Very interesting device - I would be very interested to see how it does with linux instead of windows. The price difference with the Apple mini solutions will make me think very hard about what are the needs are. If I don't need to create apple applications or use Mac only apps .. this would be a very viable solution. Now I will be looking forward to laptops with similar horsepower as I've been spoiled with my fanless m1 air for a few years now!
Great review, I have a Minisforum $300 machine based on the Ryzen 5 4500U (16 GB, 512 NVMe). I can easily upgrade the dram to 64 GB, and the NVMe to 1,2 or 4 TB I use this as a backup to my main computer. I don't game and this micro-pc is perfectly fine for all my "normal "work-flow", Office, web-surfing, etc.
Apple should have filled that empty space in the Mini with upgradable storage modules. Regrettably that would negate their ability to charge a premium for non-upgradable storage.
You can’t really upgrade too much an ARM processor. Except for the storage. Like on any phone you will expect to have an upgradable ram, you d lost the advantages of an arm processor if you take ram separated
Depends on one's needs. Programing, business finance, and general web browsing then the Geekom i9 is great. ML, video/photo editing, and gaming then the Minisforum UM790 is far better choice.
bes video ive seen on the topic, loved it! Im not too tech savvy but I understood everything!!! Id love to see a video on setting up a simple nas for home, have you done one?! Keep up the good work :)
If the Mini ran Mojave, it would have been a tough choice. As Apple took the iOSsify-everything pill together with the round-corner-display pill, I can no longer care about new Macs or iPhones. I might pickup some Intel-based Mac bargains second hand, but that will be the last leg of my 40 year working with Macs (from the Plus). And if Mojave/Catalina support gets too bad, I will turn them into marvelous Windows machines. You got a i9 mini-PC, but even more crazy value are the new mini PC's based on N100. Those are only 150 bucks, and outperforming the last hexacore i7 Mini's by a huge margin. The 1000$+ pricepoint of a Mini Mac is intollerable nowadays. And don't say bad things about "crappy dualcores". Fact is a Mini 2009 still gets done the majority of tasks thrown at it without hiccups. The best computer you can get for 25 bucks. They keep going and going.
What intel processor is irrelevant. How fast it runs the storage and ram. It’s still running windows, which as I’ve been running windows since 3.11 I have a lot of experience of is barely an operating system. My last last windows machine took at least 5 mins to start and that’s without stalling out with updates and patches. By the time I get a word processor up an running I’m so aggravated I’ve forgotten or out of time to write what I was going to. I’m on Mac now. Start a thought on my phone, flesh it out on my desktop, finish it off on my laptop and read it over on my table. It all works out of the box. No third party apps, no adverts no ridiculous online storage contracts holding my data to ransom.
Don't worry too much about the relatively large amount of empty space inside the Mac Mini. There's a similar amount of excessive unused space inside my head.. 😀
Whatever Apple marketing and Fans “sell” (I’m good to talk, I’ve an iPhone 15 Pro Max and a Mac Mini M1), Apple without SJ is very low on creativity and innovation (but high on profit) and reuse as much as possible to have much higher margins. They wait for an M4 or M5 (or customers lack of interest) to upgrade the shell. That’s how Apple thinks. So I won’t buy any Mac for the near future: I can’t upgrade anything! I can’t game! I have low compatibility with many 3D and CAD apps and monitors! Why would I pay a premium for that? Many present windows PCs are slick, fast and some even with OLED screens and RTX graphics inside (if not, they can add a eGPU). And? At least the ssd is upgradable and there are no limitations, I can use a 2500€ system to game and CAD.
Mini PC's have come such a long way in just a few years. I just did a review of the Minisforum UM790 Pro, that thing is a beast with a Ryzen 9 processor. Would love to see you compare that with a Mac Mini!
Intel 13900H has CPU with 14 cores (6+8) and 20 threads with max boost frequency 5.4 GHz. Apple M2 Pro has CPU with 10 core (6+4) and 10 threads with max boost frequency 3.5 GHz. And yet Apple M2 beats Intel. I'm pretty sure Apple has way lower power consumption, too bad it was not measured. Apple M2 has 45% higher IPC (performance / GHz) than Intel Raptor Lake or AMD Zen 4, which mean Apple CPU is at least 5 years ahead Intel and AMD competition. New Nuvia Oryon ARM CPU gets 3227 pts in GB6 ST which smokes every desktop PC. IPC at M2 level while Orion having 12 big cores only. ORYON is a new laptop beast. Further other companies announced laptop ARM SoC: Nvidia, Mediatek and AMD is working on ARM CPU again too. Intel's x86 platform is dead. Every CISC x86 (16 and 32 bit legacy blob) is running on internal RISC core (since 1995 P6 Pentium Pro) which is fast but not effective. That inefficiency was OK for decades for desktop PCs but it cannot fight with super powerful pure 64-bit RISC CPUs from smart phone (blob free). That's a fact.
@@richard.20000 Apple beats Intel in power efficiency, yes. This is important for laptops and cellphones. For desktops, drastically less for individuals. Geekbench 6 multi-core scores: Intel i9 13900h 12977 Apple M2 CPU 10094 Apple M2 Pro CPU 12222
@@akin242002 power efficiency matters everywhere. As power is not free and the more power you need the more heat that is generated. Which requires more cooling/noise/power. Also the scores you posted were multi core which is what the post you replied to was about. Most programs and interactions with an OS are single core tasks. Multicore is irrelevant outside a few niche use cases
The external power supply sort of defeats the purpose of a compact unit. Combined, you’re not gaining much over the Mac other than separation. I have a monitor with an external brick and I can’t stand it.
@@arturoehr That's not exactly true when people start looking at machines, since the entry level M2 is less than the i7 linked here, and you have to assume the i9 he is reviewing is going to push that number even higher and people will pay attention to the entry level pricing. You might get more specs for your money, in terms of storage or number of cores, but those numbers may not mean much to the typical user. Then again, it's not just about specs - your typical consumer would likely never feel much of a performance difference between a 512GB M2 mini and a 1TB i7 IT13, for instance. With pricing so similar, a huge part of this decision will be driven by user experience, presentation, and OS/software.
Those geekom usb4 ports support eGPUs right ? Unlike Apple silicon which usb4/thunderbolt ports do support pcie tunneling, but not eGPUs because no Radeon or nvidia ARM drivers for macOS. Also, it will be interesting to see how the geekom mini pc performs (in terms of performance per watt) when it is outfitted with a meteor lake core ultra 9.
