Comparing .41 Magnum vs .44 Magnum velocities
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Today Halfmilesniper is comparing .41 Magnum vs .44 Magnum velocities.
The .41 Mag will be firing 175 gr Winchester Silver Tip (duty ammo) while the .44 Mag will be firing some standard Federal 240 gr JHP.The Federal box lists the .44's velocity at 1250 FPS, the Silver Tip box has no velocity listed.
Love my 41 mag S&W
Same here...wish I would have gotten a Model 58 way back then too...you know, just to round out a set.
@Halfmilesniper that's what I got, model 58.
@@chadcrader7542 nice
When I was stationed at Fort Wainwright Alaska I had a 41 magnum loved it!
The Model 57 became my favorite handgun very quickly. I went with me on every hunt.
Those are some sweet revolvers!
Thank you. I do like the big old N Frames and Magnum cartridges.
@@Halfmilesniper I only have a tiny bit experience with the 500 magnum and one day I got to shoot the BFR in 45-70 and 30-30. Those both are etched in memory! Funny though, neither had the recoil of the 500 or 460!
Cool channel, just subbed.
Thanks for the sub! I really appreciate that. I try to do a live premiere whenever a new video goes up. Hope you can make it one day.
Yes! I would love to see that! We need more 41 mag videos! I own a model 657 in 6” barrel!
Hope to have it up soon
@@Halfmilesniper Picked up a beautiful Blued Model 57,6 inch barrel, about a year ago on a gun auction site . The manufacture date from S&W is between 1975 / 1976. This .41 Magnum is in almost new condition, and needless to say I was really impressed when I unboxed it at my local FFL Dealer ! Having put about 100 rounds ( Underwood 210.gr )through it since I received it, I have to say that it is one of the most accurate S&W Large frame revolvers that have ever owned. This .41 Magnum, will stay in my collection. Keep the videos coming, great job !
@@garyallard8132 The Model 57 and 58 are a couple unsung revolver heros in the S&W line. They were great sellers in the day but have achieved sort of a cult status now. I love my 4 inch, it is a great shooting gun. Thanks for watching I really appreciate it.
Never sell the 657, they stop making years ago. I got mine in 1995 and polished it to a mirror finish. Now all you can get is the Model 57 in blue or nickel but not in stainless anymore.
@@alfonsorodriguez6437 No, that was my first handgun, I bought it in 1989! I would never sell it!
There are several different manufacturers that have made .41 magnums over the years.. S & W made the 57, 657 and the 58. Charter arms made a model 74210 which was discontinued after a few years. Someone who had the Charter Arms said that it was uncomfortable to shoot. Taurus made a 41 Magnum. Ruger makes the .41in the Blackhawk. Ruger made the .41in a RedHawk for a couple years and they are considered rare. United Sporting Arms (US Arms) who is no longer around made the Single action Seville, in 41magnum. US Arms was making their guns in Tombstone, and then moved their operation to Tucson and it was sold and a company who moved it to the NorthEast and they went out of business. The US Arms frame was more stout than the BlackHawk. It was comparable to the Super BlsackHawk. All of their Large Caliber pistols were made on the same frame. I heard US Arms, got sued by Ruger, due to the transfer bar system that they were using and they had financial difficulties. US Arms, made their pistols in both Blue and Stainless.
I knew all of the S&W .41 Mag models, and I knew about Ruger's offerings but didn't know about all those others...wow, still learning everyday.
After a very rememberable encounter with a black bear, I decided a backup sidearm might be prudent. But on my college student budget I couldn't find a 44 magnum or even a decent 357 magnum. Then I happened onto a mid 80's 6 inch barreled, blue 41 magnum. I carried that till the end of graduate school and then I gave it to my Father. Wish still had it. Thanks for the comparison video.
My .41 Magnum is one of, if not my very favorite pistols. It has always been my hunting companion just in case there is a close enough encounter that I can take a deer with the pistol.
Why would you not be able to reobtain that gun from your father???
@@donaldcope4982 My Father's second wife.
@@jamesbromstead4949 I had to hit "like" on this because my Dad's second wife is/was just like yours...really had to fight to get a few items when he passed, wrote off the rest as just gone.
Both calibers are a handful!!!!!!!
They sure can be, especially when loaded hot, lol. Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
Noticed that you had to do a grip reset after each .44 round, but not the .41. 😉
I think that grip reset has something to do with the factory wood grips. My .41 has a nice set of Pachmayr presentation grips, they help absorb recoil. The wood, well, not so much, LOL
@@Halfmilesniper Thanks for the info...
