The Problem with Presuppositionalism: Mystery vs. Coherence

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  • Опубликовано: 12 янв 2025

Комментарии • 18

  • @WDRhine
    @WDRhine Месяц назад +3

    All apologetics is about winning an argument. It purports to be an argument with an unbeliever or with unbelief itself but it is really an argument that exists within the apologist. As you noted, Christianity - and I would extend this to all religions - is doctrinally inconsistent in terms of the range of beliefs it requires one to hold. It is also inconsistent with the methodological assumptions we use routinely to adequately navigate through the world. Both of these inconsistencies, internal and external, result in dystonic states commonly called 'cognitive dissonance'. The believer who wants to remain a believer is confronted by the need to dissipate this dystonia and this is the birth and sole value of apologetics.

    • @alexmiller8347
      @alexmiller8347 Месяц назад

      What beliefs of Christianity do you feel are inconsistent with each other?

    • @TrevonFoxxx
      @TrevonFoxxx Месяц назад

      @@alexmiller8347Old Testament numbers literally says god is not a man and his ways are higher than any human can imagine only for Christian’s to worship a man who says he’s the son of god but also god incarnate…..
      It’s actually hilarious….

    • @WDRhine
      @WDRhine Месяц назад +1

      @@alexmiller8347 The Trinity is incoherent. The "tri-omni" formulation is full of self-contradictions. The concept of free will is inconsistent with various divine attributes. The concept of original sin is at odds with a moral scheme that purports to reflect justice. Intercessionary prayer is inconsistent with divine omniscience. I could go on. In addition, many of these same concepts are at odds with the texts that supposedly are the basis for them. In additional addition, all of these appeals to supernatural causation conflict with the methodological assumptions believers utiiize in every other aspect of their lives.

  • @jonherrera
    @jonherrera Месяц назад +2

    i would argue there is a time and place for all methods.

  • @christophermartin7044
    @christophermartin7044 Месяц назад +7

    Why not just use the observable, testable effects of magic in the real world? Then you could make an non self-referential argument.

  • @Qzopr1
    @Qzopr1 Месяц назад +1

    Why do we need to presuppose a god? Why would we presupposse this god is the god of the bible? We can presupposse anything we want

  • @nunyabizness6546
    @nunyabizness6546 Месяц назад +4

    The atheist worldview has no basis for its morality? Did you really say that? It leads me to wonder if you've ever actually spoken with an atheist. Or perhaps you just don't understand the adaptations of social animals and how societies work. Maybe you haven't noticed that most of the people who have ever lived on earth managed to coexist within their own societies having never heard of your magical sky wizard.
    How can you be so intellectually incurious as to not wonder At the Empires and civilizations that grew and flourished before Yahweh handed down his weird set of moral virtues. Atheists having moral values is a contradiction? How intellectually dishonest

    • @TrevonFoxxx
      @TrevonFoxxx Месяц назад +2

      Right and someone’s non belief has absolutely no bearing on their “world view” or if they have any, just like me knowing they don’t believe in Zues doesn’t clue me in on a single aspect of their morality,
      I think these guys don’t hear themselves, also what historical evidence is he talking about????

    • @nunyabizness6546
      @nunyabizness6546 Месяц назад

      @@TrevonFoxxx Well he seems to be arguing that ignorance is the preferred state of status of Christians. "Embrace the mystery" and don't think too much. That way I can say anything I want and you'll just shrug and accept it.

  • @kimbirch1202
    @kimbirch1202 Месяц назад

    The huge problem is that the Christian worldview is totally inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
    In fact they are poles apart .
    Jesus teaches that we suffer from many illusions about reality, which prevent us from knowing what reality is.
    Christianity has tried, and failed to connect his teachings with the Old Testament worldview, and has made the huge error of trying to bring the truth that Jesus teaches into our existing illusion of reality ..

    • @jonherrera
      @jonherrera Месяц назад

      lol, what?

    • @kimbirch1202
      @kimbirch1202 Месяц назад

      @jonherrera what what ???
      Can't you read 🤣🤣

    • @jonherrera
      @jonherrera Месяц назад

      @@kimbirch1202 do you have any evidence or resources to back up the outrageous claims you make?