Cfmoto clutches “truth and lies”
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- This is to hopefully dispel some of the lies and help clear the air on cfmoto clutching.
Razorback belt temp gauge
Razorback 3.2
• Razorback 3.2
MSC vs. RNG Stage 3
• MSC vs. RNG Stage 3
vauhtivarikko.com/clutch-kits
Hopefully everyone can see this info is to help clear the air so theirs no longer any misconceptions about what they need or can use to help find what fits best for their application. This info is general info regardless of it being a zforce,uforce,cforce.
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Great video and very helpful. Thanks! 950 HO EX and UForce 1000XL here.
Thank you. I’m glad it helps out.
Your clutch video hit a home run. This is very informative and its ppls choices to pick what they want. Im staying with MSC because with more testing being done and with my experience its been rock solid.
Absolutely bud
Great Video! Your Chart Comparison was super helpful to me personally, it's actually screen shot and saved on my phone. Just got my msc stage 3 kit in and am stoked to install it. A video on how to soften or stiffen shocks would be helpful. I run mine on the roads 99% of the time here in the mountains of NC
Awesome you’ll love your stage 3 clutch for sure. As for the shocks I could show my adjustments and it will help some. But to be fair the stock shocks are extremely limited in their capabilities. But let me see what I can work up. I definitely appreciate the idea.
@mjmisadventures950 got the ecu tune too. just gotta take it off line for alittle bit to send it. on shock something simple this way softens this way hardens lol
What machine do you have by chance so maybe I can make the info more broad or more specific to help suit everyone.
I haven’t done the tune just yet because I’m selling it soon for the new Segway. But I was gonna do an ecm tune video but nobody other then msc wanted to step into the ring and compete other then msc and another individual that tuned. I didn’t wanna do that because there wouldn’t be enough competition to make the video worth doing. But msc has a great safe running tune and helps to keep the motor cool as well.
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Well man this was great. I have a cfmoto 600. I am decided on what to do. My throttle response Is horrible, and the in-gauge of the belt to tires is horrible also. I just want that push throttle and it moves. So I think I am going to get a stage 1. Been doing resurch and this one sounds the best to do for my application. Thank for a good informative review.
The stage 1 is a great upgrade. Definitely helps a ton. Helps keep the belt temps down as well.
@mjmisadventures950 yeah I do more of hunting and working at the archery range with it. Little trail riding, mostly dirt roads. We will see how it all works. I just ordered the 1st stage clutch kit. Yeah the engine temp is anouther thing and the engine light keeps coming on for the o2 sensor. It has been in the shop for this 2 times. The o2 keeps failing.
Cool video man! Lots of good info.
Thanks man i appreciate it. Cant wait to see your next video bud.
I bought a Mac stage 2 kit and it destroyed my clutches had to have my primary replaced. Also it was installed my my dealer. Went to the rng kit and love it great for my riding style
Glad you like his kit. I’ve been fortunate that mine has given me zero issues so far “knock on wood”.
Well said. Great video.
Thank you I appreciate it. Tried to be fair and just give some honest truth to everyone
Great video.
Thank you sir. I appreciate it.
I wish Duraclutch made one for CF Moto machines. I has one on a 2017 Ranger XP1000 I had and it was worth the $ and then some.
Great video buddy. Very informative.
Thanks buddy
I just stumbled upon your channel and thought I would check it out. Glad I did cause you gave straight forward information that for whatever reason a lot of people like to skirt around these days. I happened to have purchased the stage 2 clutch kit from MSC and in my opinion was a good purchase cause like you said, it comes with that trust washer. Other kit don’t have it. I only installed the stage 1 kit so for because I wanted to see the differences for myself. Wow! There’s a major difference. Completely lost the midrange bog and that’s without the upgraded secondary spring installed. I’ll probably wait on the stage 2 part until I buy the helix cause I only want to pull that secondary apart once. Thanks refreshing information. 👍🇺🇸
Moral of the story: Talk to the people about how you use the machine and let them pick the clutch for you. Assuming you trust them to sell what you need rather than whats the most expensive.
I agree in a way but that’s why I put this out so people have some basic information to help them get 95% of what they need to get to the shops and get that last 5% to buy. But great comment.
Great info, just found your channel. Could only watch a bit of it, did listen to the whole thing as too much camera movement.
Yeah I agree as well. I normally have jamon do the filming but she was under the weather so I was forced to do it myself. But I agree. Hopefully you found it helpful and useful as well. Thanks for commenting
Frist, you need to use a tripod so you have hands free. Second I bought a RNG clutch kit because My UFroce1000 was jerky and it didn't stop it so then I bought a MSC stage 1 kit and installed it, neither made it smooth but better. Then I drilled out the gas pedal and installed a spring which helped a lot. Crazy, but I then went back to the RNG kit and it's pretty smooth so I don't know if it's the spring or which clutch kit helped the most or the fact I have a few more miles on it. Thanks for the video as being new to this machine I need all the help I can get.
