Caran d'Ache Luminance review & colored pencil demo w/ Lachri
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2014
- In today's demonstration I'm completing a chickadee with flowers against a bokeh background using Luminance colored pencils by Caran d'Ache. I'm working on Fabriano Artistico hot pressed 140lb water color paper. My reference photo for the chickadee is from photographer Rodney Campbell at Paint paintmyphoto.ning.com
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Time lapse and speed painting tutorials and demonstrations by award winning artist Lachri. Learn how to paint portraits, surreal landscapes, pets, lions, tigers, and birds...pretty sure a Wizard of OZ reference should be made right about now. Get tips and watch techniques for working in acrylic and oil paint, carbon pencil, graphite and colored pencil.
This video was shot using a Samsung HMX-Q10BN Q10 Switch Grip Full HD Camcorder.
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Love that you are smart and speak clearly without drawing things out..fast and furious! Girls like us get right to the point! Thanks..what a breathe of fresh air you are!
You've really woken up my love for pencils. With back injury it's difficult for me to paint in oils at this point. So your pencil tutorials have helped me figure out which pencils to invest in. BTW love your nail art in your videos. Thanks for being so wonderful and willing to help other artists.
You are such a great teacher! Thank you for all your great detail in explaining things...
Lisa, Amazing. But then, that is what you do. This was a great demo and I know we all appreciate you doing this and giving us the details on how you use these pencils. Thank you again for what you do.
I have one Luminance-White and I love it. It is a thicker pencil though, and I dont want to sharpen it feeling like I am wasting it! Great video as always x
I often shy away from drawing white flowers. I'm afraid of adding colors, and destroy the drawing, but you made it look easy. Thank you for making this video! It actually motivated me to start practicing on drawing white flowers.
Cathrine OAO :D
I just love this! Great JOB!!
Out of 72 Inktense pencils 42 were lightfast, 30 are not ...just to be more specific. Thank you Lisa for your information and testing/trialing of these Luminance. Love your work too btw..and all your tutorials...I am learning a lot~ ty
Great drawing! I like the blurred background which gives a bit of photorealistic look. Thank you also for your discriptions, this helps a lot to learn a lot about painting with colored pencils. Nice work :)
Love the professional natural feel of these pencils. Yummy flow and coverage without breaking.
As usual, your mastery of colored pencils is astounding. I love watching you layer. You make it seem so easy to do, but I know from my results that it's very time consuming and something I need to practice, practice, practice!
3catkins Yes, it is the most time consuming medium that I work in. It is so much fun though!! :D
Brilliant work...very impressive .it gave me a good feeling to see such expertise and beauty. Thank you,!
So beautiful!
Wow so beautiful. Thank you for nice tutorial. It’s really helps. Thank you again.
You are amanzing!!!I can not belive how realistic you make this beautiful drawing!You are so good!!!Thank you for all of the tips.
+Catia Silva Thanks :D
Great job young lady, beautiful work and very nicely explained.
There’s now a 100-pencil set! Not sure if it contains multiples, but hey! Progress on the amount of pencils offered seems like.
Nice review. Thank you Lachri Fine Art.
Lisa Loved the video and great news on the pencils ...I will be waiting for the prisma/luminance and hopefully the final one with Polychromos/luminance before I buy Thanks Much for your time !!!
Very impressed with how well you explain every step! I need to follow you more!
Thank you :D
I always focus on the color way to much and I focus less on the back ground... thanks for helping me to realize that was my problem
Thank you for all of the tips. I love your drawing, and your instruction was very detailed and easy to follow.
CopperCassie Thanks :D
The thunderstorm in the background sounds awesome btw ^^
I just found your channel today! I am not an artist, but I love to color. I have a set of Prismacolor premiums, Prisma color verithins, Derwent Studio, Caran D'Ache Pablo and just ordered a set of Caran D'Ache Luminance. Your instruction is very helpful and easy to understand. I am looking forward to viewing your other videos as well. Thank you.
I have the Luminance in set 72 too! & the Prismacolor in set 150... I personally love the Luminance one rather than the prismacolors. Its worth the money! Its more of like an oil based color pencils & the prismacolors are like wax based color pencils. I love how its easy to blend. I'm having a hard time blending the prismacolors even if I have the blender. :) Anyway you are amazing! Such a great tip! I shall try the paint thinner!
