The Mac Mini Killer - Minisforum UM773
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Jake was impressed with the price-to-performance ratio of the Mac Mini, but Minisforum is here to strike back with their new UM773. With an accessible price point, solid specs/IO, and a tiny form factor, is this the mini PC to beat, or should you stick with Apple's M2-powered computer?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 The Mac Mini USED to look good...
0:20 Unboxing
3:17 IO walkthrough
5:03 Sponsor - PowerColor
5:28 Powering it on and checking specs
7:22 Fan noise, TDP, and SSD/CPU tests
11:03 Gaming - Apex Legends and CS:GO
12:38 Comparison to the Pico PC and potential use cases
13:31 Teardown
16:18 Overall thoughts
16:41 Outro 
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As an IT intern at a school, I suggested switching from custom-built desktops to mini PCs a few months ago. The school has since purchased 30 mini PCs and is pleased with the results.
why? mini PCs have extremely limited options for upgrading and they are much more expensive than regular "big" PCs.
on a regular PC you will reuse power supplies until they die basically
fans and coolers also "forever"
the case as well
GPUs, as long as the performance is still good
RAM, maybe harder to reuse as speeds get higher, capacity doubles and
motherboard and CPU probably the most difficult to reuse as they are the components that get replaced most frequently
on a mini PC you won't reuse almost anything as it is completely custom made, so when it gets old the whole thing goes to waste
maybe great cause that's easy, anyone knows how to throw away stuff and buy new
but not so great for the wallet nor the environment
@@bigbronx Business requirements and what you want in a computer are two different things, no IT department is gonna spend hours of paid employee time optimising and upgrading individual computers
@@bigbronx schools and institutions rarely upgrade existing boxes anymore after spectre and meltdown and xp ransomware. Being stuck with mobo level zero day issues is a total no go nowadays.
@@bigbronx IME in business most PCs are used on a 3 year upgrade cycle. They're installed, used for 3 years, then the whole thing is replaced. Nobody goes replacing/repairing internal components because it's not time efficient. At home I have bigass Fractal tower with a rolling set of components. But for work these little things are perfect, they're small enough to install on the underside of desks or attach to VESA mounts. Plus if one fails (or more likely is broken) you can carry several in a backpack and swapping them out is dead easy.
@@bigbronx Are they gaming?
That would be WAY overkill for a Plex server with regards to processing power, but if space is a limiting factor for you it'd be perfect.
since it has AV1 decoder, it's not
@@someoneelse5005 Hardware transcoding allows you to serve an average-sized household easily even on a low-end CPU. I'm using a GTX 1650 I had laying around with a Ryzen 1700X, and even that is WAY overkill. I rarely go over 10% utilization and 5GB of RAM usage, and that's when running multiple 4K transcode streams at once. (By the way, if you're using a GeForce GPU, I definitely recomend the transcode limit removal patch so you can do hardware transcoding on as many streams as you have GPU power for.)
AMD hardware acceleration is good, at best. Intel hardware acceleration though.. that's where it's at. I would pick a much worse mini PC with a bad Intel CPU over this any day of the week, if I need to do hardware acceleration.
@@mortenmoulder I'm looking for something like this to host my Plex server (currently just runs on my pc). Got any recommendations?
@@finn3494 Any Intel based one with Intel HD 630 or better imo. You can usually find something that fits your budget, then Google up something like "intel hd 630 plex transcoding" and someone will have an answer for you
I could imagine this as a low-horsepower programming rig. Too bad this wasn't a long review, I would love to see Anthony's take on it.
Yeah that would be nice
I use it for that, it's more than powerful enough most dev tasks.
@@revlayle Do you have any problems being that its AMD and not Intel? Also, I'm curious are you running Linux? (or just Windows)
i've been using something like this, but based on intel 12 generation for a while now for a programming rig, can run 3-4 VMs full on no problemooooo , love the new generations of NUCs
@NonBinary Star not sure why amd vs Intel would matter still x86
This is exactly what my parents can use for their daily use. I will definitely buying them this minipc when their pcs break down. They are still using Windows 7
My former employer asked me this week for recommendations on a new PC to replace his Win 7 AMD machine. Told him he was the perfect candidate for a mini PC. He was skeptical but willing to try one. We didn't need the raw power of these MinisForum machines so we found him a $300 mini with 6c/12t, 16GB RAM and 512GB 3rd gen NVMe. More than enough power for what he does, and a good price point.
@@foxpopuli6982 thats pretty cheap. Nice.
Get them something now, Win 7 is EOL and no longer getting security patches...
Why not a normal pc tho
But why?
Why not get any other normal pc?
