The Bungie Lawsuit Is INSANE!!
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Bungie is suing the pants off of this guy who submitted 96 false copyright takedowns in their name. This lawsuit is crazy! the depths this guy went to...
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Introduction - 0:00
Copyright & Music on RUclips - 2:39
Where the Story Begins - 5:10
Reading/Discussing The Lawsuit - 6:05
The 96 Takedowns - 14:08
Bungie Hones in on a Suspect - 19:27
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Bungie came out swinging with that BIG DICK ENERGY
YES
Yes sir
Sup
Sahhhhh due
Yes
The fact that even a multibillion dollar company had to fight RUclips for multiple days just to prove it wasn’t them is actually insane. How does RUclips expect its smaller creators to defend themselves from false claims with their atrocious system when even the big guys can’t even do it with ease!? I know RUclips’s system is already tarnished to the ground but man it gets even more pathetic with stuff like this
Simple hope screaming on twitter helps, if not you are screwed.
RUclips doesn't care about their creators
RUclips doesn’t care. I mean look, we’re all still on it watching this video despite all the bullshit they pull. If people actually cared they wouldn’t be here on RUclips bitching about it. They’d be somewhere else.
@@probablykevin22 that's the other issue, there are smaller platforms but they don't last long/ not big enough to go against the established platforms, not yet at least. If youtube had a competitors it would be forced to be a better platform
@@lmul1441 yeah that's the problem. Twitch is BARELY a competition for game streaming and twitch might be on the way out.
Establishments are crumbling and its gotten so bad big tech can't even be regulated by the system
I lost my channel because of this guy. Thankfully, I got it back and I'm so glad I got mentioned in the lawsuit. This guy basically destroyed my channel for 3 weeks. I'm still floored that something like this could even happen. Also, thanks for bringing light to our struggles Act Man!
Hope you're doing better my guy
Congrats on getting your channel back!
Rise from the ashes!
are you getting compensated for that as part of their lawsuit somehow?
Hopefully this changes RUclips for the better and they actually fix the copyright system
Seeing Bungie refer to RUclips's systems as a "byzantine procedural labyrinth" is one of the best things I've ever read.
The lawsuit is just bungie flaming youtube and nazo the entire time. It's one big roast session
This lawsuit is straight up insane. This is equivalent to a man gets caught on fire and thought burning the entire city will be much better than jumping in a pond.
Soo, basically, Nazo tried to social engineer himself into a more favorable position, damaging livelihoods in the process, and RUclips made sure to make stopping him as difficult as possible.
Because, fuck it, why not? At least they screw us all over equally. True egalitarians.
sounds like a certain someone we know
@@starrynovaa he who cannot be named
Quantum Physics difficulty
Aw shit. Here we go again
Not only does this tale show how broken the RUclips copyright system is, but it clearly shows how incompetent their support system is at the exact time. It just goes to show how money driven they can be and gives us examples of RUclips being a complete joke.
I hope once Bungie is done dealing with nazo, they try suing RUclips for causing this mess or for ineptitude.
@@danialyousaf6456 I have a feeling they might. But either way, I'm gonna pop some corn for this shit
@@danialyousaf6456 fuck bungie they deserve it
@@thomasmurrell9832 leave some for me lol.
@@thomasmurrell9832 I remember seeing this a month ago, I'm surprised they haven't taken him to court by now.
Imagine being the lawyer that has to type "Lord Nazo" in legal documents lol
Aye clearly the person(s) typing this had a ball. They went to town. Quite jelly myself.
It’s the same as using any other brand name…
It speaks volumes with how well and truly fucked youtube is when a MAJOR CORPORATION needs to jump though the hoops just to get something done.
Bungie community: “Bungie, what are you doing?”
Bungie: “Giving the false copyright abuser back their L”
QTV: *quakes in fear*
From Software: taking notes...
Nah, he’s too stupid and stubborn to acknowledge he did wrong, he doesn’t have the capacity to sense danger
Hahahaha
*Bungie community: you mind telling me what your doing in that courtroom?*
Based
it's almost funny how whenever RUclips is involved in a situation like this they always make just the worst choices imaginable
Its almost like they do it in purpose
Well, I wouldn't call it funny...
Like a speedrun to the worst ending…
I'll shot myself in the foot and I'll do it again...-youtube probably"
I actually love how this lawsut made Bungie look good. They've been on a path to redemption ever since they've split up from Actvision, and as a Guardian myself I saw them remove lootboxes and fully invest in player experience. The item shop is literally cosmetics only, it doesn't even matter to the endgame.
Yes, the game is a DLC/Expansion selling machine, and that's weird, but the content provided is 100% banger. It's not like certain game developers who spend months advertising something to then sell a product that's half-baked. That's not the case with Bungie.
I thought they were with Microsoft, not Activition? They made the Halo games (first - third) for Microsoft.
@@parsar.k.p1337 Bungie left Microsoft after the creation of Halo Reach, then were bought by Activision before the release of Destiny 1, then they split from Activision before the release of Destiny 2 Shadowkeep. Now recently they were acquired by Sony. Kind of a Destiny and Bungie nerd which is why I know all this.
@@johnathancounterman9576 Thank you so much for answering my question.
@@parsar.k.p1337 And with the Sony deal, Bungie keeps ALL rights and decision making power; Sony is just their rich sugar daddy essentially, as Sony bought them to teach their other studios how to run a live game.
