I had no idea liquid actually took damage during the jeep part, I thought it was just an auto scroller and you shot him so he didn't kill you before it ended lol
I dunno man, I feel like modding giant parts of the game out kinda no longer makes it a speed run of Metal Gear Solid. Its just a speed run of whatever this is.
Seriously, the whole thing that makes speed runs impressive is the different ways people cleverly circumvent mechanics of the game without changing anything to go as fast as possible. This is just lazy.
@@Z-Mikes00 speed running a game isn't supposed to be easy. It's supposed to be dependent on however the game was built. This ain't it chief. It's impatient and lazy and honestly pointless.
To answer your question, the mod does go against the spirit of the game, but only because of how the PAL key is handled. If there were no changes to the core gameplay, I'd have no problems with it. Even then, I think with further tweaks, this mod should exist on the leaderboard, just as its own explicit category.
Facts. Defeats the purpose of the game. It wasn't designed to be beaten in 20 minutes. The game is the vessel to deliver the narrative. Digital fusion baby.
This mod: it's own thing made as a fun way to see how low the play time could get with regular any % strats, stated at the end to only be a category extension Everyone: WHAT'S EVEN THE POINT. CHEATER. PLAY THE GAME RIGHT It's just. Like. For fun guys. It's a mod for fun. Speedruning is for fun. It's just a different way to play the game. Why do you watch videos on Speedruns if you hate them... I'll never understand why every comment section on a Speedrun video is like this 😭
The reason for the PAL Key change is also weird. The MGS Community tried to find a skip, but couldn’t so far… so the solution is to just mod the game and remove it? With that logic you could also say: The MGS Community tried to find a skip from the starting elevator to the end chase scene, but couldn’t… so we mod the game to just teleport you there. Thats such a weird point to make. Besides other Speedrun Communities also need to live with their stuff too, but they can’t just mod it out of the game.
NO! That is NOT MGS!!! Okay but all jokes aside, good stuff! I'm not involved with MGS speeding, so my opinion is worth exactly 1 explode rat, but I could definitely see this being its pen category!
I beaten it in 5 min with a cargobox that drove me to the end of the game. Still trying to figure out how to get the box in game as i got it from game buster codes😂
Dude i'm struggling with solidus choke... It's just a matter of how fast i tap or it has something to do with the bar? The O2 is practically full, but then solidus stops after 22 seconds and the game goes to black screen
So me speed running with gameshark cheats should count too right? No different in my eyes especially since youre making yourself invincible rather than actually using skill.
I can understand modding out cutscenes, but modding out actual gameplay? Nah, that's whack. Then it also just becomes an arms race of gradually more modded out gameplay.
I played this game on release. In 98 now I just bought a ps2 and an original ps1 version of this game which I got today. Gaming can be just like this again if you just play the old games
the people talking about make a mod that starts with the end cutscene are kinda missing the whole point of the video, it's not "I beat it this fast" it's "I'm able to play the game I love without waiting around to get to the game I love"
I dunno, if the mod would really just remove cutscenes and codec calls, all good. But that it changes the PAL Key to basically skip the whole thing as long as it’s hot, just feels to drastic as a change. Besides it’s like specifically made for speed runs and a casual player, who just wants no cutscenes, has no benefit from it. Just feels weird.
What this mod really did was prove how dead Any% is in this game, especially on PC. Almost half the run is waiting for cutscenes/codecs to skip + mindless backtracking that this mod cut out--then the execution is basically dodging the shots on the heliport and getting the Liquid combo, and maybe the underground passage skip using gme, since that can softlock if you mess it up iirc. Other than that, your run is basically decided by a coin-flip a third of the way through with Boba Skip, and Rat RNG. Sadge. All Bosses would benefit from this mod too though! haha
I didn't make it pass the intro segment. You are removing backtracking, any place in the game were you need to stand and wait something to happen, etc. Intended mechanics. You did not complete metal gear solid, but whatever the f* remained after you butchered it.
