"I am no longer willing to believe something because it simply feels right, or feels good because I understand that I can be fooled, and I can be wrong. I need to take the steps to find out what the actual answer is, and if I am unable to find the answer I am in a position of "I don't know". I am NOT justified in my claiming my lack of understanding, or my inability to find a better answer justifies any kind of supernatural explanation, or one that just seems to "fit"." Matt Dillahunty
Christopher Harper Ah. Plussed you. Thought it was your statement. Then got to the point in the vid where Matt said it. But you may keep the plus for your transcription. Well, 80% of it. I'm docking you two tenths for not using quotation marks and leaving the attribution at just "MD". But, rounding up: still 1.0 thumbs.
Christopher Harper Hi Chris. Thanks for taking that well. I too love language and playing with it. Words...those that exist and others I make up. Not sure what you meant by the cross reference. Or "lifting" language.
Christopher Harper Hi again Chris. Don't sweat this. Just mentioning it cuz I'm getting odd input. I don't note any substantive change in the OP. And, though I see your second reply (and all my comments), your first comment has vanished. As I said, don't sweat it. Just go forth and be awesome. Ciao
Yeah, that is because I thought you were still commenting on my other comment about "Fire". lol I had just woke up and it took me a bit to sort that this was a completely different comment.
@imation879 "Josephus Flavius, the Jewish historian, lived as the earliest non-Christian who mentions a Jesus. Although many scholars think that Josephus' short accounts of Jesus (in Antiquities) came from interpolations perpetrated by a later Church father (most likely, Eusebius), Josephus' birth in 37 C.E., puts him out of range of an eyewitness account. Moreover, he wrote Antiquities in 93 C.E., after the first gospels got written! Therefore his information could only serve as hearsay."
To be a Christian who also believed he had a vision that was true, Clint is very open minded, I think. Because someone in his position would very often be a hardcore believer, but he didn't let what appeared to be true outweigh tons of physical evidence. So bravo to Clint for being a logical thinker.
You did finally answer his question about "what difference does my belief actually make". The biggest problem with believing in a religion is the loss of self. The next biggest problem is the justification for evil deeds that can be done without good reason.
Hopefully Matt and Jen's sacrifice by withstanding the "waste of time" harm of Jonathan will help other people realize that rational thought is imperative for a peaceful sane world.
I honestly can't believe the patience Matt and Jen demonstrated with the second guy... I mean he wasn't being disrespectful in any way, but surely they didn't need to waste half the show on him when it was painfully obvious that he clearly wasn't able to see the pointlessness in trying to justify a belief in something unfalsifiable... But good on them for being really good sports and incredibly respectful.
@thenakedatheist hey. You mentioned about believing in afterlife might make one value this life less - I am severely disabled and have brain damage. I am newly atheist, but when I was Christian I was told I would have a fully working body in heaven, and I neglected the body I have now, even in its disabled state. I had been told I was stupid and didn't have much to look forward to. Now I am studying at open university, and every moment is precious despite the pain. Christianity diminished me, a
I appreciate that you guys spent the time to discuss with the one caller who is questioning his own beliefs. I feel like a lot of people start to see pain points in where they were raised and begin to have their own questions and reactions and it's often good to just try to understand where they are coming from. I hope the gentleman caller continues to search for answers wherever they might be.
My son was ten he said to me, ''How did Adam and Eve learn to walk and eat and stuff like that?''. ''It's sad they was never children and never played too'', so you learn that stuff when we are little that's weird''. I don't think my Son ever truly believed in the fairytale God.
First caller. Good point. "Blessing" food (saying grace) made no sense to him. "People...maybe Christian, maybe atheist or Hindu...developed the seeds. "People...maybe Jewish, maybe Sikh...grew those seeds into plants. "People...maybe Mormon, maybe Scientologist...raised the cattle, etc. "...packaged and butchered... "...transported...stored...sold...cooked... "...and I traded some of the money I earned through my own effort & expertise to buy it... "so thank you God, for "providing" this food for our use" I see a lot of people in that process. And I see God nowhere in it. "God helps those who help themselves". So...eliminate the middleman.
+Bruce Baker it's about humility before nature and realizing how fragile is civilization. your words are those of a fat westerner who has never lived through war, siege or famine. what's worse he has no intrinsic connection to his ancestors' experience, who have. also, Jewish farmers, yeah right.
