1Zpresso's best espresso grinder so far
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- 1Zpresso J-Ultra is the new flagship espresso grinder from 1Zpresso. It's a big leap forward taste-wise compared to its predecessor, the J-Max.
In this review, we look at the pros and cons of the J-Ultra, which was kindly sent to me by the brand. 1Zpresso has had no influence on the review and not seen the content prior to publication.
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you said that there's a coffee community online??? where??? I'm all alone, I have no friends :(
I just ordered one for my first espresso machine (Flair Pro 2). I had a Baratza Encore but didn't want to be held back. Thanks so much! If you have to increase 7 clicks for a change, the granularity will probably be confusing to me at first (especially for v60) but I'm sure I can learn. Great channel!
I’m so satisfied with the K Max I bought a couple of years ago, I almost don’t want to watch this!
K-Max is a great all-rounder and a lot faster than this, so don't worry, you can watch safely :)
I have a J-MAX. I don’t wanna watch either!
K-Max is amazing for light roast espresso. I want a big SSP flat burr next.
@@Timmeh2Buck ditto. But I’m poor. Well, white man living in Canada, with two kids in university, poor.
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I've had this grinder for 3 months and I can contribute to your opinion a bit negatively (unfortunately). This grinder might work well for dark roasts beans (DR), as I believe you're using in your video based on the grinding speed, but it is far from good when it comes to light roasts beans (LR) and let me tell you why. The first month it was alright, I was very happy with the grinder because I could dial in DR just as I wanted, so I grabbed a bag of LR beans to try them out. I was experiencing a lot of inconsistencies while pulling shots, let's say that I had the grinder at 1.3.5 and I pulled a shot in 25 seconds, so far OK. If I pulled a second shot, it was much faster, around 18 seconds, and at that point I was asking myself many questions. So I went back to my DR bag and pulled a shot to see if something had changed with the grinder and bingo, it was much faster than what I had written in my notes. So I checked the calibration of the grinder, according to the manual it should be at 0.0.0 when the handle doesn't spin freely. It was at -0.1.0, that's OK so far, the zero position can be different, as long as you keep your reference with your own grinder it doesn't really matter because every setting you choose is relative to that. BUT that zero has to be the same, regardless of where it is, and here I found the problem. I calibrated it to 0.0.0 to do a test that could confirm my fears. I ground 18g of LR beans, and when I checked back the calibration it was shifted to -0.0.6. So the real problem here is, LR beans are much harder than DR, that's nothing new BUT that doesn't suit well this grinder, the extra force that is required to grind those harder beans is causing a miscalibration shift after every single time you grind, and for me that's a big nope. I repeated the test a couple of times and it kept shifting after every grind. I contacted the store where I purchased it, they contacted 1zpresso and I have sent it back for them to "inspect", hoping that they will give me a refund. At the product description they claim that this grinder is suitable for espresso, but not for pourover, which is a bit weird since every other grinder they have is suitable either for pourover or both espresso and pourover, there isn't any "espresso exclusive" grinder but this. And what I really think that they're trying to say here is "suitable for DR only" because DR are more likely to be used for espresso, but in any case it's misleading, I wouldn't have bought this grinder if I knew about this, I want to be able to grind LR consistently, and this is not possible with the J-Ultra. I hope someone finds this opinion useful, thanks for reading.
Sorry to hear about that. Sounds like an odd situation that could result from many different things. I has a few shots of light roasts here and there, but was mainly testing with medium and dark roasts. With regards to the suitability for pour over, I think it's just a marketing message from the brand to steer unexperienced customers in the right direction in their confusing catalogue. I agree that the taste is not great for pour over, but it can grind coffee coarsely without any issues. Grinding medium roasts for espresso probably requires the same torque as grinding lighter beans for pour over, so don't think it's because they don't have confidence in the product. It's more or less identical to K Ultra on the inside, and people grind plenty of light roasts with that grinder. Perhaps you were just unlucky and got a lemon.
@@coffeechronicler yeah I hope that it was just my unit, we'll see what their veredict is haha
Update: I returned it and got a Baratza Encore ESP, more than satisfied with the change😂
I always enjoy your videos, very balanced and fair. I currently have a j-max; do you think a j-ultra is a worthwhile upgrade? I like medium and dark roasts but sometimes I feel like I'm missing out. Thanks!
