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I’m debating if I should get a 2020 Silverado rst with the 5.3 as well, but I’m hearing a lot of bad things about them. What’s your experience with the truck so far ?
Although the 10-speed gives a mechanical advantage over the 8-speed, the increased frontal area, and higher coefficient of drag on the trail boss decreases its efficiency because it makes it less aerodynamic. Also, the duratracs have parasitic losses due to higher rolling resistance, in addition to the higher rotational inertia. This is why the LTZ is faster, and gets better fuel efficiency. The conclusion from this video should not be that the 8-speed is better than the 10-speed, it should be that the 10-speed is having to overcome a lot of disadvantages on the trail boss in order to make the truck perform better.
Awesome video, love see chevrolet videos. My ‘14 Silverado 4X4, 5.3l & 6-speed Auto, still impresses me after 3 yrs of ownership and 160,000 miles later and still getting over 20 mpg on the highway. Love Chevrolet for Life. Thanks TFL.
Great video, especially since I just bought a new 2020 4x4 Silverado LT with the 5.3 L and the 8-speed (3.42 gears). I got 22.2 on a 24 mile hwy run at 68 MPH on cruise control.
I have a 2007 F150 with over 200k miles and it still doesn't burn oil. The Coyote 5.0 L is a lot better engine than the 5.4. The 5.3 GM engine is having major issues with their silly 4 cylinder mode.
I have a 2020 LT crew cab trail boss 5.3 and I’m lucky if I get 15-16 it’s got about 1500 miles on it now and that’s not lead footing it at all it’s a hog
@@davidporter7051 Unless you’re driving on a straight and flat stretch of road, cruise control will actually (normally) hurt your mpg’s, because the vehicle typically gears down 2-4 gears if you go up a hill and fall 2mph below what you have the cruise set at.
I know there's a lawsuit on the 8 speed but there is a lot of people that like the 8 speed. Also I've heard that people say when they deactivate the amf/dfm the transmissions shift better. Makes me wonder if the maybe there isn't so much of a problem with the transmission but maybe it's the cylinder deactivation that's causing the issues. 🤔 Has anyone else heard of this?
This was shown when the camaro went from the 8 speed to the 10 speed too. The times were exactly the same. But I would never get the gm 8 speed. So many problems. The 10r80 is still superior.
Thanks for the video, I knew you guys would put the pedal to the metal. This video confirms my decision to pick the trail boss over the LTZ. Really enjoyed the video.
Pretty surprised by the results as the LTZ has to be heavier and with the 8spd. But I guess the extra height and off road tires really do make a difference.
This is a very good comparison. I just recently traded my 2019 Ram Rebel after 2 years for the GMC Sierra AT4. While I still feel my Ram Rebel was hands down far superior in interior fit/finish/materials, electronic functions (driver display center, and UConnect system), and just about every feature of the interior, ride quality was also superior. But I was still very unhappy with Fiat/Chrysler for misleading fuel economy figures of the Ram Rebel. I drive from Florida to the midwest multiple times per year and the Rebel's fuel economy was absolutely dismal. The AT4 I purchased is loaded. The fuel economy was spot on what I expected and averages 3-5 mpg higher than the Rebel. As for your test results, I believe the tires are more to blame. My AT4 came with the 20" tires, but I did not want to pay the $899 for them so I had to wait till the dealer got the 18" Duratracs in. I drove 2 tanks of gas with the 20's before installation of the the 18" Duratracs were complete. Mileage dropped 1.5 mpg. So overcoming the beefy tread of the Duratracs takes away from both performance and economy.
JustJay 0312 yea, I understand not being happy with fuel economy but getting rid of a truck that you admit was superior because of a couple mpg is odd. Whatever it’s his money and his truck lol.
@@irishuwould5185Well you expect to use a lot more gas when driving a truck, but you don't need to waste money, and unless you have a bottomless less wallet, it is a consideration. I think they Ram is just soo much more heavy, would be the main reason for worst millage.
ofmyownaccord well I guess I got my fingers crossed that they solved the problem. Just bought a 19 ltz 5.3 8speed about a month ago rushing to seize the zero percent apr financing. Didn’t realize the zero percent was going to be available for so many months or else I wouldn’t have rushed into it.Wish I would have went with the 6.2 or done more research first. Wish me luck 🤞
The 10 speed is meant more for long hill climbs. The 10 speed can easier keep the engine in the sweet spot, compared to the 8 speed. That's where you'd see the difference.
Trailboss 32.1" tires with the 18" wheels. (275/65 R18) LTZ 33" tires with 20" wheels. (275/60 R20) That means the trailboss has a gearing advantage with the smaller diameter tires. That combined with the 10-speed. If both trucks had 35" tires or larger then the advantage of the 10-speed would be more noticeable. 10 gears gives you more headroom to throw on larger tires without having to change the rear end ratio to compensate. I think that's why they slapped the 10-speed on the Trailboss.
Excellent point. I was hoping someone would mention this. Tire size - rotation - transmission gearing - rear end gearing all amounts to speed and quickness.
I am partial to victory red, same as my 06 Silverado reg cab short bed with (factory) v8 and manual transmission, and 3.23 gears... and I still get 17mpg city without any of the cylinder deactivation or other fancy technology bits, thanks to the 4200 lb curb weight and manual transmission.