Impressive! I use my Mac Mini M2 for Studio Recording. The benefit has been it's dead quiet, no noisy fans. This Geekom seems to have overcome the heat/fan problems and can certainly provide more bang for the buck.
dont make it smaller "just because". the mac mini is small enough, its good enough. the reason they're sticking to the same shell is because of the literal hundreds of thousands if not millions server rack units that slot these right in, this target demographic far outweighs regular consumers who put these on their desks as far as i know.
RE: server racks. You easily could make a 3D holder that’s the same size at the current mini, and fit a smaller one inside of it. That way they can shrink the size of the mini (because ya know; that’s the point of it being called .. mini) but they can sit retrofit it into server racks
"this target demographic far outweighs regular consumers who put these on their desks" And as mini PC's get better and better, this statement will get more and more true.
With temps that low on the PC, my guess is that it was set to a power saving mode on the PC or in windows. Especially since it was only pulling 35 watts. They probably allow temps to get up into the 90s in the correct mode, and pull more wattage and clock speed.
@@dlewis9760 I see I’ve met my match in pedanticness. By “correct” mode, I meant “maximum performance mode”, since you indeed want to be comparing the computers to see which capable of the highest performance.
@@JeffHornePerformance isn't the only metric. Let's face it, for the last few decades, Apple fans have placed far more importance on the aesthetics of their devices than actual performance. "Yes, it's slower than that cheap PC, but who cares? Mine LOOKS better!"
I have a question someone help me decide I just started my marketing agency and i need a laptop. I have got 3 deals right now that are confusing me (maybe) All refurbished 1- macbook pro 13 2017 i5/8/128 for 375$ 2- macbook pro 13 2017 i7/16/256 For 475$ with touch bar 3- macbook air 13 2020 m1/8/256 for 725$ Which one would you choose ?
Yes, the apple one is so much more beautiful than the PC one. I have a gaming desktop and a gaming laptop that made my room look like a part of a cool factory. The Mac mini + dock connected to the same monitor simply looks more crafted like a piece of art.
@@igorbalen3389 Being able to buy a beautiful vase does not mean the esthetic of tools are worthless. After all, it is more expensive to hide a PC and still be able to access all the ports with a dedicated desk.
did someone pummel your m2 pro mac mini with a sledgehammer? the multicore score on mine is 14,780.... where do you get 786 from?? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 the concept of micro PCs seem amazing but this is a no-name computer from someone i never heard how do you know it won't break down and fall apart in 6 months or a year and what kind of warranty and coverage support does this company offer?
I replaced my i5 Intel NUC with an M1 Mac Mini 3 years ago. The NUC was nowhere as refined as this mini PC. The simplest task would spin the fans up to max, I hated it. Good job by Geekom or whoever designed this! The construction actually looks like a real Intel NUC!
@@JosephSeed Dude, this was in 2020 that I switched (see the 3 years ago part...). I'm also complementing the Geekom mini PC, not the Mac Mini. It was an 8th Gen i5. I've been using PC's since 1990 and switched my main rig to Mac. Not sure why picking the product I like better at the time makes me a cultist?
The biggest difference (other than price) is that the Micro PC is can be upgraded (RAM, Storage) and the Mini can't. The other difference is the OS. I you love MacOS, you'll buy the Mini. If you love Windows, you'll buy the micro.
Thats the real answer - there is no point comparing Mac and Windows and the hardware they run on - people use what they're most productive with and dont tend to chop around. A tiny percentage of people are equally productive with both OSes where the comparison would matter. Considering how macOS uses RAM efficiently and the fact you can always use external storage, the choice isn't that simple - but it comes down to productivity for me. Buy what helps you get the job done quickest. @chromaticvisuelle
What is the point of putting an i9 in this when it can't be fully utilized? Why not opt in for an i7 13700h or a Ryzen equivalent that is much more efficient and powerful at this power level? To me, the i9 in these machines seems like a marketing stunt more than a machine that actually has a purpose.
Put both Mac and PC with their power cords and power bricks in separate ziplock bags and I bet the PC displaces more water than the Mac. Form factor was impressive until the power brick came out.
Having a power adapter outside helps a lot to avoid unnecessary heat in the machine. Apple can easily make a tiny mac mini and power it using a MacBook pro charging brick. a M2 mac mini can easily work in an apple TV box size.
I feel like Apple is really missing a lot of free publicity that they could get from launching a Mac nano. I think they'd get a lot of people nostalgic for the iPod nano, and they could proabbly make it about the size of like the original iPod. They could use one of the power supplies rom the MacBook Airs, make it fanless with an aluminum chassis that would act as a big heat sync, make it fanless. You'd get people putting them into all kinds of things.
When talking about the general topic of mini PC vs Mac mini, keep in mind this is a sponsored video. He didn't go out and find the fastest mini PC. I suspect if he did, and compared it to the Mac Mini, he would be surprised at how fast it is.
@@garrusvakarian8709 Ryzen 9 7940HS. It's slightly slower in CPU performance, however in the same form factor, you can crank it up. This 13900H in this mini PC is underclocked, so it doesn't overheat, so I suspect the AMD in the same box, would be faster. Also, the AMD is well over twice as fast in GPU performance. In some cases, closer to 4X
@@TheRealMafooMinisforum UM 790 would be a better comparison since most MacMini users are also into video/photo editing. The iGPU on the Minisforum UM790 competes in that realm.
Years ago i got a Intel Nuc 8th gen. I put it in a fanless case, and until this day it's running Hackintosh just fine. I also own a M1 mini, but to me they are both just fine. Mini pc's are the way to go for the next coming years!
I will never understand why everyone pushes for the mac mini design to change. The design is perfect, it's proven and it's decade plus consistency gives it a super rich collection of accessories in enterprise and small business. I'm sure Apple knows they could make it much smaller, but for what reason? Worse cooling and louder fans? It just doesn't make sense.
@10:28 while I mightn't believe myself I would think to myself, "Don't be suprised" bc the whole manufactured inch by inch incre-mental year by year roll-out is kinda predictable by now whether or not that is all absolutely by design and the actual "cutting edge" of tech possible is already in existence, just not available for the end user consumer in this corner of the garden called earth. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if the actual tech powering the M1, M2, etc. is the exact same tech used by Intel and kept at that entry level wattage to make thermal issues a thing of the past as is pointed out of this processor Core i9 (hows it stay so cool?), and is spun as "completely different"(powered by Apple Slick-i-con) purely for marketing campaign purposes... but that'd be crazy right...? Yeah, I know, and if I were to go back in time and tell myself, yada yada...
