This is NOT a normal Smash Bros Controller
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Sometimes a shorter button press could be all you need to win a set. Super Smash Bros players have been modifying GameCube controllers since Melee. These modifications are subtle enough to be tournament legal, but vital enough to give you a competitive edge, depending on how you play of course...
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"you're losing games because of you and not the controller it's you."
First off who told you I needed honesty this morning
@DonLasagna Lmao facts
Cuz you suck
"First off who told you I needed honesty this morning
" Fucking platinum shit right there
Why fighting games are great
Don’t have shitty teammates screaming and throwing games lol
@@pikatzer but still have toxic laggers and ragequitters though
That Raid legends sponsor got me lol
Grady Platero aha yeah lol
Im glad
I just moved my thumb to skip^^
@@mb2776 this is the way
Lol that was good!
The notches on the controller looks like someone took a knife to it.
Well, I mean, that's how they do?
It's funny cause that's how people used to mod theirs before these came out haha
@@ShoopzRicochet n3z does it with a razor blade and his are much cleaner
Yeah when I saw it at first I thought the video would be about how they break easily because to me that just looked completely chipped lol.
A lime would do it with more control.
“There’s no right or wrong controller to use”
Sideways joycons and wii motes sideways “finally my day has come”
Mattattaka whatever is the best for you...
Switch Online NES controller?
Bob: This video is brought to you by rai-
Me: OH GOD NO PLEASE NO
Bob: I'm just kidding
Me:Jesus
same
my hand was on the right arrow ready to skip
Honestly tho
Okay y'all freaking about raid but people gotta make money somehow
@@ynosssss Any other sponsor tho
Hot Take: The GameCube controller is bad.
Only us true gamers use the DK Bongos.
Try ne bitch guitar hero controller is the only viable one
Wrong, us REAL true gamers use the wiimote
No wait, I got a better controller.
We true gamers use the ATARI 2600 CONTROLLER.
The DDR dancepad is far superior
my brother built a controller out of a potato
That controller cost more than the switch and smash combined. 😂
Roy you got ripped off my guy Lmaoo
This is why I love this channel. They sent you free stuff, basically sponsored the video, did everything they could to increase their sales base, and Bob is like, “yeah... no. Would recommend to almost nobody.”
Classic. Thanks for the video fellas.
What's annoying is that the controller company obviously has no basis for their pricing other than "ya, we'll get some sales from that".
TheCarpenterUnion No basis? Do you have any idea how much injection molding and the dies for it cost?
The fact that only a few people are going to buy it means those costs have to be spread across maybe a few hundred people, rather than tens or hundreds of thousands
Nevir202 I agree that the underlying truth is that the market for the product is not large, while the cost of manufacturing is relatively high. This drives the price up. The problem is that by driving the price up, the market shrinks even further, and you have to wonder if the venture was even worth it. To quote one of my favorite lines ever, “Was the juice worth the squeeze”.
Patrick St. Pierre like most niche products, someone, maybe even the company owner probably wanted it.
Unlike a lot of unrealistic expectations, they’ve probably set a price where they can cover their costs given the low volume they expect.
I mean, say they cut the price in half, or even reduced it by 3/4, what do you think the market is for a $200 or even $100 controller for a system that’s not even worth that price anymore?
Nevir202 that’s possible, but the more likely scenario is that they do expect revenue growth over time. I’m not sure this product is sustainable even if it’s in a wholly unsaturated market.
Good lord, those prices. I was feeling really sold on those controllers at first but now I'd be more tempted to just buy some precision tools and try it myself.
just get your notches from n3zmodgod or topnotchcontrollers lol
SulllySorcerer same guy
Just 3D print a little circle with notches to stick over the top
3:43 shes just sitting there.... Menacingly....
