The Young Sheldon Finale Solves A Huge Big Bang Theory Plot Hole
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- One of the problems with spinoffs and prequels is that it's hard to get everything to match perfectly. "Young Sheldon" was heading right towards that cliff, but managed to fix a major plot hole in the nick of time.
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Which show did you like more, "Young Sheldon" or "The Big Bang Theory?"
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Young Sheldon is better than adult Sheldon. I don’t like Mary in either. I think BBT is better because of Leonard, Penny, Howard, and Raj. Both have great stories.
I don’t like Sheldon in either series but Young Sheldon is at least tolerable.
Young Sheldon 😊
Young Sheldon
Young Sheldon because there is no laugh track
In TBBT, Sheldon once mentioned how the liquor store owner cried and cried for his father's passing, insinuating his dad was a major alcoholic. It would make a lot of sense for the owner to be his dad's friend and therefore cried during the funeral.
Yeah I had been waiting on that scene, especially since we actually saw the bar where he would go and how he was friends with the bartender...
Could have filled that plothole by having Couch Wilkins leave his coaching job to run the liquor store, making it George's best friend who was crying.
Actually that was a joke made during George's funeral . Sheldon probably just picked it up there.
@@fotzegamingandmedia1840 Eh that should have been set up way before though, if that was the case. But yeah he definitely did cry in the way Sheldon described it lol
@@MisaelMatute76 That's what I'm saying, I should have clarified. I feel like it should have been around season 5 that this came up.
The inconsistencies in the way Sheldon portrayed his father is like witnessing a car accident. Different angles reveal different faults of those involved.
that was the best part of it, Nostalgia Doctor Strange but in real life
In early seasons it was George Sr. who was the one to encourage Sheldon to do his nerd things and follow his genius by convincing Mary to let him do them. But a lot of what George Sr. did was when Sheldon wasn't there to observe it. As for Mary's depiction of George Sr. in "The Big Bang Theory", Mary was still mad at him for dying when he did.
The Big Bang Theory was created without an intention to do a prequel so they could make statements about Sheldon's father that were pretty surface and darker. Had they made the dad in Young Sheldon fit perfectly with that description, the show would have not worked the way it did. It would have been too dark. So I can understand that they went in a different direction, making his drinking a running gag and a bit bothersome to his wife, also a health issue, but not having a raging alcoholic in the family. Even Sheldon's siblings were not the same as his perception and description of them were in TBBT. They were much more fleshed out and endearing. Even though this is fictional, it's a good example of why people should take the descriptions of others with a grain of salt when reading someone's memoir. Perception is not "truth."
or it could have just been totally inept writing.
@@scottmcshannon6821 there was nothing inept about the writing in either show.
I think the combination of him being a child, having no social skills, and the way his mother reacted (anger against George) along with genuine care for his mother (to the point of going against his own beliefs) may have skewed his perception of who his father actually was.
He also interpreted things wrong. It was even shown in the original show that Sheldon was an unreliable narrator sometimes, and part of that was because people didn't always tell him the full story (like how bad it really was when he left after their dad died). For example, his father cheating, we know that Mary dressed up for him to spice up the bedroom and even a regular kid would get the wrong idea, and with how Sheldon already was, it makes sense that he assumed his father was cheating.
@@CamronSixx22 yeah. In some of the first seasons when asked to interpret social settings Sheldon had a lot of trouble, but Missy excelled. What people told Sheldon was what he thought was happening. In TBBT Raj and Penny sleep together and when they say it’s not what it looks like, Sheldon takes them at their word and thinks it’s a puzzle, even though it was obvious what was going on.
That is a good point. In real life a lot of fathers are under appreciated because a lot of mothers coddle their children and makes it seem like the father is not a good person.
No one ever considered that Sheldon’s judgment of a person’s character has always been incredibly flawed? He doesn’t understand people well. It was never complicated.
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They watched Young Sheldon and not TBBT
My default position when watching a sitcom is that the lead is credible. Sheldon had a high IQ and an excellent memory. And his mother was portrayed similarly to Sheldon's observations. Only in the later seasons did it occur to me that his childhood memories were still observations from a child and were biased based on his own perspective. I do appreciate that from Young Sheldon, that it highlighted older Sheldon's flaws in his memories.
Agreed. I figured long ago that the unreliable narrator was the likely cause.
He also needs his wife to point things out to him too. As he talks about how his father always did things he didn’t enjoy because Sheldon enjoyed them I just wanted to reach into the tv & knock on his head “Hello? Anyone home? That’s what you need to do for your kids!”.
It's a Tv show and not real. 😂
@@rocketfighter8 thanks troll I’m aware, go troll elsewhere. Bye Felicia!