Very surprising results honestly especially considering the LTZ has taller gearing with the 8 speed and even has taller tires to boot. Assuming the LTZ has 275/60/20, that's a 32.9" tire and the trailboss has 275/65/18, thats a 32.1" tire. 8L90 1st gear ratio is 4.56 10L90 1st gear ratio is 4.70 I'm assuming both trucks are 3.23 rear end Maybe the silver truck is just a factory freak lol
The 8 speed has longer gearing and does not need to shift as often. Back in the day when manuals were quicker than autos, a 5 speed was generally faster though the quarter than a 6 speed if everything else was equal. You would normally finish the quarter in 3rd in the 5 speed vs 4th in the 6 speed. Shifting interrupts momentum.
@@darylcopp9013 not sure what transmissions you are comparing, but "back in the day" the Borg Warner T5 was a VERY common 5 spd, and the T56 was pretty much the only 6 spd you saw. They were both at a 1:1 ratio in 4th gear. 1-4 were geared very similar in most cases. Then both had 5th gear as an over drive, with the t56 getting an additional taller ratio as its sixth gear. In a situation like this, the ONLY way that a 6 spd car was crossing the line in 4th, while the 5 spd was in third, is if the owner of the 6 spd had dropped some really deep rear end gears in it.
@@ShyaMiss I know in a 3000GT with the 6 speed would end up in 4th which was 0.918 because 3rd was 1.241. The 5 speed, 3rd was 1.103 and could just get over the line.
@@ShyaMiss per the 3000GT wiki comparing the 1993 to the 1994, "The VR-4 model now included a six-speed Getrag manual transmission with revised gear ratios, especially in lower gears like 3rd which went until approximately 107 mph (172 km/h) (vs the first generation 3000GT VR-4's third gear which went until 120 mph (193 km/h)."
I think 6-8 speeds is enough, on my F-150 I think 10 speeds is too much. The 6 speed in my Lincoln is perfect for acceleration off the line and for low revs on the highway.
Another life lesson where I think the bigger number is the best option and find out it's not what I thought it was... still learning this over and over again.
One thing he didn't mention about the Z71 package I found while shopping for a Chevy truck- Without Z71 you only get a one speed transfer case- that's right no 4Lo, only a terrain control which is an electronic crutch that uses traction control like braking to "pop" you out of a rut by essentially torque braking! So far Silverado is the only full size 4WD to not give you a 4 Lo- I guess they want to make a few hundred more dollars per unit hoping no one notices!!!
It’s the way their tuned I believe. In Fords the 10 speed shifts a lot quicker than the older transmissions and when they shift they are firm and don’t lag.
More speeds equals more time in the max power band. 2 gears would dig you back down too far in rpm. The 10 speed in the f150s made a huge speed improvement it seems
@@MrInzombia Not anywhere near what you think, maybe .25 mpg. But if you take that times the hundreds of thousands of trucks they sell in a year then that's a win to the EPA.
I'd buy a dark blue RST z71 Silverado right now if there were any in stock in my area. This video just decided me over the trailboss. gas mileage and 0-60 speed. been waiting on this comparison for a while.
That wouldn't be a fair race, as the Ford would beat that Bowtie ***, and the GM faithful will scream unfair race and all of that. Personally, I'd love to see it happen!
I'm going to be one that complains that not everything is matched. Tires can make a difference and your MPG shows this at the end. As for which I would take it would depend on what I am buying it for. If I plan on using mainly on the highway it would be the Zed if using offroad it would be the Trail Boss.
I swear, Chevy trucks always look great in that silver color. Its the best color you can choose for your truck. The LTZ was quicker because it has to go through less gears compared to the 10 gears box on the trail boss
I asked Chevy why you could not get a Trail Boss in LTZ trim at on the inside. Needless to say I haven ' theard back from them! Great job guys on these tests . These two models are the finalists for my next truck!
That GM/Ford developed 10 speed shifts way to soon, which may be good for economy but not that fun to me for performance. I much prefer ZF's 8 Speed Auto.
Both are adequately fast. Fun video though. I know that someone mentioned more gears takes more time to shift but really these were probably both only in 2nd gear by the end of that race. I wonder if the lift may have had something to do with it. Taller truck may take more time for weight to transfer on hookup? IDK results are certainly not what I would have expected. Maybe the computer in the 10 speed is pulling power in 1st gear to protect it?
I don't like chrome either, but that LTZ is so luxurious. I'd have to go with that. My mother in law has one and I'm always looking for a reason to borrow it.
I have the GMC version and those duratrac tires are extremely loud on the road and when i switched over to a BF KO's i notice a big fuel economy jump also.
I run duratracs in the winter/off-road and SRAs for warmer/highway driving and the duratracs are whisper quiet in comparisons to the SRAs. I would not call them “extremely loud at all, as I can barely hear them at all when I drive.
Im swapping l83 5.3 in my 80 cutlass supreme its a 6speed planning on racing hope I win alot of races 🏁 going to make a RUclips channel showing my results
Here's the answer for the results: 275/60 R20 on Z71 is 32.1" tall 275/65 R18 on Trail Boss is 33" tall Even though it's only .9" difference it will make a slight difference in acceleration which we see here. You should also compare the exact ratios of each gear and which gears are used until the finish.
I’m currently driving a Charger Scat Pack with close to 500 HP, and I’m seriously considering a TB. I don’t know why I’m worried about a reduction in HP with a truck. When I drove a 2010 Silverado LT with 310 HP, I thought it flew so I imagine the TB is a huge lighter upgrade
I am a big fan of the Silverados but I have to take issue with those gill plates on the front side of each fender. In the winter time filthy salt spray from winter driving on slushy freeways builds up in those slats. When the temperature drops below 20 it would take you $10.00 in quarters to try and clean the dirty ice out of there at the spray wash. Even in the summer it seems as if they are dirt traps that are difficult to clean.
