The Atheist Experience 750 with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris
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- The Atheist Experience 750 for February 26, 2012 with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:48- Intro & Announcements - Matt Dillahunty
04:49- Matt and Tracie discuss a funny note
16:33- William (caller from last week): is having child preachers child abuse
21:51- Eric (theist): suggests the hosts debate weak theists, wants to debate Matt Dillahunty, something can't come from nothing
41:44- RJ (atheist): African-American churches promoting intolerance, supporting progressive theists
50:58- Dominik (atheist): trouble reading the Bible because it is so ridiculous, attacking evolution does not demonstrate God is real
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Eric is the greatest debater in his own mind.
He thinks he is undefeatable.
And couldn’t get past point 1 of his 7 premises.
When Eric said that his premises were "brainless," he was spot on.
I love how Tracie always has a big smile on her face the whole show.
Before this show, when a Christian would ask me "Why don't you believe in God?" I didn't know where to even begin, because there are so many reasons. Now, thanks to TAE, I'm able to explain my point of view and the most crucial points of my argument in an informed and quick manner. Thanks to everyone at TAE!
so eric never manages to prove his first premises which topples all his others! lol
unit 003 yeah Eric’s work is sloppy
I really love the way Tracie laughs during these calls.
I can't believe Matt put up with that know-it-all Eric for as long as he did...
Awwww poor Eric got his balls kicked off lol
33:58 At this point Eric starts stumbling and bumbling for the rest of the conversation - stymied after his first premise
I have severe disabilities and brain damage and even I could tell where Eric was going wrong....wish I was as pretty as tracie, and as brave as Matt. Have been an atheist for four months now, and it was great to start thinking for myself. Christianity kept me chained in my wheelchair, now I am free to enjoy the life I have instead of wasting it dreaming about the next one. Atheists experience rocks!
Matt and Tracie are the perfect duo and are a joy to watch!
I love how the caller tried to get Matt to agree with him by telling him that he was a reasonable intelligent person.
Tracie does'nt get enough of a say when she is on with Matt. She has a lot of good points to make.
Shes the best host/co-host thats ever been on the show.
Some people are so unconcerned with the truth they can't even see past their myths
I love how Eric called in with what he thought was an iron clad argument, but could not even get passed the first point.
Matt is one of my heroes! I love that guy!
Eric is one of the children that Kramer was dominating in the Dojo.
That “i wanna debate” guy got intellectually spanked with a 2-ton pizza paddle.
Aaah that silence part was amazing :D
The horrible thing is that he probably thought that he won that debate.
Tracie Harris is one of the best co-hosts! She is amazing! :D
27:40 Matt's face regarding Eric's debate proposition is priceless, it's like he's already thinking about the oncoming slaughter that is coming
And that was the day that Eric found out that he wasn't actually as clever as he thought he was.
Don't think so. Eric Lounsbery has no interest in being questioned. In his "debate" with George Smith, he was allowed to rattle off his seven premises and a bunch of other garbage before Smith could respond. He's a Gish Galloper. That's the problem with standard forensic debate formats; one side can lie their ass off and the other side doesn't have enough time to debunk all of them.
I love you guys/ladies! You've tought me so much about the laws of logic and critical thinking. Thank you!
Wow! Eric is an insufferable blow-hard. Matt didn't hang up on him soon enough!
If you don't have time to listen to the whole thing, Eric comes on at 21:55. Of course, it may very well be that "something" can come from "nothing", as at the quantum level there is real evidence that quark pairs pop into existence all the time within the vacuum of space. However, we don't actually know that the vacuum of space is actually "nothing".
kragseven Eric = Mark???? Holy Crap. The soap opera just gets weirder and weirder. I dunno, though. Mark had a reedy voice. Eric is very bassy. Don't know that a voice that deep could "lighten up" that much. And there are lots of guesses on these threads that "Joe" is also "Stotch"...or whatever.
So...is this your conjecture? Or is there backup?
Plus...holy crap again. They say give one quick point. He says he has seven...but they're real quick and easy to agree with. He makes his point, has a hard time accepting their objection. But eventually does concede that he understands the logic 101 concept that if I don't accept x is false, I am not necessarily asserting that x is true.
And even then, 10 more minutes showing he doesn't grasp that. He kept asserting that Matt WAS claiming x was true. SO frustrating. THAT is why I had to bail 15 min or so into the debate they finally did.
Dominik from Switzerland as the last caller was MUCH needed♥️
31:23 Matt: "...Jousting back and forth about nothing..."
Little does he know... >.>
That debate was painful to hear. When you cannot even assess your first point, because it is an assumption you cannot possibly back up, you have to expect that the opponent can assume you are wrong.
Eric is very angry...needlessly...
Foolish, overconfident and sorely ignorant.
Your show is great....thanks for everything ..its nice to finally see more people opening their minds...
Matt and Tracie, my favorite host combo.