Ya I can see how u feel that and every artist feels differently twards different mediums so thank u for the reply and I understand :3
I prefer the Faber Castell Albrecht Dürer watercolor pencils, becaus they are a bit more soft than the Polychromos, but it´s also possible to bring much detail in your drawing. First I used them for watercolor paintings, but then I stopped using them with water because I love to use them like normal colored pencils.
Beautiful!!!!
I really like this drawing and the tips you gave were very helpful. Thank you!
Magui Zacarías :D
Lisa, I finally had the chance to try these and just loved them, I also did discover they do have much better neutrals than prismacolor, and they are so very creamy which I loved!
+Craftin Kate :D
I love your videos. You are so good! I do pastels myself. Started a cuple of months ago and I wondering if you do pastels. It would be wonderful if you could show something in pastel.
Lisaaa. First I have to say congrats on your amount of subscribers now. So proud and excited for you. I have been watching so long and it's been super cool to watch you grow and grow (your channel and your work). I always wonder if you will be able to comment back if I comment but you have always still managed to, pretty awesome with so many comments! I'd get overwhelmed lol. I hope I can handle it if I ever get 20k+ subscribers. Shoot, even 5k or 1k+ lol. Anyways enough of that ramble, I just wanted to say I am always wishing I had good reference photos with either no copyright or even with a photographer wanting their stuff painted sooooo you can imagine how much I loved the paintmyphoto website! Wow! I have found some decent landscape photos through free websites or fb groups but never such amazingly perfect bird ones (composition and all just so amazing, the photographers seem more professional on this site) and even the landscapes or mountains are so.. Wow! I haven't spent a longgg time on the site, just briefly checked out the "five star photos" so far but seriously I'm so excited about the owls and birds and mountains and landscapes I saw. I'm sure there will be more great ones. Oh and the flowers! I'm super glad you posted that link! Also, I just want to say that you're a huge inspiration for me knowing you have fibro and similar health struggles to mine and still manage to be so consistent. I know how unpredictable my health is and it's personally so hard to get back on here. I made speed paintings (time lapse or whatever they're technically called) a few years ago but over the years my arthritis in my spine worsened and my fibro worsened and I have extremely severe tmj and now it needs (the jaw breaking) surgery to fix the alignment on top of the tmj =\ it's hard to paint with all these physical struggles! Anyways point is its rough having all these health problems and I really respect and look up to you for everything you do. I've been a long time fan of yours and I secretly wish we were friends because we have so much in common lol that probably sounds creepy on your end of this "conversation" haha. Anyways overall just thanks! You're awesome lol =D
wow - Beautifully Done
I bought the small 20 pencil set a couple months ago to try them out, and decided that the colors in the smallest set were inadequate...so i just bought an additional 20 from open stock...mostly i got neutrals and flesh tones, and just a handful of jewl tones...and maybe next month im going to add an additional ten pencils to round out the set,..idont feel need the full 76 however...i love them but they are very soft..i find it hard to get very crisp details like i get with polychromos...its a good thing they work well togther.
Portrait set is 20 pencils and there are 4 open stock not in a set. So there are a total of 120 different colors available
This is amazing
I have an owl I started....over a year ago. I feel like I messed up and haven't touched it. You make me want to "finish it". Thanks for the video.
really enjoyed watching you paint!!
Thanks :D
+Lachri Fine Art. I just got my luminance set of 76 and they are the beat colored pencils I have ever worked with thanks for the video :D
Hassan Hameedi Congratulations!!! Aren't they amazing?! I love them :D
Beautiful
Excelentes lápices!!!
You are so good!! I learn so much from you!! :D :D Thank you very much for that!! :D :D
Beautiful!
Thank you :D
Amazing
Question for you Lisa on your color pencil drawings in general. How do you keep the sketch you have down already from showing through or bleeding into your colors? I do love how you take the colors and just bring to life the subject your doing.
Sam dwyer I draw out my subject REALLY lightly. I use a 5h or 6h pencil to keep the lines light.
Hi Lisa, thanks for another great video. I've recently bought ten Luminance pencils to try out, but haven't used them yet. Can you please tell me the paper you are using in the video?
Very very beautiful !! Could you please tell me what tipe/ kind of paper do you use and recommend for beginers? Thank you !