No surprise. The Less shifts the more power you get from engine on every gear on good transmission. There is a reason drag cars have a 2 speed transmission in most cases.
10 speed is efficient yes but when it comes to acceleration of course it while lose because it has to shift alot of times to speed up. I think difference will become apparent in towing heavy loads thats is why semi truck even have more than 10 gears.
Yeah at some point a Vette got to a ridiculously low 0-60 time because it could hit 60 in 1st gear. Would have been nice for TFL to mention what gear the trucks were in when they hit 60.
@Radford Tataryn it was worse because of the tires and lift. More drag = less fuel mileage. Put the 5.3 and 10 speed in the ltz and it would be much better.
It'a probably too late to test, but what would be interesting is to change the tires and wheels from one truck to the other and then run them again. You may find it is all in the tires.
Its the heavier tires on the trail boss for sure. More Rotating mass will surely kill acceleration and efficiency. Good video. Oh and Thank you for saying "pounds-ft" and not "foot-pounds".
The fact that the ten speed is slower is just disappointing. I wonder if it’s a software thing like it won’t allow it to jump multiple gears? I have no clue.
If more gears would make something faster then drag racers wouldnt use 2 or 3 speeds so this kinda proves the theory that less gears might help from a drag but probably not at speed
Next time do a Custom crew cab short bed with the Custom Value Package (in black) vs a Custom Trail Boss crew cab standard bed with the Dark Essentials package (in red). That’s what we want to see.
I'd bet money the difference is in the torque converter tune. The 10speed is tuned for economy so the torque converter probably isn't going to be as aggressive with stall speeds. Even though the 10 speed's first gear 4.70 is slightly shorter than the 8 speed's 4.56, a higher torque converter stall and more aggressive ramp up would make the 8 speed quicker off the line.
I’ll say it. My 2014 was and still is a fun truck to drive. From stock it topped out at 110 but for some reason my brothers 2020 Silverado tops out at 95. Now I have lots of work put into it and tops out at 160, 140 on the dash but in the display it will show you how much faster your actually going than the needle gauges. Idk if that can be done on the newer 2020s 🤷🏻♂️
Would have thought the 10 spd had advantage, but tire weight, tire height impacts gear ratio some. As for looks, I still like to see some chrome, the silver truck looks classy, but some like blacked out look.
the biggest difference in acceleration between the two are the bigger tires on the Trail Boss! Bigger heavier tires will always be slower to get going!
I removed the air dam on my silver LTZ, and my God! What a difference. No change in MPG at all. And I'm supprised you found an LTZ without the Bose speakers. You got ripped off on that.
I have driven both and I would take the LTZ, but don't care for all the chrome. Also for been so different they were not that far apart in performance.
I bought the LTZ 2019 with the 8 speed. I was a little irritated when they started putting the 10 speed in the Trail Boss. Now I know that Chevy had to go with a 10 speed for marketing prowess. I love my LTZ And I can put the Trail Boss factory lift on it if I want for just $1400. And I have all the LTZ stuff. Also LTZ has power passenger seat. I use the folding mirrors daily.
I recently bought a 19 Ltz 5.3 with the 8speed. But I keep seeing people saying horrible things about the the 8speed transmission. Hope it’s not true. Because I am now regretting not going with the 6.2 engine. Any input would be appreciated?
@@michaelshirazi7382 the 6.2L is a powerhouse, but remember you must use premium to get the max performance. If you aren't towing often and not drag racing, the 5.3 is more than enough. I do worry about DFM down the line on both engines. Always scary when introducing new tech like this, such as what happened with early AFM 5.3s back in the day.
5.3 and 8 speed are proven technologies. The 10 speed is for competing with other brands and will have changes made to it when failures happen. The 6.2 is nice, but heavier, thirsty, and needs premium fuel. 6.2 belongs in the corvette. Buy a cold air intake, and install the trail boss lift from factory, keep the LTZ tires they are taller and will have higher ground clearance at pumpkin anyway. I thought the duratracks would be quicker because they are not as tall. (smaller diameter = geared down, so should be faster, but are heavier) My LTZ tires are about a half inch taller.
@@michaelshirazi7382 I bought a 18 ltz with 8 speed. Then I started reading about all the problems. I haven't had an issue. Although I have only 20000 miles on it. Sure makes me worry tho.
I wouldn't worry about difference between 8-10 speeds. It will never be as big as going from 4 speed to 6 and even 6 to 8. This race would be interesting with a trailer.
The 10 spd has deeper ratios in the lower gears though. First gear actually has a decent gearing advantage compared to the 8 spd. I dont think it's the final drive ratio making the difference. But, the extra rotational mass of the trailboss tire/wheel package, the higher rolling resistance of the tires, all the little things that cut efficiency. That stuff is adding up to give an overall edge to the 8 spd equipped LTZ. It's also worth remembering that even two identical trucks will usually show one as having a slight edge over the other.
I wish you'd comment on the refinement around town between the two transmissions. The 8 speed has a lot of people who dislike it's shift logic and clunkiness.
You'll find the same amount of people complaining about the 10speed. I've driven both and own the 8 speed. You get 1 or 2 harsh shifts when it's cold. The 10 speed does the same. I owned a 6 speed Ford before my Trail Boss, it also did similar harsh cold shifts.