Glad to see Geekom finally putting 2.5g NIC in their systems. I've passed on them in the past simply because they still rocked 1g NICs. Mac Minis are still great for certain use cases because of their hardware execrated ProRes, H.264, and HEVC encoders and decoders - a part that would be 2k alone just a few years ago. I'm looking forward to an M3 refresh with AV1 built-in as well. You also have to factor in subjective things like some folks just don't like Windows and would prefer MacOS regardless of the price point. I would not use any of these MiniPCs as a serious Desktop but they do make great little project systems. I'd also point out these are all basically mobile/laptop CPUs, so don't expect full desktop performance (yeah, they still have a place).
Hi Jason, Mac Mini m2 pro or Geekom IT13 for me? I am a beatmaker/music producer from Brasil and here Dollar is 5x1, plus the fact of those products double the price when you buy here in Brasil. So a U$800,00 I will pay R$8.000,00 here. My concern is: 1- how does IT13 will perform/stability with a project with a lot of tracks, plugins VSTs opened against M2 Pro and 2-what about International Warranty buying this in US and bringing to Brasil, cuz I know Apple provide it and I can extend more 2 years apple care. I would like to have your opinion.
@@laserjakk3629 That's interesting. I'm not really sure how getting service internationally works. I've had decent luck with Apple products but you do pay a premium for it. With any mini-PC (Geekdom, Minisforum, Beelink) you have the option to upgrade later (up to 64GB RAM and more storage) with Apple there is little to no upgrade path. But, if you plan to use Apple Logic for your music - they support an insane number of tracks. If you aren't using Logic, you might be better served with the PC route unless you know everything is M2 ready. Also, you might consider waiting until Spring for the next Apple event - it is possible they will update the MacMini with M3.
people keep complaining about the Mac mini design not being updated/further miniaturized, but I think it only future proofs it as Apple is only going to continue to stick more powerful and hotter chips in it year after year. Yeah, it was overkill for the M1 and not even needed there, but it's gonna be able to keep a future M10 Pro cool too.
I would rather get a NUC then. It has Thunderbolt 3/4 and can boot iSCSI. Fits 1 less NVME though, but if you need more than 2, just build a mini or full ATX... Nothing against the mini or NUCs or even Windows mini-PCs, but that is an unfair comparison. That power brick is bigger than the mini :O ... on that note, why not show a PC that's just a motherboard with everything external, like a Zimaboard ... oh look, it is 1/8th of a NUC ... we just removed EVERYTHING from the box..
I love Apples OS but the ram and storage upgrades are just sickening. Only Apple would make their upgrades more expensive than the actual product. 24 GB ram and 1 TB storage $800. That's just overt price gouging. This should only cost about $150-$200 at most. Ive used Apple products since 2000. I'm just done with them. It's making their used products worthless. People used to buy older Apple products to upgrade them and get another 4 or 5 years out of them. M1 Mac minis are on FB Marketplace going for $350. And no one wants them. If you could upgrade them I would actually buy one. I guess I'll just stick with my Intel Macs and hackintosh as long as I can.
What Intel fans miss is that the Mac people love the OS more than the style. WE really do not care what silly little small PC you want to make and we dont want one. Why ? Because Windows is a horrible OS based on overgrown garbage. MAC OS is based on UNIX which is a real OS and not a POS.
Does it run macOS ? Nope, so who cares about this ? Such machines exist since years. I build an Hackintosh with 10th gen i9 barebone but since there is no GPU support with newer gen GPUe it’s not a solution for hackintosh usage… SSD bench: as long as you choose a under 1 TB Drive the write read speed will be less on the Mac mini. You would get much higher speeds with a 1 tb version…
It's because of Apple Silicon that this micro PC is that good. Notice how much less inflated the value of some Intel-based systems has become; Apple Silicon caused others to scramble, and this is the indirect result of that -- both from Intel and manufacturers of OEM PCs. For a couple years, the Apple Silicon Mac mini was by far the best value of any desktop (if you discount the true opinion that a computer that can natively run macOS is invaluable). Now, everyone wins.
One word: gaming. Oh, and you could put Linux on it... Oh, expandability. I think it's criminal, or sad - take your pick, that Apple decided to hardwire everything. That's no fun...
Yes we get it the Macs will never be super upgradeable. But you get the better OS in MAC and not the garbage virus filled winders units. Oh. and also it is small enough and I toss mine into may backpack just like a laptop between my houses and just need a keyboard and monitors at each location.
Does the mini PC not have the ability to increase performance in Bios! BTW, then again does an Apple Fan Boy know how to use Bios and increase performance? 😂😂😂
I'm not sold on these current minis. I am in the process of returning one from a competitor because it couldn't even run Adobe Lightroom with out hard crashing the machine like someone pulled the plug. The machine I'm talking about has the i7 13700H, 32gb ddr4 and can't even navigate the library function in Lightroom. Completely repeatable. Best guess from researching the web is heat and lack of power at 120w. This machine you are reviewing doesn't seem much different. The other issue is these small machines are all using laptop chips which makes heat a factor to the point that problems arise. I still haven't made a final choice but I am now wide open on what I'm looking at. I'm looking at building a desktop myself, another laptop or a mac mini m2 pro. I've never owned apple and never thought I'd consider them but the M2 silicon is really good. Mac reliability is also likely better in this case. The real kicker here is that my laptop is a year older 12tth gen i7 and will run lightroom, not well but it will run. I'd like to see a slightly larger form factor for better heat management.
Any so-self-claimed mini PC coming with an external power brick is definitely a joke. Go with either Mac mini or Lenovo IdeaCentre mini gen 8, both of which has PSU built-in.
So, does it run macOS? Nope, so what good is it to me and the other Mac users. I could have someone make a raspberry pi smaller than the Mini IT13 you're showing but that doesn't run macOS either. Apple could easily make a smaller Mac mini but there's really no reason to do it. They already have manufacturing lines to make the box and 3rd party dealers have products that fit this design. There's really no reason to change the basic mini design.
You stated the Mac mini power supply was inefficient because the mini only needed 45 watts… you didn’t take into account the peripherals you can plug into the thunderbolt/usb ports that require power.
