I didn't want to review this... - DF64 Gen 2 Coffee Grinder
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Turin DF64 Gen 2 - geni.us/GZDNJM
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I was not a fan of the DF64 Gen 1... can the DF64 Gen 2 by Turin redeem it's predecessor? I was not excited to make this review, but I was excited by my findings after I made it. Is this the best coffee grinder for filter and espresso under 500 bucks?
This grinder was sent to me by Espresso Outlet. They did not review, approve or endorse this video.
0:00 - I didn’t want to make this
1:41 - Build and Features
2:35 - Static no more
3:13 - Features Ctd.
4:33 - Lets get real for a sec
5:36 - RDT and Bellows - No Bueno
6:17 - Testing Galore
7:46 - Burrs and Taste Profile
8:46 - Some Negatives….
10:39 - The Verdict
Credit to:
@espressooutlet - • Turin DF64 Single Dose...
@mycoffeeshow111 - • 3D printed mods for DF64
@clivecoffee - • The DF64 Espresso Grinder
@ourcoffeeshelter - • RDT and Static Electri...
clearly does not match your style (looking at your kitchen) but the industrial look is actually one of the attractive features of this grinder for me.
Same here, DF fits right in. But his stove????? dood, that's gotta go. Backsplash controls are so 1980😅
Same
Industrial vibes AND getting the kids out of bed are two major advantages in my opinion 😂😂😂
We’re in the phase when we are trying to get them to sleep LONGER 😆
@@DaddyGotCoffee Enjoy the time while it lasts.
@@somborn HAHAHA- Agree, enjoy that. All goes past way too fast
For filter coffee I bought a Fellow Ode Gen 2 at the beginning of this year to replace my 10 year old Baratza Encore and I’ve been very pleased with it. Until a couple of months ago I had been looking for nearly two years for a single-dosing candidate to replace my now 11 year old Baratza Vario+ that I’ve mostly used for espresso and just felt I could never find quite the right replacement with the appropriate tradeoffs. I was drawn to the Niche but being in Canada results in the final price after shipping, tax and duty being uncomfortably expensive. I largely agree with your observations about the original DF64 and had long ago ruled it out; even the DF83 too. However, the preliminary reviews of the DF64 Gen 2 had me doing enough head-scratching to think that I might’ve found my solution. Accordingly, I’ve had it for about three weeks now and gotta say, I’m very pleased so far. Like you, it made a decent shot of espresso from its first grind and it is just getting better as I get familiar with it. My only gripe is its sound (well louder than the old Vario+). Nice review and well done. Thanks.
Nice review. I relate to what you say regarding RDT and bellows. Glad to hear it's not really necessary on the Gen2
Interested in this! Thanks for your review! If I’m only interested in espresso prep, what would you suggest instead?
3:35 I think the exposed set screw is actually a useful feature because (and I dont mean to nitpick but I saw it in this video too) its used to set your true zero on the grinder. for me, positioning the arrow over the spout gives me an inaccurate reading for where the true zero actually is. I can find the point just before the before the burrs chirp and then move the arrow to where the zero on the dial currently is. the exposed setscrew makes it easy to clean the grinder and reset that true zero, and is useful for the different tolerances in manufacturing that may cause different people to have different true zeros. I will say that my burrs were pretty misaligned from the factory but some aluminum foil shims fixed it nicely. I agree that bellows can be unsightly sometimes but I think someone should make a 3D printed lid of some kind, the anti-popcorn feature works really well anyways. personally i use the bellows but frankly its just for fun, it makes like a 0.05g difference since retention is so little
aside from the noise IMO its hard to recommend a 64mm single dose grinder that's not the Gen 2. a consumer will end up paying SO much more money for the same exact performance from another grinder aside from the quieter function. Like the Lagom p64 for example, you can buy the Gen 2 + the Option O mizen burrs for less than or close to half of what the lagom costs for exactly the same thing - a single dose 64mm grinder that has an all-metal construction (minus the RPM control, noise, and tiny bit of plastic on the df64 but frankly rpm control isn't worth the extra $1000+ I can just use an inline AC dimmer if I really wanted it lol). For $400 you really cannot beat the value here and I think the df64 gen 2 should be the automatic recommendation for people looking to get a near-endgame grinder or a 64mm single dose grinder especially since a good flat burr grinder usually starts at like $650 and can easy clear $1000. This is people's hard earned money we're talking about and I think its very unfair for people to be suggested very expensive grinders when theres a new cheap grinder (the cheapest 64mm espresso grinder I've found too aside from modded ode 2) that gives endgame performance with all the necessary features for most home enthusiasts. I hope a gen 3 solves the noise issue but other than that I'm not sure what else they can add here, its really unbeatable for the price, build quality, and performance in the current market. AND the supply of them is rather high right now, unlike literally every other 64mm flat burr grinder thats either completely sold out for months, still in preorder, etc etc. espresso outlet is waiting for a restock but I know miicoffee has them right now and they will keep pumping them out without issue. If the noise is a dealbreaker for someone then sure they should buy another grinder but this grinder is the next niche in terms of the value and how it lowers the barrier to entry for an already expensive hobby. I upgraded from an fellow opus and that felt like it was worth $20, the df64 feels like I truly maximized my dollar
I'm with you on the noise. It would be a deal breaker. Gen 3 ?