Darksideroyaltylore aka Joker would like to have a word with you "Guardian"
Also as an aside I always found it so cringe when Destiny players refer to themselves as "Guardians" outside the game lol it's so bad
Destiny 2 and Bungie has it's issues, but the strong content creation community around the game is something money can't buy and Bungie knows this. I'm glad to see them defending this community so strongly, they really could have just brushed it off and left those affected to deal with it but they've offered help with their RUclips contacts to restore channels.
Imagine you don't have a huge, highly qualified legal department like Bungie does and this happens to you.
They probably should have thought about that before the big slander campaign aimed at damaging their reputation by filing legal documents under someone elses name... of course if they had a legal department, it would have probably told them how stupid of an idea that is.
Hire the Act Attorney.
@@EskChan19 Mate, I think you misunderstood what he said.
@@EskChan19 errrrrr
@BbwSlayer 666 Yeah, lives shouldn't just be ruined but that's his fault for doing illegal activities to try and ruin the reputation of Bungie.
You know a company is bad when you have another company also complaining about how bad RUclips's copyright system is. Bungie should be careful, RUclips might shut down their channel as well for pointing out RUclips's flaws.
You know that Bungie could sue RUclips, right?
@@xavier8951 you know how expensive suing google is right? And how much damage and difficulty they could create, legally, in the process if they wanted to be vindictive?
@@michaelwerkov3438 accept Bungie actually has the money and the lawyers to get away with sueing RUclips if they wanted. Their a multi billion dollar company they can do it if they wanted even if it's not a good choice since it would ruin their relationship with YT. But hey more power to them.
@@xavier8951 I would love to see a battle between goliaths
@@michaelwerkov3438 you forget they are backed by sony now
What's legitimately amazing is we have for years now known people such as Onision have demonstrated they can in fact abuse this system to their benefit and only now is it probably still not going to get fixed
I already could have told u even back then it would likely take some multi billion dollar corporation getting screwed over for any meaningful change to happen
Us little guys mean nothing to them
The fact that a company like Bungie had to go through the same stuff that every other youtuber has to go through is god damn worrying.
No its a good thing.
In a lot of situations, if your rich and well connected you have a much easier time than if your a nobody.
Im glad Bungie is having a bad time with youtubes copyright system because it needs to be fixed.
@@benfordslaw5105 absolutely accurate!
Yea we should have an easier process for big billion dollar companies and keep the same antiquated shitty systems for the broke bois.
@@benfordslaw5105 the thing to worry is that youtube dnt give a sht about the big boys, imagine how much they care about the small ones?
Straight up, this guy got caught the same way some of the actual serial killers do - by being "proud" of their work. Bet he couldn't pay $7500, let alone $7.5 million.
Imagine if this guy had actualy taken the time to hide his tracks, using a VPN or a public network to send the takedowns and being carerful with his real account, he would not have been found and possibly could've kept doing it for longer, now realize that anyone can do that right now, on any video of any channel
@@sinnerthesinful552 no one was able to find who was striking the videos untill youtube finally decided to help
@@Emreakca- Didn't he said that he once send the takedown email from the wrong account?
Looking at how bad the current situation is with one incompetent person, imagine how bad it could get with dozens of smarter copycats.
@@alexanderrobins7497 or how chaotic with hundreds of incompetents.
If the House burned down it won't matter if the arsonists are found.
RUclips is the asshole here.
"to demonstrate that serious consequences await anyone else foolish enough to volunteer as a defendant by targeting Bungie's community for attack"
Bungie is not fooling around. They have Gjallarhorn locked and loaded.
That line used to say "stupid enough" instead of "foolish enough". Bungie nerfed it because it would've been to op to use, and they have a hostory of nerfing op things.
@@wesleyward5901 can't wait for telesto to break the courtroom
Havent played destiny in years but STILL love the referrence
Most times when large companies sue an individual
Internet: This is an injustice! Let’s boycott the company!
This time a large company sues an individual
Internet: yea fuck that guy, go get him
And this time it was deserved and funny as hell
I don't agree with companies randomly taking down music, if there's no other way to view it - lookin' at you, Nintendo...
But this is the first time I think the entire internet and gaming community agreed and backed the company.
If a particular obscure song or album is not available to buy or stream, then you should have every right to share and upload it. Otherwise, it will be lost and we have no way to hear it.
If the right-holder demands said musical piece to be taken down, it should be on them to re-release it through their official channels. If not, it makes them greedy, selfish and out of touch.
While this may sound unrealistic, it should be something we can strive for. We need to hear the soundtrack for Destiny 2 on its own.
@@QJ89 the thing that you don't understand, is that most music channels do that and Bungie doesn't bat an eye. This dude that got sued posted music that was already on the official destiny channel.
@@TimelostInTheSauce The fact that Bungie have uploaded D2's soundtrack themselves changes a lot about this case; Nazo is just being a prick for not accepting the compromise. The point stands, tho, that if they didn't do that while also pursuing legal action, they would not have the same level of sympathy.
Not naming names, but if another game's soundtrack got a limited, commercial release and then got uploaded here by a third party, the publisher would like like assholes if they ordered it to be taken down and then refused to re-release that soundtrack.
@@QJ89 exactly, if an exclusive rightsholder isn't interested in providing a legitimate means to purchase something, it's not on the market. there are no lost sales, so what recourse do they have?
Well said
To me it sounds like RUclips should be equally liable in this case, but we all know that's never gonna happen.
Yeah this guy is nuts but once again it's RUclips's copyright system that is the core issue. This shouldn't have even been possible and they've known about it for a longass time.
