17:54- Charles (atheist): why do Christians claim people need to be forgiven, the difference between religions and cults 24:29- Anthony (atheist): the Family International, a religion which isolates members from society 34:02- Jesus (theist, possible prank caller): wants to know why the hosts are spreading atheism around, thinks atheism is a cult 37:56- Kyle: abortion challenges heading to the Supreme Court, asks what Church leaders say about divorce 43:08- TruthHurts (Charlie from episode 710, 712 and 713): asks if the hosts oppose gay incest and polygamy, opposes gay marriage 54:11- Lou (atheist): teen drinking leading to pregnancy, Christians failing to address teen drinking
"When we allowed interracial couples to marry, we allowed them to MARRY. We did make them pick a new word for it. We didn't make them "civil partners". We said: "Hey, we've been denying a right here that you should've had the whole time and we're gonna correct that and we're going to redefine things in order to allow it." And when we did that, we didn't have this cavalcade of "people marrying sheep" or anything absurd like that!" "Oh my gosh! Are you a complete idiot!!" I platonically love you, Matt
As a woman who was raped and became pregnant due to it, I feel any restriction on available abortion would have led me to having to carry a baby forced upon me. I have two healthy happy adult children that I chose to have.
a woman I was dating was raped by a cops nephew and I believe she made the decision to have the baby and it looks just like him. I don't know how she was able to do that. we stopped talking cause she never could able to cope with anything moving forward. I think its partly religion why she had it
I live in a very religious town. So, to me, watching this show is the only time I get to hear fellow atheists. It is hard growing up where everyone is religious, even in public school I've had several teachers preaching during class. This show is the only hour of my week where I don't have to hide my atheism and where I don't feel alone.
This guy who calls himself "Truth Hurts" calls all the time, using big words and terms he doesn't understand, and makes himself look more stupid. I love it.
I said to my friend once that so many passages in the bible have a malicious tone, but he suggested I was looking at them all wrong and they had a different meaning. So I asked, if the bible was supposed to be so important with its message, why is its meaning so cryptic. Shouldn't it have been written then in all the future languages as clear and concise as possible to avoid any misunderstandings the many people of the world would have? So that no one could argue its meaning. I left him speechless.
Good one. And that's precisely the case. An omniscient and omnipotent god would have the perfect message with perfect clarity in the perfect language that would perfectly penetrate every heart, and we would most certainly not have this cryptic, controversial and laughably immoral and ignorant book on our hands that would eventually create thousands of different denominations due to radically different interpretations... derp.
"It says in the bible that men are stronger than women in the bible and men ARE stronger than women, so that proves the bible is fact" Harry Potter has clouds in the sky and there really are clouds in the sky therefore Harry Potter is true.
It's sad that basic observations that any person could make, pre-science, is somehow revelatory enough for them to be amazed and think that the bible is prophetic and "infallible." Oh look, the bible talks about the sun and guess what... there's a sun! zomg god is real checkmate atheists.
Another powerful 'proof' of the truth of the bible and the bible being far ahead of science was offered to me, a few weeks ago: the theory of relativity was mentioned in the bible, according to a very confident Christian: 2 Peter 3:8, I kid you not. He seemed to look a bit down on me as he surmised that I needed to look it up...
@@douglasthomashayden2566 no no no, i have not won an argument with my bat shit crazy woman since 1996, and not for the lack of common sense, and also i have not been correct about anything at all, although i am.
Until I completed the reproductive cycle of my biology degree I was against abortion in any form other than for the life of the mother. After my complete understanding of the cycles of cellular generation I have another view. As with all things education and understanding change ones views. Up to 10 weeks (2 months and 2 weeks) the fertilized egg is a fairly random mass of cells without any actual interconnected and function formation to them. Its the same as cutting out a mass of meat from my arm and throwing it on the table at that point. My arm has various cells through the layers of my dermis and muscle fibers that is comparable to the amount of diverse cells in a developed egg/fetus. Its not an integrated system that is anything more than a mass of random cells at that point and is not life an can not in any way be life, just random cells. After that time the cells begin to form integrated systems and becomes an actual living and viable system by 16 weeks (4 months) and is a fully formed and viable organism by 21 weeks. I don't believe a soul is in it at any point of development nor after birth. I take my stance as once the cell mass begins to make integrated systems and stop being a simple mass of various cells multiplying and waiting to reach sufficient quantity to begin creating various systems needed for a viable organism that abortions should be illegal except for life of the mother, rape, incest, or a few other points. If abortion is sinful then god is sinning since an average female will naturally abort two dozen babies when the egg is unable to properly attach and integrate with the uterine lining before the menstruation cycle begins and aborts it based on natural occurrences in mammals. That's my view and why I feel that way.
Larr- Bear That's not bad. The drawn line is at 22 weeks, I believe, and 98.5% of all abortions occur before 20 weeks. Most of the scare tactics used by the religious crowd about how abortion is mass murder because fully formed babies are slaughtered by the thousands are straight-up lies.
TheZooCrew I'm an atheist. At one point in time I was 100% supporter of abortion rights. After my first child was born I began thinking more and more about the subject (it was triggered about an hour after his birth, we were lying in bed and I thought to myself "Now there are 3 of us but a couple hours ago there were only 2") I realized that that wasn't an accurate way of looking at it (he had been interacting with our cat for a number of months, for instance). What was the magical event that passage through a birth canal triggers? I have thought that the best place to draw the line likely lies somewhere between week 8 and week 16, due to spinal development, but I'm open to arguments about other time frames if they are based on scientific knowledge. I believe in choice, but there are limitations on that choice. Once it crosses a certain threshold choice shouldn't be an option. I live in Canada where we actually don't have any laws regarding abortion (the abortion law was struck down by the supreme court and no government was willing to tackle it) so technically-speaking an abortion could be performed at 9 months.
