I like the small MX4 for being able to ride it in town and small trails. If I'm going to ride a 100 mi loop. I'll get to KTM 300 out. I personally can't justify spending the money on an e-bike when you can buy a real dirt bike with real suspension right out of the box for the same price. You guys should try some 300 two strokes and ride some single track. Thanks for the review! Always cool to watch
Coming from a lifelong rider of absolutely every motorcycle type, I completely understand this sentiment. I kept going back and forth for over a year before breaking down and buying a used MX4 and without a doubt it's an entirely different experience. I paid $3,800 and have absolutely bought dirt bikes and street bikes for that amount or cheaper. If you need a vehicle, buy a motorcycle, if you want to have some of the most fun you can in sooo many more places, then buy an ebike. It's incredible how quite it is, outside of a 10 feet you can't even hear the chain, which allows you to go just about anywhere and people don't even bat an eye. It can be thrown on most mountain bike racks with the battery out, it's super easy to load up and take around to different places. Motorcycles can sometimes be a pain in the ass to lug around, even the little 2 strokes. It's not a motorcycle, it's an entirely different class of bike, and thus really should not be compared to such. It's fun in all the right ways, reliable, and less maintenance overall. Still not going to get rid of my motorcycles, but like they say in the video, the Talaria just gets me out riding more often, in the city and some pretty remote places, and that's ultimately what's important. (All that said, nothing beats that 2 stroke smell 😅)
@@DeathGamer27 100%. I love how small the MX4 is and how you can ride it in the city and mountain bike trails. At the end of the day you just need both lol. Like you say they're just so different. But when you get into a full-size 200 lb+ eBike that costs between 10 and 15,000. That's kind of where I draw the line. They're just not quite there yet. I'm sure they will be in a couple years.
@@barryhallsack8852 agreed, it's outrageous, imo, to spend $10,000+ on an e-bike that can only do 40 miles and then takes 2-4 hours to charge back up. I think that's why the MX4 and Surron Light Bee make so much sense, it's the right price range for the right amount of fun. Entirely different subject here, but I think that's why it's been so hard for electric motorcycles to flourish. Even my big ole 1700cc muscle bike gets 40 miles to the gallon (when I'm being nice to it lol), and I can fill up for less than 20 bucks in this ridiculous economy. You just don't have that freedom with e-motorcycles and its gonna be a minute before we reach a point where the charge time and range can compete. Cars are just easier to make electric since you can fit more batteries, larger charger controllers, more amenities, etc.
@@DeathGamer27I like the MX4 for the beginners and the kids, it's a lot of fun and super easy to ride. But at the end of the day I love my gas powered machines 😆. But the future is coming. I know it's going to be all about the electric in 10 years. Ride safe. Cheers!
Thanks for your input. I'm trying to decide on an MX4 now, or wait and see how the dragon performs. I'm not keen on a primary belt drive (except on the Norton Atlas). I see how a larger than MX4 bike would nolonger be stealthy around town and more difficult to transport and store. I'm 5'11" 230lbs. I have little desire to race or take large jumps, so the MX4 is probably about what I'm looking for. It's still an electric mountain bike, whereas the Ulta Bee or Dragon are "motorcycles" to the casual observer.
I think your content is great. You often have insightful, well thought out things to say about the bikes. I would like to suggest one thing to increase your production value. The POV footage is an essential part of the content. However, your episodes could really benefit from having more footage of you riding the bikes from different angles. You actually often have the perfect scenario riding with 2 or 3 people consistently. You can just film each other more. The viewers then get to see the bikes working is different scenarios under riders of different sizes. Keep up the awesome work!
Yes we agree, more angles are needed and its something we are working on, a lot more was planned for this video however our audio failed us the first time so we actually had to reshoot all the riding clips a few days later and each went out alone. Expect more in the future!
I have both the Light Bee and the Ultra Bee. I would say the Light Bee is a great dick around bike. Easy to get away with it around town for now till they start cracking down on it. Taking it on the trail is challenging. You can't put nearly a wide enough tire on the back and your tire choice is pretty limited. If I am going to ride trails much prefer the Ultra Bee. More comfortable, suspension can handle the terrain better. I am perfectly fine with my Ultra Bee stock, the Light Bee definitely feels like it needs to be upgraded right away.
Congrats on the 10k subs boys. Thanks for all the great info you give out. Still loving my Talaria for the same reasons you guys do, its a little bit more 'under the radar'. Cheers from Oz.
Hey man where abouts your ride in aus, I'm in south west sydney looking to get dirt bike and wondering places to ride weather I get ultra bee, crf300l or smaller e bike like e ride pro ss 2.0
I’m new to the e moto bike scene and come from a background of riding dirt bikes most of my life. I just picked up a Sting R last month and you give some very realistic advice with all this so good work with that. Not many people have that ability to remind people that there are more than one option that will work and not having to follow just one way of doing things. Keep up the good work guys Cheers 🍻 🤙🏼
I've had my mx4 for almost 4 months now. The only thing i've changed are the pads to the shimano ones. Sooo much fun. Plenty of power for me. I'm jsut looking for bigger breaks because i feel like that's where it lacks. I'm 5'10(no shoes) about 200lbs guy that's a gym goer. It is such a blast! My goal is to get to know it even more and tweak the suspension. One of my best purchases right a long side my first electric long board.