Hey, great review :) I have a Eureka specialita and do only Espresso with mostly light to medium roasts. Today it took me over 30s of grinding for 17g - that's kind a long, isn't it? What do you think? Is something else better suited - or do I need to clean it more often ? :)
thanks for the vid...what would you go for if I want espresso only with a $400 budget? I already have an upgraded ode for my filter and pourovers
I was between this and the Specialita. Finally decided to get the DF64 gen 2 for its upgradability down the road. Thanks for the review!
good choice! I just got mine and love it
I'm looking for a replacement for my 3 yr old Specialita, as the other day it jammed. In fairness I have never, ever, cleaned the thing, just used printed bellows to clear after each grind. Worked fine for 3 years, then...suddenly jammed. I pulled it all apart, thinking grinds were jammed, but nope, it seems it's the motor. Getting very hot and overheating. Let it cool down it works again. Not sure I trust it now, so looking for other options, as it's pricy to replace and I'm not keen on spending so much to replace with the same thing that broke before. In fairness the Mignon IS pretty quiet, so the opposite of this thing. If the Mignon does seize up again then I'll get one of these.
Hey DGC man thanks for all your input. Ive purchased the Asacso steel duo base on your reciew and my own research. So now im trying to decide which grinder to get the mahlkonig x54 or DF64 Gen2. Ive watch your review for both but kinda unsure. Can you please help me to decide. The grinder i pick will be used for espresso and milk drinks. Also been eyeing the rancillio stile but not to much input on it. Thanks for all your input its been very influential to me.
Definitely do NOT mind the look - when it comes to appliances it's function over form all day. A lot of my kitchen is the "modern" black and stainless / black and aluminum look. If it holds up over time, definitely worth it. And, yes, I would always consider a burr upgrade - can make a big difference.
Thank you for your video!
I hope this would be better than the eureka specialita. It has a lot of dead rooms and was not really quiet. Can i get a porterfilterholder for 51mm? or will it fit also for a smaller one?
Thank you for thoughts on this one. I am wondering if you have any thoughts on the Rancilio Stile grinder for espresso and filter coffees? Thank you
Great review. Just wondering, did you find the grinder remained consistent from one shot to the next, and beyond? Shot times / flavour easily repeatable? Thanks
I found that not using the collar on the grind cup still has some grinds missing the cup and getting all over the machine and counter. I would definitely say you want to use the collar. I grind with the collar then remove the collar when I want to flip the grounds into my 58mm portafilter. If you are using a standard 58mm portafilter, e.g. E61 group head, then the cup is a perfect fit.
Woah this is timely. I just bought one along the Breville Bambino! I’m excited for it as it’s my first premium setup
Fantastic first setup. Congrats!!
My same setup! Just got the DF64 Gen 2 delivered last week.
Same here as well. Bambino and DF64 gen2. Works for me 😊
I own the eureka specialita and it also has zero retention without any mods.
Great video. I’ve owned mine almost 3 years now and it’s time to clean in 🙈🤭
I’d appreciate a grinder suggestion! Interested in both the df64 G2, df64V, and eureka libra for mainly espresso. Love the footprint of the df64V but no ionizer and don’t really love the look of the df64 G2. Any suggestions for me? Thank you and excellent video
What’s your view of the Eureka Specialita versus the gen2 with just expresso usage? I imagine the noise levels differ dramatically.
Bought this on backorder about a month ago w/SSP lab sweet burrs - thanks Alternative Brewing for helping me narrow down my choices. Should show up tomorrow (fingers crossed). This is my upgrade from the Encore ESP and the industrial vibe fits with my Profitec GO.
Have you noticed a difference in espresso between the encore esp and DF64? I have esp and considering the same upgrade.
@@darrenpollard1638 I have. I get notice more clarity and consistency with the df64. The esp has more body, but finding the right timing and the sweet spot between sour and bitter was hard for me especially since I'd go between filter and espresso often. That said it could all be a skill issue on my part. All in all it really depends on what you are wanting in your cup and is the ESP working well for you now.