To be completely fair, it's always been heavily implied that Sheldon is autistic. As an autistic person myself, it does sometimes take me a moment longer than others to connect things like that. He's not stupid for not immediately making the connection. He just had an already established thought on things and didn't give it any further thought until prompted to from a new perspective. That's pretty common for autistic people. That's why Amy is so great for him. She helps him out of his stubborn thought loops and gets him out of his comfort zone so he can grow as a person instead of stubbornly staying to his comfort zone as it's so easy to do. Just food for thought from a different perspective
@@littlegreensunflower3547but isn’t he not actually autistic
I think the reason he doesn't wanna come there so that his kids can hate and it be true so it won't be a lie... Suppressing emotions is a pain that's a real pain but I'm glad he finally comes around... That's what I'm getting here
Sheldon processed the loss with anger. If people recall episode of the bird he temporarily fostered, when it flew away, Sheldon screamed across the street, pissed, "Come back here so I can love you!. That's a piece of context how he handles his father's death.
2 theories:-
1. Sheldon was writing his memoir as a public figure and therefore becomes the unreliable narrator. It could be that he romanticised his Dad for the public. It also fits how Mary remembers him in TBBT.
2. Sheldon is the type to get mad at a beloved dying in his formative years which causes resentment and skews how he remembers his Dad
As someone who’s only seen bits and pieces of both BBT and YS, I️ prefer the former over the latter, though I️ think both are plausible.
I think it's #1, often times when someone passes, we tend to let go of the "bad" and focus more on their positive aspects.
I think it could be a bit of both.
I think #2 on both Sheldon and Mary’s parts. They were going through anger and felt George had deserted them
I was thinking number 2 for sure. The human memory (even Sheldon Cooper's) is biased by emotion.
Kinda figured they were going to do that to the afair George had. I'm glad they did. The rest is no big deal. Most kids have their parents wrong. Intill they're parents themselves.
the mommy kissing santa claus
George doing the vulcan salute brought instant tears to my eyes. It was so heart breaking yet touchingly beautiful.
The whole “I wish I had” story arc was touching.
his perception about his family throughout was always skewed even in the big bang show. everyone who met his sister and brother acknowledge it was nothing like how he described them. even how he describe leonard and howard make it sound like they are idiots. so it not jus this dad, it just his perception is narcissistic and toward the end of the show is when he really grew up and admit his own flaws.
There is a difference between events and perception. Sheldon told Bernadette's dad Mike that George once shot the TV. They obviously were not going to put that in a family show or George's other drunken antics.
This ! Sheldon isn't reliable in his perceptions about others character in TBBT because he was so flawed himself in being so narcissistic and self centered thus his lens is always negative. Then at the end of the series with Amy's help he began realizing just how selfish he is and starts showing actual growth when he starts to make a effort to really change. He realizes he doesn't appreciate his friends or consider them as he should ..ie his largely negative and unflattering attitude towards and about them. It makes sense this applies to others as well and over time with his emotional growth and becoming a dad too he came to realize he wasn't fair to his own . He realized he was so young that he let the anger aspect of his grief overwhelm his memories thus he went back rethought through a different kinder more loving lens and he got a better YS George. This growth and ageing in Sheldon as a person would explain the major difference in YS when he looks back on his family with a wiser more sympathetic lens.
Well... Leonard IS an idiot...
@@cisio64123 spot on
Sheldon really describe he's dad in not a good way until he matured when he meet Amy and got married that's when we knew he's not the young Sheldon anymore 👍💯
This is very much the theory I went with on the inconsistencies between Young Sheldon and TBBT. Now when it came to Mary's viewpoints in TBBT, it could be safe to say that she went through a similar form compartmentalizing her memories of George just as Sheldon did in order for her to cope with his death. It would give another deep connection between Sheldon and his mother and it also makes sense when you imagine the level of grief that Mary was going through when George died and dove even further into Christianity. Of course as we know most of the stories about George in TBBT do have some level of truth to them, from a certain point of view.
You know I never really watched YS except for lmao RUclips Shorts, but I did watch the last two episodes, and Mary's reaction at Gourge's passing really struck him; she is angry at him for leaving, and her characterization on TBBT does align with the idea that she has never really truly let go of that resentment, so most of his stories about him have that little snide tinge. But yeah, if you put it all together, it really reads like she is still a bit mad at him.
I was not a huge big bang theory fan, so I really had no desire to watch young sheldon when I heard it was being made. I am so glad I gave it a chance. It has so much more soul than I thought it would. George and Mary are certainly among the best TV parents ever written
The finale of Young Sheldon was actually one of the best sitcom finale's ever. Even better than many drama series. It was incredible seeing him 'groundhog-day' that scene with his Dad play-out over and over again complete with the Star Trek: II overtones. I shed a tear a couple of times.