Just ordered my Talaria sting R on Black Friday. It’s winter in RI right now but I’m still pulling it out as soon as it gets here 😂 dope videos and reviews, you guys helped me choose
the main thing the ultra bee is build with high quality moto parts compared to the talaria/surrons with mountain bike parts. You will need to upgrade eveyrthing on the talaria to support having high power
Thats the thing. I have a stock Sur Ron right now and don't use it much cuz there are no trails near me. I am thinking of selling it and getting a Zero FX. Then I can still do trails and it's good on the street and can even go on the freeway.
Congrats guys, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more bikes and more mods. I have a Talaria MX3 and MX4. First time hearing about the Dragon, and I am sure it will be a killer bike! Talaria is not only paying attention, they are taking serious notes. I can't see letting go of the Sting R even if I get the Dragon, though. Different bikes for different purposes like you said!
I bought an Ultra bee with the intention of selling my light bee but couldn't do it in the end. The light bee is such a fun bike and you're right it's in a different category. Just throw it in the truck and go ride it anywhere.
I am thinking about purchasing a Talaria Sting R but I watched a video by someone named “Sur Ronster” about another bike made by Eride that supposedly outperforms the Talaria (both compared “out of the box”) for approximately $500 more than the Sting R including having a bigger battery, better display and lights. I wanted your input on this subject as I consider you the go-to guys in answering this question. I’m concerned about the durability of the Eride in addition to the support I may need with any problems that may occur with the bike. I live in Bluffdale, Utah..a short distance from a Talaria dealer in the Orem area and that is comforting knowing that they are able to address any service related Talaria problems, parts, etc. (I couldn’t find a local dealer for this Eride bike.) I would greatly appreciate your opinion. (PS: I love your videos riding in my/our local, awesome Utah scenery.)
If the eride pro SS is beltdriven, that would be a no for me; however, the SS is better out of the box $5995. That’s if you plan to stay put & not significantly upgrade. If it were my money I’d do that & wait for whatever comes after the Storm or modify the Storm, which is essentially a decent 2-in-1. All-in-all, even though the game has significantly changed, it remains the same, for now.
I wear some Shorty Moto boots that work really well, they do run very large in size at least 1 whole size up if your buying them, I bought 11 and I have to wear two thick pairs of socks to make them fit right and I always fit 11.www.motosport.com/product/?code=SS-M-G-P-NA-PLA-DIRT&key=ONeal-2022-Rider-Shorty-Boots&cc=us&variant[ONA00JQ]=ONA00JQ-X001-Y001&cc=us&variant[ONA00JQ]=ONA00JQ-X001-Y001&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAqNSsBhAvEiwAn_tmxWOOfM0uUk58kUtRvjVqZDUF3xnhhWSL-FFnkcISHGxvzLZC7D5uixoCvZgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&variant=ONA00JQ-X001-Y004
Love your content. I think when I do get one I will probably get the Ultra B and put Supermoto wheels on it with a different sprocket a different Controller a light kit for road use but change out the wheels when I trail ride. Do you guys think that would work out ok? Thanks for the videos and any suggestions.
I really love my Mx3! I’m planning to start upgrading it soon, should I do suspension first or controller and battery? I have the dnm fork. I haven’t ridden an ultra bee but I bet it’s super fun!
Just curious, why wouldn't you just get a tag for the ultra bee so you can ride out from your house, etc... I'm Inbetween the ultra bee and an upgraded talaria myself, as I come from riding dirtbikes so I want to be able to ride an mx track but still have a lighter bike than a standard dirtbike without the maintenance if I don't ride all time, so I think either of them will work, but kinda leaning towards the talaria as I do want a smaller bike and or the dragon if it's going to be lighter than a dirtbike.
If you’re wanting a lighter bike you should go with the talaria mx4. When it’s fully built it only weighs 175 lbs. if you full build an ultra bee the weight can get close to 215 lbs. the ultra bee is better for Mx track The dragon is a long way out so I wouldn’t wait for that. Plus it’s close to 230 lbs
Hi Talaria Boys do you think it would be a good decision too get a torp tc1000 and other upgrades and put it on a Ultra Bee straight away out of the box or do you think i should wait until i get used to the power first and then put some upgrades on?
I would recommend just getting used to it stock, its an amazing bike and has lots of power. If you find yourself wanting more you can always upgrade down the road!
I think your mindset of coming from a MTB really resonates with me. I think I'm going with the Sting R vs the Ultra Bee. I have a huge ADV bike and want something much more MTB like rather than the heavier, bigger, harder to wrangle Ultra Bee. Thanks for this comparison, I've been back and forth for ages on the two since it's hard to find a local demo here.