I agree. RUclips's system seems to actively enable this kind of abuse.
Absolutely
Bungie absolutely roasting Nazo in the legal document that they specifically made public is amazing.
I honestly have a bit of respect for Bungie because they have the balls to roast their target in the documents, instead of just being simple and professional in their document.
Granted, I think everyone in the gaming industry (excluding youtubers) is a piece of shit, but Bungie, I gotta give credit where it's due.
@@thomasmurrell9832 nope bungie absolutely sucks I hope they die out as devs cause destiny is just a scam selling content they show in the trailer as dlc is scummy and I have lost all respect for them since reach cause that game is another one of bungies shit shows people are just to willing to forgive bungie for literally everything
@@thomasmurrell9832 how is everyone in the gaming industry a piece of shit?
That's not good, bungie is doodoo. They have been screwing over their player base for 8 years now. The people that keep giving them money must have Stockholm Syndrome.
@@Damitsall thank you finally someone has the balls to say it
When he said “Can you believe a massive lawsuit that begins with the copyright system on youtube working as intended” it was so funny and sad at the same time
I wonder how YT would react if someone pretended to be YT and put takedown requests on official YT videos to demo to YT how bad this system is.
I doubt that anyone would actually want to do this though as YT would probably respond hostilly even if the person made it clear that they are doing it to demo how broken the system is.
That would be a sight to see, wouldn't it.... hmmm. If only...
If 4Chan users haven't done it yet, no one will
Isn't that basically what this guy did?
The Act Attorney is no longer about Call of Duty it's about RUclips justice.
yes
*Act Attorney
Yet still justice is denied
Yeah, trash content now.
call of duty vanguard is so bad that it's not worth covering it
Honestly, I'm surprised RUclips hasn't been sued for allowing the system to be this easily abused
How much do you want to bet Bungie will just sue youtube after this lawsuit is done
Hopefully Susan Wojicki & the staff team learn from this.
I'm guessing any company big enough to be inconvenienced enough to spent millions on it to bring them to court already has a direct line to YTHQ so that it doesn't happen, like music labels for example who probably have dedicated YT employees swatting copycats of these labels.
@@arrowpuppet We can only pray. Original commenter was right though, why HASN'T anyone else sued? Don't know shit about legal stuff but I've gotta wonder
The entire point of this system is so RUclips can wash its hand of any responsibility. IIRC it was made when they got threatened by Warner or something. Give power to claimant and if anyone has a problem then just throw them to the wo- I mean the lawyers.
So in short, Susan's "wisdom" of how she led RUclips bogged this down and made it somewhat worse than how it could've been. Goddamn.
I'll be honest, it's kind of surreal hearing about a multi-million-dollar lawsuit by a large company against a single individual which is actually justified. To be clear, I don't really give them any particular credit for this, because no act of any corporation is ever motivated by a genuine moral compass, but it's still weird seeing a case where they actually were acting in good faith and trying to protect their consumers.
This is the best take on this
I kinda want to disagree here.While i think people who do this deserve to be punished,The amount of money estimated someone with a *HIGH INCOME* will make in their lifetime is estimated to 6.7 milion dollar...the guy/girl was reposting music online,i doubt they could provide enough money for the lawsuit in their lifetime.This guy isnt a compagny and while he did commit a fellony,i dont think its fair to ask for that amount unless they killed or maimed someone for life.
@@George_Gogo01 Lawsuits amounts are not about "fairness". They're partially punitive in nature - if you don't set them high, you send a message that this is the level of seriousness you are prescribing (which is low). You seem to be confusing lawsuits with high school.
@@kodosquea1994 thats not what i mean.They should have a maximum amount for *individual* to not RUIN THEIR LIFE.If someone gave me this lawsuit,i might just kill myself on the spot or something.Sure he did some bad shit,but there is no conceivable way he could pay that back.Not only that,the paper seem to imply he is a MINOR (unless they meant it in another way).
@@George_Gogo01 i dont think you uderstand, this guy impersonated and stole property from someone else, made a gmail account pretending to be someone else amd commit fraudulent claims on behalf of THAT PERSON and that company. So he is targeting and hurting the company and its employees. It's pretty heinous and evil if you think about it. RUclips creators have gotten so accustommed to using other people's content now, that things like this aren't given a second thought. People think they are allowed to do anything in this world and expect there not to be consequences for damaging someone else. No
Glad to see you doing so good after everything that transpired these past few months.
Fr RUclips did him DIRTY
@@Ravensbro04 way too dirty
@@setsers1 agreed
@lebay💗💯 shut up BOT
@The Act Man 🅥 get outta here imposter
Honestly, it seems like RUclips should be held responsible for this as well. Their poor system for handling copyright claims and negligence in addressing the known issues with said system are the only reason this got as far as it did in the first place. This guy should never have been able to so successfully damage Bungie's public reputation in this fashion, nor issue such claims against other creators' work in the first place.
Problem is that as far as I know there's no law that requires them to do more than they currently do. They have sare harbor protection that basically makes them immune for legal actions as long as they just stay neutral and comply with takedown requests. This is quite literally what the current legislation forces them to do: to let this madness happen on their turf so that they wouldn't be held responsible. Sure they probably could handle this better regardless but the problem isn't just YT, it's legislation that's still decades behind the current era. DMCA was never intended to govern media in its current forms and sorely needs some serious updating.
idk man, wasn't he purposely abusing the system? It's plain impersonation what the guy was doing. I dont see how RUclips is to blame for this (maybe a tiny bit only).