Any desires to go off black top would easily be handled by the LTZ without the Z71 package so that’s the way I’d go every time plus I prefer the chrome on these trucks
Same 3.23 gears but taller/heavier tires on Trail Boss makes it accelerate slower, even with 10-speed. Needs a 3.42 or even better, a 3.73. And, might as well throw in the 6.2L too. 😆.
Honestly just because the silver Chevy only has an 8 speed doesn't mean the gearing's not different in the differential in the back. The other thing is those two extra gears really probably won't make a difference at all until you're talkin much higher speed than you're ever going to hit on that short racetrack.
JH5076 unless it eats the lifters and cam lobes. Or it starts eating oil in the cold cylinders. Or the oil pickup oring let’s the oilpump suck air and wreck the cam bearings. But other than that it’s a good engine.
A 10 speed with a torque ladden V8 isn't going to make it faster, it just makes it more efficient and tows better. A 6 speed auto with an 8 cyl is the fastest combo if you're only talking straight line speed.
I'd like to see you swap wheels and tires between the trucks and see what they do. I'll bet that is the difference more so than the transmissions. Off road tires kill 0-60 and mpg.
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Would like to see this done with the new Range DFM disabler (full V8 all the time). My '19 Z71 drives so much better now. I took the hidious air dam off in about 15 minutes.
Andre. Fun video. Just a nit, the differential ratio is the same front and rear. If you can’t open and close your tailgate you should be driving a Honda
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Great info! Surprising results. Would love to see compared to the 2500 with the new 6.6 gas engine.
Tire height and gear ratios?
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I just purchased a 2019 Silverado 5.3 LTZ with 8 speed non Z71 with 22 inch rims and love it Thanks TFLT for all your info in your vids
I’m debating if I should get a 2020 Silverado rst with the 5.3 as well, but I’m hearing a lot of bad things about them. What’s your experience with the truck so far ?
What’s all the chaos on chevys 8 speed transmissions...I’m really wanting to purchase an 8 speed cargo van but I’m kind of hesitant
Although the 10-speed gives a mechanical advantage over the 8-speed, the increased frontal area, and higher coefficient of drag on the trail boss decreases its efficiency because it makes it less aerodynamic. Also, the duratracs have parasitic losses due to higher rolling resistance, in addition to the higher rotational inertia. This is why the LTZ is faster, and gets better fuel efficiency. The conclusion from this video should not be that the 8-speed is better than the 10-speed, it should be that the 10-speed is having to overcome a lot of disadvantages on the trail boss in order to make the truck perform better.
The 8 speed has always been faster than the 10. The 10 is smoother, more reliable, and a good amount more efficient.
Andre's Homer Simpson impression "Oooh power folding mirrors" had me on the floor.
The mirrors fold when you push the lock button on the key fob.
Awesome video, love see chevrolet videos. My ‘14 Silverado 4X4, 5.3l & 6-speed Auto, still impresses me after 3 yrs of ownership and 160,000 miles later and still getting over 20 mpg on the highway. Love Chevrolet for Life. Thanks TFL.
Properly maintained, a chevy V8 will go a loooong time.
Longer than anybody else.
Great video, especially since I just bought a new 2020 4x4 Silverado LT with the 5.3 L and the 8-speed (3.42 gears). I got 22.2 on a 24 mile hwy run at 68 MPH on cruise control.
Awesome Stuff Guys! Hoping to see a Silverado Trail Boss 5.3L V8 10-Speed VS F-150 FX4 5.0L Coyote V8 10-Speed in the Future.
SoundFX09 Silverado will loose!
C Pr then the high output 3.5 eco would be a better match stock for stock
Waayyy too many issues with the 5.0 coyote and their infamous excessive oil consumption. But it is quite a bit quicker just not as reliable.
Barry Hussein Soetoro I have one, 30k miles now and zero issues. No oil consumption. I change my oil every 6000miles.
I have a 2007 F150 with over 200k miles and it still doesn't burn oil. The Coyote 5.0 L is a lot better engine than the 5.4. The 5.3 GM engine is having major issues with their silly 4 cylinder mode.
I’d like to see a highway mpg loop see what they are getting when just cruising
I have a 2020 LT crew cab trail boss 5.3 and I’m lucky if I get 15-16 it’s got about 1500 miles on it now and that’s not lead footing it at all it’s a hog
@@bigbeef8935 its called cruise control. Try using it.
My 2021 crew cab 5.3 gets 24 on the interstate at 75mph
@@davidporter7051
Unless you’re driving on a straight and flat stretch of road, cruise control will actually (normally) hurt your mpg’s, because the vehicle typically gears down 2-4 gears if you go up a hill and fall 2mph below what you have the cruise set at.
I know there's a lawsuit on the 8 speed but there is a lot of people that like the 8 speed. Also I've heard that people say when they deactivate the amf/dfm the transmissions shift better. Makes me wonder if the maybe there isn't so much of a problem with the transmission but maybe it's the cylinder deactivation that's causing the issues. 🤔
Has anyone else heard of this?
Trail Boss looks very aggressive. I like it!
In Italy the Trail Boss is imported and costs € 63.000 , about $ 68.000
Now do the TB vs the AT4!
Yeah I have the at4 5.3l and I yet 0to60 in 7.5 I live in Florida. Would like to see if any differences between these 2 even if only minor.
Very minor. About .01 seconds difference because the at4 is 100-200 lbs lighter.