The mini PC is: less than half the size, less than half the price (when comparing same storage and memory), fully upgradable, faster except the GPU being slower but still close ...
well this is funny! you are comparing a pc trying to be smaller than a mac when apple did it first with the first mac mini that was so mini that it didn't have space for air! The new Mac mini that hasn't changed the aluminium case is first cos it was made to own two Hard Drive but since the tech goes to far they just used the box and it will probably change sometimes if there is a reason for. size doesn't matter with computers. oh try to get the pc into the Mac case lol
Went all apple about 2008 to 2021. Then I was forced to use windows at work. Got a silicon MacBook Air M2. But I think I will stay with windows for when I need a lot of power. I need the power and ability to upgrade the internals.
I wish I could add an external GPU to the Mac Mini. I know it's never gonna happen. Of course this mini PC won't support that either but for the Mac Mini's price it would be completely feasible.
I think that, after your review, the big question is: Can the Geekom edit a 4k video in Davinci Resolve as fluid as the Mac mini? If yes, we have a great contender and a viable intel alternative to Apple M silicon with real expandability
The Mac mini should have a way of adding ram- yeah I know . No brainer! These high end mini pcs will get cheaper. Making the Mac mini exorbitant in price in the future.
Also a 150w psu would be way more efficient at delivering 40w than a 50w psu. It would create more heat in the system and become a point of failure. You just talk out of your butt like this a lot?
But 2 things 1) its not running OSX 2) data centres have racks for that form factor apple has had for years - that will change over time, but will be disruptive.
They made a small PC by using an external power brick twice its size. I guess those power bricks just magically fucking disappear and require no actual physical space to exist.
I don't see why an internal power supply inside a computer is an advantage. In order to incorporate the power supply, you increase the footprint of the computer. With a power brick, I can tuck that away off the desk. And if that power supply fails, I can replace it easily. The fruit mini design is certainly stale and wasteful. As someone who replaced a windows desktop tower with a Beelink mini computer, I can say there is no going back to a wasteful, outhouse sized tower. These mini computers are profoundly good and inexpensive. And much smaller than the stale fruit mini. I have never understood why fans bother fruit people. I rarely if ever run a computer in a bank vault without background noises so most computer fans are not even noticed - especially if I'm watch youtube while doing something on a computer. Fan noise is a worthless feature to mark down a system unless it is the truly horrific G4 Mirror Door Wind Tunnel noise which his truly the worst ever made.
That's all well and good, but the magic sauce is the Mac OS integrated with the rest of the Apple ecosystem. So if this micro won't run Mac OS...end of story for me.
Windows has a long way to go to get customers like myself back. Tell me that a Windows machine - of any size - is not going to be bugged out its mind. My way to go is impress upon Apple the mini virtues of improving the Mac Mini.
I might actually buy this mini PC...looks awesome. I've been using Mac's and PCs off and on since the late 80s, but have been back in the PC camp for a while now since Mac's lost upgradability. I just like to be able to tinker with things and upgrade myself. Hope that comes back to Mac someday.
Also, there is still thermal benefits despite cooler Apple silicon plus there is a bevy of peripherals based on the current mac mini. They should only change to achieve😊 a purpose such as adding new internals. Change for tue sake of change is a waste.
Maybe if it was bigger or as big as the Mac Mini, they could make the i9 run way more faster. The compromise to be that small are simply not worth it. Apple still has the gold standard for mini computers for this reason alone.
Very interesting device - I would be very interested to see how it does with linux instead of windows. The price difference with the Apple mini solutions will make me think very hard about what are the needs are. If I don't need to create apple applications or use Mac only apps .. this would be a very viable solution. Now I will be looking forward to laptops with similar horsepower as I've been spoiled with my fanless m1 air for a few years now!
@@escobarvthat device is an overkill for home server
Great review, I have a Minisforum $300 machine based on the Ryzen 5 4500U (16 GB, 512 NVMe). I can easily upgrade the dram to 64 GB, and the NVMe to 1,2 or 4 TB I use this as a backup to my main computer. I don't game and this micro-pc is perfectly fine for all my "normal "work-flow", Office, web-surfing, etc.
Apple should have filled that empty space in the Mini with upgradable storage modules. Regrettably that would negate their ability to charge a premium for non-upgradable storage.
FALSE. The case fits on standard racks in server farms.
@@tonyburzio4107 OKAY, they still could have used the space for something else though
Utilizing the space would mean that when the mini gets its redesign it won’t be able to get much if any smaller
Agreed! Upgrades are so stupidly expensive
You can’t really upgrade too much an ARM processor. Except for the storage.
Like on any phone you will expect to have an upgradable ram, you d lost the advantages of an arm processor if you take ram separated
The Ryzen mini PCs are even more impressive, since their iGPUs perform much better than Intel's.
Depends on one's needs.
Programing, business finance, and general web browsing then the Geekom i9 is great.
ML, video/photo editing, and gaming then the Minisforum UM790 is far better choice.
bes video ive seen on the topic, loved it! Im not too tech savvy but I understood everything!!! Id love to see a video on setting up a simple nas for home, have you done one?! Keep up the good work :)
If the Mini ran Mojave, it would have been a tough choice. As Apple took the iOSsify-everything pill together with the round-corner-display pill, I can no longer care about new Macs or iPhones. I might pickup some Intel-based Mac bargains second hand, but that will be the last leg of my 40 year working with Macs (from the Plus). And if Mojave/Catalina support gets too bad, I will turn them into marvelous Windows machines.
You got a i9 mini-PC, but even more crazy value are the new mini PC's based on N100. Those are only 150 bucks, and outperforming the last hexacore i7 Mini's by a huge margin. The 1000$+ pricepoint of a Mini Mac is intollerable nowadays. And don't say bad things about "crappy dualcores". Fact is a Mini 2009 still gets done the majority of tasks thrown at it without hiccups. The best computer you can get for 25 bucks. They keep going and going.
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What intel processor is irrelevant. How fast it runs the storage and ram. It’s still running windows, which as I’ve been running windows since 3.11 I have a lot of experience of is barely an operating system. My last last windows machine took at least 5 mins to start and that’s without stalling out with updates and patches. By the time I get a word processor up an running I’m so aggravated I’ve forgotten or out of time to write what I was going to. I’m on Mac now. Start a thought on my phone, flesh it out on my desktop, finish it off on my laptop and read it over on my table. It all works out of the box. No third party apps, no adverts no ridiculous online storage contracts holding my data to ransom.