In the late 1970s, a friend of mine had a brace of all three Smith magnums in their presentation cases: the 27, the 29, and the 57, all with the rich Smith blueing. My .44 is a 4-inch Taurus (magna-ported, so it's loud but comfortable), my .41 is a 6.5-inch Blackhawk, my .357s are Ruger Security Six (4-inch), Ruger New Vaquero (5.5-inch), and S&W 60-15 (3-inch). If you had compared the 210-grain .41s to the 240-grain .44s, the difference would have been closer (in recoil), since weight factors more than speed. I admire you for shooting your DAs in double-action; I need to convert to that, and shoot them as they were designed. Thank you for sharing. Be safe, and happy shooting!
Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it. I agree it would have been better to compare the 210s to the 240s, but all I had was duty ammo available. If I come across any more factory 210 .41 Mag I'll take a second stab at this.
Shooting doub;e action give you so much control over the shot, I prefer shooting double action and only occasionally will I shoot single action.
Too bad this round never became more popular in the mainstream. It has been on the endangered list for quite a while now
So true. There were a couple police departments that chose the Model 58 for a duty weapon but it was a very small fraction. Even the US Border Patrol considered it in the early 80s.
The .41 Silvertip load is made for personal defense and is not loaded to the full potential. The standard 210 grain loads from Federal and Remington average 1250 from a 4" 57 and recoil only a little less than the 240 .44s from a 4" 29...
My favorite centerfire revolver is the 4" S&W
.41 Magnum.
Those .41 Mag Silver Tips were "duty" ammo...well, would have been if my Agency had actually gone with the .41. I love my 4 inch Model 57...
@@Halfmilesniper I was with Dallas PD back in the 1970s and 80s and carried both a M57 and M58 for a couple of years... When I was a rookie the guy who had the locker next to mine took out a guy who tried to kill him with a M58...
@@robertmakowski7808 I remember that San Antonio PD issued the Model 58 back then. It was probably late 70s or so that the Border Patrol was considering the .41 mag.
Got the same .41 Magnum. Love it.
Love my Model 57...bought it during the time that Dirty Harry made getting a Model 29 next to impossible. Thanks for watching!
Thank you the video you just made me realize why I love and pick the 41 magnum you’re only looking at about 13 to 17 fps faster no big deal and I can tail there’s a big difference in recoil in the .44 vs the 41 mag I’ll take the 41 any day over the 44. Thanks for the video.
I am glad you enjoyed this, I really appreciate you watching, Thank you!
I just read not too log ago that Dirty Harry was supposed to use a .41 Magnum. Imagine how popular the .41 would have been. It have outsold the .44 magnum and would have been almost impossible to buy at the time.
I can't remember, but I may have said it in this video...I know I said it in real life, lol...I went to the store intent on getting a Dirty Harry Magnum, none to be found because everyone wanted one but they had the Model 57 in .41 Mag...close enough, lol. I snagged that and ended up being very happy with it. So much so that it was probably 30 years before I added my first Model 29 to the mix, lol.
They both perform great. I've got both calibers and love 41 & 44 magnums.
Wow the 44 sure rocked that steel a lot harder than the 41! 😲
Yes it did.
I love my 41 mag S&W model 58 had it for many years still fires flawless Be Safe and God Bless 👍🎅
While I really love my Model 57, I do kick myself in the butt for never snagging a Model 58 as well. Those S&W N Frames are great guns.
@@Halfmilesniper yes sir they are mine was a sheriff trade in back in the 80's
Both great calibers. I kinda wonder how much difference it would make if you had used standard 210 grain .41 magnum. Have had both and really loved the .41 better because of the lower recoil. Thanks for not trying to prove which is the best caliber, just, in my opinion, showing that both are a great choice for big bore handguns.
I had wanted to use the 210 grain .41 Mag but didn't have any avaiable so I reverted back to old duty ammo. I am still looking for some LSWC 210 grain ammo. Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
Too bad you didn’t get your hands on the Winchester 41 mag 240gr loads
It would have been pretty cool to find some of that Winchester. 41 Mag ammo. I remember shooting some pretty stiff recoiling stuff way back when I bought this gun but can't recall just what it was. It definitely got your attention when you pulled the trigger.
@@Halfmilesniper
I have some hand loads for my Ruger Redhawk 41 mag with 270 & 300 gr flat tip soft points. They get your attention and really penetrate.