Alex Kilgour An abortion at 9 months is called a C-section. Or induced labor. Termination of a pregnancy doesn't always result in fetal death despite the propaganda. Your thinking in the first paragraph is simplistic and sloppy, not to mention driven by emotion. Furthermore, reaction to stimuli is not by itself indicative of life, let alone sentience. It actually doesn't matter whether a fetus is a person or not...and you're conflating how YOU see your child or a fetus with how the LAW must view it. A person's right to life does NOT override another's right to bodily autonomy, which is why a parent can't be forced to donate a kidney to save their child. We've known for quite some time that the EEG brain wave is the marker of brain-life. Once that fades, you're dead, because brain-dead is dead. The EEG isn't even close to developed until around 24 weeks and not fully functional until 26. Like I mentioned before, 98.5% of all abortions in the US occur before 20 weeks, and the rest also include complications like tasax or anencephaly, which almost certainly require abortions. I apologize if I sound aggressive, but I'm truly troubled by how much ad hoc nonsense and misinformation surrounds this topic.
Even though I do not share your opinions, I do see your progression leading you to your current beliefs. I think that late term abortions should only be permitted if the fetus is killing the mother and abortions done during the first trimester should be open to any women who wants the service. The right to control your own body shouldn't be decided by committee if their reason is deemed "good enough". The problem with having women only get abortions if there is a "good enough" reason only invades the privacy of the woman and prevents women from getting abortions and it also would increase the cost and cause delays by adding bureaucracy to the system pushing women pass the date to terminate if they have to prove they were raped or whatever the criteria is. I do not believe reproductive rights should be determined by others and a person should have a right to control their own bodies. I do not like when women use abortion as a birth control method but the current laws on reproductive and bodily rights allows for people to abuse the system to protect the majority. The majority of abortions are done in the first trimester and for valid reasons and those women need to be protected. Also with the issue of rape, do they have to convict someone before an abortion is granted? DO they have to report the rape to terminate the pregnancy? Also that will make desperate women lie to get an abortion and that could cause issues for many men who will be accused falsely to justify the termination performed safely. Also it will just force abortion underground where it is unsafe and dangerous for the mother. Many dangerous illegal abortions were performed and caused death or permanent health issues and making it more difficult or impossible to have an abortion unless you meet a certain criteria is dangerous and it will go back underground.
TheZooCrew Let's start with the simple you asserting arguments are sloppy and then dismissing it without evidence is not a good argument. Then using a false equivalency argument with regards to a kidney donation is foolish. I stated clearly that I live in Canada and there is no line here. I was quite clear in stating that. You can abort a fetus at 39 weeks in Canada, legally-speaking. Induction and abortion are 2 very different things. Aborting a fetus is not just inducing before it is viable. That is not what is done. You are not knowledgeable about the process if you are asserting this. The first brain activity can be seen in a fetus at 12 weeks, not the 24 weeks that you asserted. With regards to the false equivalency that you (and I've heard Jenn make the same statement) made let me explain the difference between the two situations. If I see a car racing toward a person on a sidewalk and I could leap and successfully push that person from the sidewalk safely (but exposing myself to getting hit) I would not be charged or found culpable for not doing so. If, however, I was sure that if I pushed the person in front of me they would bump into the person on the sidewalk (thereby bumping that other person out of the way) I would still be charged for pushing that person into danger. It is a question of action versus inaction. You are suggesting that preventing a person from taking an action that would be harmful to another is the same as forcing a person into an action that could be harmful to them (to aide another person). There is a plain difference. I realize that it is human nature to seek comparisons and analogies to justify situations. I can (and have frequently) revert to the analogy that I am free to swing my fist in whatever manner I wish, but if someone else's face happens to be in the path of my fist suddenly my freedom is being restricted. But to be truthful, there is no other situation that is similar to pregnancy or childbirth. Being forced to donate a kidney is NOT the same as being prevented from performing an abortion. I will stick by my assertion that there is a point where I believe that abortion should no longer be considered an option (unless due to medical situations, tay-sachs or things like that) and that point should be related to spinal development, and more importantly, brain development. My earlier range of 8-16 weeks shows a wide range, and clearly indicates my openness to actual arguments from science to narrow that down. If 20 weeks ends up being the best line that science can draw, then I would go with that as well. But blanket assertions that 98.5% of abortions happen before 20 weeks and of course all that occur after that are for medical reasons cannot be verified and as I clearly stated, even if there are laws in the US, there aren't in Canada, and that was the issue I was addressing. There certainly is a lot of nonsense surrounding this topic. My story about how I re-thought the topic was not meant to be a personal experience tear-jerker. It was simply an explanation of why I rethought it all. When I was doing bioethics courses in university, many years ago, I was always very strongly on the pro-choice side. I had many rousing knockdown arguments with pro-lifers in some of those seminar classes. Funny that now that I'm an atheist (back then I was a deist) I find myself sitting somewhere in the middle on the abortion issue.
My issue with Dan Patrick. The point is that this guy is acting like he is trying to save lives when his real agenda is to close abortion clinics because of his religious beliefs. If he stated his honest opinion there would be no doubt that he is trying to close clinics due to his religious beliefs. So he obviously believes dishonesty is ok when doing the work of the lord, or he would be honest.