@PFSnypr Yes 😖
I assume you're talking about the sylveon which can also be a dude lol
@@Zzucc i know, its just usually people refer to sylv as a girl
@@PFSnypr I'm just messin with you I understand
I will say one thing you only touched on lightly is that these controllers are much more important for melee than a game like Ultimate. You already talked about Firefox angles but there's a lot of tech in Melee that is really precise so having a modified controller is pretty much a must for any top player
8:42 i like your point about knowing when you need it, that's how i felt when i got my wide angle lens because i was like man i want my camera closer to my face but to still have a lot in frame... hmmmmmm guess i need a wide angleeee
1:32 "The Important Button Is Right In The Middle"
He's right, you can't L+R+A+Start without start.
isn't that the luigi code in new super mario bros DS?
Ahhhhug
the one thing in smash I've never been able to nail is short hops... learn about that y+a thing like a week ago and it has absolutely turned my game around fucking EVERYBODY up with the neutral airs.
It just takes practice my dude. And many characters need fast fall short hops.
Just an FYI you can press two jump buttons and get a short empty hop which is good for landing aerials and just general movement around.
@@sirgarde9256 bro I been doing this with the c stick I’m a lot faster
For one, these are wayyyyy more useful in Melee since wavedash and shielddrop notches can make certain tech eaiser.
But second, N3zModGod is who every top player goes to for modifications. Top Notch Controllers coming in at second.
Everyone uses n3z except ginger looool
Isn't n3zmodgod and Top Notch Controllers the same guy?
I can see the Switch Pro controller with notches useful. I find I prefer the extra button the Pro controller has and it's digital triggers, for Ultimate obviously. But hate the circular gate so I stick with the GameCube controller.
....n3z owns Top Notch Controllers LMAOO
@@ShinGio You're right. I hadn't heard the name TNC in a while so I guess I just remembered them as different things. My B.
Good for melee
Good for recovering with pikachu from bottom blastzone without a jump
That's prolly it
God you guys need more subs I love how enjoyable the content on this channel. There's always some giveaway or event the community could take part in and the wholesome hosts all makes an evening after work much more relaxing
Shorthopping is performed by letting go of your jump button before your character leaves their jumpsquat animation. In other words, the timing is dependent on your release of the button, not how quickly you press it. So... reducing the button height might just be placebo, I don't see why it would actually help the button release faster.
02:33 That whole description reminds me of Snake geeking out over that 1911 in MGS3
I would encourage some of you younger people/newer to the scene to google your local area smash tournaments. There’s definitely a community out there wether you play melee or ultimate! Nothing beats your first irl tournament I promise you!
When you live in the middle of nowhere :(
Ty Martin start a tournament homie
All it take is someone doin it.
Idk your age but
Try it at school
Or a bar
Or just bring some friends over and tell them to bring their friends
The competitive melee scene started in peoples living rooms with their friends
I was afraid this would get demonetized when he said “stick hole.”
Hey I know this was almost a year ago but why were you afraid? Not like you're making any money off this....
The gamecube controller may be the best according to many but there are no decently priced adapters and the 3rd party adapters have more input lag apparently. I'm not really thrilled that I'd have to spend over 100 dollars just for the adapter and the gamecube controller.
The pro controller is still really good
@@jojo6783f its near 100 dollars as well (canadian anyways) and has more input lag inconsistently (even if it's not noticeable, sometimes it could matter) also at tournaments with all the wireless signals around could mess with your controller
Yeah, TBH its BS the controller is good, but it isn't $100 good.
The power a switch gamecube controller isn't perfect but it's definitely the best gamecube controller alternative compared to what's out there I have the wireless version and it's been a much better experience than the pro controller for me at least
I Am ScArce so get an og one than
Con artists with those prices.
they help a lot for melee but for ultimate yea not worth at all
@@PopularityTroll the notches on multishine controllers for melee aren't actual values so no it's not worth getting a multishine controller at all
@@SuperLink55 honestly having a fully functional and consistent controller is probs worth like 100 at least so with something that helps with shield drops and light shields, why not. FF angles arent everything
@@PopularityTroll ye,
"you're losing games because of you and not the controller it's you."