@Shane696 sound spicy...that's why they have Ruger only loads listed. Not sure a Model 57 or 58 could handle too many of those, lol
Talk about being embarrassed 😱
LOL, not the first time I have jerked the trigger...and I guarantee it's not the last. But yes, a little embarrassing to do it on camera.
Great video buddy I enjoyed it all a lot. Be safe and GOD BLESS
Thank you Randle, glad you enjoyed it.
Great group from the 41
Except for in one I jerked hard on the steel...lol
44 was more consistent. My 58-1 is a tack driver. Run a lot of PMC through it, but it's never been more hard to find. My little sister knocked down a bull elk with that thing.
Mt 57 has been my hunting companion ever since I got it...of course once I started bringing it I never had a deer come in close enough for a pistol shot.
So you've used your same model .41 Magnum in similar settings with similar ammunition and has better consistency with the .44 Magnum?
Or did you use different models and different loads?
I just want to know that we aren't talking apples to oranges... or, at least your tests were as close as possible to similarity.
@@Whatifimcurious the closest I could make was 215 gr semi-wad for the .41 and a 240 gr semi-wad for the .44. That and the fact that my 57 is blued while my 29 is nickle. For me I shoot the .41 Mag a little tighter than the .44 Mag.
I can say that the 175 gr Winchester Silver Tips do pack a bit of recoil, which will leave your hand buzzing after shooting about 75, LOL
@@Halfmilesniperthe .41 magnum is just inherently more accurate than a 44 magnum just in the same way as a 38 special is more accurate than the 357 magnum. You will also find that a 44 special is also more accurate than a 44 magnum it’s just the way it is, the diameter of the 41 is .410 and the .44 is .429 diameter that is part of it. The reason that lady loved hunt with a model 58 in 4” barrel she knew where the gun was hitting.the cartridge is accurate in matter what you shoot it in!
@@HalfmilesniperLyman makes a beautiful bell shape cast bullet for it as well it cycles beautifully and in a Marlin 1894
Good morning Halfmile! 1st!🤘🏽🍻
Good morning to you too 😊
That 44 mag has a heck of a wallop to it, never seen or shot a 41 mag before. Nice shooting halfmile, thanks for sharing.
The .44 when the wood grips are on does sting a little...you do hear me express a little how it felt, LOL. The .41 shoots so much smoother. Glad you liked it.
41 silvertip is a light load
I will agree with that, but our qualification course was 72 rounds (still is with the semi-auto) and I'm here to say that after 72 175gr Silver Tips your hands were buzzing.
The 41magnum is Flatter shooting, Ballistically superior and will out penetrate a 44 magnum. I would take a 41 magnum over a 44 magnum any day of the week.
I fully agree with you Gee plus there is the added benefit of reduced felt recoil. That is always a plus. Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
The .41M is not superior to the .44, it just exhibits less recoil.
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ballistically it all depends on how each is loaded. going by the manual a 180gr 44 can be loaded faster than a 170 41, and a 240gr 44 can be loaded within 50fps of a 210gr 41, but with much more energy. the sd is within 3-5 1000ths on average, some a little more, but none enough to make a difference.
the 41 advantage is a little less recoil at comparative velocities and weights.
the 44 advantage is bullet weight selection and much heavier.
both can be loaded down for more comfortable shooting.
i shoot a 7½ super redhawk so the recoil is very manageable even with heavy loads
@@boedude8496 Most people who own .41magnums reload to obtain different loads than are available. At one time there were only 2 different manufactured loads available. Now there are more than 2 bullet weights available for hand loaders. Plus there are some lead free bullets to satisfy the environmental wackos.
I have a .41 mag Ruger Super Blackhawk which I handload for.
The cylinder is almost 1/8" longer than the OAL specified for the cartridge, and I seat bullets out to fill the cylinder, in order to create more powder capacity without compressing the powder.
I still have not fired any loads that show primer flattening and I'm getting 1500 FPS from a 5-1/2" barrel with 210 gr bullets and 2400, Lil'Gun and H110 powder.
That's higher velocity than I get with 170 gr bullets that are specified length.
Just mentioning this for anyone who shoots a .41 Ruger SBH.
Have plans to experiment further in coming weeks, to reach max loads
Nice, sounds like an interesting load. Thank you for specifying these loads are for a Ruger Super Blackhawk, with the numbers of new shooters as well as new reloaders we all have to do our part to help the new folks understand that what works in one gun may not be suitable for a different make. I am interested in your continued max load experiment.
@@Halfmilesniper I'm not sure whether the S&W has a cyl that's long enough to accomodate handloads that are longer than the specified COAL for the .41
I didn't mention charge weight for any of those loads but they were all about 95% filled for each powder and primers were not flattened after firing.