There is SO much ground that needs to be covered in each call, each theistic caller demanding their own 'reasoning' to understand an atheist mindset. I'm enthralled by what gets discussed on this show and only wish that it were longer / more regular. Good job guys +1 for reason and oranges alike.
oh dear... I've gone through most of my life believing Im not particularly intellegent but frankly I don't think I've given myself enough credit... thanks for the show
The first time a company tries to discriminate against their employees due to their religious beliefs, the law will be overturned. One thing about America is that your medical records are NO ONE'S BUSINESS but yours, your doctor's, and your insurance company. In fact, the only way I believe you can gain access to someone's medical records is through a subpoena, and I doubt any judge would actually sign a subpoena so a company can see if their employee is using birth control.
One of the biggest indicators as to how empathetic we are as a species, IMO, is our eyes. If you compare our eyes to the eyes of almost every other animal, what stands out? The whites of our eyes. Those things really draw your attention. In most animals, having dark eyes allows them to hide better. The fact that humans have white eyes is a huge indicator that social selection has overcome any predatory selection. It is vastly important to our genetic reproduction that we are able to spot other humans instantly, see where they are looking, read their emotions, and so on. This carries beyond eyes to facial expressions and body language as well, but is less obvious than the eye. We are very attuned to each other. We read each other for intent and emotions so much that we don't even think about it. This knowledge just forms in our brains with hardly any effort. Since it all happens without (much) conscious effort, people attribute this ability to supernatural sources, but it really is just human nature.
jonathan has created a "god" he can keep safe in a vault, forever protected against investigation by pesky skeptics, all because he also wants to believe in life after death, which he keeps in the same vault. all because jonathan cannot tolerate doubt.
Thank you guys for the responses, I respect science & am very fascinated by all new discoveries, progressions made, & how anatomy works as well. To ME, with all due respect, Atheism is another type of belief system. From observations, I can see that any belief system consists of truth finding & ultimately boils down to the conditioning of what that person interjects & retains in their metal aspect & in turn will disavows any outside conjectures. "we are never wrong" in our own mind set.
If I can convince myself that we can never truly know whether alcoholism is harmful, I can continue binge drinking because it feels good to me. That’s your logic, Jonathan.
I've been watching the last couple of AEs to see if they were going to touch on some of the religious/political craziness (esp the contraception issue) ongoing in the current election season. I'd like to hear an open atheist discuss these issues on the MSM but they seem to be in short supply. Glad to see Matt and Jen decided to cover it.
The simplest and most logical solution to the objections some businesses have toward paying health care insurance is to replace health insurance with a national health service. The U.S. is the only industrial nation that has no national health service.
Don't imprison yourself with labels. Remember, just because something is true does not make it more valued or better, those are subjective labels. It is as it is, absolutes have nothing to do with positive or negative, unless perceived through social, cultural, scientific, religious, humanistic or any other anthropomorphic scope. Condescension is a turbulent tightrope.
The government DOES direct how I do my job. There are specifications I need to follow, there are legal standards for the materials I work with, and there are a bunch of OSEH guidelines I need to legally obey for safety reasons. Contraception is a prescription medication that treats medical conditions on top of preventing pregnancy. What if an employee had lupus and the employer decided for some arbitrary reason not to cover that particular treatment?
@TheAtheistExperience The moment Clint said he was studying chiropracty, I expected the woo that followed - and I wasn't disappointed: Matter isn't matter but is really energy, vibes, etc. Woo, woo,WOO. I'm surprised Matt didn't catch on to that but let him go on preaching for so long.
Jen at the end asking "What's hopeful about that?" - this is just hypnotic but so true. I hate when the caller lost and never replied to that question.
In regards to Jonathan, why is Matt using logic and reason to what is obviously an emotional appeal? Logic and reason do not work because emotions are inherently illogical.
I was having hard time to grasp the concept that Matt has been saying: "Do you care whether the things you believe are true?" So when the answer is "Yes" I think that the second question should be something like "How do you know that your beliefs are true?" - at least this way it will lead to a meaningful conversation.
I think even without knowing the details of Jonathan's life, it wouldn't be unfair to suggest that his belief in an afterlife will likely cause him to value this life less. Of course he'd probably say "you don't know my life" if this were pointed out to him, but I think we know enough about human nature to make that assertion without having to know the details of his life specifically.
@robinvan1983 Yes, I've purchased individual health insurance. Look up the definition. "Insurance" is meant to protect the insured against the UNexpected. Unless there is an unexpected medical need for contraception, such a provision can not be construed as insurance. Socialized medical care is merely another program to forcibly distribute wealth. Insurance is rational. Socialized medical care is irrational.