By the way, Tracie and Matt, you completely roasted that Eric Lounsbery guy. It's very satisfying to hear him squirm and ooze around the point, trying everything to avoid having to accept that the most straightforward application of logic precludes his very first assumption. Almost as satisfying as if he'd demonstrated enough intellectual honesty to admit it.
@37:10
Tracie with the mic drop. Nice.
cause she's a freakin badass
Matt's a slick guy.. he can debate any one and simply destroy them
It would appear that something can come from nothing such as virtual particles in Quantum mechanics. They do not last long but their lack of longevity does not negate their existence.
JOHN MENUIS we can't say they come from nothing. if there are more dimensions or a multiverse they could he created there and leak into our area of space and time. therefore they could come from something and we're unable to see their origin. I'm not being a smartass; just trying to get you to ponder the possibility.
@ScarletLetter3a I am glad you liked that. I walk a unique path as an atheist in the military
That 21:51 caller... Thank you Tracie for saying repeatedly the same thing I was yelling at my monitor.
I have a feeling that people who say “there are no atheist in foxholes have never been in a foxhole”.
During Desert Storm while we were planning for a landing on the Kuwaiti coast, I was in several planning meetings in the wardroom on an LST. I looked at all the photos and maps of the beach head and all the obstacles. Obstacles are anti-tank mines, wire, tank traps, trenches to stop our Amtraks. It looked pretty scary and I wondered if I was going to get off that beach. But the landing was canceled and we ended up landing in Saudi Arabia and traveled north to Kuwait City airport.
Long story short, I never cried out to God begging him to save me.
I've noticed that Christian apologists HAVE
to be dishonest.
When someone says "I'll pray for you", RUN!!!!
~ Seven years later and I still am smh over "religious" people that still are thinking and criticizing and debating about what consenting adults do in the bedroom. Thank you, Matt and Tracie, for rational thought and this video. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
saying "something cannot come from nothing therefore there had to be a god to be the first cause to make something come into existence" assumes that there was a point when there was "nothing"
It's interesting, when theists criticize Krauss' nothing they expect the philosophical nothing--the nothing that our words are unable to describe. But when they describe nothing, it's nothing PLUS a bunch of celestial baggage. "When there was nothing, there was only a space-less timeless intelligent being."
bionikspoon I just feel like wanting them to stop and answer one simple question:
"Can you demonstrate that there is such a thing as "spaceless, timeless" anything?"
@Morkindie So true. He doesn't get flustered, he gets focused.
Wow, that was just... embarrassing. I was literally covering my face at times during Eric's call. I mean, I don't consider myself the sharpest knife in the drawer, and even I understood Matt and Tracie's debate-ending point the first time they explained it. I can't believe this guy, an 'experienced debater', did not also understand. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit. Or maybe, like Matt said, he was being intellectually dishonest.
"I don't think that's dishonest at all Matt" => *CLICK*
HAHAHAHA :D
Absolutely fantastic move :D
42:42 Matt´s subtile humor is very funny
Thank you for making the calls into links - very helpful!
What is this little game some apologists do with saying your name over and over? I've heard this a couple times now and they end up sounding like guys who just had a week of sales training.
OK it was frustrating but it was very cool indeed... hat's off to Matt and Tracie!! Good points!
Eric did get his debate with Matt. I watched a chunk of it. Had to bail. Brain ache. But no, Eric didn't clean his clock.
Whoh? It DID happen? I would be willing to further liquefy my already-watery brain listening to that. It will be a test of mental fortitude. Can you direct my search towards finding that clip?
RyanCFoster Can't recall, but search here for debate Dillahunty and...Loundesberry? Or whatever his name. Or just first 2 terms and do visual scan. I think thumb shows Matt at pc in his house. Good luck.
Bruce Baker Thank you, Mr. Baker. I found it. You called the pic correctly and the name was Lounsbery... you got me close enough to the target. Much obliged, sir.
RyanCFoster You're ...welcome? Or...my condolences? Did you make it thru? How bad was it? On a scale of -10 to harmonica.
Bruce Baker Hahaha. Condolences? Well, not yet. I got about 20 minutes into it, through Eric's intro of his position... but I was at work and work ended, so to be continued... Matt was warming up...
Tracie is bomb. She makes me proud to be an atheist and constantly engage in arguments with creationists.
39:30 - That is pure pwnage right there... Love you Tracie!
lol ten seconds of dead air from the caller
For those interested, apparently these are Eric's 7 points, taken from a debate he did with Dan Barker:
1. Something cannot come from nothing.
2. Something exists.
3. Something must be eternal.
4. The universe is not eternal.
5. Whatever is eternal transcends the universe.
6. Whatever it is that is eternal from premise 3, it also has to be omnipotent. (No effect can be greater than its cause.)
7. Whatever is eternal is of supreme intelligence.
I seriously cried while listening to the second caller.
Something can't come from nothing... except for an all-powerful, all-knowing, omniscient being that exists outside of time and space. Yeah, that makes sense.
Cant wait to watch the debate
It's called projection, ya'all.