Yeah, if you want another manual grinder for espresso, then this is ideal. Definitely a big upgrade for medium roasts.
did you end up upgrading? any noticeable difference (taste wise) to the jmax?
Been using the J Max for nearly a year. It is a real workout in the morning for espresso!
lol.... I stoped using it after a few weeks for this exact reason and bought myself an eletric grinder. Never going back to hand grinding for espressos.. this is madness.
@@josealqueres I agree. I am still waiting for my Sculptor 078S to be seasoned "enough". Shots from the Sculptor as of now are a disaster!
Thanks for the great vid! Would love to see a shoot out video between the K-Ultra and J-Ultra!
Yeah, same. I have the k-ultra for both filter and espresso but find myself using it mostly for espresso
Have used the COMANDANTE C40 for some time and now using also the j-ultra - wow what a change!!! Much faster grinding, much better grip and a better cup-holder. The Glas of C40 can break and has a stupid rim. Flavor wise they are quite similar. so thumbs up for j-ultra!
Is that for espresso that j ultra is very similar to c40? I’m trying to determine conical grinder that provides good clarity but with sweetness and depth of flavor over fruity acidity that seems K series lean towards but then other conical are too sharp or imbalanced body or one note or too expensive eg kafatek mc6. Lagom mini seems this flavor but is $$ and not really for lots of espresso and c40 tedious to grind many shots in row. VS3 hypernova or J ultra seem potential but info is limited. Thank you
@Manuel-do3ng thanks for sharing your experience. Were you using C40 for espresso or filter coffee?
Thank you for this video! That last part is a gem for me because I do like 1:3 ratios with lighter roasts so I will be keeping my K-Ultra!
This or the Kinu?
I just checked out your full 1Zpresso comparison that you linked to this video. Thanks for that. I bought my J-MAX 2 years ago to supplement my old electric Breville 450XL (rebadged Wilfa Svart?) that I’ve had for a dozen years or so. At first I just wanted a travel grinder, as I’d just gotten into specialty coffee and didn’t want to put up with crap coffee away from home. I got an Aeropress at the same time to go with. I seriously considered the Q, as it would fit into the Aeropress, but decided to spend extra for “future-proofing. The J-MAX had the higher capacity, so it could replace my Breville if it died (which it just did last week), could grind espresso (if I ever decided to get into brewing espresso at home - I haven’t… yet) and Turkish, which I occasionally do. I passed over the slightly cheaper JX as it was essentially the same price, if you added in the case that was included with the J-MAX and as a bonus, the J-MAX has the better adjustment mechanism. But for the last year or so, I’ve been chasing more clarity, as I’m finding a preference for more fruit/floral forward, light roast coffees. The J-MAX was the grinder “I always wanted, before I knew what I wanted,” to quote “Weird Science.” Now that the Breville has died, I’m truly in the market for another grinder. For the past week, I’ve been looking very hard at an entry level flat burr like the Ode, or the soon to be released DF54 and the (conical) Varia VS3 with the (relatively) high clarity Hypernova Ultra burrs. The latter for its ability to grind Turkish and espresso. The ‘54 might be a no brainer, if it becomes possible to get cheap burr upgrades, if the stock burrs are inadequate to what I want. Now I’m wondering if I shouldn’t stay manual and look hard at the ZP6 or K-ULTRA. But at the same time, I really do want a capable electric grinder. Grinding Turkish by hand, sucks!! Don’t know where I’ll go yet. But more information is always appreciated. So thank you again. The good news is that I’m not in any hurry. I am quite happy with my J-MAX but am really looking forward to trying a more light roast, high clarity focused grinder. At the time of purchase, I justified cost of the J-MAX to my wife as a sort of “grinder to end all grinders.” Oops.
DF54 also provides good amounts of clarity for filter coffee. Sounds like it would be a good step up with workflow and flavors from where you're at. You will sacrifice some body, though.
@@coffeechronicler The ‘54 is definitely in the running.