Definitely on the top list grinder for the price range. Yeah its not a beauty but it ticks all the boxes needed for a decent grinder. Plus that plasma generator is a hugeeeeeee difference with other grinders. Cheap but quality
Chose this over the Niche Zero because I live in Canada and couldn't stomach the duty fees. I've had this grinder for about a month now, mine came with the DLC burrs installed from Coffee Addicts. Overall it's really nice, like you said it makes great coffee. You are correct that it is loud. The one area where my experience differs from the RUclips reviews I've seen is the effectiveness of the 'plasma generator', no issue for espresso, but when we grind for filter we are still getting quite a bit of chaf. I can't compare it to the gen1 but I honestly expected it to be a little cleaner than it is. BUT considering the pricepoint I still think the Gen2 is hard to beat and we are very happy with it.
Chaff is really tricky because it comes down to so many factors. Roast level, burrs, relative humidity - this is going to differ slightly for everyone - on the whole though it’s a huge improvement over gen 1 no matter how you slice it. Agreed - hard to beat at this price
Chaff is on the bean so it has to come out one way or another! For filter, I stopped bellowing into the dose because it seemed to be mostly chaff.
Great video!
Im looking for my first grinder, mainly to brew espresso.
Some options i have in mind now are this DF64 v2, Eureka Mignon Zero, or Eureka Mignon Specialita? Any recommendations? Prices are quite similar in my country. Or do you think there is a cheaper option i should consider also to start with?
I think this one comes down to if you are looking for a hopper style or single dosing. If you want to change coffees more often than once every bag, I would go with the df64. The eureka has some mods for single dosing but it isn't really built for it.
I bought a DF64 Gen 2 because I had SSP MP burrs in my Ode Gen 1 but wanted to be able to more comfortably grind for espresso (plus I missed having the Ode Gen 2 brew burrs on occasion). So I swapped the SSP burrs into the DF64 and put the Gen 2 brew burrs back into the Ode.
It's good to see that Turin upgraded the red power button to something less ugly
Yeah I saw some forum posts of people complaining about the button and was pleasantly surprised when this one wasn’t red!
I swap the power button out right out of the box with a metal one lol
So I’m trying to figure out if this grinder is what I should go for. I have a fellow ode gen 1 for filter, so I’m mainly looking for an espresso grinder. Right now I have a breville barista express and have hated the grinder the whole time even switched to a cheap hand grinder and have gotten much better results , do you think the df64 v2 would be the best fit or should I keep looking? Eventually I will be upgrading my espresso machine to something that doesn’t have a built in grinder but is much better, but figured I should get a good electric grinder first
I’ve been using one for a week and it’s my first “expensive” single dose grinder. Before this I had a regular conical burr OXO grinder for filter coffee only.
I have enjoyed it so far. Noticed the rattling you mentioned of metal on metal when the dosing cup is not seated perfectly. I don’t think it’s too loud personally. I have noticed when grinding coarser for filter coffee that there is still quite a bit of static and chaff flying out and sticking to the outside of the chute and grinder body.
With a couple of spurts of water spray, you shouldn't have much static or chaff flying. Plus, the spray improves the shot taste.
Which burrs would be best for drip brewing only? Also, compare to a Vario+ with steel burrs. Thanks.
Hi, great video again. Seen in the background that you’re lucky enough to own a zerno. Are you overall happh with it and are you planning to review it soon?
Hi there! I’m just borrowing this one, it’s a launch edition and I have a loaner current version on the way as well and.. yes of course I will be reviewing them! 🤩
Hi, thanks for your video. It has helped me to reaffirm that I did a good choice when I ordered a DF64 with the standard burrs. Still not received, but I wouldn’t mind in the future once I have tested the standard burrs to play with other burrs. I would have loved a better and quieter DC motor but for the price I guess that’s not posible. Great work 💪🏻💪🏻
Hi another great video! You have a good voice! yes i will give preference on price over aesthetic... actually i like E61 groupset alot , but now i have it over a year, i seldom look at it.. haha... it is the same with those beautiful film cameras i used to own... in the end i sell them away... haha... the coffee is the most important thing haha... i do both espresso and pour over, now i am using 1zpresso J-Max... no complains... i don't mind the hard work ... i just wonder how much of an upgrade in taste i can get if i go for a eletric grinder like Duo, DF 83, DF 64? pls kindy advise me
The Jmax grinder is a great grinder. The DF64 will give you a slightly different profile with the flat burrs and open up the door to using any 64mm burr. IMO if the looks aren’t a dealbreaker then it’s a good move. I was very impressed with the Gen 2
I thought about getting this but opted for the DF64V with the stock DLC burrs simply due to aesthetic and motor difference. Been v impressed so far. But the quality on this for the price is crazy.
Totally agreed, dollar for dollar it’s hard to beat. Fantastic budget grinder
Can we use that grinder for turkish coffee (super fine powder) or longer cold brew immersions (very coarse)?