I got the Miniforum HM80 in 2021 because it was an "all-in-one" solution. I'm glad to see that they are continuing to innovate the mini PC form factor. For not quite twice the price of the UM773 you can get their Neptune HX99G.
coming close to a 1st gen threadripper in testing, any testing.....is insane. made some giant leaps in tech man
Especially if you consider the power enveloppe and that it's running in single channel
With dual channel RAM it might match it
@@roqeyt3566 considering the RAM is DDR5, that single channel perf is very close to dual channel DDR4 due to the way DDR5 works.
@@roqeyt3566 in fact, the website lists the RAM as dual channel so yeah lol
@@norkshit that really depends on if the channels are using the full 64 bit channel, last I heard many DDR5 modules were being run in 32 bit mode
I cannot wait for the 7740HS, i want to see how Zen4(lower cache) and RDNA3 works in this form factor
Yeah, really wish AMD stopped with the naming BS.
Me: *buys Mac Mini in part because of ShortCircuit's thoughts*
Also ShortCircuit:
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In their defense this model wasn't available at the time.
Its still great plus you get thunderbolt and complete silence.
The Mac Mini likely has better GPU performance too.
Unless you need mac software or your company is a mac only place...
I'm using an M1 Mac Mini as a server, and it's entirely inaudible no matter how hard it gets hammered, unless I'm really putting my ear up to it. That's a major plus for a lot of people.
Suggestion for USB4/TB devices that make their way on to ShortCircuit: plug in an eGPU and/or TB3/4 dock to test the USB4 port since that spec got stupid with uncertain implementations by OEMs. Jake had what looked like a TB dock at the start of the video on the desk but it never made its way into the final video!
Yeah. A lot of USB4 is optional to implement. PCIe Tunneling (which you would need for external GPUs and the like) is optional afaik.
I seem to remember that there was something about Microsoft requiring at least a single "fully-featured" USB4 (which should be equivalent to Thunderbolt 4, apart from missing Intel's certification) port on devices that are advertised with Windows 11? I don't know if Mini-PCs like this are part of that, though.
My wife switched over to one of these Minisforum PCs a few years ago when her home-built Core i5 system was dying and it's been pretty great. I can tell you that the older ones didn't try so hard to hide the screws (because they weren't meant to go in a vertical mount) so it used to be way easier to get in and add that 2.5" SATA drive.
I was taking a look at a similar mini PC and was shocked with the performance, and I tried it even on a triple monitor setup. Mine had a Ryzen 7 4700U, I think it's a great mini PC.
does it have a dGPU?
3 monitors? It has that many ports? Awesome
@@deansmits006 2 HDMIs and type C
I bought one of these on pre-sale and got it this week as well. I'm running with 64GB DDR5-4800, 4TB Team TLC NVMe, 4TB MX500 SATA SSD. Consolidated my homelab boxes down to this, runs brilliantly.
16:02 Pretty sure the fan intakes from the top, where the exposed holes are (as these kinds of radial fans usually do), then exhausts through both openings with heatsinks.
Fortunately, DDR5 is not really affected by single channel memory as tested by Jarrodstech, so that isn't a major problem, and you get the upgradeability. Otherwise, great video and super cool product!
Right, because IIRC technically one stick runs dual channel (and with ECC to boot ♥)
Finally! Good news for laptops bc they always hamstring performance by shipping with 1 stick to save cost
DDR5 features two 32-bit memory channels per DIMM (versus a single 64-bit on DDR4). This means you can get quad-channel configurations with two DIMMs. The two channels per DIMM are independent and can issue commands separately. Since the burst length and prefetch are twice as much as DDR4, this will further improve the overall bandwidth by increasing the total number of data transfers per DIMM. With that said, I doubt the average user is going to notice a difference between dual channel and quad channel. That and laptop DDR5 is locked at 4800Mhz and I don't believe there is a way to change that via BIOS settings like workstation DDR5 RAM as far as overclocking and there is already workstation DDR5 RAM running at higher speeds with no overclocking.
I do have a question, how does this aspect of ddr5 affect the integrated apu. Normally bandwidth here shared is a limiting factor. Normal office like tasks rarely showed single vs dual channel limitations, but once you shared that with a apu and then tried to play a game it would.
Just recently switched from my tower PC to a Beelink SER6 PRO+ with the AMD Ryzen 7th gen GPU. Can still play games on the widescreen 34" monitor, even if at lower settings, and all the work tasks are covered with lower power consumption and a tiny footprint.
You had a great point on the feet. There are hole punches as well as readily available stick on feet with holes that could be replacement/original feet for such products so you can have access and not block the hole to open the case.
I had a full sized desktop AMD 2700x PC and ditched it a couple of months back for a Beelink 5600H. Love this little mini PC. It sips power and is more powerful than my old 2700x. Does everything I need it to do. Power rates have shot up 30% here in Japan and they are supposedly going up again in the fall. Great to see such a small pc with this amount of power for such a low price.
use a laptop ? better power consumption there and same cpus..
also $575 USD for 16gb ram / 512gb ssd version of this is WAY too high.