"The finale of Young Sheldon was actually one of the best sitcom finale's ever.", fitting since that was the case with The Big Bang Theory as well.
There is something that resolves a lot between TBBT and YS.
How can a character have 7 years of development and end up in the place of immaturity where he starts in TBTT? Through trauma. In 2 episodes they were able to make a clear difference that brings Sheldon closer to TBBT and away from YS. Bravo.
One of the things I realized after TBBT was over is Sheldon is on the autism spectrum and it’s undiagnosed. They didn’t ever outright say it, but I was born in southwest Louisiana (not far from where Sheldon grew up) and it rings really true that he wouldn’t be diagnosed. I am on the spectrum and my mom is as well. My mom grew up in the swamps and has coping mechanisms that come across very narcissistic. But some of it makes sense if you add in trauma. Someone on another thread said Sheldon is such a jerk. No, if you look at all of it, it makes total sense he’s on the spectrum and even Jim Parsons said that’s how he played the character. But yes, you’re absolutely right about trauma and I think it affects Missy and Georgie too. I think Mary became a little bitter. Meemaw gave a hint in TBBT that her husband was a lot like Sheldon.
Tbh it makes perfect sense. Sheldon has always been unable to understand or interact well with “normal” people. And, let’s me honest, is often kinda a stuck up jerk. I just think this goes to show that Hseldon, as he became his father’s age, realized that he was unfair and wrong about his father. I know I sure see my father differently now than I did as a teenager.
There were some things that his mother mentioned we didn't see in the series that painted George as a Redneck simpleton.
For example, Sheldon got fired from the University in TBBT and held up in his room.
Leonard called his ma and she made dinner. She mentioned George as a not-so-bright man who once fist-fought a bobcat (I think) for some licorice. 😐
I also didn't see any "driving whiskey" or "shooting the TV" from George Sr. in YS either.
@@Gumbier_Than to be fair Mary herself is a very very screwed up person the more I pay attention to both shows the more I realise she pins everything on the dad and almost nothing on herself she is extremely bitter about George so it makes sense she will negatively talk about him..as messed up as that really is
Sheldon thought his father had cheated on his mother and that greatly affected the way he thought of him. When he walked into the bedroom and caught his dad with another woman, he lost some respect for his dad and that is why he focused on the bad instead of the good. He would forever remember his dad that way. Sadly the other woman was his mother dressed as a German barmaid.
No, the other woman was not his mother. I think it was the neighbour.
@@namastey8358In TBBT it was implied that it was another woman. But in Young Sheldon Season 7, they show that Mary dresses up in a blonde wig to pretend to be a German barmaid. Sheldon walks in when Mary is with George but Mary’s back was to the door. Sheldon saw the blonde hair and assumed the worst.
Adult Sheldon on TBBT did actually show a couple of times how much he really did care about his dad.
The first was when Howard’s mom dies, he makes the point of saying that when his dad died, he didn’t have anyone to help him through it, but Howard has all of them.
The second was when he shared a beer with Bernadette’s dad while watching football on TV.
These two incidents show that Sheldon loved his dad a lot more than he had previously let on.
George Cooper, without a doubt my favorite character from the show
Same !
Fun fact: The actor who plays sheldon's dad in "young sheldon", also plays Leonard's childhood bully in "big bang theory".
yeah that always confused me because I couldn’t unsee it
I've got another fun fact for you. The woman who plays Young Sheldon's mom is the real life daughter of Laurie Metcalf the actress who played sheldon's mom on TBBT.
He wasn't abused at all sure he was an drunken but he was the best loving father and husband
The actor who portrays Sheldon's father makes an appearance in season 5 episode 11. The Speckerman Recurrence. In which he plays the character Jimmy Speckerman former high school bully to Leonard.
I know that was weird
"What a puss". 😂
Sheldon is just trying to figure out his feelings.
Ma Ryan never lost her anger at George for dying, instead of dealing with her grief she ran to the church to hide from it. She was stuck on the anger phase of grief and as such to the small things of George grabbing a beer after work, or not understanding Sheldon, the earlier issues that they were resolving, the reasons and resentments that she had for being angry at George before the happy times at the end were her justifications for hanging on to her anger. By ignoring the place where they were at at the end of their time together she could stay angry. So the stories she told the derogatory way she spoke about him is all of her unresolved grief.
YS is more heartfelt and charming than TBBT
Agree but that's because it took a different creative direction. It wasn't just another cheap sitcom writing its characters as mostly one dimensional stereotypes like much of early TBBT.
