genuinely impressed with Catz's patience for Ranty, and his willingness to continue trying to bring Ranty back to the truth. Further, I gained a measure of respect for Ranty simply because he was willing to consider the explanation and evidence presented to him. While he's still holding to his perceptions, he's willing to accept that what he sees CAN and DOES fit within the Globe model. I only hope he remains committed to this new path and doesn't abandon logic under pressure and poor arguments from FE.
Nathan whith his eyes closed and hands over his ears going :"Lalala geometric horizon lalala perspective lalala straw man lalala optical effect lalala something involving male genitals". Meanwhile: big mountain still obviously seen below smaller tower. What a show! Greetings from France!
Oakley rage makes me laugh 😂 I wonder why he didn’t say “it’s angle of attack” or “viewing angle” ... or even my favourite “it’s diffraction....” although Nathan couldn’t explain what the hell diffraction is! (Thanks Conspiracy Catz 😅)
If I throw out all these big words very quickly then my viewers might think I actually believe what I say, and am not just trying to get money out of them
Geopolitics, economic trade, large scale military action, GPS, long distance amateur radio, historical migrations, mapping & surveying, archeology, astronomical observation, eclipses, moon libration : Nothing of what I am directly aware of concerning the shape of Earth makes any sense to me EXCEPT if the earth were a globe.
@@jjevans1693 Uhm... wow! Since I can duplicate the effect of an eclipse along one area, an area around that where the eclipse is partial, and the rest of the globe has no eclipse at all. as something that can be confidently and very accurately mapped out decades in advance, and that this effect only makes mathematical sense on a global earth, no... do explain this to me. And if you can't manage a little thing like eclipse prediction simulations, it would appear a discussion on gravity would just bring you down.
@@jjevans1693 You can't handle the math backing eclipse predictions decades in advance, which is child's play compared to the math backing Special Relatively. Start with what you can handle.
I would like to see someone simulate what the image would look like if, as SW suggests, the full height of the mountains was visible, but it had somehow (magically) had the height compressed into the visible angular size in the photo. I suspect that image of the mountains would look quite distorted and entirely different from what we see in the photo.
A lot of folks in the FE community simply believe because they want to be part of a community. They feel empowered by their fans and no matter how much you try to take that away from them, they will fight to the bitter end to keep their crowns. I applaud anyone who can admit they were wrong, and if Ranty needs support he has a whole Globe Earth community ready to embrace him and teach him the real truth.
True enough. The same is true of gang members, Baptists, Catholics, Anglicans, Hindus, Republicans, Democrats... You name it. Either consciously or subconsciously, people realize that working in a group increases leverage. Studies have also shown there is a real effect which can be termed "mob mentality" or "mob behavior". Unfortunately, the same is true of the "Globe Earth community". There is a small kernel of truth to the criticism that "Globe Earthers" are indoctrinated. I hear / see many people speak in support of the heliocentric model merely because they have been told their entire life it is correct. Fortunately for them, it *IS* correct, and not just by chance. The unfortunate thing is they just accept it to be the case because their teachers said it was true. To me, it is a bit depressing the vast majority of people simply believe what they have been told over and over again.
@@leslierhorer1412 TBF, one has to be very selective in one's interpretation of everyday observations to consider flat earth a more viable explanation.
I'm not a mathematician so I don't remember the numerical formulas involved in perspective, but I've been an artist for almost 50 years and I've studied both classical perspective writings from the arts and spent decades just looking and understanding. The understanding of perspective in art was actually a pretty revolutionary discovery that was not trivial. I can say with certainty with the standards that the flatties call for using observable phenomena, that there is never a time on a flat plane when an object disappears below the line of sight from the bottom up. Simple geometry of straight lines makes it obvious. Imagine if the horizon of a vast flat plane were a tabletop. If you position the center of the pupil of your eye to intersect with the plane of the horizon, you will always be able to project a straight line from the center of your eye to the bottom of any object sitting on that plane. The object will get smaller even to the point of merging with the horizon when it gets far enough away, but only the perceived size changes, its position in relation to the flat plane it's sitting on, never ever changes. It can't. Sorry Dan, I have no desire to lecture to your already smart viewers, but I've been thinking about how to articulate this reality from what I know from my own field of knowledge and just wanted to try to describe it here where people can tell me if they see any holes in what I'm saying while still adhering to reality. Thanks, I love your shows.
I think he suspected, but if he had known all along, why bother travelling to that location to confirm a "globe-supporting" photo? Although me might have just been waiting for a definitive one to come out of the closet with. My guess is that like a lot of flerfs, he was initially taken in by the argument, but over the years came to the inescapable conclusion it's a globe, and was then looking for a very good excuse to switch sides.
Yeah, don't any of Nathan's supporters ever ask him about that? "So we should NOT trust our eyes when looking at ANYTHING through an atmosphere"? How on Earth would Nathan or QE answer that question?
@@PaulSchober What's more telling, to me, is that they've had to take globe geometry and flatten it, and the resulting mess they're shoving onto perspective and atmospheric effects. He says we've hijacked perspective and called it earth curve, when in reality he's the one who is trying to hijack perspective to say more thsn it does, to say the equal and opposite things to what earth's curvature says, to discount the globe via the globe's own geometry The perspective lines you get in this flat atmosphere seem very weirdly upward-curving, you know? Really strange how they do that.
They sure don't trust there eyes when it comes to sunsets, do they? They see the Sun disappear below the horizon from the bottom up, but they would rather believe the con men who tell them that never happens and the Sun is above the horizon all night long.
@@Mandelbrot_Set Or the massive red glow caused by atmospheric refraction and reflection during and after a sunset, which proves the boats over the horizon reappearing thing. But they can't trust that, that's only irrefutable proof.
Wow. I been researching both ideas and smart enough to see both figures. If your to dumb to know why. Explain N Star why it never moves Explain how water can have a convex curve. Lake Havasu to Every lake in world wider than 1 mile. Even 1 mile the middle be 4" higher total of 8" Explain the Suez canal how does a water way flat as fuck has a depth of 25-75ft they made it deeper. It's 120 miles long how does water make it to the RED Sea the seas meet. The Datum line. Just think about it I just lol. Unless it's MARK SARGENT DAVID WEISS ERIC dubay they aren't shit
@@AerobaticsPilot "Explain the Suez canal how does a water way flat as fuck has a depth of 25-75ft " Show us how you verified it's flat champ. "Explain N Star why it never moves" I asked you why you didn't research properly. The north star not only moves, but Thuban used to be out north star. "and smart enough to see both figures." So far in the other thread, you can't work out how refraction affects views, even after you had videos shown you, and you can't work out that an elevation needs a reference. Dunning and Kruger did a study showing the dumbest people are most likely to think they are smart.
@@AerobaticsPilot "there you said it. 25ft so explain how water can get across 120 miles of land with a datum line of 25-75 ft." Because the datum line is referenced to the gravitation vector. "If you are standing on 1 side and had to pull a string to other side and get level you have to dig 9600ft down just to get even ok genius." You still haven't made any supported argument. "Explain why water in a pool lays Flat" Tell us how much curve there would be in a 50m pool when the curvature is 1º in 110 km, Einstein. Next, tell us what you measured this with to confirm your idea. Lets see your data.