Pretty crazy that you CANT get a 10 speed in the LTZ. They must want him to get the 6.2 or the diesel
This was shown when the camaro went from the 8 speed to the 10 speed too. The times were exactly the same. But I would never get the gm 8 speed. So many problems. The 10r80 is still superior.
Should’ve thrown in a 5.3 6-speed just for shits and giggles.
Or the 4 speed auto lol
@@pherdog82 why not a powerglide swap as well at this point
@@chrishansen7004 right lol
Thanks for the video, I knew you guys would put the pedal to the metal. This video confirms my decision to pick the trail boss over the LTZ. Really enjoyed the video.
Pretty surprised by the results as the LTZ has to be heavier and with the 8spd. But I guess the extra height and off road tires really do make a difference.
If you watched the video the factory door jamb info shows the curb wt for the LTZ at 5305, and the Trail Boss at 5315
I don't go off road so the "Silver"- ado is for me.
This is a very good comparison. I just recently traded my 2019 Ram Rebel after 2 years for the GMC Sierra AT4. While I still feel my Ram Rebel was hands down far superior in interior fit/finish/materials, electronic functions (driver display center, and UConnect system), and just about every feature of the interior, ride quality was also superior. But I was still very unhappy with Fiat/Chrysler for misleading fuel economy figures of the Ram Rebel. I drive from Florida to the midwest multiple times per year and the Rebel's fuel economy was absolutely dismal. The AT4 I purchased is loaded. The fuel economy was spot on what I expected and averages 3-5 mpg higher than the Rebel. As for your test results, I believe the tires are more to blame. My AT4 came with the 20" tires, but I did not want to pay the $899 for them so I had to wait till the dealer got the 18" Duratracs in. I drove 2 tanks of gas with the 20's before installation of the the 18" Duratracs were complete. Mileage dropped 1.5 mpg. So overcoming the beefy tread of the Duratracs takes away from both performance and economy.
Who cares about fuel mileage when you buy a truck
JustJay 0312 yea, I understand not being happy with fuel economy but getting rid of a truck that you admit was superior because of a couple mpg is odd. Whatever it’s his money and his truck lol.
@@irishuwould5185Well you expect to use a lot more gas when driving a truck, but you don't need to waste money, and unless you have a bottomless less wallet, it is a consideration. I think they Ram is just soo much more heavy, would be the main reason for worst millage.
Wow! I seen the video was over 14 minutes long and though to myself, they filmed the entire 1/4 mile race...
Those Silverados scream "In your face!"
Silverado wins !!!
10 speed might still be quicker than the 8 speed. you might see the 0.4sec difference just in tires and the lift
ofmyownaccord anymore info about that would be appreciated ?I recently bought a 5.3 with the 8spd transmission?
ofmyownaccord well I guess I got my fingers crossed that they solved the problem. Just bought a 19 ltz 5.3 8speed about a month ago rushing to seize the zero percent apr financing. Didn’t realize the zero percent was going to be available for so many months or else I wouldn’t have rushed into it.Wish I would have went with the 6.2 or done more research first. Wish me luck 🤞
The 10 speed is meant more for long hill climbs. The 10 speed can easier keep the engine in the sweet spot, compared to the 8 speed. That's where you'd see the difference.
@@michaelspizzirri4079 contrair mufrair! The 8 speed pro ides excellent work of pulling grades.
Trailboss 32.1" tires with the 18" wheels. (275/65 R18)
LTZ 33" tires with 20" wheels. (275/60 R20)
That means the trailboss has a gearing advantage with the smaller diameter tires. That combined with the 10-speed.
If both trucks had 35" tires or larger then the advantage of the 10-speed would be more noticeable. 10 gears gives you more headroom to throw on larger tires without having to change the rear end ratio to compensate. I think that's why they slapped the 10-speed on the Trailboss.
Excellent point. I was hoping someone would mention this. Tire size - rotation - transmission gearing - rear end gearing all amounts to speed and quickness.
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I am partial to victory red, same as my 06 Silverado reg cab short bed with (factory) v8 and manual transmission, and 3.23 gears... and I still get 17mpg city without any of the cylinder deactivation or other fancy technology bits, thanks to the 4200 lb curb weight and manual transmission.
Very surprising results honestly especially considering the LTZ has taller gearing with the 8 speed and even has taller tires to boot. Assuming the LTZ has 275/60/20, that's a 32.9" tire and the trailboss has 275/65/18, thats a 32.1" tire.
8L90 1st gear ratio is 4.56
10L90 1st gear ratio is 4.70
I'm assuming both trucks are 3.23 rear end
Maybe the silver truck is just a factory freak lol
The 8 speed has longer gearing and does not need to shift as often. Back in the day when manuals were quicker than autos, a 5 speed was generally faster though the quarter than a 6 speed if everything else was equal. You would normally finish the quarter in 3rd in the 5 speed vs 4th in the 6 speed. Shifting interrupts momentum.
@@darylcopp9013 not sure what transmissions you are comparing, but "back in the day" the Borg Warner T5 was a VERY common 5 spd, and the T56 was pretty much the only 6 spd you saw. They were both at a 1:1 ratio in 4th gear. 1-4 were geared very similar in most cases. Then both had 5th gear as an over drive, with the t56 getting an additional taller ratio as its sixth gear. In a situation like this, the ONLY way that a 6 spd car was crossing the line in 4th, while the 5 spd was in third, is if the owner of the 6 spd had dropped some really deep rear end gears in it.