I think GME makes MGS any% more boring than this mod does. The PAL card quest is absolutely needless backtracking and waiting, so I can definitely understand wanting to skip it. But the combination of this mod, vent clip, GME abuse, and boba skip makes this feel less like beating the game fast and more into the territory of not playing it at all.
I don't care what excuse you use. A Speedrun is supposed to be challenging. This is why i consider mods the scurge of videogames and never use them. Shaving off time this way simply means you could not hack it the way it was intended. If you want to excuse yourself this is fine because of your personal issues with a game and you deserve whatever reward at the end of it is deserved then guess again. You are mediocre at best and anyone calling themselves a real speedrunner will laugh in your face and be telling you..Kojima included you are not. However if you do not really care about the speedrun and more the title because it's just no fun then congratulations champ. You got there. The best rewards are not supposed to come easy. It's called struggle..that is what makes someone a better resilliant person and actually causes you to feel like you earned it. This whole video sounds like alot of moaning over nothing. The idea anyone even considers using mods for this gem of a game much less a speedrun is already a insult to it's creator. And every other real fan out there. If you have to many games to play and can't bring up the patience just be honest about it dude. And first learn how to take the time and just play a game. You can't play them all anyway no matter how fast you think you are. But this is just a big thumb down. You could have just admitted you could not do it and be honest about it. That i would have respected. On a last note. You do know you are allowed to use the special items like Bandana or Stealth to aid in your speedrun right? This is no longer the case in the other titles. Only for Mgs-1
@@mrsharpie7899 Why don't you take one. Do i know you? I am gonna give my thoughts on it whether you agree or not. I don't care which version it is or what you consider real or fake. It is a general statement. And i was pretty relaxed when i wrote it to. But if it somehow offended you..i do not care.
I prefer watching speed runs on classic consoles such as NES super NES and Sega Genesis…. Once you have to start using mods, it just doesn’t feel legit anymore.. my opinion, of course.
Yes, it goes against the spirit of the sport, however, I think glitches and exploits do as well. You’re not speed running the game if you’re skipping parts. I understand finishing as fast as possible is the goal, but you’re not playing through the entire game so how can you say you’ve done it?
Takes everything from a real speedrun. I mean great if you can cut off cutscenes, but basically skipping quests, being invincible is kinda cheat mode. Where is the skill in the fights if you cannot die? I love watching speedruns if the skill is really impressive like in From Software runs.
Nah... Skipping cutscenes or calls is one thing (albeit already controversial, as in other games there are whole strats to skip triggers for them), but altering the gameplay is something completely different. Mod is great for practicing before full runs, but this is not MGS anymore. Where do you draw the line between 'useless waiting' and 'part of the game'? Why not just position all guards in a way you don't need to wait for them to move or turn around and can just run past them? Or start the game with all items so you don't need to waste time picking them up?
To me it feels better not having to cheat to get big boss rank I've never gotten it probably cause how hard it is but if I did i feel like it would actually feel like I accomplished something i mean doing it this way a kindergardener could do it 😂😂
I personally think this is a dumb speedrun, it's not beating the game in 25min it's just getting to the end credits in 25min. Good job regardless I guess.
I adea mod... startscreen and end screen.... you missed half the game lol this is crap lol same way i saw FFX could be done in 3H....WTF!? Play the game properly or not at all/...
Aweee the game includes cutscenes that I can't skip 😢. I don't want to play the game and participate in the backtracking/narrative. You don't really enjoy the game. You care about stroking your ego off in the corner.
What is the sense to beat up this game in 20min that have long story and great Legacy of Kojima? For what? 20min? So what? For the stupid rank? I dont get IT doesnt see the sense..
@@Hau5test ngl i want to do a mgs2/mgs3. mgs5 mod where there use the graphics to create a metal gear game. use ai voice over to create the script for david hayter and liquid snake or create a new game based of liqiud and call it metal gear liquid
New category: Only Cutscenes
Difficulty: Kojima
@@MIDNITE69 Tactical Exposition Action
Go for it
That's just MGS4
I had no idea liquid actually took damage during the jeep part, I thought it was just an auto scroller and you shot him so he didn't kill you before it ended lol
Create a mod that starts with the end cut scene. Sub 1 minute run
I dunno man, I feel like modding giant parts of the game out kinda no longer makes it a speed run of Metal Gear Solid. Its just a speed run of whatever this is.