I see you mention the Timemore S3... will you be making a video on that? Is yours espresso capable? If so how is it and how is the filter? Thanks
Review coming very soon. I will go intro the espresso "capabilities" :)
How would you compare the j-ultra to a df54 electric grinder flavour wise?
@@fadetoblackyoutube I like J Ultra a bit more, DF54 is less textured and balanced. It's still quite good, though.
Is that an upgrade from a Commandante for lighter roasts?
Have you tried the x ultra ? I readed the burrs are not the same compared to the x pro,especially the outter burrs
Is that a little vintage Tissot Antimagnetique being shake-tested by hand grinding you have there?
Good eye!
@@coffeechroniclerAh, I restored a similar one (central seconds though). Mine's from 1952 and has a beautiful even yellow patina. I might wind it up for the morning grind now you've reminded me of it.
Hi, i own the zp6 for light washed coffee, i search another grinder for both espresso and pour over. This J ultra IS great for espresso but what about pour over ( zp6 lacks Dynamic for anaérobie ou medium black coffee)
It's not great for pour over, I'd go for K Ultra or X Pro instead
What do you think of the !Zpresso J-Max?
How do you compare Kinu M47 classic to this one in terms of Espresso? Thank you so much! ❤
At J-Max I have problem that small parts of partialy crushed beans are flying all over my room when grinding. Probably from top part? It is really annoying. Only big parts and all over room. How to eliminate this?
Hello good morning,
I thank you in advance if you answer me.
In my family there are those who are in love with espresso and those who are in love with pourover. I have thought as a coffee grinder to get the Weber key mk II.
At the same time I like manual coffee grinders. For espresso I was thinking about the kinu m47 Classic or the 1zpresso j-ultra. Whereas for pourover 1zpresso zp6 special. Or I might consider the kinu m68 all-around.
What would you consider as a choice that takes into account the result in the cup?
Cordially,
Catalin
How similar is the espresso quality to the kinu m47 grinders?
As I recall m47 has a bit more body, while you get more sweetness and balanced aftertaste with Ultra. But overall, they're quite similar. It's been a while since I tried it though, and I'm also unsure whether the Kinu burr has changed a bit since then.
@@coffeechronicler Thanks. The small differences you mention sound interesting! I got the kinu simplicity as a replacement for my older phoenix. I'm also not sure if they have changed the burr. The one in my phoenix was faster since the first day and now that i've had the simplicity for a few months I can say it is still slower, but can't copare cup quality since i gave back the phoenix.
I just bough my first espresso setup and I didn't want to be hold back by the grinder, so I picked this one. If I get it, it's a premium grinder for a fraction of the price of premium electric grinders (am I right?) I really believe I will be happy with it, paired with my Gaggia Classic Evo Pro. Very excited to receive it, thanks for the video !
Hi there. I'm following your steps and I'm preparing for my first coffee setup. I've been using the Phillips 3200 LatteGo so far, but I want to experiment and learn new techniques so I want to move to a semi-auto espresso machine with a separate grinder. I'm aiming for a hand grinder as a first solely for the price/performance ratio. Are you satisfied with your purchase?
@@StanDaMann Hi! I am super satisfied, I couldn't dream for anything else :) The grinder has very precise adjustments and the gaggia works very well. As of right now, I can even dial in pretty light Ethiopian coffees, but to get a bit more flavour and consistency, the next step is to do the gaggiuino mod! Good luck with your research :)
@@elyselapalme7040 appreciate your feedback. Happy brewing! ☕
I've got the much older JX-Pro (not the S model, though), and while I appreciate the advantages of this one, especially losing 100g of weight, I don't use it enough (though I do use it) to justify upgrading. But I do appreciate your balanced review!
Why do you say light roast is better in K Ultra? Doesn't J Ultra have 500 settings compared to 124 settings in K Ultra?
The settings don't have so much to with the flavor presentation/quality. It's more about being able to dial in the shot in a logical, precise way. As long as you can grind fine enough (you can with both these models), you should be able to pull a succesful shot.
How does it compare to the KPLUS ? Would be worth the upgrade ? (I have a Lagoom Mini that taste almost like the KPLUS) I'm wondering if they have a big difference in profile.
Yes, this would give something very different in the cup. Upgrade for sure.