I am on a quest to find a capable and quiet grinder for espresso. You compared this to the NZ. Thankyou for including the metered dbs for this grinder. Would a Niche-type [clear] cover knock down the dbs to an acceptable level...say 70 or so? I am leaning towards the 64V, but only if it is much much quieter. A P64 may be my only recourse. My current grinder (Eureka Mignon Classico) measures in the low 80s dbs.
Just found this channel. Enjoyed your review, have one on order from espresso outlet.
I got the Gen1 Version 4. Let me tell you: 0 static issues. Personally I absolutely love the design and much prefer it over the design of Gen2. Love the white glowing on/off button centered on the front and the matte black dial ring. The only issue is that if you take it apart to clean it, you will most likely not get the screw-on dial back to the exact place where you had it before.
Thank you for mentioning this! I could never come around to the power button but this is a great note on the static!
what are your thoughts on upgrading to this from a Sage Smart grinder pro for espresso?
Can someone please explain the different burrs that you are able to upgrade to when purchasing this unit? Definitely going to purchase just want to make sure I am setup how I am supposed to be. Just didn't want to miss anything. Thank you!
I’m doing my first setup with a Bambino and either this or the Timemore 064s - any thoughts? Obviously now this guy has the price advantage, but the noise difference isn’t something I can gauge before trying it out. Espresso only!
Coming from a basic KitchenAid grinder this should be a huge step up for me. The noise while not pleasant shouldn't be an issue. I don't mind the industrial look at all. Makes me feel professional l, like a cafe.
I am interested in upgrading the burs later on but at this stage of my coffee path I have no idea what the benefit to that is or why I would want to. I just think I won't rule it out
Would love your assistance picking between Niche Zero and DF64v2. Currently running a sette 270 so I'm used to the noise but it is a bit annoying. I do agree and also don't like bellows or doing RDT (the laziness comment really hit lol) Always single dosing, mostly running milk drinks but would like to do more straight espresso. I plan on doing filter/pour overs eventually but figure I could just get a hand grinder specific for that. NZ aesthetics are def better but not sure it's worth the extra ~$100. Is there much difference between the flat burr vs conical in this case? I am also intrigued by the idea of 64mm platform and upgrading with SSP eventually.
This is where my head is at. I'm torn, trying to buy something that will last me a long time - have a Gaggia Pro for espresso's and only had a hand grinder so far. NEED a powered solution! I think I may plummet for the Niche Zero, being based in the UK.I know its been around a while, and isnt super rated for Filter/Pour Overs, however.... NZ Pro's for me are Quietness, Style, Espresso shots review well - Cons: Burrs not upgradable, filter/pour over capability considered "Good", price. There is a limit to how good my coffee is going to taste at home, and I appreciate good cafe's with better rigs... so why am I still typing? Because... this Gen 2 DF64 provides a cheaper price point, Burr upgrade potential and could prob grind more than a single dose if i'm doing a larger Pour Over one day... it's just the sound. As a musician and producer my ears are rather sensitive to whining and irregular lurching motors... and at the end of the day, using it every day I think the smile of a calmer grind might just be worth it. #rambleover What did you buy?
@@neilsmith5464frozen with indecision but probably going NZ. I decided I don’t do pour overs enough to care and will just hand grind for those rare times
I have this grinder on order with SSP espresso burrs, since I'm not interested in filter. Is there a grinder you'd recommend over the DF64 Gen 2 for pure espresso?
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Great video, ive just subscribed!
Im so torn between the Gen2 and DF64V. Im 99% an espresso drinker. Have you ever used the DF64v and do you feel its more of an inprovement in the cup?
Is basically the same thing it’s just a little bit smaller and a little bit faster🙂🙂
@@brownsugarcoffee1Which one is smaller and faster? :-)
@@blinsmaslom3263The DF64V is smaller than the GEN 2, but not necessarily faster, since the GEN 2 is fast enough at 1400 RPM and the DF64V has just variable RPM (600 to 1800 RPM) which is a different thing.
Hi! What point for espresso you get for DF64 Gen 2 Coffee Grinder ? 8? 9? 10?
I always over-research when I spend a lot of money on something. My wife says I enjoy the chase as much as the catch, but I want to make sure I put my money in the right place. So I am expecting my DF64 Gen2 in the next 4-5 days from Singapore. Really looking forward to it. We do a Moka first thing in in the morning (bought it 20 years ago - used it almost every day since), Aeropress during the day, and maybe the odd V60 so something versatile was called for. Don't have an espresso maker. Yet. The Industrial look is good for me - I'm an engineer so works well. This is my first 'proper' grinder so looking forward to the next set of rabbit holes to head down! Kids won't be put off the noise cos they've all left home now. :)
Have you used a p64? If so, do you think it's worth the large price jump from this grinder? I'm considering getting one with either the omni burrs or the upcoming espresso Mizen set.
