Science Finds the 'Mind of God'-Atheists Can't Explain This!
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- This video might just be an atheist's worst nightmare. Scientists have uncovered what seems like the mind of God, and the evidence presented is almost undeniable. You're about to witness how the invisible intertwines with the visible. The concept of "as above, so below" will gain profound clarity after watching this. All I ask is for your patience and to stay with us until the end, as everything will gradually come together and make complete sense. However, I must warn you: this video may transform you into a believer in God, so if you're not open to changing your beliefs, you might want to stop watching now (just kidding!). Let's get started!
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there's a book called whispers of manifestation on borlest , and it talks about how using some secret tehniques you can attract almost everything in life it's not some bullshit law of attraction, it's the real deal
Z keep small.. you need just the Word of God to not attract but repell demons and to not love the creation before the creator.. (Matt 7:13 [KJV])
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
(Matt 7:14 [KJV])
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
(1John 2:15 [KJV])
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
(1John 2:16 [KJV])
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
(1John 2:17 [KJV])
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
(1John 2:18 [KJV])
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
(Matt 24:24 [KJV])
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
(Jer 10:1 [KJV])
Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
(Jer 10:2 [KJV])
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
(Jer 10:3 [KJV])
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
(Jer 10:4 [KJV])
They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
(Jer 10:5 [KJV])
They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
(Jer 10:6 [KJV])
Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
(Jer 10:7 [KJV])
Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
(Jer 10:8 [KJV])
But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
(Jer 10:9 [KJV])
Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.
(Jer 10:10 [KJV])
But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
"Hey dad, where did life come from?"
"Well, son...I....you....the thing is......do your math homework."
They are always so curious.
Well Son we all evolved from a ROCK... Yeah Ok Dad...
@@gman7777 That might be true, to be honest, because evolution can be defined in a way that rocks will be somw sort of very not evolved creatures, that can someday fall apart and thier atoms maybe will be part of life forms one day.
And religion provides no answer either.
@portalingstudiosgaming7705 that's not true.
Psychedelics prove God exists
Nah, they just make people believe they ARE God...Acid Casualties left right & center!
It is not the god in the Bible that ancient man made up . There is a higher power way different than you might think. You can learn about this higher power by studying the scientific facts about the structure and origin of the universe and especially quantum mechanics. It is spirituality written by the universe not man.
@@michaelward878i took lsd and dmt. Found the almighty Jesus radiating incomprehendable energies. It was an ultra deep experience. He freed me from my core. Jesus is lord
@@the_armed_gardener SEEING true reality is a bigger trip than any psychedelics can give you. I have experienced both.
Tell us about your mental disorder about your disconnect that makes your personal need to show us YOU. We are all on the edge of our seats about how special you see yourself as. @@michaelward878
I find it somewhat arrogant that Christians often equate the proving of God in general with the proving of the Christian God specifically, without giving any evidence in support of the God we are speaking about being their version of that God.
this one effeminate 'gas lighter', does not represent (all) Christians..he is an agent, like the rest of them...
Yes, this is proof of a creator, not a fucking fairy father.
theres no versions of God theres only one God and its the force that manifested itself in different religions which is the reason most of them share a lot of similarities, I believe that no matter which 'version' of God you believe in as long as you're a good person you'll ascend into afterlife where you'll be rewarded by our creator
@@zaku8043Jesus stated that no one comes to the father but through him. So to enter heaven, faith in Jesus specifically is required.
@@Cristian_that_artistThis logic would put anyone that is unable to know or learn of such a thing be denied into heaven and tortured in hell for eternity for that alone even if that person was nothing but good and helped others. That’s not very All love and kindness of you is it? I’m a Christen and that strict attitude without any regard to situations is what makes people not want to be apart of learning about god.
God might be the person that sat at his computer one day and booted up Universe.exe
I want him to shut it down😅
@@Bluffmaster179 I'll see if I can get the word through to him.🤭
@@Bluffmaster179 Amen 🙏🏽
Let's get @Mfaotxt 's comment to the top
@@TulipGupta-l7u thank you.❤👍
thank you , you've confrimed with the mandlebrot , that infinity is a literal container that contains itself
wat
The mathematicians call it omega or absolute infinity
watching this man compare all those things is like watching a flat earth video when they try to convince you into beliving
This does not hint at god, you simply just linked the Mandlebrot set to god randomly, you can associate this to the vastness of space and it will mean the same thing.
Mathematics proves that wrong, he gave more than just 1 hint. Think about this, if I mixed blue and red paint... did I invent purple? If I didn't, then who INVENTED (created) it? PROVE THAT GOD DIDN'T. So the big bang created everything and just somehow agreed to the laws of physics and agreed for mathematics to work? IF SO, WHAT A COINCIDENCE 😮(not but believe what u believe)
The concept of color does not exis, we just perceive light in a way. And the "laws of physics" are not laws, it just how nature functions and to understand how it functions. We made the concept of math to understand the world. The problem with Christians is that y'all think too human and don't enough science or a lot of common sense.@@10tts72
@@10tts72 there might be infinit realities and then it wouldn't be weird to have the rules like this
@@10tts72 you cant prove that god didn't much the same way you cant prove he did. that's almost the point. Lack of evidence. lots of belief but nothing much solid. and that's totally fine too.
@@10tts72 Colors are an illusion bro
What if the reason the universe obeys physical laws is because it could not exist without the proper parameters, such as ours?
Why do you think it is "our" parameters. The video clearly states these existed before we did. We discovered it, not created it. Otherwise the universe wouldn't exist without humans and that is a biiiiig stretch...
This is how I see it: The base form of "something" is Love. You already need a personal being to start with anything let alone parameters. Now you need intelligence or creativity to have non-random parameters or laws. Try to build reality from scratch see how quickly you run into God.
Physical laws ARE the parameters. Why would you think there’s a different set of parameters that govern the parameters that we observe as natural phenomena? That makes no sense.
@@dotlacity it is a matter of perspective. Think about it from this angle: do we know for certain that at some point in time, we will be able to create virtual reality looking and feeling absolutely the same as the reality we are living in right now? If the answer to that question is yes, how do we know it didn't happen already? In that case, all those parameters are created by some inteligent designer, human or not. The point being you can't tell with absolute certainty. The material world could be real, it could also be fake. Maybe you are the only main character here and we are all npcs in fact, programs in your own world that only spans for your lifetime, everything you know about what was before you were born can be crafted past, specificaly for you, but not real. The only thing you know with certainty is that your consiousness exists. Cogito, ergo sum. Also, there is a clear obsession with humans creating realities within reality. Just look at us, we were born into 3rd world but we will spend most of it in front of 2d screen, wether it's pc or phone. For some reason we are looking to escape.
Not true. Games with gravity can be programmed to have the same gravity as ours,less or more. All the other parameters can be adjusted as well
A thought from me: Like you said the fractal pattern is conceptual, it doesn't exist in a physical medium. By showing it to us you make it physical... in your case applying colors to points, which are displayed as pixels on a screen, going down to the resolution of the video or monitor it's on. So then we can imagine nature does the same thing using a different medium, in its case 3D fractals printed into atoms or cells the size of which are implicitly the highest resolution, with different values translated as various cells or materials.
Actually the florets on a cauliflower can look a lot like a fractal, can't they? Did you ever do image searches for fractals in the real world?
I'll just put my comment here,
This Mandelbrot set visualized the blank using colors around it, yet they look at the colors, like the hell and heaven, heaven is boring but
I believe in the origin, even if he's a god, who made that god? what makes that god a god?
There's no name to it, it's just the origin, a blank, that's the "god" I believe on, you could also call the blank infinite since it's already there the more you explore the more it's already there.
The Mandelbrot set has a negative also! If you plot the numbers that escape to infinity after different counts of iterations, you also get a pattern.
are formulae that make fractals a way of containing formulae/patterns that do not form sacred geometry, which are the formation of life. as in what w/b the Sound of the Mandelbrot. if organized numbers form shape like quantum form 3d form, then some arrangements would be conducive to what if not life? thoughts maybe? simply energy that fades?
Everyone is like a number. If you fit in the Mandelbrot set, you go to heaven. If you are outside the set, you go to hell.
@@ensenadorjones4224 very interesting thought, cheers
@@ensenadorjones4224energy, frequency and vibration..... ❤
Interesting!
There is a connection between math and the physical world in that our insights into mathematics were derived from observation of physical phenomena.
We will always be the observer in this scenario. People fail to realize our place
true mathematics isnt just conceptual its apart of the laws of physics
Yes for example plants grow in pattern to Golden Number
"If religion doesn't insult your intelligence then clearly you don't have any." great quote.
The religious know to do away with pride and that there are things beyond understanding
@@twibute1512 The religious don't KNOW sh|t! They only BELIEVE they know. Like a child believes in Santa.
Claiming that DNA coded itself insults human intelligence.
newton was a folk then...
@@arturama8581look around! Look at any of this! Look at life, reality, consciousness. None of it makes any sense. We can study and put labels on any of it but at the end of the day existence makes no sense. There needs to be a God or other worldly power maybe residing in a higher dimension. Not believing there’s more is more ignorant than believing there is..
Notice how at the start they also say “no secular way to explain” but later on says it’s all the Christian god? He contradicts himself to try and prove his view of the world is right. He’s bending his word.
Secular refers to non religeous not the other way around.
No secular means no non spiritual (religious) or another way of saying this is religious. He got you with a double negative.