Theories hold an exalted place within science. In science, for an idea to reach the status of theory (not just hypothesis), it must go through a prohibitively rigorous examination by a whole community of scientists whose job it is to DISPROVE the idea. If an idea has gone through this lengthy process and still holds up, it reaches the exalted status of "scientific theory." Scientific theories make predictions that can be shown to be true through observation and evidence.
@abamguy I don't understand the skeptic's thing against chiropractors. I go to one regularly, and it always makes me feel better. It re-aligns your spine and stuff.
@JJLatBIM you do know that viagra is in the basic insurance program right? Definitions of a word don't really reflect insurance packages... so i am guessing you never been insured... otherwise you know that there are coverings in those insurances that you won't get.
I understand that, matter is not energy (because of massless particles), you misread what I wrote, BUT MASS and ENERGY are a different manifestation of the same thing. You said :"This does not mean that there is more matter when the mass increases due to velocity, just more mass". I totally AGREE with that, I know that, it's easy to understand. So far we agree on the same things you just misunderstood me. My question is: do you know why massless particles are not consider matter.
Idea for a commercial. A kid goes to high school for the first time. He's walking down the hall and he's passing by a group of other kids huddled in the corner. One of the kids from the group says "Hey, hey you" and motions for him to come over. The kid, wanting to make friends joins the group. The kid who called him over says "Hey dude, you want one?" and the camera pans in, and they've all got a bible in their hands. The original kid just smiles, says no and walks away. "Religion. Just say no"
Just for clarification, scientific theories are not assumptions or hypotheses. Scientists create scientific theories with the scientific method, when they are originally proposed as hypotheses and tested for accuracy through observations and experiments. Once a hypothesis is verified, it becomes a theory.
Usually Matt is a lot quicker to the disconnect button. I can't believe he didn't hang up on the guy after just a few minutes. That guy was all over the place, and took a long time to say a whole bunch of nothing.
It's harmful to believe that something is true just because it makes you feel good, because that belief could make potentially harmful actions more likely to occur. If someone believes that on their next birthday, they are going to find a treasure chest with a million dollars inside, then it may cause them to not save their money throughout the year, and cause them to experience a crushing feeling of disappointment when their birthday arrives. Everything you believe has an effect on your life, and a belief that is not based on a foundation of evidence, will make actions based on foundation without evidence more likely. Jonathan's belief could result in him not trying to have the best life he can on Earth, because he believes that a better one is waiting for him.
I think anyone who believes in an after life hasn't analyzed the consequences of how that life would work or what it would be like. For example many assume that the soul can exist seperate from a body, but I ask, what fuels it? Where does the soul get it's energy to do or act? Everything we know in this universe requires energy to function. How could something function without energy input? You can't just make something up or claim it doesn't require fuel. That would add more uncertainty.
When it comes to the contraception issue... he is right. It is not a matter of religious liberty. But it is a matter of the government over stepping their bounds.
@willzyx1980 That issue is an issue of fairness. If a business offers a healthcare plan that covers Viagra, then by rights they also have to offer contraception. Otherwise it is discrimination in favor of men and against women. But more importantly, it's the topic on which the decision is made. A religious organization cannot discriminate against potential employees because they don't believe in their religion. By that same token, they cannot force their belief on others.
Early man could only imagine a superbeing being able to create something. They had nothing to guide them, and plumped for the easiest solution. Especially following a disaster/famine/disease. They probably tied those kinds of things to being some kind of punishment, and then the fear grew along with superstition. Never heard the saying "on the first day, man created god"?
@@insanetester1015 OK. So,, its OK to believe in fairies? I ask, because I know at least one person who does, or did, have not seen them in awhile. You see, you can believe anything without evidence. As for faith, what do you mean?
@willzyx1980 This has nothing to do with "right to private property". He said if your religion stops you from providing your employees healthcare, then you shouldn't be running a business. If your religion interferes with providing your employees benefits, that is bad. It is most definitely ILLEGAL for a business to CHOOSE the people they want to work with on religious grounds. It is religious discrimination.
if a pharmacist from a local privately owned pharmacy sells condoms/contraceptives but one of the employers finds it insults their religious sensibilities, can they simply say they are not going to sell it?
The contraception issue is a big thing. A lot of people who aren't specifically religious actually support this measure as they think it's a freedom of religion thing. It isn't however because, as Matt stated, these are secular businesses. This would be EXACTLY as insane as if a Jehovah's Witness owned hospital refused to perform blood transfusions or transplants. The rationale and REASONS are exactly the same.