*Me letting go of me controller completely and just watching my character continuously up-smash*
Real talk though, PROS DONT USE THIS! If you go to a smash major tournament there MIGHT be 1 person there with this controller. This controller so isn't worth it for any reason. Happy playing!
???
I got one in a raffle and it makes a very subtle difference. Not enough to win any majors tho.
Right and wrong, pros don't use modded controllers from multishine but they definitely use modded controllers from other controller businesses. For melee in particular, most of the top 50 players use a modded Top Notch Controllers GameCube controller or from another company called Battle Beaver Customs. The game demands for controllers to be good in specific aspects so that it hugely benefits the players consistency in their gameplay. In Ultimate, having a good controller isn't as important but still is because many normal controllers have misinput issues caused by snapback, lingering shield problems, or even by dust getting in the sticks causing drifting issues.
@@ShinGio yep! The pegs really help in melee. I was referring to this multishine controller.
@@mesoandy8053 gotcha 👍 my comment is also meant for others who aren't that informed of modded controllers and happen to look at this thread but ty for the clarification!
Fatality: *sad captain falcon face* 😥
_"fighting games are really easy to understand"_
i actually feel the same way lol
Im guessing he means easy to understand for viewers, which is true.
Its just 2 characters tryna hit and kill eachother from the pov of a non gamer while something like Starcraft or a Moba its just gonna look like a mess to them
@@sX-Rain starcraft isnt a moba it is a realtime strategy game, league of legends and heroes of the storm and Dota are mobas.
@@GamesPlayer1337 I know. I said Starcraft OR a Moba. Don't worry I know whats an RTS.
@@sX-Rain Damn ive made that comment right after waking up, my bad sry. :D
The GameCube analog sticks have EIGHT CRAZY ANGLES.
Never seen this channel before. I subscribed as soon as I saw the Raid Shadow Legends bit LOL
8:20 Totally fine. I'm just starting to get obsessed in Smash and already thinking about the things all the pros do to try and learn, when it comes to peripherals, it's not about imitating them, but knowing what I'll need first.
“this video was sponsored by raid shadow legends”
Me:getting ready to skip the whole thing
Shared the tournament link on the Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Meta of Smash discords. I wish I could join myself but I can't. Your videos are great and your humor is on point. Look forward to seeing more of your wacky videos.
This guy is a true gamer for not advertising Raid: Shadow Legends
Respect!
Notches dont change tilt inputs in ult since the input is detected before ur stick reaches the notch. Their usefull for getting the right angle when holding in a direction like for example optimal wavedashes or Firefox in melee.
You can still tilt attack while holding the analog in a direction. This is done on Ryu ken and terry for command normals. So you seem to be misinformed
If you hold the analog after a double jump at the top right notch, and press a button upon your landing you will do a standing light punch to the right. If you held it to the top left notch, you would do it to the left. This definitely has applications in ultimate dude. The above was something I struggled with for near 500 hours learning and mastering that precise analog placement, something those notches would be perfect for
@@TheJamesMeals Well yeah thats if youre buffering the tilt i didnt mention that. If you want a tilt in a direction after inputting a jump(or anything else) you hold on the notch during the endlag of the move before so in that case its basically the same as with the melee examples. I didnt even concider that buffered angled tilts were a big deal so thanks for pointing that out!
Coming from a Gamecube Controller modder myself. For smash ultimate one of the most useful mods to do to the controller that you did not mention, are digital triggers with a trigger plug. This converts your analog input from the trigger, to a digital button, the trigger plug gives the height in which the button activates a button press feel. Digital triggers are godlike for parrying.
Hit me up @CVSmashMods on twitter, and instagram!