@@flambeau9870 dude what are you talking about? where are you finding a 7735hs laptop for that price? I don't think you know what you're talking about
@@HoloScope there are different processors that exist. You could get a desktop CPU with better performance than this for cheaper
Also a laptop comes with a display. .
@@flambeau9870 yeah because looking down at a 14"-16" laptop screen is very practical
@@HoloScope what do you mean looking down?? Are you talking about laptop design or something?
I was saying laptop prices are higher because of the included display
I'd love a follow up vid on this where they kit it out with a top quality m.2, ram, and try to see if they can get an external GPU hooked up and see what it does!
This should be the top comment 👌
The ram is fine, his claims that it only being one stick holding it back is false as DDR5 doesn’t work the same way DDR4 does.
@PCMasterRaceTechGod would you mind explaining why single channel DDR5 is no better than dual channel DDR5? Just in the process of speccing a new ITX build.
I love the relaxed manner of this hands-on video. Stark contrast to most other LMG productions which I find rather stressful to watch.
Wonder if this one actually has liquid metal as thermal compound... They said their prior model has liquid metal, but it was standard paste.
Not like it matters all that much, but it would be good to know for maintenance.
Use a hole punch on the new feet to make a pass through for screws.
Really wanna know how much dual channel RAM would help the gaming performance. Remember Jake just tested this with a single stick of DDR5 RAM for an APU.
A common misconception of DDR5 is that you need two sticks for dual channel but the thing is that's incorrect, DDR5 is dual channel even with a single stick.
I'm kinda surprised this isn't a well known fact basically counting that this is one of the selling points for DDR5. Whoever marketed DDR5 should be fired.
Its still 64bit vs 128bit either way. Ddr4 uses 2 64bit buses. Ddr5 splits those buses into 2x32 bit, thats the dual part integrated into ddr5 sticks. But you still need 2 sticks to get the full 128bit.
I wish he would have tested a few more games and tested it at 720p for a good contrast with similar products in this category just to see how the mobile process performs. Thank you for another great video.
Mini pc's are going to keep getting more awesome as we get down to smaller lithographies (3nm and beyond). RDNA4 in particular will prob be much closer to decent discrete gpus. These little guys are awesome though - the main challenge is keeping fan noise/heat down. I have a Beelink Ser6 pro which is basically the same as this minisforum model. Would be cool if you did a comparison of the two.
So many changes in tech over the last few years in small form factor computers
I would like to start seeing power efficiency scores on these reviews. It's all well and good for something to perform, but not everything needs to be able to play games at crazy frame rates, but I would like to see how efficient it is. Overall, good review!
If they did that the M series Macs would destroy everything power:performance wise. I'd love for the competition to do more here but the architecture of x86/64 just aren't as efficient compared to ARM64. One of the joys of legacy.
@@TalesOfWar Okay but it's still arm. Fine for a laptop, but there's no way I would want an arm desktop. I wouldn't even call that a desktop pc. So the mac would not destroy everything, because it isn't even a real desktop computer.
@@username8644 It's not really a desktop chip... but if you had the option of an A64FX (or similar), would you use it? 😄 (as a gamer probably not, but as a programmer or 3d artist, you might love it)
@@AntonioNoack Sure I would use it, probably more as a server/workstation. But if you consider the price of that chip, I would much rather instead buy several top of the the line xeons or epycs instead.
Edit: and I don't game anymore so that's no longer something I consider. But when I think of a desktop, I want it to be able to do any tasks I ask of it. That means it needs to be able to support windows as a lot of software is only available on windows. And sure I could setup a VM in Linux but that's making a sacrifice, something I should not have to do on a desktop computer. Not to mention all the software on Linux that doesn't have arm support.
@@username8644 You're living in the past if you think ARM isn't desktop capable, as proven by the desktop M series Macs and the ever growing number of ARM based super computers. They perform better while using less power than their x86/64 counterparts. Now, if you're comparing the consumer level stuff to ones not made by Apple I agree, nobody else seems to have managed to get the kind of power out of ARM that Apple have, because the likes of Qualcomm have been sitting on their thumbs for years. It's hard to explain just how big of a deal the Apple Silicon really is.
The air flow comes from below the unit and take all motherboard and devices heat to the top, or blowing out the unit, also air is take from the top of the unit (that is why the top is lifting just enough to take fresh air.
And yes, this kind of mini-pc is like a laptop, you can use it as much as a mid-range laptop.
I'm endlessly amazed at the amount of computing power we've been able to cram into phones, laptops and small desktop PCs like this one. It wasn't that long ago your average phone would struggle to render a desktop website, and now we're running games on them that look as good or better than a PS3 or Xbox 360. It's my daily reminder that we are living in the future.