I really like this type of art though im yet to try it myself I would love to paint but because im used to drawing I find painting with a brush much more difficult compared to a solid material like a pencil so this kind of gives you the best of both worlds :-) btw you are doing well with the Patrone thing, thanks for keeping the price low I will be paying soon I think. I guess when you are so MASSIVELY popular around the world you are able to offer prices everyone can afford and its much appreciated :-)
Gorgeous
Hi Lisa, I admire your videos. I learnt a lot thanks to you. I have a question: is it possible to draw this with ordinary pencils from Faber Castell? How do you choose the colors for the layering? When I look at a picture, I don't see some colors you use in your draw. Thank you
WILL YOU PLEASE PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON HOW TO SHARPEN A PENCIL WITH SAND PAPER
Beautiful!!! How many colors were used to make the border?
if you don't have paint thinner, what other oil can you use that will be okay?
i am kind of freaking out. i watch you all the time, i too have health issues and i have a 8 yr old with down syndrome, she contracted the same 'mono, scarlet fever and strep' this past november and my little sweetheart shared it with me. we are still not back to normal after being diagnosed and i am wondering if we will ever be 'normal'
i feel so inspired after this video! Time to sketch! :D
hell bunny 96 Awesome! :D
Have you tried the Caran D'ache Pablo? I'm thinking of adding them to my collection. Would love to know what you think of them. I have the Luminance and I love them.
Amazing tutorial! Does anyone know what she has on the brush to blend the colors together? and what solvant/mixture is she using? Thanks!
When u complete something weither it be oil,acrylic, or colored pencil work...do u spray a fixative on it? Gloss,matte or use a varnish? I was curious as to how u preserve ur art. Thanks
Hi lisa, i love this video. Thank you for making it.
annezca I prefer Mona Lisa Odorless paint thinner, but any odorless mineral spirits should work.
Beautiful!! How
Many colors were used in the chickadee background?
I really want to try out colored pencils (more specifically polychromos), but i'm scared that it will just end up looking like something a kid would draw. Maybe you could do a video on how to start out with colored pencils? That would be very helpful. And thanks for the video! ;D
Ida Good idea!
Lachri Fine Art I also think that's a great idea. I to want to develop my coloured pencil skills and would like some basic guidelines. Like layering and using a light hand. Also, I love to paint, but I always mess up a piece when I paint it which is one of the reasons I turned to coloured pencils and I was wondering if maybe you could do a starter video on painting as well if you get the chance. I started with acrylics and had serious problems with them drying to fast so I switched to watercolours and while I like to use them for backgrounds on my coloured pencil pieces, I miss the thick, rich, opaque quality of the acrylics. I see what you do with acrylics and I want to try painting again.
do you have a favorite between the polychromos or the luminanace
Hi Lisa, great video as always! I've only recently discovered your channel and I love what you do. I must've watched over twenty of your videos already and, as a complete beginner, have found tons of helpful information to get me started.
You've inspired me to start drawing with coloured pencils but I haven't managed to find any video where you explain how you do your initial graphite sketch. I've heard about the grid method and other techniques for transfering, so I was wondering if you would recommend using any of these or just going freehanded. Thanks!
***** I usually get my drawing students started off by tracing first. There are several reasons for this which I explain in this video Artist Vlog - Is it ok to trace? - Lachri I'm not saying you should have to depend on tracing, but it will strengthen your own drawing skills as you go if you're always starting with an accurate drawing in the first place :)
Lachri Fine Art Thanks, exactly the answer I needed :)
Have u tried the inktense pencils ? i just got the 72 set and they look amazing ! i tried them out quickly and they are very intense, blend easily with water and you can add many layers :3
BTW, total change of topic but in case u didn't know, i'm french and i learned english during like 14 years and that makes me so damn proud that i understood everything you said in the video even though you speak pretty fast sometimes ! :)
I've not tried those yet, I've heard great things about them though! I'm also impressed that you understood me. My own family has trouble half the time, and they're used to how I speak haha.
hi Sakuems..i also understand her totally..i don't get why people always tell her to speak slow..English is not my mother tongue but hey..i understand almost everything she says.. It makes me proud too :p
Lachri Fine Art
Well it depends on the video ! u do speak very fast but it's also very clear and sharp so it's easier ... Juicystart07 speaks very fast as well but she bites every word so it's way harder like that ahha ! i'm like you, i speak very fast so i guess i'm used to it and it's a good training for my speech problems since i bite the words all the time :D
I'm gonna do a first impression video for the inktense pencils, maybe you'll fall in love with them !
