GRINDER REVIEW: Timemore 078/064, DF83v, DF64 Gen 2, Gevi Grindmaster, DF64v
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
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TIME CUES:
0:00- Disclaimer
1:08- Overview
1:43- DF83V
6:36- Gevi Grindmaster
13:41- DF64 Gen 2
14:50- DF64V
15:29- Timemores
18:22- Beans not Machines 
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I have satiated my urge to buy new grinders by watching what is an equivalent of a giant mukbang of gear. Thx Lance!
I upgraded from the built-in Brevile Barista Express grinder to the Timemore 078s and its like Im born again
Lance- thanks for the great vid as always. I have the DF64V and personally love how the feed shoot comes apart in two pieces as it allows be to very easily clean everything out with a brush. I appreciate how easy they made doing that.
64V owner here. Love it and so glad I’m in the land of chill pill and enjoying the cup quality over my previously owned Eureka Mignon. If you have or are considering anything in this lineup, just get what you like. This is like an all star lineup here.
078 non-S owner here, really nice to hear what you had to say about this one specifically. And did not expect the burrs to be considered your top three! So glad I managed to grab one.
A new Lance tagline “BEANS NOT MACHINES”
Thank you for offering a balanced approach and not a “buy this now” philosophy.
I really appreciate the shout out @8:55 Lance! :)
DF64V owner here. I love how small and quiet it is. Since buying it half a year ago, I've had it stall with light roasts at 600-700 RPM, and had to tighten the screw on the grind setting indicator ring with the included hex key. At least it's easy to open up and fix. No complaints about the grind quality, and Lance's video on slow dosing conveniently not only improves that but also eliminated any stalling issues.
Can recommend this grinder for anyone wanting a small and quiet all-rounder for espresso and filter, but if I were buying one now I might save money and get the Gen 2, which wasn't out yet when I bought the V.
I don't think there's anything quiet about the Df64.
Why do you need 600 RPM? I just use it on 1800 for espresso only and never stalled
I have the df64 gen2 - the only thing that bugs me so far is it‘s absolutely deafening noise. Hope for you that the V is quieter 😅
@@bluemystic7501 The DF64V is in fact pretty quiet with its brushless motor.
@@hegyitaho For filter coffee.
Thanks so much for this video. I ordered a DF64V yesterday then saw you were posting this today. Lost a little sleep but you confirmed that I should enjoy my choice and not worry about every little upgrade and new grinder. Whew….
Team 078S reporting in!
Team "ordered an 078s in May and still waiting" also reporting in...
Hi senior, I am team C3S ... Still newbie, please be nice.
@@orideconblingbling I've been using a C2 for quite some time with a Bialetti moka pot. I fully approve of your path!
I love the workflow of my 078S so much more than the df64
Yep, love it. Had the 078s since Sep 23. Frankly it has been transformative, it's consistent, I can rely on it to produce what I intend and the flavours I'm getting from lots of different beans in most cases do represent the roasters intent. Great grinder.
Good stuff as always! And nice title too! Thank you for listening to my advice under the previous vid!
quick thing on the warranty - they don't void it if you swap the burrs yourself, but rather will only do so if the issue is causing by incorrectly having installed the burr
Great video! That ending is exactly what I was looking for! I love my Sculptor and never had any intention to get rid of it but I was just wondering how it stacks up against EVERY grinder, including Weber's expensive art pieces. I expected the outcome but glad to be confirmed! Timemore has made the best bang for the buck grinder by far!
I answered in the poll about channel direction "more nerdy, more beatbox". Thank you for listening your community, im content
Perfect video Lance, honestly the best overview without too much detail. Very well balanced and fast paced.
Lance, really appreciate this video as I'm looking to upgrade from a SGP. What would you recommend between the Timemore 064/064s and DF64 if I want filter + espresso?
Great Lance. Very sweet. And calm this time around. Thank you. ❤
Thank you, Lance. I own a DF65 v1, that I know how to use, so I'm fine for now. I may go for an upgrade when augers are more mainstream and developed.