Agreed.. may as well mod out the boss fights whilst you're at it
Seriously, the whole thing that makes speed runs impressive is the different ways people cleverly circumvent mechanics of the game without changing anything to go as fast as possible. This is just lazy.
nah this makes speedrunning the game less painful.
@@parkerdavidson5868 how? you still need to do tech and strats anyways
@@Z-Mikes00 speed running a game isn't supposed to be easy. It's supposed to be dependent on however the game was built. This ain't it chief. It's impatient and lazy and honestly pointless.
"We made a mod that skips to the end. I beat it in 5 seconds"
To answer your question, the mod does go against the spirit of the game, but only because of how the PAL key is handled. If there were no changes to the core gameplay, I'd have no problems with it. Even then, I think with further tweaks, this mod should exist on the leaderboard, just as its own explicit category.
Absolutely, if you want to extract segments of the game what is the point?
That rat had no clue what it was in for
nuclear bomb vs coughing baby energy
New category: No Cheating
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To think that in Final Fantasy X, 6 of the 9 hours of the run are spent watching cutscenes holy shit
Regardless of the cutscene mod that is brilliant. The run itself is fantastic.
At this point why not just skip straight to the credits
Mods shouldn’t count as speed run as it’s not how the game was made.
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Cope
@@ninjutsuninja5035 it's not that it "shouldn't", it *doesn't count lol. You'd never see this stuff on speedrunning leaderboards.
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Facts. Defeats the purpose of the game. It wasn't designed to be beaten in 20 minutes.
The game is the vessel to deliver the narrative. Digital fusion baby.
You created a time paradox 🤣🤣🤣
This mod: it's own thing made as a fun way to see how low the play time could get with regular any % strats, stated at the end to only be a category extension
Everyone: WHAT'S EVEN THE POINT. CHEATER. PLAY THE GAME RIGHT
It's just. Like. For fun guys. It's a mod for fun. Speedruning is for fun. It's just a different way to play the game. Why do you watch videos on Speedruns if you hate them... I'll never understand why every comment section on a Speedrun video is like this 😭
The reason for the PAL Key change is also weird. The MGS Community tried to find a skip, but couldn’t so far… so the solution is to just mod the game and remove it? With that logic you could also say: The MGS Community tried to find a skip from the starting elevator to the end chase scene, but couldn’t… so we mod the game to just teleport you there.
Thats such a weird point to make. Besides other Speedrun Communities also need to live with their stuff too, but they can’t just mod it out of the game.
NO! That is NOT MGS!!!
Okay but all jokes aside, good stuff! I'm not involved with MGS speeding, so my opinion is worth exactly 1 explode rat, but I could definitely see this being its pen category!
Why do they still keep the cutscene before last fight with Liquid ?
You can beat mgs1 in 5 min
Your should have blue box
Go to tank Then use the box
You will be in Snow Land and sniper wolf dead
Eh??
What happened to the torture scene ? ...
Isn't there a trick to heating the key card by equipping/uneqipping radidly? That could save you some time.
8:37 That guard got absolutely bodied. Brutal.
I love replaying MGS but had no idea the no-cutscene mod existed! This is a game changer!
I'm ignorant of many things concerning speed running. Can't it just be in a category of its own with the mod? Like a 'this mod' category?
I believe that's the point, if you look when he shows the Final Fantasy leader boards there appears to be a separate category for that mod
I beaten it in 5 min with a cargobox that drove me to the end of the game.
Still trying to figure out how to get the box in game as i got it from game buster codes😂
Dude i'm struggling with solidus choke... It's just a matter of how fast i tap or it has something to do with the bar?
The O2 is practically full, but then solidus stops after 22 seconds and the game goes to black screen
So me speed running with gameshark cheats should count too right? No different in my eyes especially since youre making yourself invincible rather than actually using skill.