The argument Johnathan is making is that in unfalsifiable situation it is preferable (at least for him) to believe in a deity. It's kind of pointless to try and argue against this since it is purely based on preference. Obviously the logical reaction is to reserve judgement, but some people won't accept that and will believe anyway and you can't change their mind. I just don't understand how someone can believe in something that can't be determined.
@SauerGustavo Ok, your right I didn't really get the concept of falsifiability. But, still...just because there are some things that can be true while unfalsifiable doesn't mean it suspends that criteria for other claims like Matt was referring to.
The caller Johnathan I feel sorry for him. He seems to really believe in God based on his emotions, but based on reason, he is coming to the realization that he can't justify that believe and desperately wants to find a solution quickly but can't.
Logic is a method for evaluating the POSITIVE existential claims (the assertion that something DOES exist). The burden of proof is upon those who MAKE claims to offer sufficient evidence as to WHY those claims are reasonable, and thus WHY others should accept them as true.
Yes, it's true in any scientific analysis, but it if you take away the complexity of those tests, it still boils down to presumptions which stem back to what transpired at the big bang "theory". It's still interesting, considering that everything had a beginning and how things progressed/evolved to where there is gravity, thought process, laws of physics, so on so forth. Yet, nothing can be left as is, someone eager enough will try to find new facts & theories. Endless cycle of "truth finding"
@TheTexanCanadian " This critically highlights the mental disconnect that keeps people who would otherwise be quite intelligent from fulfilling their full potential, which is ironically exactly what Matt has done" What do you mean?
@samuraistrings Then you´re referring to the notion of "certainty" I take it? I think you also made a typo by saying " what makes a theory strong is the fact that it is unfalsifiable but not disproved." Didn´t you mean "falsifiable"? An unfalsifiable theory is inherrently weak if not worthless.
in laymen's terms, they guess and presume a possible solution by conducting test with the end results being left in assumption till more information is discovered. Even though my statement may not be 100% on point, it still hold's relevant to Atheist belief systems, I can respect their beliefs.
Sorry for the exceptionally long delay in response, don't really check mail as often..lol you know, your response is very interesting and entertaining (sincerely speaking) . It almost sounds like a religious view. I can respect that as well, I don't hate.
That difference between subjective value beliefs and a NONOBJECTIVE belief in God, is that the subjective value beliefs attach to OBJECTIVE things. Therefore, the logical basis of that subjective value preference can be evaluated in terms of the consequences of its objective attachment, unlike a purely subjective preference to believe in, say, God.
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"I am no longer willing to believe something because it simply feels right, or feels good because I understand that I can be fooled, and I can be wrong.
I need to take the steps to find out what the actual answer is, and if I am unable to find the answer I am in a position of "I don't know".
I am NOT justified in my claiming my lack of understanding, or my inability to find a better answer justifies any kind of supernatural explanation, or one that just seems to "fit"." Matt Dillahunty
Christopher Harper Ah. Plussed you. Thought it was your statement. Then got to the point in the vid where Matt said it. But you may keep the plus for your transcription. Well, 80% of it. I'm docking you two tenths for not using quotation marks and leaving the attribution at just "MD". But, rounding up: still 1.0 thumbs.
Christopher Harper Hi Chris. Thanks for taking that well. I too love language and playing with it. Words...those that exist and others I make up.
Not sure what you meant by the cross reference. Or "lifting" language.
Bruce Baker Ok, I edited it for clarity.
Thanks.
Christopher Harper Hi again Chris.
Don't sweat this. Just mentioning it cuz I'm getting odd input.
I don't note any substantive change in the OP. And, though I see your second reply (and all my comments), your first comment has vanished.
As I said, don't sweat it. Just go forth and be awesome. Ciao
Yeah, that is because I thought you were still commenting on my other comment about "Fire".
lol
I had just woke up and it took me a bit to sort that this was a completely different comment.
I sincerely hope that this is the last time the AE will accept a call from Jonathan. That thread is exhausted.
@imation879 "Josephus Flavius, the Jewish historian, lived as the earliest non-Christian who mentions a Jesus. Although many scholars think that Josephus' short accounts of Jesus (in Antiquities) came from interpolations perpetrated by a later Church father (most likely, Eusebius), Josephus' birth in 37 C.E., puts him out of range of an eyewitness account. Moreover, he wrote Antiquities in 93 C.E., after the first gospels got written! Therefore his information could only serve as hearsay."
and could easily be based on the gospels rather than hearsay
And he wasn’t affirming that J existed. He was saying that that there were ppl who believed it and were followers
To be a Christian who also believed he had a vision that was true, Clint is very open minded, I think. Because someone in his position would very often be a hardcore believer, but he didn't let what appeared to be true outweigh tons of physical evidence. So bravo to Clint for being a logical thinker.
