TRIGGERED: Leftist Debates Michael Knowles On Abortion Then WALKS AWAY
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- Опубликовано: 17 мар 2024
- Leftist attempts to debate The Daily Wire's Michael Knowles on bodily autonomy of organ donations compared to women...then walks away after being challenged.
Like any true coward she fled.
Exactly! LOL
The wicked flee when none pursue
She knew she had completely lost her argument and felt her only choice was to end debate.
They always run away.
She decided to try and floor her opponent by using the totally unrelated subject of organ donation. She therefore had no facts to back her up and her whole argument was based on emotions. There is only one winner in a fact versus emotion debate and she quickly started to hesitate, fumble and then started using accusations and insults. She then gave up and ran away but continued her insults making herself look even more ridiculous. Do schools no longer teach debating skills?
The baby is not your organ. End of debate.
Her point though was that the womb is her organ, and so she gets to decide what to do with it and who does and doesn't get to use it and for how long.
@@travismyers3396yeah and its the only organ that isnt for the woman, its the only organ that is designed for another human, not only that, you choose to have sex knowing the risk. All abortion arguments are, are for the deliberate killing of someone so you dont have to be responsible...thats all they ever really mean but they dont have the balls to say it.
@@travismyers3396Nope. You conveniently ignore many things she said.
yes it is her organ for the rest of her life, but the baby is only temporary part of her body, in a biologically sense she is keeping it safe until it is ready to move onto the next stage of its growth outside the body, lets call it stage 2 of life, with many stages beyond that through to old age and end stage, natural death. The game changer that blows any pro-choice bs argument out the water is the case of Siamese twins, each twin is co-dependant on the other, if one decides it doesn't like the other and destroys it's twin it is murder and suicide. not a nice thought, but then again neither is abortion. It not so much as case of my body my choice for a pregnant woman but more a case of my baby my responsibility before birth and after birth. Those who shirk that responsibility will have to answer to The Master Source. Forgiveness is possible for repentant Master Source believers who do commit evil but repent and seek His forgiveness @@travismyers3396
@@travismyers3396Agreed! She can deny donation of her organ. She cannot intentionally and directly end the life of the person in need of an organ.
She understood this as evidenced by her follow-up question: What if we just cut the umbilical chord (not directly ending the life).
I wish Michael was more equipped at making a case for pro-life.
She’s so messed up. If she cares so much about organs but not an ACTUAL INNOCENT BABY.
To be fair, she's actually pretending to care about the lives those organs could potentially save. She's still wrong and stupid, but she is not advocating that she values organs over life.
@@jahazielgarciaCorrect. Her failure is with her falsely equivocating abortion and organ donation. Not the same.
No, no, she doesn't view it as a baby yet, so she isn't "pretending" to care about people. She probably does care.
well when i was younger i used to be similar and for abortion now i lean more right but i really did believe all that stuff about republicans especially the men just trying to control womens bodies because well i wasn't exposed to that many right wing arguments for why abortion is wrong. alot of these people don't interact or know what the right actually believes and its hard for them to fathom that maybe people are just against abortion because well they do believe its a living human and its wrong to kill a human. it wasn't that i didn't care about babies but i mean there are difficult circumstances women go through that i thought it would be wrong to force them to have a child but now i am more against abortion and as a woman well i don't really worry about it too much since i don't have sex with just anyone.
Not really. She's clinging to the hope of proving hypocrisy. That's why she's sticking so hard to that comparison. Obviously, it's a poor comparison and it ultimately fails, but she's clinging because she still thinks she can "win" the argument.
she just ignores his answer and starts to slam his character. That is when you know you win.
Ad hominems and false equivocation.
@@bigguy7353Bazinga
The moment you prove them wrong, they scream, call you names, then run away... EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pidgin. They knock the pieces over, shit on the board, and struts around like they won.
She's a very typical leftist.
Why do a lot of women think that a fetus is not a human being?
If they acknowledged that it’s a human being, they’d bear the guilt of murder.
If you dehumanize someone, it's easier to justify killing "it". Blacks, Jews, babies, same story different day.
@@ladydi2745 In the moral sense if not the legal sense.
Capitalism doesnt
Because fake news CNN told them it’s not a human being.
"logic is entirely unrelated to what i was saying in the first place"
well, she's got that right!
Was gonna say the same thing lol.