@@ShyaMiss I know in a 3000GT with the 6 speed would end up in 4th which was 0.918 because 3rd was 1.241. The 5 speed, 3rd was 1.103 and could just get over the line.
@@ShyaMiss per the 3000GT wiki comparing the 1993 to the 1994, "The VR-4 model now included a six-speed Getrag manual transmission with revised gear ratios, especially in lower gears like 3rd which went until approximately 107 mph (172 km/h) (vs the first generation 3000GT VR-4's third gear which went until 120 mph (193 km/h)."
@@ShyaMiss Back in the day I had 4.11 gears....
I think 6-8 speeds is enough, on my F-150 I think 10 speeds is too much. The 6 speed in my Lincoln is perfect for acceleration off the line and for low revs on the highway.
Lol 5.0 10 speeds are something else lol
Another life lesson where I think the bigger number is the best option and find out it's not what I thought it was... still learning this over and over again.
One thing he didn't mention about the Z71 package I found while shopping for a Chevy truck- Without Z71 you only get a one speed transfer case- that's right no 4Lo, only a terrain control which is an electronic crutch that uses traction control like braking to "pop" you out of a rut by essentially torque braking! So far Silverado is the only full size 4WD to not give you a 4 Lo- I guess they want to make a few hundred more dollars per unit hoping no one notices!!!
Takes time to shift. More gears MORE TIME!! Why do you think two speed powerglides are really good drag race transmissions!!
Larry W you’d think it would skip gears when empty like a manual
Larry W But its not all about drag racing. 10 speed really helpes with fuel efficiency.
It’s the way their tuned I believe. In Fords the 10 speed shifts a lot quicker than the older transmissions and when they shift they are firm and don’t lag.
More speeds equals more time in the max power band. 2 gears would dig you back down too far in rpm. The 10 speed in the f150s made a huge speed improvement it seems
@@MrInzombia Not anywhere near what you think, maybe .25 mpg. But if you take that times the hundreds of thousands of trucks they sell in a year then that's a win to the EPA.
I'd buy a dark blue RST z71 Silverado right now if there were any in stock in my area. This video just decided me over the trailboss. gas mileage and 0-60 speed. been waiting on this comparison for a while.
Northsky metallic blue is sweet!
Should of done custom trail boss 6 speed vs the LT trail boss with the 10 speed
Jonathan Floyd *should have. Learn English.
@@rocker6883 should've *?
rocker6883 - give him a break, he’s probably a Custom owner. LT owners use proper grammar.
@@KSTrekker lol!
The grammar nazis are here folks! 🤪
be interesting to see one of these trucks go around the track, curious if it's as bad as we think it'll be
Can we get the trail boss vs Ford F250 7.3 V8 drag race
That wouldn't be a fair race, as the Ford would beat that Bowtie ***, and the GM faithful will scream unfair race and all of that. Personally, I'd love to see it happen!
I'm going to be one that complains that not everything is matched. Tires can make a difference and your MPG shows this at the end.
As for which I would take it would depend on what I am buying it for. If I plan on using mainly on the highway it would be the Zed if using offroad it would be the Trail Boss.
I swear, Chevy trucks always look great in that silver color. Its the best color you can choose for your truck. The LTZ was quicker because it has to go through less gears compared to the 10 gears box on the trail boss
Dave's Garage They look nice in the black grill with blue jean color.
I have a high country with 10 speed love it
Wow the powerfold mirrors are amazing! My 07 f150 has that with autodimming
What is the weight of the 18” rims & tires vs. the 20”? That unsprung rotational mass might be your difference.
John Robinson the 18” duratrac weighs about 6 lbs more than the 20” trailrunner.
Randy Parker that’s a pretty big difference
Tire size is different too which changes the rear end gearing
No the primary cause for the difference is almost solely the 3.23 rear gears (and driver).
Both had 3.23:1 rear end according to Andre at @2:35
I asked Chevy why you could not get a Trail Boss in LTZ trim at on the inside. Needless to say I haven ' theard back from them! Great job guys on these tests . These two models are the finalists for my next truck!
I feel like the 6 speed is the fastest in a drag race!
It probably is because it has less gears to shift thats why the 8 speed did better then the 10 speed because it has less gears to shift.
No when I lifted my 2008 Gmc 1500 2” and took the wind deflector off it Definitely got slower
That GM/Ford developed 10 speed shifts way to soon, which may be good for economy but not that fun to me for performance. I much prefer ZF's 8 Speed Auto.
@@La-yt1wr a tuned 10 speed would be very good then, but I absolutely loved the zf8 in my ram when I had it. Best truck transmission hands down
They've tested the 6 speed vs the 8 speed in 2016 and the 8 speed blew the doors off the 6 speed.
Shows the extra gears are mostly to get a bump in fuel economy and emissions ratings and maybe more pleasant towing, not necessarily for speed
Depending on ratios they can have a couple second difference in a towing quarter mile.
Both are adequately fast. Fun video though. I know that someone mentioned more gears takes more time to shift but really these were probably both only in 2nd gear by the end of that race. I wonder if the lift may have had something to do with it. Taller truck may take more time for weight to transfer on hookup? IDK results are certainly not what I would have expected. Maybe the computer in the 10 speed is pulling power in 1st gear to protect it?
I don't like chrome either, but that LTZ is so luxurious. I'd have to go with that. My mother in law has one and I'm always looking for a reason to borrow it.
Chevy baby! Thanks guys. Great vid. ☘️
"Expensive cameras flying" Hoo man, I know that feeling. I've broken a DSLR lens that way.