@@Dr-Curious gravitational vectors kidding me. I love to see that experiment ill get a huge ball able to carve a Grove a few inches into to it with pockets of water on both ends your telling me water will flow to the other side 😆 oh since the ball is smaller you going to tell me the vectors will be different its still going to center of the earth just a little different angle tell me it will.change the pull wow
Good for him to come to his senses. I am genuinely happy that someone so big in the community can make a change. Hopefully his stepping back will cause many of his followers to do the same. It proves that it CAN be done, people can change.
I hope that Ranty doesn't pay them any mind. He's shown himself to be the first with a real backbone. Good on you, Ranty. Welcome back to the real world. I hope you are enjoying it.
Much respect and appreciation for Ranty and his position change after facing evidence that debunked his belief!! I’m sure it was hard for him to cross that line.
Good for Ranty. I always had a soft-spot for him. His demeanor is a world away from the likes of Oakley, Riley et al. He is genuine in his misunderstanding and he truly wants to learn to understand. Welcome Ranty, you are a welcome member to reality.
Absolutely. One of my favorite lines from a movie comes from The Abyss: "Stay off my side!" If Oakley et al were on our side, their behavior would elicit that very response from me. It truly puzzles me anyone lends any credit to what they say, given their behavior. Of course, the same can be said of their stupidity. All the way around, their credibility is just zero.
As a side note, can we just take a moment to appreciate the beauty of the image. My God I can't wait to go back to Blackpool. I know where I will be standing for photos and observation. Thanks SMD.
My father used to say "Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure." That was going through my mind as Nathan's convoluted explanation was playing out. He's just taking whatever he can cram into his "proof" and just talking so much that he believes people will have to believe him because he'll impress the hell out of them with all his big words and exciting math! Congrats to Ranty, for being intelligent enough to know that we all have a lot to learn in life. The more intelligent we are, the more we realize the scale of what we don't know. To step away from a conspiracy that has an almost cult-like devotion takes guts, and I, for one, am impressed.
Ranty said: show me something I can see from where I live that proves I'm on a spheroid. This image did that. Ranty accepted that information. If only all flerfs were this honest.
Antony Liely - "those mountains are all about 2000ft because we don't have any higher than 2000 ft in England" Scafell Pike - "Come up here and say that you pillock.""
Scafell Pike, Sprinkling Tarn, Sty Head Tarn and the path from there to Seathwaite or from there over Brandreth and Fleetwith Pike down to Buttermere can be _very_ "interesting" in bad weather. It'd shut him right up.
@@Sableagle I know it well, having climbed it several times. From Wasdale Head, from Seathwaite via both Sprinkling Tarn and via the Corridor Route and from Langdale via Bow Fell and Esk Pike. With Lielys understanding of maps and navigation I think he would get lost before he even managed to get as far as Kendal.
Hopegill Head - Whiteside - Whin Ben on a rainy day probably wants a piece of this action, too. Meanwhile, Blencathra's just sitting there, quietly waiting for another fool to try the path north of the tarn.
💉🚀Citizens of our beautiful stationary flat Earth keep in mind that Nasholes, fakeX nor all space agencies can't get high enough to show homosapiens a non CGI Blue marble. Also virgin galactic still a virgin. Just rockets to nowhere 🚀 because of our dome firmament, that's right we are one beautiful family under the dome firmament on our beautiful stationary flat Earth 🙏 let's unite and defund all space agencies and make flat Earth great again 🎶💖 let's end the chemtrails, fracking, GMOs, fluoridation of our waters, DEW direct energy weapons, 5G, and obviously the experimental mutant vaccinations 💉🚀 along with the double covidiots masks 😷💉 ruclips.net/video/LtEy7bBTRNM/видео.html
@@gibbonbasher8171 everyday is a new observation day, try testing same location trough out the year, but I am more interested in Nasholes why they can't get high enough?😂🤣🤣🤣
Just imagine how hard it must have been to step back from a viewpoint you have literally based your entire identity on. That's a huge step to take, and I'm glad that (at least based on this comment section) people seem to be treating that difficult step with the respect it deserves.
Its like escaping any cult-style community, its something that takes a lotta effort to rattle open, and a lotta willpower for the person caught to decide to accept this opening, this is doubtless just the straw that broke the flat earth's back, one amongst many contradictions that couldn't be reconciled, its a hard thing getting out of such places
Outstanding character shown by Ranty. He could have just deleted his channel and disappeared but publicly admitting his previous misunderstanding is a very brave thing to do. I wish him well in the future.
Aaah... Sleepy Warrior... the egg-float-expert. You don't even need science to debunk him. [Edit]: Don't forget that Matt Powell Official has a giant inflatable banana in is backyard and calls it Dr. Peel.
You mean the guy that requests you to tie one arm to your back before going to argue with him? "We can debate, but only if you stay away from mentioning gravity"
Good on Ranty I have to say. Acknowledged he was wrong, and had the decency to say it. And I have mass respect for people like that. Also FTFE did a live interview with Ranty after he said this. Well worth a look. SciManDan, another brilliant video.
wow, ranty is actually more mature than most people i know. a lot more mature than my teacher, who simply can't accept that some theories from before 1950 have been proven wrong, and that math can be done in multiple different ways as long as the results are proven to be equivalent. congrats ranty, you are an adult now
I've had that math problem before! Wanted me to show working out in a different method than I ever use. I ignored her and got a first in my degree in the end anyway. If you know your correct, keep doing it that way.
@@leccy9901 I came up with a trick for subtraction when we first learning arithmetic in grade school. The teacher told me it was wrong. Today in my college math classes, I still use that same trick.
This has woken me up, not anything unflat Earth, but the mountains around Blackpool? bloody amazing, I never knew it sat in such beautiful surroundings.
I think the most enjoyable part of this interaction is "guys I think I'm back on the globe side" and flat earthers were like "...and I took that personally"
I thought the very same thing, it’s the first time I’ve heard an Irish flat earther.......I thought we were immune to that particular type of stupidity but I guess not 😂😂
I mock flat earthers a lot, but it must genuinely take a HUGE amount of maturity and humility to come down from a viewpoint that strong and admit when you are wrong, and I cannot help but applaud Ranty’s action here. That must have been incredibly hard, and I firmly congratulate him for it
Our little man is finally growing up *sniff*
Remember that guy Mark whatever his name is, from the netflix documentary? He even admitted in the documentary that he wouldn't be able to admit it even if he knew it was wrong. Because he's too far down the rabbit hole kind of thing, it would be too embarrassing for him, in front of too many people. People on his own side who would call him a traitor and a shill or whatever, and people on the logical scientific side who would obviously say "you moron, can't believe you fell for it for so long, and now you have no choice but to admit you were so stupid".
And as much as many people would give him credit for finally admitting the truth, there would be a lot of people who would mock him for being wrong in the first place.