Can I use the crank & handle of my K-Plus on the J-Ultra? Unfortunately, due to what I assume was the legal battle between 1ZPresso and Comandante, the new crank system and knob design are just a deal-breaker for me.
Yes, you can! The diameter of the plastic disc is a bit too small so there's a small gap at the edges but in practice it works totally fine and is probably even a bit faster than the stock handle.
Besides the finer adjustment, how does it compare to the kingrinder?
I'm not familiar with Kingrinder's espresso options. But it looks like they use a different burr set to the J-Ultra, so flavor profile will likely be different as well.
Hi, how do you think, would it be an upgrade to
1) Kingrinder K4
2) DF64 GEN 2 with DLC burr set
Espresso ONLY, middle to darker roasts.
Thanks in advance.
Assuming K4 has burrs identical to J Max and DF has stock burrs. Then flavor-wise, I'd pick J Ultra most of the time.
Thank you. Î have finally found the perfect match for my La Pavoni Esperto Abile, which requires very very fine coffee.
Amazing toy (once you master its calibration and settings).
I’m relatively new to making coffee and my hario completely broke down after a couple of months and I’m getting desperate for a really solid one. I primarily brew with moka pot and VERY occasionally, pour overs. I believe the x or the k series would be suited for my use? Problem is x pro is no longer available in my country and k max is out as well. The reviews for x ultra isn’t very positive.. K ultra though, is way too expensive. I’m thus thinking if I can get away with j ultra which is understand is more for espresso.
How is J-ULTRA, K-ULTRA vs Femobook A5? A comparison video is much needed 😂
Femobook A5 and K Ultra are like close brothers, both good at acidity and clarity. J-Ultra is more a distant cousin that excels at espresso.
I currently have the JX but would like to get a better grinder, more espresso focused. Got tempted into JE plus with blind shaker but found this JUltra and now i’m thorn betweeen both grinders. Thinking only espresso, for medium light roasts and probably only brazilian beans, which one would you choose? Keep in mind that jultra would cost me twice the price of je plus. Thanks in advance :)
JE Plus is also excellent, so at half the price it would be a great option!
@@coffeechronicler thanks
so what's the best option for espresso hand grinder now?
j ultra mas, best purchase so far.. mainly used for rokpresso, aeropress, mokapot
@coffeechronicler
How would you compare the J-Ultra with the X-Pro?
I currently have the X-Pro and I’m using it for med & light roast espresso with my Flair 58. I really like it.
I also love the pourover it makes.
X Pro offers that heptagonal espresso profile, which is solid, especially for more fruity flavors. J Ultra adds more body and texture and is very good at balancing flavors, so shots don't get one-dimensional or astringent.
@@coffeechronicler I have the X-Ultra which uses the same burrs as the X-Pro (right?) but im struggling to get good espresso from it using my Sage Dual Boiler. I find the shots to be really sour most of the time. I am aiming for 18g in 36g out in 25 to 30 seconds, so really a standard recipe. Could the grinder be at fault or is user error more likely? Im a beginner so I would not rule out me being the problem.
@@5698max I’m not an expert but I have a hand conical grinder and light roasted coffee turns out too sour and in a sharp way. I compared the same light roasted coffee from my conical grinder and from flat burr Mahlkonig grinder and the difference is big. Coffee from Mahlkonig grinder turned out smooth and less acidic. There was acidity but it was smooth and pleasant while my conical grinder produces acidity in a sharp unpleasant way.
@@5698max Sour shots are unfortunately a very common problem for espresso beginners. You could try to extent your ratio to 1:2.5-3, grind finer, or use hotter water. Or look into the beans and get something darker, which is easier to extract.
I'm still looking for a good travel grinder for my picopresso. How does the flavor profile on the J-Ultra compare to something like the Sette 270? I ask, because that is what I use, lol. I also have a Kingrinder K6 but I don't like the flavor profile it produces for espresso. The body is thin, and everything is more acidic than I'd prefer. I want something fuller and sweeter in the cup.
Any hand grinder suggestion is fine. I just want to match the flavor profile that I am used to. The Sette or ESP pair with both my Bambino and picopresso well for my taste so I'd like something similar.