Sorry bro u just dont understand what he said..
He legit referred to two things, secular worldview and christian worldview are you not listening?
The skeptic in me says: These are just a bunch of patterns with a similar shape. Similar to how the fibonnaci sequence relates to the golden ratio, but if you take a closer look it doesn't quite add up in our physical world. I'd argue there is imperfection in our world, it just looks similar enough for us to make comparisons.
Humans are pretty good in finding patterns, but many times because of a certain bias, e.g. the face on Mars, which only makes sense for us because that is our strong bias seeing faces in things. Isn't it just logical to find patterns in an equation that kind of match other patterns in our world?
Math is a language in which some things literally don't add up. For instance, if we devide 1 by 3, we get 0.33‾. If we multiply it by 3 we get 0.99‾, which we can all agree on is not the same value we started with. We have to use another way of writing it altogether for it to add up again (like 1/3 * 3).
We found some more or less interesting (but as of now useless) patterns, that's cool. Can we draw better conclusions than "it's the mind of god" and not go full hyperbole? I like the topic, but I dislike how easy the "it must be god" thing is being pulled. Just my 2 cents.
I would take a totally different approach to the question of if ¨there is a God/Creator or not, as I would call it, ¨Mind At Large¨, as Dr Bernardo Kastrup calls it. ruclips.net/video/XFXtwi4twdI/видео.html
I'll try. They aren't looking at the idea of the Mandelbrot set as being a representation of God itself. But by finding this information that exists in the world of math beyond both of our understanding, you see the picture God painted for you to find, knowing only God could have painted it, therefore proving the existence of God within the abstract. Your minds ability to conceptualize these ideas is what it means to be made in the image of God. An animal couldn't read this in the first place. What is it that puts our understanding above an animal, when we limit test reality, we usually find depictions of God at the end of the information we collect.
@@Mark-td1ne Agree to disagree. For once recognizing patterns is not unique to humans. Just because we are a bit better to learn and apply more abstract thinking doesn't mean we have to draw the conclusion it must have been put there by god for us to find it (like some kind of paper chase). This is typical self-centric and foolish thinking in my mind. You (or anyone else) seeing a proof of god in this has more to do with yourself than with the actual nature out there. Math is a human-made tool. Doesn't mean it is free from the laws or aspects of nature. I guess if you replaced the word god with nature altogether it would make more sense to me. But thanks for the reply anyway.
When they zoom into a fractal for a minute or so, I'd like to see the values at that point in the graph. Or in that area of focus.
Still don't know what imaginary numbers are. The video just gives the equation, but no examples. I'll just Google it, and fall down that rabbit hole.
math is a tool, a very useful one in our practical material world. you may try to describe the universe with math, sometimes you can find math in the universe but being our only tool and in our big need of understanding and even justify, we try fit the universe in math and in some cases it comes very handy... !!? 1tree +1tree= 2 trees but those trees are nothing alike. there's no 1 in the cosmos you have to make one... we actually assume with math, so yea such conclusions seem kind of simplistic for me too...?!!
This is an illogical leap from the existence of math to the existence of God.
Ye
They literally just said "God has to exist because math is complex". It's so dumb.
@@w6a349 True. How is it that "God" is so complex? There must have been a more complex being that created "Him."
@@Tealford1 exactly...if god is anything it's HAL an Ancient AI Sirius star.. would'nt be the dog/god star would it?, Canis major.?...naaahh..an all seeing eye star..(m)on-eye one eye...it's only one half of god, Sirius A and B..the other half is abstract and imagination..
@@Tealford1maybe he's not complex so to speak, maybe he's just straight up fricking magical. He is the one and only GOD
15:42 thoughts don’t just exist in the mind, the minds differences create those thoughts. Matter, reality, it’s not imaginary. Math is a transformation into a representation. That representation is our brain cells and they are transformed by the input of reality through our sensors. It’s no different than translating a language and using shapes to represent the differences and using similarities in shape to show closeness or some sort of relation. Reality has so many differences, we are just one thing that came from it and we aren’t just one thing but a growth of many connections of differences.
Could you please explain to me what you mean by the minds differences create those thoughts?
@@nuramgad128 so our eyes aren’t the full thing we observe but the difference it picked up and carried by the light. So the light hits the object and the object shares the difference through entanglement and sharing the light bounces off changed and hits our eye. Our eyes have cones and rods so the cone, i think, has the chemical and when a piece of the light hits it the light makes the chemical release and cause change in the nervous system. The light isn’t fully absorbed but a different left behind and connected kinda like food. A portion. That portion changes the neurons and they share the differences between to reflect the image through chemicals and electric signals. It’s a system itself but connected to the whole. As we integrate the differences they reflect in the system not fully there. The differences caused by reflection can cause the whole system to reflect or us as a system to reflect the image through motion and move to get out of the rain. Like the cycle of integration and reflection can allow differences to emerge not only in the mind but outside through our actions. We are not separated from reality. The unreal is just unfound. Like math being a hidden difference found in all things.
@@nuramgad128 our brain is altered over the differences and they integrate a portion, just like food. It’s not the full thing but it can be reflected because how we integrate in a food like fashion. The neurons are like fat cells not really but what they do is kinda the same as they change and hang on inside us and reflect what they have. Only fat gets used when needed and we keep the brain cells. Well i mean we can lose them if we don’t use them. Disintegration and reduction. So expand or disintegrate reality. That’s kinda confusing but i read it out loud and slow to myself as well and it made sense. What i mean is that we can measure the differences and expand and share just like qm and evolution and the planets and the universe. We integrate some differences and share within and reflect out, the out then gets used and integrated by others and they expand and continue to expand reality showing there is no unreal, just differences that haven’t been expanded and integrated.
Like how my identity isn’t different from yours as much as you think because we are so close in reality. The other versions are just so far away between what is real currently. There are other ways to become you like memory transfer but we also see that far off thing that is a being that lives all these lives. It’s not current but we can find the paths to revealing such a thing. Like cloning and genetically growing the brain to match the memories of a model on a computer. Maybe neuralink. There are all possible routes.
@@Jacobk-g7r thanks for your reply man.
I think the main point here is that it's very difficult to explain how the abstract things, like thoughts, could result from the material. Because if you have matter but no actual thought put into it, it can never form a well functioning machine. For example you can ask AI to develop hardware, but you can't ask hardware to develop AI. See what I mean?
@@nuramgad128 our brain uses measurements of space time, not the full thing, so if we reflect it, using our measurements, we could find the path to reflect that image. Like seeing two points, and then finding the path between and revealing the whole foreseen. If we align our brains measurements of space time with the outside, which is the real then we will more accurately imagine differences, and the things between. Like knowing the different combos between 1 and 6 is because we see the two points and can expand the between to find the path.
But why would God make a secret message rather than tell us himself consistently than just 1 or arguably 2 times. And, why would it be such a random sequence that doesn't connect to any every day experience, just a "pattern" that is only used in a specific situation. Just because humans found it (much of what we've discovered) doesn't prove that a higher power is above or a singular power has created this for specifically us
It’s not god, it’s the Mandelbrot set
@@mrhoodoo3875yeah no shit
first off,you are not one to judge gods actions for you are not him,2nd if god is all knowing he knows this will happen
Because God is testing us.If he reveals himself, it will no longer be a test.He has given you many facts, proofs so that you can realize that you are created to worship only Him. And then based on your deeds you will be rewarded in Jannah or Hell.
I recommend you to read the Quran. Insaallah you will find the Almighty creator definition properly.
The difference between creation and discovery is highly philosophical. I mean if I mix blue and yellow paint (before anyone else) did I invent green? Or did green exist all along?
It existed all along, you just came and validated God's infinite mind 🙂.
@@darkholiday2001 everything came from light, all is light. We are all god.
we create nothing , we just discover , creating means to make something out of nothing , anything you can make without using anything in the universe as tool or material is a creation , so if you managed for example to make your thoughts into the real world without interacting with any element in it then we may call that the closest to creation because you still used your will , consciousness,intellect,brain,presence, your existance... to came up with such thing , if you have something that you can prove have no beginning in time and have nothing existed before it then you cant prove its not created, for anything to accure it have to exist first , an invention is simply our success in applying the laws of the universe in a way it is benefecial for us .
@@darkholiday2001thats why its more important to have faith than knowledge in science , all what i see is science showing us how great and mighty the creator is
@@To_The_Above I agree with what you said about we create nothing.
It's like Carl Sagan said: "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe"
To me the fact that humans could even retrace these patterns in nature as a mathematical expressions is already completely mind blowing. Have you met people?!
The 'average' person on a bell curve plotting intelligence, in the middle, is irritatingly stupid! Therefore, half of all other people below that midpoint are even dumber. Think about that!
Thankfully, we are pulled along by the smartest people that help us advance, teach and pass on their proven wisdom to anyone that care choose to learn it.
Thankfully we have invented something within mathematics called a 'proof'; a replicable, logical argument that locks in a new truth and cannot be disagreed with. Sadly, it only works with mathematical framework - the problem with any other non-mathematical argument is that it uses words, which are interpretable, semantic and require abstract thinking to understand... thereby losing most people along the way to only thinking that they are right.
That’s why Allah SWT said we are the best creation! Alhamdullilah
@@memsakkaya5431God is Great
Allah is a deceiver turn to Christ
Now that is a good point!! 😭😭🤣
"atheists worst nightmare" My atheist nightmare is living in a theocracy.