Stock Ultra Bee with just the upgraded Torp controller for the win. New wheels would also be nice (+1k), bringing it up to less than 9k for a bike that easily competes with your $17,000 bike. This leaves me 7k left over towards a Dragon, good video nonetheless
I primarily ride street and have a street legal plated sting R but cant decide whether I should upgrade the controller and battery on my Sting R or buy an ultra bee or buy a motorcycle. Upgrading my Sting R would be around $3800 so not much of a difference between just buying an ultra bee or a mid range Honda adventure bike. Good thing its winter and I have 4 months to decide what to do haha
I have a talaria and love it for single track it's amazing.. although I recently just bought a Honda CRF 250l and love it as well you can't go wrong either way but the Talaria is much better in the woods
@jacobsinclair6119 I just love the silence and feel of an electric bike, it makes me feel more connected to my surroundings. But I want more range! Looking at the 2024 Honda Transalp if I go full on motorcycle
Really curious to what a Ultra Bee would feel like vs a Stark. I've got a Light Bee with a good amount of upgrades (stock power/battery) but 16/19" and basically the entire Prickly catalog. Recently put a deposit down on the Stark, so I now start my 1 year wait. But I think I will keep the Light Bee as the two bikes are so different.
Hey guys can you help me out what would be the easiest/cheapest way to upgrade the range? IS battery the only option or does changing the controller actually increase range too?
I own a Talaria and a YZ250f. They are different animals for sure - but the biggest separation for me is the suspension. For trails and pavement the talaria is fine - but it cant cope with the track or anything approaching enduro. I love the electric bike, but it has to have full big bike suspension to be an option for me.
I've seen a few people converting front forks over from a KTM. but it adds a lot of weight to the front end. I think to get the best of both worlds, you need to start with a 125 or 250 rolling chassis and add a motor and custom battery. or just save up for a Stark Varg or Honda's CR when it passess out of prototype.
I was going to say the same thing. I have a KTM 350 with upgraded suspension and a Talaria and they are not meant to do the same thing. In terms of enduro, heavy riding through rock gardens, going up very steep hills fast, durability and so on, a Chinese electric dirt bike will not stand the test of time like a Japanese or Austrian built machine.
@@fastback6578yeah that's fair, they have a lot of catch up to do. Even the gas powered Chinese bikes are still behind in tech and reliability. but they will get there, and it will be cheaper when they do. It took Japan 10 years to catch up to American and British bikes and now they dominate all offroad. China just has to copy the suspension and provide a power plant that's reliable and they will be be there too.
@@Talariaboys Just maxing it out though sounds like it would be crazy powerful and fun though, I get why you wouldn't but have you tested it out? I was surprised you didn't for the first Ultra video
@@Bengy22 so the first ultra video we did max out the phase amps to what our stock motors could handle. Any higher and we definitely risk burning them up.
@@Talariaboys From my understanding even the stock motor you could have maxed the phase amps just for a short test. Long term it can't handle it due to heat but just for a drag race it can, also the thermal roll back should kick in before any damage is done.
Bro the 6'3 doesn't matter anymore with customization lol I'm 6'3 as well and I still think the xxx with taller bars is all I had to do to make it insane and comfortable! I come from a 250 yzf background so yes I get the big bike feel... but I imagine it depends on riding circumstances right? Like the whole are we riding casual, trail riding, or track bikes? I feel like obviously the larger bike gor bigger things buuuuuuut for your everyday stuff talaria sting or xxx with mods all day bro! #talariaboysforlife Lol Love this channel! You guys are totally my bros at this point in my head lol
I love the small bikes too! We just get a lot of tall people telling us they don't like them because they feel like toys but I'm with you! Thanks for watching hopefully someday you can join us for a ride.
What your not talking about is the fact that for half the money you can get the ultra bee. You should be comparing stock to stock, or just a controller mod. Your comparing 7k vs a like 13k build
We are comparing upgraded bikes for a reason. It’s fun to see the best of both size categories. Both these bikes are very close in price with these upgrades.
Big missed opportunity here. Noone has done a vid of stock MX4 vs stock Ultra Bee in a Race/top speed/range test side by side comparison and i know theres so many people who would wanna know how they perform against eachother completely stock.
I don’t think you’re getting away with anymore on your sting than the ultra bee. You guys’ stings look every bit as much like dirt bikes as the ultra bee in my opinion!
You guys are comparing these bikes on neighborhood trails not serious riding areas which is how you ride - now. Try going somewhere with some serious riding conditions and get back to us then. That must also be the reason you haven't mentioned upgrading the suspension in your upgrades as these are light weight forks and shocks on these things.
In this case yes because that's all that was available to ride because winter had hit. We do ride much more challenging trails when available. Also you know trails on video look mellow compared to in real life right?