@lachri fine art look how long ago this was and you’d only just heard of inktense and now YOUR ARTWORK graces the covers of inktense blocks and pencils 😍👌
Your paints are so great!!!
I always follow your videos.
I paint by myself without any previous training so my works are not too technical. But I really like to creat a beautiful paint. My question is that which paper you use?
Thanks
+Neda Maghsoodi Fabriano
In your opinion which do you think are better, the Luminance or the Pablos?
Ms. Lisa, can you do a color pencil drawing with a landscape background?
Lachri Fine Art I was not able to finde the burnishing Video in your video description. Did you deleted it?
Hi didn't know you could use coloured pencil in watercolour paper
You are amazing!
Thanks :)
I want to ask that is background important?
I am glad you found some of them scratchy too, I now know that I haven't just got a dodgy set.
I love how you did the background, I was surprised by just how many layers you used, I wasn't expecting that many, you have soo much patience. Out of curiosity how long did the background take you?
A day and a half. It took a LOT of layers to get that look :D
Another beautiful illustration! Just a quick question, what do you prefer, polychromos or luminance?
Everything Art Honestly, I prefer to use them both together. There are things I really love about each pencil and they work so well together.
i just ordered a faber castell polychromos 36 shades
just wondering, did you ever get round to making a bokeh effect tutorial? I love your use of it in your backgrounds!
Hyogail I did :) ruclips.net/video/wRrrBcyurX0/видео.html
Lachri Fine Art
yaaay thank you! Must have missed that one, thought I'd watched all of your videos :P
Great video! How long did this piece take you? And did you use freehand for the outline of the bird and branch?
Thanks, I spent 3 or 4 days on it. The actual video recorded was 10 hours total, but I pause every time I get up, or have to stop to sharpen a pencil etc. For this one I designed the layout in photoshop, then traced over the general outline to save time.
Une merveille que j'ai travaillé plusieurs jours. Suis je la seule française qui trouve ce site et le talent de cette artiste exceptionnel ? J'aimerais trouver une solution pour traduire tous ces conseils
yeah i think that those colors are amazing even if they are expensive but can i use paint thinner on bristol paper 100 LB and thanks for the video
nada ayman You should be able to just fine. The results will be different though.
as always..mesmerising...i want to ask you something...about color pencils, i bought my first set of polychromos(i used to draw only with graphite but u inspired me to try something new)...where im living right now..i cant find paint thinner or any blending tool for color pencils...can i get a good result without any blending tool..or without them i cant do anything?
I know plenty of artists who get great results with no paint thinner. Just from lots and LOTS of layering and lightly burnishing towards the end of a piece :)
Lachri Fine Art Ok thank your for replying and advice :)...and i love your work :D
Love the tutorial. I have not yet tried the Luminance pencils but plan to when I have tried a few of the open stock. Btw the Inktense pencils/blocks (as they do come in both pencil and blocks) please be aware that there are lightfast issues with them. I only found out after purchase when researching them after finding out that the Prismacolors had issues...I went thro all my art supplies to check on the lightfast issues. Huge issue as well with the Derwent Graphitint where within 2 weeks and even in my desk drawer they faded /changed colors. Huge disappointment with Derwent for me.
Stephie Cannuck Wow, that is disappointing about the Derwents!
Hi Lisa..this is an amazing demo. i can understand most of it except the soft feathers. Can you please upload a slower video of the bird feather section?? It would be a great help. Thanks a lot !!