Don't worry too much about the relatively large amount of empty space inside the Mac Mini. There's a similar amount of excessive unused space inside my head.. 😀
The extra space helps it cool. I
for anyone interested i can recommend a video from snazzy labs where he 3d prints a new case for the mac mini, shrinking it by 80%
Could this thing be turned into a Hackintosh?
Yeah smoorez did a review
I wonder if this works wirh an eGPU?
Whatever Apple marketing and Fans “sell” (I’m good to talk, I’ve an iPhone 15 Pro Max and a Mac Mini M1), Apple without SJ is very low on creativity and innovation (but high on profit) and reuse as much as possible to have much higher margins. They wait for an M4 or M5 (or customers lack of interest) to upgrade the shell. That’s how Apple thinks.
So I won’t buy any Mac for the near future: I can’t upgrade anything! I can’t game! I have low compatibility with many 3D and CAD apps and monitors! Why would I pay a premium for that?
Many present windows PCs are slick, fast and some even with OLED screens and RTX graphics inside (if not, they can add a eGPU). And? At least the ssd is upgradable and there are no limitations, I can use a 2500€ system to game and CAD.
Mini PC's have come such a long way in just a few years. I just did a review of the Minisforum UM790 Pro, that thing is a beast with a Ryzen 9 processor. Would love to see you compare that with a Mac Mini!
Lmao I was coming here just to say that 😅
I agree. The Minisforum UM 790 is great for video editing, given it's size, and excellent for programmers.
Intel 13900H has CPU with 14 cores (6+8) and 20 threads with max boost frequency 5.4 GHz.
Apple M2 Pro has CPU with 10 core (6+4) and 10 threads with max boost frequency 3.5 GHz.
And yet Apple M2 beats Intel. I'm pretty sure Apple has way lower power consumption, too bad it was not measured. Apple M2 has 45% higher IPC (performance / GHz) than Intel Raptor Lake or AMD Zen 4, which mean Apple CPU is at least 5 years ahead Intel and AMD competition.
New Nuvia Oryon ARM CPU gets 3227 pts in GB6 ST which smokes every desktop PC. IPC at M2 level while Orion having 12 big cores only. ORYON is a new laptop beast. Further other companies announced laptop ARM SoC: Nvidia, Mediatek and AMD is working on ARM CPU again too.
Intel's x86 platform is dead. Every CISC x86 (16 and 32 bit legacy blob) is running on internal RISC core (since 1995 P6 Pentium Pro) which is fast but not effective. That inefficiency was OK for decades for desktop PCs but it cannot fight with super powerful pure 64-bit RISC CPUs from smart phone (blob free). That's a fact.
@@richard.20000 Apple beats Intel in power efficiency, yes. This is important for laptops and cellphones. For desktops, drastically less for individuals.
Geekbench 6 multi-core scores:
Intel i9 13900h 12977
Apple M2 CPU 10094
Apple M2 Pro CPU 12222
@@akin242002 power efficiency matters everywhere. As power is not free and the more power you need the more heat that is generated. Which requires more cooling/noise/power.
Also the scores you posted were multi core which is what the post you replied to was about. Most programs and interactions with an OS are single core tasks. Multicore is irrelevant outside a few niche use cases
The external power supply sort of defeats the purpose of a compact unit. Combined, you’re not gaining much over the Mac other than separation. I have a monitor with an external brick and I can’t stand it.
It’s cheaper than the m2 pro
@@arturoehr That's not exactly true when people start looking at machines, since the entry level M2 is less than the i7 linked here, and you have to assume the i9 he is reviewing is going to push that number even higher and people will pay attention to the entry level pricing. You might get more specs for your money, in terms of storage or number of cores, but those numbers may not mean much to the typical user. Then again, it's not just about specs - your typical consumer would likely never feel much of a performance difference between a 512GB M2 mini and a 1TB i7 IT13, for instance. With pricing so similar, a huge part of this decision will be driven by user experience, presentation, and OS/software.
@@TravelingSolothe i5 one is cheaper
@@adriano760 A Chromebook would be even cheaper than that, but it's sort of defeating the purpose to keep going backwards lol
One advantage is if the power brick fails.
Those geekom usb4 ports support eGPUs right ? Unlike Apple silicon which usb4/thunderbolt ports do support pcie tunneling, but not eGPUs because no Radeon or nvidia ARM drivers for macOS.
Also, it will be interesting to see how the geekom mini pc performs (in terms of performance per watt) when it is outfitted with a meteor lake core ultra 9.
i'm pretty sure usb4 is thunderbolt compatible, so it should support eGPUs
It does support egpu. Just not any gpu
@@Shimeih which AMD or nvidia GPU is supported on Apple silicon?
@@j340_official None- none of the silicon macs support eGPUs. I believe they're saying these windows machines do.
@@sam.ruesink oh cool ! 😎 that’s what I was speculating in my original comment
1:30 - I hate external Power Bricks... Especially the ones that are almost the same size as the device that they are powering!
Impressive! I use my Mac Mini M2 for Studio Recording. The benefit has been it's dead quiet, no noisy fans. This Geekom seems to have overcome the heat/fan problems and can certainly provide more bang for the buck.
dont make it smaller "just because". the mac mini is small enough, its good enough. the reason they're sticking to the same shell is because of the literal hundreds of thousands if not millions server rack units that slot these right in, this target demographic far outweighs regular consumers who put these on their desks as far as i know.
RE: server racks. You easily could make a 3D holder that’s the same size at the current mini, and fit a smaller one inside of it.
That way they can shrink the size of the mini (because ya know; that’s the point of it being called .. mini) but they can sit retrofit it into server racks
@@jordansmith7621 but 3d printing would take time so apple would have to include it with the mac mini which is very unlikely 😁
"this target demographic far outweighs regular consumers who put these on their desks" And as mini PC's get better and better, this statement will get more and more true.
@@TheRealMafoo wrong. Everyone benefits from smaller computer parts and chassis while still retaining high performance.
I think on some level….you kinda feel like you got cheaped out if this thing looked like a Apple TV. People want some “heft” on their desktops.
I'm unsubscribing from this channel. You will waste your time watching his videos with those spicy titles.
Great video as usual 😊 It would be interesting to see if the GEEKOM could run MacOs as a hackintosh. Would you try that?