I started doing that because where i live in CA, lead-free bullets need to be used for hunting and a Barnes all copper 180 gr bullet is about the same length as a 240 gr .41 cal lead bullet.
Seating a bullet that long into the case eats up case capacity and it seemed like the obvious solution is to seat it out as far as the cyl allows.
So the experiment just evolved from there.
Thanks for the feedback! Have a good weekend!
@@bertkilborne6464 I try to avoid mentioning charge weights as well, but in one video I tried blurring out the label but it was visible for a brief moment. This was on my experimental load using Clay's. Fortunately they turned out to be super powder puffs, lol.
I'd like to recommend 800 mg of ibuprofen or a single malt or Ruger Blackhawk with over-molded Hogue grips . . . or ? Good video. You're correct as those grips look great but are not meant for comfort.
I did shoot a full qualification with this gun and these Silver tips once...72 rounds (that is what our qual course fired) lol, my hands were buzzing for several hours.
@@Halfmilesniper I think that really you're a fullmilesniper
Why didnt you use the same weight bullets?
That is a good question...mainly because I used what I had available...plenty of 240 gr .44 Mag ammo and a supply of .41 Mag 175 gr Silvertips. I do have some 210 gr Lead Semi Wadcutter for the .41, but I couldn't locate them at the time I filmed this. Secondly, unless you are buying specialty or boutique ammo, the majority of the .41 Mag ammo will be 210 gr to 215 gr.
The first thing I do whenever I buy a Smith is give Herrett’s a call so I can ditch whatever factory grips came on it.
I have a couple N Frames that are wearing Hogue wooden finger groove grips. Those are very comfortable.
The old standard Winchester 41 mag ammo 🤣 I've got handloads and some buffalo bore stuff making 2280 fps makes a 44 look like a 25 ACP 🤣 I have a limited edition 29 classic 44 mag #35 of 500 il trade you even up for that model 57 I've never seen a blued one I collect 41 mags
That is almost a tempting offer but I already have 3 Model 29s and only one Model 57, bought it when you couldn't find a Model 29 thanks to Dirty Harry. That 57 has been my constant hunting companion and I always have my eye out for a Model 58 so my 57 can have a roommate.
Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
I have several model 29 and model 57 that I collected. My main takeaway is where did you find a model 57 4" ? Never seen one for sale.
Well, to be honest it was a small gun shop in Spring, TX in about 1982. Dirty Harry had all the Model 29s in short supply, LOL and they had this very nice, brand new Model 57 in the wooden box. I jumped and have been smiling ever since. Someday I will find a nice condition Model 58 for a companion gun. Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
You lucky dog, 41 mag 4in mod 57 that one of the ones when I leave this state is on the top of list. I have a 41 long colt was Granddad, and fathers (he s 98).
I've always been a sucker for a 4 inch gun, while I have other barrel lengths the majority of my wheelguns are 4 inchers. I think my .41 Mag is my favorite big bore.
I had a chance to buy a 41 magnum one time it was a S&W like yours but the barrel was longer.
The Model 57 came in several barrel lengths - 4", 6" and 8" (might be 8 3/8"). Most seem to be fitted with a 6" barrel, but I like 4" revolvers the best.
1260 is not bad at all a 4” model 57
Not at all...I think many miss the fact this is only a 4 inch barrel, LOL.
Other than some .22LR/Mag revolvers I have two Ruger SP101 in .357 Mag. One is a 2.25" spurless hammer model and is double-action only. The other is a 4.20" with adjustable fiber optic sights. I prefer to shoot the 4" in single action and noticed that you only shot your S&W in double action. Is that your preference? Either way, you shot them well in DA and at that distance. I should do a velocity difference between a 4.20" barrel and a 16" barrel from a Rossi lever action in 357 mag. I could also do the same with a 40 S&W as i have a carbine in this too. Great video and thanks again.
I shoot my DA revolvers double action 98% of the time, probably from too many years of carrying a revolver on duty. Check out my video on PPC practice, everything is fired double action, even the 50 yard line.
With practice, you can shoot a double action revolver as accurately, or more so, than single action.
Thats pretty weak by .41 magnum standards and not a good representation of what the cartridge is capable of.
I agree but it is the factory ammo I had available...somewhere I have some of the 175 gr Winchester silver tip that was going to be our duty ammo if we went to the .41 Mag.
