Cascade Fathead II, super ribbon mics for the price, you can get them for like $200 used a lot of the time, which is crazy good price for what you get. I use them on guitar amps paired with an SM57. I have a couple of the stock ones and one with the Lundhal upgrade, they're both great!
I've got my eyes on the Stager SR-2n (made in Nashville) and the SE Electronics VR1 (designed in Austin Tx) - demos for both have been REALLY convincing!! Cheers!
the manual says... "The two dots on the ring around the microphone head mark the longitudinal axis of the 2 ribbons. When setting up the mic on a stand, make sure that this axis runs vertically".
Beyer make the best dynamic mics to my ears all around. I love My M160 as well as my M88's and M201. Those are all you need for a great drum recording.
Love the natural comedy your getting lately. You can tell you’re getting more comfortable in front of the camera and riffing naturally. Cool review, agree I would have loved to hear these on an amp. That would be my main driver for buying one.
This are great! I used to pair these with a 57 for killer tones when I didn’t have access to a 121 or 122. Super great mics. I found them kinda pleasing when I didn’t want a super sibilant high hat too!
I picked up a beyer 160 in, I wanna say december 2019 and I simply adore it, possibly my favorite mic in my collection for now. Paired it with my h4n and ntk to get some really lovely grand piano recordings, but I also absolutely adore it on my ac15.
Can't wait to get my M160 hopefully soon. Beautiful as OHs! I highly recommend them on Hihat as well - it's like the right knife to cut through the butter...in this case its even more like the suitable warm butter for the knify-hihat. Also: knee-mic! Just Killer! Anyway... Great video as always! Thanks for this review!
I happen to be a Beyerdynamic fanboy myself❣ The M 160 is an old standard that is still hard to beat, and can be used on just about anything and everything. Tony Visconti told me to get an M 160 for my voice, and hence, kicked off my love of ribbon mics. Geoff Daking of Daking Audio told me that the M 160 is his favorite and desert island microphone. Ken Scott has always used them on overheads. I saw Glyn Johns pair one with an SM57 and close mic one of Eric Clapton's small guitar amps. Eddie Kramer used one in Conjunction with a U67 and a 421 on guitar amps. Andy johns used two as overheads (only) on John Bonham's drums for "When The Levy Breaks." Like you, I use Cloudlifters too. (I use them on dynamic mics as well.) Try combining an M 160 and an M 201 TG on a guitar amp. The M 130 is a great ribbon mic too; it is figure 8 like most ribbons. Try it on bass amps 3 to six feet back. There's a great acoustic guitar stereo micing technique utilizing an M 160 and M 130. You can find the video here on RUclips. Both the M 160 and M 130 are great on brass, horn, and string instruments; and you probably won't need any compression or limiting. I recommend getting a hold of som Shure KSM313 mics, and trying using them as you would the M 160 or M 130. It also makes a great bass drum mic. Sometimes it's difficult to use either the KSM313 or the M 160 or the M 130. One thing I would love to do with the KSM313 is mic a drum kit using the Glyn Johns Technique. Using the back of the top and side mics with the polarity reversed, and the front side on the bass drum. If you can do this let us know. Two other excellent ribbon mics are the Audio-Technica 4080 and 4081. Both are active, so there's no need for any signal boosting device.
Great video Andrew! I really enjoy how you did this review cutting between the entire kit, track, and just the mics! It was great to hear how they fit in. Also, as per ribbons I have a Royer R-10. I only have one right now because that all I could afford when I bought it, so I have used it on acoustic guitar, electric guitar, and back up vocals and think it sounds great! I do plan on getting a second one and using them for drum overheads!
It makes sense that M160s wouldn't work well in ORTF. ORTF already has a pretty weak center image and using hypercardioid mics would only emphasize that. That said, ORTF can work pretty great as overheads since it clears out some space in the center for kick and snare close mics if you're getting quite a bit of size from those.
Yeahhh I don't know how you couldn't possibly know this, but the little red line doesn't actually tell you the direction of the ribbons. They actually indicate the opposite direction the ribbons are facing divided by the angle of the mic pop filter squared. Just fyi.