You did finally answer his question about "what difference does my belief actually make". The biggest problem with believing in a religion is the loss of self. The next biggest problem is the justification for evil deeds that can be done without good reason.
Jen and Matt. This is my fav combo of Atheist Experience.
Don and Matt are great as well
Hopefully Matt and Jen's sacrifice by withstanding the "waste of time" harm of Jonathan will help other people realize that rational thought is imperative for a peaceful sane world.
I honestly can't believe the patience Matt and Jen demonstrated with the second guy... I mean he wasn't being disrespectful in any way, but surely they didn't need to waste half the show on him when it was painfully obvious that he clearly wasn't able to see the pointlessness in trying to justify a belief in something unfalsifiable...
But good on them for being really good sports and incredibly respectful.
Thanks a lot for putting the time Stamps in the description. Much appreciated.
"If you say unfalsifiable one more time I'm hanging up. Stop wasting my time." - Dillahunty
Yeah. Relig-tards get carried away with the idea of unfalsifiability.
If I claim the TOOTH FAIRY exists... try falsifying THAT.
"There is no bigger fool than the fool who discovers a lie, yet still believes it." - Doug Parmenter
Everyone should be held to a 10 minute time limit.
Especially when the argument continues in circles.
Hmmmmm....
It's like a deja-vu experience. I hear arguments and discussions we had here in Europe 50 years ago.
Also, thanks for putting in the times when the calls start and such, it's very helpful!
thank you!:D wish we had a show like this in sweden^^
@thenakedatheist hey. You mentioned about believing in afterlife might make one value this life less - I am severely disabled and have brain damage. I am newly atheist, but when I was Christian I was told I would have a fully working body in heaven, and I neglected the body I have now, even in its disabled state. I had been told I was stupid and didn't have much to look forward to. Now I am studying at open university, and every moment is precious despite the pain. Christianity diminished me, a
Fantasy is good in small doses, being lost in fantasy seems dangerous.
Matt always makes these episodes great.
Jonathan... that is gullibility in a nutshell
I was recently asked by a believer whether I prefer to either be happy or to be right. I actually wanted to face palm. What an asinine question!
I appreciate that you guys spent the time to discuss with the one caller who is questioning his own beliefs.
I feel like a lot of people start to see pain points in where they were raised and begin to have their own questions and reactions and it's often good to just try to understand where they are coming from. I hope the gentleman caller continues to search for answers wherever they might be.
My son was ten he said to me, ''How did Adam and Eve learn to walk and eat and stuff like that?''. ''It's sad they was never children and never played too'', so you learn that stuff when we are little that's weird''. I don't think my Son ever truly believed in the fairytale God.
First caller. Good point. "Blessing" food (saying grace) made no sense to him.
"People...maybe Christian, maybe atheist or Hindu...developed the seeds.
"People...maybe Jewish, maybe Sikh...grew those seeds into plants.
"People...maybe Mormon, maybe Scientologist...raised the cattle, etc.
"...packaged and butchered...
"...transported...stored...sold...cooked...
"...and I traded some of the money I earned through my own effort & expertise to buy it...
"so thank you God, for "providing" this food for our use"
I see a lot of people in that process. And I see God nowhere in it.
"God helps those who help themselves". So...eliminate the middleman.
+Bruce Baker it's about humility before nature and realizing how fragile is civilization. your words are those of a fat westerner who has never lived through war, siege or famine. what's worse he has no intrinsic connection to his ancestors' experience, who have.
also, Jewish farmers, yeah right.
There is SO much ground that needs to be covered in each call, each theistic caller demanding their own 'reasoning' to understand an atheist mindset. I'm enthralled by what gets discussed on this show and only wish that it were longer / more regular.
Good job guys +1 for reason and oranges alike.
Jonathan: “It’s given me hope and happiness.”
Then he should stop lying about caring about the truth.🤡
oh dear... I've gone through most of my life believing Im not particularly intellegent but frankly I don't think I've given myself enough credit... thanks for the show
My sentiments entirely.
The first time a company tries to discriminate against their employees due to their religious beliefs, the law will be overturned. One thing about America is that your medical records are NO ONE'S BUSINESS but yours, your doctor's, and your insurance company. In fact, the only way I believe you can gain access to someone's medical records is through a subpoena, and I doubt any judge would actually sign a subpoena so a company can see if their employee is using birth control.
