The Atheist Experience 739 with Matt Dillahunty and Martin Wagner
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- The Atheist Experience 739 for December 11, 2011 with Matt Dillahunty and Martin Wagner take viewer calls.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:35- Intro & Announcements - Matt Dillahunty
6:24- William (atheist): claims to be a devout atheist, suffering discrimination for atheism
16:23- Mike: asks about episode 714 and theistic efforts to ban abortion
24:17- Joe (atheist): atheists taking things on faith
31:28- Don (caller from previous week): are some theological arguments more reasonable than others, the kalam cosmological argument
51:40- Jorge (atheist): how to approach members of the LDS church
57:19- Tyler: have aliens visited the earth?
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I just love that you guys know your opponent's arguments better than they do.
Cheers!
Thanks for this and thanks for allowing comments !!!
Thanks for the upload guys. Long live atheist experience tv show!
"He's really good at lying to his dad" lmao matt.
Wow, what a great episode... Matt as always but this is the first show I've seen with Mark...he's fantastic!
On my marathon to watch every episode of Matt Dillahunty!
On my marathon to watch every episode of AXP.
Thanks for the great show, it's sometimes entertaining but also educative to listen to. These guys have done their research! :)
"That scary, tingling feeling between [your] ears. That's called 'Thinking'"-Martin Wagner
"If you want to know about religion just ask an atheist." Sadly that quote is quite true. I enjoy your show quite a bit and hope you'll continue for a long time.
so depressed about hitchens, my favorite debater. still happy to know harris dawkins fry, and atheist experience are still going strong
In a study that was conducted by the University of Chicago, a link was found between non-religious upbringing and kindness. In fact, children who were raised without religion were not only kinder but also showed more empathy towards others. While most would believe that religion and a higher power breeds a better upbringing, this study seems to indicate otherwise. Led by Professor Jean Decety looked into the perceptions and behavior of various children located in six different countries. They looked into the children’s likeliness to share, as well as their habits regarding judging others or punishing them for bad behavior. “Overall, our findings … contradict the commonsense and popular assumption that children from religious households are more altruistic and kind towards others,” “More generally, they call into question whether religion is vital for moral development, supporting the idea that secularization of moral discourse will not reduce human kindness - in fact, it will do just the opposite
'Before the big bang' is a bit like saying 'Walk to the North Pole, and when you get there walk another couple of miles north'.
Caller Don has a spaghetti bowl of various religious dogmas running around his brain. Only the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Pasta be upon Him) can save him.
"He just wanted a discussion."
No, he just wanted to waffle. If he wanted a discussion he would have come armed with knowledge, not half remembered conjecture from an argument we know has already been refuted.
this definitely should get more views !
nice summary for the last caller there, ha.
Um, not the most relevant comment, but I didn't even recognize Martin with his beard. Looks good!
I was actually thinking that Martin was rocking the beard.
Looks like he lost a little weight too.
i see christmas as a holiday in which you can enjoy your family and buy friends and family presents to show how much you appreciate them. that is it =]
To Don from Houston: A god that can not change is inert and can not create. It can not reason. It can not think.
I was kicked out of sunday school when I was about 10 years old because I said some things didn't make sense that they were teaching us. Nothing proves that they are wrong more than their willingness to kick out anyone who questions anything.
Happy Nonspecific Winter Celebration Time Period, to everyone at the Atheist Experience!
"You ready, Martin? We're gonna shotgun these calls!" LOL!
Awesome first caller
Same story as first caller. Great caller
hey. ty for uploading this show. i live in maine and im addicted lol. go go freedom to think.
To anyone who is curious,
The reason the first cause must necessarily be a 'being' ( at least according to the kalam cosmological argument) is because a non-being first cause would be subject to infinite regression where as a being could "choose" to create. But this just shows one of the many flaws in the argument as a being "choosing" to create contradicts it's changeless/timeless nature, which it must necessarily have to exist before space-time.
On the issue of personal experience, I would suggest a video by the RUclips user KnownNoMore called "Against Religious Experience (Why Religious Apologists Cannot Possibly Win- part 3)." It is an excellent discussion of the topic. 祝你們生活順心.
There is more pressure put on the women to do birth control there is less pressure on men to force them into taking responsibility too. Merely using a condom is not sufficient they can break or leak. What I propose if the men should have a vasectomy until such time as the couple really wants to have children. Then when you are ready to have children have a reversal of the vasectomy and in turn have the number of children you want then have another vasectomy and do your part to keep from getting a women pregnant. A lot of unnecessary births can be avoided and yes this is what I did. We have two children, one girl, one boy.