Tracie is totally right in her remark about creationists never providing any evidence themselves. I've never experienced any differently, and I've had a lot of experience.
Well done @theatheistexperience , the best show in ages. Laughed my socks of at Eric. Good team in Tracie and Matt.
when somebody says, "hey, I'll pray for you" say, "hey, I'll reason or you"
LOVE IT! A new show with Tracie in it!!!
39:40 dead silence ......priceless.
I liked that during the long pause, even the crew started yelling "Hello?!"
I home school my son and am atheist. It is not the only reason, but we did choose this in part because of the lack of secular teaching and harassment by the religious (teachers included) in our local public school. I do not want to condemn the entire school here as there are some wonderful people there, but it was a substantial problem for my son and we are very happy with this alternative. We did find a program that is accredited by our state college, and the options are virtually endless.
About the Note: I'm a member of FTO in Amarillo and a student at WT. I attended the debate with my Christian daughter. We weren't able to stay and talk because of her late-pregnancy discomfort, but she had a comment she wanted to make to each of the speakers; so she gave Matt and Abdu a copy of the same note. FTO's message board said the beginning of this episode was about the debate. Irony abounds! I laughed and called her to come see her note on TV in Austin! She got a kick out of it. Thanks!
Silent moments are deafening... what are we even talking about indeed tracie!
Man, I would've LOVED to have Jeff Dee be there for Eric's call. Jeff would've gone ballistic.
I think Matt and Tracy are my favorite pair, they balance eachother well.
I was at the WTAMU debate, and I'll give Matt the vote, although his opponent (and most theists present) didn't seem to get the point. One silly thing that Abdu said--we have inalienable rights (e.g. freedom from slavery), even if they can be taken away. Matt tried to get him to clarify how those rights could be "inalienable," with no luck.
It was nice to finally see you in person, Matt.
@orionth51 "Do not try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and it annoys the pig..." Lmao that made my day.
Aww this reminds me of the brief period of time that Eric Lounsbery was relevant.
@Evirthewarrior thank you for your service, sir/maam
thats my favorite question, because it makes theists admit that what they have just tried to claim is bullshit, and the most beautiful part, they don't even realize! its a beautiful moment when they shoot down their own argument and be satisfied that they have just evaded ur trap. a 2yr old couldn't fall into that
39:35 ? Is that the sound of the penny dropping?
Theists A&B: Why is there anything? Something can't come from nothing, therefore god. (Implied: before there was something, there was "absolute" nothing.)
Skeptic: Then where did god come from?
Theist A: God has always existed.
Skeptic: That negates the argument that "absolute" nothing was the starting point.
Theist B: God created herself.
Skeptic: That negates the argument that something can't come from nothing.
Another failure double-header.
YES! My favorite hosts! Haven't watched the show yet but I know it's gonna be good! Time to get comfy!
i've seen the "eric" call seven times now. i wish this show was longer!
This is such a cool show. God is an amazing concept for which humans ascribe total power and zero responsibility. It seems strange to me that there are still so many who believe without evidence. For such an abstract belief so much blood has been spilled demonstrates that we as a species still have far to travel.
I would love to see Mat debate. He is like the Hulk, but instead of getting stronger and dumber, He becomes more focused and critical. Like a chainsaw, he gets more destructive (to the opponents argument) as you rev him up.
The intro theme song is great, Thomas Best - perfectly fitting the show's overall message.
Indeed - some Physicists think that time began with the big bang so the notion that there even was a "before" might render the question nonsensical.
That was the most entertaining thing I have seen in ages!
That guy got his ass handed to him sooooo bad.
If someone says "I'll pray for you", I respond with "You do that, I'll think for both of us..."
If say they will pray for you, do the right thing and think for them
@Stairc I deliberately avoided any suggestion about 'winning'. I think that votes at the end of a debate are of no use at all, unless you know the opinion of the audience beforehand. Debates are not a useful forum for determining the best argument.
RJ, what a breath of fresh air after Eric's call.
"I'm sure you'll agree with every one of them." It's so funny when Christians think there are arguments we haven't heard before.
So ladies and gentlemen, shall we take a vote to see who won the mini-debate?
Wow, you sound like a real nice, happy person. Glad that religion is working for you.
I love how Tracie is sitting there smiling. So cute! :D
39:30
Tracie, you are awesome. You should put a little graphic of tumbleweed blowing across the screen when he goes silent.
I'd debate Eric. He would lose horribly, but it would be awesome to see it happen
lol,I wonder Tracies jaw dont hurt from that constant smiling. In every episode where she participattes she has a smile from ear to ear non stop :)
Well done. I really like this.
Ah yes, that's what I meant. It's been awhile since my astronomy course, so I couldn't remember the proper term for what I was talking about. Thanks!
25:04 - 25:16 lmao. Tell 'em, Matt. I love Tracie cracking up.
@RoDJ99 Responding to "I'll pray for you" I like the response "I'll think for you."
This Eric guy sounds like he might be on medication, I mean he's really amped up.
Great show. Well done matt