Yamaha Revstar RS620 vs Revstar RS820CR
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Comparison of the Yamaha Revstar models RS620 ($699) and the RS820CR ($999). Both guitars are stock.
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To me they sounded very close. I might pick the 620 only because I like the inlays on the fretboard.But, I do like that reddish color of the 820.
Both very fine guitars, the 820 is definitely the better sounding unit, cleaner, louder! Is it worth the extra coin? That's a personal choice.
👍 To this video!
it's coz of the bridge.
I also think it's because of the bridge.
I found the 820 more crispy tone! I think for the bridge!
Yeah I have the same theory!
I heard the same, 820 sound more bright sparkling , may be more scooped less mids but wider range of frequencies !? Is it just the pick ups ? Or the different bridge, or the thickness of mapple top ? Anyway better tones but worth €200 more ?
I like the sound of the RS820CR.
These are seriously impressive guitars, regardless of the price. Love the tones you pulled here man.
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@@andyk9735 thankyou, that's awesome!
I own an RS820 and an RS520 with the P90s. They both feel and play very similarly to say there's about £300 between them. I will say though that there's just something about the 820 that just edges it out in front. I'd argue it's probably down to the tonepros bridge because it just sustains great and the feel is just there. I wouldn't feel bad in the slightest though if I could only have one or the other. Seriously underrated instruments IMO. You'd easily be dropping £2k+ on an equivalent Gibson.
I agree 100%
i beleive its 502t not the 520. 520 does not have p90s. İ have 620 and i m lookin for 502t bovden green one they are great
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I prefer the fretboard inlays of the 620 but the sound of the 820. If I were to buy the cheaper 620 do you know if a bridge swap would be possible ((820 to 620)? I assume they both have p-90’s which is why you’re thinking the bridge is the sound difference maker. It would allow me to get the look I prefer and use the money saved to purchase the bridge.
It seems odd to me that the 620 has the fancy inlays while the more expensive 820 just has dot inlays. I figured it would be the other way around
100% mate. It's not a deal breaker, but they do kill the vibe a little.
wow ..didn't notice til you pointed that out...does seem odd.
Yeah, the inlays look so much better. Dumb decision to not include them on all of the series and locking tuners as well.
Was thinking the same watching the vid. I don't actually mind the dot inlays but to have the split inlays on the less expensive model and dots on the more expensive...makes no sense
Have the 502T and now the 620. Side by side with the 820 in store and the 620 won out..
I've been looking hard at both these lately. They both sound excellent. Not a huge difference in tone here, the 820 maybe a little brighter. For the price difference I really like the 620 and the inlays on it. I have the 502 p-90 wraparound bridge version. It has a nice crispy tone and plays as good as anything I have or had in my 35 yrs playing. Great comparison video.
Great guitars! They both feel pretty much the same from what I remember!
Both are great. I own a 320 and love it. I customized it with a Duncan Custom 5 in the bridge and Jazz neck, chrome speed knobs, and a pull knob which doubles as the tone knob for coil splitting. A supreme rock and roll machine! But I'm also thinking of getting an RS 420, which is the next level up. The stock pups in the 420 and above work better for me than the stock pups that came in the 320. Not that their bad pickups, but they just weren't quite where I wanted the tone to be. It's perfect now.
820 is have more good sound in term of clarity , sharpness.. but the different is not much... in my opinion if you like vintage sound, playing 70's - 90's rock style, i go with 620 , have more PAF sound that 820.. but for modern music ( fusion, jazz , rnb ,etc) i'll go with 820
Excellent. Thank you for playing the same thing on each guitar. My ear likes the 620 best but the tones are very close.
What is the fretboard material on the 620, it looks dark like ebony. All of the ones I've seen have a light colored Rosewood. I prefer a dark fretboard.
On my 620 there is a dark colored must be rosewood.
to my ears RS820CR has a bitier bridge pickup. I can't say if it's better or worse though. I honestly don't see the point of buying the expensive one
Yeah! Actually, when I play extremely softly, the 820CR has a little more clarity, almost positive that it's because of the bridge, but it's very subtle.
Also, to my ears listening on my beyerdynamic 990 pros. The 620 sounds a little warmer which honestly, I think I prefer on that guitar, the 820's slight more bite also makes it sound a little thin to to me. but its slight, like you have to make a point to listen for it
also note, on fuzz neck, i can't tell the difference between them at all.
Yeah! In reality the pickups are kinda dark. If I played a strat through those same settings it would be pretty thin.