Thanks for the PSA up front. That was perfect.
I appreciate the message you concluded on; it’s one many home enthusiasts need to hear. Focus should be on performance, cup quality, and relative value for money and availability; the last of which seems to be mostly overlooked by reviewers, including yourself. Why even mention the Zerno in this video when the grinder isn’t even available for purchase?
I love the grinder reviews and comparisons more than any other videos on this channel.
Great video, as always Lance! I would have loved to see the Niche Duo in this round as well :). Perhaps next time.
Thanks for the video Lance :) i choose to stay manual because of you and bought the Pietro... I love it even if i have to do a workout every morning :D
As always Lance. You make me chuckle in a great way. “Poker face”.
I’m at the point where the only reason I want a new grinder is that I’ve started doing espresso a lot more and I have a non-ESP Encore so I’m just saving up for an all-around grinder (and trying my luck on your giveaways 😅). For someone like me, who wants an upgrade for that reason, and is looking for something in this price range, this was a hugely helpful video.
I've had a DF83 for over a year. It can make great coffee, but it's also helped me understand I want out of a grinder. 80mm blind sweet lab burrs, an efficient auger and prebreaker, vertical burrs, and a deionizer. Hopefully such a grinder is released soon and doesn't cost $3K lol. Great video!
What would you recommend for someone looking for a grinder under 1k
@@themessenger2356 That all depends on what you're looking for. Do you typically prefer conical or flat burrs, single dosing vs grind by time vs grind by weight, do you care about ground retention, what's your preferred workflow, acceptable noise level, etc.
The top end of grinders in that price range tend to be from Timemore, DF, Eureka, and Baratza. Personally, I'd check out the Timemore Sculptor (either size), DF83V (or 64 gen2 if you want to try different burrs without breaking the bank), and the Eureka Oro Mignon XL depending on what features you want.
The detailed explanation of Grinder is very helpful.
thank you
Commented on discord and got some very good feedback there, I'm definitely getting the 078s
@17:35, this is exactly why I don't mind static on my DF64 gen1. Static tends to attract chaff more than coffee. The problem is RDT gets rid of most of the static. You love one thing and hate another :) In any case, this DF64 is here to stay for a long time.
Great video! I appreciate the repetition dissuading buyer’s remorse
Hey Lance! Thank you for this comparison review. Do you have any opinions on the Fiorenzato Allground Sense Grinder?
Hey, nice videos! I saw in past video of yours (Delta Q Ride Review) that you live in Portugal. I'm starting to love the expresso making flow and I find very hard to find speciality coffee, do you have store that you recommend?
I'd love to see your thoughts on the DF54!
Got the df64 gen2. It works absolutely perfectly…no static, 0,05g retention, good looking. It is just a bit loud 😅
Finally got my Kickstarter 078 after almost a year of waiting. A few minor niggles about the workflow (popcorning / beans stuck in the hopper when using RDT), but oh man the cups I've had with it are amazing. Glad I stayed patient, and at the $500 opening day KS price, it's just insane value.
Interested in seeing the Gevi Grindmaster more, looking forward to watching all of this!
This video made me feel good about my grinder!
Thank you!
Thanks for the PSA Lance, just here for the entertainment! I’m still very happy with my Timemore hand grinder ❤
I got a Timemore 064s Launch Day for net 100€ because I also bought a 078s and sold it for rrp. I am happy with my purchase.
I have a df64gen2 on order in which I plan to convert to my dedicated filter brew grinder with some brew burrs. And maybe have a good gbw grinder for espresso. The Allground sense looks like a really good option right now but not much reviews out.
Thanks for the great advice and you’re so right about who has the biggest best grinder! 😂
Is there a preference for an espresso and filter grinder in that lineup?
Oh man! I’m happy with my DF64 v2 SSP unimodal. Thanks For the vid.
I can brew really good coffee at home, so I’m not looking to buy anything new. I just like to hear you talk about coffee stuff 🤷🏽♂️ And the singing I like that as well ✌🏽
I like to upgrade every 5-10 years, and these videos are a great snapshot of what's new.