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Logic is unreleated to pretty much everything liberals say lol
I was about to say the same shit 😂
Logic is unrelated to pretty much everything liberals say lol
The funny part is her believing she is clever. I feel embarrassed for her.
Can you imagine how many hours she spent the days leading up to this speech, typing it all up on her little phone thinking she had the argument to end all arguments on abortion and Michael dispatched of it in under 3 minutes. 😅
She’s no dumber than the people running the “institution of higher learning” that her parents are wasting a fortune for her to attend. On that note, no dumber than her parents.
Michael’s ability to stay calm, pleasant, charming and kind while absolutely tearing someone apart in a debate is uncanny.
Agreed, I think because he cares enough to the younger generation that is why he tries to talk with them and not upset when the people yelling at him.
@juliuscaesar455I love a rational argument. Do you think that people should be able to use the organs of other people, 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵?
If you created the child, there is no such thing as “consenting” to whether or not it “uses” the womb for the very singular and exact purpose for which the womb exists. When you chose to do the one thing that creates a child, that is where your consent ends and the consequences (good ones in this case as a baby is a wonderful thing) ensue.
The moment I choose to step off a cliff, it doesn’t matter whether I “consent” to gravity pulling me down, as it is a natural result of how the world works. I am obligated by nature’s laws to carry out to consequences of said action. My consent was useful only up to the point I used it to step off the cliff.
How about the fact that the vast majority of women who get abortions regret them? Their bodies know it’s wrong, that something went wrong, but we delude ourselves as a society into saying that somehow killing one’s offspring, one’s child, is somehow empowering or related to consent.
@@Mobius118Yes, a lot of women find abortion traumatic. No one's claiming that it's all kittens and rainbows, buddy. Thing is, people like you make it worse.
I can see how causing a problem for yourself (having the abortion) to avoid a bigger problem for multiple people (being a poor parent obviously greatly impacts the children, but also often affects wider society too) is considered by rational people to be a brave decision. It's not too great a leap to see how that can be empowering. Maybe you just don't have the bandwidth to understand that.
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Okay, so you've made it clear that, as far as you're concerned, women are not allowed bodily autonomy.
That makes you a Charming Upstanding Noble Type ...
Anyway, two questions: 1. Are women the only people who shouldn't have bodily autonomy?
And 2. Every time you get into a car do you consent to an accident? If not, why not?
LOVE HOW MICHAEL CAN DESTROY IN SUCH A GENTLEMANLY WAY. 💪🏼❤️
Matt*
@@rextar9961 lmaooooooo
He is really smart.
She threw a temper tantrum like the child she is.
"Gotcha" argument failed 😂🤦♂️
It started with false equivocation, so it never had a leg to stand on.
HE DOESN'T ANSWER THE WAY SHE WANTED HIM TO......& IT RUINED HER LINE OF QUESTION.
Girl spent 80k to NOT get an education. Next up she’ll debate the whole “why couldn’t I get a job that pays me $500k a year with my degree fresh out of college!?”
DEI is ensuring that people just like her are getting high-positions within major corporations.
And why do I have to pay these student loans back???
And she will be head of hr or ceo of a company in 5 years
@@missysbloglife No shit! I paid mine way back when but will I receive a check for payments rendered?
“Do you believe people should be forced to eat kale?
“No.”
“So then you believe that children should sleep in the mud.”
This is her logic.
She doesn't understand organ donation.
Wait, a baby in the womb isn't just another organ in the woman's body? It's like a ... whole DIFFERENT body!! Wow, what a concept.
That her kind can't seem to grasp.
ikr, that's some Sci Fi movie stuff! Seriously though, wonder if she views Bacteria asba living organism or not if it is inside her body.
She walks off like it was some kind of mic drop moment for her… So looney 😂
The organ donation argument has been refuted so many times. They really think this is a gotcha. Its always the RELATIONSHIP that is ignored. You have no moral obligation to provide resources to a stranger. You do have to for your own child. The baby has a RIGHT to its mothers care and the Uterus, which is designed for that. It is in its NATURAL place. No one artificially hooked anything together.
Please stop calling body parts "resources."
You are wrong. Your right to life ends when it directly depends on the body of another human being. A mother has a basic right to her own body, and it's really that simple. What don't you understand?