Aww, the UM700 had a "press down and pops up" top lid. It was also the one used in Valve's photos for "Developing for the Steam Deck" alternative platforms to use. It's actually pretty close in specs to the Deck too.
What popped up?
@@QWERTYQwertz852 the um700 had a lid that you could simply push down on and it would pop out
Minisforum are our go-to at work for a lot of niche & lightweight use cases. Including my desk rig! Really solid products.
I bought one of these a few months ago (or something almost identical to it, same brand and form factor, Ryzen 7, 32GB and 512GB ssd) and use it as a development system to replace a very very old desktop that ran an old AMD A10. It's a fine little box and got it for like $550 at the time (that includes tax/shipping). I added the SSD from my old system into it.
Would this be ideal to use as a dedicated streaming computer? I was looking to get the mac mini for that but I've heard that OBS does not work well on macOS, yet I'd like to be able to use macOS alongside my windows gaming pc, I also want to stream in 1080p (at least). Would this be the better option or would an M2 mac mini (base model) be powerful enough for this also? Any suggestions? Thanks!
Seems like it could be a sick little linux box for folks homelabbing w/ tight space & noise contraints
Exactly my thoughts. As Oracle nerfed free tier and I tried to move my game servers back to self host, m1 mac mini is pain for some things(for example valheim server). This machine is a perfect proper x86 alternative.
I have two of these deployed right now with a ryzen 9 6900HX, 32GB of ram and a 1TB NVMe drive that were stupid cheap compared to what I was looking for. I'm amazed that I can get these shipped to me in 2 days... it's just the best for what I needed.
Tell me more. Did you get them configured like that and shipped directly?
@@AskStevenBlack Amazon man. Plus they were on sale.
That’s pretty nice, I’m not too into tech specs as a bit of a beginner so that went over my head but I appreciate you going into them. The size of it looks a little bit bigger then Apple TV. Deffo would think of having this as an home entertainment pc.
The Intel NUC has hybrid screw-feet that you can remove and replace with your hands if they're not super tight. That definitely fixes the biggest problem that these units have. And they're also very powerful for the size and VESA mountable.
Cannot wait to see the next desktop APUs! So I can upgrade my small form factor!
Would love to see 4K rendering and encoding times compared
Does anyone know if you can do an external GPU for this machine? Also how good would this be for video editing?
Jake missed showing how to install the 2.5" drive, and what kind of limitations it has in size. I have a couple of shucked Seagate 5tb HDD's, and I'm curious if it'll fit inside. These drives are thicker than normal 2.5" drives.
I really wanna see benchmark comparisons to the Mac mini
That could actually be a pretty good server, bit expensive but comparatively really low power usage which is very nice
Have you guys reviewed the hx99g? I’d be very interested in an depth review of that system, fully maxed out
i just checked their website and the one in the video seems to different from the retail version. it doesn't have 4 usb 3's on the back, only 2 (with 2 2.0's)
Running a Beelink SER5 Pro rn but this is a very tempting upgrade. Absolutely loving the mini AMD PC experience with PopOS.
how long you been using it? I'm kinda skeptical about the durability of these mini pcs atm..
@adminmovie coming up on about two months now, seems good so far but obviously I can't really say how it will fair way down the road.
@@adminmovie I mean there really isnt any reason for them to be less durable than average PC
I could see this as a kid's first pc in a few years. Maybe laptops are still more convenient but kids drop things... a lot... I know I did
In a few years I believe mini pcs will start to slowly kill consoles as a pc with a very small form factor like this with but built to work with a a dedicated gpu,something like a mini rtx 3060 inside. You will get incredible performance along with all the amenities that a pc has to offer. Or just load up SteamOS in place of windows and now it's a homebrew console.
@@seanmcguire9405 right now u can buy a mini pc with dgpu from 3050 up to 3070m and rx 6600m on amd side. But what the purpose of buying a pc with dgpu that made to be mobile and stuck it in your desk. At that point i think you better buy a laptop. Noone know about pc will go that road just to throw the pc away when it go down cause the temperture it get.
@@seanmcguire9405 consoles arent going anywhere. Kids nowadays dont have this patience, and consoles are way easier to buy, pick up and go without worrying about hardware specs, installing and uninstalling, controller support for casuals / rpg
@@seanmcguire9405 I don’t think mini pc will ever replace consoles because they are not the same at all
@@seanmcguire9405 consoles will never die. As I get older and make more money I almost want to buy a console for Diablo 4 because of how much I hate managing windows. And the alternative is building a 4090 water cooled rig. Windows is honestly such a problem.