I'm surprised Don hadn't heard of the Family. They've received a good deal more attention than, say, the Westboro Baptist Church, although perhaps not recently.
Yes,it was in a post by some crazy Christian preacher. I don't care about Pokemon enough to speak rumors. Get off your lazy butt and do a little bit of investigation.
I'd have thought they would have been pleased. They'll usually do anything to try to get more folk through the door. LOLOL. Demons indeed. Never ceases to amaze and astonish me. How on earth an educated, rational, educated, sober adult could possible manage to continue to swallow such fantastic, juvenile, superstitious claptrap.
@Sines314 Yes, several people have brought this to my attention, I admit I did not think of it before, but you're right, it would be an absolute legal nightmare. Which got me wondering, are there other things that are illegal just because they would be almost impossible to configure laws around?
Try Numbers chapter 5 to get the full context read up to chapter 6. Then look again at 5:16-28. That whole scripture is a description of how to perform the abortion. verse 27 is particularly graphic: "when he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop, and the woman shall become an execration among her people."
RE: Polygamy As Matt said that there is no reason "to exclude two loving people from engaging in the same union... solely on the basis of gender" In the same way, I see no reason to exclude x number of loving people from engaging in the same union solely on the basis of numbers. If 3 or more people want to join together in a group union, why not? (and I also don't care which gender any of those members are)
Father's Day in Thailand is celebrated on the King's birthday, so I always manage to forget when it's father's day in Canada (to wish my dad a happy day)
@88Keyz101 actually that is one of the keys to winning a debate. don't give the other person the chance to make a good point in an argument, while pointing out anything hypocritical problems in the the other's words.
Is it tho? Does it actually say any where you can only fck your husband or wife? Marriage is a social contracts that allows 2 people to share stuff legally and have some other bonuses.
@7:32..."rubbing the nose of the person getting an abortion into the fact that..Hey! You're killing something that is alive." Aaaand in your mind this is a bad thing? I thought we atheists were all about speaking the truth of a matter regardless of the consequences or whose toes get stepped on... _"Let justice be done though the heaven's fall."_
+BloodTar you're defining skepticism not atheism -_- atheism is a lack of belief in god. This doesn't mean you seek truth as you can still believe in ghosts and karma and all that. And yes i do think it's wrong to rub their noses that they're killing someone as you don't know their background or what happened so you have no right to impose your beliefs on them. It's not because you think it's wrong that it actually is. Because i think abortion isn't immoral by any means.
Socomhunter _"This doesn't mean you seek truth as you can still believe in ghosts and karma and all that."_ So your atheism isn't interested in truth? Really? You and I are definitely not on the same page because It seems that you don't have a lack of belief in god, you just don't want to believe in god because it might upset your apple cart. How can you not believe in god but at the same time believe in the spirit world and spiritual consequences? You can't have it both ways.
BloodTar Like i said, atheism has nothing to do with truth over the entire line and atheism simply is "lack of believe in god/deity" it doesn't say "lack of belief in the supernatural" that's simply how it is. It's a simple fact that matt also says numerous times in the show. You can, still believe in the supernatural but as long as you don't believe in a GOD then you're an atheist. Simple as that. If you believe in karma but not in a god, you're still simply an atheist, what you're thinking of is skepticism. Skepticism is not believing untill it's proven. I'm a skeptic atheist. And i don't "hate" god because i don't believe he exists. But at least i know what the terms mean, maybe you should learn them aswell if you're gonna label yourself with them. I refer you to these links: Atheism -> www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism , skepticism -> www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skepticism . So don't come around telling me i'm not a true atheist while you clearly don't understand what atheism actually means. You're a skeptic atheist just like me. But Atheist simply doesn't suffice if you don't believe in anything supernatural.
+Socomhunter Show me one video that Matt or any other host on The Atheist Experience has ever made where they say that believing in the supernatural (sprit world) is separate from believing in higher powers, god or any other kind of spiritual entity. Do you think the spiritual world is governed by anarchy? Sorry, but if the spiritual world exists then so does someone or something that is in charge of it. You're contradicting your atheism if you believe that you can have your spiritual world without a god....they're inseparable. By the way, all atheists by default are skeptics so there's no need for you to search for some new label to pin on me or yourself.
BloodTar spirits & gods are not the same, don't try to confuse your world beliefs into the word atheist because it simply doesn't mean what you think it means. you want me to point out where they say it? I can search the video but i can also give you their website where they explain what atheism actually means. www.atheist-community.org/faq/#atheism_is_religion look at the last line of that question where is says atheism is about not believing in GOD(S). Not believing in ghosts, karma and whatever else is called SKEPTICISM. Stop confusing your own beliefs with the actual definitions of words. I'm not confusing anything, you're the one being confused, you clearly have no idea what the term atheism means. Theism = belief in god, Atheism means not believing in a god. Simple as that,
Power, military, allies, commitment, does not care a lot about the debt (spending money to get more connections, lessen threats and get resources) currently, resources, and then history.
I just love all the men in America who feel they can dictate to women what they should do or think. Don is so right! No one seems to care what happens to the child AFTER birth! I certainly don't see a lot of help raising the children in question. What happens to a single mom who already has 2 or more kids and is fighting every day to try to stay alive? Ever think of that?