@@Demonizer5134We found one 😂😂😂
Your right to your body ends when you have sex. Use your brain. Sex = baby. YOU created the baby that's depending on you, it didn't ask to be brought to life. You knew the risk.
Very difficult concept, I know. It's called the consequences of your actions.
Shocking that this even has to be explained. But you probably know this already, you're just morally bankrupt.
@@Demonizer5134 No, a mother has a responsibility to care for her children. If your child dies from neglect or abuse, you will be charged for murder. I am a mother, I don't get to choose if I want to feed my child or not. That should apply to children in the womb. If our culture weren't so broken this wouldn't even be controversial.
@@Demonizer5134 The part where the unique genetic code in her womb is her body.
She stormed off like she won the argument.
They all do that. The moment you prove them wrong, they yell, call you names, then run away. Literally every one of them do this.
My own liberal aunt did that. She got out all she had to say (in a political "conversation") but when it was my turn, she puts her palm in front of my face and says firmly, "I don't want to talk politics". Typical liberal cowardice.
@@GMYellowstoneliberals love doing that when they lose. Trying to act like they didn’t initiate the debate in the first place.
She made a complete fool of herself.
Classic… she didn’t even know who she was talking to and it shows you how well they listen by walking away, true sign of immaturity. 😂
I hate how they always bring out their phones like they’re trying to look for the answer to their own debate online somewhere. It’s so cringe.
They can't even remember a 2 sentence question without having it written in their phone.
SO IMMATURE & STUPID how these types of people will just state their wrong claims & try to walk off like they did something.....LOL
Yep, she sure told him.
It’s the leftist way.
They read this poor "pre-prepared" garbage from their phone as if it is a gotcha; it's never good info and it never wins these little debates....
"oh, uhhhh... Uhhmmm"
*Scrolls furiously looking for next talking point*
Incorrectly sums up Michael’s answer, and then walks away… ran out of straw man, so it’s time to go 🙄🤡
a human isn't a resource because what if I say "my life is more valuable then yours so I need your resources". So where does that end up?
The CCP forcibly harvesting organs from Uyghur Muslims to sell on the Black Market to fill their dwindling coffers.
It ends up back in the Medieval Period where kings and noblemen used that exact same line of reasoning to do all sorts of atrocious things to the people they ruled over. Brought to you by the regressive left.
There *could* be objective reasons for that conclusion.
The Government says that all the time. The primary resource they extract from us is labor disguised as money.
You can tell how easily her mind gets distracted.
She invokes logic by using false equivocation. Brilliant.
You can however donate your child after it's born...
The womb is the only organ that is NOT for you, but is instead for the baby which you created.
Underrated point
Wth is she even trying to say? A baby is not an organ it has all its own organs
Michael is really sweeping the floor lately. You can tell he’s been studying a lot and studying the power of being calm.
He's been sweeping it clean for years now 😊
She cant take the fact that she was labeled leberal....
Lady, nobody is entitled to my organs and if I choose to not donate them, then so be it. They're not "resources" you can mandate I provide to save anyone else's life. Meanwhile, I'm still wondering how this relates to abortion? If a woman chooses to abort her baby, what she's done is robbed her baby of its entire life. People who don't want babies, shouldn't make them in the first place, and definitely should do more to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Failing the rights of bodily autonomy BEFORE pregnancy does not a right to abortion make. Just because you don't want that baby doesn't mean it's not a baby, doesn't mean it's not alive, doesn't mean it has no right to exist and live. Your argument is a false equivalency and bodily autonomy as it applies to organ donation is non-sequitur with bodily autonomy as it applies to pregnancy. The baby inside you, is not you. Yes you're responsible for it, yes you're the vessel of growth for it, but it is not you.
Seriously. Her views are basically communism taken to the extreme where you don't even have ownership over the very things you were born with.
People find Condoms too difficult to use. It might be from how complex they are. Which shows just how low IQs have gotten.
Adding layers of abstraction certainly makes it easy for one to reason their way to a desired outcome. I don't think the source of her position is rationality; I think her misdirected compassion is dictating that this is the correct position and she's shoehorning the logic after the fact. Her argument only works once she's abstracted away the difference between baby and organ by undifferentiating them into the "organ" category.
@@BenB5She doesn't understand she's comparing apples and bowling balls.
@@BenB5 Indeed. Thank you for adding that important point.
Here's a question that Democrats never answer:
How does a pregnant woman know when a clump of cells becomes a human being?