@@k_e_n_n_y_mccormick I think if someone were to provide another person with the means to cause financial damage to others, and assisted them in doing so either purposefully or via their own negligence, they could be held liable. In this case, RUclips gave someone an extremely easy avenue to cause harm to its content creators and to Bungie, failed to utilize any safeguards to prevent said harm (it is WILD to me that their system doesn't even verify that the source of the copyright strike is legitimate), and carried out - or allowed their automations to carry out - actions that directly caused that harm.
The system certainly facilitates criminal activity with little regard for preventing it
@@retrohanska4441 But RUclips isnt a safe Harbor since they actively moderate and curate shown videos and content
It's amazing that Bungie knows the lawsuit is such a slamdunk for them cuz they have EVERYTHING they just start flaming the guy any chance they get it's amazing truly
*RUclips won't change until their advertisers shareholders start bailing out* . It's frustrating how not even bad PR and common decency are enough to move YT anymore.
Great job covering this though!
“If someone was selling cheats that negatively affect the online viability, you’d want to do something about that.”
Valve: Nah
Very true
Lord Gaben won
But they actually did and tf2 is playable now. I know thats the least they could do, but hey, its something.
@@thechillsadist It only took them almost 2-3 years
@@thechillsadist Whoa seriously? How do you suppose they were able to do that? Most big publishers don't bother to fight cheaters anymore.
You know, it's a small comfort to know that even major companies have to deal with RUclips's bullshit. Hopefully this will make some kind of change happen.
I think it already did. RUclips changed it so that now, when you get a DMCA and file a counter-claim, the person who sent DMCA in the first place has to provide proof within 7 days, not 30. I genuinely think it's in response to what happened with Bungie.
I don’t see it will. Cuz google/YT is the main reason why this shit happens. And they like to scapegoat onto users. In this case, the person who submitted the claims. And if they are decided as the wrong doer, they implement changes that doesn’t fix anything but rather punishes users. Google is too massive a company for them to actually be threatened by anything. Unless they screw up so bad the government has to get involved, they’ll just use loopholes and claim innocence cuz all they did was neglect to do the right thing, rather than actively doing said wrong thing.
That said, someone did mention some changes to how it works. I hope next they’ll remove the fact the person being claimed needs to supply their address.
And I hope they’ll remove deleting channels after a first offense, and not give them any chance to properly dispute stuff.
Nah it will not
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a review on Resident Evil on Netflix recent show.
Like that’s ever gonna happen
The fact that bungie is bringing up the weakness of RUclips’s copyright system is a potential massive W for change.
this video is gold i didnt know this was happening thanks for post xD happy your remonitized bro
I expect Bungie to go after RUclips once this first lawsuit is over. There is enough evidence to prove RUclips knows situations like this happen frequently, making them complicit.
Nah, they won't.
Doubt it. There’s no guaranteed money in it and it would cost an arm and a leg
The judge could make RUclips do something about it as long as neither party settles.
I can assure you Bungie has no interest in spending their money and resources fixing a platform that a) they don't own and b) is a lost cause anyway.
@@4doorsmoresmores694 they might if youtube doesn't reform anything because it threatens them as well. But who knows in this day and age, corporations don't give a shit because they're so big
I’m so glad you got remonitized so we can get great content like this! Your uploads never fail to be awesome.
These bots are unkillable
@The Act Man 🅥 fake comment
He got remonitized?
@@dontwork4338 fake
You can upload videos while demonitized you know. Unless you’re only in it for the money.
14:03 I like how you snuck in a Master Chief death scream
Reminds me of the mom that disguised herself as a kid to expose how bad the school security is and how clueless teachers are. She still got arrested and has a record now.
This is some Internet Historian material right here. Bungie's lawyer's are absolute savages roasting both RUclips and the offender on a legal document lmao.
Also the guy was pretty much discount Palpatine, getting both sides to fight each other
RUclips gonna demonetise Bungie lol
@@aurin_komak yeah, cuz that's gonna hurt their income...
DISCOUNT PALPATINE, lmfao I'm dead hahaha
I feel like bungie could go after RUclips for negligence in this instance.
RUclips is wayyyy too rich to care.
Except that RUclips's hands are tied when it comes to DMCA laws (meaning they cannot intervene or make a decision)
@@tammytheranger7645 their hands aren't tied by how dog shit their system is
@@porterj9360 fr if anything, RUclips tied their own hands
The Safe Harbour provision is all that's keeping RUclips out of the lava, and it's been that way since ViaCom went for the throat back in the day. If they address the failures of their copyright system, they're going to be in violation of Safe Harbour, and a ton of legal teams will jump at the chance to eat them alive.
It makes me happy to see you back on your feet after the past dilemma!
I'm glad your back to making content. :) Keep doing what you love man.
The Act Attorney in a tank top with more legal topics. Nice.
Damn these bots are everywhere
@The Act Man 🅥 wait, that’s illegal
More like Legal Tank Topics
The Thespian Advocate just came from theater practice, that's why he's only wearing a tank top.
You know what? I would be more than content if Act Man focused solely on giving his opinions on legal issues surrounding video gaming like what Dr. Grande does.
For those that didn't know by the way, My name is Byf was one of the channels that got striked. He's a destiny lore channel, focused entirely on asking questions about the lore, summarizing complex parts of the lore, etc. One of the videos he posted that got striked was his MASSIVE project called "Dynasty." Which is a 2+ hour long animated project summarizing almost the entirety of the Hive's lore for the whole series from their inception to the current time. It was an incredibly long and arduous project that was struck literally the day it came out by Lord Nazo.