7:50
de·vout/diˈvout/
Adjective:
1 Having or showing deep religious feeling or commitment.
2 Totally committed to a cause or belief.
First caller sounds remarkebly like myself, good on him!
Kurt Cameron was preaching to hit cohosts when he was on tv as a kid, he was never a "devout" atheist at anytime that he had the ability to make his own decisions about things.
Great look Martin!
Brining Philosophy to questions of Scientific Fact is even less effective than bringing a toothpick to a Tank Battle.
Matt with a Star Trek costume and his Ewok friend.
😂
I did not recognize Wagner here. Great improvement, sir!
Penn Jilett(mid in his teens) got uninvited from Sunday school too.
Don't get me wrong, I respect Martin, but he interrupts callers (and his co-hosts) quite often with unnecessary and sometimes inaudible comments that add nothing to the conversation. Don Baker and Tracie Harris are guilty of doing the same thing. Matt is the star of this show for good reason. Not only does Matt make the most articulate arguments, he's also good at listening and his interruptions are perfectly timed.
I'm going to have to quote you from now on Matt :-)
"Faith is a divide by zero error!"
Either all days are holy or none are.
How about this one? "I'm a card carrying Atheist" instead of the word devout.
The one thing all my army buddies tell me is that "in the army, we defend freedom and liberty, not practice it."
Lot's of callers! Awesome makes me more likely to actually give a call-in! Thanks again for an awesome show and good to see Martin again!
XMass doesn't mean a secular version of the holiday. It's amazing how many people don't know this.
@BeekersSqueakers In order for this being to be both a creator and timeless/changeless one must conclude that said being is and always has been creating which means that whatever is being created (the universe) must have always been created making it eternal along side the creator, and thus defeating the entire premise of the argument. That doesn't even begin to delve into how non-physical beings can, not only exist, but manipulate physical reality.
I am an Atheist all the way. I was talking to a co-worker the other day and I had to admit that I would rather allow my Daughter (all things equal) to date a devout Christian rather than an Atheist. I was raised Catholic, then a Baptist then a Southern Baptist, but Atheist for 6 years. I have a problem wrapping my head around this idea. If anyone could comment with credible thoughts on this, I would like to know why...
I was walking to work in San Francisco and I swear i saw Matt Dillahunty arguing with one of those crazy people who hold a giant sign and a megaphone telling people they are going to hell while he was waiting in line for the trolley. I wanted to hug him but I wasn't sure it was him. In retrospect I should have done it anyways.
@theatheistexperience Not all science journals are public, or necessarily readily available. When I was looking for some papers on the physiology of dreaming, some of the journals required some kind of membership. The Lancet, for example, requires membership, which in their case was free. I would often find just the abstracts were public, and the rest only available to students or teachers.
Yep. That's me.
My own view, I am opposed to Abortion, but I don't believe we have the right to make that decision for everyone. But I am also for education on prevention as we know abstinence does not work.
@JuzBecause I watch every episode every week that it is actually on, but the fun is the responses to the characters that call in...they have some pretty funny people calling in every week.
Martin Wagner and Dennis Loubet sound exactly the same!
@TFR2087 Actually starts at 1:20 if you want to hear the good discussion of christmas/holidays..
P1 Finite things need an infinite cause
P2 Infinite regress is infinite
C Infinite regress is the cause of finite things.
Wow look at the awesome validity of that argument
Holy Shit, I thought there was a new addition to TAE at first, then I realized it was Martin LOL
@AtheistOnTheEdge ,
Hm that's an interesting take. (a) I think Matt and Martin were the ones pushing for an actual argument instead of talking about manners; (b) Matt and Martin said clearly, several different ways, that the points and conclusions of the Kalam argument (and the arguments of the caller) were unfounded. ("how do you get a conscious being?", etc).
11:32 ish
I was in the Military.
To this day instead of saying the Pledge of Alligence I recite my Oath as a Soldier...an Oath many of my fellow soldiers signed on thier contracts and moved on without thinking about to hard I think. Personaly, I beleive it should replace teh Pldge all together...
"I swear to protect the Constitution against all threats both foreign and domestic"
I asked "why did god make dinosaurs, and why does nobody in church ever talk about them?" and my visits to catholic school came to an abrupt end
@Rationalific you could fit another 10 calls into the show if people would get to the point quicker like matt does with the last calls.
For me the Yule is not religious, just a nice time with family, to relax and have a good time.
Wow, that was frustrating.
They didn't address the equivocation fallacy and intuition of the kalam argument
Dan Patrick doesn't actually care about the "potential people" that are dying due to abortion because he does not work on a way to provide for them before they die, or help prevent unwanted pregnancy in the first place. That's a fact.