Bottom line - Abortion is acceptable in life threatening situations for the mother and in case of rape. Any other reason is simply a case of irresponsibility between either the mother, father or both. A women using abortion as a form of birth control is NOT her taking control over her body. It's the clearest case of her not taking control and RESPONSIBILITY for her own actions. If you believe otherwise you might as well become a Christian because the same flawed view of reality is required.
Not stalking, I read through the comments of these videos because I find them interesting and I came across yours and expressed confusion. Your intention in using those words was unclear and your reason for using those words as stated in the previous video was 'frustration' not ' to put his hatred in perspective' Use logic rather than words that have shock value to get your point across. Btw i'm not trying to call you out as racist
Well a friend's sister who lives in Ireland was forced to have a stillborn child because of abortion laws. She had to carry to term a child she knew was going to come out dead. The doctor she had was not allowed to help her as laws prevented him from doing so. But he left her a pamphlet for abortion clinics in England.
A true waste would be telling someone that all they would ever have, is really not for them, and to have an organization that tells people to hand over all they will ever know for a promise of payment. To tell people that the only show in town, is only preparation for eternity, and have finite creatures waste the little time for a forever that has never been seen, proven, or likely. You are preparing for forever that will never come, and I will live while I am living.
@theatheistexperience You're in danger of having me just tune in to listen to Evolved Atheist - I haven't laughed that hard in ages. This show was as funny as the last. Ha ha ha. Wonderful stuff.
It's in the video description above. Click show more. The song is 'Listen To Reason' by Bryan Steeks , /bryansteeksma You can't post full links in the comments. :)
@playgrrrr In polyandrous/polygamous marriages, the status of the wo/man isn't individuated. The dominant partner, whether it be woman or man, the axis upon which the marriage revolves, is married to more than one person. It doesn't matter if the particular acts of marriage - the rituals - only included two people, the "being" married in polygamous marriages involves more than two. And since *no one* has the right to be married to multiple people, it can't be analogous.
@jrcahill2-I would like to see a secular approach to the issue of abortion from the Pro-Life side. You don't see one because there are no good arguments prior to at least the third trimester (23rd-24th week) when the portions of the brain form that make experiencing pain (in a rudimentary way) possible. And even then we aren't talking about a person with memories, relationships, and rights that would outweigh those of the mother.
@sunfireThu When everything and everyone you know is stuck in one gum wrapper, it's hard to quit chewing :( I have a lot of hope for Mark from Stone Church, I have lived through his fears. Walking away from a life steeped in religion is one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life.
17:54- Charles (atheist): why do Christians claim people need to be forgiven, the difference between religions and cults
24:29- Anthony (atheist): the Family International, a religion which isolates members from society
34:02- Jesus (theist, possible prank caller): wants to know why the hosts are spreading atheism around, thinks atheism is a cult
37:56- Kyle: abortion challenges heading to the Supreme Court, asks what Church leaders say about divorce
43:08- TruthHurts (Charlie from episode 710, 712 and 713): asks if the hosts oppose gay incest and polygamy, opposes gay marriage
54:11- Lou (atheist): teen drinking leading to pregnancy, Christians failing to address teen drinking
"When we allowed interracial couples to marry, we allowed them to MARRY. We did make them pick a new word for it. We didn't make them "civil partners". We said: "Hey, we've been denying a right here that you should've had the whole time and we're gonna correct that and we're going to redefine things in order to allow it."
And when we did that, we didn't have this cavalcade of "people marrying sheep" or anything absurd like that!"
"Oh my gosh! Are you a complete idiot!!"
I platonically love you, Matt
Im glad you guys can post your full episodes on this youtube channel. makes them easy to watch thanks
As a woman who was raped and became pregnant due to it, I feel any restriction on available abortion would have led me to having to carry a baby forced upon me. I have two healthy happy adult children that I chose to have.
a woman I was dating was raped by a cops nephew and I believe she made the decision to have the baby and it looks just like him. I don't know how she was able to do that. we stopped talking cause she never could able to cope with anything moving forward. I think its partly religion why she had it
I live in a very religious town. So, to me, watching this show is the only time I get to hear fellow atheists. It is hard growing up where everyone is religious, even in public school I've had several teachers preaching during class. This show is the only hour of my week where I don't have to hide my atheism and where I don't feel alone.
This guy who calls himself "Truth Hurts" calls all the time, using big words and terms he doesn't understand, and makes himself look more stupid. I love it.
I said to my friend once that so many passages in the bible have a malicious tone, but he suggested I was looking at them all wrong and they had a different meaning. So I asked, if the bible was supposed to be so important with its message, why is its meaning so cryptic. Shouldn't it have been written then in all the future languages as clear and concise as possible to avoid any misunderstandings the many people of the world would have? So that no one could argue its meaning. I left him speechless.
Good one. And that's precisely the case. An omniscient and omnipotent god would have the perfect message with perfect clarity in the perfect language that would perfectly penetrate every heart, and we would most certainly not have this cryptic, controversial and laughably immoral and ignorant book on our hands that would eventually create thousands of different denominations due to radically different interpretations... derp.
hmmm... lets play a game
I'm often cryptic
I'm controversial
I'm ignorant
I can be Immoral but you should still love me.
What am I?
A Human.
Philly Fly Guy Your point?
"Do you have any idea who you're talking to?" LOVE IT!
Keep up the awesome work, all of you @ ACA.
Matts facedesk around 48.23 is one of the best stuff in this video!
Once again, ASTONISHING amount of patience with that guy.