Anusua Paul I'm soon going to have this one available as a 1 hour video for patreon supporters once I get that account set up :)
so sweet of you dear Lisa...thanks a lot..it will help us a lot :)
I'm always surprised when people compare prismacolor v luminance . I'm very new to colored pencils but I started by grabbing a set of prismacolor premier and just seeing if I even enjoyed it . A few weeks later I ran out to grab a set of 60 polychromos and a few white luminance pencils. Anyways what I'm getting at is that even as a beginner the quality between a luminance and a prismacolor is quite stark . Did the prismacolors work ? Yep 😁 lol but many of them also crumbled every time I sharpened , like the cores were already fractured throughout the pencil. When you are literally losing 1/3 or better of several of the colors in a set just to re sharpening after the lead falls out or crumbles directly after sharpening you are getting screwed by poor quality control. I started with a set of 24 prismacolor and of those I think about 5 were garbage , the entire core was fractured . I realize it's wax based and there are likely remedies to this but I don't care lol . After having used the polychromos and the white luminance pencils none have broken on me as of yet , the colors are great and the overall look and quality says it all . There is really no comparison , other than that they are both colored pencils they aren't even in the same room. And yes I know I'm new so my opinions are probably a little bit less than educated but I go by what I feel and my experience with prismacolor was nothing short of frustrating , I gave them to my kids . Not to mention that I strongly doubt that the prismacolor line is anywhere near as lightfast as they claim them to be . I know that they are capable in the right hands of producing very fine quality pieces as I've seen it but in the end they are in my head forever off my list of buy agains. I think that they are a budget pencil and that's that , not on the level of many other brands so why bother comparing , I also tried a twelve set of goldfabers and they are fantastic compared to prismacolor pencils imo and more of a likely comparison compared to the luminance pencils. Anyways I'm ranting lol, I really enjoy your videos they are very informative and I hope to be joining some more in depth classes soon enough.
these are the best colored pencils for artists #facts
Hi, have you done a review of the Holbein color pencils?
Here is a write up on them that I did from one of my recent newsletters :)
People keep telling me that they heard they were "the best pencil in the WORLD!". I'm not sure where this "best pencil in the world" idea about these started, but there are some MASSIVE, deal-breaking issues with these pencils that remove them from even making my "pencils I'm slightly interested in" list...let alone making a "best in the world" list.
Let's start with the price. They run anywhere from $320-350 online for a set of 150. I've not personally tested them but I have a friend I completely trust the opinion of and she said they are very similar to Polychromos. She said they are good but not any better than polychromos.
Issue #1 They list themselves as having "excellent lightfastness", but I can't find actual lightfast ratings online. They are marked with a star system that makes me think they are using the Blue Wool scale, but I'm not sure. Normally I wouldn't really question a company's claim to their lightfast ratings. The problem for me is that this company has been pretty shady about testing for toxicity and this is why they aren't sold within the US. The last I heard they had no intention of selling within the US because of this. Why are they refusing to provide their toxicity reports, or why are they refusing to have them done? Considering the market for colored pencils right now it's hard to imagine it's a cost issue, so that concerns me. As an oil painter, it's not that I'm opposed to using materials that are toxic, but I want to know that information so I can take the necessary precautions.
Issue #2 Because they are not providing toxicity reports, they can not sell them within the US (yes you can get them through amazon or ebay but not actual art suppliers). This means you can not get these pencils open stock. So you get to spend over $300 for a set of pencils, then when you run out of one you get to buy another set to replace it! Great deal!! Wait no, that's a terrible deal. I don't care how good a pencil might be, if you can't get it open stock there is no reason to use them at all in my opinion. How many times have you had to replace your white pencil alone, let alone other colors? So you spend $300 on pencils and just hope you don't like any one color too much...because you can't replace it!
Those issues combined with the price are deal breakers for me. If any of this ever changes I will be happy to test these out for you guys, but I won't do it until they address these problems.
Lachri Fine Art thanks for the info. I definitely did not buy them because of the price point. They looked like they might be worth it. But thanks to your info. I think I will pass on them as well. The open stock issue being the main reason as well as the lightfast. I do not know of anyone who has never used a pencil more than the rest. Usually black, white or red for me. Once again thanks for the info. Love your art work by the way.
I was wondering do you have any videos in which you did digital art work as another medium of art?
george aura I don't have any videos because I draw on my samsung galaxy Note 10.1 tablet and I have no good way to record that. I'm hoping when I upgrade tablets in the future that I will resolve that problem :)
WHAT PROGRAM DO YOU USE TO DRAW WITH?
Why you are doing ir base layer(s), do u focus on how the pencil is applied? IE: like a quick sketch, crayon look? Since it will be covered again multiple times
robbi1981 Each layer is just applied very lightly until I achieve the depth/contrast/values etc that I want :)
Thanks. Absolutely beautiful
I'm confused when you say they are colored pencils. Are they pencil crayons or are they water color pencils? Sorry if this seems like a stupid question...