It is a fucking masterpiece, and deserves every view it can get. It was endorsed by Bungie themself, and was showcased multiple times during its development and after release. And that video was coming from a guy who doesnt ask for likes, doesn't ask for comments, doesn't ask for subscriptions. His final line in his videos is "And as always your viewership is just enough for me. And my name has been "My name is byf." Per Audacia Ad Astra. I'll see you starside." It's a fucking tragedy that Lord Nazo did that shit to him, because it cut out the most important day of his revenue for a project that took incredible time and effort to create, and deserved it all. And this little dickhead stole it from them because he was salty at a company that has nothing to do with Byf in the first place.
He deserves everything they give him.
Man im so glad bungie stepped in when they did. I don't watch byf ss much as i used to anymore, but his videos have always been entertaining and informative, and he puts so much work into them. It would have been tragic if byfs channel was deleted
And he had the nerve to say that "He just couldn't believe Bungie could do something like that to the community after all these years"
I love that you didn't let this past bullshyte get you down and are still putting out banger videos like nothing. Massive respect.
Glad to see you back uploading videos Act Man, I think I speak for everybody in saying we were all worried you wouldn't be able to come back.
Bungie's lawyer: we'd like to call a witness to the stand
*Master Chief walks in*
It would be chief from infinite so he would be in a wheelchair with bandages wrapped all around him with how badly 343 tortured his legacy
*Halo theme music starts playing*
The next witness is Zavala lmaooo
@@TheActMan wooo, I thought you were going to say, Finally it's here, than post a RUclips link, on an alt account. Crazy
The next witness is.... the witness
I can't belive a legal document was this entertaining, its like a mystery novel I love it 💀
And the killer self-confessed with a manifesto...
soo glad to see you making videos again man.
Dropping my like to support the channel. Great video, glad to have never lost you!
My God, Bungo's struggle with RUclips's appeal system is absolutely absurd. Really hope some reform comes from this lawsuit.
@Kuangai It's a nickname we in the Destiny community gave Bungie.
Your profile pic scares me
But then, wouldn't that make Lord Nazo a martyr? He would become the sacrificial lamb that got RUclips to change their strike policy. Idk, he did something illegal but at the same time I can't help but feel bad for them
@@apocryphal4878 can you tell me the history of calling them Bungo? You have me interested, lol.
@@MrJJandJim well one of the story states that in a twab’s had a typo and instead of saying bungie they said bungo and it stuck. I’ve also heard it was a typo from one of the devs on twitter. Either way it was from a typo someone at bungie made and it just stuck.
If Lord Nazo is found guilty in court, wouldn't that strengthen a future lawsuit against RUclips? It would be adding precedent to the legal record of the exact legal misbehavior people pull all the time here
@@malice5121 the problem is that the federal law regulating copyright requires google to comply with all requests to maintain their neutrality.
Federal copyright law needs to be fixed. its so broken.
@@malice5121 from a PR stance, Bungie can hit RUclips and Google HARD. I REALLY REALLY hope they go through with it and decide to take legal action against RUclips and Google. Only thing is, what was said behind close doors for Bungie to get the scammer’s information? Did they promise RUclips that they will not file a massive lawsuit against them if they comply? Who knows.
@@howardbaxter2514 You know back door deals were made.
@zeoxeo The laws aren’t messed up, they are issues that are resolved in court. This is why it says in the DMCA “under penalty of purgery”, RUclips isn’t going to charge people with purgery, and RUclips doesn’t have police, judges, abd jails.
The problem here is quantum is allowed to submit DMCA’s and if someone feels he is making false claims they need to take him to court. This is an issue that is resolved in court. RUclips doesn’t decide what is “fair use” RUclips doesn’t decide what is a false dmca.
I was glad that act man stood up for some smaller RUclipsrs, but because he didn’t understand the law he turned around, and made this quantum guy look like he was in the right, because thought this is a RUclips issue when it’s a legal issue that is decided by a judge. Act man came really close to grasping this, because he read the the DMCA, and he said “look you sign that you are submitting this in threat of perjury, if he would have made the logical leap that it’s a judge who determines if you commit perjury.
@charlie cow No it wouldn’t RUclips is doing what it’s supposed to. These are legal issues that are resolved in court. For RUclips to get in trouble they would need to do what you guys think they should do which is pretend they are the arbiter of what is fair use, or a false DMCA claim. If RUclips actually did these then they would get in legal trouble.
Let’s do a hypothetical that a person puts in a DMCA, now let’s say RUclips does what you guys think, and tells this person “that’s a false claim” and deletes their channel. Now this person goes to court, and the judge says “no this is theft of intellectual property” now RUclips can be sued for pretending they are a judge and acting like they determine what is fair use, or a false claim. They could also get in other trouble for pretending to be a judge who can charge someone with perjury.
Anyway i really wish people could understand this topic, because if act man had understood that this is a legal issue than he could have taken quantum tv to court, or understood RUclips isn’t going to do anything about it unless he did so instead of attacking RUclips act man could have continued to shine a light on quantum tv, and explained the law and why it’s not RUclipss place to decide what is fair use, or a false claim so if this quantum guy did this to someone else they would know they can take quantum to court for this.
For the first time ever in my life, I'm happy to see ads in a video. Glad things are better for you my guy.