They are both reallly close. I recently acquired a RS620 and for the money? It is an absolute dream. I wouldve had to spend 2k or more just to get a solid MIA Standard Les Paul that comes close. I do think the 820 has a hair more upper mids BUT that could just be the fault of the wind. Since again they are custom wound every set will sound a hair different here and there
I prefer 820, more brightness, more crispy ❤, sounds more rich and more harmonics.....
Very informative video, thanks man!
The upper mids are definitely better sounding on the 820. That guitar will cut through a mix better than the 620. That works better in a live or studio situation. I have a RSP20cr. That guitar is so good. I want to try the 820 and 620 just see the difference. Great Demo. 😊
Not enough difference that couldn't be overcome with some twiddling of the appropriate knobs.
Thanks for watching! My opinion too.
Not much in it with these guitars but the 820 has just got something slightly sweeter in the tone.
Nice review and awesome playing. I own the 620. Great guitar. But to me smthg important sucks. The neck is to heavy and when you play standing up you constantly have to raise the head which tends to plunge. Its really annoying.
Hi..do u ever play the latest revstar line up.?how do u compare it in feel wise?neck,weight,fret and etc
Wonder if you can just buy the RS620 and then order that bridge piece from the RS820CR from yamaha and swap it out...seems like it would be a lot cheaper way to go.
Nice playing, I really liked the chords, and it was nice to hear someone shredding with a fuzz sound. I think there times that the 820 was a little brighter sounding than the 620, but overall, they seem quite similar. I hadn't heard of these until a few months ago, and I have yet to find one to try. Since you own the 620, I'm wondering if you tried the P90 version, and what your thoughts are about it.
I own the Revstar 502T (with trapeze tailpiece and P-90s). I very general terms, I'd say it's got more snarl and bite with its highly expressive pickups. Cleans up wonderfully when rolling the volume off, too. For comparison, I also have an older USA Reverend Slingshot Custom and a PRS CU22 Soapbar, both guitars with three P-90s, and my Revstar not only stands right alongside them but has its own sonic identity. That said, I wouldn't mind getting either of these guitars next! lol
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820 if I had the money. Be happy with any of the Revstar range as they are all awsome..👍🇦🇺
I made this video 2 years ago and I still love my 620. Great investment
@@CamiloVelandia I eventually went for the 502T in Bowden Green. The P90’s are that bit of perfection I was missing in my life. Probably my favourite guitar. Others may come and go but this one is staying..👍🇦🇺
Guys i dont know for wich guitar to get, the pacifica 612 or this revstar 😓
Seriously tasteful playing. Awesome note choices and phrasing. Was not expecting that from a demo. Subscribed!
They have different wood mahogany of different species
It’s the bridge that makes the difference in sound.
Guys I have a RS620 and 502T and in my opinion those are the best models! I tried RSP20 (Made in Japan) and the RS820CR and they both came of sounding thin and less heavy than the RS620, which is the one meant to sound like an SG/LP-ish classic sound. To me the RS620 is the winner. RS820CR sounds too thin and no character despite beautiful design and looks.
Same here,I have these both models too,I love them.
Planning on picking up the 502t tomorrow
@@PunisherOfDeath101 Let me know how it feels and sounds!
Wrong!
I ended up getting the rs820cr. Your wrong about it.i got mine pared with the legendary jc120. Tone is buttery. Nether thin nor too fat. Sound is neutral, and the guitar is super versatile.
Not much in it. The 620 seems a little warmer, other than that very similar
It's surprising that the more expensive 820 has less fancy fret markers...
Very true, I own the RS820 and when I purchased I thought the same thing myself but overall the RS820 is great in every way.
Thought they both sounded good and a lot closer to each other then I would have expected. In truth I like the sounds of the 720b pickups better but I hate the bigsby vibrato bar that comes on that guitar. Still leaning towards the 620. Nice playing.
2:25 That phrygian chord 🤤🤤
Very very good and usable comparison. The Platin Gisa Even better
Awesome playing, your notes are so clean and crisp we can really hear everything. Thats aside the sweet guitars course
The song difference is negligible to me, especially if you put it in a mix. I think like most things it comes down to how it feels since most of your sound is coming from the amp then pick-ups
I agree!
In the clean sound there is a slight advantage to the 820, in overdrive there is no difference. They are completely identical. Whoever buys the Japanese, does not buy because of the sound, but for the more meticulous look probably
Hey man, idk if you own the MIJ, but does the price justify the difference between rsp20cr and 620? I am eyeing the 620 tho.