One of the biggest indicators as to how empathetic we are as a species, IMO, is our eyes. If you compare our eyes to the eyes of almost every other animal, what stands out? The whites of our eyes. Those things really draw your attention. In most animals, having dark eyes allows them to hide better. The fact that humans have white eyes is a huge indicator that social selection has overcome any predatory selection. It is vastly important to our genetic reproduction that we are able to spot other humans instantly, see where they are looking, read their emotions, and so on. This carries beyond eyes to facial expressions and body language as well, but is less obvious than the eye. We are very attuned to each other. We read each other for intent and emotions so much that we don't even think about it. This knowledge just forms in our brains with hardly any effort. Since it all happens without (much) conscious effort, people attribute this ability to supernatural sources, but it really is just human nature.
Timothy Edgar
Good read
I love Jen, she is so smart! Seriously, Matt should give more space to co-hosts!
jonathan has created a "god" he can keep safe in a vault, forever protected against investigation by pesky skeptics, all because he also wants to believe in life after death, which he keeps in the same vault. all because jonathan cannot tolerate doubt.
y'know you know you know you know like you know its like yeah you know
The guy was kind of right. He chose what he wanted to believe, and didn't care if it was wrong.
Thank you guys for the responses, I respect science & am very fascinated by all new discoveries, progressions made, & how anatomy works as well. To ME, with all due respect, Atheism is another type of belief system. From observations, I can see that any belief system consists of truth finding & ultimately boils down to the conditioning of what that person interjects & retains in their metal aspect & in turn will disavows any outside conjectures. "we are never wrong" in our own mind set.
Dude,again,a lack of belief is not a type of belief. It just isnt
If I can convince myself that we can never truly know whether alcoholism is harmful, I can continue binge drinking because it feels good to me. That’s your logic, Jonathan.
I've been watching the last couple of AEs to see if they were going to touch on some of the religious/political craziness (esp the contraception issue) ongoing in the current election season. I'd like to hear an open atheist discuss these issues on the MSM but they seem to be in short supply. Glad to see Matt and Jen decided to cover it.
topic times at the description, is an excellent idea :D
Matt: "Congratulations, you've defined a tautology and wasted an hour." Great stuff.
They really should have a boom mike as a backup to the Lavalier microphones.
Correctrix mic
I would add the comedy bits by Patton Oswald about religion. Funny but also very insightful too.
And Eddie Izzard and Ricky Gervais. Also try Tim Minchin, such as Thank You God song
The simplest and most logical solution to the objections some businesses have toward paying health care insurance is to replace health insurance with a national health service. The U.S. is the only industrial nation that has no national health service.
Don't imprison yourself with labels. Remember, just because something is true does not make it more valued or better, those are subjective labels. It is as it is, absolutes have nothing to do with positive or negative, unless perceived through social, cultural, scientific, religious, humanistic or any other anthropomorphic scope. Condescension is a turbulent tightrope.
The government DOES direct how I do my job. There are specifications I need to follow, there are legal standards for the materials I work with, and there are a bunch of OSEH guidelines I need to legally obey for safety reasons.
Contraception is a prescription medication that treats medical conditions on top of preventing pregnancy. What if an employee had lupus and the employer decided for some arbitrary reason not to cover that particular treatment?
haha religion go home your drunk!
I used to not like the theme song but more and more it's growing on me.
you can't prove bigfoot doesn't exist. therefore, can I assert its existence.
cool, bro... have at it.
Jeff Connors Bigfoot his for your sins. Praise Wendigo! In Yeti’s name!
The caller reminded me of a documentary called Jesus Camp
@TheAtheistExperience
The moment Clint said he was studying chiropracty, I expected the woo that followed - and I wasn't disappointed: Matter isn't matter but is really energy, vibes, etc. Woo, woo,WOO.
I'm surprised Matt didn't catch on to that but let him go on preaching for so long.
Jen at the end asking "What's hopeful about that?" - this is just hypnotic but so true. I hate when the caller lost and never replied to that question.
In regards to Jonathan, why is Matt using logic and reason to what is obviously an emotional appeal? Logic and reason do not work because emotions are inherently illogical.
I was having hard time to grasp the concept that Matt has been saying: "Do you care whether the things you believe are true?" So when the answer is "Yes" I think that the second question should be something like "How do you know that your beliefs are true?" - at least this way it will lead to a meaningful conversation.
Doesn’t the first question pretty much imply the second?
It seems like Jonathan's definition for what he called "active belief" is closer to the definition of "self delusion".