I've wondered about this as well and received some feedback over the months. P64 great build quality, low retention etc.. but expensive. Yet one tester noted how consistent it was to get same results across different beans/roasts. They also noted that a grinder like DF64 with same burrs aligned and dialed in would probably give similar if not almost exact taste in cup. Can say the tolerances in P64 allows one to 'eke' out a little more consistent results in the cup (seemingly) as well as better user experience-less hassle with retention etc.. Also from everything I've found out from user reviews is burr geometry matters the most. For instance smaller burrs with 'interesting'-good geometry can practically match larger burrs in more expensive grinders, especially with certain types of beans/roasts. The other key thing I come across often is one grinder/burr tastes great w/ a select type of bean/roast but another grinder/burr tastes better w/a different bean/roast so it's all a trade-off unless have 2+ grinders. Example a med. roast leaning toward dark cherry and semi-sweet chocolate tastes better on stock burr or a 'trad.' Italian grinder-burr vs. a more unimodal burr but then performs-tastes "worse" on a lighter roast w/ leans more toward 'fruit' want balanced acidity.
right now, i'm really at a tough spot deciding between the Varia VS3 Gen2 vs DF64 Gen 2. Do you have a recommendation, or a secret third option? Semms both are great for single dosing, and (afaik) offer a wide range from espresso to coarse?
Also curious about the Varia VS3 gen 2 with Hypernova & Ultra Hypernova vs DF64 gen 2. Not a lot of info. regarding the newer burrs or model Varia VS3 but might be conical that provides good clarity but also with great balance and body like a great all-rounder for medium roast.
I'm a moderate coffee user, normally I use moka pot, would like to have an good(ish) espresso machine in the future but from time to time I use French press.
Currently I own a Timemore C3 Pro Max that does the work for me but takes too long and effort is high so I tend to use Nesspreso more often just to not grind it manually.
I'm Trying to buy a good(ish) coffee grinder, something in the 400/600 usd budget (I'm from Argentina)
I'm between the Timemore 064s and this DF64 Gen2
I'm not looking to buy a grinder to change it in 1 or 2 years, I would like this to serve me for a long time and be useful, mostly for espresso/moka but from time to time for French press.
Oh the loudness of the motor is a deal breaker for me, with kids sleeping every morning. The df64v seems a better option, quiet, small footprint and variable rpm but considerable more expensive.
Thank you for the honest review!
Is the DF64V quieter? I thought they use the same motor
@@yeetfanie the motors are very different (dc vs ac, 250w vs 300w etc) but after some research i found out that the df64v is pretty loud also when grinding beans. Even though is extremely quiet without beans
I just bought one and it’s been really good. However the dosing shoot catch a lot of bean scraps and they stick to the side wall. That’s what I find strange. Also do you clean with water or just brush off?
Definitely just brush or rub off 👍
in the market for a new grinder. budget not an issue. the biggest consideration: it has to be good at both filter/pourover and espresso bean grinding + be easily switchable between those two functions. whats a top 3? what about a "best value option" too?
I just bought this the other day and I can't afford the upgraded burrs so it's just the standard for me. I am brand new to the hobby and I figured it was already well outside my budget because 400 bucks is a ton of money but my mom and I drink coffee and she used to have fresh grounded coffee all the time that I figured this is gonna serve all my coffee needs. Hopefully it ends up being a good purchase :)
The standard burrs are pretty good, compared to the burrs that came with the original DF64. Just keep using it!
@@aaron_333 That is really re-assuring 🥹 thank you! I am waiting for it to be delivered to me :)
What would you choose (in this approximate price range), if espresso was the focus?
hope this is not too much to ask but just purely in terms of taste profile, do you prefer this to the Timemore 078s? (post seasoning with a bunch of beans..lol)
I second this question. I'm always wondering if I should cancel my 078s for a df64g2. 😅
yes exactly my thoughts! that stupid thing takes forever to ship to my country. late Q1 '24 would be my best guess as they didn't reply to my query@@Foolsauce
I do most espresso, around 90%. I'am absolutly not sure wich grinder I should get. The Price Range is up to 500 approx.
I think between the timemore 64s and the df64.
Any thoughts about a grinder for my use?
I agree with the comment about the bellows being ugly and as you demonstrated, not necessary. Does the lid fit on the top without the bellows, or is there an alternative? Leaving the top open doesn't seem like a good idea.
If I'm going after an espresso-only grinder and don't mind if it is manual or powered, and only care about quality espresso flavor for the best value, would this be it still? I see some manual grinders like the Pietro costing as much as this one.