Really enjoyed your playing on the demonstration video. Rich, soulful, and tasteful with a beautiful musicality to all your phrasing.
That 820 is killer it’ll be a classic in years too come
I agree!!! Thanks!!
I'd like to play both, but there was a "fullness" to the 620 that caught me. The 820 almost, especially in the middle, seemed to have that low-cut switch engaged. Terrific demo, and great playing!
Great playing. For the 620, is it a solid maple top or veneer?
It's mahogany body and flame maple top!
820 has more bite. Also 820 pups have lower output than 620. PEACE
thanks for the tip! I agree, a little more bite.
RS820の方が倍音多く含んでbluesに合ってる。
RS620はキレの良いSharpでedgeの効いたsoundでRockなフレーズを弾くのに合ってる。
Really beautiful demo
I have the 620 and i think RS 620 more grazy darker sound than RS 820...you can try
Both have the big neck?
620 looks far better
Tje 820 is cleaner, sharper but not by much. Prefer the charcoal colour. Clearly both are amazing guitars!
820 has a larger frequency range.
Agreed
The 820 cr sounded a bit brighter but that really could come down to strings and pickup height no difference there if your buying either I think the rs620 looks better with the flamed top and the split block inlays, but I also really like the cafe racer look reminds me of my dads older bikes , nailed the idea , I have the rs720b and a rs620 on route I genuinely have gone full circle on these guitars, such a beautiful made instrument with great specs and feel for the price
Could you detail please how this guitar looks like a motorcycle? The handlebars perhaps or the tyres? I remain confused in the midst of such PR bullsh*t.
@@suereed if you're a biker , you may understand the point, on a "cafe racer" you mod your bike, mainly small handlebar, minimum features to focus on riding, and a tank stripped down from any color, down to the bare aluminum on which you may paint stripes; this is what the color and brushed finish with stripes are all about , as well as just 2 pot , flat top, light body, the only minimum but essential to rock! I'm a biker as well as a guitarist, and Yamaha has a XSR lineup of motorbikes whose finish is quite like that of the RS820CR/RSP20CR . I have tested the Revstar RS620, it's a very good sounding guitar, cleaner, more comfortable than a Les Paul, I better compare it to a SG Special.
vanted to like very dood design but sound, kinda muted hollow switch to les paul video and
Some drummers have the best guitars. What’s the deal?
Thanks for video
Did you try rs420 before ?
What do you think for rs420 comparing with rs620 ?
I don't own a 420, but I've heard that they're amazing too!
Excellent demo. Both sound very similar.
Hey Camilo I also have the RS620, the tension feels a bit tight. I tried to slightly 1/4 straighten the neck it was slightly a bit too much relief (I dunno eh) - still good saddle height. Stretched the strings really good. Still feels a bit tight, how do you have the bridge and saddles setup. Thank you in advance and kudos to your great guitar playing. I enjoyed it.
I can think of two solutions. Some guitars are just always gonna be tight because of the scale length. First idea, tune to Eb. That will ease the tension for sure. If you don't wanna do that, then lower the string gauge. I like how 10's feel in mine. I have a couple strats where 10 feels tight, so I use 9's.
@@CamiloVelandia yeah it is weird right? Not sure why Maybe this guitar need 9.5 or 9's? I will try that. What is the height of your bridge?
@@spchaledonnj68 mines pretty low. Tension was tight out the box but ever since I have started hammering on it that settled. If you are not 100 percent you could always take it to a trusted luthier nearby and ask their opinion even! I got stuck on a previous guitar I owned and ended up making everything worse. Gave up. paid a luthier, and it was like a whole new instrument
@@ZacharyRyanMusic89 so what I did was I found a RUclips video of this guy that put the bridge all the way down as far as it would go to the body max. Then just adjusted saddles and weight relief to preference. That worked perfect. Before these steps it was never right.
@@spchaledonnj68 interesting! Yeah that’s how mine came. Not ALLL the way down but super close
The better bridge (Tonepros AVT-2) adds a bit of extra clarity / note separation with its brass studs and inserts.
I however am quite fond of the darker/warmer default character of the pickups and even their being hotter than some pickups advertised as a vintage paf.
You can improve note separation via pick/strings/lowering the pickups on the 620 too. I for one don't really feel this need. Lovely guitars and lovely series in general.
I'd rather add a 502t to the guitar rack for more clarity / single coil character than upgrade from 620 to 820.
For those looking for a more clear and transparent tone, it's really either 720b (the one with filtertron style pups) or the japanese rsp20 models.