You've waited 9 years and no like lol, wait no more
"It says in the bible that men are stronger than women in the bible and men ARE stronger than women, so that proves the bible is fact"
Harry Potter has clouds in the sky and there really are clouds in the sky therefore Harry Potter is true.
It's sad that basic observations that any person could make, pre-science, is somehow revelatory enough for them to be amazed and think that the bible is prophetic and "infallible." Oh look, the bible talks about the sun and guess what... there's a sun! zomg god is real checkmate atheists.
Larry Berry
Well all i know is that women are crazyer (bat shit) than men.
Another powerful 'proof' of the truth of the bible and the bible being far ahead of science was offered to me, a few weeks ago: the theory of relativity was mentioned in the bible, according to a very confident Christian: 2 Peter 3:8, I kid you not. He seemed to look a bit down on me as he surmised that I needed to look it up...
@@cjalisyas Nope.
Women are rational enough to stay away from YOU.
@@douglasthomashayden2566 no no no, i have not won an argument with my bat shit crazy woman since 1996, and not for the lack of common sense, and also i have not been correct about anything at all, although i am.
Can't believe you've done 714 shows, and they're all gems! Keep 'em up you guys :)
TruthHurts? More like BrainHurts! *drops mic and walks away*
+Andrew Curley HOLY FUC, how dumb is that guy D:
+Andrew Curley Pa ha ha ha ha! Good one.
That wasn't a faulty analogy fallacy. It was a contradiction misconception!
+Bergzore you forgot to put fallacy at the end.
No it wasn't.
I'm so glad this show exists. i watch it everytime :)
An excellent episode!
Love Don. ‘Obviously he cant handle a uterus or god would have given him one’ 😂👌🏼
Good to hear Jesus is still hammering away in his carpentry business at the start of his call. Always have a trade to fall back on.
Roj H 🤣🤣😂😂👍👌
Until I completed the reproductive cycle of my biology degree I was against abortion in any form other than for the life of the mother. After my complete understanding of the cycles of cellular generation I have another view. As with all things education and understanding change ones views. Up to 10 weeks (2 months and 2 weeks) the fertilized egg is a fairly random mass of cells without any actual interconnected and function formation to them. Its the same as cutting out a mass of meat from my arm and throwing it on the table at that point. My arm has various cells through the layers of my dermis and muscle fibers that is comparable to the amount of diverse cells in a developed egg/fetus. Its not an integrated system that is anything more than a mass of random cells at that point and is not life an can not in any way be life, just random cells. After that time the cells begin to form integrated systems and becomes an actual living and viable system by 16 weeks (4 months) and is a fully formed and viable organism by 21 weeks. I don't believe a soul is in it at any point of development nor after birth. I take my stance as once the cell mass begins to make integrated systems and stop being a simple mass of various cells multiplying and waiting to reach sufficient quantity to begin creating various systems needed for a viable organism that abortions should be illegal except for life of the mother, rape, incest, or a few other points. If abortion is sinful then god is sinning since an average female will naturally abort two dozen babies when the egg is unable to properly attach and integrate with the uterine lining before the menstruation cycle begins and aborts it based on natural occurrences in mammals. That's my view and why I feel that way.
Larr- Bear
That's not bad. The drawn line is at 22 weeks, I believe, and 98.5% of all abortions occur before 20 weeks. Most of the scare tactics used by the religious crowd about how abortion is mass murder because fully formed babies are slaughtered by the thousands are straight-up lies.
TheZooCrew I'm an atheist. At one point in time I was 100% supporter of abortion rights. After my first child was born I began thinking more and more about the subject (it was triggered about an hour after his birth, we were lying in bed and I thought to myself "Now there are 3 of us but a couple hours ago there were only 2") I realized that that wasn't an accurate way of looking at it (he had been interacting with our cat for a number of months, for instance). What was the magical event that passage through a birth canal triggers?
I have thought that the best place to draw the line likely lies somewhere between week 8 and week 16, due to spinal development, but I'm open to arguments about other time frames if they are based on scientific knowledge.
I believe in choice, but there are limitations on that choice. Once it crosses a certain threshold choice shouldn't be an option. I live in Canada where we actually don't have any laws regarding abortion (the abortion law was struck down by the supreme court and no government was willing to tackle it) so technically-speaking an abortion could be performed at 9 months.
Alex Kilgour
An abortion at 9 months is called a C-section. Or induced labor. Termination of a pregnancy doesn't always result in fetal death despite the propaganda.
Your thinking in the first paragraph is simplistic and sloppy, not to mention driven by emotion. Furthermore, reaction to stimuli is not by itself indicative of life, let alone sentience. It actually doesn't matter whether a fetus is a person or not...and you're conflating how YOU see your child or a fetus with how the LAW must view it. A person's right to life does NOT override another's right to bodily autonomy, which is why a parent can't be forced to donate a kidney to save their child.
We've known for quite some time that the EEG brain wave is the marker of brain-life. Once that fades, you're dead, because brain-dead is dead. The EEG isn't even close to developed until around 24 weeks and not fully functional until 26. Like I mentioned before, 98.5% of all abortions in the US occur before 20 weeks, and the rest also include complications like tasax or anencephaly, which almost certainly require abortions.
I apologize if I sound aggressive, but I'm truly troubled by how much ad hoc nonsense and misinformation surrounds this topic.
Even though I do not share your opinions, I do see your progression leading you to your current beliefs.