Dude, sick. I just got my first 4038(which is my first ribbon), but Ive definitely been wanting 1 or 2 of the 160's for awhile! I know a couple people that have really liked the 160's on high hats! I definitely want to try them on Electric Guitar too! Take care!!
Beyerdynamic has been making this Hypercardioid model and the M130 Fig 8 Ribbon for DECADES, and I would wager ALL of the MAJOR Commercial Recording Studios own them. They are as ubiquitous as: AKG C414, Sennheiser MD421, Shure SM57, Shure SM7b and the Neumann U47. Ask them to send you the M201!! It's an SM57 killer - Steve Albini describes it like this: "If the SM57 were a microphone, it would be the M201" - Hah! Keep the content coming Andrew! 👊🏻🦁
Get the M130 next so you can do MS for your overheads (or any stereo miking). I'm sure you already thought of that. I was able to use the 130/160 pair once and immediately they were on the top of my list. You could use any Figure8, of course, but for a more cohesive match ya know. Keep getting after it brother!
I've been using a Golden Age R1 MKII for Mid/Side Acoustic guitar (along with a modded mxl990) and mono drum overhead and it sounds CRAZY good for how budget friendly it is. I'd be very interested to see what a hypercardiod ribbon mic like that Beyerdynamic sounds like on a violin or cello.
Glyn Johns is my favorite engineer/producer. Although... it was actually his brother, Andy Johns, that engineered “When the Levee Breaks”, and the 4th Zeppelin album. ; )
Ribbons are probably the best kept secret in the digital music era. Nothing smooths out digital like a ribbon. And for vocals, well, just about any ribbon will do. If you like the top end of expensive condensers (like the U47 or U67 etc) but don't have 20 grand a ribbon is what you want. It's as close as you'll get to something like a classic Neumann mic from the 60s. On vocals anyway. You'll need an EQ but the good news is a ribbon will take whatever kind of EQ you got. And it'll take a lot of it. I'd suggest a good analogue EQ. Siemens W295B and a Neve 1073 is what I use but any analogue EQ will probably sounds pretty good. It'll work with digital EQ but I don't know about phase issues etc. Don't use a Cloud Lifter though. Just spend the money on a good preamp. Lots of benefits to owning a good preamp. And for vocals, I mean it's really a no-expenses-spared type situation so spend the money.
Nice vid! Just subbed. So you'd just use the 2 Beyers as OH's and a mic for the kick drum? No snare mic? Do you need a gain booster for it with drums? Thanks!
Very nice and informative review man. I have an M160 and was wondering of a CL-1 Cloudlifter would be ok to use with it, so it was good to hear that. Do you think that 2 M160s would work well as a stereo pair on acoustic guitar?
Eric Valentines uses one of these for an entire drum sound, if youre not hip to him look his channel up! He has a video explaining the technique. It'll blow your mind.
Hey dude, I hope all is well man. Are you still using the m160s? Right now I have some SDCs, and I have some LDCs too, but I am really really torn about maybe moving to m160s. I do have ribbons but my ceilings are not high enough for normal ribbons I think. Thoughts?
I love the R88 as a room, sounds very natural. I've also enjoyed R84 and R88 for guitars, but they are pretty big haha. Gotta check out those m160s! Thanks!
Wercher.... I thought the same. $699 used to be pretty cheap in a pre pandemic world. Post reset: "you will own nothing, rent everything and be happy about it."- klaus analschwab 👌🏻😤
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Which ribbon mics are you using? & What do you love them on?
Cascade Fathead II, super ribbon mics for the price, you can get them for like $200 used a lot of the time, which is crazy good price for what you get. I use them on guitar amps paired with an SM57. I have a couple of the stock ones and one with the Lundhal upgrade, they're both great!
you should try the AEA KU5a
Just got a pair of Coles 4038s. Jeez. They’re just perfect for drums, piano, and upright (just how I’ve used them so far). I’m in love!
I use M160 as a smash mic between the toms and Coles 4038 as a mono overhead. M160 has a great snare sound!
I've got my eyes on the Stager SR-2n (made in Nashville) and the SE Electronics VR1 (designed in Austin Tx) - demos for both have been REALLY convincing!! Cheers!
This is absolutely epic. Outstanding review with awesome information and demos. Keep up the great work.