Great video however I think its important to mention that Talarias and light bees are like pit bikes with mountain bike ergonomics and components no matter how much money you put into them. They will never be as confidence inspiring on technical single track with rocky hill climbs or fast whooped out sections or really even fast and flowy trails as a dirt bike. Whereas with the ultrabee you have the ergonomics, suspension, brakes, and weight of a smaller dirt bike. Which really translates to a bike that you will have fun on even if your already experienced, it is capable of doing everything a full size dirt bike is with all the benefits of being smaller, lighter, and electric. If you are new to riding you will be able to continually learn proper riding technique and grow as a rider. A talaria or light bee are awesome and way better choices for pit bike style riding or unfortunately mountain bike trail poaching. An ultra bee and most likely the talaria dragon are better choices for people that want electric dirt bikes for trail/single track riding. Also, I think you guys may be slightly out of touch on your talarias not looking like dirt bikes. To the average person they all look like dirt bikes. Even a guy loading his ktm 250 didn't know my ultra bee was bigger than his talaria, he thought I just had an upgraded light bee until he asked. The ultra bee is a lot smaller than a full size dirt bike even with 21/18.
every trail you guys ride on your stings i ride my ultra with no problems i live in utah county and ride it on the street and foot hills all the time and have never been pulled over, ride respectfully in utah and you are go to go on a ultra,, do get more looks from cops when i run my 18/21's but i usually ride my stock 19in wheels with Shinko 244 Dual Sport Tires in town and foot hills and 18/21 out trail riding .. just don't ride like an idiot where they can see you....to us the bikes look different but to most people a built sting looks just like a ultra.
I just can't agree with you that a cop will stop you more on the ultra bee than on your flashy Talaria sting bikes. To use that as a reason is just not valid.
Ya definitely true! We were talking more without flashing decal kits and wheels, more just the size difference, if both bikes were all black then we feel the ultra bee would be a higher risk to get pulled over.
Get out and ride? Really? That my shit. I’ve Been saying that from the beginning. Come on bro, I love your videos but you can’t steal my closer. You got to get your own closing line. “Get out and Ride”is my shit. In less you give me props! You know the Etiquette.
Ya we totally would. We are totally honest and unbiased in our videos, our name really has nothing to do with it. We just named ourselves that because that’s the first bikes we bought.
I totally believe that but I'm also a bit concerned with the branding of your channel. You guys should be able to continue despite Talaria maybe not being the "flavor of the year" next year or the year after. If you catch my drift.
Love the channel guys! I picked up a talaria xxx thanks to your guys' reviews on it
I like the small MX4 for being able to ride it in town and small trails. If I'm going to ride a 100 mi loop. I'll get to KTM 300 out. I personally can't justify spending the money on an e-bike when you can buy a real dirt bike with real suspension right out of the box for the same price. You guys should try some 300 two strokes and ride some single track. Thanks for the review! Always cool to watch
Coming from a lifelong rider of absolutely every motorcycle type, I completely understand this sentiment. I kept going back and forth for over a year before breaking down and buying a used MX4 and without a doubt it's an entirely different experience.
I paid $3,800 and have absolutely bought dirt bikes and street bikes for that amount or cheaper. If you need a vehicle, buy a motorcycle, if you want to have some of the most fun you can in sooo many more places, then buy an ebike. It's incredible how quite it is, outside of a 10 feet you can't even hear the chain, which allows you to go just about anywhere and people don't even bat an eye. It can be thrown on most mountain bike racks with the battery out, it's super easy to load up and take around to different places. Motorcycles can sometimes be a pain in the ass to lug around, even the little 2 strokes.
It's not a motorcycle, it's an entirely different class of bike, and thus really should not be compared to such. It's fun in all the right ways, reliable, and less maintenance overall. Still not going to get rid of my motorcycles, but like they say in the video, the Talaria just gets me out riding more often, in the city and some pretty remote places, and that's ultimately what's important.
(All that said, nothing beats that 2 stroke smell 😅)
@@DeathGamer27 100%. I love how small the MX4 is and how you can ride it in the city and mountain bike trails. At the end of the day you just need both lol. Like you say they're just so different. But when you get into a full-size 200 lb+ eBike that costs between 10 and 15,000. That's kind of where I draw the line. They're just not quite there yet. I'm sure they will be in a couple years.
@@barryhallsack8852 agreed, it's outrageous, imo, to spend $10,000+ on an e-bike that can only do 40 miles and then takes 2-4 hours to charge back up. I think that's why the MX4 and Surron Light Bee make so much sense, it's the right price range for the right amount of fun.
Entirely different subject here, but I think that's why it's been so hard for electric motorcycles to flourish. Even my big ole 1700cc muscle bike gets 40 miles to the gallon (when I'm being nice to it lol), and I can fill up for less than 20 bucks in this ridiculous economy. You just don't have that freedom with e-motorcycles and its gonna be a minute before we reach a point where the charge time and range can compete. Cars are just easier to make electric since you can fit more batteries, larger charger controllers, more amenities, etc.
@@DeathGamer27I like the MX4 for the beginners and the kids, it's a lot of fun and super easy to ride. But at the end of the day I love my gas powered machines 😆. But the future is coming. I know it's going to be all about the electric in 10 years. Ride safe. Cheers!
Thanks for your input. I'm trying to decide on an MX4 now, or wait and see how the dragon performs. I'm not keen on a primary belt drive (except on the Norton Atlas). I see how a larger than MX4 bike would nolonger be stealthy around town and more difficult to transport and store.
I'm 5'11" 230lbs. I have little desire to race or take large jumps, so the MX4 is probably about what I'm looking for. It's still an electric mountain bike, whereas the Ulta Bee or Dragon are "motorcycles" to the casual observer.