With temps that low on the PC, my guess is that it was set to a power saving mode on the PC or in windows. Especially since it was only pulling 35 watts. They probably allow temps to get up into the 90s in the correct mode, and pull more wattage and clock speed.
"Correct mode"? Odd choice of words. Any mode provided is "Correct". The end result that counts is price/performance for the intended use.
@@dlewis9760 I see I’ve met my match in pedanticness. By “correct” mode, I meant “maximum performance mode”, since you indeed want to be comparing the computers to see which capable of the highest performance.
@@JeffHornePerformance isn't the only metric. Let's face it, for the last few decades, Apple fans have placed far more importance on the aesthetics of their devices than actual performance. "Yes, it's slower than that cheap PC, but who cares? Mine LOOKS better!"
I’d love to see how a music studio program like Steinberg Cubase, and several instrument vsts run in that little i9 computer.
It's ugly AF, next to the Mac Mini.
That large bulky power supply is a deal breaker for me . . . . Sorry!
For the same price i'd go for the Beelink Ser7 because of the 780M graphics.
I have a question someone help me decide
I just started my marketing agency and i need a laptop.
I have got 3 deals right now that are confusing me (maybe)
All refurbished
1- macbook pro 13 2017 i5/8/128 for 375$
2- macbook pro 13 2017 i7/16/256
For 475$ with touch bar
3- macbook air 13 2020 m1/8/256 for 725$
Which one would you choose ?
I really love the Mac mini design. It's really hard to find something that esthetic.
You can buy yourself a beautiful vase
But there is no M processor inside 😅@@igorbalen3389
Get yourself a large photo of a Mac Mini, put it in a frame and mount it on a wall. Apple would probably sell you such an item for $500! 😂
Yes, the apple one is so much more beautiful than the PC one. I have a gaming desktop and a gaming laptop that made my room look like a part of a cool factory. The Mac mini + dock connected to the same monitor simply looks more crafted like a piece of art.
@@igorbalen3389 Being able to buy a beautiful vase does not mean the esthetic of tools are worthless. After all, it is more expensive to hide a PC and still be able to access all the ports with a dedicated desk.
did someone pummel your m2 pro mac mini with a sledgehammer? the multicore score on mine is 14,780.... where do you get 786 from?? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
the concept of micro PCs seem amazing but this is a no-name computer from someone i never heard how do you know it won't break down and fall apart in 6 months or a year and what kind of warranty and coverage support does this company offer?
intel cpu's are not made for this, they need full cooling and max power to get proper performance, its why laptops are usually ryzen
That power brick is waaaaaaay to big for 120W. I wish it could be charged via type C
I replaced my i5 Intel NUC with an M1 Mac Mini 3 years ago. The NUC was nowhere as refined as this mini PC. The simplest task would spin the fans up to max, I hated it. Good job by Geekom or whoever designed this! The construction actually looks like a real Intel NUC!
@@JosephSeed Dude, this was in 2020 that I switched (see the 3 years ago part...). I'm also complementing the Geekom mini PC, not the Mac Mini. It was an 8th Gen i5. I've been using PC's since 1990 and switched my main rig to Mac. Not sure why picking the product I like better at the time makes me a cultist?
Lmao, the size of the power supply brick. So mini. Much smaller.
This case size is nothing special. It looks like a fairly close rip-off of the Intel NUC - which has been around for years!
Yet Apple's comparisons are to Intel chips that were designed 10 years ago lol
There will be soon ARM machines that could run windows, this will be amazing mini win PC
The biggest difference (other than price) is that the Micro PC is can be upgraded (RAM, Storage) and the Mini can't. The other difference is the OS. I you love MacOS, you'll buy the Mini. If you love Windows, you'll buy the micro.
I love MacOS a lot but I would get the PC. I just can't get around the ridiculous prices of storage and ram options with Apple.
Thats the real answer - there is no point comparing Mac and Windows and the hardware they run on - people use what they're most productive with and dont tend to chop around. A tiny percentage of people are equally productive with both OSes where the comparison would matter.
Considering how macOS uses RAM efficiently and the fact you can always use external storage, the choice isn't that simple - but it comes down to productivity for me. Buy what helps you get the job done quickest. @chromaticvisuelle
What is the point of putting an i9 in this when it can't be fully utilized? Why not opt in for an i7 13700h or a Ryzen equivalent that is much more efficient and powerful at this power level? To me, the i9 in these machines seems like a marketing stunt more than a machine that actually has a purpose.
Put both Mac and PC with their power cords and power bricks in separate ziplock bags and I bet the PC displaces more water than the Mac.
Form factor was impressive until the power brick came out.
Everything runs windows, for me, is unusable. Period.
Having a power adapter outside helps a lot to avoid unnecessary heat in the machine. Apple can easily make a tiny mac mini and power it using a MacBook pro charging brick. a M2 mac mini can easily work in an apple TV box size.
I feel like Apple is really missing a lot of free publicity that they could get from launching a Mac nano. I think they'd get a lot of people nostalgic for the iPod nano, and they could proabbly make it about the size of like the original iPod. They could use one of the power supplies rom the MacBook Airs, make it fanless with an aluminum chassis that would act as a big heat sync, make it fanless. You'd get people putting them into all kinds of things.
When talking about the general topic of mini PC vs Mac mini, keep in mind this is a sponsored video. He didn't go out and find the fastest mini PC. I suspect if he did, and compared it to the Mac Mini, he would be surprised at how fast it is.
@@garrusvakarian8709 Ryzen 9 7940HS. It's slightly slower in CPU performance, however in the same form factor, you can crank it up. This 13900H in this mini PC is underclocked, so it doesn't overheat, so I suspect the AMD in the same box, would be faster. Also, the AMD is well over twice as fast in GPU performance. In some cases, closer to 4X
@@TheRealMafooMinisforum UM 790 would be a better comparison since most MacMini users are also into video/photo editing. The iGPU on the Minisforum UM790 competes in that realm.
Those gigantic power bricks are obnoxious though.
Years ago i got a Intel Nuc 8th gen. I put it in a fanless case, and until this day it's running Hackintosh just fine. I also own a M1 mini, but to me they are both just fine. Mini pc's are the way to go for the next coming years!
Luke, for the moneys sake, forgot that "5 years ago" there were Intel NUC's.
Why does the Mac Mini need a redesign? If its a working, successful design, why change it?