You're pretty good 🔥
No you haven't
Yes, he did. :v
@@ozisegura4386mods invalidate it
@@ozisegura4386he skipped like half the game. he didn’t even do like 80% of the bosses and he skipped like 10 minutes using a mod
I can understand modding out cutscenes, but modding out actual gameplay? Nah, that's whack. Then it also just becomes an arms race of gradually more modded out gameplay.
Mod that removes waiting, start run by waiting. Intresting
I wonder if any of you are realizing gaming will never be like this again
I played this game on release. In 98 now I just bought a ps2 and an original ps1 version of this game which I got today. Gaming can be just like this again if you just play the old games
@7:55 "btw shh! Vulcan is sleeping!" 🤣🤣
a shoutout to FFX is what i needed, love the games and the speed scene, FFIX Is my fave!
How insane! Awesome job, shame it won’t be used
Where is that ranking?
the people talking about make a mod that starts with the end cutscene are kinda missing the whole point of the video, it's not "I beat it this fast" it's "I'm able to play the game I love without waiting around to get to the game I love"
Thanks for absolutely ruining one of my favourite childhood games 😂😂🔥🔥
>Known Issues: Everything
Finally, an honest README.
I dunno, if the mod would really just remove cutscenes and codec calls, all good. But that it changes the PAL Key to basically skip the whole thing as long as it’s hot, just feels to drastic as a change. Besides it’s like specifically made for speed runs and a casual player, who just wants no cutscenes, has no benefit from it. Just feels weird.
I've never seen anything more broken hahaha
think changing the way the PAL works is where the mod goes too far. keep it at removing the cut scenes.
What this mod really did was prove how dead Any% is in this game, especially on PC. Almost half the run is waiting for cutscenes/codecs to skip + mindless backtracking that this mod cut out--then the execution is basically dodging the shots on the heliport and getting the Liquid combo, and maybe the underground passage skip using gme, since that can softlock if you mess it up iirc. Other than that, your run is basically decided by a coin-flip a third of the way through with Boba Skip, and Rat RNG. Sadge. All Bosses would benefit from this mod too though! haha
Awesome, but in a certain way, the mods brake the spirit a little bit. I prefer Plywood's 42 minutes run for that matter
7:10 and that guard needed glasses. how come he could not notice you???
I didn't make it pass the intro segment. You are removing backtracking, any place in the game were you need to stand and wait something to happen, etc. Intended mechanics. You did not complete metal gear solid, but whatever the f* remained after you butchered it.
They should also make a mod to skip your intro... and jump directly into the action.
*than
I think GME makes MGS any% more boring than this mod does. The PAL card quest is absolutely needless backtracking and waiting, so I can definitely understand wanting to skip it. But the combination of this mod, vent clip, GME abuse, and boba skip makes this feel less like beating the game fast and more into the territory of not playing it at all.
Technically you beat it, but you used mods and glitches. What a waste of time.
10,000 attempts? How many of those are quits inside of 10 minutes? Because even at that, thats a 9-5 job for a year.
I don't care what excuse you use. A Speedrun is supposed to be challenging. This is why i consider mods the scurge of videogames and never use them. Shaving off time this way simply means you could not hack it the way it was intended. If you want to excuse yourself this is fine because of your personal issues with a game and you deserve whatever reward at the end of it is deserved then guess again. You are mediocre at best and anyone calling themselves a real speedrunner will laugh in your face and be telling you..Kojima included you are not. However if you do not really care about the speedrun and more the title because it's just no fun then congratulations champ. You got there. The best rewards are not supposed to come easy. It's called struggle..that is what makes someone a better resilliant person and actually causes you to feel like you earned it. This whole video sounds like alot of moaning over nothing. The idea anyone even considers using mods for this gem of a game much less a speedrun is already a insult to it's creator. And every other real fan out there.
If you have to many games to play and can't bring up the patience just be honest about it dude. And first learn how to take the time and just play a game. You can't play them all anyway no matter how fast you think you are. But this is just a big thumb down. You could have just admitted you could not do it and be honest about it. That i would have respected.