@@w0bbl3r mark still lives with his mom and has the brain of a 12 year old
Takes a big man to admit to being wrong, and a bigger one to realize and accept that.
Hear hear
Way to go Ranty! Admitting when you're wrong is the most intelligent thing someone can do
More likely be gave FE up when it was no longer useful. Disdain and vitriol is all FE had left, and Ranty never really bothered with that.
Like a lot of them he probably didn’t really believe it in the first place.
Listen I hope I'm wrong but could ranty be a mole? Hear me out here, I have just watched a few recent videos of globe earthers pretending to be flat earthers and then low and behold a guy that has never used logic and reason suddenly uses logic and reason. Something don't smell right me thinks.
@@hapaxl.6075 having watch the stream, I don't actually believe that's the case. The vids and podcasts he's doing with Cats shows that. The fact that he did not bury the photo shows that.
@@TheMan-WithNoName uh...this isn't some sort of secret group...him being a mole would achieve zero...and makes no sense
Full credit to ranty. Admitting you got it wrong shows immense strength of character especially in front of a big audience. Kudos sir.
Don't get your hopes up, he believed it once, he can believe it again. But let's hope indeed he has seen the light and enjoyed how warm and cozy it feels.
It's a reality tv show to him and he's giving it plot twists, cliffhangers, side plots and everything he can think of to keep that audience.
I give it 2 weeks and then he's proudly and promptly hopping back on the flat team after some type of breaking news he dreamed up.
@@Yezpahr I would hope that he would only believe it again if actual credible evidence arose that we have been lied to all our lives.
The sound of the FE jaws hitting the floor was dampened by the curvature of the earth.
@@chrisb9960 lol, great comment!
@@leetlc441 he didn't need credible evidence before, he won't need it for whatever garbage he latches onto next...
A loser who's spent years conning the gullible...
Can we all give Ranty a big thumbs up here? Also The perso nwith the spreadsheet...pure magic I swear.
The spreadsheet work was fantastic. People who understand maths are sort of like magical wizards to me. I'm more of a word guy.
Well, that approach was rather obvious, and I watched this practically screaming, "Just do the geometry!"
Citizens of our beautiful stationary flat Earth keep in mind that Nasholes, fakeX nor all space agencies can't get high enough to show homosapiens a non CGI Blue marble. Also virgin galactic still a virgin. Just rockets to nowhere 🚀 because of our dome firmament, that's right we are one beautiful family under the dome firmament on our beautiful stationary flat Earth 🙏 let's unite and defund all space agencies and make flat Earth great again 🎶💖 let's end the chemtrails, fracking, GMOs, fluoridation of our waters, DEW direct energy weapons, 5G, and obviously the experimental mutant vaccinations 💉🚀 along with the double covidiots masks 😷💉 ruclips.net/video/LtEy7bBTRNM/видео.html
@@Landoparada360 You probably don't realize how utterly bonkers you sound.
@@spacelemur7955 It is honestly indistinguishable from parody.
0:03 "Something huge happened in this community."
How true. I'll never forget where I was when I learned that Matt Powell has a giant inflatable banana in his back yard that he named Dr. Peel.
Same place I always am, sitting in my house, waiting for Dan to upload.
oh yes, we must spread the word even more, everyone shall know
@@alexmcinnes5930 True believers in Dr. Peel unite!
This really shows how stupid you guys are
Huge props to Ranty. A public admission like that can’t have been easy at all. Consider my cap well and truly doffed.
@@Nathan-Croft I fully appreciate that, however admitting a change of well entrenched flat earth belief and potentially facing ridicule (from both sides) is something to be welcomed. Yes, there is an “about bloody time” element to it but come on, let’s be kind eh. We’re better than that 👍🏻
@@Nathan-Croft Admitting you're wrong about anything takes guts, especially if you've been denying it for so many years. He fell down a rabbit hole and was able to get out of it, even though it took so long. I'll give props to anyone for that, plus it's a blow to Flat Earth so hell I'm happy to see it.
@@soloskirmisherrts5043 And if you're entire social group is of one belief... it's like abandoning a religion.
Leaving a cult is never easy, look at Oakley clutching at his black swan, lol.
@@Nathan-Croft you have to forget the why and just give him props for the what. It doesn't matter whether it's about the shape of the earth or anything else..... A man allowed himself to take in new information or look at old information in a way he hadn't before and he was willing to stand up and publicly say "I was wrong".
My respect goes out to Ranty! He went into a rabbit hole and he came back. That is rare!
If most of the people that go into a rabbit hole don't come back, flat earth might be the least of our worries...
We might have a case of a horde of murderous rabbits.
hare?
I think taking time away from FE allowed him some perspective, without his fellow flerfers whispering in his ear all the time.
@@alucarderipmavtube lol
Better oblate than never :D
Everyone should be sure to treat Ranty with some respect. He may have fallen for the flat earth nonsense, but he's the only man big enough to go to the other side and come back out of all of them when confronted with evidence instead of just blanket denials and willful ignorance.
That takes a genuine need for intellectual honesty and real maturity. Something that he would never have gotten from his peers on the other side. So let's show him some globe hospitality and treat him with the respect he deserves for admitting when he was wrong, going against his peers and most importantly, keeping intellectual honesty in science in a higher regard than his own ego. Something many of your average scientists can't even do, let alone a flat earther.
I, for one, applaud him. It really does take a big man to make a shift in thinking like this, and do so publicly in the face of ridicule, of which sure he deserved a little, but I'm sure he's had more than his fair share by now having publicly been a flat earther for this long. So let's not perpetuate a culture of shaming a man who did the right thing above all else. And shame on you if you mistreat the bloke.
He's a bloody legend in this Aussie's eyes. And we don't throw out that term seriously, lightly.
Nathan is just perpetually angry. I bet he screams at his fruit bowl every morning because the oranges are round
Yeah, he is angry & yelling at them because 'How can you be a Sphere🍊, 😡 from over there You Look Flat!'
He's a typical internet hardman, you just know he's only brave behind a mute button (or when hitting his infant daughter)
@@MrNegativecreep07 You 'beat' me to it.
Nathan is a condescending prick.
I used to think Nathan was an angry man, until I saw Del.
The man who admits his mistakes shows that he is capable of learning and applying what he has learned. Two signs of intelligence. The others are just being stubborn and doubling down on their ignorance. Two signs of immaturity.
My grandfather used to tell me what I tell my kids now, "The most intelligent thing a person can say is that they don't know."
Admitting you don't have the answer shows humility and that you recognize what you are and are not currently capable of. Looking into it and referencing it later when asked again shows intelligence and the ability to grow as a person, but it all begins with an admission.
@@imasspeons Something religions cannot tolerate.
I admire how kind all the flat earth debunkers are kind and accepting of Ranty and helping him, not mocking him. This is what it's all about for me. Bringing people together with the truth.
And what are his old flat earth friends saying? Calling him a "shill", "sellout", and that he was "in on it" the entire time lol. Being part of a cult gives you terrible character.