I agree
Spot on. I have the RS620 and found that the pickups really need to be set low to get that string separation.
@@rtbmusic1135 If you also find they lack highs, you can't really bring those by lowering them, you have to grab another set. By contrast I find the RS720 pickups (those faux filtertron styled set) quite appealing with plenty of highs and enough restraint on the lows to get tight rhythm sounds and squealing harmonics even from the neck pickup. They're lower output than the stock 620 pickups, but not a huge gap.
They are pretty dark pickups, but I don’t mind. Sometimes a darker sounding guitar is useful to have.
@@rtbmusic1135 fusion leads for instance work well on middy, darker pickups, with smooth harmonics and nice legato runs.
Prefer the 620, think you made the right choice.
The expensive one has an overall brighter tone, maybe a bit more inspiring?
Yeah a tad brighter for sure!
Great playing ! Both guitars have good tones.
Great comparison. The 820 sounds better to me.
I own the 620. Really Nice guitar. Good sounding and perfect finish. The only issue IMO is the weight of neck and head. Too heavy making it unconfortable when playing while standing up. Your opinion?
Thanks for watching! I never felt the neck to be heavy, but I do feel the neck is very particular. I always over-bend on this guitar!
Very tasteful playing. Very organic tones
Thanks Andrew!!!!!
I wont worry much between which of the two. What so frustrating is its already Feb 2021 and still I am not getting any updates if these two models will still be available in our country.. I have been waiting for this since Aug 2020.
what country?
@@diddymies UAE
Pretty much the same. Both nice!
Fantastic playing!
I prefer 820!
Do you know the Space String? Thanks
I prefer 620 and bought one. Love it.
Do these have locking tuners? Sweetwater specs suggests they do not, but the $899 models with the Bigsbys do.
The two I have don't have locking tuners. Tuning is not bad at all. I haven't felt the need to get them.
@@CamiloVelandia Good to know! After your video I wanted a couple of others and both of them said the tuning was surprising stable, too. Yamaha really does make a great guitar and at a great price. Thanks!
I just don't know why they made the 820 sound so thin.
To my ears, it doesn't sound thin. Sounds thicker than my Les Paul.
Indiscernible between the 2. I owned the 820CR . It came with a buzz in the bridge. I contacted tone pros directly and they were really cool. They sent me out a replacement and gave me a return label for the buzzing bridge so they could research it and correct any manufacturing defects. The replacement bridge was great. They didn't have too, they could have said send it to Yamaha. That being said this is a magnesium bridge so no real tonal difference between the 620 bridge. I liked the guitar but it was neck heavy so I let it go. Loved the bridge pickup though!
nice!!! I don't play it live often so since I'm sitting down the neck weight hasn't gotten to me yet
I totaly agree. On my 620 neck is plunging. Thats too bad. Its only great for playing sitting and not standing up. On the new series with chambered body i guess its even worse... they should chamber the neck lol! However great finish and feature. Except for the weight unbalance and the loose chinese tonepot. I had to change it for a good US one. Bad.
I got an rs650 few years back, upgraded the nut, changed the saddle to a tonepros and made a steal pickguard, what a great little guitar design.
Nice!!! You're giving me some great ideas there!
@@CamiloVelandia are you gonna mod it, iv been building copies of my revstar with 24 frets and carved tops
No douth they all great guitar
how heavy is the 620 compared to your other guitars like an lp?
Lighter than a Les Paul for sure
@@CamiloVelandia do you think this is worth it over some gibson studio or epiphone lp custom?
addendum: I can afford the rs620 at the moment but I could also save up more for the 820, is there really a huge difference in terms of feel in the neck?
Ill take 2 of 420 😘
Hey man, nice review! What about the stability of RS820 when playing with strap? It's neck heavy or balance well?
Someone commented that they got rid of it because the neck was heavy. It is a little heavier than a strat, but I don't find it to be a problem at all. An SG feels weirder.
@@CamiloVelandia thanks for the info. I am looking to buy one of those. Maybe with a leather strap that don't slip it will be ok!
What do you think, this rs820cr or prs s2 standard 24?
Pretty different guitars. PRS has a whammy bar, so if you want that, then that's a plus for PRS. Your best bet is to play them both. I don't own a PRS, but have played them. They're good guitars, they feel and sound very different to this. I don't know that one is better, but you'd have to play them and see what works for you best.
Great playing...both beautiful...never owned an Indonesian made guitar but these are making me want to try. 820 sounded a bit more bitey.
Great axes indeed!!