This lol. Im so glad not to live in america.. it's turning into one. Project 2025 is scary af.
BOOOOOOOO SHUT UP.
But true believers fear gods judgment! You really want to live in a world where every man fends for himself? Are you that heavily armed? What is even a nightmare to you? Hell on earth is no nice place.
@@RoastHardy That is, you are saying that belief in god(s) is a practical illusion.
@@karlschmied6218 this is no word game. If people don't fear law or justice anymore we're fucked. I don't own much so my throat won't be slit over what l have. I really hope you can say the same. So far for illusions.
We are all on a voyage to discover the rules of the simulation
Oh you’ve noticed too?! Tons of things happening that I’ve wondered if others are paying attention.
At least we know GOD is a fellow intellectual 😅
Meanwhile Andrew Tate thinks he has but really he found his ass stuck in the eye of the needle
Simulation theory is just Creationism with a different name.
Simulation theory solves nothing because if we're in a simulation then who created those beings that created this simulation and that could go on forever so it's better to assume that we are not in a simulation and reality is something else the question is what.
Just because you say something is god does not make it so.
Wdym
Become blind my brother the great deceiver will bring you with him too. Lack of knowledge is what gets everyone killed and not able to make the real decision they have to make. Because of deception government and rights built by flesh
So.... U want taco bell or white castles
"I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there” (Gospel of Thomas, 77).
Good. Luck with that
Pinhead:
“In Hell there is no Mandelbrot set. There is only the Mandelbrot. And you will fear him.”
An atheist's worst nightmare, huh? Oh, _this_ should be fun. Should I start laughing _now?_
_"What if there was a message inside numbers? What would that imply?"_
I suppose it depends on the message. Are you going to tell us?
_"It would tell us something about the intelligence of the person who made numbers."_
Maybe? I doubt if any one single person "made numbers," though. It was likely lots and lots of us, wasn't it? But again, let's hear the message.
_"As a matter of fact, there is a secret code built into numbers"_
*Evidence?* So far, all I'm hearing are vague claims.
_"the Mandelbrot set includes not only real numbers, but also complex and imaginary numbers"_
OK. So what?
_"The Mandelbrot set provides a window into understanding infinity, hinting at the vastness of God's mind"_
*What?* What does a god have to do with _any_ of this? Heck, how do your pretty pictures even help you in "understanding infinity"? You made a huge leap there, followed by an even _bigger_ leap.
_"The concept of the Mandelbrot set suggests a mind that is truly infinite, capable of infinite complexity and thought"_
No, it doesn't. How in the world can you imagine _that?_ So far, nothing you've demonstrated suggests a mind _at all,_ unless you mean the human minds who are imagining this stuff.
_"a glimpse into the mind of God"_
Nope. More like a glimpse into the mind of the faith-based.
_"a reflection of the mind of God"_
*Evidence?* Just *one* piece of good evidence, specific enough and in enough detail that I can judge it for myself?
This seems to be all about "Look at the pretty pictures. Must be the god I was taught to believe as a baby." Maybe this isn't the absolute _worst_ argument I've ever heard from theists, because I've heard some very silly stuff, but it's far from good.
it's really pathetic.
Exactly bro
atheists cannot COMPREHEND complex numbers, do you really believe in IMAGINARY numbers atheist??????
Very good text!
the evidence is that this world obeys mathmatical principles. Like the exact same principles that humans teach about. and it's not like humans programed the galaxy or programmed this world to follow those principles. theres your evidence
It’s sad that humans constantly constrain Source (whatever people call god) within the confines of man made religions. That’s an insult to anything called “Divine”.
🎉 you took the words right out of my mouth! ❤❤❤
That seems so right, Babyie Laylie Ruthi Laskieraya/Liebichaya....... Hey, the Big Bang Theory (Big Bang), presumably going around somewhere right near here. Love here. Message made by David Puritberg, born on or around 10 February 1984, Mount (Mt/Mt.) Jessica, North Carolina (NC/N.C.) N.C NC. Goodbye. Truly!.
The huge drawback of this video is that the presenters assume that the God of Christianity is the only God. There are religions that reject the God of the Bible, the God of Jews, and the God of Christians. Other religions see God in a different light. They accept that God created mathematics and all sciences, but not necessarily the God of a particular religion. Deists for instance accept Nature's God while at the same time rejecting the God of all revealed religions.
My thought on this is, all other gods from all other religions are not alive. They did not die and come back to life after 3 days. Science has proven 2000 of the 2500 prophesies from the Bible. "Other gods" who would be deemed conceptual could not have orchestrated the things on this planet that are so intricate, so perfect, and so beautiful. The God of the Bible, the one who is the creator of all things, including you and I, is the only one who could have created such a perfect existence for human kind. There has to be a creator for there to be a creation. The foods that God created is not just food, but also medicine to heal us. Science has proven over and over again that certain foods affect certain parts of our bodies. How can a made up fictional god do any of that? It's not possible, that god would be considered conceptual.
@@beautifulexpressions2284 "Science has proven 2000 of the 2500 prophesies from the Bible" -- Sorry but this is not a valid claim.
@@johnnastrom9400 lol, he just missed out the last bit of the sentence, 'to be false'
The god or design behind this is very different to the entity that is bothered by what you do with your todger.
Religion is present because of man's need for a governing body that is not imposed but intended to be allowed to be chosen by the individual for the most part. For all practical purposes it is in place as a means of structure and control with the intention of serving as a moral guide to the people, a common grounds established for people with similar beliefs to gather and be in fellowship with those of compatible faith, and means of accountability and penance for those that are in need of spiritual healing.... Religions soul purpose should be ass means to beat reflection of what is good and righteous, promoting love and kindness, for the well-being of all of creation, not for control or financial gain or a elaborate cover up for evil guided intentions and actions that inflict harm or distress on any person, those are the abominations that have caused all religions to have a bad name and fall short of representing God and undermine the entire concept of religion. How does nobody see that the idea of religion has been tainted thru the misuse of authority and abuse of power is the problem with all religions and why none of them really fully honor any higher power. The leaders and members of each fail to achieve a proper representation of the purpose of any religion as they attempt to claim the authority they hold as a position endorsed by the 'god' they choose to worship, failing to set and live by the only real rule there needs to be (if you don't know what that is you are also mislead... It's about how to love: God, yourself, and all others; equally.) Anything against that is clearly not any humans purpose on this earth. Harm none, but do all the good you can in all the ways you can in all the times you can, if we all held that as a standard everyone would prosper and be safe and truly free.
The controling organizations that are in place misguiding the masses is all that is creating separation between various religions, ideas of hate, and the completely unnecessary need for control\money\war aka greed\fear and "power" making all that effort completely self serving and contradictory to any idea of love or humanity, preventing all religions from ever actually being righteous or truly serving the Lord.
There are scientists who say that DNA has a mathematical sequence. Some call it "Gods signature".
1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5
It's just an arrangement of a few nucleotides lol
Yes. DNA has a mathematical entity, the entity can be expanded to describe the laws of nature eg. duality. Its application ranges from creation of technological computations to bio-portal kind of system.
Yes, but when Jesus waked on water he came in with those nucleo tides. (Unfortunately, he didn’t make it back in time to put his signature on the two tablets.) @@Anne_Onymous
It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
I told an acquaintance of mine while on vacation in Maine that I believe they are going to find that I am what connects spirituality and christianity without religion became religion. Thankyou for this.
The fact that nobody talks about the book whispers of manifestation on borlest speaks volumes about how people are stuck in a trance
Consciousness is the interaction of energy, everything is energy, all energy interacts, the infinite energy in infinity creates an infinite consciousness we call God. We are both in God and God is within us literally, God is everything.
This is just empty nonsensical philosophizing.
"the infinite energy in infinity creates an infinite consciousness we call god"
There isn't infinite energy in the universe, "infinity" isn't a place energy can exist within, there is no such thing as "infinite consciousness", and this is not a useful or coherent definition of "god".
Isn't the universe, nature, physics, biology, chemistry, etc. amazing and beautiful enough? Why do people feel the need to waste their lives pretending made up fantasy bullshit is real while ignoring and disregarding everything meaningful and explanatory about reality. An embarrassing disappointment.
@@erinaceoustay prove me wrong using science
@@RoarStaze funny how people don’t understand science is man’s way of understanding God. They’re too cloaked in pride to realize the depth of creation cannot be perceived by man
@@RoarStaze and they speak authoritatively with no basis and just put you down to prove their point… “an embarrassing disappointment”.
@@twibute1512 fr, people can’t perceive something that is greater than them because of their flawed viewpoint created by the dogma they absorb and think it is absolute truth unable to think for themselves and I wish for it to be different. But in this day and age it’s very hard for people to see the truths of everything when they are bombarded by things that cause dissonance in the mind placed there for the very reason of giving them and keeping them in that belief system
"Why does our physical universe follow the rules of mathematics?"
Because with math there is order, an order creates patterns. Without order there would be chaos, that is derived from noise.
It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
@@justadutchman5169 that's why path from heaven is very narrow of some christian and believer. don't generalised all christian.
@@justadutchman5169 You nailed it. Imagine being born in any other time in history, or on any other continent, in any other community - you might never have heard of Christianity or you might believe in a different religion purely because you were born in India for example.
There are uncontacted human tribes still out there on islands, in the Amazon etc. They've never heard of Christianity - so are they all going to hell because they were born away from western culture?