Eh. I have long suspected that many of the 'leaders' of FE actually know better, and claim Earth is flat so they can *be* the leaders. In that case, I have to be dubious of any who leave FE. Perhaps they've realized the con has run its course, at least for them, and they're looking for a graceful exit. I mean, I hate to discourage anybody leaving that group, but my doubts remain on sincerity.
problem remains the pro flat earthers will do the same thing
@@kartashuvit4971 everyone needs an exit. If both sides mock a person, for both being in at one point and getting out of a position, what would the impetus be to leave that position when one finds it’s wrong?
I hate when people mock flat earthers and call them names. You are right that bringing people together to find the truth is the way to go. I don't want to make it harder by making it personal.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson said: "It's not about believing what scientist tell you. Go out and see for yourself". Randy did... Congrats to him
I would just like to say, can we all offer our support and admiration to him for coming back to reality, rather than mocking him for his previous mistakes?
No, fuck you! You call all flat earther fucking idiots all day long. He doesn’t get a pass because he thinks 1 pic shows curve after the 500 that havent
Literally since the very day he agreed to work with conspiracy catz to run that podcast I've been singing the lads praises, takes a big person to admit your mistakes.
Any progress is good progress! Especially from a ring leader flerf
@@RegisTerSlow So a kid has a hard time getting the hang of algebra, but finally has that "a ha" moment and understands it, and you think you should keep pointing out the problems he got wrong in the past even though he'd get them right today with his new understanding? Got it. Now swear at me, too.
@@RegisTerSlow yeah, this is the kind of ignorant drivel I was hoping to avoid. This might shock you to hear, but some of the smartest and greatest minds our globe has ever known have made a statement, researched and investigated, and found some evidence that has changed their mind entirely. To admit faults and change your mind about something takes courage - to aggressively attack people for growing and learning is exactly what fuels the flat earth community.
Glad to see ranty has now realized his mistakes, let's all support him and NOT mock him for even doubting the globe
Nothing wrong with doubt. If we didn't have that we'd probably all think the erf was flat as my GFs chest. :)
The question now is, is her chest actually flat or fricking HUMO-
@@MoronBoshi I agree, we need pics for evidence.
@@MoronBoshi I'm not a flerfer, but, this is flat.
@@hangarrat I'm not allowed to have a camera. That much money is better spent on cosmetics. 😭
The thing is, you can fool an intelligent person once. But keeping them fooled is a different story. Congrats to Ranty for finding out the truth.
One could even argue that Ranty is more intelligent that most people, due to the fact that he adapted his opinions based on new data. Congrats Ranty, well done mate.
That's a pretty low bar to pass though 😅
@@Panomosh well i wouldn’t go as far as to say “more intelligent than most people” because intelligent people don’t become flattards in the first place
@@jasonvoorheesthethird he wasnt agreeing with the social norms science, took it upon him self to investigate, came to the wrong conclusion initially but then was brought back to globe earth, by himself. That's intelligent
@@jasonvoorheesthethird if there's anything life has taught me, it's that "intelligent" people are no less immune to being fooled than anyone else. Never think yourself incorruptible, unfoolable or above influence, because eventually that will be proven wrong and it's better to be on the look out for it when it happens.
Flat earther behaviour is very much comparable to that of cultists’ behaviour. Usually being able to get out of cults requires the help and guidance from others. To be able to pull yourself out of such a community is a very significant achievement. Well done, Ranty!
It's EXACTLY like a cult, because.... it IS.
There are no facts you can present to them to get them to let go of their delusion.
Glad this guy fi alkybwoke up, but damn, THIS woke him up? Not ALLLL the other far more obvious signs of a globe earth?
People become flat earthers because they are already in a cult which believes the infallibility of their holy scriptures. Since their holy scripture teaches flat earth with a dome, they either need to admit that scripture is not always right, or simply claim that physics must be wrong.
Ranty, glad you've actually looked at the evidence and followed it.
That takes some guts for you to admit it rather than just running off when you're shown to be wrong. Honestly, great job.
Nathan Oakley is clearly panicking, you can here it in his voice.
Also congrats to Ranty for coming back to the real world.
Nathan is always talking like that unfortunately.
I'll bet his blink rate could power a small fan
Nathan Oakley can see his gravy train is running out of track
@@hugoboucher8103 Baffle 'em with bullshit is Nathan's M.O.
He was watching his conman lifestyle... Outed
I honestly wonder how many of them ever really were beyond the RUclips grifting. I know Ranty has done an expert job over the years proving the globe in his own footage, but I've always had a soft spot for him. Congrats Ranty, reality welcomes you back!
Honestly ranty never seemed like that bad a guy. Could probably be a decent guy to hang out with for an hourish, outside of conspiracy theories
Ranty can't be a friend of Oakley, he destroyed Oakley's angle of attack nonsense using objects on a running track.
@@marsar1775 that's indeed a thing: Ranty or STSP seemed to be people you may get along with if you avoid talking about "that thing". Even CC might. The two Nathans though, Sleeping Warrior or Quantum Eraser, to name a few: not so much, regardless of topic. Especially the two Nathans ...and very specially Nathon Thompson. Totally toxic person to have around you :(
@@hartmutholzgraefe I couldn't tolerate any of the Nathans. Riley I could enjoy a drink with if things stayed off Flat Earth. I'd love a drink with Del.
@@JohnMichaelson Del I'd actually like to have a drink with for the sole purpose of finding out whether I'd actually like to have a drink with him or not. On the other hand after the third shot latest I'd not understand any of his anymore anyway :o
I'm convinced that you could personally take a flat earther to space to see the Earth, and they would look you dead in the eye and say "This is a tv, not a window"
then you can just throw them out into space lol
They're gonna say it's a fish-eye effect from their visor so the only thing to be done is to open it
agree even better put him in a space suit and hopefully he will remove his space helmet and cry out this is a movie studio,.only he will only get as far as removing his helmet and in that micro second would realise shit the earth a globe.
While they are plummeting down to earth burning up in a space suit.
@itsjustthemo it's all good, just crack open the visor. They don't believe space is a vacuum anyway.
At least when they can't breathe and are dieing rather painfully they will realise in those final few moments that they f**ked up.
Shame they won't be alive long enough to admit it but eh. So sad.
I respect anyone who has the integrity to admit having been wrong even after first strongly arguing about the opposite. My respect for Ranty just went from rock bottom to well above average. Well done.
I thought I was wrong once, but it turns out I was mistaken.
Ranty always put in the legwork regardless of if he was wrong or not, excellent. Oh boy Oakley sounds panicked. 🤣
Nathan always seems to give his opinions to the same group of people every week. Will be interesting to see what stance he takes if he sees other flat earthers changing their tune. The way he verbally attacks some people is in very poor taste and I can only hope for him having to eat a seriously large slice of humble pie in the future.
I would also panicking if my whole income is on the line. ^^
@@Cookie_85
Yeah, once his supporters start asking him stuff like, "So you're saying ALL observations through an atmosphere are inconclusive, so what do WE have as evidence for flatness then? Black Swan is useless"?
or - "So shouldn't we be sending people to that location to take pics ourselves to peer review this? See if it was a rare atmospheric anomaly or not?"