My Ryzen 5 5500u mini PC was also stuttery on 4K RUclips videos but only for a couple hours. The longer I used it, the better it got. Today, it's flawless. It shares an SSD dock with my gaming PC. I do all my web browsing with the mini and download to the dock. There's also switches on everything so all three monitors, the keyboard and the mouse just work for whichever PC is awake. I have everything tuned so I can't really tell which PC I'm using unless I look at the gaming rig to see if it's lit up. Pretty handy and doesn't put heat into the room like the gaming rig. The extreme low power draw is what I wanted.
Hi. You mentioned the hdmi being limited to 1.4 but their spec sheet says otherwise (4k@60hz). Can you confirm if the usb4 is capable of more?
Been looking at some powerful mini PC options for a ROS2 based robot, this looks fairly promising.
Why not an SBC that would be easier to integrate, just not enough power?
@@raszelast We used an NVIDIA Jetson Xavier NX this year, it worked pretty well, but yeah our main programmer got pretty annoyed with the relatively low CPU power and compatibility problems with ARM. Having it all on x86 will be more convenient. And getting a system this fast will give him no excuse if something goes wrong >:)
Honestly this is perfect for a media center PC to stick under your TV. I'm probably gonna look into getting one of these myself soon.
If you want a media centre PC, get a NAS like a QNAP. All kinds of really good stuff built-in to it.
@@kenrobertson9995 I have heard about "NAS" a few time but not really sure what it is. Something to do with storage though right? In what way would it be better than just having a mini PC under the TV?
It would be too loud, your better off using a Plex server somewhere else with an Apple TV running Plex or vlc, or xbmc.
Any idea of what the noise level is in db’s? Curious as I’m looking to upgrade my old tower pc. Thanks.
Does it have AMT/vPro or something allowing to turn the machine on/off remotely (headless setup)?
I've looked into these recently, nice to see a review now!
My nerdy take; Proxmox on two or three (ha), or even just one of these -> great homelab on less power, that would be sweet. Two cheap external USB hdd’s (yes, spinning rust, who needs speed…) on each node with simple mirrored ZFS, and that whole pile would be a cool learning platform for virtualisation, migrations, shared storage, networking and whatnot. Nice! 👍
I've been thinking about a cost and energy efficient home server and NAS setup (I just cant bring myself to paying 600+€ for a Synology NAS with low-end hardware from 7 years ago).
What do you think - could such a setup work? How would you even hook up multiple hdds? Would the idle power draw be high? DIY NAS systems to me always look like they just ignored power consumption when building those.
Is the RAM speed adjustable in the bios? It's spec'ed with DDR5-4800 but DDR5-5600 SO-DIMMs are available...🤔
that blue light filter on the display was pain
I just realized ShortCircuit has become my favorite LMG channel!? Well ok then, keep up the great work everyone! 🍻
I've been looking something just like this for a media PC next to my TV. As long as it does 4k video without stuttering, it's all I need. I can just Steam remote play if I want to game on it.
That CPU is a beast, of course it will do 4k no stutter
I got a Beelink computer of similar size, and it is very easy to take apart. The one I got is the SER4...yes it's older, but nicer. Check out that brand if you're in the market for something like this. Also, these computers make great hypervisors especially if you max out the ram.
I love my beelink
Nice, but this is just a re-packaged 6000 series. Should look out for the upcoming 7040 series that has a faster 780M GPU. That's gonna be the one to get.
Correct, it's basically a 6900h on DDR5 platform
So it actually makes sense to have only one stick of ram, cause you still get dual channel and decent performance
But honestly, this PC at this price is great, and more than enough for most people, so it will all depend on price and availability of the new series
@@thunderarch5951 Fingers crossed it won't be ultra-expensive.
I don't know when it started but calling all the packed-in ads and brand stuff "propaganda" is hilarious
Dumb question, would this PC be good for OBS streaming? I won't be playing on it, but I would like to attach my gaming PC onto it via an HDMI capture card. Do the AMD APU support AMF encoder on OBS??
The company I work for sells industrial fanless versions of these and and they are awesome. We even have a few larger models that can even have high end 12th gen CPUs and dedicated GPUs like the 3060
Given how small the device is, I’m surprised this can run Apex at 60fps. Then again, that’s at low settings.
It was running with single channel memory too!!
And only one stick of RAM, so single channel, which limits performance.
@ it's DDR5, so dual channel, actually
This specific CPU is on DDR5 platform
@@pusaduva nope, it's DDR5 so a single stick has 2 channels
@@thunderarch5951 wrong ddr5 is 32x2 so its still 64bit single channel.
but can it run crysis tho?
nah, today's challenge is, can it run Plex subtitles? lol
A client of mine was looking upgrade his old desktop for Autocad use, and also get something for commuting back and forth to his vacation home in Vegas. I got a him a similar tiny pc that he can throw in his carry-on and hook up to a TV there and not lose a beat or have to transfer files.