Hi ! Just a little note on the df64V. You Can also buy a slow feeder to avoid any stalling and reduce the feed rate 😉.
Thanks for that great summary video. I have a Ceado E37SD and i am curious about your thoughts for it.
Excellent vid Lance! Many thanks!
Thanks Lance!
I only just upgraded my grinder to the DF64 Gen 2 with the SSP sweet lab burrs. Coming from a cheap and dirty ~50 buck grinder that I've been frustrated with for the past years, I am basically in heaven right now.
For me, the bellows aren't an issue at all - but then I don't seem to be experiencing that much retention in the first place (I don't even use a spritz of water)
Yo I got the EXACT same setup as you! The grinder is great, no retention, and so far its grinding everything greatly except for this ultra light roast I got from my local roaster (but I'm trying to see if I can fix it by aligning the burrs some more)
That’s quite a leap forward! 😁
Just now looking into stepping up my coffee game, didn’t know it gets this wild lol much more to research, thanks.
Great walk through on the grinders.
i really like your videos, they are always very educational. one thing i have noticed in the last few videos, is that the sound (you talking) sometimes stops very rapidly, which is irritating especially with headphones. sometimes the sound cuts while you are breathing in or out as well. and for me, i dont feel like there is a consistency when music plays and when not. some chill and quiet background music would very much soften these 'hard cuts'. other than that, love your content lance!
Makes me happy to have my Silenzio! TBF I lean hard into dark roasted Arabica/Robusta blends.
I have the DF64 Gen 2 on order ($400). Apparently so does everyone else, because I won’t see it for at least another month. It’s replacing my old OXO grinder that I’ve been using for the past few years.
I‘m using the 078s for 4 months now. The grinder does a pretty good job. Worth the money :)
I have a df64 gen 2 and it's been so consistent and great so far, I slow feed it by hand.
What burr do you have in that Monolith behind you?
Do you also plan on doing a review for SSP 98 Sweet Lab burrs that just released? I've heard they are as good if not better than the actual 80mm Sweet Labs. I am really curious what they are like.
Regarding heat damage: I was under the impression that we are not 'burning' coffee when brewing etc which is often quoted. Which makes sense due to the high temperatures encountered in roasting. So my question is how does this apply during grinding? I understand that there is clearly a lot of friction and therefore heat in grinding, but if grinds are getting so hot that it is damaging the flavour of the coffee during grinding, surely that heat would be perceptible in the dose cup? Or am I misinterpreting what you are referring to as heat damage ? Thanks as always great content .
I have the Wilfa Uniform because it was on sale and I am happy (filter only). I still watch these videos and I still feel happy about my purchase. Thank you for making them.
I really appreciate your sentiment of sticking with what works for you and not worrying about the latest and greatest. But, it helps me in a different way. I am getting my first espresso equipment. Your scientific approach to things has helped me geek out, but also made me feel unable to make a decision. I have settled on a Robot, but couldn't decide on how big to go with a grinder. I decided on a DF64 gen 2 today. I'm sure these will be a great place to start and grow my taste. Maybe a Zerno and La Marzocco is in my future. But I think I'll be happy for a while.
Great video, I love coffee and currently only own a Aeropress and a Cafelat Robot. However, I only have an older Eureka Mignon with this small dial on the left side. It has been ok I prefer it to all these touch screens but the consistency is not the best, the left over in the grinder is also huge and to switch from coarse to fine is a tragedy, as one has to keep track on how many times you have turned the dial. Anyhow I wonder whether a grinder comes to your mind which could replace my Eureka with better results without paying an arm and a leg for it? I already thought I might get a hand grinder for espresso and an electric one for pour over? Anyhow any tip would be much appreciated. thx
I purchased the df83v because I was in the market for a flat burr grinder. I have a Niche Zero as well currently although I haven’t touched it since the df83v came in. Obviously says I have been very happy with it and I’ve had it for 3 weeks now. Luckily I haven’t had it stall since the very first day. I have SSP HU burrs on it and I’ve gone down to 500 rpm without issue.