Beelink ser7 is way better device
Agreed! DDR5 RAM, HDMI 2.1 port for 4k 120hz refresh rate monitors, and far better for PC gamers due to their Radeon 780M iGPU.
This units Max 64 gb Ram
8TB SSD but cpu tdp is less than potential 😊
I will never understand why everyone pushes for the mac mini design to change. The design is perfect, it's proven and it's decade plus consistency gives it a super rich collection of accessories in enterprise and small business. I'm sure Apple knows they could make it much smaller, but for what reason? Worse cooling and louder fans? It just doesn't make sense.
Agreed 100%. There's no reason to make the Mac Mini smaller, it's perfect and gives it headroom for more power processors in the future!
@10:28 while I mightn't believe myself I would think to myself, "Don't be suprised" bc the whole manufactured inch by inch incre-mental year by year roll-out is kinda predictable by now whether or not that is all absolutely by design and the actual "cutting edge" of tech possible is already in existence, just not available for the end user consumer in this corner of the garden called earth. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if the actual tech powering the M1, M2, etc. is the exact same tech used by Intel and kept at that entry level wattage to make thermal issues a thing of the past as is pointed out of this processor Core i9 (hows it stay so cool?), and is spun as "completely different"(powered by Apple Slick-i-con) purely for marketing campaign purposes...
but that'd be crazy right...?
Yeah, I know, and if I were to go back in time and tell myself, yada yada...
If I needed a new pc and wanted something small for windows, I would absolutely buy a Geekom PC.
You can not install Macos on the minipc since Apple dropped support for everything after 10th gen Intel...
Glad to see Geekom finally putting 2.5g NIC in their systems. I've passed on them in the past simply because they still rocked 1g NICs. Mac Minis are still great for certain use cases because of their hardware execrated ProRes, H.264, and HEVC encoders and decoders - a part that would be 2k alone just a few years ago. I'm looking forward to an M3 refresh with AV1 built-in as well. You also have to factor in subjective things like some folks just don't like Windows and would prefer MacOS regardless of the price point. I would not use any of these MiniPCs as a serious Desktop but they do make great little project systems. I'd also point out these are all basically mobile/laptop CPUs, so don't expect full desktop performance (yeah, they still have a place).
Hi Jason, Mac Mini m2 pro or Geekom IT13 for me? I am a beatmaker/music producer from Brasil and here Dollar is 5x1, plus the fact of those products double the price when you buy here in Brasil. So a U$800,00 I will pay R$8.000,00 here. My concern is: 1- how does IT13 will perform/stability with a project with a lot of tracks, plugins VSTs opened against M2 Pro and 2-what about International Warranty buying this in US and bringing to Brasil, cuz I know Apple provide it and I can extend more 2 years apple care. I would like to have your opinion.
@@laserjakk3629 That's interesting. I'm not really sure how getting service internationally works. I've had decent luck with Apple products but you do pay a premium for it. With any mini-PC (Geekdom, Minisforum, Beelink) you have the option to upgrade later (up to 64GB RAM and more storage) with Apple there is little to no upgrade path. But, if you plan to use Apple Logic for your music - they support an insane number of tracks. If you aren't using Logic, you might be better served with the PC route unless you know everything is M2 ready. Also, you might consider waiting until Spring for the next Apple event - it is possible they will update the MacMini with M3.
people keep complaining about the Mac mini design not being updated/further miniaturized, but I think it only future proofs it as Apple is only going to continue to stick more powerful and hotter chips in it year after year. Yeah, it was overkill for the M1 and not even needed there, but it's gonna be able to keep a future M10 Pro cool too.
I would rather get a NUC then. It has Thunderbolt 3/4 and can boot iSCSI. Fits 1 less NVME though, but if you need more than 2, just build a mini or full ATX...
Nothing against the mini or NUCs or even Windows mini-PCs, but that is an unfair comparison. That power brick is bigger than the mini :O ... on that note, why not show a PC that's just a motherboard with everything external, like a Zimaboard ... oh look, it is 1/8th of a NUC ... we just removed EVERYTHING from the box..
I love Apples OS but the ram and storage upgrades are just sickening. Only Apple would make their upgrades more expensive than the actual product. 24 GB ram and 1 TB storage $800. That's just overt price gouging. This should only cost about $150-$200 at most. Ive used Apple products since 2000. I'm just done with them. It's making their used products worthless. People used to buy older Apple products to upgrade them and get another 4 or 5 years out of them. M1 Mac minis are on FB Marketplace going for $350. And no one wants them. If you could upgrade them I would actually buy one. I guess I'll just stick with my Intel Macs and hackintosh as long as I can.
OK I’m only two minutes and now we’re talking now we’re getting a real mini PC they can do something. I’m looking forward to the rest of the video.
What Intel fans miss is that the Mac people love the OS more than the style. WE really do not care what silly little small PC you want to make and we dont want one. Why ? Because Windows is a horrible OS based on overgrown garbage. MAC OS is based on UNIX which is a real OS and not a POS.
Probably be better with AMD APU given they require less power/cooling and it has better integrated GPU than Intel’s.
the ending explains everything. this is a sneaky sposred posted by they tiny windows machine. not a good look if you keep doing video ads
Does it run macOS ? Nope, so who cares about this ? Such machines exist since years. I build an Hackintosh with 10th gen i9 barebone but since there is no GPU support with newer gen GPUe it’s not a solution for hackintosh usage…
SSD bench: as long as you choose a under 1 TB Drive the write read speed will be less on the Mac mini. You would get much higher speeds with a 1 tb version…
It's because of Apple Silicon that this micro PC is that good. Notice how much less inflated the value of some Intel-based systems has become; Apple Silicon caused others to scramble, and this is the indirect result of that -- both from Intel and manufacturers of OEM PCs. For a couple years, the Apple Silicon Mac mini was by far the best value of any desktop (if you discount the true opinion that a computer that can natively run macOS is invaluable). Now, everyone wins.
One word: gaming. Oh, and you could put Linux on it... Oh, expandability. I think it's criminal, or sad - take your pick, that Apple decided to hardwire everything. That's no fun...
Yes we get it the Macs will never be super upgradeable. But you get the better OS in MAC and not the garbage virus filled winders units. Oh. and also it is small enough and I toss mine into may backpack just like a laptop between my houses and just need a keyboard and monitors at each location.