Young sheldon sought to be more dramatic and I think it happened more in the later seasons especially with story lines like Mandy's pregnancy
YS had going for it being able to focus on the story and none of the laugh tracks.
@@juandiegotorres9632 exactly. Not the same style of show.
So his mother told him about the cosplay act, to show him that his father never cheated?
Shhhhhh
Is that Mary in that outfit? 🙄
no, the show showed behind the scenes of what looked like george was having an affair. it was seen in sheldons eyes that his dad cheated, but it was actually just mary dressed up.
Sheldon knew about it, it just the way he talks made it sound like some affair, not the first time in the show.
Sheldon didn't depict George in a positive way on The Big Bang Theory because he died when Sheldon was 14. That's how I see it. He didn't have friends to help him, which he mentions to Howard when his mom passes away.
For a little while I was starting to think the writers were going to leave out the part about Sheldon’s father dying suddenly, even though everyone knew it was coming. And the way it was setup was very well executed. Plus we get a glimpse of what that experience was like for Sheldon and why he was the way he was in the beginning of the Big Bang Theory. He wasn’t necessarily selfish or cynical or antisocial, he was just very emotionally unavailable after his father’s death. Plus I believe that Sheldon focused on his father’s shortcomings because of how angry he was, given the way his father met his end.
Also he was alone for 9 years while completing his degrees, until Leonard stayed as his roommate in 2003. TBBT starts at Sheldon and Leonard being roommates for almost 5 years in 2007, which is why when we (and Penny) are introduced to Sheldon's idiosyncrasies, the rest of the gang already knows. Example, Sheldon getting sick and everyone else running away from it and Penny left to deal with cranky and sick Sheldon. I calculated it based on the flashback episode aired in 2010 (s3 was about to end) and the screen showed 7 years ago from the present of the characters in that episode which is in 2010, when Leonard shifts to the flat.
@@samriddhigupta5514 presumably alone for 9 years. I think the only people he interacted with were his professors at Caltech and other people he met just in passing. Too much solitude does cause our social skills to deteriorate. I’ve seen that happen to certain people in my life.
@@dave1986R also his tendency to boast about him being smartest person in the room also alienate from rest of the people. If you watch both the shows, you notice his other colleagues/professors/ University Deans consider him weird and one of a kind(in a cringey way) which leads to alienation from rest of the society and make you antisocial. Funny thing is, he doesn't consider his behaviour weird, he thinks others are being ridiculous and weird which is so not the case which is shown multiple times in the show. Comedic aspects are: He is probably a robot ( which comes with antisocial nature), a lab accident away from being a super villain (based on how his mind works and pranks people) which are super fun to watch, funnily enough he sometimes behaves like a Sith lord from Star wars, because he believes in order and authority and uses techniques to irritate people which honestly makes people question why the others are tolerating him and also is governed by anti-Jedi emotions every now and then, but believes/pretends himself to be a Jedi(emotionally detached), only thing different being not in favour of a Death Star like stuff, coz he knows Star wars more than most of the audience 😆😆😆. I don't know the Star Trek lore but those Star Trek Spock like behaviour is also evident which explains my robot comment( I know Spock isn't a robot he's an overtly logical alien), which comes crashing down when Sheldon's intentions to propose to Amy are revealed.
@@samriddhigupta5514 True. Sheldon, like many accomplished scientists, lacks good social skills, and also has an ego the size of his home state.
@@dave1986R I edited my earlier comment please see
The finale show was so sad , it was hard . 😭
I feel like the answer here is very obvious. When they wrote TBBT, they didn't know that there would be a spin-off about Sheldon's family and childhood. The way that Sheldon's dad is described in the series adds to the laughs, there's nothing deeper to it. When they were making Young Sheldon, though, they couldn't very well spend seven seasons with an unlikeable or even abusive father. That would give the show a very different tone. So they wrote him in a way that would work for Young Sheldon. There's nothing as deep as Sheldon's way of processing grief or him being an unreliable narrator. They just needed a likeable dad for YS. It's fiction after all.
True but they did a real smart way to keep it consistent. They already wrote that Sheldon was an egomaniac who looked down on others so they used that to explain away the obvious discrepancies because like you said. They really couldn’t have a family show if the dad was a red neck
I'm curious, when older Sheldon and Amy are seen, how many years have passed since TBBT's finale, and what prompted the narration/ I'm assuming he's writing his own novel, but was that established from the beginning or just mentioned in the future scenes? Probably overthinking this, but just curious
I think the show ending with the memoir scenes implies that adult Sheldon’s narration throughout the entire show was his writing. At least that’s how I interpreted it
I've known multiple people that held on to a childhood anger at one or both parents, if just 1 it is usually the parent that is the same sex as the child. Then after being a parent for years, sometimes even matching a parent's final age, they finally see it from the parent's perspective, that they are flawed people doing the best they can, and so was mom or dad, or mom and dad.