Funny I had the tripod but chose to not use it because of lightning issues. But I agree or I should’ve have my wife help me out a bit. Now as for the clutch smoothness that to me is a mixture of things I know these have a super choppy gas pedal. Some people have bought the Polaris pedal and that supposedly makes it way smoother. The rng clutch is slightly smoother off the line because it’s a linear rate spring that’s very soft so it does help. The issue typically comes from as you go faster it tends to slip more and more. Where the msc clutch is a bit different it’s fairly smooth off the line but as you speed up the spring moves into a stiffer portion of the spring “Ie progressive rate spring” so as you put more load it gets stiffer and grabs better to the belt. But I’ve seen a few people use the spring trick to help.
Thanks for the reply, now I got to go buy the Polaris pedal and change back to the MSC clutch kit, only kidding, no I am not kidding as I will try anything to make this machine as smooth as can be. thanks for your video's.@@mjmisadventures950
Absolutely buddy I’d also look into a tune because I know msc try’s to make the throttle pedal more predictable and bring it back to behave like a drive by cable vs drive by wire. So that might be a good thing to look into as well.
Great comparison of these two clutch kits vs stock, like that you tested both Stage 1 & Stage 3.
the one question that I have is what degree Helix was used in each of the Stage 3 kits and were they a straight or multi-angle progressive Helix.
So the Msc clutch was a 38-52 degree straight helix. That’s their trail kit I have now. Their mud I think is a 32-48 and they have a new road one but I’m unsure of what its numbers are
Yea I bought a stage 3 trail clutch kit on my stock cforce 600. I thought I did the proper research but obviously did not. I installed everything besides the secondary spring until I buy 27 in tires.
Good to hear I’m glad it helped some.
With the stage 1, apart from smoother take-offs and lowering belt temps (i assume lower engine rpm too?) does the stage 1 increase or lower the top speed of tje vehicle?
Long of the short you will sacrifice top speed but you gain way more bottom end. If you ride 60 mph and under it’s a great option. But if you watch my stage 3 comparison I break everything down at the end of the video. I have a stage 3 trail kit and still get 74mph but if you want to keep your top end look at their stock performance plus kit
Can you cover springs? I have a 24 UForce 1000. I’m thinking of Elka shocks but I just saw super Atv sells just the shock not the set
Let me see what I can come up with.
Bandit Utv suspension
so whats you recomend for stockt tires and ride almost on road or trails?
Msc has a street and road use kit.
Where did you purchase rear view mirror? I’m located in Canada
I actually found it at tractor supply in their scratch and dent/sale section for 12 dollars. But msc,Dennis Kirk and a few other big shops offer them for 30 dollars or so.
What does clocking the secondary spring do
Clocking the spring essentially adds preload to the spring effectively giving it more pressure
So stage one kit will work for trail riding with 28 tires on z force 800 ex with out helix
Yes it will work. But your going to loose some top end speed. If that’s a concern you can buy the helix to get that top end back.
I want to put a stage 3 on my cf moto cforce x1000 but idk if it's worth the money to do that 🤔
What’s your setup?
So if I want to go to a size 29 tire and all I do is your average trail driving nothing crazy not trying to rock crawl or anything stage one clutch kit MSC
That’s correct. A stage 1 will do what ya need her to do. Plus help cut some of the belt heat down.
info was good. Camera control & audio not so much.
Yeah my wife was feeling a bit under the weather that day so I was on my own
I love local to RNG , thought I wanted to keep my money local and go through him for parts, but after him making videos just bashing others and msc , I have decided not to spend my money with them , and I have also upgraded to the villain
Unfortunately I feel the same way. When we did talk I said just build a great product and let it do the talking for you. How are you liking the villain so far?
@@mjmisadventures950 so far I love it , to me it's like an x3 but you can see over the hood ,it's a comfortable ride but it is a little noisy, but we are glad we traded in the 950 even though we loved that also
I hear ya I drover “Sxsoutcast’s” and I love the suspension and how it handles but for me there wasn’t as much punch like the cfmoto has. We have an order in for the super villain as soon as they come in we’re just waiting on them though
Are you local to the Akron Canton area , if you are we should get together and ride , this weekend we are headed to rush off-road
No I’m in central pa.
So in reality just stick with the factory clutching . It sounds like to me if you’re not into mud and want big tires then just stick with factory
In a way yes and in a way no. The stock clutching is ok but a bit jerky I wasn’t a huge fan of that. Also a few of the clutch kits actually cool your belt drive down while also adding some performance that you don’t need to tap into all the time.