I'd love to see Matt debate William Lane Craig..
First caller 06:25 thumbs up for time saving.
What's wrong with just saying "I'm an Atheist"?
Matt is the man!
As an ex Jehovah's Witness, they won't kick you out for asking questions, but you can be labeled spiritually weak and then avoided as "bad association" --though, that doesn't exactly happen to 8 yr-olds. However, I was one of those labeled and avoided for my questionings. I was in my early 20's.
Woah... dat Martin. I didn't recognise him until I read the name displayed under him.
Use the word Jul. We do in Scandinavia.
Saying : "the universe is finite" is a statement of belief. We have a perception of a finite part of the universe (because regarding to our models, for instance, we can't observe beyond the constant of Planck, but we don't know about the universe as "everything that exists". We don't know if there is a time 0. We don't know if there was or not, a singularity beyond witch our universe contracted before expanding in what we call the big bang. We simply don't know.
sure, he 'existed' in minds.
but not outside of them,
i agree about the turture.
My understanding is that the word 'devout' shares the same root as the word 'devotion', and describes a commitment to a proposition or an assertion. As atheists, we're not making an assertion of our own, we're simply dismissing an assertion on the basis of lack of evidence. You can be a devout nihilist (someone who makes the assertion that there is no god).
Martin slimmed down like crazy! Lost a lot of weight for sure. good for him
scruff looks good martin!
Also, lots of awesome food.
Re the Kalam, and Martins point about "beginning to exist". I think WLC craig says that anything purely mechanical (as opposed to something conscious, which he thinks is not mechanical) can not have been the cause of the universe as anything mechanical could not have acted after an infinite amount of time. So therefore the cause was conscious. This assumes some kind of time before the big bang, and that our universe has not happened an infinite number of times already. So maybe I misunderstood.
56:35 best line ever: "Ah! Suddenly reason has occupied my brain."
I think it'd be interesting to see a string of popular atheist RUclipsrs co-host the show. Dusty Smith, Zaunstar, & Wildwoodclaire1 come to mind for example.
If a god is changeless and "outside of time" it cannot create anything for two reasons:
1) Without time, no decisions are possible. Decision making is necessarily a function of time. There has to be a time/space event point "A" which the being chooses to do something at a point "B". Without duration (time) this is not possible.
2) Making a decision is a change in mental state, thus a "changeless" thing cannot make this change in it's mental state.
ah, you're right, I got carried away :-)
Martin's looking pretty good! Haven't seen him in a while. And I mean literally, because I usually listen to the podcast.
"A finite thing cannot bring about a finite thing."
So what can a finite thing create? Is not your favorite movie finite? Are movie producers infinite beings?
I have to agree a little that it is depressing, because we're simply overconsuming and filling our needs with stuff that we don't need.
yea well nevermind, just something to think about, that's just why I don't think its such a good idea.
@dave4shmups "Correcting" someone by saying that their statement doesn't match an ancient document is not peer review. It's not even fact-checking. It's just ensuring a kind of consistency.
Matt was totally justified in calling don a douchebag in the last show.
I feel so bad for Matt's co-host every time someone calls in and praises Matt.
new Atheist experience...looks like I'm gonna lose sleep tonight
13:33 They kicked a kid out of church for asking questions?
Luke 2:46-47 "After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers."
Jesus at 12
O.o
Hard to answer a question if you don't have a lig anwser, especially if you can't simply say "Gee, I don't know.
If it is conscious it can't be changeless, because a changeless mind doesn't work... Also a mind with desires that exists forever does not work either. Minds only work within time since information has to pass, and thus time only allows information to pass through the mind. So it can't be timeless, it can't be changeless, and it has desires (creating the universe). That means If it is at least infinite - creating requires a point in time and why this and not any time before or after...
they gave the 1st caller 10minutes of airtime. his question should have been answered in 30 seconds. a half of his call was spent glorifying matt and his son
Hey Matt, how did you get Varg Vikernes as your co-host?
Matt's chewing tobacco and spitting in the silver cup. LMAO
It's June 2024 now...
This conversation is more relevant now, than it was then.
It's unbelievable what has and is happening in America today.
America has turned the clock back 200 years, since an Orange Lunatic
Emerged from the swamp.
I enjoy a good solstice as much as the next person...
@southmcl Thank you! =D
I was kicked out for asking about dinosaurs and the age of the earth
If there is no such thing as trolls, then how do you explain all the dead unicorns?
6:25 for callers
Now that Christopher Hitchens has died, I'm sure many theists will be saying "now he will meet god and have to answer for himself and his atheism"
And I'll just say "You may be right. And if you are right, then god better be scared shitless for what's coming his way".