Glad to have you back Act-bro~
He's screwed. I think almost every lawyer in the world would tell him to settle the case before it enters court. At least his insane act has highlighted issues with youtube copyright. Unfortunately it has cost him money he doesn't have
this is why he cant settle as he does not have the money to settle
He'll be lucky if he doesn't end up with jail time. RUclips and internet rubbish aside fraud is so serious
He’s not screwed any competent lawyer will simply put the blame on RUclips for having such a horrible copyright strike system. Then bungie will be forced to sue RUclips.
I want to be empathetic towards him on this, because yes, he is likely going to have his life ruined by it, but at the same time, he KNEW he was breaking the law maliciously and consistently, and was happy to ruin other people's lives and livelihoods over his little grudge. Copyright law is still law, and he was knowingly committing fraud at least 96 times and blaming everyone but himself for it, if anyone did this with any other kind of fraud, they'd be lucky to avoid spending a lot of time in jail. It is a bit harsh, but he did this to himself knowing what the consequences would be if he did finally get caught, and if Bungie don't make an example like this of him, it's going to convince other people it's ok to follow in Nazo's footsteps.
TLDR: yeah the whole system is fucked and it's sad his life is gonna be ruined by it, but it's his own fault and honestly he's getting off pretty light considering what he's actually done
@@Brantonellis there's no possible way he can weasel out of his crime with all the evidence bungie has, but he can certainly drag youtube and their broken copyright system into the cesspool he dug.
Reading this whole situation i feel like Google should get a lawsuit heading their way as well. There has something they can be legally blamed for in this situation and hopefully, that would hit their bottom line enough to make it less costly to finally update their copyright system.
"there has to be something they can be legally blamed for in this situation" lmfao google isnt at fault
@@serfaI How so? And the way you phrased that comment makes it seem you didn't read the comment above or understand the implications behind it.
@@serfaI they made ISP responsible for their customers downloading so the courts could 100% say google is at fault being the owner and controller of the site
@@serfaI Google is at fault here their system is broken and doesn't work as intended they know it but don't bother to fix it or do anything about it.
@@serfaI can't tell if you're joking or not, but google is absolutely at fault. all it took for this guy to impersonate a CSC agent representing Bungie was stating that he was one (which he was not), and providing minimum contact info. their system for countering these copyright claims or even disputing actually fraudulent ones is unreliable and convoluted. furthermore, the system is set up so poorly that it enables people to commit fraud and get away with it. easily. it enables people to break a law that can even potentially be charged as a felony. all of this is stated in the video. did you even watch or listen to it?
Great Job! Glad to see you back at it again.
Love to see you back my guy
Wasn’t expecting that, a lawsuit involving a game company that isn’t about sexual harassment?
lmaoooo
"He caused this massive war and then everyone's like: 'wait, why are we fighting? This is the guy who did everything.'"
This line literally reminded me of Makarov from Modern Warfare 2 and 3 lmao
palpatine be like
He was literally Palpatine. I almost feel respect for him, I gotta be honest.
@@alexsilva28 Nah man, because Palpatine did it well, and didn't try to act like it was all a big gambit for the greater good. This guy is a genuine little shit, and I don't think it's physically possible to have less respect for him than I currenly do.
keep it up act man I am glad to see you back
that something like this could even happen. Also, thanks for bringing light to our struggles Act Man!
I think RUclips should be part of this lawsuit too. Look at how easy this was to take advantage of this broken system. This was incompetence on RUclips's part and it's been going on for years. I think they share responsibility.
Really though, you going to crush the small guy, but you're going to let the folks who enabled this to happen to start with be un scathed?
Them being part of the same suit would probably just complicate things. I have a hard time imagining there being any good achieved in lumping together two suits in one.
@@PhyreI3ird true, plus, i suppose a suit against google would be an immense challenge.
@@coolestgamenerd it would, there's currently no penalty for the way RUclips does DMCA enforcement it's a fundamentally broken process legally where they don't HAVE to make you confirm you have those rights it's all on those affected to fight back, a requirement that is cost prohibitive for the majority of us.
God, the lawsuit really is written well. You can practically feel the (legitimate) salt.
Best part about being salty is when you wound the opposition you've got everything you need to make it smart like a mf'er.
It's even funny when they roast Nazo
This is a great way of commenting about "he who should not be named" without actually naming him, kudos! Glad to see you back!
Glad your back buddy :) keep making content will be here
I just noticed that The Act Man is now reaching the top 10 trending in gaming and I feel like no one else on the platform deserves that feat more than him. Been here since 500k and I'm really happy to see how good this channel is doing.
Except for the other top 9 you mean
It sucks that he’s focussing so much on beef with other RUclipsrs and drama like this. His reviews are the best but I guess this trash is easy money.
@@TheWayBesst I think after the threat of losing his channel, and just getting his monetization back, he’s done beefing with RUclips. Also towards the end of the beef with Quantum, he started to shoot himself in the foot a lot. There’s a video by Griffin Gaming that goes over the whole drama situation.
@@TheWayBesst This isn't "trash". Are you delusional? The fact that this highlights how bad the youtube copyright system is, the company that he basically works for, is really important. No RUclipsrs livelihood should be able to get thanos-snapped out of existence by some random person hiding behind a screen. He's doing everyone on youtube a favor, by shedding more light on the subject. When even huge companies struggle, it puts into perspective how utterly atrocious it is for the common man just doing it as a hobby or even worse, as their main source of income. It takes a lot of time and money to move things to court, and if you had to do it, even once, would you do it?