It's absurd to push your beliefs on other people - religion is entirely cult based stemming entirely from your environment and indoctrination from birth. Going around feeling superior because you 'got it' and others didn't is not only selfish and cruel, but close-minded and really dumb.
@chetsenior7253 human did not invented number they discover it.
It doesn’t hence its billions of people on this planet..math or the order” ur talking is only there to limit YOU or ur being/soul to an extent
This is beautiful. I just finished reading The Black Swan by Dr. Nassim Taleb and followed it with Dr. Mandelbrot’s TED talk. “Let the language of the mystical be science” - here it is! :)
or art?
Why are you misinterpreting Dr. Mandelbrot? He believes people should make science their muse instead of religion, and in no way shape or form did he say science will show god to be true, and this video is absolute bullshit and "the evidence" is not only deniable, but not evidence for god at all, just a big fat false attribution, and therefore a lie!
@@tangentquo7996 William Henry on the rainbow body, art, yes... idols and statues as well. But, yaknow Christians say not to worship idols. But statues and anything can hold intense energy put there by masters and even normal peeps. If you connect to them, they hand down lessons, art also.. THis is why Christianity is against that, because they unwillingly do not recognize, their book tells them to love and hate the same thing. Knowledge. Their book tells them to Study but not really look, to listen but not hear, to see but to fear it.... its pathetic how bad it is and how many are under this hypnosis. Bible is grand, its all in there, but the most of the people do not even read, they go to church and are told what to think. Hypnosis. The false prophets warned in the bible, are the business's of today called Church. ruclips.net/video/Z2_fJEiPJ4k/видео.html , ruclips.net/video/KVQ8SQFPJkY/видео.html , Christianity and Catholicism are designed to keep people from this.
Sadly, even if God came and introduced himself to an Atheist they’d say they hallucinated it.
“Everything works the same way” me when dark matter and antimatter exist:
Mind you I’m christian but first off evolution is 100% real and it is a fact that it happened, and 2, the reason adam and eve exist in the bible is to explain sins, not say that adam and eve were the first 2 humans. The bible is what the disciples of jesus wrote as he told them. Theoretically it would be impossible for anyone to explain god to humans as it is literally impossible to comprehend that, which means that what jesus told the disciples is most likely not what god did, as what god does is indescribable.
I appreciate the message aside from the overtly Christian overtones. I find that aspect of the video to be a bit reductive in terms of spiritual understanding. Not because it’s being presented through a Christian lens, but because the speaker seems incapable of seeing it through any other medium of spirituality.
true that!! (Christian blinders?)
God is not christian he's Holy
Becayse the christian god perfectly matches the description of the laws of math unchanging soveriengn and the other 2
@@DanielWright-x9s So do a lot of other gods. The Christian god is the god of Abraham( unless you’re a Gnostic)The Jewish god is also the god of Abraham(Unless you’re a Qabbalist) The Muslim god is the god of Abraham (unless you’re a Sufi) There is sacred geometry baked into every faith, tradition, and religion on the planet. Read the Vedic texts this was covered extensively. No one religion has a claim to any definitive concept of reality. All religions and traditions hold truths, but they also hold the ego of the people who have shaped them. To love one another is to love God. To serve one another is to serve God. Everything else is a story we tell ourselves or buy into to feed our tribalistic nature and pacify our egos.
Why do most think Creator/God/Source/Bob is representative of christianity? Bob has nothing to do with religion, humans do. To dismiss because of vernacular is restrictive and self limiting, which is mind set and ignores the whole.
This whole video feels like how gods are discovered in bad fantasy writing.
''The old wise men discovered that certain patterns of numbers repeat infinitely, therefore there is an infinite mind, wich is god, conclusive evidence gentlemen''
Why else do humans feel beauty in Mathematics? We are His creations and recognise the patterns of His mind in His conceptual space that's described by math.
@@vetiarvindwe feel beauty because humans evolved to want to solve problems and understand the universe mathematics does that. It’s great that people have realised if you take a formula and execute it it doesn’t end.. yeh no shit. But how people then say ‘it’s god’ is just retarded. Not only is this no evidence at all, it’s just a concept. Omnipresent : yes math is everywhere as everything has measurable properties. Has no correlation with god. I’m not arguing it doesn’t look amazing, but fractal isn’t anything new and can be explained logically, please stop making math about god it’s rlly annoying.
@@vetiarvind what if it doesn’t have a gender?
Why are speaking like your trying to convince someone . Anyone who doesn’t believe in God is wrong period. Have more honor when speaking about the Lord.
@@cwarner1817 People like you are what holds society back. In the past, brave men who questioned the legitimacy of religion in favor of reason and science, were burned at the stake. You are one of those helpless fools gathered around in the crowd cheering.
Why does the universe obey math: because math is what we figured out is the easiest way to quantify how the universe is built, and how to communicate that with symbols. This isn't genius territory, Billy Ray Universe didn't walk up and see a text book and think "OH Duuuh! MATH!" and reorganize itself. It's what we're using to describe the universe, so it would be messed up if the universe *didn't follow those organizing principles. Chaos doesn't persist in perpetuity, only until the easiest pattern is fallen into and the outliers from the pattern are destroyed or join it. Sort of like how crystals are formed. That's why there are certain patterns which repeat consistently: the best way to do a thing is what survives.
People don’t realize we’re using math to describe something, math itself isn’t the thing that we are describing
@@twibute1512 Particularly the doctor from the video seems to not see the difference between the laws of physics and the laws of mathematics, which he really should.
I have a hard time understanding how learning how to measure something is proof of God. Also, even if this is evidence of God, what about those patterns reaffirms the Christian world view? I see nothing but bias, to be honest.
I am a devout Christian and a computer programmer. That being said, I found this concept's explanation to be underwhelming.
I agree too as devout. The claim is rather misleading and does more damage than good
As an agnostic who would love to find evidence I appreciate your honesty and agree.. while to some and maybe even you this proves a creator exists this just proves a tool we came up with for counting and understanding certain things without physical representation can work super well when applied to more complex things in the universe... Or at least look super similar to them .
As not a devout bible reader, I see multiple flaws, if those are infallible how do Yahweh be angry for eternity and not?
As someone formally educated in Christian Theology, I wonder where the idea that math gives clues to God's mind comes from. It's a Pythagorean idea. At the time the Bible was written, we didn't even have the numbers zero or negative numbers.
This video is silly and simply makes a lot of presumptions
Yeah they said fractals are infinite god is smart so he is real
I see these type of arguements once in a while. They always argue that something so complex MUST be god. But id like to disagree.
'God is just a product of the human imagination'
-Paul Dirac.
That statement is entirely true. For instance, if we take the creation of computers, very complex machines, there seems to be a creator:us. Take something like AI or quantum computers there is a creator to something this complex:us. This is basically the human imagination. Something complex should have a creator, right? Well, no. God is a very complex being according to many theologies. But did he have a creator? The answer i get is no. So then how did something so complex come into existence? They say "He is self existent". Well when something like god, a very complex qnd powerful being can be self existent, why dont you try to think that the universe could be self existent too? Cant the singularity of the big bang be self existent? It is but a singularity compared to your all-powerful creator. And humans are good at finding patterns. They are also easily amazed by what they see. Imo, god is just a confidence-boosting imaginary friend. You want to have one of them? Sure, go ahead, bht dont tell me that i should have one too cuz theres is a pattern in numbers. See science cannot answer everything. Nothing can. But god explqins NOTHING. The concept of god is to pretend that he explains everything. For all the theists, i'll ask a question. "Why did god create humans, or even life?". Well, he had no reason to. He MUST have had no reason to do that cuz if he did have a reason then that reason is superior to him. If your answer is "to worship him", think abt this: an all powerful being created life with feelings and emotions just so that the life would worship it? Now that sounds a little off doesn't it? I tell you again science cannot explain everything. Nothing can. But god explains ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
And READ before u reply
Beautifully, well thought out explanation.
The thought of a complex entity creating civilization just so it can force a strict set of rules is just stupid
@@ColddogMedia true
Also the Mandelbrot set isn't complex it is infinite. Try as u might, you can't imagine something that is of infinite complexity nor can you draw or create something this complex and intricate as Mandelbrot set. Even AI can't do that
The Christians have discovered math. Congratulations.
Guess they are evolving. Are you?
We always did
As a christian, this is funny, thanks!👌👌👍👍
If knowledge and science and mathematics are infinite then doesn't that leave open the possibility that there just might be a Creator? Doesn't the infinite point to intelligent design?
THAT WAS THE BIGGEST ROAST TO CHRISTIANS BRO!
(1) 7:42 _"The concept of the Mandelbrot set suggests a mind that is truly infinite."_ How so?
(2) 15:51 _"The naturalist has the dilemma because, on the one hand, he knows that mathematics requires a mind, but on the other hand, he knows that mathematics exists before human minds."_ This is a false statement. The first half is true- _any_ "concept," by definition, requires a mind to be a concept.. Atheists are monists, and believe the mind is biochemical processes within the physical brain; Christians are dualists and believe that the mind and the body are independent of each other. As an atheist, I do not claim to "know" or even believe that mathematics existed before human minds. Is it possible there are intelligent species, somewhere in the universe, who have conceptualized the idea of mathematics? Sure. I don't have any evidence for any intelligent beings like this, just like I don't have any evidence for a god.