Strange timing for this vid, I spent the whole day yesterday researching controllers to buy because I busted the shoulder button on my old GC controller. I was one click away from spending like $250 on a modded GC controller (at Multishine ironically enough) and at the last second decided not to instead opting to get a Japanese Import GC Smash Ultimate controller (for a still pricey $60).
I've used both the Pro controller and GC during my time with Smash Ultimate and honestly both are really good. IMO the main difference between the Pro controller and GC controllers is essentially just button layout.
I kept switching back and forth between trying to find what I preferred and, even though I have no legacy help from previous Smash games, like you mention in the video the button hierarchy on the GC is a very real thing. It actually helped me improve my play (although I am nowhere near tournament ready) as I felt myself getting more comfortable with the GC controller much faster than with the Pro. This isn't proof that one is better than the other, it's just an anecdotal note of my preference.
The one thing this video actually did do is show me that I really want notches as I main PT as well and constantly miss my tilt angles lol
PS please don't make us play on random maps, let us strike them like an actual tournament. There are plenty of third party options to help with striking maps
So pros don't really use these. I would say that 95% use a stock gamecube controller. The other 5% use a mix of pro controller and modified versions of these controllers. The notches aren't very necessary imo because they don't guide your thumb to them, you still have to hit the notch by muscle memory. And shorthopping isn't bad with a stock controller as long as you practice it. Don't use macros to short hop, not even the one where you press 2 jump buttons. It's optimal to press the least buttons possible
Optimal for him is different from optimal for everyone. If he cant consistently short hop without the shortcuts then him using the shortcuts is optimal
@@THEpicND No
Anybody can train themselves to short hop without macros. If you can press one button and you're pressing 2, that is not optimal. You're doing more work than you have to. You'll never witness somebody using the two jump button macro at top level. Period
The Saxiest you completely missed the point. He isn’t top level. His play will be better with consistency (macro) then inconsistency trying to short hop
@@THEpicND No, his play would be best if he picked the third option and practiced short hop until it was consistent. I understand exactly what you're saying but it simply is suboptimal compared to just learning to shorthop consistently
The Saxiest his human error> short hop macro inefficiency. Short hop macro is optimal for him very simple
HIM: “Who is this controller for?!”
ME: “At those prices, obviously someone who
smokes their crack with a monocle and fancy antique pocket watch” 😂
I feel like all the mods would be helpful for Mario sunshine speed running
referral madness I totally agree
Dude... you know you can use the Gamecube controller/adapter for every switch game right? It just recognizes it as a USB controller.
I think you can't use modified controllers in speedruns
@referral madness gamecube controller doesnt have enough inputs for most modern games like the stick click buttons and the extra missing shoulder button
Dude that background music is so good
Him: This video ist sposer...
Me: prepares to skip
Him: gotcha there is no ad
Me: Years of Academy Training wased.
3 years of RUclips “wased”
After the “Raid sha... just kidding there’s no sponsor”
I had to pause the video to sub and like. That was great
Just buy a hand file and you can give your controller notches for less than $5.
JC JC u can but the precise angles and making perfect notches takes a lot of time to master. Since some angles are very specific on where u need the notches to be and if you mess up u can’t redue u need to spend money on another shell
@@casual510 You can buy a CNC for less than $400, these controllers are a total rip-off.
I love the gamecube controller. Theres just something about it. Even with it not having all the buttons and features of modern controllers its still so good.
It really makes me wonder how hard some of these mods would be to do on your own. Given that they're charging quite a bit, I'm guessing these mods must be very technically hard to do, but it could be just a case of "well, no one else is doing it".
They charge a lot, but the notches are extremely bad functional wise. Real notches done by experienced modders is a bit less, and actually work functionally unlike multishine notches
Just wanted to say, for the Nintendo game cube controller adapter, you only need the black usb to be plugged in! So it only takes up 1 port on the switch.