He deserves it!
It's really only going to take a company suing YT for their bad copyright claim system to get YT to fix it.
The fact Bungie had to Subpoena YT to get information on who this guy was is major red flags.
@@foxinsocks7531 are you serious? If someone gets a copyright strike and wants to resolve it, the "victim" needs to give out their full name and contact info.
Why isn't it fair that the party making the strike should have to do the same?
@@foxinsocks7531 the point would be to disallow randos from getting control of your account and to let artists, content creators and small or large businesses who run on YT to ask for clarification on who is attacking their channels dude.
No ones asking for them to give out information they're asking you to validate that you're the owner and not a dude pretending to be a business to strike people. It's like identify theft 101 to have verification...
@@foxinsocks7531 I gotta give you some respect for just straight up saying you were wrong.
@@phosphatepod same
@@foxinsocks7531 wow
I m amazed you accepted that you're wrong.
Most people just start a essay of how they're still right.
Good to have you back Act Man
Glad to see you back on youtube!
Also - I think that was the best Raycon sponsor i've ever seen
Literally any lawsuit based around copyright: 'exists'
The Act Attorney: 'Bonjour'
i thought that said ace attorney
@@freecreditreport.combaby thats interesting information
@@freecreditreport.combaby Can't blame ya They are pretty much the same when it comes to pronouncing it
He was actually pretty smart, just not savvy enough to know how to hide himself, which is really scary. If someone does what he did, but knew how to cover their tracks then they could get away with fraud no questions asked.
That’s what I’m saying when I say ‘savvy’. What I mean by smart is how he manipulated the situation for his own gain in order to get his videos reinstated and painting himself as a victim. He just didn’t have the tools or the smarts to get out of it undetected.
@@deadbay5199 Unironically, something tells me he thought that with how asinine RUclips is in their systems, he thought it's so bad that he'd get away with it due to how awful it is. Just a hunch. Though if it's true, it worked... For a while. It wasn't until Bungie dragged Google to court to disclose the identity of the dude.
Keep in mind, he was one barely competent individual. Dozens of intelligent copycats could bring RUclips to its knees.
@Russell White Hate to break it to you, but VPNs don't cover your tracks when you commit a crime. VPNs have to legally give up their data to the government. Everything you do on a VPN goes through a VPN server. But that doesn't make what you do untraceable. Any government investigation will simply result in the government asking for info on X IP who did this on whatever website / server during whatever time, and boom, they trace back the original IP. Usually it is actually simpler, and the government can have direct access to VPN servers (but that's widely speculation since a VPN company would never share something like that).
You can think of a VPN like this. Instead of you going through your Internet Service Provider to browse the internet, you go through the VPN. And while that can make it difficult for a layman to track you, the government has all of the tools to know everything.
Yeah it does and you can make your own VPN idiot. You could also do all of this at a remote location using a throwaway phone with internet.
Fascinating - saw the headline but didn't really look into it. Loved the legal doc walkthrough.
Happy to see you back bra,
This is one of those strange times in history where I am rooting *for* a multi-billion dollar company to actually win a lawsuit.
They are in the right though. Multi-billion dollar companies or not, right is right.
@@wormsblink2887 Thats why he is rooting for them
@@wormsblink2887 we're all well aware Bungie is in the legal right here.
Op is saying he rarely roots for the multi billion dollar corporation is all.
And quite frankly it makes perfect sense
What strange times we live in. XD
Hopefully this situation causes RUclips to FINALY do something about their strike systems so people can't abuse them anymore. Looking at you, QTV...
>removes the dislike button to "stop brigading"
One day someone's gonna straight up sue RUclips (i mean,if someone hasnt already)
Won't happen
@@tayioooou we can only hope we can only hope
haha, good optimistic thinking. Y'all forget h3h3 already?
Been waiting on bated breath to see you back brother. And with such engagingly good content to boot! Welcome back yo.👍
this was actually interesting to listen to, who could've thought going over a law document like this could be fun lol.
Imagine the defense for this in court
"Your honor, my client pleads insanity, the "voice in his head" told him to."
"Your honor, my client is just built different."
@@calibula95 "your honor, he was just trolling"
@@MadWatcher "your honor, he did it for the vine."
"What do you mean there was no evidence, my client clearly said he was deadass"
@@The_Con_Man. "your honor, it was just a prank"
Fun little side note: There is also evidence that Lord Nazo used Cheat-Software in Destiny 2
Bungie was able to connect his IP-adress to a Website which sold Cheats
Love knowing you havent had to leave youtube, fantastic channel
Love to see you back
CSC: ”Hey RUclips we’re dealing with an person impersonating as us and taking down videos claiming we did it using a fake email, can you reinstate the videos?”
RUclips: “Sure thing champ! Just use the official email to confirm reinstatement :)”
*CSC uses an official email and fails*
RUclips: “Sorry! To reinstate you need to use the same email that issued the claims!”
RUclips has the 2nd step in the equation right, as making sure an official email used to retract an claim is good so make them have to reuse the same official email, but it’s only good if step 1 works. And which step 1 is to make sure the email used to file the copyright infringement claim in first place is actually from an official email and not a fake one. It’s such an obvious flaw in the security system.
Edit: I feel like my last piece was but inadequate so if you’re curious they’re two fellows have some brighter ideas than me
Even that is sort of stupid; my company goes through email addresses like crazy, as every employee gets their own. There should be, as Act Man said, a direct line of communication between RUclips and any company authorized to issue copywrite strikes, who should be logged by YT.