Perhaps the best small batch grinder on the market. Looks SO AWESOME.
i'm using a lever machine with 54mm LSM group head. I also do occasional pour overs, but do have another grinder I typically use for that; I don't do a lot of milk drinks, just 2-3 morning shots and occaisional americano. Budget is something under $1k. Let me know any top recommendations.
My daily for this is the Niche Duo. The workflow and counter appeal is tops and I personally like the mazzer espresso burrs. Depending on where you are located you can probably land it with an espresso burr only under your budget. The DF series are a solid option but with a little less polish. If you're not changing beans often and doing decaf etc, you could look at hopper style grinders as well. Let me know!
Very seriously considering this setup with a steel duo. For the last few years I've been using an aero press and Hario switch with an ode Gen 2. Do you think it's worth jumping straight to the steel duo and skipping the Bambino and gaggia phase? Totally understand the grinder is the most important thing.
I’m a big fan of the Ascaso line. If the price doesn’t scare you off IMO the Duo is one of the very best options at the price. If milk drinks aren’t a daily thing, you can get most of the advantages with the Uno.
@@DaddyGotCoffeeActually even for milk drinks I'd give the UNO a thought. The "problem" with the DUO is that the steam boiler is quite small compared to the single boiler of the UNO. My dealer said the power is much better on the UNO. But of course it's all a matter of preference. I was very happy with the UNO and I'm an idiot for selling it for no good reason really (tried to downgrade but now I'm back to upgrading again...).
I just got into espresso and I still have my OG Baratza Encore grinder and seriously needing a dedicated espresso grinder for consistency. I really like the DF64 for the price, I don't mind the looks, but my main hold-back is I'm trying to find something quieter than the Encore and this isn't in the right direction from what I'm seeing in videos. The Encore is loud but this seems to be just as loud but shorter grind times I would hope. :(
For espresso milk based drinks. Recommendations this one vs niche zero vs niche duo? Please
I really like the look actually. I got one in white, which I would now consider to have been a mistake. But The only real complaint I share with you is the noise, its pretty loud.
Right now I am pretty happy with the burr set, I might consider upgrading down the road, but SSP Burs are like 240€ in Germany, which is more than half what I paid for the entire grinder ,so this is definitely something I wont consider short term. Overall, really happy with my purchase.
PS: I dont mind the bellows, and I like the wooden cap fot them.
Would you recommend it over the eureka oro single Dose?
I only do filter. Any recommendations or this?
Hello I am desperate how to choose my next grinder.
First of all I love the things that I own and don't like to change them.
Espresso machine Silvia V6
Grinder Eureka Silenzio 1 year old
Both 1 year old
Silenzio is unusable right now thats why I am going to get something else.
I drink 90% espresso and 10% Turkish.
My Silnenzio probably had some very bad quality check because since the first day it produced many fines, tried to shim him but nothing got fixed.
Overmore the 3rd time I removed the bottom burr 1 of the 3 holes of the carrier got damaged. While getting it out 1 screw ruined the threads and now I will have to somehow fix it with a helicoil.
I am in Europe
How is the build quality on these things? Should I get 750E the DF83 v2 for 750E?
In my mind I believe that getting a commercial grinder would be the best but I think they have high retention. (Fiorenzato F64E)
Do you have any suggestions?
Nice to see my face in your video 😛 DF64 gen2 is really great grinder, possibly the best one in this price range. Good review!
Ha! It really is! Love following along with your stuff - I subbed!
@@DaddyGotCoffee thank you!
Is it better than the DF64P for Espressolovers?
Maybe the black one look more industrial to you. But I just purchased the white one and it’s beautiful.🙂🙂
Please Help me Decide between this and Eureka Mignon Specialita. If they are roughly the same price which one should I choose? I don't mind single dosing but generally go through a bag a time and mainly espresso occasionally do pour over. I can't make up my mind it is my first standalone grinder to choose with my BBE sigh...
I’m in the same camp as you and can’t decide!
I think the build quality of the specialita appeals to me.
The option to also switch to single dose with some mods looks like a good option if you change your mind.
Some people online have said that the adjustment dial is really precise and can be hard to use for two styles of coffee
If you want to do pourovers then get DF64. I have specialita and the dial is a pain for real.
@@sekf I rarely do pour over. Maybe like a few times a year.
Thanks for this review! Bummed that it’s so loud since I’m replacing an encore and hoping to go quieter. Considering canceling my pre-order…
Probably the loudest grinder I’ve used 😂
@@DaddyGotCoffee oh man. haha. I guess I’ll just save my $ and move up to an X54 which was first choice originally
Dang, even louder than an encore?
Just curious, you said this grinder is louder than the other examples you gave but what about a typical blade grinder from a department store? Is the df64 Gen 2 louder than that?
Yup, quite a bit louder. Like, makes your ears feel like they are vibrating inside loud.
I am tossing about between this and the Eureka Mignon Specialita.