I’ve had mine stall, but only with the lab sweet burrs from SSP. I have mitigated it by not just doing a full dump with a hot start but a close to full dump. It all goes in within 2 to 3 seconds instead of just flat out zero on dumping.
@@dude4christ00707 The SSP Lab Sweet burr is one that I wouldn’t mind trying especially if I could buy it used from someone already seasoned.
Hi,
I’m just a curious nerd 🤓😉.
When you reduce the speed, would that also reduce the power?
At higher speeds the inertia is obviously higher so even with the same power it would still be less likely to stall at higher speeds.
@@Conservator. 🤷♀️
Starseeker, the maker of SD40 and iTop 64, actually came out with a 74mm vertical blind burr grinder at the end of last year. Too bad it's not marketed outside of China as of now, as I think it might prove to be a viable option alongside the 078s and the DF83v.
Does the Blind Shaker fit and magnetize on the TimeMores?
Ah, just the video I’ve been looking for. Thank you Lance.
Reached the end of the video. Great review as always. Looks like I’m keeping my TimeMore 😀 no FOMO here.
Do you know about df64v slow bean feeder? It was developed to prevent stopping at low rpm, and I am curious about actual user reviews to see if it will have a positive effect on slow feeding, as seen in your recent video.
Made me feel good about my grinder I already have! The more I get to know it the better the coffee.
I got my DF64 Gen 2 a week ago and am totally happy with it - above all at this price point.
What are your thoughts on the new DF64 gen 2 DLC burrs? Think the SSP CV2/LS burrs are still a worthwhile upgrade over them?
Hey Lance, I got the 078 for filter based on your recommendation. It's excellent but without rdt the static has been awful. I started using just one spritz of rdt and that solved the static issue but a lot less is in the fines catcher now. What's your process on 078? Are you still against rdt for it?
Did you ever consider the DF83V? I am on the fence, DF83V or 078. Filter only!
If you could only choose one grinder for filter, would you take the Ek43 with the brew burrs or Weber eg1 with Ulfs?
I sidegraded. Went from a Fellow Ode with SSP MP burrs to a Timemore 078. Partly for a change and partly due to some astringency on certain coffees on the Ode. We shall see how the 078 goes.
I think 078 is an upgrade IMHO for filter.
@@LanceHedrickThanks Lance. I have high hopes for that. also to clarify I meant sidegrade pricewise - the kickstarter 078 was around the same price as the Ode with the SSPs.
I did this and feel like it's a pretty big upgrade
Thank you Lance.
Is the 064s still the best value grinder for making milk drinks? Curious how df54 will compare
Do you know if faster grind times (either with bigger burrs or faster rpm) can make it so that slow feeding is less impactful? Ie. the variance between slow and fast feeding is reduced?
Question to all out there. I am purchasing a new grinder. I’m either getting a Turin sk40 or debating on pre ordering the DF54. I’d have to wait a month for the DF 54 but it has flat burs compared to the conical burs of the sk40. What would you guys do in my situation? I mostly do espresso on my gaggia classic evo pro
Lance, I only do pour overs with my v60 right now and a Timemore C3 manual hand grinder. It's a big challenge when I have many guests over to quickly brew a number of cups. Which electric grinder should I buy? The Timemore 078 or is that over kill? What's the best large size brewer that'll give me quality cups like my v60? Thank you! This video was very informative.
3:55 Does heat really affect coffee quality? I figure for commercial use when you're grinding lbs of coffee or shot after shot after shot, but for home use I didn't think the burrs would heat up enough to affect the taste. Has anyone tested this?
While seasoning burrs I noticed The Eureka ORO SD (64mm) coffee grounds were a good 10f warmer coming out than other grinders I was comparing it with (I think DF64 at the time mainly, but I forget, might have been more the P64 or both), I still enjoyed the flavour out of those burrs. I think with regular use (not seasoning) temps would probably be similar. I just thought it was interesting some grinder seem to heat up more than others.