I think your content is great. You often have insightful, well thought out things to say about the bikes. I would like to suggest one thing to increase your production value. The POV footage is an essential part of the content. However, your episodes could really benefit from having more footage of you riding the bikes from different angles. You actually often have the perfect scenario riding with 2 or 3 people consistently. You can just film each other more. The viewers then get to see the bikes working is different scenarios under riders of different sizes. Keep up the awesome work!
Yes we agree, more angles are needed and its something we are working on, a lot more was planned for this video however our audio failed us the first time so we actually had to reshoot all the riding clips a few days later and each went out alone. Expect more in the future!
I have both the Light Bee and the Ultra Bee. I would say the Light Bee is a great dick around bike. Easy to get away with it around town for now till they start cracking down on it. Taking it on the trail is challenging. You can't put nearly a wide enough tire on the back and your tire choice is pretty limited. If I am going to ride trails much prefer the Ultra Bee. More comfortable, suspension can handle the terrain better. I am perfectly fine with my Ultra Bee stock, the Light Bee definitely feels like it needs to be upgraded right away.
Congrats on the 10k subs boys. Thanks for all the great info you give out. Still loving my Talaria for the same reasons you guys do, its a little bit more 'under the radar'. Cheers from Oz.
Hey man where abouts your ride in aus, I'm in south west sydney looking to get dirt bike and wondering places to ride weather I get ultra bee, crf300l or smaller e bike like e ride pro ss 2.0
I’m new to the e moto bike scene and come from a background of riding dirt bikes most of my life. I just picked up a Sting R last month and you give some very realistic advice with all this so good work with that.
Not many people have that ability to remind people that there are more than one option that will work and not having to follow just one way of doing things.
Keep up the good work guys
Cheers 🍻 🤙🏼
Thanks for watching!
I've had my mx4 for almost 4 months now. The only thing i've changed are the pads to the shimano ones. Sooo much fun. Plenty of power for me. I'm jsut looking for bigger breaks because i feel like that's where it lacks. I'm 5'10(no shoes) about 200lbs guy that's a gym goer. It is such a blast! My goal is to get to know it even more and tweak the suspension. One of my best purchases right a long side my first electric long board.
Nice man! Thanks for watching. Glad your enjoying your bike
Great video guys! I also prefer the Sting R!
Good choice!
Just ordered my Talaria sting R on Black Friday. It’s winter in RI right now but I’m still pulling it out as soon as it gets here 😂 dope videos and reviews, you guys helped me choose
Congrats man! You'll love the Sting R... We keep trying other bikes and keep going back to it haha
How much was it on black friday?
@@thatdudeonyoutube was about the same price it is now on Luna cycle still, $200 off I believe
the main thing the ultra bee is build with high quality moto parts compared to the talaria/surrons with mountain bike parts. You will need to upgrade eveyrthing on the talaria to support having high power
Thats the thing. I have a stock Sur Ron right now and don't use it much cuz there are no trails near me. I am thinking of selling it and getting a Zero FX. Then I can still do trails and it's good on the street and can even go on the freeway.
I’ve rode my talaria sting R MX4 for a few weeks now and I still can’t believe how great it is!
It’s a great bike!
do you guys think the ext forks are good for a dh bike i built up a dh bike with a 8kw middrive and the manatu dorratos are not up to the task
Yes they would work very well!!
@@Talariaboysthanks
Congratulations Guys making it to 10k subs 👍👍🥂
Thanks!
I like my Sting R also. All I need. Once the Torp TC500 is available its a wrap.
Wait for our video on the TC500 and we’ll tell you what’s up!
@@Talariaboys you got one already ?
@@fiscustom5893 no not yet
We do have a Talaria Nucular p24f coming Wednesday to test on stock bike and battery!
Have you been able to instal a new motor? What is your range if you run it around 15kw ?
When are you guys going to test/compare a Sur-ron Storm?
Wow a new mx3 and everything else what a 20 kw stock telaria mx4 you guys are great I just want a small power bike I can be happy on any bike
Congrats guys, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more bikes and more mods. I have a Talaria MX3 and MX4. First time hearing about the Dragon, and I am sure it will be a killer bike! Talaria is not only paying attention, they are taking serious notes. I can't see letting go of the Sting R even if I get the Dragon, though. Different bikes for different purposes like you said!
Thanks for watching! Lots more cool videos on the way, wishing winter wasn't hitting so soon. Glad your enjoying your Sting's!
Amazing views you've got there in Utah.
I bought an Ultra bee with the intention of selling my light bee but couldn't do it in the end. The light bee is such a fun bike and you're right it's in a different category. Just throw it in the truck and go ride it anywhere.
I couldn’t agree more!
Will you purchase the Talaria Dragon when its released?
Yes we will!
honest words thank you!
Good ole Bountiful it looks like! Let me know next time you guys ride. Always down for single-track
I am thinking about purchasing a Talaria Sting R but I watched a video by someone named “Sur Ronster” about another bike made by Eride that supposedly outperforms the Talaria (both compared “out of the box”) for approximately $500 more than the Sting R including having a bigger battery, better display and lights. I wanted your input on this subject as I consider you the go-to guys in answering this question. I’m concerned about the durability of the Eride in addition to the support I may need with any problems that may occur with the bike. I live in Bluffdale, Utah..a short distance from a Talaria dealer in the Orem area and that is comforting knowing that they are able to address any service related Talaria problems, parts, etc. (I couldn’t find a local dealer for this Eride bike.) I would greatly appreciate your opinion. (PS: I love your videos riding in my/our local, awesome Utah scenery.)