I feel like the cutouts on the pro controller would wear out fairly quickly but idk
not if it was metallic
a true smash champion plays brawl with the wii remote on it’s side because they don’t need the handicap of melee and the gamecube controller.
NO WULFF JUST BECAUSE IT'S CALLED A BALLISTIC CONTROLLER DOESN'T MEAN YOU NEED TO SHOOT IT AT THE GUN RANGE
thought this was an anthony fantano comment section for a sec
Bob:NC is probably the best falcon
Marss: am I a joke to you
I was so close to skipping the sponsor once I heard "rai-"
Wow, this is cool! I've seen this video in my recommendations for a while, but I've always put off watching since (coming from the competitive Melee scene) I already knew that it was a notched controller. Knowing nothing about the game myself, it was awesome to see how modded controllers help Ultimate players.
Thought Bob sold his soul for a second
"When you need one, you'll know which one to get."
wise words indeed
"Look to make sure you're subscribed right now" damnn I'm one of those that was relying on home page
0:45 so please, no johns
I'm by no means a competitive smash player or even a good one, but I'd rather pay for a gamecube controller face/shell with smooth analogue contact that won't wear down the sticks over time, like the dualshock 4 does.
9:46 Each time I sneeze I shoot out way more than $400, but that's not what you're talking about.
You don’t really need notches for Ultimate
Alexander Magana Terry Bogard
I like the gamecube notches alot. Helps me b reverse consistently, and get intuitive quick attack angles
If you use a GC controller, you should try to cap off the shoulder buttons. It basically just shortens the distance needed to press the digital switch that emulates a full press immediately
I’m glad I got my GameCube controller for ultimate when it came out. Payed $30.
well i got mine in 2003... for 25... times change^^
I got mine for like 16 dollars last year
@@techno-- sweet deal
If you didnt know, you can also press both jump buttons to perform a shorthop without throwing any attack...
Personally since I play ZSS a lot of her special and tilts depend a lot on the direction you flick your stick... I suck at that making me either flip kick the wrong way, up b the wrong way, or plain out doing side b instead of a neautral b reverse... But that last one is more me than anything. The notches would help me but... A regular GC controller would be sufficient, taken to account I use Joy-Cons... My GC controller is on its way (finally) 😁
Holy shit, those notches can have so many applications for so many characters
GC controller is the best way to play Smash imo, although these mods are mostly unnecessary. The eight way notches are all you really need since most attacks will conform to this.
And a tip for people who want to take smash a bit more seriously: start learning manual short hops and don't use the shortcuts. The shortcuts are nice for casuals, but prevent you from fast falling aerials after a short hop so it limits your options.
A 'true' short hop needs a quick press-and-release on any jump button. I know some people try to quickly press jump, but it's all about releasing the button press as quickly as possible. Iirc, you got 3 frames to do a short hop so you need to press-and-release before those 3 frames are finished.
The mods are only necessary for melee but we have ucf which makes the game a little less controller dependant
Short hopping isn’t a half press, it’s a 3-frame release.
Wouldnt a “normal” smash controller technically be an N64 controller?
There shouldn’t even be a “normal” controller for Smash. The only reason the Gamecube controller is considered the normal controller is because when Melee players began migrating to Brawl, the Wii just so happened to be backwards compatible with Gamecube controllers, which was a lot more convenient than having to put up with the new (at the time) awkward Wiimote options.
The grinding sound that would happen trying to play Terry or Street Fighter characters lmao
How dare you scare me with that Raid Shadow Legends AD joke.
this is how all controllers should be made. I wanted that controller notch design since thumbsticks existed, I just never had the money to create it.
I wish Nintendo would improve the GameCube design and make it their standard controller!
ok melee fan
@@thelaxsoviet5922 I mean I'm a smash fan yeah... Never got that good at melee. I just believe that was their best design. If they want to go the route of a standard controller like ps and Xbox then the GC design is the one. Just needs some minor tweeka
@@senorsnipey1595 i was joking.