Lance you are doing it right thanks for this intro. You rock. Watching now
Looking at saving up for a Profitec 600. I’m looking at grinders and I go back and forth. I like single dose grinders with hopes of zero retention. Would you buy df64, timemore 064s, or spend more on a grinder like a eureka mingnon oro single dose, or some something completely different?
Great video. Any plans to test the Mazzer Philos?
I haven't gotten my Timemore 078s yet, but the problem I'm hearing is that there's enough retention in the knocker that it's not just fines and chaff leftover, ideally if it was just a little chaff and fines you can knock it out separately, and keep them out of your drink for a potentially higher quality brew! But if it's over a gram of fines, chaff mixed with coffee grounds, it seems like a waste and doesn't seem like it's doing its job as a single dose, low retention coffee grinder ! Chaff and fines shouldn't weigh anywhere near 1g (and there shouldn't be that much of it ideally). But I'll see how mine performs when I get it.
I received my 78S a few weeks ago and have noticed what you’re saying. I’m hoping there’s a break in period. I do love the machine. I also notice the beans need to be helped into the grind chamber after a first go.
@@BRogoMU a lot of seasoning is supposed to benefit those burrs. I'm still waiting for mine! If you're doing RDT that tends to make beans stick to everything and one reason why I hate RDT!
The new mazzer seems like a great option to add into this arsenal. On the more expensive side but the build quality you get for it is probably going to be worth it especially after the first 10 years of use.
I have my manual Keanu M47 for a while now. I have been debating with myself for sooooo long to buy an electric grinder. And yet I never found the perfect grinder that will make me spend the money to switch. I thought the DF64v was the one but I am not sure anymore ahah. The niche is always the one coming back in my head, but the price tho …
After waiting a whole year while hand grinding for the 078 yeah very happy.
"Beans Before Machines" - I think it makes really good sense... But what would you say to those who argue that you need a quite capable espresso machine (besides a good grinder) with options to pre-infuse well and in advanced ways and perhaps even flow profile to extract really light roasted (and possibly also dense high altitude) beans for espresso.
It seems some guys (especially one guy) on the HomeBarista forum claims that. And it sounds reasonable too 🤔
I have just watched the DF83 video yesterday :D How did you know I need a comparison to other grinders?
Thanks for this video. I've def. been in analysis paralysis mode lately so this helps. My first Timemore Sculptor (078S) died 2 weeks into owning it. Motor just said no it seemed. I can't figure out why. Timemore sent me a new circuit board to try but no luck. Oddly enough I did still get it to fire up once or twice, so maybe just some faulty wires - either way it's not reliable. Timemore made good after a few months of trying things and send me a new machine. However, I've been scared ever since and was thinking of changing to the DF64 v2 bc of it's simplicity. I've also come to realize I'm not a huge fan of dosing cups and I like grinding right into the portafilter. I also ONLY ever make espresso and with the 64mm burrs I can get SSP burrs. Anyways, I appreciate your critiques and thoughts here. Maybe I'll just hang tight for a bit and hope Hoon's making burrs, and look into some 3d printed Timemore portafilter holders or something. I've since only used the 1400 speed setting on the Timemore - worried about the motor on lower speeds but again I'm prob. over thinking it.
I have a DF83V and pretty much agree with what Lance said here. I won't comment on cup quality because I'm not qualified, but here's my experience with using the thing:
Yes, it will stall on low RPMs at fine grind sizes. It seems like the low RPM is meant for filter coffee. That said feed rate seems to make the biggest difference. I dumped 100g of light roast in at once at a fine grind size and still stalled at a higher RPM but my normal 20g dose I can grind for espresso just fine at 300 without drip feeding beans into the thing. I suspect this is an auger design issue and I'm considering making my own once I feel like I understand the problem to see if I can slow that feed down.