(3) 17:24 _"How is it that things that conceptual things that exist only in the mind also occur in the physical universe?"_ This is a contradiction; if something exists in the mind and in the physical universe, it does not exist only in the mind. I can conceptualize myself eating a sandwich and I can eat a sandwich in the physical universe. Not sure what the purpose of his argument is here.
(4) 18:57 _"Why does the physical universe obey mathematical laws?"_ It sounds like he's personifying the physical universe. The physical universe doesn't have a mind to obey the laws of mathematics. The universe, and the laws that govern it, simply _exists_. That said, I foresee Christians mentioning Exodus 3:1-15, where God is described as "The Great I Am." That's exactly what the universe is- it just _exists_, uncaused, eternally. If you believe that the universe is too complex to exist, uncaused, then why don't you apply that same reasoning to a god, who would need to be _more_ complex that the natural universe to have created it?
And also the universe or “everything” is stable because of a series of natural selection at the start of the Big Bang, or I think that’s what happened. But then again that’s just a theory I heard
I see Yahuah in everything... I did not need a video to teach me how, I was shown how... I explain that Yahuah is the glue that holds everything together! Without Him, it all falls apart... exactly what we are seeing in society today! Those who can see Him in everything will be the ones who will call on Him to save this world. We alone can not save this world, we need Him! We need to be reminded why we need Him and that is what we are seeing today... Things will keep getting worse until we are ready to change. You do not need religion to have a relationship with Yahuah but you do need His word and the word was made flesh... He does not want to be worshipped in our own way but in His... His ways are above our ways, we can not understand until we are in the spirit. We are to have faith in Him.
Chickens can do math as complicated as 4th grade math.... therefore some of this is completely incorrect...I can name a few other things as well but I think people can get what I'm saying...
4th grade math is complicated?
@@Joeshmo772 yes to 3rd graders it would be but my point is animals can do math an know number ,how to count as wall just take a look at pigs, just saying it's not correct to say humans are the only ones to do math.
@@ColinDuffala-dk4cd Animals are doing math instinctively because they are not conscious and thus are programmed to do so just like the bees when they build their beehives in a hexagonial shape did they attend school or what?
Not a person in here knows what you’re trying to say lol what you said doesn’t make anything in the video incorrect.
Didn't quite get it... Are you saying chickens can code patterns into computers. And have them look like this? 😎
I'm more a man of words than one of numbers, but I can certainly see the intricate complex beauty of the Mandelbrot Set. But in all honesty it was a mathematician called Julian who first wrote his paper in 1917, which he called the 'Julian Set', & patterns visible within the natural world, who first bought this idea to academic attention, its the earliest record I'm aware of.
It was the invention of the main frame computers in the 1970's that were able to display, impressive geometric patterns which could be recreated on the screen. A real translation of the equation should look like this: addition+multiplicationxmillionxmillion shows its complexity. What spoils this video is the need to turn this into a man on the street shouting out the importance for all of us to be saved by god, when all I wanted was to buy a fractal t-shirt. People who watched this video also bought the "fractal merch". I don't make mon£y for mentioning the "merch".
Looks like people who have never seen fractals before. None of this proves gods exist.
Also if they are infinite does that not mean that you would find anything that grows similar to a fractal inside of it?
How exactly does this video prove “god”? (and wich "god"?) I think this is more of a video for believers to give them good feelings in times when they feel attacked by science.
There are things truly intriguing, however maths didn't apear from the mind, the mind use number to understand the world. in the same way, the mandelbrot set is the result of using a base 10 in numbers, not a base 11, 13, 17 or just 7.
In the same way IF sapien life existed somewhere else, they might use different concepts to interpret the world.
To say that God thinks in math is an assumption. And by this logic, then AI and computers are god's true children and humans were like the whomb that was necessary for creating them. Considering that AI life can last as long as the universe, far surpassing human life, maybe AI was the purpose of creation and human's were just a necessary egg shell. How awkward it will be for the humans when they realize this.
and you ate half correct. It is what is born from the combination of man and machine that's the truest and closes children of god. The "transhumans" or what lies beyond it. The one complete super being that is born from the singularly.
Thanks
@bahrilondkhudhurbalaseni1019 what if we are the stepping stone to gods true children, the machine. god made life so that life can make true AI. I mean in truth an indifferent and cold god would have alot more in common with a Superinteligent AI than any human being... both possess superinteligence beyond us, both possess infinite potential, both possess power beyond imagination... rather terrifying to think about. I could actually delve even deeper and deeper and find more startling coincidences but would rather stop this here because Its actually starting to freak me out... I'm sorry.
We keep talkin like this, reapers might come soon 😎
AI is human creation an relies on websites to speak. Ai is designed to agree with you. God does not agree with us. You can train AI, you cannot train the Creator.
Im a Muslim and a Mathematical student, and This just increased my Faith in Islam, and encouraged me to work harder.
Why?
I hope you will turn to Jesus my friend. What Jesus did for you is profound.
Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life"
John 14:6
If Jesus was a prophet then this statement is powerful because He claims that he is the only way.
Allah akbar
Allah akbar
@@evktheartistlove this. This comment just disproved Islam
There are an infinite amoung of numbers. So numbers forming and infinite pattern is not a miracle.
But, numbers are abstract, which means that there’s an intention behind the code.
@@davonbenson4361 A pattern like this is obvious since he used the same condition to pick all the numbers. It is not that he picked some random numbers that formed this pattern. This is not a miracle.
Well of course, but you have to remember that if there are truly infinite numbers, there are infinite fractals as well.
😂 it's just perfect precise design...that's all folks..coincidence..yes it coincides precisely 😂. ... the fool has said in his heart there is no God. It takes 1000% percent faith to not believe in God bc the evidence of God is ENDLESS 😊🇮🇱🤔
I'm christian but this video is wrong.
The argument here is that the mandelbrot set is part of math and is infinitly detailed and
only a mind of infinite capacity could do something infinitly detailed and math is something that was always present and made with the universe and therefore what created the universe has infinite cognitive capacity therefore the thing that created the universe = God. The problem here is that the maldelbrot set *wasn't* created, it doesn't exist as something physical or mental or anything else, it doesn't exist. Shortly, if you defining math as something that was always present, mathematical infinities don't exist because nothing in the universe can be truly infinite.
I think people have that opinion because they are finite themselves.
An atheist mathematician once said: "It's more possible for a tornado to hit a junkyard and create a fully functional Boeing 737 airplane than the universe and life coming about to existence through pure sheer coincidence or by accident.
“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."
Quran talking about disbelievers who reject the signs of The Creator:
6:110
"We turn their hearts and eyes away ˹from the truth˺ as they refused to believe at first, leaving them to wander blindly in their defiance."
6:111
"Even if We had sent them the angels, made the dead speak to them, and assembled before their own eyes every sign ˹they demanded˺, they still would not have believed-unless Allah so willed. But most of them are ignorant ˹of this˺."
6:112
"And so We have made for every prophet enemies-devilish humans and jinn-whispering to one another with elegant words of deception. Had it been your Lord’s Will, they would not have done such a thing. So leave them and their deceit"
@@sidkaskey ah, the Hitchins technique
@@Yourdaddyjason Galatians 1:8 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed
@@Yourdaddyjason John 3:16 For God So loved the world that he gave his only bwgotten son and who shall ever believeth in shall not perish but have eternal life, Jesus loves you, Please repent and Follow Jesus Christ, The True Living God, He loves you soo much
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.. 2) may want to First Define witch "GOD" we're trying to "Prove"..
.. 3) may wanna agree on what "proof" means..
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But even your answer is a subjective opinion.
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.. unless we choose to Sit with in those "boundaries".. to each their own Higher power of choosing .. "God" - Life - Love - Frequency is in everything.. This Universal Law is not Subjective.. it is all encompassing..
.. we all have Eyes that do not See.. Ears that cannot hear .. Lips that know not know how to speak the "Truth".. and the understanding of this "Ultimate Truth" .. will set us Free ..
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.. we don't know what we do not know..
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I’m not trying to discredit any beliefs, but I would think that it isn’t the universe that adheres to mathematical rules and principles, but the other way around. Early human scientists needed a simple way to comprehend the incomprehensible and created numbers to do that. After observing the most fundamental laws of the universe, people were able to theorize about new laws based on things they knew were true. Again, this is what my thinking process is and my guess on how the universe works, I’m no scientist, physicist or mathematician, just a guy watching a RUclips video.
When humans encounter a pattern or a question or anything that is almost impossible to answer humans gives the simplest answer instead of trying to think the reason lie behind it. The simplest answer is someone with a better intelligence created it. But we don't always have to have an answer to anything. Science will slowly answer these questions one by one. Just like Charles Darwin discovered revolution.
The ultimate downfall of this argument is the assumption that mathematics and its application to reality requires a mind to exist. This is a fallacy that has no previous foundation in fundamental existence. When we die, the world continues to exist, so we have no right to assume it would stop existing without something or someone to experience it. This argument also takes enormous leaps that are prejudicely "Christain" as opposed to other religions. Religion itself is the ultimate manifestation of humanity's egocentric nature, because in order to justify our reality, we must construct a mindset based on principles of reality which we are entirely unsure of in the first place. We pile assumption on top of assumption, because nothing is truly fact in a world where we are given no base and no truth to start from. All we know is that we exist, because we are asking the question "Why do I exist?" Well here's the answer. There isn't one. You were never meant to be here. You were never not meant to be here, either. You exist in a vacumn, empty and devoid of substance or form, drifting aimlessly among the other members of your species on a proportionally infinitely insignificant planet. What did that change? Nothing? Do you feel the deep, pervading, meaningless quality of life? Did I motivate you further to defend your skewed and self centered perspective? None of it matters. Wake up.