Whoa! I did not know it was that much smaller than the Mac Mini. Strongly thinking of getting Minisforum (with the latest CPU) for my nephew as a high school graduation gift in 2 years. Add a 4k 27-inch monitor and a basic Logitec keyboard/mouse combo.
This with an external gpu would be pretty cool
Not this generation for that.
Wait for the upcoming stuff (as in just 1-2 more generations and done).
If you already have one. It's hard to justify the cost of an external gpu right now. Though just having the option to clearly puts this above a mac.
you should probably wait for the next gen thunderbolt before investing into any egpu solutions. (especially if you are buying something new and not as an upgrade). the current gen tb3/4 is just too limiting for most gpus. Unless ur going with the Asus flow series, I wouldn't consider egpu a viable solution. + it would be much better to build or get a small computet with proper gpus than this with an egpu
@@Rew123 Why? I have an egpu for my thin and light laptop. It fricken smokes and is amazing for gaming. I really don't need a desktop.
was thinking the same
Just bought one of these to run my arcade cabinet, it's sweet.
What can it emulate up to ?
@@Gatorade69 I haven't really pushed it yet. Still figuring out a lot of stuff with my light guns and joysticks.
I would guess anything up to nintendo wii with some ps3, wiiu and switch games running well. Most pcs from 6 years to now can do this level of emulation
@@Gatorade69 pong runs great!!
@@Gary.6.10.19 I'm not so sure about that. I don't think it can adequately emulate the speed of the ball.
I take calls using viop for my work at home job and run a couple of other web programs to do this. I'm currently using an 11 year old desktop to do this and well, its time is running out. Would you recommend this minipc to do this?
How would this compare to mac mini in terms to base model 4k raw video editing?
I don't mind 1 stick as long as it's really easy to upgrade. $25 for a stick a 10 minutes and you're golden
I thought I heard that it doesn't hinder ddr5. It's because they have a memory controller directly on the stick that can treat it like 2. Obviously the software didn't show that it was happening but I think it does.
Uhm, this is DDR5, which he forgot to mention
Laptop DDR5 still costs a lot, but 1 stick already has dual channel, cause every stick has two 32bits channels on it
@@samgford it does, but not as much
OK but running an APU on single channel memory is some real Linus shit.
How power efficient is it?
Not at all compared to the m2 mac mini
Who cares?
very
very. idles at around 10w
Bad compared to a mini PC with a more efficient laptop CPU, good compared to most desktops.
Hi and thanks for your review.
Do you recommend this mini PC for music production?
I've got the Ryzen 7 6800H version of this (the 7000 version wasn't available when ordering)
If you plug an eGPU into that USB4 port (currently running a 2080ti on mine) it's a REALLY nice gaming machine. The only issue i've noticed is that M.2 SSD gets really, really hot if you swap out the included one for something better.
To the point it starts thermal throttling.
18 seconds since upload, odd catch lol
Compared to the prior UM690, this one internally seems like a down-grade. The SSD heat sink is just fastened on with some rubber bands, while the barebones UM690 I fixed up came with a full on heat sink that went over and screwed into the middle of the board. It also wasn't just a slab of metal, but has actual heat fins.
Obviously the RAM and SSD I put into were faster than stock, which is why it was ordered barebone, but I can confirm it even does the synthetic 7000/6500 writes on a 990 Pro SSD and works fine with DDR5 6500 CL36 SO-DIMM RAM.
From memory, your FHD120 issue might have been due to missing AMD drivers for the iGPu and chipset. What is a bit awkward though is that the Wi-Fi module is a Mediatek one and Windows doesn't have included drivers for that one on installation. So if you buy their machines barebone and install Windows yourself, make sure to drag the Wi-Fi drivers onto your boot stick because else you'll have to CMS your way around the “connect to network”-part of the installation. Lastly, I have to agree on the questionable decision of the holes being beneath the rubber feet and no easy clip mechanism on the outside of the case that would let you simply "pop" it open... I'll glance over the HDMI2.0 and the choice to not make it 2.1 oder make one HDMi and the other DP.
Otherwise, these little machines are amazing and their performance is beautiful for the price. I really enjoyed fixing up the barebone and the person I did it for has been happy since. Highly recommend buying the bare bones and doing the installation of drives and RAM yourself to get maximum performance for money spent.
Edit: Also, interestingly, on the website the product photos show the 773 lite with 2* USB 2.0 instead of 3.0 like you handled here.
This could be a nice option for my son's first computer. I was contemplating discreet GPU system for him but the prices these days...