I think that late term abortions should only be permitted if the fetus is killing the mother and abortions done during the first trimester should be open to any women who wants the service. The right to control your own body shouldn't be decided by committee if their reason is deemed "good enough". The problem with having women only get abortions if there is a "good enough" reason only invades the privacy of the woman and prevents women from getting abortions and it also would increase the cost and cause delays by adding bureaucracy to the system pushing women pass the date to terminate if they have to prove they were raped or whatever the criteria is.
I do not believe reproductive rights should be determined by others and a person should have a right to control their own bodies. I do not like when women use abortion as a birth control method but the current laws on reproductive and bodily rights allows for people to abuse the system to protect the majority. The majority of abortions are done in the first trimester and for valid reasons and those women need to be protected. Also with the issue of rape, do they have to convict someone before an abortion is granted? DO they have to report the rape to terminate the pregnancy? Also that will make desperate women lie to get an abortion and that could cause issues for many men who will be accused falsely to justify the termination performed safely. Also it will just force abortion underground where it is unsafe and dangerous for the mother. Many dangerous illegal abortions were performed and caused death or permanent health issues and making it more difficult or impossible to have an abortion unless you meet a certain criteria is dangerous and it will go back underground.
TheZooCrew
Let's start with the simple you asserting arguments are sloppy and then dismissing it without evidence is not a good argument. Then using a false equivalency argument with regards to a kidney donation is foolish.
I stated clearly that I live in Canada and there is no line here. I was quite clear in stating that. You can abort a fetus at 39 weeks in Canada, legally-speaking. Induction and abortion are 2 very different things. Aborting a fetus is not just inducing before it is viable. That is not what is done. You are not knowledgeable about the process if you are asserting this.
The first brain activity can be seen in a fetus at 12 weeks, not the 24 weeks that you asserted.
With regards to the false equivalency that you (and I've heard Jenn make the same statement) made let me explain the difference between the two situations.
If I see a car racing toward a person on a sidewalk and I could leap and successfully push that person from the sidewalk safely (but exposing myself to getting hit) I would not be charged or found culpable for not doing so. If, however, I was sure that if I pushed the person in front of me they would bump into the person on the sidewalk (thereby bumping that other person out of the way) I would still be charged for pushing that person into danger.
It is a question of action versus inaction. You are suggesting that preventing a person from taking an action that would be harmful to another is the same as forcing a person into an action that could be harmful to them (to aide another person). There is a plain difference.
I realize that it is human nature to seek comparisons and analogies to justify situations. I can (and have frequently) revert to the analogy that I am free to swing my fist in whatever manner I wish, but if someone else's face happens to be in the path of my fist suddenly my freedom is being restricted. But to be truthful, there is no other situation that is similar to pregnancy or childbirth. Being forced to donate a kidney is NOT the same as being prevented from performing an abortion.
I will stick by my assertion that there is a point where I believe that abortion should no longer be considered an option (unless due to medical situations, tay-sachs or things like that) and that point should be related to spinal development, and more importantly, brain development. My earlier range of 8-16 weeks shows a wide range, and clearly indicates my openness to actual arguments from science to narrow that down. If 20 weeks ends up being the best line that science can draw, then I would go with that as well. But blanket assertions that 98.5% of abortions happen before 20 weeks and of course all that occur after that are for medical reasons cannot be verified and as I clearly stated, even if there are laws in the US, there aren't in Canada, and that was the issue I was addressing.
There certainly is a lot of nonsense surrounding this topic. My story about how I re-thought the topic was not meant to be a personal experience tear-jerker. It was simply an explanation of why I rethought it all. When I was doing bioethics courses in university, many years ago, I was always very strongly on the pro-choice side. I had many rousing knockdown arguments with pro-lifers in some of those seminar classes. Funny that now that I'm an atheist (back then I was a deist) I find myself sitting somewhere in the middle on the abortion issue.
I love when they can't hold the phone the right way so it keeps making the button tone.
My issue with Dan Patrick.
The point is that this guy is acting like he is trying to save lives when his real agenda is to close abortion clinics because of his religious beliefs.
If he stated his honest opinion there would be no doubt that he is trying to close clinics due to his religious beliefs.
So he obviously believes dishonesty is ok when doing the work of the lord, or he would be honest.
Loool @ truthhurts. Why is it when he calls in I always think of the guy that was suing over the bumper sticker? xD
Best line of the show
"you can explain how its a faulty analogy but stop using fallacy because you sound dumber" @50:01 Matt does a facepalm. EPIC!
@30:54 isn't this luke or john from that baptist church from a while ago that repeatedly calls in under different names
The "Truth Hurts" thing is supposed to be ironic lol righ!?! 😂
The Ledge looks great....can't wait to see it.
I'm surprised Don hadn't heard of the Family. They've received a good deal more attention than, say, the Westboro Baptist Church, although perhaps not recently.
i don't have an hour to watch the whole show...can someone tell me where the best bits are :)
You guys are awesome!
Great show! Thanks for posting.
twas Father's day in the UK that day too - Mother's Day is earlier in the UK, though - March, I think.
Matt 2 weeks in a row, this make me happy. ^_^
KNOW LIFE KNOW PAIN.
NO LIFE NO PAIN.
Mind=blown
I don't know about other countries. But here in Belgium, Father's day was last week.
51:34 I feel inspired with matt's happiness in this second!
Hie meant "in this world, but not of it" in case anyone is confused. 21:00.
Oh my God. Matt hung up on Jesus.
+spaveevo Why not? Matt didn't believe there was anyone on the line? No one on the line? You hang up. Natch.
+spaveevo And it's a good thing too, it's time for Jesus to get back to mowing my grass.