I liked throughout the show how Sheldon’s narration didn’t always line up to what was going on. Usually for laughs. But it’s a good way of showing that the show was the “true” version of events while Sheldon’s narration was just how he saw things from his point of view
Now we just need to know why Mary kept up this idea that George was such a piece of crap. I dont think she ever said one good thing about the man in TBBT which makes you think that he was a terrible father and husband the whole time and her reliance on faith was almost an escape from him for her.
I dunno, I remember when she said something like, "He'll die at 50, but his love will be true." I'd like to think that means she thought fondly of him. Most of the stories Sheldon told were from when he was really little, so it could have been things his dad did when he and Mary hadn't been married very long and still trying to figure stuff out, themselves still having to grow up.
During Sheldon and Amy’s wedding in TBBT, Mary asks for a moment alone with Sheldon and says she wishes his Dad could see him now and that he would be so proud of who Sheldon had become. I don’t think if she thought that he was a complete piece of crap that she would say she wished he were there at Sheldon’s wedding or add that he would be proud. Sort of my thought on it. Sometimes remembering the bad more than the good makes the grief more tolerable. However unhealthy it is to think that way.
I’m not surprised. Every time a person from his family was seen on TBBT, they were never as bad as he claimed. He described his mother as basically a religious zealot who hated science. However, it always seemed more like she was a religious person who loved people and only debated science when he tried to use it to disprove her faith. Additionally, he described his siblings as mean spirited bullies who were constantly tormenting him. When in reality, his sister was a kind and loving person who only lashed out when she felt that she had no other option. Moreover, his brother was a good natured, if occasionally absent minded, man who looked after his emotionally destroyed mother after his father’s death. All the while, Sheldon was convinced that his mother was perfectly fine. Also, Georgie mentioned that he was always having to apologize for his brother to people who didn’t understand his behavior. Basically, Sheldon badmouthed his family when HE was the problem. And now he’s acknowledging that.
When Amy questioned part of what she read in the memoirs, Sheldon confirmed that his perspective was subjective, so it is clear that the line he drew in the series was quite ambiguous to be considered 100% reliable.
Sheldon thinking his dad cheated when his dad was just with his mother reminds me of the song “I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus”. I think it’s more realistic to the storyline that as kids we can misread a situation not fully knowing the truth but thinking we do
I can completely understand the "plot holes" with regard to Sheldon's memory of childhood events. My wife and sister-in-law often tell very different stories of the same event in their childhood. As others have said, different points of view yield different memories. I think YS did a fantastic job of filling in the "plot holes" that were in TBBT.
One major difference (besides the fact that actor that plays Leonard's bully ends up playing Sheldon's dad) is, of course, Meemaw. Annie Potts does a great job with the character, showing both the raw, rough-around-the-edges grandmother that loves her little Moonpie. I think that the Meemaw character on TBBT was hard for fans to like, probably due to a lack of character development at the time.
Such is life. I am the youngest of four children. We each have our own memories of every major event, good and bad, that differ. Perspective. None of us wrong, we just had a different view.
The last two episodes were great. I was surprised at reading posts where people criticized them, for various reasons. I thought they were both well done and set all of George and Mary's children on the paths we would see them on in TBBT
I think that’s what they planned on doing with the show. Showing people how human Sheldon actually was. Yes he was a genius, but he was still a young kid who didn’t know how the world worked so he’s mind began to make thing ip to fill I the the feelings he couldn’t understand or comprehend.
People called the fact that Sheldon on TBBT portrayed his dad, or other members of his family way worse than they were in reality a 'plothole' but it isn't really. These are just natural inaccuracies that were created as a side effect of one thing only: because Young Sheldon & TBBT are TV shows of two different genres, and the writing required for each of them, is different. Remember what the TBBT Mary said about Georgie and Missy on The Big Bang? That Missy & Georgie are both dumb and unsuccessful, which also, is clearly not true. So the Big Bang version of Mary, just like the Big Bang's Sheldon, also 'lied' or 'portrayed' her two other kids inaccurately. Why? Because The Big Bang is a sitcom, Young Sheldon is a normal family drama. If you rewatch TBBT, Sheldon or Mary, saying on the Big BangTheory outrageous, exaggerated things like 'George was a hardcore alcoholic' and Missy&Georgie are 'dumb' is always part of a joke, in the context of comedy, like a punchline, exactly because Big Bang is a sitcom, and the sole purpose of sitcoms is comedy.