Happy to start with a hopper and switch to a single dose bellow if I change my mind.
This will be paired with a Breville Dual Boiler and used for espresso only.
Thanks 🙏🏻
One thing about Eurekas - they CAN single dose but they're not really built for it. Still, you could always sell it if you go in that direction!
I also have the dual boiler and got this grinder about a month ago go and it works great. I was using the Breville grinder so a big step up. I struggled to get fine enough with the Breville and could not choke the dual boiler, almost no range for espresso. The gen 2 has espresso range from 0-30 on the ring and I am currently around 18 for med roast beans, lots of range to go finer if needed. It is loud when grinding. I am waiting for my Timemore 078s to ship to compare and I will keep the one I like best ( I bought the gen 2 as it’s taking forever to get the 078).
@@notalenthere I got the specialita and I love it.
I don’t even mind it set with some beans in the hopper. I’ve got it dialled in nicely and it’s a huge upgrade from my Breville SGP!
@@Contopaxi nice, I was leaning towards the libra as I really would like grind by weight. With the gen 2 I am grinding straight into portafilter, would love to cut out the weighing as well.
@@notalenthere the first few times I was weighing my portafilter and then adjusting the time and now I can get 20g out in about 10.8 seconds consistently so I’m happy enough to just set and go in the mornings.
Probably could re check it as the beans age also but it’ll always be close enough I’m sure
Have you used the Timemore at all? I’m trying to decide between the DF64 and Timemore for my first nice grinder.
I have a review of the 078s on this channel, based on my experience with it in definitely recommending the DF64. I think not every timemore unit has the issues mine did but I’ve seen enough buyers with similar issues to comfortably avoid a recommendation there. I love their handgrinders and scales. Their first foray into electric grinders was a little shaky
@@DaddyGotCoffeeRight on! Thank you!
I have a Comandante for filter, but it takes too long for espresso, I'm looking for something budget friendly for espresso, with the smallest footprint on the counter and available in white. White DF46 gen 2 has cought my eye, but if there's something cheaper I'm all ears. Im fine with manually grinding for filter, so it's ok if the grinder is just for espresso. Thanks!
100% with you on the RDT, .. I did it a few times and then realised I needed to get a grip back on my life .. the whole thing was a mess and it wasn’t like my grinder really needed to become a cold brewer of mould ..
also fully on board with hating bellows .. absolutely horrific sight
I think cleaning up chaff and loose grinds everywhere is more of a mess
I mostly do pour overs. Is this a good grinder for that?
We were just interacting on another video, but I’ll ask a more general question here. 😊
I drink milk drinks and can’t pick out tasting notes. I do like it savory, sweet, and roasty. When I say savory, what I mean is that what I taste in my favorite espresso blend usually seems more nutty to me than what I would call chocolate.
I’d also really appreciate a forgiving dial-in that won’t require too many test shots in the morning (I love my morning routine, but I’m also helping our two little girls get ready).
Everything about that says Niche Zero to me. Do you think this DF64 v2 is something I should explore? Or the Niche Duo?
Right now I have the Mignon Specialita, but I’ve been struggling a bit with it and want to try something new.
Happy to jump around on different vids! 😂☕️ The df64 g2 is solid at the price, with the zero you are getting an easier dial in, cleaner counter appeal, much quieter operation (seriously, I have a video of my wife using the zero while wearing a sleeping baby!) better workflow and taste profile more suited to your preferences. The df64 will give you clearer flavor separation but at the sacrifice of sweet syrupy body. For you, I’d say the only reason to take this over the zero would be price. If you can come up to the zeros price, you will be happier with it.
@@DaddyGotCoffee haha, I need to find that video! Thank you so much again. This really just sealed the deal for me. 🙏
@@jamesorr1200 instagram.com/reel/CLZLhSyBdir/?igshid=bHFvN3E1Nm54eHVi 😉☕️
The price is good with the DF stuff but yeah, too loud for me. Going to wait for the new & improved Eureka Zero. I have a Specialita and love it but want a more single-dose specific grinder.
I'm staring at my gorgeous, black Ascaso Steel Duo and I don't even have a grinder yet. You know what grinds my beans? Trying to make a decision on a grinder, that's what. Those decibel levels when my day started with a caffeine withdrawal headache - hard pass. Bellows that look like the black-water drain hose on a RV... for the love of all that's good and holy - WHY? (Talk about signaling retention issues.) And, I cant remember if I'm supposed to spend 3x my monthly salary on a setup or if that's for engagement rings - feels like a huge commitment regardless.