What a dumb comparison, it's not even a comparison. So stupid.
Michael, long-time listener, first time poster...awesome response. And, the way you disarm these folks is quite refreshing...you're able to keep the conversation light when it can be...but you have the smarts to get very serious too.
She was arrogant enough to think she could create an argument that would trap 'Smokie Mikey'. As usual the Lefty foot soldier fails, gets angry & runs away.
Anyone that took a Logic 101 class would pick up her entire argument hinges on a false equivocation. It's rather elementary to spot.
@@bigguy7353 Ohhh...I see; Mr. PhD in Elementary Spotting.
@@carmiethompson2676 No!!! I bet you believed the state media that COVID was created by a market selling bat meat just up the road from a COVID gain of function lab?
It's dumbfounding that these "smart" college students do not understand that an unborn child starts off as a very small human nurtured within the body of his or her mother. There are two beings here. A mother and her child.
If they want some back up about abortion they should ban child support law 😅
Abortion is murder. If you are old enough and intelligent enough to carry out an act that creates another human being then be old enough and intelligent enough to support that new human being in it’s young life.
what a TRANSPARENT admission that "pro-life" is merely hating women for having sex.
@SK-ou4gt
That’s a straw man (logical fallacy) if I ever saw one.
That entirely misrepresents the point. We think women are wonderful and strong enough to carry a unique human being until the time that child is to be born.
What we DO hate is people not taking responsibility for their actions. Not ready for a child? Then don’t do the very one singular thing that we all know creates a child, that being sex.
You’re not ready for it. It’s not ok to kill a developing child in the womb. We hate the murder of children.
Aaaannnd in a classic move, the child stomps out of the room in a hissy fit, 'cause she didn't win the argument.
She sounds sick, my God.. Lord have mercy.
even with her argument, it's not that you are withholding resources. Cutting the umbilical cord is actively removing resources from a baby.
Not true at all. You're pathetic. I have so many rebuttals to use against you. I'm just going to digress right at the beginning.
I bet she thought she was really smart, only to find out she is not so bright.
The moment she said "Bye," she turned off both her ears and her heart.
Using that logic we should withhold resources to those who do not work. That could be disastrous.
I feel sorry for my 24 year old cousin having to choose from this dating pool. Terrible.
Donating an organ is completely different than pregnancy. If you donate an organ, it's gone for good. A baby lives in the uterus for 9 months. You still have it after you give birth.
She neglected to compare a 'living' person forced to donate organs to save up to 8 other lives to a living person killing a living baby. He tried to point out that very important difference and she just wasn't listening. I hope she realizes that some day.
I am not an organ donor. I opted out when I learned the county corner was selling body parts from organ donors to universities for personal profit. That is NOT why I originally signed the donor card.
Organs are not resources....how is that even in question???
She just wanted to walk out..her whole reason for even engaging the whole debate was to just walk out like she's just above it all.
She knew she was losing. So she hadda run
Nicely done, Matt!
she read some article somewhere that sounded pretty good to her then tried the same argument without really understanding it
she thought it was a gotcha but because she hasn't spent any time debating someone with a different viewpoint all she had was a premise of an argument she didn't know how to defend when challenged
Bravo, Michael! She thinks she’s clever, but she’s sadly ignorant. May God have mercy on us all.
A fetus opens and closes its eyes, yawns and some suck their thumb in the womb. Because it’s life!
That’s so idiotic. The person making a choice to donate organs does so when they are alive.
I see a lonely life and a lot of cat's in that girls future.
... Or on a list of organs traffickers
MATT???
I felt that. It was sad. Abortion is murder end of the day.
She believes that not saving someone is the same as killing them. They are not the same thing.
"Somehow it's different"... yes not getting an organ donation is indeed different than murdering a child. You got it lady that is correct.
Her parents must be SOOOOOO proud of her. 🤪
That girl came in determined to be right from the very beginning and with no belief whatsoever that she could possibly have anything to learn. There was nothing she could do except walk out in a huff as soon as he beat the shit out of her in the argument. I absolutely cannot stand these people who are just determined to believe that they’re right, no matter what facts get thrown in their face.
Not the brightest bulbs, these kids.
She's got the crazy eye thing.
Should have asked her if we mandate organ donation would she be against abortion at that point?
Absolute coward running away after using a false equivocation fallacy, and not letting the guy talk.