THEN he will start to panic :)
Good one Ranty! Welcome back to reality! And well done for being able to think independently. Beware though. The flerfer community is full of terrible people who will probably attack you.
What happens when a flat-earther quits? He comes a-round.
Badump-tsss
Nicely done 👍😂
Nathan shouting and shouting as he's royally embarrassed by people talking quietly, this has been one of your best videos ever. You've just guaranteed another year's worth of flat earth Friday goodness!!!!
Proud of Ranty, but Roohif's analysis at the end of the video was simply sparkling.
I saw the livestream with catz and ranty. I'm genuinely happy for him. Took a while but we got there lol. Respect to ranty for being honest to himself.
Such a rare thing to witness someone's moment of enlightenment. Good on you, Ranty!
Rantydict Arnold!!!
There's hope after all! One flerf at a time, sweet Jesus. One flerf at a time.
Huge props to Ranty--it takes a lot of guts to say you were wrong.
It takes a increadible amount of strength. To admit that you were wrong. About something this big. Well done Ranty.
Is there a reason you broke the first sentence into three? Are you trying to make it a hiku or something? Not a grammar nazi I'm just curious what the significance of it is.
They're panicking because ranty gave them at least 60% of their material. It's a big blow really cos he is watchable.
I honestly thought that Ranty would just slowly go quiet at some point instead of ever admitting he had changed his view. Kind of amazing.
who?! hahahaa... I've been a flat earther for years and I've never even heard of this dude... I'm only here because I'm being sent sci man dan videos on the regular lol... all good tho, no hard feelings
@@days_hadd well, one day you will grow up and will stop to believe in bs you watch on youtube with no proof at all.
@@days_hadd well maybe you’ll listen to this video and get out of the flat earth room just like randy did :) hope the indisputable analysis at the end makes it clear you have a lot to think about
@@days_hadd well that’s because they have proof against flat earth,and if you want some,look up on RUclips “Destroying flat earth without science”
Her: That's only 3 inches.
Me: It's 9 inches when you take in angular size on a flat earth.
GENIUS
I wanted to like this comment, but its at 69
#shitshrinks
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@@ctakitimu what?
Nathan's speech is word salad. He strings together a lot of impressive sounding terms, but obviously has no clue what they really mean.
Exactly what I thought... word salad indeed.
Oh thank goodness... And here I was sitting thinking I wasn't as good at english as I had thought... I honestly couldn't make any sense of what he was saying. (English is my second language but I feel that I am quite proficient at it so it was a bit worrisome that I couldn't understand what was being said.)
I just thought I was thick listening to it all and not getting anywhere with it
I had no clue what he said either. He is such a idiot
Nathan's word salad smoke screen.
After 11 years as a fundamentalist Christian, it was very hard for me to admit to myself that I was wrong. Takes a lot of courage. Best wishes, Ranty.
That's really admirable! I have a similar background and looking into conspiracy theories is what helped me step away from my church upbringing. One day I realized the same critical thinking and skepticism applied to it, too.
And what is even more remarkable is that the Bible says the earth is round, or a sphere and suspended in space. So it agrees with science.
@@TheSimCaptain don’t forget it also disagrees with most of science too. 😂
Thanks everyone for your comments.
There are tons of false ideas about what the Bible says and this leads people to believe the Bible is unscientific.
The Bible says at Job 26:7 "He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing."
This is totally different to ideas of that time when people believed the earth was on the backs of animals or held up by Atlas.
At Isaiah 40:22 the earth is described according to how it appears from space, as a circle.
"There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He is stretching out the heavens like a fine gauze, And he spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."
The Hebrew word here certainly does not preclude a sphere.
In addition, nowhere does the Bible say the earth is flat.
@NonCoinCollector Hi NCC, as I said in my comment, the earth appears as a circle from space.
I used that as an example of a correct view of what the Bible says. Some of the false ideas people have about the Bible relate to death.
For example, the Bible does not teach that all good people go to heaven when they die.
It also does not teach that there is a fiery hell where bad people are tortured.
Honestly, I think it is more valuable to concentrate on what it does teach.
By the way, what is your opinion of the Bible saying that the earth is suspended in space?
I respect anyone could can change their mind based on exploring information. Good on him.
I love how they talk about "ignoring effects" when they literally ignore and disregard actual photographic evidence of the planet being a sphere
Surely if they wanted to prove that there were outside effects causing the mountains to look smaller they could take a series of photos from that location in different conditions. This would highlight whether or not they are right. But obviously they wont do this because it would prove them wrong and they are in too deep and wont ever admit it.
#sHiTsHrInKs
Photographic evidence lol that's a good one. What photographic evidence would that be? The photos they admit they are creating in photoshop to match our expectations of what earth looks like?
ruclips.net/video/R4YiOhjd9O4/видео.html
@@prodbygliderYes because it has been removed and censored everywhere. So because it only has a few hundred views that instantly makes it untrue? it's you who needs to accept reality. I was like you. I believed the earth was a spinning ball. I believed the heliocentric model. It is me who accepted reality and you who keeps on denying it. Good luck in your life on your spinning ball delusion.
@@prodbyglider ruclips.net/video/biKqrbBHDsM/видео.html
Ranty just left a cult on his own, I have such incredible respect for him.
Anyone who values and embraces truth over their own ego deserves a full measure of respect.
@@leslierhorer1412 And tbf, a lot of people who get caught up on these kinds of cults get stuck in them because of fear of other acolytes. Sometimes because of economic dependence on the cult, if it's a local group. Cults are scary stuff!
No he has pube hair
Lol..
Meet and debate a flat earther every flaturday at the Griffith park observatory aka the spinning balls church 🙏ruclips.net/video/dVKhCBnkoCQ/видео.html free globebortions 🙏 let's unite and defund all space agencies and make flat earth great again
What is really sad is the amount of abuse that is going to be thrown Ranty's way.
That abuse will come entirely from the FE brigade.
Yeah. STST has spoken about this. Hence why I understand Ranty's wish to keep it a bit low key.
the FE is a cult, and they are disfellowshipped him.
@@CChrisHolmes yeah I knew it was all pretty much gonna be the Flerfs doing it. It just seems so crazy that they get that crazy about it. Though I guess to believe the Earth is flat you gotta be a little unhinged to begin with.
Ranty, if you're reading this, and if this is true, good on you man. Change is hard, and changing for the better is harder still. Well done.
How do we know the Earth isn't falt? David Mitchell said it best, when he said. "Because someone went up in a rocket, looked out the window and took a bloody photo"
I can imagine Nathan ranting at the wall a long time after everyone else has followed Ranty.
With the vitriol the goes on between these two sides it adds an extra layer to admitting your wrong, especially publically.
Got my respect Ranty.
Kent Hovind sent me here, now I've learned science and my life has changed.
If only we can get mr hovind to understand how evolution works. That would be worth a medal
@@fpszombie1 Mr Hovind has had the basics of evolution explained to him so many times he must understand how it works, at lest the fundamentals. It's not that he doesn't understand it, it's more a question that he intentionally chooses to ignore it and misrepresent it because he knows that it blows his alternative hypothesis out of the water and without that he has no job.