Heyyyy thanks dude - I actually saw your review of it before I did mine. Love the channel.
the manual says...
"The two dots on the ring around the microphone head mark the longitudinal axis of the 2 ribbons. When setting up the mic on a stand, make sure that this axis runs vertically".
Beyer make the best dynamic mics to my ears all around. I love My M160 as well as my M88's and M201. Those are all you need for a great drum recording.
Love the natural comedy your getting lately. You can tell you’re getting more comfortable in front of the camera and riffing naturally. Cool review, agree I would have loved to hear these on an amp. That would be my main driver for buying one.
Appreciate it Greg! I’ll definitely be using it on an amp soon.
Great Test! Silky top end... I love my M88 Beyer too.
thanks for this quality review!
Now i need a pair of these.
This are great! I used to pair these with a 57 for killer tones when I didn’t have access to a 121 or 122. Super great mics. I found them kinda pleasing when I didn’t want a super sibilant high hat too!
I get so bored watching a lot of audio production/recording channels but your videos never seem to bore me. Keep up the great work Andrew!
Thanks man, I work super hard to make stuff that's not boring to me and this one was definitely flirting with boring but I would at least watch it.
I use them for OHs in a recorderman setup. Love them.
same!
I picked up a beyer 160 in, I wanna say december 2019 and I simply adore it, possibly my favorite mic in my collection for now. Paired it with my h4n and ntk to get some really lovely grand piano recordings, but I also absolutely adore it on my ac15.
Can't wait to get my M160 hopefully soon. Beautiful as OHs! I highly recommend them on Hihat as well - it's like the right knife to cut through the butter...in this case its even more like the suitable warm butter for the knify-hihat. Also: knee-mic! Just Killer! Anyway...
Great video as always! Thanks for this review!
These paired with an SM57 on a guitar cab are awesome!
Can’t wait to get a cab in here and throw it up!
I’ve heard it’s a good paring. I think some famous guitar players have used this combination on albums
Thanks for this great video, very entertaining and really informative 🧡
You guys rock
Idk what was more on point: the intro, the song or the mic performance. Great video :)
I liked the keys
@@AndrewMasters I think 'Inthagram' was my favorite
Andrew is amazing on the keys!
I see what you did there.
I've been using them as mono OH for a couple years and they are awesome, great video!
I happen to be a Beyerdynamic fanboy myself❣
The M 160 is an old standard that is still hard to beat, and can be used on just about anything and everything. Tony Visconti told me to get an M 160 for my voice, and hence, kicked off my love of ribbon mics.
Geoff Daking of Daking Audio told me that the M 160 is his favorite and desert island microphone. Ken Scott has always used them on overheads. I saw Glyn Johns pair one with an SM57 and close mic one of Eric Clapton's small guitar amps. Eddie Kramer used one in Conjunction with a U67 and a 421 on guitar amps. Andy johns used two as overheads (only) on John Bonham's drums for "When The Levy Breaks."
Like you, I use Cloudlifters too. (I use them on dynamic mics as well.)
Try combining an M 160 and an M 201 TG on a guitar amp.
The M 130 is a great ribbon mic too; it is figure 8 like most ribbons. Try it on bass amps 3 to six feet back.
There's a great acoustic guitar stereo micing technique utilizing an M 160 and M 130. You can find the video here on RUclips.
Both the M 160 and M 130 are great on brass, horn, and string instruments; and you probably won't need any compression or limiting.
I recommend getting a hold of som Shure KSM313 mics, and trying using them as you would the M 160 or M 130. It also makes a great bass drum mic. Sometimes it's difficult to use either the KSM313 or the M 160 or the M 130.
One thing I would love to do with the KSM313 is mic a drum kit using the Glyn Johns Technique. Using the back of the top and side mics with the polarity reversed, and the front side on the bass drum. If you can do this let us know.
Two other excellent ribbon mics are the Audio-Technica 4080 and 4081. Both are active, so there's no need for any signal boosting device.
Great video Andrew! I really enjoy how you did this review cutting between the entire kit, track, and just the mics! It was great to hear how they fit in. Also, as per ribbons I have a Royer R-10. I only have one right now because that all I could afford when I bought it, so I have used it on acoustic guitar, electric guitar, and back up vocals and think it sounds great! I do plan on getting a second one and using them for drum overheads!