@@Halfmilesniper I hate the fact that ammo manufacturers ruin great cartridges like they do with piss poor ammo performance. I've owned 2 .41 mags going on 30 years and when I bought it 170-180 grain bullets were coming close to 1400 from my Blackhawk and well over 1300 from my 4" Smith. They've done the same thing to 10mm, .38 super and every other cartridge they've deemed unpopular. The .41 mag is strictly a handholding proposition for me nowadays.
would you believe me if i said my local store has a pair of those but 6" i think. 41 is blue, 44 is stainless. both used for a smidge under 1-large bill. i have a few 44s was thinking of a 41 but not sure if worth adding another set of dies to my inventory. i have been looking for a large frame blued revolver for sometime as all mine attract crows :-)
Since you reload, the .41 will fit right in. Factory ammo is expensive and hard to find. The .41 is a pleasure to shoot, I think you would enjoy a .41 Magnum.
Funny, I only have a few nickel plated guns and about the same number in stainless...everything else is blued.
@@Halfmilesniper i may go check out the 41 at the store, i have 250 store credit and can probably trade in a CA44 i dont much use. that would lower the price by about 50% maybe worth getting. i already checked availability of dies / projectiles / brass just in case. the grade of the pistol looks very clean.
Light 175 silver tips are much more pleasant to shoot than hot 210 gr from the 41mag! There isn't as much difference in recoil when comparing the two with heavier loads!
I did find my 210 gr factory lead semi-wadcutter and my 215 gr lead semi wadcutter that I am experimenting with, that'll be in an upcoming video.
I had never run the 210 gr over the chrono, nor had I run my experimental load. Now I know I can bump up my experimental load if I can find more Hodgdon Clay's. No load data for that powder in 41 mag, but they have data for .44 Spcl so I am experimenting.
Just 5 shots from the 41 magnum
It looks like the gang is showing up! For some reason, it almost looked like the shots of you shooting were done with green screen. That’s the way to knock the target over!
I think the "green screen" effect is due to the coloration of the wall and the light/position of the sun...no green screen used. That .44 does hit hard, the steel plate doesn't lie.
@@Halfmilesniper One thing that made me think that was in the beginning, there was a scene of the wall then you just popped into the frame.
@@brucecoleman7412 I'll take a look...might be a hard splice in editing...from cutting out milling around or jabbering to myself while finishing getting ready.
@@brucecoleman7412 LOL, I see it now...It was from editing out some milling around, got positioned but then had to reset the chronograph. Funny I didn't catch that as I edited. I do just kind of pop in.
The first shot didn’t register buddy
Good eye...I saw that and if you pay attention I glance over at the display on occasion to verify I put the shot over the sensor. It could also have been due to the lighting, it was at the point I might have been able to shoot without the sky screens.
You kilted it Halfmile lollllllllllll
That's twice I've killed that target, LOL. Kind of expected it with the .44 but not the .22!
240 gr 44 mag is the standard load.
Since this video was published I found some standard .41 Mag 210 gr ammo, which is the standard .41 load. I hope to do a 210gr v 240gr comparison in the near future.
@@Halfmilesniper These days unless you "roll your own", the standard load is what you can find for sale.
@@leebaker2588 Fortunately for me I do roll my own for almost every gun I have.
Thanks for watching.
maybe someone should tell him that if he cocks the hammer, and THEN pulls the trigger, he might just hit the target!!!! pulling trigger alone, takes gun off of your actual aiming point.......
It actually doesn't...the only part of the trigger pull that matters is the last little bit ;), that was pure trigger jerk on my part. Check out this video to see how I run a double action trigger ruclips.net/video/k7pM9g-CF94/видео.html
I’ve been waiting on this one sir. I was thinking about trying some 41 magnum in my revolver. That’s the only ammo that was on the shelf when I went to my local ammo dealer. Ive shot 44mag out of it and it shoots it just fine.
I would not try shooting .41 Mag from a .44 Mag gun...the 44 bullet is approximately .428" while the .41 is ~.410. That might not work out too well. Unless I misread that and you'll be shooting a gun chambered in .41 Mag.
I’d love come out and do some shooting one day but be watching the mail buddy Amen I will holler later GOD BLESS
Thanks again Randle, we'll chat this evening.
Halfmile how’s your day going I pray great my friend Amen 🙏
So far the day is going well...fixing lots of guns for the deputies.
Very inconclusive, 41 mag has far more powerful rounds/loads.???
But I know....That STUFF costs $$$$
Yes sir, .41 mag is not a cheap ammo to buy. One of these days I should test some of my reloads too.