@@andystokes8702 I agree with you for the most part, if you change “job” to “grift” it would be 100% agreement.
@@ilyaleytes1611 Strangely enough I did agonise over using the word 'job'. I almost replaced it with income but I totally agree with you, grift would be more appropriate.
@@andystokes8702 scientific studies have been done on the topic. Opinions or beliefs that were not arrived at via rational deduction are extremely difficult to change. Cognitive bias kicks in and the mind rationalizes away all contrary evidence.
Man, Nathan is SO UPSET. This is clearly a man who replaces the ability to admit one's mistakes with rage.
He's been in more than one domestic dispute, guaranteed.
Excellent. Ranty always struck me as a good chap in his discourses with cats and Dan. Good to know he is capable of learning.
Ranty has always been the most intelligent of the group :D and now here`s proof :) Way to go Ranty!
Goes to show that anyone can learn a little science and expand their worldview.
Well done Ranty lad welcome to a wider world.
I've been watching you and Catz for a couple years now, and I'm genuinely impressed with Catz's patience for Ranty, and his willingness to continue trying to bring Ranty back to the truth. Further, I gained a measure of respect for Ranty simply because he was willing to consider the explanation and evidence presented to him. While he's still holding to his perceptions, he's willing to accept that what he sees CAN and DOES fit within the Globe model. I only hope he remains committed to this new path and doesn't abandon logic under pressure and poor arguments from FE.
Nathan whith his eyes closed and hands over his ears going :"Lalala geometric horizon lalala perspective lalala straw man lalala optical effect lalala something involving male genitals".
Meanwhile: big mountain still obviously seen below smaller tower.
What a show!
Greetings from France!
Nailed it!!
Oakley rage makes me laugh 😂 I wonder why he didn’t say “it’s angle of attack” or “viewing angle” ... or even my favourite “it’s diffraction....” although Nathan couldn’t explain what the hell diffraction is! (Thanks Conspiracy Catz 😅)
I think he did call it diffraction or refraction (he uses the terms interchangeably anyways)
If I throw out all these big words very quickly then my viewers might think I actually believe what I say, and am not just trying to get money out of them
Oakley's favourite word is "demonstrably"
@Peasant Which Nathan? Or can they both be the most dishonest piece of waste at the same time? It is a tough contest ...
I would also like to remind everyone that Matt Powell has a giant inflatable banana in his backyard which he named Dr peel
Thanks for reminding! I almost forgot, that Matt Powell has a giant inflatable banana in his backyard which he named Dr Peel.
Congratulations SciMan "Frankenstein" Dan -- you've created your first monster! How does it feel, oh, usurper of the prerogatives of God?
Lol!
Wait, I thought Matt Plowel was the banana.....................
Interesting! Do we know the size and colour of Dr Peel, the giant inflatable banana Matt Powell has in his backyard?
Never forget the Dr Peel, the banana Matt Powell keeps in his backyard!
Looks like Ranty has come a-round!
Yay, glad to see ya cover ranty!
Hes still got science to learn, but any progress is good progress
Being willing to actually talk (and listen) to Conspiracy Cats was probably a mistake if he wanted to continue believing in FE.
It appears he was honest enough to have his views challenged., and accept the facts...eventually.
Definitely something worth praising, I imagine it can't be easy to admit and leave that circle
Geopolitics, economic trade, large scale military action, GPS, long distance amateur radio, historical migrations, mapping & surveying, archeology, astronomical observation, eclipses, moon libration : Nothing of what I am directly aware of concerning the shape of Earth makes any sense to me EXCEPT if the earth were a globe.
@@jjevans1693 Uhm... wow! Since I can duplicate the effect of an eclipse along one area, an area around that where the eclipse is partial, and the rest of the globe has no eclipse at all. as something that can be confidently and very accurately mapped out decades in advance, and that this effect only makes mathematical sense on a global earth, no... do explain this to me. And if you can't manage a little thing like eclipse prediction simulations, it would appear a discussion on gravity would just bring you down.
@@jjevans1693 You can't handle the math backing eclipse predictions decades in advance, which is child's play compared to the math backing Special Relatively. Start with what you can handle.
Jeffrey Esch appears to have vanished. How ... odd. ruclips.net/video/ieUvzy6rnnw/видео.html covers the math behind eclipses.
@@WilliamAndySmith-Romaq Its Spatial* Not that your invisible opponent likely knew the difference, some people are just head up ass oblivious
Sleeping Warrior: "I've done some quick calculations."
Everyone else: "This should be good..."
I wonder if he used a triangle calculator?
@@andystokes8702 no, no, no, he divided by zero 😀
Sleeping Warrior: "I've done some quick calculations."
Me: "No you havn't."
At least he's not getting a total calculation breakdown when someone mentions kilometers instead of miles ... ;)
I would like to see someone simulate what the image would look like if, as SW suggests, the full height of the mountains was visible, but it had somehow (magically) had the height compressed into the visible angular size in the photo.
I suspect that image of the mountains would look quite distorted and entirely different from what we see in the photo.
A lot of folks in the FE community simply believe because they want to be part of a community. They feel empowered by their fans and no matter how much you try to take that away from them, they will fight to the bitter end to keep their crowns. I applaud anyone who can admit they were wrong, and if Ranty needs support he has a whole Globe Earth community ready to embrace him and teach him the real truth.
Seconded. Ranty (if you're reading these), we are ALL here to help out however we can
True enough. The same is true of gang members, Baptists, Catholics, Anglicans, Hindus, Republicans, Democrats... You name it. Either consciously or subconsciously, people realize that working in a group increases leverage. Studies have also shown there is a real effect which can be termed "mob mentality" or "mob behavior". Unfortunately, the same is true of the "Globe Earth community". There is a small kernel of truth to the criticism that "Globe Earthers" are indoctrinated. I hear / see many people speak in support of the heliocentric model merely because they have been told their entire life it is correct. Fortunately for them, it *IS* correct, and not just by chance. The unfortunate thing is they just accept it to be the case because their teachers said it was true. To me, it is a bit depressing the vast majority of people simply believe what they have been told over and over again.
@@leslierhorer1412 TBF, one has to be very selective in one's interpretation of everyday observations to consider flat earth a more viable explanation.
I'm not a mathematician so I don't remember the numerical formulas involved in perspective, but I've been an artist for almost 50 years and I've studied both classical perspective writings from the arts and spent decades just looking and understanding. The understanding of perspective in art was actually a pretty revolutionary discovery that was not trivial. I can say with certainty with the standards that the flatties call for using observable phenomena, that there is never a time on a flat plane when an object disappears below the line of sight from the bottom up.
Simple geometry of straight lines makes it obvious. Imagine if the horizon of a vast flat plane were a tabletop. If you position the center of the pupil of your eye to intersect with the plane of the horizon, you will always be able to project a straight line from the center of your eye to the bottom of any object sitting on that plane. The object will get smaller even to the point of merging with the horizon when it gets far enough away, but only the perceived size changes, its position in relation to the flat plane it's sitting on, never ever changes. It can't.