I think these are great, it's fun seeing how fast the power/performance of these NUC-sized PCs have come... With exception of price. It'd be nice to see the day when; similar to laptops, they aren't as expensive just because they're portable/take up less space. Especially given the fact even a low end laptop (not bare & with ability to swap memory/storage.. like on many Acer models, etc.) comes right under the base price of the *BAREBONE* version of the Um773 Lite lol?..
The competition for the Minisforum is more the NUC rather than the Mac Mini. I would like to see your comparison take on that.
I do wish mini PCs would consider the size of the power brick in their size. I'd rather the device be slightly bigger if that means no external power brick.
Honestly maybe if they used some standard integrated PSU board or whatever, for example my old monitor had integrated PSU, worked for a long time, can't complain, but first thing to go was PSU and since it was proprietary you couldn't buy replacement(It died after like 7-8 years). If it was external power brick then you can usually find something similar enough and if jacks don't match just switch jacks from old brick to new one and it should work. This is why nowadays I actually prefer external power bricks. And for sure there are some models that have it integrated.
I agree. These mini PCs are too small when you consider the heat they have to dump. 50 watts doesn't sound so high, but it's a lot in a small volume. It could be more quiet in a larger enclosure, and that would also allow for a power supply inside. Perhaps they could attempt to standardize small internal PC power supplies since the form factor seems to be increasingly popular. These computers also have a lot of ports, some of which use substantial cables. It's not good for the computer to be so light that it won't stay in place with six or more cables plugged in.
@@podunkis yeah. Especially when there are smaller, internal PSU standards already, like FlexATX, or NanoATX being done by HDPLEX.
I think though we're about to see an explosion of smaller PSU options, both internal and external, now that GaN is down in cost on many components.
Anyone know if a 15mm 2.5 drive would fit? Doesn't say on the website.
Their product page Q&A says the 16 gig config is supposed to be dual channel with 2 8 GB drives, so weird that yours is just a 16.
I wish they would make these mini PCs with the power brick integrated, like the Mac mini, even if they would become a little bit bigger.
Gaming performance with 2 sticks of RAM should increase dramatically.
If 1 stick of 4600C16 for the 5700G hurt the performance of those 8 ancient vega cores, then a single stick of 6000C40 is gong to hamstring those 12 RDNA2 cores
Edit, i dont have a 6900HS/7735HS to test, but on my two 5700G, R7 Pro 4750GE, and two Pro 4650G, with a miniITX 2 slot motherboard, a single stick of RAM really hurt gaming performance, you could claw back some performance by running the RAM at 4933C16(the fastest these CPUs support without using a 2:1 memory ratio with most limited to 4800C17/C18) but it is just better to use 4000C16 or 4400C19 with 2 sticks, and the jump from 4400 to 4933 with 2 sticks, while noticable, is not woth the cooling needed for 1.55v RAM, and good luck getting a 32GB kit to hit this speed without 1.7v and water cooling
Also, 16:05 the fan sucks in air from the apparently filtered bottom, then shoots it out both finstacks, someone needs to take this design to its logical conclusion and have an X/+ shaped cooler with a fan in the center and 4 finstacks, with a taller, lower RPM fan, i bet something like this could handle 100+w
I was thinking the same thing. Get this comment to the top!
@denvera1g1 it doesn't matter. DDR5 comes as dual channel already per stick. so adding another stick will give it QUAD channel instead and the performance jump from dual to QUAD isn't as significant as single to dual. watch Jarrod's Tech videos for more details. the 5700G is still using DDR4. big difference between DDR4 vs DDR5 SODIMMS, the tech has changed.
@@prinzseptimii9660 Fundamental misunderstanding of how memory works, its not your fault, the marketing people want customers confused. DDR4 and DDR5 use the same number of pins(288 for desktop), DDR5 just splits a normal channel into 2 sub channels.
My sub $100 16GB single rank kit of DDR4 pushed to 4933C16 beats out DDR5 5400C40 in both bandwidth(slight win at 75GB/s) but significantly in latency(49ns)
Most Laptop DDR5 is going to be around 64GB/s until they get faster kits
Yes DDR5 is quad channel, but at the end of the day, its the same 80+80 bits as dual channel DDR4(IIRC DDR5 uses more of those bits for data i think DDR4 uses 64 and DDR5 uses 72 but this is from memory and may be incorrect)
What DDR5 does better is memory interleaving by splitting each channel into 2 sub channels, this makes that C40 effectively act like C28-34 ish, IMO this is better than the difference between DDR4 single and dual rank.
Now take that sub $100 kit of RAM that as far as i can tell across all 8 samples will all hit at least 4933C18 and compare it to available laptop DDR5 SODIMMs. You'd be hard pressed to find a kit that even rivals desktop DDR4 4400C18, there is a 5600C46 kit, but it looks to be single rank with terrible sub timings. That 5600 laptop may or may not have better bandwidth than DDR4 4400C19 but it will have terrible latency(more important for CPU than the GPU).