I do tend to like darker roasted specialty coffee around 50-52 agtron but I also like some traditional robust blends like offerings from Saka.
If you have any suggestions, thank you.
I cleaned my J-Max and found a gray substance on the lower bearing and the lower bearing cap. Has anyone experienced this? I am concerned if this is a dangerous substance and if this happens on all the 1Zpressso grinders.
I have the JE, while I did enjoy its fast grinding speed, the effort required for Scandinavian espresso roast levels was too much. It didn’t take long for the silicon sleeve to loosen from the body. The static issue was also a problem, which 1zpresso seems to have mitigated by removing the plate under the inner burr and use a different grind adjustment. Your review has tempted me to take it out of storage and play around with beans that are more developed and not that stupid “omniroast” profile.
Try that! You might be surprised. And yes, please no omni-roasts, haha!
With a K Ultra and medium to light roasts normally would you get this or just use the k ultra ?
Tough one. If the goal is strictly espresso, then this. But if you will also brew some filter coffee, then go for K.
@@coffeechronicler no I have the k ultra do lots of pourover but just got a breville too. I’m assuming the k ultra is better than the built in grinder.
Please, please tell me, is it possible to grind on the J-Ultra for filter coffee (Pour Over, etc.)? Or is this grinder only for espresso and has no grind settings for filter coffee at all?
@@vladikuz it has grind settings for it, no problem.
@@coffeechronicler Thank you very much for your answer and for your video. On the 1Zpresso website, J-Ultra is positioned as exclusively for espresso (that’s why my question arose). Probably, because it can create slightly more fines particles at the medium and course grind range?.. I'm choosing now between X-Ultra and J-Ultra. Primarily for making espresso, but sometimes I also make filter coffee. X-Ultra is considered universal, but in my country it currently costs a little ($14) more than J-Ultra, although based on prices from the same official website, J-Ultra should be $30 more expensive. Please tell me (if you have such information) - will X-Ultra have a radically cleaner grind for filter coffee than J-Ultra?
I'd go for J Ultra in your case. You can check out my website for more info on the X Ultra. coffeechronicler.com/best-1zpresso-grinder-overview/
@@coffeechronicler Thank you!
I do not understand how a grinder effects the acidity. If you are able to grind it equally fine, should the coffee not have the same acidity? If there is a difference, does it not mean that you were not able to grind it equally fine? In theory you should be able to get the same acidity result from all the grinders if you are using the same beans am I wrong? As I said I do not get the math here 😊
love my j-ultra!
i don't do espresso at all. i have a K Ultra and just got the X Ultra for when we stay at the in-laws. Figure I'm pretty well covered, no need to run after this one now 😅
You think it grinds Turkish coffee too? Cezve/ibrik ultrafine.
isn't K-max a better all rounder that can do espresso & filter, instead of this for just espresso?
At what scale to pour over and french press?
"It's a bit of an exercise"
True, but I'd say technique matters more. You need to learn how to leverage momentum and find the right speed. It's not something to contemplate a lot about though because muscle memory kicks in, so it's just a matter of practice over a couple of weeks.
I was also sitting down. It's easier to get momentum when you're standing.
Very small change on the burr geometry and did you really get all these notes, flavors and all these differences?
I got lucky with a k ultra on sale and usually just 1 click will change shot time so much but I also like a thick slow shot
You dont have a Kinu M47 review?
Would the J-Ultra be an upgrade compared to the K6? K6 can grind well and quickly for espresso, but it is not comfortable. Maybe a J-max or even a k4 to get a different sensory profile?
Yes taste-wise.. Although the UX of manual grinding will largely be the same.
Do you have a grind chart setting for the JUIltra ?
You convinced me. Just hit the button to buy.
8:04 Was there a new tamping technique I missed?
If you have a calibrated tamper, you might as well use it as a leveler as well 😉
does it better then electric grinder, say DF-54?
Why are the burrs chipped? I saw a review on Amazon with a client from Germany noticing the same issue, burrs chipped after using the grinder 3 times. 😮
Of course, quality control is important. But I think many first-time buyers are a bit too sensitive about small scuffs on burrs. I see posts about this (related to a wide range brands) quite frequently, and usually there's nothing to worry about. I looked over my footage again, and you can see a few nicks on the J-Max which is a 3 years old grinder.