So was an exaggeration, not a lie, and it's perfectly understandable why. The Big Bang Theory came out first, and it was a sitcom - a very specific genre, it's all about jokes and comedy, and exaggeration is like the fundament of every joke in comedy. Young Sheldon aired years after the Big Bang, and it was a simple family drama show but not a comedy or the specific genre of comedy that a sitcom is. Therefore, on Young Sheldon, everything is more toned down and 'normal' because it's not a sitcom, the jokes and laughs are not needed every minute, and this is why certain situations feel quite different, but these are still situations that Sheldon described.
Yes, it was exaggerated, and certainly, Sheldon's father is not as extreme and didn't make mistakes as severe as Sheldon said he did, but again - that's the different formulas for different genres. Young Sheldon was always planned as a warm, nice family show for entire families to watch, so they couldn't really portray George as this awful, hardcore alcoholic and cheater, so they wrote a tamed, 'nice' version of him on Young Sheldon. And because Young Sheldon aired years after the Big Bang, they couldn't simply change how Sheldon described his father on Big Bang either, that was a problem.
The creators assumed the viewers are smart enough to understand the difference between a sitcom and a family drama show, and wouldn't hold it against them or these characters. This is why when I watch Young Sheldon, I can separate the two in the sense, that I get that the comedy part of The Big Bang had to come from smth, as this was a sitcom, and came first, while Young Sheldon was a typical family drama, and aired years after TBBT, so what was done was done.
This is very well put together. I've seen few people take into account the fact that both shows have different genres and therefore the will be inconsistencies when comparing both. Hell, there were inconsistencies even within tbbt itself
There are many inconsistencies in Young sheldon that don't match in Tbbt.
1. Sheldon's first kiss. In the big bang theory when asked if Sheldon kissed anyone he mentioned he gave mouth to mouth to a nun. But we know that he had his first kiss with Paige
2. Sheldon was asked by the girls if he learnt dancing and he said that as a Texan he had to learn dancing , although Mary Cooper was against Missy dancing.
I kinda wish missy has better life in tbbt tbh.
Did he die or go undercover at Leonard's high-school and ended up being his bully?
Honestly...the show should had been The Cooper family...all the characters shined...
Heck I'm still trying to figure Penny's last name. But I'm glad mysteries have been answered regarding the Coopers.I love Big Bang more, but Young Shelly was a worthy prequel.
It's Teller - Someone managed to see the label on the package to her in S2 (Can't remember which one) and saw that it was addressed to Penny Teller (A pun on the magicians Penn & Teller) - There is debate to it being true canon but I've always gone with the idea of if it is seen on screen, it's canon
@@TheLordFlashheart Her dad was also played by Teller too.
@@lowlsqwid He played Amy's father, Keith Carradine played Penny's father
I find that this is common in most media, people don't think someone could be misremembering or lying unless there is a massive sign above them saying "LIAR!"
How to enjoy tv? stop overthinking, it's just fiction. Enjoy it.
I think the biggest glare of the two shows is that Sheldon's dad was leonard's bully. lol
Leonard’s bully was not called George on the show. The same actor played George Sr. In YS who had played Leonard’s bully in TBBT.
@@gauravipal5691 no shit. Thats what is bizarre about it. Same guy played both characters.
Simply put, Sheldon is more human than he wanted to be.
Unpopular opinion : I think it’s more realistic to the vast script differences in big bang theory/ vs: young Sheldon (although I don’t think the writers did it intentionally) it’s realistic that as children we might misunderstand/ or misread a situation only to grow up & realize we were wrong. Or maybe still remember something that wasn’t accurate.
Will they ever produce a new tv series where the male figure me husband or father is not cast as a buffoon or something like that can’t he just be a good man??
George is not a buffoon. He was a loving and protective father. If anything, it's the mothers in this show that are shown as insufferable holier than thou overbearing and hypocritical.
In the fall, "Young Sheldon" will have its own spinoff called "Georgie and Mandy's First Marriage" which should pick up where "Young Sheldon" left off. On that show, Sheldon's brother Georgie Jr. will be a husband and father who is also a buffoon like he was on his previous show.
@@salianni16 I don't think Georgie is a buffoon
the actor who plays Sheldon's father made an incredible work, i think that this was the reason to change the story line
When we were watching clips from the finale, I commented to my mom that I liked better YS because of the portrayal of Sheldon's family. And my mom said exactly that Sheldon had grown up, as a person, and being a dad changed his perspective, because that's what happened to her. She always thought my grandparents were mean to her, but when she had me and my sis, her perspective changed.
You know either way these 2 stories wind through the events of life after all the seasons we watched, the truth is we had fun watching and enjoyed the characters. Thanks to Chuck Lore and his teammates for all the fun times. Do Georgie's story well please.