The gamecube controller was designed for smash bros. also getting plugs in your l and r buttons makes it so you don't have to press down as far.
Timmity3 it was designed for the GameCube you melons
@@timotheatae can you post where you are getting this information on the gamecube. I can't find it anywhere I heard in a did you know gaming video that what I said was the case. Also good to know that melee was 90 percent of the way done when the gamecube came out and was released around a month after its release. The original prototype gamecube controller was released at space world 2000 in which smash bros and Luigi's mansion where both announced for development. It is similar to the final version but I'm pretty sure the changes to it are for smash bros.
Man I wanna do this tournament but I'm from Australia and I'm afraid my internet won't be playable
GriWard i feel you bro
@@funtimes6406 I get that you wanna have fun times but you can't just go around feeling people, c'mon man...
Bob making competitive Smash content?
Love you Wulff Uncle.
Trading my kids' Switch Lites for more parries. What it takes to be the best 😤😤😤
Just tell them once you get that controller you start winning and eventually you can buy them real switches
Lites are fine
there is 100% science in choosing a controller, you CANNOT press B + jump on a gamecube controller for a short hop special without either rebinding the keys or using multiple fingers. there is so much science I had to comeback to this video years later
I’m top at my college for ultimate and while I do play competitively, this is way too expensive just for practicing an extracurricular
I half wonder if college esports teams would fund it. You should see if your college would make a team and fund events/equipment!
Special guests (random guys and AJ)
Also not sponsored by anyone.
And I learned about stickholes. Thank you Bob.
I'm glad I got my smash edition controller for $5 in 2017. GameStop was brilliant with there Wii clearance. 😆
LMAO classic gamestop
Lol WOW for real? Damn what a good find.
You can short-hop without an attack input by pressing both jump buttons simultaneously.
I just use a regular Switch Pro Controller. Seems fine to me. lol
Transfiguration It’s probably the second best option
A needle file set is $3.99.
I lose matches because Nintendo online connection. Is there a mod for that?
In a future maybe
You can just cut the L and R springs by yourself by just using bolt cutters. Or you can plug the triggers with lego technic pins, they will work for ultimate.
The gamecube controller was literally designed for smash brothers. That's why it's so perfect for it.
OG GameCube controllers L and R buttons have analog and digital triggers so it knows how much pressure is being applied to it. Not good for smash but it’s good for everything that came out on the GameCube.
It's absurd. A controller that works for ONE game that is the price of a brand new console is a terrible investment. I'd rather buy a PS4 Pro...
unluckyraven101 Technically it’s 4 games
@@brandon_nope Yeah but realistically, for most players, it's one.
I honestly feel like there’s quality controller design on a GC controller. The A B AND Z placement is just good for me.
I also feel like a wired controller (not just for GC) is a must.
Gaining a quality frame of input is a huge plus and online that number only goes up.
Meanwhile, I'm playing Smash with 1 sideways joy-con
That’s big cheeks. Keep it up, proud of you.
The thing that made me laugh so hard was "if your losing match it's probably you" hahahah the realest shit Ive heard
"It doesn't matter which controller you prefer..."
Melee fans rage
You can also buy the Nintendo gamecube controller for $16 at gamestop
day 100 of reminding people these are fake notches and they suck
I was literally about to grab my mouse when you said Raid Shadow Legends.
11:00 Imagine justifying spending the equivalent of a Nintendo Switch on just a controller with some spring cuts, short triggers, and knife marks in it.
Casual
@@blu3train At least I shower?
I’ve had that nyko adapter for a while, I really like it since I’ve had an OG GameCube controller for years
Most competitive players don't use these things lel.
who is this dude even? some high ass production quality for some gamer in his casa. good work lol
"This video is brought to you by Raid Sh-"
*Immediately skips 5-10 seconds*
Dude you skipped the part where he said he was kidding and it's not sponsored 😂
That trumpy check went real fast