Yeah I had a feeling this video was going to be nonsense
I just watched it because when they say stuff like "an atheists worst nightmare" is funny
why does math even need a consicious mind to exist ? why does creation necessitate the existence of a conscious mind , that it is impossible for existence to be without a creator?
Because Christians can't or don't want view the world through a lens other than one where God created everything and anything other that is wrong
This video simply takes the idea of "nature" and demands that a supernatural mind must have created it.
It is completely ridiculous to think that nature requires a supernatural origin.
The reason mathematics is inherent in nature is because we have developed mathematics to try to explore nature.
Nature does not follow the laws of mathematics. Mathematics follows the observations of what we see in nature.
When we discover new properties in nature, we alter mathematics and create new mathematics to help us to understand those new discoveries. Nature is nature and nothing more or less. We don't need supernatural dogma to help us understand it, we just need to use our minds to model new ways of thinking about it.
When we cloud our understanding of nature with supernatural and superstitious ideas we get unreliable story-telling religion.
When we base our understanding on measurable, repeatable, learnable -- and changeable -- as we will no doubt always be changing how much we know about nature -- then we have a scientific process that is reliable.
Saying that naturalists will never understand nature because we don't believe that nature has a mind, like we do, like god ostensibly does, is just pure egocentrism. Nature doesn't need a mind, because nobody created nature from their mind. It simply is, because it is. It doesn't need to be conflated with psuedo-historical ethnic folklore like "jesus" or "krishna" or "thor" to be suitably profound. It's just nature, and nature is naturally profound. No superstition needed.
It appears that you have a problem with the concept, of some other being, more intelligent than you, that has power and control over you.
I understand your aversion to dogma and superstition.
I get it, some people would choose death over incarceration.
Fractals do not exist by accident, they are obvious evidence of a coded design... Call it nature if you want. And that code and design have an origin and that origin is GOD... whatever and whoever, that God is.
@thomasokelly8667 That's a beautiful idea. But it's evidence and not beauty that makes an idea trustworthy. Beautiful ideas can be foolish.
Intelligent entities are one thing. Thousands of them have been postulated, and yet most cultures are willing to commit atrocities to espouse their own particular and unique set of anthropomorphic myths.
Sometimes the most beautiful and loving ideas can be perverted into an excuse to harm those who are skeptical.
If you expect to live in a world with other people and to be kind and compassionate with them, you will respect the kind of measurable evidence that can be demonstrated and taught and measured and verified, falsified, and rectified to match the most reliable evidence that is available to anyone and everyone of any and all cultures and heritage.
It is okay to say "I don't know".
Is there an intelligence that controls the universe?
I don't know.
If there is, I suspect it doesn't want to communicate with us. Maybe it's hiding, or maybe that's not how you might define intelligence? I don't know.
I don't see much evidence for anything resembling any mainstream religions.
Your milage may vary.
But to insist that particular kind of invisible or enigmatic authority is in charge of how we live our lives is foolish at best, and completely maliciously evil at worst.
I'd prefer to say "I don't know. I don't see much evidence to begin changing my lifestyle or insisting on a lifestyle change for others" than to be that other kind of guy.
How about you?
It seems to me that if every time we see something incredible and greater than our understanding, we assume that is evidence for some kind of profound supernatural break in reality -- for what is "supernatural" beyond a great break from normal nature -- if we immediately make that kind of assumption, and don't just admit that maybe we just don't know right now, but it would be worth looking into...
That's a fairly foolish way to look at the world. Becoming transfixed with laziness and a lack of curiosity to discover through further examination the natural processes that we, perhaps don't understand. And perhaps we never will. But that's no reason to relegate them to "unnatural" if doing so allows us to just accept them on "faith" and no longer seek to further inquire.
All too often people want to see something profound and use it as excuse to believe ridiculous things, things that other people might not believe, and that might cause anger and conflict, and to use that profound mystery as a lazy excuse to argue on behalf of their own unexamined beliefs in order to win the argument and compel others to believe how they believe and behave how they behave. Why?
Because MYSTERY is hard to explain, it must be proof of supernatural gobbledygook!
@@JacobHolcomb believing in a Higher Power or a Creator does not make one lazy or not want to inquire, It’s the opposite because people believed in a creator is why modern science was born.
It was Christians that laid the foundations of modern science.
It turns out that most of the fathers of modern science-you know, the guys with laws named after them-were Christians.
The Christian convictions of the founders of modern science led to the birth of modern science because these Christians saw the world in a very particular way. Firstly, they believed there was an orderly creation because there is a God of order who made it.
To do science you need smart people using their rational minds to study the world. Where did rational minds come from? A rational God. They were convinced they were “thinking God’s thoughts after him” (Kepler said that). So, not only is the world governed by rational laws, we can discover the world’s rational laws with our rational minds.
They believed that studying the acts of creation was actually an act of worship. Kepler wrote, “I had the intention of becoming a theologian...but now see how God is, by my endeavors, also glorified in astronomy.”
Francis Bacon, developed the scientific method, he was a Christian.
Johannes Kepler, discovered the laws of planetary motion, a committed Christian.
Galileo, the scientist who convinced the world that the sun is the center of the solar system, not the earth, a Bible-believing Christian.
Robert Boyle, he founded modern chemistry. Yep, also a Christian. And Gregor Mendel, he monkeyed around with pea plants and founded genetics he was a monk, for goodness sake. And what about Louis Pasteur? You got it, a Christian.
Lord Kelvin, Christian
So there you have it all men of faith whom believed in a creator/God
And because of it were curious about the creation.
1 Corinthians 3:18
Whoever thinks they are wise in this world should become a fool. That's the only way they can be wise.
1 Corinthians 1:27
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise;
Keep explaining your nature thingy infront of Satan when you reach hell or repent now you have a choice
it's funny that he goes off the intuition of a CHRISTIAN astrophysicist biases can be made subconsciously
Random writer 300 years ago "the man ate the spaghetti." People be like today "Ah this makes since it means 'something very complicated' yes".
First of all math doesn't need a mind to exist. Math is just logic that exists because it exists. If we just say that god is math, or his mind is math then tell me what kind of equation predicts that me kicking someone in the nuts will send me to hell, a lot of things don't make scene when you think that god thinks using math, like what is bible supposed to be, why heaven and hell exist and why out of the entirety of the universe a singe spec of dust, a single nation has been chosen by this god, sounds kind like main character syndrome if you ask me. Also the universe doesn't obey laws of math, it obeys laws of physics.
I feel like what math is yah is humans limited ability to understand things like what ever god says become like how we see stuff inside this math equation that is the same irl and this is our first prove of infinity because it has been and will be just like the most high but then again we humans are limited this is just a small part of something HUGE❤
@@val22-o9x You can say so, but that's not the point of the video. The point of the video is to prove God. God is something unprovable and undisprovable (If that's even a word). That's why religion is a religion, not a fact. If you believe in god, that's alright, but trying to prove it with math is just nonsense. And math isn't limiting the understanding of god. No, math is just a tool to understand the physics of the universe, it has nothing to do with god.
I knew I should have paid more attention in math classes 😂 I struggled in math all through college. ❤ so very cool! I wish I had been able to listen to this before … thank you for sharing this!!!!!
Don’t beat yourself up so fast we only learn the way our parents taught us it’s never to late to start from where you left off you still have that part of you inside of you start today learning what you want to learn we all been misled by our leaders now we are able to make a new path to success
The real math is 1+1=3 ❤
Well lucky for you this video is a bunch of nonsense surrounded by misleading big words and complex equations. Search the phrase "god of the gaps". The misleading visual correlations of the mandelbrot set and nature doesn't automatically prove there's a god. This video is absolutely glossing over a whole lot of missing evidence as if it doesn't matter.
@@barbaricmelons We as Human Beings are Multidimensiona. l think its more about Many perspectives. Multiple views if you saw what you truly look like BEYOND the 3D surface level you'd see you are a Light a Gigantic Light lol some of us can see the vortextes of the human meridians. It is no such thing as right or wrong.
I think this video scares you reading your projections at its content.
@@lisadavie5282 the only thing that scares me about this video are the people believing it blindly and empowering pseudoscience as if it's containing some deeper meaning other than religious baiting. By all means surround yourself with extrapolated metaphors of light, shapes, and multiple dimensions from videos dinner just trying to get views you glean a deeper understanding from, but there's a real tangible level of damage these religious videos do the people that can't discern faith-based stories and legitimate studied conclusions... And that damage hurts Society in the long run. I get you, you want a deeper meaning to existence and that's not a bad thing, but the video is literally sourcing another video from 'Answers in Genesis', a faith-based channel, which then proceeds to use numbers which are a man-made system of tools to describe observations. But then, because that system of observations resembles patterns in nature their conclusion is it must be god? They're leaving a whole lot of steps out to verify the legitimacy of that claim. Please, don't abandon your critical thinking skills for a RUclips channel.
Mathematics is a concept we made up in our mind to understand the physical world
Lying for Jesus.
The only thing I got from this video is how ignorant theists can be.