So I never watched this show or a whole lot of the original so I could be totally wrong but I read an article the other day saying there was a hint in the final episode that he did cheat. I guess it was in reference to how another reacted to either hearing about his death or funeral
Damn I don't want to let this show go, and just after watching the last two, my feels got smashed again and thought about my dad passing away when I was 7 and I never told him I was sorry and that I love him.... SUch a great show! Just loved how they had each member of the Cooper family deal with his death and Georgie stepping up and Missy's anger, but also regret maybe for not taking him up on the offer for a ride to school. Also, poor Wayne, dude was rekt. Proves that George was a stand up guy and amazing father. Not to mention, Missy recollecting one of her fondest memories of her and her dad alone together. So sweet.
Sometimes when something reminds me of a difficult memory, I will try to gloss over it by making a joke out of it, or playing down the importance in some way. A lot like how every time Sheldon thinks of his dad, it hurts so he feeds that into what he says, making his dad come off as a lot worse than he really was. But the anger isn't at his dad, its at the pain of the memory.
Sheldon was amusing in the first 2 seasons, then he just became an absolute arse.
He grew up. Same antics, but as an older whiny kid (as opposed to a younger whiny one).
I like these recon because it makes sense, and it also makes sense with Mary cracking jokes I still remember when she says
“My husband always said you have to give Shelly some time”
“Sounds like a wise man,”
“No he would fight a bobcat for the last piece of liquorice”
One, I don’t think we ever heard him call Sheldon Shelly, that was always her thing. And we know George would never do that. Even in the final episode she said she hated him for leaving them (him dying) so if that just her giving another jab at him I don’t know.
I genuinely dislike how the show ended.... George dies and we get old sheldon.. like i know he is suppose to lack the emotional intellegence but man i just wanted some what of a resolve or something to happen.
I think that despite having an eidetic memory, the "unreliable narrator" was an obvious choice. Even when we remember things perfectly, we can convince ourselves the events were very different in actuality.
Also, this was a perfect way to make it happen. Young Sheldon humanised George. And the journey he took to re-remember his father in a more positive light humanised Sheldon.
I've cried so much in the funeral episode...
"Hello, you handsome American boy toy."😂🤣🤣🤣🤣Omg, I can't!😆 LMFAO! Who woulda known Saint Mary Cooper woulda had it in 'er to be so down bad, ba ha ha ha HAA!!!
She was previously wild in her younger years.
I always knew they would round it out well. They changed all the characters despite what Sheldon described them as because frankly the family Sheldon described in Big Bang, no one would want to watch that because they all hated each other. No kidding they changed it dramatically to make them more lovable and fun to watch. I like how they decided to round it out. It even gives context to how Sheldon was in Big Bang sometimes. He's been processing the sudden death of his dad for years. And I'm happy Amy could give him some pointers too. 😊
That ruled!
I would not say that. That is young Sheldon fixing The Big Bang Theory I'd say that's more so young Sheldon fixing itself.
_Subjective retelling_ 😂
I gotta start using that euphemism to justify bullshitting.
Other than the last couple shows... the whole season felt like a setup for a Georgie show. I wish I hadn't been told they were doing a show for Georgie. It kind of painted my entire attitude going into watching the season.
Its also that a dad from the 1980's would have been exactly like BBT described but when they made Young Sheldon its written by millenials and they only have modern day parents to go off of for reference so its watching a sitcom from that era with modern day people.
I think #2…in BBT Sheldon was mad at Tam for a long time.
how do you figure it was the nick of time.. the timing was PERFECT! a major character "killed off" in the final episodes was the best, it SUCKS to continue watching a show after that is done... either it does NOT work or it takes time to adjust to it.. ie blacklist, ncis etc....either of which i continued to watch after liz left (i gave it a chance) and same with ncis to many main people left the show
Young Sheldon has to be one of the best sitcom, way better than TBBT. The final episodes with George was really very sad and tearful. Made me cry. Also lifted the series more up. Another powerful moment was the hurricane scene where George was covering Misty by side of road.
How weird would it be for Lance Barber (George's actor) seeing a funeral for himself.
I can’t get over what that white box thing is behind the door is that a tall building ?
Well, it wasn't just Sheldon who disparaged his dad on TBBT, it was older Mary as well. I think Sheldon, after years of reflection appreciated his dad more but that much different from his portrayal of George as a redneck oaf in Big Bang. The funeral episode was very well done but the final episode was a bit of a let down and had way too much older Sheldon and Amy. I will miss Young Sheldon the show but happy to say goodbye to both Sheldons.