The problem is that right now most kits are 4800C40
i would absolutely love to get one of these for a new recording booth. need to try and fit it in the budget.
Doesn't a radial fan like that suck in air from the side? through the holes where you can see the fins?
I like the part where you didn’t show the m2 cinebench score because it’s optimized.
I like the part where you skipped he said this is great if you don't need MacOS, which is true
Because apart from specific software usage, like FinalCut or Premiere, it would be a waste of money
@@thunderarch5951 And Jake is a daily Mac user, its obviously the writers who have a bone to pick. Tall poppies.
@@destructodisk9074 fuck off, thank you kindly
For people who value power draw, the Mac Mini is a no brainer, vanlife, tiny homes, etc. Still a great mini pc this Minisform is!
I’m realizing my home server. Would be 200$ a year to run consistently
50w is nothing
@@georgitodorov4048 Sure but 20w is even less and especially in some countries in europe the energy cost is insanely high so it would actually make sense to spend more buying something that draws less. Looking at it longer term ofcourse.
@@twitcharchive0 30w difference at 100% load for 24/7 usage will taka many many years to do that i feel like you are trying to justify your bad purchase.
@@georgitodorov4048 I mean OP also said van life for example and at that point you have limited power. With the Mac Mini you would get more than double the time. But even when talking about normal houses here in germany 1 kwh costs 0,40€ so if it literally runs 24/7 at 30 Watts more that would cost me 105€ a year extra. Granted that is not a crazy amount but in the long run it definitely adds up. I have made bad purchases in the past and don't try to justify those. Just really think it is a good device simply because of the insanely low power draw. In the states electricity is much cheaper so there it would not be worth doing imo.
This looks like a really powerful mini computer to stow away somewhere in a home studio. I bet it can run any DAW with numerous plugins running with ease. The CPU should be able to handle a lot of workload. I wonder about the noise level of the fan when you push it really hard.
Just bought 1 myself to find out!
@@joeelder1629 Awesome! Keep us posted here. 🙂
just as a heads up the cooling works differently then when you explained in this video the manufacturer has a picture of how it supposedly works i wonder if it is how you said or what they have in the image on the website can you rest it
Not quite a mac mini killer given that the M1/M2 mac mini has better performance while using less power, which means less heat and therefore less fan noise. The upgradability is nice though but really only suitable for less demanding tasks such as being used for web browsing, coding, as a media centre or home server. For more demanding tasks and hardware installation/upgrade options a custom built full-size desktop PC that uses the ATX form factor is still the best option.
Please do a Windows 10 vs 11, is it safe yet or reccomended for Gamers video
It's been safe since launch, I've been running it on a 5900X and RTX 3080 with no problems
Windows 11 has always been Windows 10 + privacy violations and minor GUI tweaks. It makes absolutely no difference once you're in an application and never has.
Windows 11, is just Windows 10, with small upgrades (like much better HDR, core scheduling, file explorer tabs, etc). It's been stable since launch.
Generally, there are no noticeable differences in terms of performance. If you want to play old games, I recommend DEFINITELY Windows 10. Windows 11 has big problems with 32Bit applications.
Appreciate yalls feedback. However they just posted a video like a few weeks ago about another windows 11 issue. I want someone to do a full deep dive etc
What do you use to install software so easily? At time stamp 7:15 you can see the website saying “what software do you want” and he’s choosing it there. Always wondered what LTT used for this on every computer they use.
It's called Ninite, it's been used in IT for many years.. :)
It's a website called ninite
Really wish Minis Forum kept using the power delivery USB C port like in the UM560 and UM580
LMAO this is not a Mac Mini killer, the graphics performance is half of the M2 10 Core version for the same price 😂
Dumb script, dumb video title. What even is this? Why the MAC reference? A Mac is a Mac. A PC is a PC. They're not even comparing a similar priced Mac in Game/Work tasks. Get your stuff together, jeez!
But that gpu is pretty much unsable for the average user. Better to have a usable weak hpu than to have a more powerful but useless gpu.
At least you got the option for an eGPU
That would make a perfect travel gaming pc. Pair it with an eGPU over thunderbolt and a small USB type C monitor and all that would fit in a backpack.
lol a gaming laptop with extra steps
At that point an ITX desktop would fit in a backpack. eGPU is not for travel, it's for when you're done traveling.
You say its good for travel cause its small, then mention eGPU which are huge.. Just get a gaming laptop and be done with it.
This is probably an extremely rare use case, but this thing would probably be great for a Foundry VTT server/PC. Between the RAM and also the SSD and the fact that it can connect to ethernet, playing on it and others connecting to it would be pretty good.
It´s a blower type fan, the intake is where you can see the fan fins. Both heat sinks are outputs