It makes sense that M160s wouldn't work well in ORTF. ORTF already has a pretty weak center image and using hypercardioid mics would only emphasize that. That said, ORTF can work pretty great as overheads since it clears out some space in the center for kick and snare close mics if you're getting quite a bit of size from those.
Yeahhh I don't know how you couldn't possibly know this, but the little red line doesn't actually tell you the direction of the ribbons. They actually indicate the opposite direction the ribbons are facing divided by the angle of the mic pop filter squared. Just fyi.
Dang bro. How you so big brain?
@@AndrewMasters I just spend a lot of time on this here internet thing
Dude, sick. I just got my first 4038(which is my first ribbon), but Ive definitely been wanting 1 or 2 of the 160's for awhile! I know a couple people that have really liked the 160's on high hats! I definitely want to try them on Electric Guitar too! Take care!!
That’s so sick. I just need a set of Cole’s and a rca44 and I’ll be good!
@@AndrewMasters the rca44....oh man...so so good!
@@AndrewMasters Haha Totally!!
Beyerdynamic has been making this Hypercardioid model and the M130 Fig 8 Ribbon for DECADES, and I would wager ALL of the MAJOR Commercial Recording Studios own them. They are as ubiquitous as: AKG C414, Sennheiser MD421, Shure SM57, Shure SM7b and the Neumann U47. Ask them to send you the M201!! It's an SM57 killer - Steve Albini describes it like this: "If the SM57 were a microphone, it would be the M201" - Hah! Keep the content coming Andrew! 👊🏻🦁
Bro the 201's are so damn good. I'm currently loving them on toms.
Beats a SM57 on guitar cabs too.
I keep wondering why the SM57 became so popular in the first place. 🤔
@@error8418 They were popularized in the US - not so much in Europe 🤷♂️
I used to use the Cascade ribbon mics. Super cheap and got the job done. What was in front of it mattered more
Fun video. Cool review.
Thanks again!
Try it on guitar cabs (specially overdriven) with a 57. That's heaven
Never tried this mic. I’ve got one ribbon mic and love it so never explored other ribbon mics. sE Electronics Rupert Neve RNR1
Get the M130 next so you can do MS for your overheads (or any stereo miking). I'm sure you already thought of that. I was able to use the 130/160 pair once and immediately they were on the top of my list. You could use any Figure8, of course, but for a more cohesive match ya know. Keep getting after it brother!
I've been using a Golden Age R1 MKII for Mid/Side Acoustic guitar (along with a modded mxl990) and mono drum overhead and it sounds CRAZY good for how budget friendly it is.
I'd be very interested to see what a hypercardiod ribbon mic like that Beyerdynamic sounds like on a violin or cello.
Hey Andrew. Have you tried the Royer R10?
But the r10, but the 121 and the 12
these are the mic Glyn Johns for OHs on Bonham for "when the levee breaks"
Good to know!
I enjoyed the review.
The legacy and history cannot be discounted for sure.
Jimi Hendrix purported liked the M160 on his room mic for guitar.
Glyn Johns is my favorite engineer/producer. Although... it was actually his brother, Andy Johns, that engineered “When the Levee Breaks”, and the 4th Zeppelin album. ; )
Dude's rockin' some badass "keys face"
Lol gotta love 'keys face'
Ribbons are probably the best kept secret in the digital music era. Nothing smooths out digital like a ribbon. And for vocals, well, just about any ribbon will do. If you like the top end of expensive condensers (like the U47 or U67 etc) but don't have 20 grand a ribbon is what you want. It's as close as you'll get to something like a classic Neumann mic from the 60s. On vocals anyway. You'll need an EQ but the good news is a ribbon will take whatever kind of EQ you got. And it'll take a lot of it. I'd suggest a good analogue EQ. Siemens W295B and a Neve 1073 is what I use but any analogue EQ will probably sounds pretty good. It'll work with digital EQ but I don't know about phase issues etc. Don't use a Cloud Lifter though. Just spend the money on a good preamp. Lots of benefits to owning a good preamp. And for vocals, I mean it's really a no-expenses-spared type situation so spend the money.