Drag the 2020 2500 HD with the 6.6L gas engine against the 1500.
I have the GMC version and those duratrac tires are extremely loud on the road and when i switched over to a BF KO's i notice a big fuel economy jump also.
I run duratracs in the winter/off-road and SRAs for warmer/highway driving and the duratracs are whisper quiet in comparisons to the SRAs. I would not call them “extremely loud at all, as I can barely hear them at all when I drive.
Im swapping l83 5.3 in my 80 cutlass supreme its a 6speed planning on racing hope I win alot of races 🏁 going to make a RUclips channel showing my results
Here's the answer for the results:
275/60 R20 on Z71 is 32.1" tall
275/65 R18 on Trail Boss is 33" tall
Even though it's only .9" difference it will make a slight difference in acceleration which we see here.
You should also compare the exact ratios of each gear and which gears are used until the finish.
I want to see a drag race between 2 more chevys same truck same motor but with different transmissions just to see if the 10 speed is that much better
I’m currently driving a Charger Scat Pack with close to 500 HP, and I’m seriously considering a TB. I don’t know why I’m worried about a reduction in HP with a truck. When I drove a 2010 Silverado LT with 310 HP, I thought it flew so I imagine the TB is a huge lighter upgrade
I am a big fan of the Silverados but I have to take issue with those gill plates on the front side of each fender. In the winter time filthy salt spray from winter driving on slushy freeways builds up in those slats. When the temperature drops below 20 it would take you $10.00 in quarters to try and clean the dirty ice out of there at the spray wash. Even in the summer it seems as if they are dirt traps that are difficult to clean.
Silverado with performance package vs regular one
No surprise. The Less shifts the more power you get from engine on every gear on good transmission. There is a reason drag cars have a 2 speed transmission in most cases.
I'd get the Z71 Silverado, both are nice trucks rather have chrome grill instead black mesh grill.
10 speed is efficient yes but when it comes to acceleration of course it while lose because it has to shift alot of times to speed up. I think difference will become apparent in towing heavy loads thats is why semi truck even have more than 10 gears.
Yeah at some point a Vette got to a ridiculously low 0-60 time because it could hit 60 in 1st gear. Would have been nice for TFL to mention what gear the trucks were in when they hit 60.
@Radford Tataryn it was worse because of the tires and lift. More drag = less fuel mileage. Put the 5.3 and 10 speed in the ltz and it would be much better.
It'a probably too late to test, but what would be interesting is to change the tires and wheels from one truck to the other and then run them again. You may find it is all in the tires.
Its the heavier tires on the trail boss for sure. More Rotating mass will surely kill acceleration and efficiency. Good video. Oh and Thank you for saying "pounds-ft" and not "foot-pounds".
Cool video. Wonder how the six speed in the 2018 model do against these two. Would be good to know the suttle differences.
I missed the drag races, good job guys!
The fact that the ten speed is slower is just disappointing. I wonder if it’s a software thing like it won’t allow it to jump multiple gears? I have no clue.
If more gears would make something faster then drag racers wouldnt use 2 or 3 speeds so this kinda proves the theory that less gears might help from a drag but probably not at speed
The biggest thing slowing the Trail Boss down are those heavy ass 10 ply A/T's on it.
Next time do a Custom crew cab short bed with the Custom Value Package (in black) vs a Custom Trail Boss crew cab standard bed with the Dark Essentials package (in red). That’s what we want to see.
I'd bet money the difference is in the torque converter tune. The 10speed is tuned for economy so the torque converter probably isn't going to be as aggressive with stall speeds. Even though the 10 speed's first gear 4.70 is slightly shorter than the 8 speed's 4.56, a higher torque converter stall and more aggressive ramp up would make the 8 speed quicker off the line.
I’ll say it. My 2014 was and still is a fun truck to drive. From stock it topped out at 110 but for some reason my brothers 2020 Silverado tops out at 95. Now I have lots of work put into it and tops out at 160, 140 on the dash but in the display it will show you how much faster your actually going than the needle gauges. Idk if that can be done on the newer 2020s 🤷🏻♂️
how does your driveshaft hold up at a claimed 160mph??
Would have thought the 10 spd had advantage, but tire weight, tire height impacts gear ratio some. As for looks, I still like to see some chrome, the silver truck looks classy, but some like blacked out look.
the biggest difference in acceleration between the two are the bigger tires on the Trail Boss! Bigger heavier tires will always be slower to get going!
It's them small ass gears (3.23s) put 3.42s or 3.73s and now go haul ass.
I removed the air dam on my silver LTZ, and my God! What a difference. No change in MPG at all. And I'm supprised you found an LTZ without the Bose speakers. You got ripped off on that.
I have driven both and I would take the LTZ, but don't care for all the chrome. Also for been so different they were not that far apart in performance.
I bought the LTZ 2019 with the 8 speed. I was a little irritated when they started putting the 10 speed in the Trail Boss. Now I know that Chevy had to go with a 10 speed for marketing prowess. I love my LTZ And I can put the Trail Boss factory lift on it if I want for just $1400. And I have all the LTZ stuff. Also LTZ has power passenger seat. I use the folding mirrors daily.
I recently bought a 19 Ltz 5.3 with the 8speed. But I keep seeing people saying horrible things about the the 8speed transmission. Hope it’s not true. Because I am now regretting not going with the 6.2 engine. Any input would be appreciated?