At least they're not having kids. They'll virtue signal themselves out of existence.
When in doubt, storm out with righteous indignation 😢😢😂
Reading your question off a phone is a very telling sign that you're just repeating it.
They are so childish, needs phone to know what she is trying to say. Sad
She is completely missing/leaving out the wishes of the NEAR Deceased person's FAMILY. ORGANS are not taken from a dead body.
Poor girl, shes so lost.
They ALWAYS need their cell phones. 😂 lol
Google's "Context" title is "Abortion health information". Two words that do not belong next to each other in any sense: "abortion" and "health".
also, there is a difference, because the primary purpose of the woman's reproductive organs is to support the life of a separate growing human. the primary purpose of a person's kidney is to support that person's life, not another person's life. that medical technology can allow us to use the organs of one person to assist another person, while an admirable option, is not how our bodies were designed.
The woman DID A THING to make that baby. I didn't do anything to make my liver...rather my mother DID A THING. See how that works?
That’s not a great argument because rape. Sometimes you don’t have to do anything!
@pukupuku
That’s less than 1% of cases. It’s terrible, so once we can stop killing babies en masse to avoid accountability then I think we can address that horrible issue.
My heart goes out to those involved in it
If you want to neutralize these kids just take away their phones.
She really thought she had some sort of a loophole.
Less prosey explanation
One is murder. One is not murder. All their is too it.
mic drop
By who? You can't possibly think that lunatic woman had a point?
I love how much of a class act he remains even when she becomes disrespectful after losing the argument
I’m guessing she is not the captain of her debate team.
I love how pregnancy “just happens” to these women. They have no control over anything, with birth control or condoms, that formed another life in their body. 🙄
Sometimes it does and birth control is bad for you.
Why do you forced-birthers think that birth control is 100% effective? Your positions are founded on ignorance.
"You're not worth listening to, Matt."
Right through the heart with that one.
Why not be responsible?
She was proposing something similar to the violinist argument - a woman is kidnapped, hooked up to a dialysis machine, and is forced to use her body to support a violinist who needs dialysis for 9 months in order to live.
The argument is stupid because of this reason: the woman didn’t commit an action that would’ve led to that result, and it analogizes the woman’s action of disconnecting from the machine - which would mean the violinist dies - to an abortion. The disconnect is not what would kill the violinist. The violinist would succumb to complications that would eventually kill him.
Abortion is completely different because for one: unless we’re talking about rape or forcible incest, the woman willfully committed an act that led to the procreation of a child. Second: the act of the abortion has a causal effect on the murder of the child, unlike disconnecting from a dialysis machine which wouldn’t directly kill the violinist.
The violinist argument is weak and pathetic, as is any other argument that pro-aborts use to justify the murder of children
Siamese twins also debunk the self autonomy arguments and my body my choice nonsense pro choicers use, when there is another body namely a body involved. the root of all evil is selfishness.
I feel like Michael didn’t understand the point she was making on this one. She was trying to compare a person needing someone else’s body to survive (an organ donor situation) with a baby needing someone else’s body to survive (the baby needing the mother’s body). If we are allowed to cut off strangers from using our bodies for survival (organ transplants) then why can’t we stop a baby from using our bodies for survival (a baby feeding on the mothers body).
The correct rebuttal would have been to say that the woman who is pregnant volunteered to supply the baby with her body’s resources when she had sex. It wasn’t against her will unless she was SA’d.
How do you propose a person would go about using the organs of a different person?
ask her if she would kill her kidneys, or her liver, or her heart.
Her brain is already dead
Her- (discovers “Violinist argument) A-HA!
(Marches off to Michael Knowles’ speech)
They literally refuse to believe reason
"Logic has nothing to do with what Im talking about " EXACTLY 😂😂😂
Ask any pregnant woman who lost their baby during pregnancy. They lost a baby not a bunch of cells.
My toddler does the same thing when she doesn't get her way, yells and runs away
Damn, Michael dismantled her arguments so easily that she almost defaulted to factory settings
She had to run and hide it was far too difficult to understand, poor child.
Did she say logic was not nessary in This debate 😮
1:54 "if you don't believe you are withholding resources like lifesaving organs". My organs are not a resources that I am "withholding" they are not a resource just sitting there for someone else.
The difference is death from natural cause, organ failure, or murder.