Dang these are so expensive but I want them Dx
I don't really like using Mona Lisa paint thinner for colored pencils, do you know if Gamsol works well with Luminance?
Alex Valentino I've not used it but it should :)
Lachri Fine Art Ok, I'll take a chance with it. It's not too much money anyway ^^ I've seen it work great with Prismas but I really want to try Luminance
I wanna try a few sample Luminance pencils. Which ones do you recommend, some on the ones you like best on this brand?
+Maximiliano Manuel Silva Correa White is a must, then any of the cream, tan or grey pencils are next on my list :)
+Lachri Fine Art thanks for your advice ;)
Where do you buy the caran d'ache colored pencils?
+ally catt dickblick.com or jerrysartarama.com
have you ever tried prisma verithin? Is it possible for you to compare those to the Polychromos?
+Abominable Snow Panda I pretty passionately hate the verithins. They are hard and too waxy for my taste. They can't get near the detail that polychromos can.
Lachri Fine Art okay, thanks! Once I start to run out of prismas, I'm thinking I'll probably start to replace the colors with caran d'ache luminance pencils instead! Thanks for the advice !
One reason I request that is I got a pack of 48 master touch fine art studio pastels and I'm afraid to use them XD
Do you think White Spirit would work as a substitute for Paint thinner?
PenaforeRealm I'm not sure what that is. Any odorless mineral spirit will work fine.
Lachri Fine Art Its one of the ingredients of paint thinner next to turpentine, thanks for the tip
From wiki -
Mineral spirits are a petroleum-based product. They are best used on oil-based paints that are still fresh. Many artists and painters use them to clean brushes. They have less odor than turpentine but have their own dangerous fumes: methane produced by the hydrocarbons in the mineral spirits
hey lisa, nice video, i have not heard of those types of colored pencils before, how would you grade them compared to fabercastell and prismacolor? and btw, i just got a set of derwent softcore colored pencils, have you tried them?
rell relle I've not tried the derwent pencils yet. As for how these compare to prisma, they are hands down superior in pretty much every way IMO. They blend nicely like the prismas, but don't seem to have such a huge wax build up. They don't break and crumble like the prismas do either. As for comparing them to the polychromos that is a bit harder. I really like using the two types together. The polychromos are easier to get detail with, but then I love how the luminance blend. I'm working on a Prisma vs Luminance video for next week, then sometime in the near future I will have a Luminance vs Polychromos :D
Lachri Fine Art awesome. ive watched your prismacolor vs fabercastell a few months ago, and after i watched it, i stopped buying prismacolors (and i guess alot of people also becuase their prices dropped on amazon by 20 dollars on the 48 and 72 sets!)
i will look into luminance pencils, can you tell me the types of sets they have? (example 48 or 72)
i like fabercastell alot, but i do not like their blending as much becuase they are not as waxy, harder to blend like i want.
cant wait for the review!!!!
what do you blur colours with? thanks!!!!
+evistempest odorless mineral spirits (I'm using mona lisa odorless paint thinner).
Is hot pressed a more textured surface than cold pressed?
Other way around, Hot pressed is more smoother then Cold Pressed
OK, thanks.
Daenerys smoother
Wow you’re a speed talker!
so do the caran d'ache luminance pencils work like watercolors or....
No, they work like colored pencils.
Lachri Fine Art Oh when you wetted it, it seemed like they were blending. Did you use something else as well?
Yes, paint thinner. Check out her video titled "Basics to blending in colored pencil".
Harel Jann ok thanks
I finally purchased the 76 set of Caran D'ache Luminance pencils and I love them, however, I do feel that perhaps they are wasted on me as my abilities are not that refined, but I am enjoying the improving process. I have the Faber Castell 120 Polychromous, the Caran D'ache and a few Derwent sets, you have inspired me so much Lisa, although, my wife is not too inspired with the dent in our bank account lol. Amazing work, thank you so much.
+Techmedia Fusion LOL well good news is they last a really long time (except for the white and black pencils in my case) :D I'm glad to hear you're enjoying them! :D
+Lachri Fine Art at least unlike markers they don't wear out if you don't use any for awhile, or bloody ages you can always pass them on to next gen if wanting....then you see them being broken in half with miss treatment and you get to cry lol.
What kind of paper do you use here?
Kate Riley Fabriano Artistico extra white hot pressed 140lb watercolor paper :)