Sorry Dan, I have no desire to lecture to your already smart viewers, but I've been thinking about how to articulate this reality from what I know from my own field of knowledge and just wanted to try to describe it here where people can tell me if they see any holes in what I'm saying while still adhering to reality.
Thanks, I love your shows.
Well - Ranty kept debunking himself, so there was really no other way to go.
Yep
Ranty knew all along, that is why Slappy and Sleepy are in panic mode, they have been rumbled.
I think he suspected, but if he had known all along, why bother travelling to that location to confirm a "globe-supporting" photo? Although me might have just been waiting for a definitive one to come out of the closet with.
My guess is that like a lot of flerfs, he was initially taken in by the argument, but over the years came to the inescapable conclusion it's a globe, and was then looking for a very good excuse to switch sides.
"We can only trust our own eyes, but if it proves a round earth it's probably an optical illusion."
Yeah, don't any of Nathan's supporters ever ask him about that? "So we should NOT trust our eyes when looking at ANYTHING through an atmosphere"?
How on Earth would Nathan or QE answer that question?
@@PaulSchober What's more telling, to me, is that they've had to take globe geometry and flatten it, and the resulting mess they're shoving onto perspective and atmospheric effects. He says we've hijacked perspective and called it earth curve, when in reality he's the one who is trying to hijack perspective to say more thsn it does, to say the equal and opposite things to what earth's curvature says, to discount the globe via the globe's own geometry
The perspective lines you get in this flat atmosphere seem very weirdly upward-curving, you know? Really strange how they do that.
They sure don't trust there eyes when it comes to sunsets, do they? They see the Sun disappear below the horizon from the bottom up, but they would rather believe the con men who tell them that never happens and the Sun is above the horizon all night long.
I always wonder how flearthers really think their eyes will show them the truth. I mean, eyes are globes...
@@Mandelbrot_Set Or the massive red glow caused by atmospheric refraction and reflection during and after a sunset, which proves the boats over the horizon reappearing thing. But they can't trust that, that's only irrefutable proof.
Ranty, you're an absolute legend. So much strength man.
Time and again i come back to this video. It is such a palate cleanser after going through all the flerf stupidity. Thank you Dan and Ranty !
A pleasant awakening for Ranty, and Nathan threw a tanty
Who didn't see that coming?
Alternative universe. Dr Peel has a giant inflatable Matt Powell in his back yard that he's named 'Banana'.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Still more plausible than the tosh MP keeps blurting out.
This is getting out of hand, soon enough we'll have people naming their family jewels after Matt Powell.
@@Nildread Who told you! 😳
@@Nildread Not so much "the family jewels" as "dropping the kids off at the pool."
"We never explained how a flat earth could ever work. So everyone trying to apply some basic math is strawmanning us..."
😂😂😂 Flatards whole argument
Wow. I been researching both ideas and smart enough to see both figures. If your to dumb to know why.
Explain N Star why it never moves
Explain how water can have a convex curve. Lake Havasu to Every lake in world wider than 1 mile. Even 1 mile the middle be 4" higher total of 8"
Explain the Suez canal how does a water way flat as fuck has a depth of 25-75ft they made it deeper. It's 120 miles long how does water make it to the RED Sea the seas meet. The Datum line. Just think about it
I just lol. Unless it's
MARK SARGENT
DAVID WEISS
ERIC dubay they aren't shit
@@AerobaticsPilot
"Explain the Suez canal how does a water way flat as fuck has a depth of 25-75ft "
Show us how you verified it's flat champ.
"Explain N Star why it never moves"
I asked you why you didn't research properly. The north star not only moves, but Thuban used to be out north star.
"and smart enough to see both figures."
So far in the other thread, you can't work out how refraction affects views, even after you had videos shown you, and you can't work out that an elevation needs a reference.
Dunning and Kruger did a study showing the dumbest people are most likely to think they are smart.
@@AerobaticsPilot
"there you said it. 25ft so explain how water can get across 120 miles of land with a datum line of 25-75 ft."
Because the datum line is referenced to the gravitation vector.
"If you are standing on 1 side and had to pull a string to other side and get level you have to dig 9600ft down just to get even ok genius."
You still haven't made any supported argument.
"Explain why water in a pool lays Flat"
Tell us how much curve there would be in a 50m pool when the curvature is 1º in 110 km, Einstein.
Next, tell us what you measured this with to confirm your idea.
Lets see your data.
@@Dr-Curious gravitational vectors kidding me. I love to see that experiment ill get a huge ball able to carve a Grove a few inches into to it with pockets of water on both ends your telling me water will flow to the other side 😆 oh since the ball is smaller you going to tell me the vectors will be different its still going to center of the earth just a little different angle tell me it will.change the pull wow
Good for him to come to his senses. I am genuinely happy that someone so big in the community can make a change. Hopefully his stepping back will cause many of his followers to do the same. It proves that it CAN be done, people can change.
When Sleeping Warrior said he'd just done the really quick calculations, I couldn't help but chuckle. That dude couldn't divide 180 by 3.
Not only that, he making wild guesses at how much of the mountain is hidden.
@@cambridgemart2075 And it's pretty damn obvious that the whole mountain is not visible.
He only works in kilometers
@@JasonHenderson Well, Nathan Thompson can't do metric, so he couldn't do the arithmetic.
He doesn't have his angle calculator
I can't believe it! Nasa started paying off Ranty! It must have been a great paycheck for him to take it! :p
😂🤣😉❗
I hope that Ranty doesn't pay them any mind. He's shown himself to be the first with a real backbone. Good on you, Ranty. Welcome back to the real world. I hope you are enjoying it.
Much respect and appreciation for Ranty and his position change after facing evidence that debunked his belief!! I’m sure it was hard for him to cross that line.
There is only the pathway to truth and Ranty found it !!! Well done Ranty 👍🏻
Good for Ranty. I always had a soft-spot for him. His demeanor is a world away from the likes of Oakley, Riley et al. He is genuine in his misunderstanding and he truly wants to learn to understand. Welcome Ranty, you are a welcome member to reality.
Absolutely. One of my favorite lines from a movie comes from The Abyss: "Stay off my side!" If Oakley et al were on our side, their behavior would elicit that very response from me. It truly puzzles me anyone lends any credit to what they say, given their behavior. Of course, the same can be said of their stupidity. All the way around, their credibility is just zero.
As a side note, can we just take a moment to appreciate the beauty of the image. My God I can't wait to go back to Blackpool. I know where I will be standing for photos and observation.
Thanks SMD.
Note he could of saved wasting 6 years of his life by observing the horizon drop from the top of Blackpool Tower with just a spirit level ...
My father used to say "Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure." That was going through my mind as Nathan's convoluted explanation was playing out. He's just taking whatever he can cram into his "proof" and just talking so much that he believes people will have to believe him because he'll impress the hell out of them with all his big words and exciting math!