I love those full episodes :)
Today Christian ministers announced that Pokemon is a conspiracy to slip demons into churches. WTF!!
Yes,it was in a post by some crazy Christian preacher. I don't care about Pokemon enough to speak rumors. Get off your lazy butt and do a little bit of investigation.
You can find numerous videos right here on you tube where religious leaders have declared Pokemon to be satanic.
I'd have thought they would have been pleased. They'll usually do anything to try to get more folk through the door.
LOLOL. Demons indeed. Never ceases to amaze and astonish me. How on earth an educated, rational, educated, sober adult could possible manage to continue to swallow such fantastic, juvenile, superstitious claptrap.
I love Don's topics!
@Sines314 Yes, several people have brought this to my attention, I admit I did not think of it before, but you're right, it would be an absolute legal nightmare. Which got me wondering, are there other things that are illegal just because they would be almost impossible to configure laws around?
Try Numbers chapter 5 to get the full context read up to chapter 6. Then look again at 5:16-28. That whole scripture is a description of how to perform the abortion. verse 27 is particularly graphic: "when he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop, and the woman shall become an execration among her people."
always a good show guys ...do u base your idea of Atheism on Science, and what we know of the Planets,Galaxy and Universe?
Is Matt practising his Italian accent at 35:32?
"You have naarthing."
Haha!
RE: Polygamy
As Matt said that there is no reason "to exclude two loving people from engaging in the same union... solely on the basis of gender"
In the same way, I see no reason to exclude x number of loving people from engaging in the same union solely on the basis of numbers.
If 3 or more people want to join together in a group union, why not? (and I also don't care which gender any of those members are)
Father's Day in Thailand is celebrated on the King's birthday, so I always manage to forget when it's father's day in Canada (to wish my dad a happy day)
Do you suppose hell fire runs on natural gas or propane?
What song is it that plays at the beginning, i like it :P gotta download it
@88Keyz101 actually that is one of the keys to winning a debate. don't give the other person the chance to make a good point in an argument, while pointing out anything hypocritical problems in the the other's words.
lol @ that bill by Dan...
sentimental blackmail
Yh cheers :D i got it. This my fave song on the Atheist Experience :P
1)marriage is a contract of monogamy
2)The right of the people to contract is unlimited, Relative to consent.
any questions?
Is it tho? Does it actually say any where you can only fck your husband or wife? Marriage is a social contracts that allows 2 people to share stuff legally and have some other bonuses.
Holy shit I cracked up hard when he kept saying faulty analogy fallacy
@7:32..."rubbing the nose of the person getting an abortion into the fact that..Hey! You're killing something that is alive."
Aaaand in your mind this is a bad thing? I thought we atheists were all about speaking the truth of a matter regardless of the consequences or whose toes get stepped on...
_"Let justice be done though the heaven's fall."_
+BloodTar you're defining skepticism not atheism -_- atheism is a lack of belief in god. This doesn't mean you seek truth as you can still believe in ghosts and karma and all that. And yes i do think it's wrong to rub their noses that they're killing someone as you don't know their background or what happened so you have no right to impose your beliefs on them. It's not because you think it's wrong that it actually is. Because i think abortion isn't immoral by any means.
Socomhunter _"This doesn't mean you seek truth as you can still believe in ghosts and karma and all that."_
So your atheism isn't interested in truth? Really? You and I are definitely not on the same page because It seems that you don't have a lack of belief in god, you just don't want to believe in god because it might upset your apple cart. How can you not believe in god but at the same time believe in the spirit world and spiritual consequences? You can't have it both ways.
BloodTar Like i said, atheism has nothing to do with truth over the entire line and atheism simply is "lack of believe in god/deity" it doesn't say "lack of belief in the supernatural" that's simply how it is. It's a simple fact that matt also says numerous times in the show. You can, still believe in the supernatural but as long as you don't believe in a GOD then you're an atheist. Simple as that. If you believe in karma but not in a god, you're still simply an atheist, what you're thinking of is skepticism. Skepticism is not believing untill it's proven. I'm a skeptic atheist. And i don't "hate" god because i don't believe he exists. But at least i know what the terms mean, maybe you should learn them aswell if you're gonna label yourself with them. I refer you to these links: Atheism -> www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism , skepticism -> www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skepticism . So don't come around telling me i'm not a true atheist while you clearly don't understand what atheism actually means. You're a skeptic atheist just like me. But Atheist simply doesn't suffice if you don't believe in anything supernatural.
+Socomhunter Show me one video that Matt or any other host on The Atheist Experience has ever made where they say that believing in the supernatural (sprit world) is separate from believing in higher powers, god or any other kind of spiritual entity. Do you think the spiritual world is governed by anarchy? Sorry, but if the spiritual world exists then so does someone or something that is in charge of it. You're contradicting your atheism if you believe that you can have your spiritual world without a god....they're inseparable.
By the way, all atheists by default are skeptics so there's no need for you to search for some new label to pin on me or yourself.
BloodTar spirits & gods are not the same, don't try to confuse your world beliefs into the word atheist because it simply doesn't mean what you think it means. you want me to point out where they say it? I can search the video but i can also give you their website where they explain what atheism actually means. www.atheist-community.org/faq/#atheism_is_religion look at the last line of that question where is says atheism is about not believing in GOD(S). Not believing in ghosts, karma and whatever else is called SKEPTICISM. Stop confusing your own beliefs with the actual definitions of words. I'm not confusing anything, you're the one being confused, you clearly have no idea what the term atheism means. Theism = belief in god, Atheism means not believing in a god. Simple as that,
Being from OK, I winced when this guy said he was from OKC, but I was pleasantly surprised by this guy
53:30 - 53:50 pretty much the answer that should be given to every caller on this show
"i was told i should shuffle papers in the dead time to look more official" that was funny
@end: lol I think they ripped paper @ the end omg, I lov this show
They don't go to Threadgulls anymore?