See, what they need to do is have a list of authorized emails or names which can make claims on behalf if a copyright holder, as well as a secondary password to verify they represent the holder. If the email that makes the original claim doesn't match those on the list of authorized representatives, or if they don't enter the correct password, the claim gets ignored.
Bungie just started another suit on a guy who threatened the lives of workers and hacked in games and was an overall ass to others. You should try to cover this case because he (allegedly) is being fined for every PVP match he played with cheats on, across multiple accounts.
That dude got fucking obliterated lmao
You fuck with the bungo, you go to the shadow realm
Man, I hope the PR departments of other companies pay attention to this. Do public things that support your community? People value that. More companies taking the view of brand value building Bungie has shown here (in the document) would be a win for both sides.
@@Sorain1 yeah, for all of bungo's faults, they've always made sure anyone who tried this kind of stuff learn their lesson.
0:24 why did this Zavala bit catch me so off guard lmfao i love this editing.
Great video. Also this is the first video of yours I'm watching since I found you through Rich's coverage of "the great tickling".
Overall, my moral line for copyright protection and piracy is "If you can legally obtain it from the copyright holders, you should do so. If not, that's their problem."
This is beautiful. After everything with Quantum and now this, RUclips has no choice but to address the broken copyright system.
I hate to say it but RUclips don't give a fuck about you however now it's effecting their advertisers. There are a lot of Destiny 2 ads and a precedent of RUclips screwing over the people that give them money isn't something they want.
But if they open that door, then we can go after the big corporations who are abusing the copyright system. RUclips is stuck between a rock and a hard place and it's awesome
ReviewTechUSA did a video on this. They're updating their copyright stuff.
theyve did it to themselves. theyve automated themselves into soo many messes and they clearly dont have enough human staff to put out the fires before real damage is done. maybe they shouldnt leave gas cans everywhere that say “DO NOT IGNITE” but with no consequences 90% of the time if they do, because lets be honest. nobody is taking anybody to court except in extreme cases like this, because it costs alot of money and most of us are “judgement proof” ( worth little or nothing so theres no money to be regained even if you get a favorable ruling). if you want to see how difficult it is to deal with copyright trolls in the legal system, look up malibu medias saga by the lawful masses. pretty much all of copyright law is broken tbh.
He was like Palpatine, fighting on both sides and then trying to prove that the jedi were useless by unveiled he was behind it all, the community (Anakin), YT (the Jedi Council) and Bungie (the Senate) all destroyed Palpatine. It's a weird twist with what actually happened in SW.
So if Anakin was smart
I’d say Bungie was Anakin since they were the one fighting him and in the journey they had to fight The Jedi (RUclips) with The Senate (Community) watching while also being manipulated in the process
Bungie is Palpatine. This guy is more like Anakin.
Ok consoomer
@@pino4860 Bungie is nothing like Palpatine have you been listening to any of this
bro im impressed
thanks for covering this
Wow this was so Bizarre. Thanks Act Man 👉
It’s so good to have you back, Acting Male! Hope you and Bungie keep fighting the good fight against copyright abuse!
@The Act Man 🅥 stop being cringe
If RUclips fixed the copyright system due to the pressure from Bungie, would he the villain who started it become the hero? Is sacrificing many innocents to _incidentally_ make the world a better place a heroic thing to do?
@@ultimaxkom8728 sometimes, it takes a tragedy to make a miracle
@@Isupportthecompletionist That's a good point. I like that.
The fact that there suing him for 7 million dollars is actually hilarious lol Bungie is going to win this lawsuit no question.
The fact that they are actually in the right is crazy too. Bungie will always be a great company, I just wish they continued to sue RUclips.
The number 7 is kinda bungie’s thing, so, makes sense.
@@M1DA5_ true.
@@speedycheese790 They make meh games but at least don't sue without a reason
@@goldenhorse4823 Their entire catalogue of halo games were amazing. And they are pretty loyal and respectful to their fans.
Happy that you're back
Love how this is just proving even more that YTs copyright system absolutely sucks
I think Nintendo should create their own music channel on RUclips and release their entire music log officially.
It would gain them so much viewers, attention, and money.
This is crazy. This man is about to be in more debt than an American College student. Glad to see you back tho Act man
As a History Major.... this shall go down in the internet history text books
Hey man I only got about a third of 100,000 to go :D
Man decided to speed run student debt
i think the most important part here is missing - HOW OLD WAS THE DUDE?
i'm not even talking about 'legal age', but more of the maturity. many of us grew in the early internet, and many of us have done stupid ass shit on the internet regarding software/intelectual propery - just like here, it all started with guy uploading soundtrack... for all us. he crossed many lines, but i would perceive what happened after differently depending on his age - was he 13 or 35?
i don't know about america, but in europe he definietly won't be in debt for the rest of his life, and if he was rather clear person before, not much is going to happen to him.
you can sue for millions, but it doesn't mean you will ever get 1% of that money. it will be a major lesson to the guy, and major inconvience for couple of years.
@@SINfromPL Seems to me that in Europe, you get far more protections than we do. In the US, if you find yourself on the wrong end of a law suit you are basically fucked. You kinda have to already have the funds available to be able to properly protect yourself. Also, the "age vs. maturity" debate doesn't really apply as much as you think. If you do something wrong, particularly illegal, you face the consequences. Making dumb decisions leads to lives being ruined on a daily basis in the USA.
Glad your back man