What does an espresso and latte-loving person in the PNW do? What grinder is under a grand, under 85 decibels, not underwhelming in form and function, and doesn't put me at the mercy of waitlists, limited edition ferver, and hype-beast drop dates? Am I hunting for a Sasquatch out here? #CryForHelp Can I just jam pods in my portafilter? smh
I've been torn between this and the Niche zero for a dedicated espresso grinder. right now I'm using an 1zpresso JE-Plus and J-max for my Robot and it's FANTASTIC for medium and darker roasts, but a beotch to hand grind for lighter roasts.
I almost got the Niche zero for a dedicated grinder for doing 75% darks and 25% lights but I keep reading on people having motor stalling issues on light roasts.... so I was thinking of trying the Gen 2 due to all of the hype (probably with the DLC burrs).
you had mention that you might have other options for a dedicated espresso only grinder? or did I misunderstand that??
Its funny I came from shopping for the new rancilio stile, and right now I'm stuck between this and the malkhonig x54. My Breville grinder pro did a me well in discovering coffee at the time, but I've out grown it. I do espresso and need to sometimes grind pour over coffee for my family. I want the timemore 078s but don't trust it'll ship in a timely manner.
Make sure you watch my video on the 078s 😅 Also got a vid on the x54!
@@DaddyGotCoffee thanks to your thoughtful reviews, I think I'm leaning towards the malkhonig x54. Although all three are capable of a great cup, the x54 seems easier to work with (wife will appreciate). Their many years of experience and ease of use shining through on dial in. We are currently single dosing, but it sounds like the burrs are forgiving and well adjusted from the factory. The DF64 does remains very interesting to me. Thanks again 👍
Totally agree about bellows and RDT, next ppl are going to fart on the beans if it improves the grind
Would be interested in your thoughts on this vs the Varia 2nd gen!?
I’ve got one on deck!
So, if we ignore price, style and all quality of life differences between this and the Niche Zero and just focus on taste performance for both espresso and filter coffee, how would you say they compare?
The zero is going to give higher body and really shines traditional espresso. IMO for milk drinks there is almost nothing better than the zero for home users esp under 1k. For filter, imo the zero can do it but is not it’s strong suit. I would choose the DF. The DF will also do a lower body/higher clarity shot that some enthusiasts prefer and would call “modern” espresso. This one comes down to priorities!
@@DaddyGotCoffee thanks!
With all the noise and all the quality and value.. Is it sacrilegious to make enough ground coffee to last a week?
Great video! What do you think are the best alternatives to this grinder that are under 500 dollars?
This really is a unique offering at the price - you can also look at the gen 1, Lagom mini, Vs3 and SD40 (these are all conical though). Eureka also has some although they are more tuned for hopper workflows
Well, it's 400 USD in the USA, but in Europe, it's 500 EUR, which is not as tempting anymore, especially considering the warranty from another country (Belgium).
Interesting you are criticizing the “industrial vibe” - I would say 8 out of 10 manual portafilter espresso machines have that vibe and it seems to be very popular in the community. I certainly love it. The DF64 Gen2 will go well with my black Gaccia Classic Pro Evo and my black normcore accessories…
Not really a critique, more an acknowledgment it’s not gonna be for everyone. It’s a very affordable grinder, but it’s not cheap. At this price point aesthetics and… ahem… spousal conversation… come into play.
Great review! but mainly because you spent almost a minute dumping on RDT and bellows. That was good! :)
Hahahahaha - I may be about to eat my words on RDT after the paper that just came out of Hendons lab! Doesn’t mean I need to like it though 🤣
I'm still unsure and can't decide between the Df64P and Df64 Gen2. What do you say?
Personally I would go with the gen2. I haven't used the P but I much prefer the adjustment mechanism location on the G2 and the ionizer is a game changer.
Now I'm torn between this and the Zerno Z1... why is it so hard to decide aaaaa
Hahahahahaha yup! You could buy several of these for a zerno though 👀
@@DaddyGotCoffee That's true and why I kind of lean towards the DF64 Gen 2... I 90% do Filter with the occasional Flair Espresso and have a Comandante C40 atm... So I would get either of them with SSP Multipurpose burrs. The Zerno is way quieter and the prebreaker as well as the low retention and easy cleaning really tempt me but the price is so high 😮💨 I can't decide hahah
work in heavy industry, don't mind the look but i don't want my kitchen to be as loud as my job lol
Is this louder than a Sette? It sounds like a fantastic package, but as a current Sette user, I'm not sure my ears could take something even louder...
The “ugly part” that you dont want its not only for getting the left over coffee out, its also mean to help cleaning the grinder and covering it from little insects like cockroaches oa any little things can accidentally drop in there, not sure if he puts it back to cover when hes done grinding and take it off when needed i dont think so seen hes like short cut, if so, why cant just leave it in there, for the look???? 😂
You are doing a lot of chesed posting these reviews
Hahahaha thank you!
The niche is the ugliest grinder out there. This looks minimalist.