In the finale, adult Amy tells adult Sheldon that "our daughter wants to take acting lessons", and Sheldon replies that they should never have let Penny babysit. What's the name of the daughter?? We know they had a son named Leonard.
Sheldon tried to hide his pain by making up another story on his father.
I think it was a good call to show he was writing his life story this whole time
I mean its not a stretch the way he always describes his mother and siblings, and basically everyone around him. He usually embellished the truth quite a bit about characters we already know.
All children in the same family grow up in a different home, with different parents.
I have one issue with this plot line. If I remember correctly in TBBT when adult Sheldon tried to ask his Georgie for his wedding, the one said something like: "After dad death, you went to Germany and I stayed to support our family". But the YS shows something completely different? Firstly, Sheldon went to Germany way before George's death, and it's not shown if Georgie was actually mad at him for leaving to Caltech.
There were many striking inconsistencies that could never really be corrected.
Another plot hole, big bang theory, Sheldon never mentioned Georgie having a child.
I knew exactly how Young Sheldon would end. Sheldon from time to time mention that his dad passed away young. My question was when it would happen. George's passing also cleaned up a point whe Sheldon ask George Jr to come to his wedding. Jr said then, when Sheldon went to TX to ask Jr if he would come, that he was always taking care of their mother. And this showed how & when Georgie started doing that. The closure explained a lot of things.
Young Sheldon did what a lot of series fail to do and that is telling how it ends. Not just ending the last episode.
Sheldon has a tendency to point out other people’s flaws, so it makes sense that for a very long time Sheldon didn’t really look at his father’s positive traits, until his own children came along and grew up.
I didn’t feel like the plot hole was that big because, even within the scope of just TBBT, we saw him denigrating people all the time. If he was talking about someone who wasn’t around, it often wasn’t complimentary. If he WAS complimenting them, it was often back-handed and condescending. Sometimes, the joke was seeing how overblown Sheldon’s criticisms were.
So the idea that his father was another person Sheldon talked about in an unfairly harsh tone and wasn’t the caveman Sheldon made him out to be took ZERO getting used to.
Georgie & Mandy's First Marriage could reveal that Georgie takes an IQ test on a lark, scoring higher than even Sheldon. The elder brother could believe the results wrong or choose to keep them to himself. Possible explanations could be not wanting to show up his brother or the fear of the stigma he believes follows genius. Either way Georgie is a genius in his own way.
I'm so glad he was mistaken about the affair, as teh George we came to know, resisted that at all costs. it makes sense that Sheldon lacked emotional maturity to deal with it all Smart or other wise, he was still just a kid
The biggest plot holes about Big Bang Theory and Young Sheldon is that none of these geeks even do gym. What kind of geeks are they? lolz
Did anyone else see george dressed up in funeral pews at the back
Lance wanted to see what they'd say about his character...😄😄😄
Saying he couldn't process his death at age 14 so he made up stories as an adult about how awful his dad was, is not a credible justification of the things he said. When he told those stories, he was 29+ years old. He had plenty of time to process the death and didn't need to tell everyone how horrible his dad was.
I know people with doctorates in stem who are older that has the same coping mechanism.😊
did he really say that his dad was awful though? i remember him saying how dumb and redneck dad was but to him leonard who has an IQ of 160 is mediocre. so u can correlate that his dad is an avg man who have a prodigy child. he also look down on his brother who in reality was a successful business owner who took care of the family after their dad passing. so it was already hinted that what sheldon says is just his perception.
You are wrong, buddy. Try harder to recognize that your own internal state can be wildly dissimilar to that of others.
He still considered Tam not joining him at Cal Tech as a 'betrayal'. Him still telling a false version of events even years later is within his character. he was even still bitter about santa not bringing back his Pop pop. When people 'cross him, he lashes out.
@@chsparklejust ruined that guys while argument 😉
the plot hole is he never went to harvard and went to east texas tech in young sheldon.
I liked that for all the season, the show was teasing us about with whom George was going to have his affair until the ciosplay revelation, nicely played writers
I have to admit, I'm having a little trouble picturing a son of Sheldon and Amy playing hockey.
Where did that come from?
Sometimes, some good or bad genes skip a generation. It is scientifically proven that genes also capture or rather "imprint" some of the memories or skills of your immediate ancestors. For instance, your grandfather could have been a great scientists, but your father was just an ok accountant, then you see your brother or sister actually being brilliant, drawing comparisons to your grandfather. Similarly, Sheldon's dad was presumably good at sports, it's no wonder Sheldon's kid obtained the "love for sports" from their grandfather.
Does it tho?
Maybe creators wanted to "fix" the profile of Sheldon's father, in Young Sheldon show...
Our perception of our lives and the external reality is vastly different.