On a last note. You do know you are allowed to use the special items like Bandana or Stealth to aid in your speedrun right? This is no longer the case in the other titles. Only for Mgs-1
Dude, take a breath. It's just the PC version; it's already not the "real MGS"
@@mrsharpie7899 Why don't you take one. Do i know you? I am gonna give my thoughts on it whether you agree or not. I don't care which version it is or what you consider real or fake. It is a general statement. And i was pretty relaxed when i wrote it to. But if it somehow offended you..i do not care.
👉🏿👉🏿 You're pretty good
Wait... what?
This is called cheating 😂😂😂😂😂
I prefer watching speed runs on classic consoles such as NES super NES and Sega Genesis…. Once you have to start using mods, it just doesn’t feel legit anymore.. my opinion, of course.
Yes, it goes against the spirit of the sport, however, I think glitches and exploits do as well. You’re not speed running the game if you’re skipping parts. I understand finishing as fast as possible is the goal, but you’re not playing through the entire game so how can you say you’ve done it?
Takes everything from a real speedrun. I mean great if you can cut off cutscenes, but basically skipping quests, being invincible is kinda cheat mode. Where is the skill in the fights if you cannot die? I love watching speedruns if the skill is really impressive like in From Software runs.
F@&k your speed run I love that wait! 😅
Che Cazzo!.. umm Does The Rat 🪪 🐀Kill count include the 4 Enemies killed!? 😅😅 Guess if No Kill Challenge is "impossible" huh!? 🤣🤣🤣
Nah... Skipping cutscenes or calls is one thing (albeit already controversial, as in other games there are whole strats to skip triggers for them), but altering the gameplay is something completely different. Mod is great for practicing before full runs, but this is not MGS anymore. Where do you draw the line between 'useless waiting' and 'part of the game'? Why not just position all guards in a way you don't need to wait for them to move or turn around and can just run past them? Or start the game with all items so you don't need to waste time picking them up?
It's almost like you're not supposed to speed run games
I mean what’s the point lol
Prove it.
This is def not a speedrun and everyone knows it
Skipping the PAL segment is where the mod goes too far imo. Better off skipping the long-ass walk & crawl back to get the PSG1
This isnt a speedrun. This is a cheap, lame fast-forward. Skipping enormous parts of the game with GME is weak.
I don't think this speedrun can be legit
You probably have anxiety right?
Now there’s two big boss runs of the speedrun mod! Time to make it a SRDC game 🙌🏻🙌🏻
This is cool but technically this in my opinion this is still cheating
To me it feels better not having to cheat to get big boss rank I've never gotten it probably cause how hard it is but if I did i feel like it would actually feel like I accomplished something i mean doing it this way a kindergardener could do it 😂😂
I personally think this is a dumb speedrun, it's not beating the game in 25min it's just getting to the end credits in 25min. Good job regardless I guess.
GME makes me lose all respect for the concept.
Modded speedruns don't count
I adea mod... startscreen and end screen.... you missed half the game lol this is crap lol same way i saw FFX could be done in 3H....WTF!? Play the game properly or not at all/...
10/10 JK
Aweee the game includes cutscenes that I can't skip 😢. I don't want to play the game and participate in the backtracking/narrative.
You don't really enjoy the game. You care about stroking your ego off in the corner.
Isto é uma batota que não conta tempo mais rápido no jogo modificado do que original tem mais valorizado. Esse jogo mod não vale nada.
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Jesus just play a game you want to play ffs.
What is the sense to beat up this game in 20min that have long story and great Legacy of Kojima? For what? 20min? So what? For the stupid rank? I dont get IT doesnt see the sense..
Definitely useless video.
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this is good.
someone should do this for msg2.
It exists sort of since cutscene remover removes aroun 15 minutes of waiting in the game
@@Hau5test ngl i want to do a mgs2/mgs3. mgs5 mod where there use the graphics to create a metal gear game. use ai voice over to create the script for david hayter and liquid snake or create a new game based of liqiud and call it metal gear liquid
*than