I believe the Eride pro SS is a belt driven which I do not like.
If the eride pro SS is beltdriven, that would be a no for me; however, the SS is better out of the box $5995.
That’s if you plan to stay put & not significantly upgrade.
If it were my money I’d do that & wait for whatever comes after the Storm or modify the Storm, which is essentially a decent 2-in-1.
All-in-all, even though the game has significantly changed, it remains the same, for now.
Hey man hope you've been able to watch our review videos on the Pro SS!
If you’re planning to upgrade a mx4 you might as well get an ultrabee or stark.
Not necessarily, they are still very different bikes and the smaller upgraded bikes have there place.
Nice video i prefer the talaria
Good choice Hector!
Surely do a top speed test with this controller and motor set up
Ya we forgot haha it was very fast though
What boots are you wearing? Do they still provide protection?
I wear some Shorty Moto boots that work really well, they do run very large in size at least 1 whole size up if your buying them, I bought 11 and I have to wear two thick pairs of socks to make them fit right and I always fit 11.www.motosport.com/product/?code=SS-M-G-P-NA-PLA-DIRT&key=ONeal-2022-Rider-Shorty-Boots&cc=us&variant[ONA00JQ]=ONA00JQ-X001-Y001&cc=us&variant[ONA00JQ]=ONA00JQ-X001-Y001&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAqNSsBhAvEiwAn_tmxWOOfM0uUk58kUtRvjVqZDUF3xnhhWSL-FFnkcISHGxvzLZC7D5uixoCvZgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&variant=ONA00JQ-X001-Y004
@@Talariaboys Look like a great choice for an e-moto. Thanks! Currently riding my Surron in hikers or work boots, so these would be a nice upgrade.
Love your content. I think when I do get one I will probably get the Ultra B and put Supermoto wheels on it with a different sprocket a different Controller a light kit for road use but change out the wheels when I trail ride. Do you guys think that would work out ok? Thanks for the videos and any suggestions.
That’s sounds like a great idea. Just adding a controller to the ultra gets you a decent bit more power and it’s plenty fast for most people.
thanks for the vids guys.
Do the 0,30 mph test 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I really love my Mx3! I’m planning to start upgrading it soon, should I do suspension first or controller and battery? I have the dnm fork.
I haven’t ridden an ultra bee but I bet it’s super fun!
I’d like to buy your RUclips name how much?
No way bro, this is the best name ever idk how I even got it a few years ago!
You can Make me an offer tho
1000 vbucks?
I don’t know what that means? $1000 dollars?
Great video! Appreciate it guys
Thanks man!
Yes we enjoy your tires set up but what about trials tires set up
You can put some Shinko 241 tires on and they work great.
Have you heard of the Talaria Dragon
Yea! We are exited for it!
how reliable is the talaria sting over a longer time?
Very reliable! We have a bike with 5000 miles and it’s had no issues! Others with 2-3000 and are still going strong as well. They can take the abuse
What's the top speed on the ultra bee upgraded?
We didn't test but it was fast!
I am still waiting to hear from 79 bikes on new models
Just curious, why wouldn't you just get a tag for the ultra bee so you can ride out from your house, etc...
I'm Inbetween the ultra bee and an upgraded talaria myself, as I come from riding dirtbikes so I want to be able to ride an mx track but still have a lighter bike than a standard dirtbike without the maintenance if I don't ride all time, so I think either of them will work, but kinda leaning towards the talaria as I do want a smaller bike and or the dragon if it's going to be lighter than a dirtbike.
If you’re wanting a lighter bike you should go with the talaria mx4. When it’s fully built it only weighs 175 lbs. if you full build an ultra bee the weight can get close to 215 lbs. the ultra bee is better for Mx track
The dragon is a long way out so I wouldn’t wait for that. Plus it’s close to 230 lbs
Hi Talaria Boys do you think it would be a good decision too get a torp tc1000 and other upgrades and put it on a Ultra Bee straight away out of the box or do you think i should wait until i get used to the power first and then put some upgrades on?
I would recommend just getting used to it stock, its an amazing bike and has lots of power. If you find yourself wanting more you can always upgrade down the road!
@@Talariaboys Thank you for the infomation i agree with you guys that it has alot of power. god that thing just rips cant wait to get one.
I really hope you obtained a Ebike Pro SS or SR!!!!! Im thinking this will be the bike I purchase vs a sting r.
We do have an E ride pro S coming but not an SS yet
Ahhh Yes Perfict Video for me.. iv been thinking if I should Upgrade my sting mx3 or just wait and save till the Dragon comes out
I think your mindset of coming from a MTB really resonates with me. I think I'm going with the Sting R vs the Ultra Bee. I have a huge ADV bike and want something much more MTB like rather than the heavier, bigger, harder to wrangle Ultra Bee. Thanks for this comparison, I've been back and forth for ages on the two since it's hard to find a local demo here.