When you tested it for espresso, did you hold it verticaly? Or with angle?
Im holding it at an angle and
Having small differences between shots, wondering if thats the reason
Всё верно. То, как вы держите ручную кофемолку, оказывает большое влияние на конечный результат, т.е. на качество пролива в эспрессо машине. Могу сказать это, исходя из собственного опыта с Kingrinder K4. Поначалу я держал её просто в руке под углом и вращал ручку, проливы были каждый раз очень разными, стабильности не было вообще, я был очень разочарованн кофемолкой и хотел продать её. Потом посмотрел виде, где рассказывалось о том, как важно держать ее вертикально на столе и не давать ей болтаться во время вращения. Стал так делать и результат поменялся полностью в лучшую сторону, теперь у меня стабильные и равомерные проливы каждый раз, а я очень доволен своей кофемолкой.
your setting is 6 7click?
Anyone has experience with pour overs with J-Ultra?
I’ve got a MAJOR dilemma!!
I’m new to making coffee and just bought a k-ultra and ordered a J-ultra after I realized it is better for making espresso.
I will be making mostly espresso as I have just purchased a flair 58+. However, I will occasionally be making some Vietnamese coffee and some in a French press.
I want to geek out and make great coffee!!!
Should I keep both the k-ultra and J-ultra, as I’ve heard the k-ultra is better for courser grinds, or is the j-ultra good enough for an unrefined newbie like myself?
It sounds like you like you're gravitating more towards body/texture and more chocolatey flavors - even when you're not brewing espresso. In that case, J-Ultra would cover you better. K-Ultra is more aimed at lighter roasts, clarity and longer brew ratios.
@@coffeechronicler This is spot on.. I never realized how much I enjoyed the body/texture in addition to taste…
You just gave me clarity on my coffee preferences and saved me $200 🙏🏼
I will now be binging all your videos!
Excellent review Asser. Posted this to mastodon.
Thanks Mark, much appreciated!
I’ve had the JE-Plus for several years now and I love that grinder. There is something about the shots that are just total perfection for what I like, light and medium roasts with decent clarity but amazing roundness. I know that 1zpresso recently rereleased it with an in house burr instead of the Italmill burr. I wonder how that burr compares with the J-Ultra….. 🤔
I have the same question. It is possible that the new JE-PLUS and the J-Ultra share the same burr set ? If I look at the @coffeechronicler ranking they are similar. Probably the JE-PLUS in the ranking is the old one with the 47 mm Italmill burr, but the new burr developed should be very similar in taste according to several users. 1Zpresso are not very consistent and up to date on their description. On their website, it seem they have 47 mm burr on the comparaison chart weight 840g (old model ?), but on the JEPLUS page, the weight is 935g.
I hold hand grinders sideways somewhat which puts less pressure, takes a but longer but is easier to turn.
Holding it sideways is much esier but it drastically changes the grind distribution and the taste, i suggest trying grinding while holding it straight to see which you like more
Would love your opinion. I’m upgrading from an old Rancilio Rocky. Looking for single dose espresso, for home use only. I’m really torn between the J Ultra and the DF64 Gen 2. This review makes believe that the J Ultra would make a better espresso. Despite that, am I crazy to consider a hand grinder for espresso?!!! DF64 Gen 2 are 30% off right now.
I wouldn't say neither is better, they are just very different. Hand grinding for espresso is tough, so unless you have a specific wish for a manual grinder or know that you love conical burrs, I'd probably suggest the DF64.
Thanks so much for responding! It was exactly the info I needed. Love the channel!
@@coffeechroniclerapologies if i'm mistaken, but i believe you do point out (towards the end), that you'd go with the ultra over your other electrical grinders (flat burrs) for espresso. in your response above it sounds different.
i do have the j-max currently and am quite happy with it, but am, too, wondering if i should upgrade to the ultra based on your taste notes and also that remark about your choice over flat burrs (body vs clarity). now i'm back to being confused 😂
Thanks for this review. Each time it add some information to my "initiate barista" knowledge. I'm in the process of shopping for a new grinder. I thought of the K-Ultra but now I'm unsure. I mainly brew espresso (with my Hugh Leverpresso Pro) and Aeropress and now I hesitate between K-Ultra, J-Ultra or the new Timemore S3. If you have a recommendation (or someone in the community) I'd appreciate it.