@@michaelshirazi7382 the 6.2L is a powerhouse, but remember you must use premium to get the max performance. If you aren't towing often and not drag racing, the 5.3 is more than enough. I do worry about DFM down the line on both engines. Always scary when introducing new tech like this, such as what happened with early AFM 5.3s back in the day.
5.3 and 8 speed are proven technologies. The 10 speed is for competing with other brands and will have changes made to it when failures happen. The 6.2 is nice, but heavier, thirsty, and needs premium fuel. 6.2 belongs in the corvette. Buy a cold air intake, and install the trail boss lift from factory, keep the LTZ tires they are taller and will have higher ground clearance at pumpkin anyway. I thought the duratracks would be quicker because they are not as tall. (smaller diameter = geared down, so should be faster, but are heavier) My LTZ tires are about a half inch taller.
@@michaelshirazi7382 I bought a 18 ltz with 8 speed. Then I started reading about all the problems. I haven't had an issue. Although I have only 20000 miles on it. Sure makes me worry tho.
@@J26-e6g The 10 speed isn't for completing with other brands, it's for competing with the EPA.
At 9:01 seconds Andres upper lip action he felt bad ass lol
But wait...stay with me Jimbo, stay with me, theres more!
I haven't met too many people who are happy with that 8 speed. I'm sure there are some, but I haven't seen it.
I wouldn't worry about difference between 8-10 speeds. It will never be as big as going from 4 speed to 6 and even 6 to 8. This race would be interesting with a trailer.
Andre almost dozed off while doing 0-60 mph in that “Slow” Boss.
Can you guys also do this with the new 6.6 gas & duramax? Would be sweet
Guessing, TB has taller tires, therefore, a slight disadvantage in final drive ratio.
The 10 spd has deeper ratios in the lower gears though. First gear actually has a decent gearing advantage compared to the 8 spd. I dont think it's the final drive ratio making the difference. But, the extra rotational mass of the trailboss tire/wheel package, the higher rolling resistance of the tires, all the little things that cut efficiency. That stuff is adding up to give an overall edge to the 8 spd equipped LTZ. It's also worth remembering that even two identical trucks will usually show one as having a slight edge over the other.
I wish you'd comment on the refinement around town between the two transmissions. The 8 speed has a lot of people who dislike it's shift logic and clunkiness.
You'll find the same amount of people complaining about the 10speed.
I've driven both and own the 8 speed. You get 1 or 2 harsh shifts when it's cold. The 10 speed does the same. I owned a 6 speed Ford before my Trail Boss, it also did similar harsh cold shifts.
The 10spd clunks on both GM and Ford trucks, while the latest 8spds are pretty smooth.
I like LTZ its has so chroms on the front, and if its come with 6.2 L it's will be really incredible!!!
I put an intake, exhaust, and king 2.5’s on mine and it is a different truck let me tell you. I have the 8 spd and it’s really quick for a big truck.
Pech Michael & Christina Ford 10 speed would spank that 8speed. Trust me.
@@MrInzombia chevy 6.2 0-60 with 10 speed is 5.5 seconds and confirmed top speed of 140mph.
Trail boss. All day. It’s red, there’s no chrome, and it’s very comparable to the Silverado.
It was a great test. Definitely chevy guys out there deciding which $55k truck they will buy.
Just downloaded 5 Stars 93 performance tune in my King Ranch. Couldn't imagine driving anything as slow as those two puppies. "Can't touch this"
Did they even give us curb weights? That would explain a lot.
Does that include the drivers weight ?
Haha "expensive cameras flying" lol good video guys
Any desires to go off black top would easily be handled by the LTZ without the Z71 package so that’s the way I’d go every time plus I prefer the chrome on these trucks
Both awesome trucks... great video
Same 3.23 gears but taller/heavier tires on Trail Boss makes it accelerate slower, even with 10-speed. Needs a 3.42 or even better, a 3.73. And, might as well throw in the 6.2L too. 😆.
Honestly just because the silver Chevy only has an 8 speed doesn't mean the gearing's not different in the differential in the back. The other thing is those two extra gears really probably won't make a difference at all until you're talkin much higher speed than you're ever going to hit on that short racetrack.
The fact that they specifically said that the rear end ratio is the same, should tell you that it's the same...
The 5.3 will never die!
JH5076 unless it eats the lifters and cam lobes. Or it starts eating oil in the cold cylinders. Or the oil pickup oring let’s the oilpump suck air and wreck the cam bearings. But other than that it’s a good engine.
@@clintmullins4406 cylinder deactivation is bullshit.
The boss is more likely to be a little heaven especially the tires
A 10 speed with a torque ladden V8 isn't going to make it faster, it just makes it more efficient and tows better. A 6 speed auto with an 8 cyl is the fastest combo if you're only talking straight line speed.
Owning a 2019 Trail Boss 8speed and then driving a 2020 Sierra 10. They feel practically the same in acceleration.
Terrence Jones no shit, didn’t u see the video
I'd like to see you swap wheels and tires between the trucks and see what they do. I'll bet that is the difference more so than the transmissions. Off road tires kill 0-60 and mpg.
I have the 8 speed RST and it’s pretty fast 💨 and could tow 9800
Let's see a 2018 Sierra Denali 6.2 vs 2019 or 2020 Sierra Denali performance and MPG review!!
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Would like to see this done with the new Range DFM disabler (full V8 all the time). My '19 Z71 drives so much better now. I took the hidious air dam off in about 15 minutes.
Andre. Fun video. Just a nit, the differential ratio is the same front and rear. If you can’t open and close your tailgate you should be driving a Honda