Right on!
Thanks!
What skid plate do you use with your EMBX controller on the MX4? I have the heavy hitter and Grit Shift told me that it wouldn't work.
We use the SXS skid plate
Stock Ultra Bee with just the upgraded Torp controller for the win. New wheels would also be nice (+1k), bringing it up to less than 9k for a bike that easily competes with your $17,000 bike. This leaves me 7k left over towards a Dragon, good video nonetheless
That would be fun!
Do you see a big difference with the torp controller with stock battery? If so, how?
I primarily ride street and have a street legal plated sting R but cant decide whether I should upgrade the controller and battery on my Sting R or buy an ultra bee or buy a motorcycle. Upgrading my Sting R would be around $3800 so not much of a difference between just buying an ultra bee or a mid range Honda adventure bike. Good thing its winter and I have 4 months to decide what to do haha
I have a talaria and love it for single track it's amazing.. although I recently just bought a Honda CRF 250l and love it as well you can't go wrong either way but the Talaria is much better in the woods
@jacobsinclair6119 I just love the silence and feel of an electric bike, it makes me feel more connected to my surroundings. But I want more range! Looking at the 2024 Honda Transalp if I go full on motorcycle
Ultra bee can carry the charger under the seat. Ultra bee for the win
Yep that’s a cool feature!
What kind of range are you getting during average speed trail rides on your mx4's with the 74v 42ah batteries?
30 plus miles with lots of climbing. Can get 35 if we go a little slower but still decently fast
Really curious to what a Ultra Bee would feel like vs a Stark. I've got a Light Bee with a good amount of upgrades (stock power/battery) but 16/19" and basically the entire Prickly catalog. Recently put a deposit down on the Stark, so I now start my 1 year wait. But I think I will keep the Light Bee as the two bikes are so different.
Ive seen a Varg in person and its definitely bigger but not a huge difference, That will be a fun two bike arsenal to have around!
Hey guys can you help me out what would be the easiest/cheapest way to upgrade the range? IS battery the only option or does changing the controller actually increase range too?
If you’re only looking for more range you could get a 60 volt battery with high amp hours. You can use your stock controller
@@Talariaboys Yes but the battery is about 2.5x the cash of a controller
I own a Talaria and a YZ250f. They are different animals for sure - but the biggest separation for me is the suspension. For trails and pavement the talaria is fine - but it cant cope with the track or anything approaching enduro.
I love the electric bike, but it has to have full big bike suspension to be an option for me.
I've seen a few people converting front forks over from a KTM. but it adds a lot of weight to the front end. I think to get the best of both worlds, you need to start with a 125 or 250 rolling chassis and add a motor and custom battery. or just save up for a Stark Varg or Honda's CR when it passess out of prototype.
I was going to say the same thing. I have a KTM 350 with upgraded suspension and a Talaria and they are not meant to do the same thing. In terms of enduro, heavy riding through rock gardens, going up very steep hills fast, durability and so on, a Chinese electric dirt bike will not stand the test of time like a Japanese or Austrian built machine.
The electrics are just expensive toys at the end of the day.
@@fastback6578yeah that's fair, they have a lot of catch up to do. Even the gas powered Chinese bikes are still behind in tech and reliability. but they will get there, and it will be cheaper when they do. It took Japan 10 years to catch up to American and British bikes and now they dominate all offroad. China just has to copy the suspension and provide a power plant that's reliable and they will be be there too.
@@tacticooldennis I'm eyeing the newer Escape-XR by Electric Motion but it ain't cheap, over 11k I'm afraid, price not yet available but will be soon.
only people who are short on money will regret purchases.
Or maybe realizing there’s better options out there lol.
@@emilianohernandez722 broke boy mentality
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nice intro boys😂
Thanks bro😂
Let's go fellas awesome content!
Thanks for watching!
@@Talariaboys NP just started my channel a few weeks ago! Love making content on these bikes
Wait ur pumping 30kw into stock motor????????? Ultra bee???!!
Nice
U
Have torp controller but on stock battery? No rihht
Any reason you don't have the phase amps maxed on both bikes?
They don’t need to be, we don’t need over 700 it’s got to much torque for the kind of riding we were doing
@@Talariaboys Just maxing it out though sounds like it would be crazy powerful and fun though, I get why you wouldn't but have you tested it out? I was surprised you didn't for the first Ultra video
@@Bengy22 so the first ultra video we did max out the phase amps to what our stock motors could handle. Any higher and we definitely risk burning them up.
@@Talariaboys From my understanding even the stock motor you could have maxed the phase amps just for a short test. Long term it can't handle it due to heat but just for a drag race it can, also the thermal roll back should kick in before any damage is done.
Bro the 6'3 doesn't matter anymore with customization lol I'm 6'3 as well and I still think the xxx with taller bars is all I had to do to make it insane and comfortable! I come from a 250 yzf background so yes I get the big bike feel... but I imagine it depends on riding circumstances right? Like the whole are we riding casual, trail riding, or track bikes?
I feel like obviously the larger bike gor bigger things buuuuuuut for your everyday stuff talaria sting or xxx with mods all day bro!