Interesting. I think you’re right. Ribbons do seem to make digital more natural sounding
I need a pair so badly
intro had me hooked
Try it as mono OH and the stereo mic as room
Do you need a cloudlifter even when using them as over heads?
Yeah, I prefer them for sure.
Great vid! My fav overhead mic other than old oktava ML's. Try em' XY, but tilted for the snare to be center, fantastic sound.
Bonham´s drum sound on Kashmir was recorded with two M160s placed in the middle of a huge entrance hall of an old mansion.
That’s the technique that was used for Led Zepplins “when the levee breaks” from what I’ve heard / read.
Nice vid! Just subbed. So you'd just use the 2 Beyers as OH's and a mic for the kick drum? No snare mic? Do you need a gain booster for it with drums? Thanks!
bro your kick is so nice....
Thanks man!
A comparison to the SE Voodoo 2 would be interesting
It's magic on toms
Is a ribbon a good idea on a tom? Arent they super super fragile? Even the air could mess them up?
😐 “I don’t know how to say it.”
😂🤣 killing me bro
It is what it is!
@@AndrewMasters haha I own one, and not sure if I even know how to pronounce it.
My M160 is vintage. Are the old ones more thought after?
I just picked up a couple of these - love that ceiling mount stereo boom. Which one did you use?
Any suggestions about master bus limiter or compressor?
Very nice and informative review man. I have an M160 and was wondering of a CL-1 Cloudlifter would be ok to use with it, so it was good to hear that. Do you think that 2 M160s would work well as a stereo pair on acoustic guitar?
Totally, I use them as a stereo pair all the time. Not on acoustic, but on drums and room mics.
Why did you use a Cloudlifter in front of your preamp? I would have thought that preamp would have plenty of gain for that mic.
it lives on my guitar cabs straight on, it doesnt like to be angled on, then run through api channel strip. better than royer 121 to me.
Eric Valentines uses one of these for an entire drum sound, if youre not hip to him look his channel up! He has a video explaining the technique. It'll blow your mind.
He was the inspiration for my entire studio build, and basically everything I do haha. Love that guy.
@@AndrewMasters That makes so much sense!!!
Hey! Great video. Mind if I ask what drum sticks/brushes you’re using on the full kit?
Hey dude, I hope all is well man. Are you still using the m160s? Right now I have some SDCs, and I have some LDCs too, but I am really really torn about maybe moving to m160s. I do have ribbons but my ceilings are not high enough for normal ribbons I think. Thoughts?
I love my M160 too . Have you tried them on toms? Man ... it’ll blow your mind
Sorry to bother but what are you using on your middle tom?
hmm.. there are two toms. Using the m201's on the toms.
@@AndrewMasters Thanks man. I love your work dude!!
Beyerdynamic m160 vs shure sm81 for overheads?
I love the R88 as a room, sounds very natural. I've also enjoyed R84 and R88 for guitars, but they are pretty big haha. Gotta check out those m160s! Thanks!
Hello, did you tried M130 pair?
Are the red dots pointing inwards towards eachother?
couldnt believe how it sounded on that acoustic tho...
How would you compare it to 1/2 of your R88?
what tambourine is that?
Holy smokes! Andrew plays leftie, too?!
ohhh... haha i see what you did there...
lol I refuse to mix drums audience perspective, I’d rather flip reality.
Thanks for your review. I want to get 700 bucks to get it!!!!
Wow, sure enjoyed the vocal test. :-(
Sorry Jeff, plenty of channels with those on this mic. I just make the videos I want to see.
Does anyone have any experience with the A.R.T. ribbon mic?
Killer everywhere. Throw it on a guitar amp.
699$ in non-US countries in corona times is a lot. And how the world would look like after financial gre-at reset?
Living in Germany certainly has some benefits to it: Current price on Thomann is 454€.
Wercher.... I thought the same.
$699 used to be pretty cheap in a pre pandemic world.
Post reset: "you will own nothing, rent everything and be happy about it."- klaus analschwab 👌🏻😤
with a little help from my friends
It’s so easy to love 850€ mic… Try to love my 30€ stagg mic 😂
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