Timemore S3 doesn't grind fine enough for comfortable espresso dial-in. I'd pick J-Ultra in your shoes.
@@coffeechronicler thank you for taking the time to reply. Cheers!
You said "the flavor is on par or probably better than original JE". Does the J-Ultra have also the same thick body ? I have KinGrinder K6 (same burr set as K-Ultra) and I want to have an espresso grinder with more body for traditonnal style espresso. I'm torn between Kinu m47, JE PLUS and after seeing your J Ultra video. Is the J Ultra is in the same category?
Yes, it still retains a lot of the old characteristics, but just a bit more sophistication.
@@coffeechronicler thanks for your reply and your interesting content !
I’m new to the world of espresso but I have such a hard time imagining this stuff making a big difference haha
Honestly I'm not sure it does. Maybe some can tell the difference but you'd really have to be trying. I've seen people do blind taste tests and most of the time they fail. Not for this specific grinder but other electric grinders. A lot of confirmation bias going on in this "hobby" or whatever you'd like to call it. Consumerism is alive and well.
There's a significant gap between entry-level vs solid mid-level. But once you get to that, then yes, it's somewhat diminishing returns. Small variations in extraction percentage can easily skew a grinder comparison in favor of a cheaper model. I always try not to hype up small differences. But in this instance, I think there's a clear improvement versus the model it's replacing.
Thank you for your videos!! I have a question regarding brew time with handgrinders. Does it vary more than with electric grinders? I just got the Profitec Go and use my K Ultra for grinding and have quite "big" variations in my brewtimes with the same settings.
In theory, there shouldn't be. But it might be possible that you're grinding at different angles or speed, which could cause some changes in the grind size distribution.
Yeah, that may be the thing. The coffee bed agitation due to the pour of water may be a key to it, too
is it better than DF64V tastevise?
A bit of an apples and pears comparsion, but for espresso I would say yes. I have had more memorable shots from this one. But DF64V wins in filter coffee and can be upgraded with new burrs.
Hi. I have a J Max. Do you think it will be an upgrade just in terms of taste to go for flat burrs grinders like DF 64 or DF83V with stock burrs? Or DF 64 with SSP esspresso burr? Or Zerno with SSP espresso burr? Just in terms of taste, which will be the best. I really dont mind hand grinding
All these would be worthy upgrades. I like SSP HU 64 mm and Lab Sweet 83 a lot for espresso. But a great conical provides something different.
@@coffeechroniclerHi. Tks for your reply. May I know if you think SSP HU 64mm on DF 64 or DF 64 V will be better than on Zerno? what will be a great conical burr?
@@HaveAGoodHeart Haven't tried the Zerno so hard to say.
@@coffeechronicler tks for your help
Faster grinder might be too much torque for weaker users
Wtf just happened at 08:04 , take it easy ...
Secret new distriubtion technique ;)
@@coffeechronicler😮 I thought you were over caffeinated. Now we will need a video on that new technique 😅
Crap, now i gotta sell the jmax
Hehe, not if you enjoy it
@@coffeechronicler i wont now lol 😂 when you said sour shot, it kind of clicked in my head with my past experience
I love my K-Plus.
У меня тоже K-Plus - идеальное качество помола и удобство. Я доволен и мне другого пока не надо.
@@AlikKra Спасибо, что дали мне возможность впервые использовать Google Translate. Я не могу с вами больше согласиться.
I've been using the J-Max for quite a while, but recently moved to an 078s for my espresso. There are many upsides to the Timemore, but I do miss the precision and repeatability of the J-Max settings.
Hey, great review! Can you tell me how the effort required to grind for espresso is compared to the K-Ultra?
I would say quite similar. The design is almost identical and there's not a big difference in the torque required.
Great video, thanks! Any idea how it would compare with a kafatek conical in the cup?
Thanks! Wouldn't be able to say, it's so long since I tried it