#talariaboysforlife
Lol
Love this channel! You guys are totally my bros at this point in my head lol
I love the small bikes too! We just get a lot of tall people telling us they don't like them because they feel like toys but I'm with you! Thanks for watching hopefully someday you can join us for a ride.
What your not talking about is the fact that for half the money you can get the ultra bee. You should be comparing stock to stock, or just a controller mod. Your comparing 7k vs a like 13k build
We are comparing upgraded bikes for a reason. It’s fun to see the best of both size categories. Both these bikes are very close in price with these upgrades.
lightweight is king! I don't want to haul around some 250-300lb bike. even the KTM e-freeride is a bit thicc.
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end of the day if u got the money buy both hehe iv spent over 1,000 on my mx4 lol
Thank you great video 🤘🏻 gonna buy me a Talaria TL 4000
You’ll love it!
NICE
Thanks
Big missed opportunity here. Noone has done a vid of stock MX4 vs stock Ultra Bee in a Race/top speed/range test side by side comparison and i know theres so many people who would wanna know how they perform against eachother completely stock.
Haha both these bikes are totally upgraded and there was really no way for us to turn them both all the way back to stock and run tests lol
@@Talariaboys Yeah i get that no way would it have been practical, would of been nice to see tho! Great vid either way 💯
I would say put a turn single kit on the surron and then it's street legal.
Ya that would be fun
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What’s up!!!
the motor don't have 30kwatts of power its = to 40 hp at 72volts for motor alim. the charge create your motor its arround 417amp/hrs. 🙂 big wire🙂
I don’t think you’re getting away with anymore on your sting than the ultra bee. You guys’ stings look every bit as much like dirt bikes as the ultra bee in my opinion!
Ya I suppose your right.
You guys are comparing these bikes on neighborhood trails not serious riding areas which is how you ride - now. Try going somewhere with some serious riding conditions and get back to us then. That must also be the reason you haven't mentioned upgrading the suspension in your upgrades as these are light weight forks and shocks on these things.
In this case yes because that's all that was available to ride because winter had hit. We do ride much more challenging trails when available. Also you know trails on video look mellow compared to in real life right?
Great video however I think its important to mention that Talarias and light bees are like pit bikes with mountain bike ergonomics and components no matter how much money you put into them. They will never be as confidence inspiring on technical single track with rocky hill climbs or fast whooped out sections or really even fast and flowy trails as a dirt bike. Whereas with the ultrabee you have the ergonomics, suspension, brakes, and weight of a smaller dirt bike. Which really translates to a bike that you will have fun on even if your already experienced, it is capable of doing everything a full size dirt bike is with all the benefits of being smaller, lighter, and electric. If you are new to riding you will be able to continually learn proper riding technique and grow as a rider. A talaria or light bee are awesome and way better choices for pit bike style riding or unfortunately mountain bike trail poaching. An ultra bee and most likely the talaria dragon are better choices for people that want electric dirt bikes for trail/single track riding. Also, I think you guys may be slightly out of touch on your talarias not looking like dirt bikes. To the average person they all look like dirt bikes. Even a guy loading his ktm 250 didn't know my ultra bee was bigger than his talaria, he thought I just had an upgraded light bee until he asked. The ultra bee is a lot smaller than a full size dirt bike even with 21/18.
every trail you guys ride on your stings i ride my ultra with no problems i live in utah county and ride it on the street and foot hills all the time and have never been pulled over, ride respectfully in utah and you are go to go on a ultra,, do get more looks from cops when i run my 18/21's but i usually ride my stock 19in wheels with Shinko 244 Dual Sport Tires in town and foot hills and 18/21 out trail riding .. just don't ride like an idiot where they can see you....to us the bikes look different but to most people a built sting looks just like a ultra.
I just can't agree with you that a cop will stop you more on the ultra bee than on your flashy Talaria sting bikes. To use that as a reason is just not valid.
Ya definitely true! We were talking more without flashing decal kits and wheels, more just the size difference, if both bikes were all black then we feel the ultra bee would be a higher risk to get pulled over.
Obviously
Get out and ride?
Really?
That my shit.
I’ve Been saying that from the beginning.
Come on bro, I love your videos but you can’t steal my closer.
You got to get your own closing line.
“Get out and Ride”is my shit.
In less you give me props!
You know the Etiquette.
Who are you? You’re really mad about us saying go out and ride? We’ve never even seen your channel
I mean honestly, being named "Talaria Boys" are you ever going to regret buying it on camera?
Ya we totally would. We are totally honest and unbiased in our videos, our name really has nothing to do with it. We just named ourselves that because that’s the first bikes we bought.
I totally believe that but I'm also a bit concerned with the branding of your channel. You guys should be able to continue despite Talaria maybe not being the "flavor of the year" next year or the year after. If you catch my drift.
They all look like dirtbikes😂😂😂 they are😮
True but the ultra does look more like one!
Day 1 of commenting until I get a talaria
Keep trying my friend!
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How do you fit the front fender on the talaria with a 21” wheel? Everyone says it won’t fit?
It fits just fine on most forks without changing anything.
What size tire are you using?
70/100/21