I think even without knowing the details of Jonathan's life, it wouldn't be unfair to suggest that his belief in an afterlife will likely cause him to value this life less. Of course he'd probably say "you don't know my life" if this were pointed out to him, but I think we know enough about human nature to make that assertion without having to know the details of his life specifically.
I fucking love you guys and this show.
@robinvan1983 Yes, I've purchased individual health insurance. Look up the definition. "Insurance" is meant to protect the insured against the UNexpected. Unless there is an unexpected medical need for contraception, such a provision can not be construed as insurance. Socialized medical care is merely another program to forcibly distribute wealth. Insurance is rational. Socialized medical care is irrational.
Come on. Private insurance is often very expensive. And the insurers often go out of their way to avoid paying claims
whats wrong with the resolution? its broadcasted in 480P and its not poorly encoded plus its about what they say really
Theories hold an exalted place within science. In science, for an idea to reach the status of theory (not just hypothesis), it must go through a prohibitively rigorous examination by a whole community of scientists whose job it is to DISPROVE the idea. If an idea has gone through this lengthy process and still holds up, it reaches the exalted status of "scientific theory." Scientific theories make predictions that can be shown to be true through observation and evidence.
The point is where did the wind come from. The 'world' for that matter
@abamguy I don't understand the skeptic's thing against chiropractors. I go to one regularly, and it always makes me feel better. It re-aligns your spine and stuff.
@JJLatBIM you do know that viagra is in the basic insurance program right? Definitions of a word don't really reflect insurance packages... so i am guessing you never been insured... otherwise you know that there are coverings in those insurances that you won't get.
I understand that, matter is not energy (because of massless particles), you misread what I wrote, BUT MASS and ENERGY are a different manifestation of the same thing.
You said :"This does not mean that there is more matter when the mass increases due to velocity, just more mass". I totally AGREE with that, I know that, it's easy to understand.
So far we agree on the same things you just misunderstood me. My question is: do you know why massless particles are not consider matter.
@TheAtheistExperience
He probably meant that it has to be in 1080p HD or it doesn't count :P :P :P
Idea for a commercial. A kid goes to high school for the first time. He's walking down the hall and he's passing by a group of other kids huddled in the corner. One of the kids from the group says "Hey, hey you" and motions for him to come over. The kid, wanting to make friends joins the group. The kid who called him over says "Hey dude, you want one?" and the camera pans in, and they've all got a bible in their hands. The original kid just smiles, says no and walks away. "Religion. Just say no"
6:18 - Did he say "kerfluffle"? ;)
Something coming from something. That's a good one.
Joy, there are people like me! Love this show!
@Konicava when do you need 1080p to listen to a conversation?
Just for clarification, scientific theories are not assumptions or hypotheses. Scientists create scientific theories with the scientific method, when they are originally proposed as hypotheses and tested for accuracy through observations and experiments. Once a hypothesis is verified, it becomes a theory.
Usually Matt is a lot quicker to the disconnect button. I can't believe he didn't hang up on the guy after just a few minutes. That guy was all over the place, and took a long time to say a whole bunch of nothing.
It's harmful to believe that something is true just because it makes you feel good, because that belief could make potentially harmful actions more likely to occur.
If someone believes that on their next birthday, they are going to find a treasure chest with a million dollars inside, then it may cause them to not save their money throughout the year, and cause them to experience a crushing feeling of disappointment when their birthday arrives.
Everything you believe has an effect on your life, and a belief that is not based on a foundation of evidence, will make actions based on foundation without evidence more likely.
Jonathan's belief could result in him not trying to have the best life he can on Earth, because he believes that a better one is waiting for him.
Beliefs are choices to conscious individuals.
I think anyone who believes in an after life hasn't analyzed the consequences of how that life would work or what it would be like. For example many assume that the soul can exist seperate from a body, but I ask, what fuels it? Where does the soul get it's energy to do or act? Everything we know in this universe requires energy to function. How could something function without energy input? You can't just make something up or claim it doesn't require fuel. That would add more uncertainty.
When it comes to the contraception issue... he is right. It is not a matter of religious liberty. But it is a matter of the government over stepping their bounds.
@willzyx1980
That issue is an issue of fairness. If a business offers a healthcare plan that covers Viagra, then by rights they also have to offer contraception. Otherwise it is discrimination in favor of men and against women. But more importantly, it's the topic on which the decision is made. A religious organization cannot discriminate against potential employees because they don't believe in their religion. By that same token, they cannot force their belief on others.