Does the mini PC not have the ability to increase performance in Bios! BTW, then again does an Apple Fan Boy know how to use Bios and increase performance? 😂😂😂
I'm not sold on these current minis. I am in the process of returning one from a competitor because it couldn't even run Adobe Lightroom with out hard crashing the machine like someone pulled the plug. The machine I'm talking about has the i7 13700H, 32gb ddr4 and can't even navigate the library function in Lightroom. Completely repeatable. Best guess from researching the web is heat and lack of power at 120w. This machine you are reviewing doesn't seem much different. The other issue is these small machines are all using laptop chips which makes heat a factor to the point that problems arise. I still haven't made a final choice but I am now wide open on what I'm looking at. I'm looking at building a desktop myself, another laptop or a mac mini m2 pro. I've never owned apple and never thought I'd consider them but the M2 silicon is really good. Mac reliability is also likely better in this case. The real kicker here is that my laptop is a year older 12tth gen i7 and will run lightroom, not well but it will run. I'd like to see a slightly larger form factor for better heat management.
Business idea - Hmmm, let's redesign the power brick to include more PC components and we can make a smaller PC than both of them!
My mac envy is over! Thanks for the review.
Any so-self-claimed mini PC coming with an external power brick is definitely a joke.
Go with either Mac mini or Lenovo IdeaCentre mini gen 8, both of which has PSU built-in.
So, does it run macOS? Nope, so what good is it to me and the other Mac users. I could have someone make a raspberry pi smaller than the Mini IT13 you're showing but that doesn't run macOS either. Apple could easily make a smaller Mac mini but there's really no reason to do it. They already have manufacturing lines to make the box and 3rd party dealers have products that fit this design. There's really no reason to change the basic mini design.
You stated the Mac mini power supply was inefficient because the mini only needed 45 watts… you didn’t take into account the peripherals you can plug into the thunderbolt/usb ports that require power.
The mini PC is: less than half the size, less than half the price (when comparing same storage and memory), fully upgradable, faster except the GPU being slower but still close ...
well this is funny! you are comparing a pc trying to be smaller than a mac when apple did it first with the first mac mini that was so mini that it didn't have space for air! The new Mac mini that hasn't changed the aluminium case is first cos it was made to own two Hard Drive but since the tech goes to far they just used the box and it will probably change sometimes if there is a reason for. size doesn't matter with computers. oh try to get the pc into the Mac case lol
Went all apple about 2008 to 2021. Then I was forced to use windows at work. Got a silicon MacBook Air M2. But I think I will stay with windows for when I need a lot of power. I need the power and ability to upgrade the internals.
I wish I could add an external GPU to the Mac Mini. I know it's never gonna happen. Of course this mini PC won't support that either but for the Mac Mini's price it would be completely feasible.
I think that, after your review, the big question is: Can the Geekom edit a 4k video in Davinci Resolve as fluid as the Mac mini? If yes, we have a great contender and a viable intel alternative to Apple M silicon with real expandability
The Mac mini should have a way of adding ram- yeah I know . No brainer! These high end mini pcs will get cheaper. Making the Mac mini exorbitant in price in the future.
I Like the MacMini Design
Im a PC/Linux N00b who Switched finally with the M1 in 2020
Also a 150w psu would be way more efficient at delivering 40w than a 50w psu. It would create more heat in the system and become a point of failure. You just talk out of your butt like this a lot?
But 2 things 1) its not running OSX 2) data centres have racks for that form factor apple has had for years - that will change over time, but will be disruptive.
They made a small PC by using an external power brick twice its size. I guess those power bricks just magically fucking disappear and require no actual physical space to exist.
I'm here with mac os mojave in 2023 😂2012 macpro 5,1 rx580 8gb 64gb of ram still a solid performer for casual gamer
i9 13900H = i5 14600k
14c/20T 5.4 GHz
So I am waiting for next geekom i9 14900H may be 6 GHz Max as 20c/32T .
Wait wait wait 😮😮😮😮😅😅😅
I don't see why an internal power supply inside a computer is an advantage. In order to incorporate the power supply, you increase the footprint of the computer. With a power brick, I can tuck that away off the desk. And if that power supply fails, I can replace it easily. The fruit mini design is certainly stale and wasteful. As someone who replaced a windows desktop tower with a Beelink mini computer, I can say there is no going back to a wasteful, outhouse sized tower. These mini computers are profoundly good and inexpensive. And much smaller than the stale fruit mini. I have never understood why fans bother fruit people. I rarely if ever run a computer in a bank vault without background noises so most computer fans are not even noticed - especially if I'm watch youtube while doing something on a computer. Fan noise is a worthless feature to mark down a system unless it is the truly horrific G4 Mirror Door Wind Tunnel noise which his truly the worst ever made.
That's all well and good, but the magic sauce is the Mac OS integrated with the rest of the Apple ecosystem. So if this micro won't run Mac OS...end of story for me.
Windows has a long way to go to get customers like myself back. Tell me that a Windows machine - of any size - is not going to be bugged out its mind. My way to go is impress upon Apple the mini virtues of improving the Mac Mini.
Don’t claim this “Mini-PC” is smaller than the Mac mini while excluding that monstrous AC brick that makes the entire package bigger.
Holy moly macaroni and cheesus! That power adapter is……huge! …that’s what she said
I might actually buy this mini PC...looks awesome. I've been using Mac's and PCs off and on since the late 80s, but have been back in the PC camp for a while now since Mac's lost upgradability. I just like to be able to tinker with things and upgrade myself. Hope that comes back to Mac someday.
Id be interested to see how well the micro PC's will run full out Linux Software
WAIT! Because the mini has internal power, you have to include the power supply in your size comparison. Carry on...
Also, there is still thermal benefits despite cooler Apple silicon plus there is a bevy of peripherals based on the current mac mini. They should only change to achieve😊 a purpose such as adding new internals. Change for tue sake of change is a waste.
I'm still amazed how PCs can keep up with Macs performance wise at a much lower cost.
Maybe if it was bigger or as big as the Mac Mini, they could make the i9 run way more faster. The compromise to be that small are simply not worth it. Apple still has the gold standard for mini computers for this reason alone.
Picking between the 2 machines is quite easy. The one that doesn't do 26 hours of software updates everyday...
Windows for Desktops.
MacBooks for great battery laptops and synchronization with an iphone.
Yup, I am a big fan of mini-pc's ... especially the ones from Minisforum!