Don Baker's laugh is pure gold!
He reminds me of Letterman.
I love The Atheist Experience, very informing if looked at through intellectual eyes, keep up the good work....namaste
@octavoch in ancient roman times when they hid in secret passageways, navigating through catacombs
@Renface82 i agree, really wanted to hear matt scream at him but im not sure he realized it was the same guy.
The question should be-when did ignorance become a virtue?
really? where did you get this information? sources?
Power, military, allies, commitment, does not care a lot about the debt (spending money to get more connections, lessen threats and get resources) currently, resources, and then history.
Thanks for speaking up for women's right.
"Oh, I should shuffle pappers. I was told I should shuffle papers." LOL!
I only see two one-line comments from him. What terminology should we not be using?
I just love all the men in America who feel they can dictate to women what they should do or think. Don is so right! No one seems to care what happens to the child AFTER birth! I certainly don't see a lot of help raising the children in question. What happens to a single mom who already has 2 or more kids and is fighting every day to try to stay alive? Ever think of that?
Bottom line - Abortion is acceptable in life threatening situations for the mother and in case of rape. Any other reason is simply a case of irresponsibility between either the mother, father or both. A women using abortion as a form of birth control is NOT her taking control over her body. It's the clearest case of her not taking control and RESPONSIBILITY for her own actions. If you believe otherwise you might as well become a Christian because the same flawed view of reality is required.
Yes Matt, you need to shuffle paper at the end of each episode ;)
:p
Who sings the theme tune. Sound hound doesn't know it
It is "Listen to Reason" by Bryan Steeksma. Links may be found in the description. Thanks for watching!
@Brandonjaf I think I'd be repeatedly hitting my head against the desk after the first call.
there needs to be a requirement that callers can actually talk coherently.
"[...] the Bible says men are stronger than women... and they are!"
I literally lol'd (and nearly exploded).
Not stalking, I read through the comments of these videos because I find them interesting and I came across yours and expressed confusion. Your intention in using those words was unclear and your reason for using those words as stated in the previous video was 'frustration' not ' to put his hatred in perspective' Use logic rather than words that have shock value to get your point across. Btw i'm not trying to call you out as racist
Well a friend's sister who lives in Ireland was forced to have a stillborn child because of abortion laws. She had to carry to term a child she knew was going to come out dead. The doctor she had was not allowed to help her as laws prevented him from doing so. But he left her a pamphlet for abortion clinics in England.
A true waste would be telling someone that all they would ever have, is really not for them, and to have an organization that tells people to hand over all they will ever know for a promise of payment. To tell people that the only show in town, is only preparation for eternity, and have finite creatures waste the little time for a forever that has never been seen, proven, or likely. You are preparing for forever that will never come, and I will live while I am living.
@theatheistexperience You're in danger of having me just tune in to listen to Evolved Atheist - I haven't laughed that hard in ages. This show was as funny as the last. Ha ha ha. Wonderful stuff.
What link? I think i found the song anyway dw :)
"The Lord gives you certainty"
lol I can hear Don laughing in the background
Yes the certainty that people will be in a state of delusional flux
Sounds rough, stray strong and move out of that place when you are able to do so are my thoughts..
@kevycanavan: I don't think it's Matt's fault, Don just isn't eloquent enough to keep up with him.
Pampers; we're right BEHIND you! LOL
Because shit happens...lol
It's in the video description above. Click show more. The song is 'Listen To Reason' by Bryan Steeks , /bryansteeksma You can't post full links in the comments. :)
I love Don's face during TruthHurts' call.
I love you forever for doing a show in drag.
Caller at the end seems to confuse with what is in the law is automatically ethical or something.
@13:45: lol!!! omg, wait a minute, my sides hurt! :D this guy rocks
Barker, you´re looking into the wrong camera..
Lou from Oklahoma sounded so nice. I hope he manages to get more support for his anti-drinking message
love Don's laugh
Someone make a t-shirt that says "faulty analogy fallacy" !
@playgrrrr
In polyandrous/polygamous marriages, the status of the wo/man isn't individuated. The dominant partner, whether it be woman or man, the axis upon which the marriage revolves, is married to more than one person. It doesn't matter if the particular acts of marriage - the rituals - only included two people, the "being" married in polygamous marriages involves more than two. And since *no one* has the right to be married to multiple people, it can't be analogous.
@jrcahill2-I would like to see a secular approach to the issue of abortion from the Pro-Life side.
You don't see one because there are no good arguments prior to at least the third trimester (23rd-24th week) when the portions of the brain form that make experiencing pain (in a rudimentary way) possible. And even then we aren't talking about a person with memories, relationships, and rights that would outweigh those of the mother.
@sunfireThu When everything and everyone you know is stuck in one gum wrapper, it's hard to quit chewing :( I have a lot of hope for Mark from Stone Church, I have lived through his fears. Walking away from a life steeped in religion is one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life.
Perhaps his dad is also his uncle?
the difference between a cult and a religion is, that in a cult the founder still lives
Poor Matt. He looks like he needs a hug by the end of this.