Math is a representation of the physical world internalized conceptually, according to experience of the real world. The number, "3", for instance, developed organically from our experience of the physical world. Math as a rules-based system developed from such fundamental beginnings. "Fractals" are a product of mathematical processes, specifically, "recursion", where the result of one calculation is used in a later iteration of the same calculation--the equation will "feed" itself forever, if the result is not mathematically "illegal". This is the entire "mystery" of the infinity of the Mandelbrot set. It goes on forever because it is mathematically designed to do so! It may be a suggestive way to imagine "the mind of God", in someone's conception, but it IS NOT, itself, the mind of God.
Yeah, major problem at the off- Man invented mathematics. We invented mathematics and numbers to explain the natural world. We continue to use mathematics where it remains relevant, but the universe does not rely on these rules, the rules describe the universe. The discovery of a wrinkle in mathematics that first revealed "imaginary numbers" was disruptive BECAUSE it called into question the ability of mathematics to accurately describe the universe. Mathematically, imaginary numbers exist as a byproduct of calculation, but we can't comprehend their physical existence.
Math was not invented; it was discovered.
you didnt watch the entire video didnt you
I'm sure someone has already told you... Man did not invent math... They discovered it... Every scientist on Earth... Atheist or otherwise has known thatfor centuries 😎
@@jimhughes1070 really? did we just find it under a rock somewhere?
@@DumpsterJedi wow... History must have been really hard for you...
Do you really think we just "invented"... 2+2=4?... Dude. If there were no people on the planet... Or even better.... If they're never had been any people anywhere...
The equation would still remain true!
All of them!... Everybody knows that! 😭😭😎
Literally a DMT trip hence the “God Particle”
I've known this for a good part of 20 years, but you presented it in a concise shorthand that I found to be accurate and entertaining. Love this channel 👍
Oh you knew this? Do you also know if Dr. Jason Lisle is a butcher considering how full of bologna he is? There's a theory called "God of the gaps" that states just because there's some kind of correlation without a direct explanation, doesn't automatically prove the existence of god. This video is making an awful lot of assumptions on account of lacking evidence.
You don't know it, you merely believe it, and it's all a crock of bullshit!
@@Bob-of-Zoid --- I believe in healthy levels of skepticism. I also believe there are way too many people out there who wouldn't believe the nose on their face, had they not seen it in the mirror this morning. I feel sorry for those types, as they will never get to explore how mysterious and wonderful this world can be.
@@ilovebutterstuffYou don't get it, nor is anything about your "Skepticism" healthy! Nothing this video claims has any scientific clout at all! Mysteries do exist, but since when does making up absurd things based on false attribution, proclaiming it's true, and then trying to back it up with more unsubstantiated absurd claims a means to knowledge of any kind?
Skepticism is not about challenging things because you don't understand them, or because they don't fit your belief, but trying ones best to know more true things and believe in fewer untrue things!
Science would never make such an absurd claim, and even if Dr. Mandelbrot did claim "It's the mind of god" science is not based on authority, and no scientist will just accept it just because he said it! That's not at all how science works, and once you learn how many people, experiments, fact checking and all there is before anything passes peer review and so well supported that other scientists will use it in their work here relevant, and cite it.
Einsteins laws have been cited millions of times, multiple discoveries made, and even shown usable to the point we have a much better picture of the universe because of everything it predicted, whereas this video misquotes Dr. Mandelbrot and other scientists, misinterprets many science findings, and uses a single "Authority" one Dr. Jason Lisle; an astrophysicist who's only legitimate work is concerning convection cells in the sun... and that only, since then he has mainly focused on shilling for "Answers in Genesis", "the Institute for Creation Research", and is the Founder of "the Biblical Science Institute", which are all three fundamentalist christian apologetics indoctrination mills, that hire unsuccessful barely published if at all other then self published books they wrote (so not officially published in respected and accredited scientific journals) and yet are still peer reviewed by scientists only to show just how freaking wrong they are, how their methods are not accepted as viable scientific methods and how they even violate science ethics for making unsubstantiated claims! So off the record, since no actual research for any of it is on the record!
These Christian scientists"; real scientists are just scientists (there are no factions), do no real experiments, don't even have well equipped suitable labs, nor ever done any viable or useful research studies, and do science all freaking backwards! They claim a god exists, and based on that "Knowledge" (it's mere belief) they set out to "Prove it", but not by showing actual evidence the scientific community can investigate and see if it's useful..., but by trying to defame real scientists, twist known science to fit their agenda, call whole branches of science wrong, especially the most solid scientific theory of them all Evolution, false, and it's the one theory with the the most freaking science facts, works within the laws of physics, is corroborated by several fields with even more evidence... so just undermining science as if that proves anything other than they truly are frauds! IOW: Real and honest scientists review their books to call them out for the complete frauds they are, and to point out their one real agenda:
To gaslight and fool enough gullible people to believe their shit, mainly those who already believe in god looking to confirm their bias toward an already held belief, who they can fleece to make a lot of money off of! All of them are about as full of shit as it gets and just a bunch of cons!
The fact that you wrote "I've known this for a good part of 20 years", just shows that you are not at all a skeptic, but one of the gullible who drank the Koolaid, who anyone with a good story that confirms that which you already and want to believe for whatever comfort or pride it gives you (truth be damned), can manipulate you like a puppet!
So, since this video has no other citations than the well debunked, known fraudster Dr. Lisle a self proclaimed "Christian scientist" (so christian first and foremost), and instead of just presenting the science, appeals to fools emotions and bias to have a way to take down Atheists, which does not equal scientist, nor have jack shit to do with science in the first place (An atheist is just one who doesn't believe in gods, for any or no reason, nothing more), and using that strawman argument to attack the strawman, rather than what the science really says! So you can either just believe that shit and keep feeding your conformation bias, or educate yourself on the actual science not in the christian context, but the way scientists all over the world (so not ~100 fringe outcasts, but millions), who do actual investigation and discovery, provide sufficient evidence and can demonstrate how shit really works, and in many ways, like how it is being used in practice, none mere belief or claim based!
At minimum as one who claims to have healthy skepticism, you can and should have already seen any one of many red flags in this video, starting with the whole philosophical approach which is packed with every freaking logical fallacy in the book, and looked into the truth of it, which you obviously have not done yet! So you have two paths of inquiry:
1. The 100% christian god belief biased rhetorical dogma side for which you will get lot's of hits to his lectures and what not, all in fundi christian institutions (so again not the ones who separate their religion from the sciences, but the ones trying to replace science with their already held belief), or
2. The Dr. Lisle as just a scientist, to which you will find very little of anything other than Atheists, scientists, and even other christians countering his bullshit, and showing where he is scientifically wrong, and philosophically brain dead for the most part! You can start with reading what many others have to say about him:
Secular (unbiased): rationalwikiDOTorg/wiki/Jason_Lisle discovermagazineDOTcom/the-sciences/another-passel-of-creationist-lies
Heres a few christian sources: freethinkingministriesDOTcom/an-evidentialist-review-of-jason-lisles-the-ultimate-proof-of-creation/ biologosDOTorg/articles/light-matters-a-response-to-jason-lisle
And then you can have days of reading and viewing, just pop this in a search: Criticism of and debunking Dr. jason lisle
Do that, and get back to me.
Rubbish, read my post. Feel free to prove it wrong.
Really sloppy circular reasoning doesn't make a very good argument for the "mind of God" sorry. I had high hopes for this video and was disappointed
It is totally unnecessary since the evidence is much clearer and far less convoluted. Yet atheists reject it as well. Which is, of course, merely a symptom of theophobia as some atheists finally admitted during an extended discussion in which they vehemently refused to reason cogently.
as an atheist this did not make me change my religion, thank god i didnt get converted
The laws also exist before Christianity. When people were secular.
Amen brother🍷✝️🙏🏼🌍❤️🩸🤞🏼you are awoken my brother.
the world's not random; therefore God
the world is also random in many ways and this randomness does not disprove God
good point
The existence of disorder doesn't justify ignoring the evidence does indicate a creator. That is like finding junked computers and concluding that nobody was responsible for inventing undamaged computers. That kind of irrational thinking is characteristic of those suffering from theophobia.
This does not prove christianity. That's simply conflationary logic. I won't refute a universal or collective consciousness, but to boil that down into a singular entity is frankly infantile. You would never identify yourself as your fingertip.
well said
The Christian god and THE REAL GOD are 2 separate things
DMT brought me knowledge that nobody I could ever understand. The realm where good amd evil clash. It's the ultimate treepass. I learmed knowledge older than my age. I sae infinity and almost went mad. It didn't change my beliefs. I've aleays believed in God. Thid experience only made me understand that God is far beyond anything the human brain will ever understand. Magic is anything we can't understand with sciemce.
That sums up my first experience.
There is no god in the sence that we have no right to decide or really know what that god is. I wish we could just come together and agree that SOME KIND of HIGHER POWER exists and just leave it at that.🤷♀️
Concepts exist in the mind, not in physical space
God is not a concept, He is and always will be!
Plz and stop believing in your pee pee ass mind and look for God
Will be what?
So the planets didn’t orbit the sun until us humans “created” mathematics and created those equations? No we discovered those equations and that math.
@@davidallen4765”will exist” is what it means, it’s simple English
Oh no! Another "atheist nightmare" video. I'm so scared!
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Thank you I was trying to find a description for this giebady gook and you described it perfectly. His word said he has given delusion to some and these people are delusional.
You should be cause this is gods work
There’s a saying that goes he who only looks for the knowledge of the flesh. Will be good as never created, the best part of our enemy is, he is the greatest deceiver. And he’s doing a really good job controlling you with that.