@wannabefilms you just made my day
Early man could only imagine a superbeing being able to create something. They had nothing to guide them, and plumped for the easiest solution. Especially following a disaster/famine/disease. They probably tied those kinds of things to being some kind of punishment, and then the fear grew along with superstition.
Never heard the saying "on the first day, man created god"?
I am god because you can't disprove it. Please form a queue and bring a $100 "seed" offering.
Yours Sincerely, God
What is the evidence that you are god?
@@agimasoschandir You don't need evidence, you have faith.
@@insanetester1015 OK. So,, its OK to believe in fairies? I ask, because I know at least one person who does, or did, have not seen them in awhile. You see, you can believe anything without evidence. As for faith, what do you mean?
Belief without evidence is what faith is
@willzyx1980 This has nothing to do with "right to private property". He said if your religion stops you from providing your employees healthcare, then you shouldn't be running a business. If your religion interferes with providing your employees benefits, that is bad.
It is most definitely ILLEGAL for a business to CHOOSE the people they want to work with on religious grounds. It is religious discrimination.
if a pharmacist from a local privately owned pharmacy sells condoms/contraceptives but one of the employers finds it insults their religious sensibilities, can they simply say they are not going to sell it?
The contraception issue is a big thing. A lot of people who aren't specifically religious actually support this measure as they think it's a freedom of religion thing. It isn't however because, as Matt stated, these are secular businesses. This would be EXACTLY as insane as if a Jehovah's Witness owned hospital refused to perform blood transfusions or transplants. The rationale and REASONS are exactly the same.
Jonathon doesn't understand what the word "justified" means in that context.
i like matts way of thinking
The argument Johnathan is making is that in unfalsifiable situation it is preferable (at least for him) to believe in a deity. It's kind of pointless to try and argue against this since it is purely based on preference. Obviously the logical reaction is to reserve judgement, but some people won't accept that and will believe anyway and you can't change their mind. I just don't understand how someone can believe in something that can't be determined.
@SauerGustavo Ok, your right I didn't really get the concept of falsifiability. But, still...just because there are some things that can be true while unfalsifiable doesn't mean it suspends that criteria for other claims like Matt was referring to.
-- But it's unfalsifiable! *sound of shotgun blast in a face*
The caller Johnathan I feel sorry for him. He seems to really believe in God based on his emotions, but based on reason, he is coming to the realization that he can't justify that believe and desperately wants to find a solution quickly but can't.
Logic is a method for evaluating the POSITIVE existential claims (the assertion that something DOES exist). The burden of proof is upon those who MAKE claims to offer sufficient evidence as to WHY those claims are reasonable, and thus WHY others should accept them as true.
Yes, it's true in any scientific analysis, but it if you take away the complexity of those tests, it still boils down to presumptions which stem back to what transpired at the big bang "theory". It's still interesting, considering that everything had a beginning and how things progressed/evolved to where there is gravity, thought process, laws of physics, so on so forth. Yet, nothing can be left as is, someone eager enough will try to find new facts & theories. Endless cycle of "truth finding"
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Why did Jonathan call? he says does not care, so, why is he calling? After all, he doesn't care.
but, can you make a conscious decision to begin to believe that you can fly - to the extent that you would test it?
@TheTexanCanadian
" This critically highlights the mental disconnect that keeps people who would otherwise be quite intelligent from fulfilling their full potential, which is ironically exactly what Matt has done"
What do you mean?
Can any1 tell me what tattoo Matt has on his right arm?
@samuraistrings Then you´re referring to the notion of "certainty" I take it? I think you also made a typo by saying " what makes a theory strong is the fact that it is unfalsifiable but not disproved." Didn´t you mean "falsifiable"? An unfalsifiable theory is inherrently weak if not worthless.
@lhvinny I was talking more about how it'd be illegal with the minimum wage laws, but they'd probably still be able to get away with it somehow.
in laymen's terms, they guess and presume a possible solution by conducting test with the end results being left in assumption till more information is discovered. Even though my statement may not be 100% on point, it still hold's relevant to Atheist belief systems, I can respect their beliefs.
@TheAtheistExperience you need to see a podcast?
Sorry for the exceptionally long delay in response, don't really check mail as often..lol
you know, your response is very interesting and entertaining (sincerely speaking) . It almost sounds like a religious view. I can respect that as well, I don't hate.
What's with all the removed comments?
my fave two hosts :)
That difference between subjective value beliefs and a NONOBJECTIVE belief in God, is that the subjective value beliefs attach to OBJECTIVE things. Therefore, the logical basis of that subjective value preference can be evaluated in terms of the consequences of its objective attachment, unlike a purely subjective preference to believe in, say, God.