How s the difference of it comparing the 820cr VS the 502T? As both of these models are kinda popular... Thanks
Great review! I’ve been considering a Revstar (or 2), myself.
they're awesome. I just modded one of them and I love it even more. Will post a video soon
I'm trying to decide between these two myself, thanks for the awesome demo. Your playing reminds me a little bit of Richie Kotzen in places.
P.S. I wish the 820 had the cool fret inlays! The dots aren't a dealbreaker, but they do dampen down the awesome vibe a little.
which one did you end up with?
@@jeeeeev I went for the 820 in teal. Really nice guitar
I have the 620. Loving it. Btw great playing dude 👍
thank you! It's an amazing guitar!
The only difference I heard was 820 Bridge pickups sounded a little bit better
They use the exact same pickups, I think the subtle tonal discrepancy is down to the bridge itself.
@@andyk9735 yea it's weird also there is £200 difference? Wtf
I'm trying to decide between the two, and would like to know, besides the appearance / bridge, what merits the hike in price. They seem very similar.
@@andyk9735 me too
@@andyk9735 what did you end up with?
What about the playability, how does it feel
Love them!
your a great guitarist!! love those last staccato runs, sounds sweet
Thanks jim!!!!
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Me recomendarían la revstar RS620 para rock
Si! Totalmente funciona para rock.
Fantastic video!
Gracias chocko
Nice playing.
thank you John!
Stainless steel frets?
Nope nickel on all the range
I just bought a 620, do you know if I can substitute the existing bridge with the tonepros?
I think so. Theyre both two bolt bridges, I dont see why not
@@CamiloVelandia do you think the big "screws" are compatible?
@@ammx8492 ... or you could take a look at all the wrap around bridge offerings to perhaps find something even better than AVT II then.
@@andreil1234 any suggestion?
@@ammx8492 Three things to consider:
1. Some bridges may require changing the inserts as well, so light luthier work, in order to fit different sized/better inserts. Some will fit the existing posts, but you need to take measurements of the screws.
2. Since the guitar's fretboard radius is 13.75", therefore closer to 14" than to 12", you will find that most wrap arounds target the 12" radius. You can have the saddles shaped/shimmed to make it flatter, bu tthat's also extra work. Otherwise, all four inner strings will have the action a bit higher (I really don't think it would be a problem at all in real life).
3. Mind the specs of the aftermarket bridges, some wrap arounds are a bit tall and you might find you cannot lower some enough to get super low action (if you're into that).
That being said, here are some suggestions which you might find interesting:
- Graphtech www.graphtech.com/products/brands/resomax/resomax-wraparound-bridges
- ABM abm-guitarpartsshop.com/ABM-GUITAR-PARTS/Wraparound/Modern-Adjustable/ABM-3024:::256_88_122_123.html
- Schaller schaller.info/en/bridges/351/signum
- XGP (this one might be too tall for sure but looks interesting) www.guitarfetish.com/XGP-Brand-SOLID-BRASS-Slick-Guitars-wraparound-Bridge-_p_13877.html
- Vox Max Connect reverb.com/item/5430189-vox-maxconnect-wraparound-bridge
- Schroeder www.schroederguitarhardware.com/products/schroeder-original-stoptail
You need to look into them and decide for yourself. There are more, but I find these the most interesting! Cheers.
What? No verdict?
My verdict is that the 820 is a little bit brighter, probably because of the different bridge. They booth feel about the same and play about the same. Intonation is good on both.
The 820 for me. Your delivery looked and felt more inspired on the 820 I though.
Worth the extra... probably.
Beautiful axes 👏
thank you!!!!!
Great Video. Check out Lauro Cox demo of the line up as well as Ander tons. Personally I think the RS620 is closer to a classic Les-Paul thick sound which is warmer which I love and the RS820 has a thinner sound on the higher notes which I do not like. To me it's like Les Paul-is (RS620) and the SG (RS820).
I also prefer the inlays on the RS620. I would recommend the satin orange burst of the RS620.
My personal favorite is the RS502 with P90s.
I'd say my Les Paul and my RS 620 sound very different. Both very cool instruments!!!
Yamaha is stupid, they don't brand the pickups so it is impossible to know until you play their instrumental how different they are.
A lot of companies do that. I took a pair of humbuckers of my Gibson SG once, and it took me days to figure out what pickups they were.
The real difference is the staff cost due to where it's made.
Edmund Choy they’re both made in Indonesia
620 Has nicer inlays . they sound almost the same
420 opinions?
I haven't tried that one, but I've heard it's very comfortable to play