Congrats to Ranty, for being intelligent enough to know that we all have a lot to learn in life. The more intelligent we are, the more we realize the scale of what we don't know. To step away from a conspiracy that has an almost cult-like devotion takes guts, and I, for one, am impressed.
Nathans voice and tone makes him sound like a very angry little man
Ranty said: show me something I can see from where I live that proves I'm on a spheroid.
This image did that.
Ranty accepted that information. If only all flerfs were this honest.
Antony Liely - "those mountains are all about 2000ft because we don't have any higher than 2000 ft in England"
Scafell Pike - "Come up here and say that you pillock.""
Scafell Pike, Sprinkling Tarn, Sty Head Tarn and the path from there to Seathwaite or from there over Brandreth and Fleetwith Pike down to Buttermere can be _very_ "interesting" in bad weather. It'd shut him right up.
@@Sableagle I know it well, having climbed it several times. From Wasdale Head, from Seathwaite via both Sprinkling Tarn and via the Corridor Route and from Langdale via Bow Fell and Esk Pike. With Lielys understanding of maps and navigation I think he would get lost before he even managed to get as far as Kendal.
Skiddaw - "Let's make a tag team"
Helvellyn - "Oi! Leave some for me"
Hopegill Head - Whiteside - Whin Ben on a rainy day probably wants a piece of this action, too.
Meanwhile, Blencathra's just sitting there, quietly waiting for another fool to try the path north of the tarn.
@@Sableagle Sharp Edge is just ready to slice 'n dice.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Ranty was already having doubts, but it’s hard to leave something he’s invested so much time and energy into.
💉🚀Citizens of our beautiful stationary flat Earth keep in mind that Nasholes, fakeX nor all space agencies can't get high enough to show homosapiens a non CGI Blue marble. Also virgin galactic still a virgin. Just rockets to nowhere 🚀 because of our dome firmament, that's right we are one beautiful family under the dome firmament on our beautiful stationary flat Earth 🙏 let's unite and defund all space agencies and make flat Earth great again 🎶💖 let's end the chemtrails, fracking, GMOs, fluoridation of our waters, DEW direct energy weapons, 5G, and obviously the experimental mutant vaccinations 💉🚀 along with the double covidiots masks 😷💉 ruclips.net/video/LtEy7bBTRNM/видео.html
@@Landoparada360
Did you watch the video? It definitively proves that the Earth is a sphere.
@@gibbonbasher8171 everyday is a new observation day, try testing same location trough out the year, but I am more interested in Nasholes why they can't get high enough?😂🤣🤣🤣
@@Landoparada360
Did you watch the video?
1:49 If you align the roller coaster in the middle of the first mountain dip like the top picture it’s the same size! This proves nothing!
Just imagine how hard it must have been to step back from a viewpoint you have literally based your entire identity on. That's a huge step to take, and I'm glad that (at least based on this comment section) people seem to be treating that difficult step with the respect it deserves.
Its like escaping any cult-style community, its something that takes a lotta effort to rattle open, and a lotta willpower for the person caught to decide to accept this opening, this is doubtless just the straw that broke the flat earth's back, one amongst many contradictions that couldn't be reconciled, its a hard thing getting out of such places
Outstanding character shown by Ranty. He could have just deleted his channel and disappeared but publicly admitting his previous misunderstanding is a very brave thing to do. I wish him well in the future.
This seems to prove he was actually trying to find the truth. Not just saying he knows the truth.
@Nomma Rillnaim one must be smart enough to realize what the truth is when it finds them.
@Nomma Rillnaim yet there are those that refuse to believe the truth no matter how evident the truth is.
@Nomma Rillnaim yes
Aaah... Sleepy Warrior... the egg-float-expert. You don't even need science to debunk him.
[Edit]: Don't forget that Matt Powell Official has a giant inflatable banana in is backyard and calls it Dr. Peel.
You mean the guy that requests you to tie one arm to your back before going to argue with him?
"We can debate, but only if you stay away from mentioning gravity"
Sleepy Warrior consistently debunks himself.
@@primonomeultimonome And after mentioning it deleting his comments
@@hartmutholzgraefe I realised that the moon is the best way to make them stutter
Welcome back to reality Ranty! Changing the world one flerf at the time. Love it!
My deepest respect to the guy, who changed his mind in view of evidence
Well done Ranty, as for Oakley and crew all you'll get is more hot air...
hot air? they're also into inflatables, don't tell me they also call him Dr. Peel and found it at their backyard?
Good on Ranty I have to say. Acknowledged he was wrong, and had the decency to say it. And I have mass respect for people like that. Also FTFE did a live interview with Ranty after he said this. Well worth a look. SciManDan, another brilliant video.
Ranty will also be debating Brian's Logic Today 10pm BST on Conspiracy Catz channel regarding Flat Earth. Definitely one to watch.
Krafty, Dr. Peel is calling. 😉🍌
@@YourPalAlRetroGamer Oh, behaaaAAAaaave!
When a flat earther quits, i believe an angel gets their wings.
Anyone else really impressed with Roohif's spread sheet and equations??....Very well played!
What's that coming over the curve?
Is it a Ranty?
Is it a Ranty?
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*snif snif* Awww....! Our little Flerfers are starting to get all growed up! Kinda brings a tear to the eye... :(
wow, ranty is actually more mature than most people i know. a lot more mature than my teacher, who simply can't accept that some theories from before 1950 have been proven wrong, and that math can be done in multiple different ways as long as the results are proven to be equivalent.
congrats ranty, you are an adult now
I know how you feel. Had the same situation happen to me on a 3 problem test and he refused to give me any credit for the problem
I've had that math problem before! Wanted me to show working out in a different method than I ever use. I ignored her and got a first in my degree in the end anyway. If you know your correct, keep doing it that way.
@@leccy9901 I came up with a trick for subtraction when we first learning arithmetic in grade school. The teacher told me it was wrong. Today in my college math classes, I still use that same trick.
@@dannydevito7000 good job!. if it works, use it!
Ranty actually wants to know the truth and was willing to follow the maths in the direction of that truth.
So glad to see the comments are mostly positive and not making fun of him.
This has woken me up, not anything unflat Earth, but the mountains around Blackpool? bloody amazing, I never knew it sat in such beautiful surroundings.
You should see if there are any nice trails in around, they look ripe for some intense walking😁
Holy fuck, this place looks amazing.
The angular heading to pixel count conversion is brilliant. Absolutely love it.
I'm often called robot for asking people 'randomly' if they want
some science-channel-recommendations.
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It hurts my heart that you have to do this much work to debunk flat earth.
Good on ya mate
I think the most enjoyable part of this interaction is "guys I think I'm back on the globe side" and flat earthers were like "...and I took that personally"
I love to hear the undertone of desperation in their voices while trying to debunk the photo
2:38 *hears the Dublin accent and cringes in Irish*
I guess flat earth really does have support all around the globe lmao
I thought the very same thing, it’s the first time I’ve heard an Irish flat earther.......I thought we were immune to that particular type of stupidity but I guess not 😂😂
Truly I was horrified to be moving to Dublin soon and hear that accent spewing this particular breed of shite.