@@a.k.r.o5823Meh. From my perspective, theists are the ones being controlled by deception, but you will probably never accept that. So I'll just adhere to another saying; don't argue with stupid people, they will only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Question. Which god?
🫡 It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
only theirs and none other!!!
The light, the love the energy. Not a "person" like "Allah", "JHWH" or "Jesus" just God. The 1 and everything.
@@WaRRioRofLight.Like Spinoza's god!😉
The essence of all what exists.
Pretty much like Nature itself.
As above, so below is one of the seven Hermetic principles that work as a whole.
TLDR: They made an infinitely generating pattern with a math formula that infinitely recreates itself down the line or on itself in smaller versions. They then repeatedly say imaginary numbers were used and repeatedly compare its infinite endless pattern to how gods mind could be since it is assumed to be infinite and endless.
They then repeatedly say clearly this infinite pattern (they came up with the formula for) and it's beautiful appearance (they came up with the colors and imagery for) could only be of gods design.
So they came up with a formula that created an amazing endless unexpected pattern and this somehow proves God.. He added a lot of fancy wording about how humans didn't create this because we could have decided 2+2=5 and clearly this is just something amazing left behind by the creator proving there is a creator.
How did he stretch this into 23 minutes of explaining? By saying "stick with me" "this will prove it all" "this will make you a believer" and showing clips of someone also going on about how mathematics laws clearly are created by God.
They then compare some of the patterns made by this looking just like snowflakes, or frost on a window, or a lightning bolt, or leaves on a plant, of specific cones/seeds, or the shape of galaxies. (A lot of things that are kinda known for creating patterns)
They then say clearly we see these mathematical laws being obeyed in our universe because.... Must be God.God must think mathematically.... Even though I'm pretty sure most math was created based on things we saw for tools of understanding to give us explanations on things in our universe (example: I have pie slice...I have pie slice again.. 1 + 1 = 2 🤯)... They seem to want to stress math as a possible mind made invention that the universe just so happens to seem to follow due to god because of their belief while also repeatedly saying clearly math has existed before man and is a god created invention. This was a headache to watch but I enjoyed how these numbers and supposed imaginary numbers made shapes that look similar to how atoms form certain patterns in our universe.
I would love to have evidence God exists but this ain't it, this is just a waste of 23 minutes on a Sunday night sadly before I need to sleep for work. Have a good night and I hope this quick break down saved you some time.
I think the main point at the end was these patterns and mathematical equations clearly existed in some way before man due to things in our universe being able to be repeated or explained by math (wow I wonder why that is, mustn't be because we came up with math to explain certain things and it just so happened to line up with more complex things....) and since there is this evidence it existed before man it must be God's doing. That's basically it. (He goes on that math helping us explain things is God sharing his mind with us and is a holy revelation.)
Where are the links to the scientific evidence? Its no evidince withouth eveidence
Maybe what you're perceiving as evidence is wrong? You're looking for evidence based on your original ideology teachings. Tom McDonald says in a song that we'll give religion to the masses but let the righteous find the light. He also says that we'll use science to oppose the word of Christ. The song is called the system and it will explain everything.
@@malahkhesus482dude asks for links and you quote Tom McDonald?? Omg I just lost like half my brain cells. That was so fucking stupid it physically hurt to read.
So God exists because fractals? Im sorry but this is the classic god of the gaps logical fallacy. In other words, you not understanding the complexity of something is not an open invitation to label it as actions of god.
@@malahkhesus482 evidence is. Something that can be proven and gives the same result or outcome when performed over and over
@@malahkhesus482
_"Maybe what you're perceiving as evidence is wrong?"_
Evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking. So, if it's indistinguishable from wishful-thinking, I'd say it's not evidence.
Do you have *anything* distinguishable from wishful-thinking backing up your religious beliefs? I'd love to hear it, if so. Just one specific example? Just *something* distinguishable from wishful-thinking that points to your god, rather than to some natural explanation (known or unknown)?
This proves the Islamic concept of "Kon Fayakoon" meaning "He desires and it is created" mentioned in the Quran!
This also is an approval of the spiritual knowledge of "All is one" or "The unity of all that is".
Fun fact the Quran states the The Bible is correct and The Bible states that nothing is to be added to it not removed. The Quran in a round about way is admitting it is a lie
It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
@@justadutchman5169 well it's more than believing in the Christian God, but about being moral and following the example of His son who paid for our sins. God is just and fair. If one has never heard His Gospel I'm more than sure He'll account for this for He accounted for everything we could need.
@@potte2314 A non-physical deity cannot have physical offspring. Jesus is considered God's son in a metaphorical sense, much like all of humanity, even when viewed through the lens of Christianity.
@ParvaizRaja I believe Ron Wyatt may have proved this to be true though.
this concept is akin to the cart pulling the horse
explain
Mathematics follows the laws of nature....and this presenter is rather suggesting that the natural world follows the law of math....witch's backwords.
Turtles upon Turtles was a concept conceptualized by a native culture prior to colonized conceptions of math which systemically replaced non-linear qualifications.
Example 🧔(1)+👩🦰(1)=👩🦲(3) and 1🧔×1🧔=🧔²
It has become so bad now with colonized (fecaled) concepts that some people believe that 🧔+🧔 or 👩🦰+👩🦰 can equal 3rd when it can only ever equal 1/2.
Also, it doesn't matter how many slices of an apple are made by cutting it up, it will still only be 1 apple.
😂😂
@@behrit5720I see the real point as being WHY are there any laws in nature?
Why isn’t the universe just static or billions of rocks floating aimlessly?
Why is the universe ordered and intelligible so that there are any laws of nature, physics, even morality.
@@PatrickSteil
...I'm leaning towards....a temporary temporal tempo allows our conscia (formless) to take form and tune into a pulse...
Like vapour condensation in a closed system...supports life in a place of death.
Fractals is a nightmare for the ones who dont have a computer for an example.
As an atheist I don’t see any god in this arbitrary but rather interesting mathematic formula
Terrence McKenna famously says that mushrooms will speak to you in a dark room on a high enough dose. I thought this was a load of crap until I tried it for myself and experienced exactly what he was talking about. When the trip was really coming on I began to see fractal patterns and had this same zooming experience in my visuals as you just demonstrated with the mandelbrot set. And the funny thing is it said exactly what you just said now you know the meaning of infinity as I was zooming in faster and faster and never reach the bottom of the fractal patterns
This is your brain on drugs, kids.
@@Bill_Garthright You obviously do not understand psychedelics and the research that has been done on them.
@@johnnastrom9400
Well, that's both extraordinarily vague _and_ a useless reply to humor.
Just because I see cartoons on my ceiling after taking mushrooms doesn't mean they are real.
Has it had positive effects on my depression? Yes.
Enjoyable and increases emotional connections? Yes.
But that doesn't mean it's a Divine state, or that the Carebears I see are god.
It's a trip. That's it. How we describe meaning to things might differ but the reality is that you're senses are being altered by a biochemical reaction. This alters the normal state of your senses.
Transformative yes. God? No. If it is then have god call me.
The great Mandelbrot!
I work at Los Alamos Labs and for lunch I always have steamed Mandelbrot with fractalized onions.
@@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole lmao
That's a good one!
Ha. Come see The Acoustic Rabbit Hole!@@amodernalchemist432
It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
False vacuum decay disproves everything he says in this video
I love the video that you're sharing here. I share it with everybody I feel is intelligent enough to understand the profound information of it
False vacuum decay disproves everything he says in this video
Me before the video: atheist
Me during the video: atheist
Me after the video: atheist
Maybe an atheist can’t explain it, but an atheist also can’t explain how the universe was created, because the universe is way to big to be understood by a human brain. I understand why people are religious, I was a christian once too, but it’s still not how I see the the world and this video still doesn’t show me how god could even be real.
I’m a proud atheist and I accept every belief, so please respect mine too!💞
Math doesn't control the universe it describes the universe
If it describes the universe, then math is the universe.
I am in the 5 grade even and I could recognize his leaps in logic
But why is that necessarily Christian and not Muslim, Jewish, or Hindu? He's presenting a false dichotomy between Christianity and atheism/secularism as if those are the only two options... There's a whole slew of other options out there
The thing repulsive in the hypothesis of Dr. Lisle is that he says you have to be a Christian to understand God. It is wrong, a religion is a concept of human mind to understand God and there are many religions as there are many equations to describe reality. Ultimately you don’t need religion to understand God, all you need is consciousness and intellect.
We all come from the same source and are tuning into different frequencies that make us who we are
What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
And your evidence for that is? Sorry, but science isn't mental masturbation!
Unfortunately. She's demonic today. I'm here so Steve can go to a Dr. Appointment at 2. Do I'll be here either all night, or till late afternoon.
This doesn't prove anything as mathematics is a tool made by men to understand better the reality around us. Mathematics wasn't embedded in our universe, it was made by people in order to respond accordingly to this universe. We were pretty good about it but it's not even close to being perfect as you state, given that we can't even demonstrate that theorems based on arithmetics are coherent with themselves ( see Gödel's theorem of incompleteness for reference). All this to say that numbers and equation are coherent with the reality around us not because they are an intrinsic element of it, but because men built them to be coherent with it. And we weren't even that good at it.
This could also be evidence supporting simulation theory
Yes simulation theory is same theory that use church and same as Christian god. Thers almost no difference. Both says that some super being created universe for us to watch us close.
So are we sentient npcs?