When I have stalled it I have not had to remove the burr carrier. Increasing the RPM helps, which can be done while it's not running. I have been able to coarsen the grind setting just by turning the dial- it will feel jammed at first but that's just because the beans are pushing on the burr and the burr is pushing on the screw. Once you move it a bit it will come free. The adjustment knob just rests on the burr carrier and has some grease in there. It could use a thrust bearing or something like that and that's another thing I am considering adding. Once you get it moving you can adjust pretty coarse and try again, this worked for me even with the previously mentioned 100g stuck in there. Note that the dosing cup will not hold 100g, more like 30, so grind into something else if you try this.
Removing the burr carrier and reinstalling it it does not seem to hold the zero, but it's very easy to adjust so I would suggest resetting it any time you take the grinder apart.
At 1600 RPM it grinds fast, maybe too fast. It shot the grounds into the dosing cup with such force that they kind of bounced out. This was with no RDT and a light roast. I have heard conflicting reports on the less fines at low RPM statement, but I don't actually care that much about variable RPM. I have been sticking with 800 or 1000 and not messing with it too much yet.
Tapping the bellows instead of really pushing definitely works best. The declumper at the exit chute seems to be the most likely place for things to stick. I have seen some buildup on the magnetic exit chute.
Some people have talked about an offgassing smell. Mine (black) smells if I take a whiff but doesn't give off a strong oder, though I was running a fan past it at one point and that did seem to make things smell more. Some report a very strong smell, some don't. Seems to go away eventually, not sure if it's just on the black one. Does not seem to impact the taste of the coffee.
Hi Lance,
Do you think you could make a short/reel/post discussing the sounds of these grinders?
I have to grind in the early morning and the most important factor after cup quality is noise level and quality.
I know some grinders are louder than others but have a less jarring noise and some may be quieter but more intrusive sounding.
The ideal test IMO would be to run each grinder at an espresso setting and a brew setting. Then measure the dBs either just outside of your studios door or inside a thick cardboard box. Separately, subjectively rate the sounds next to the grinder and in the adjacent room/your head in the cardboard box.
This all sounds(hehe) a bit excessive and goofy but that means you are the perfect guy to take it on.
BTW its my theory that cones are quieter than flats in general. And I think that the less fines a burr produces the higher pitch the sound is ( when the grinder is held the same )
Yeah, the part about the right beans are a big thing I think.
I drink decaf coffee and I would love to drink good lightly roasted coffee, but I only found medium to dark roasted coffee (in Zürich).
To the point that commercial ones were lighter on the roast than the specialty ones!
Idk what the reason might be but it was kind of funny to see that so far: The cheaperst one was the tastiest and lightest of the bunch. Like WTF!?
Tho I really enjoyed the darker ones aswell, at least from one roastery. ^^
(I am very suceptible to caffeine to the point that even too much decaf coffee can make me all shakey...)
Regarding the little wood stand on the DF64V, it works great to flip upside down and use as a lid to shake grounds.
Neat! Thanks for that!
Can you get your hands on a df54 for those of us that have to live on a budget? Compare it to grinders in your previous $200-$300 review.
Honestly, given my current financial situation and my coffee obsession - I'm super happy with my Chestnut X & 078s, I never understood the 'need' to buy a new grinder every-single-time a new one comes out... I mean like WTF?! :D
Any plans on reviewing the Starseeker AK74 ? Seems like an interesting newcomer, especially at its price point and considering it comes with blind burrs.
I'm wondering how does the new df64p v1.2, which has the new DLC burrs; anti popcorn disc and new de-clumper, compares to the df64v. I have an 1zpresso K-ultra on my current setup and I plan to keep it, so espresso only it's not a decision factor for me. Any thoughts?
with RDT i dont find i need bellowed at all for filter. for espresso i can tap the top with no bellows and get everything, but the bellows help a little
I dont plan on buying any of these grinders! But I watch the entire video cause lance is very entertaining. Keep up the coffee content! ☕️
Enjoy your content, keep doing your thing. A point, especially when reviewing so many with similar names, could the name of the grinder be on the screen when you are discussing it? I keep backing up trying to catch the name of each as I watch. Thank you
Excited for this one!