Hasan Piker Debates Michael Knowles for the First Time on "The Issue Is: with Elex Michaelson"
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- They're almost the exact same age, both are web savvy, both live near each other physically, but live on different planets ideologically.
On the left, Hasan Piker, a progressive, formerly ofThe Young Turks, who now broadcasts via Twitch.
On the right, Michael Knowles, the conservative who hosts The Michael Knowles Show on The Daily Wire and who co-hosts The Verdict podcast with Senator Ted Cruz.
This is the first time they've ever debated each other. Here's the unedited feed from "The Issue Is: with Elex Michaelson"
We begin by talking about the role of government itself in response to the coronavirus.
“I think that the government has fallen short in nearly every capacity, of course we need to be doing more, I don’t even understand what we could potentially do less than what we’ve done thus far,” Piker said, stressing the need for a moratorium on rents and mortgages, as well the beefing up of unemployment benefits.
Knowles agreed that the government had responded abysmally, but for a different reason.
“It’s true, people can’t pay their rent, they can’t pay their rent because they’ve been mandated not to go into work,” Knowles said. “The only way we can possibly get out of this, is to reopen the country, but unfortunately it has become a political issue, frankly I think it’s been a political issue since the beginning.”
Piker responded that he agrees the country should be reopened, but that there are a lot of issues making that increasingly unsafe, namely people who won’t wear masks or social distance, instead, turning those recommendations into the rallying cry of a social war.
On that point, Michaelson pressed Knowles, who has called wearing masks a political issue.
Michaelson, pointing to a May 2020 analysis from the CDC, said masks do not have a significant impact on transmission, and that the science does not support the current political argument being made in their favor.
“What I’m failing to recognized here, is that Anthony Fauci has corrected himself and said that the reason why he had originally said that masks are a social placebo for the most part is because they were worried about the lack of PPE in this country,” Piker responded, citing the fragile supply of US protective equipment and an over-reliance on Chinese manufacturing.
“You make a very apt point here… you’re saying the reason that Fauci and other people said what they said about the masks was basically they were lying to preserve the masks for the health care workers,” Knowles shot back. “The issue is the credibility, if he lied to us then, how can we possibly trust him now?”
From the role of government in regards to the coronavirus, the conversation then shifted to the role of the government in dealing with the ongoing protests.
This, as President Trump has sent federal agents into Portland, which has experienced nearly two full months of nightly protests and rioting. As crime rates rise in other major cities across the US, the President has indicated he may consider sending more law enforcement into Chicago, Detroit, and Oakland, among others.
“To put down an insurrection, absolutely, we do need to get federal officials here,” Knowles said.
“I think this is horrific,” Piker responded. “The idea that we have unmarked paramilitary troops at the federal level, violating the Constitution, and also violating our rule of law that is supposed to protect citizens, especially in a circumstance where they are exercising their First Amendment rights, is disgusting, but also expected from the Trump Administration.”
The conversation wrapped up with some speculation, specifically regarding who Joe Biden will pick in the coming weeks to serve as his running mate.
“I don’t care… it really doesn’t matter” Piker said. “Most of these officials are going to do exactly what is best for whichever industry is backing them.”
Knowles had another suggestion for Biden: Hasan Piker.
“Age requirements not withstanding, Hasan would be a great pick,” Knowles responded. “You, Hasan, are speaking much more to young, left-wing voters than the Democratic party is, I think it would be much more honest than the Democrats who are trying to hide what they believe.”
The Issue Is: with Elex Michaelson is California's only statewide political show. For showtimes and more information, go to TheIssueIsShow.com.
Knowles is just Ben Shapiro at 0.5x speed
Hahahaha
lol, he is slightly less annoying than shapiro but that's not really a compliment.
Patriot Spring knowles is only well informed on micro stats and studies that support his arguments
@@fufuman27 Why lie yo yourself and your ilk? Kind of silly to do, when you talk about people with elite education who were among the best in their classes, nuh? And you talk about a guy who ran a campaign for a senatecandidate or congresscandidate as a 17 year old or what it was, and almost got him elected. He knows politics. Just say you disagree with him. Don't pretend like he is not welinformed and has a sharp mind. He has been very successful at all he has done. And very blunt and efficient, which the left has recognized, so they have targeted his speaking gigs, attacked him, and they have gotten him cenceled as opinionator on MSM. And he was number 1 in political channels on this site, when he hosted the verdict with Ted Cruz. As you should know, that is a show about the inner workings in congress, and about fascism in some hearings regarding the left and their institutions they control, that controls the entire worlds narrative
@@janusgahrstre1998 I like the part where you didn't give any evidence that he isn't a hack and just proceeded to say he's an effective political pundit (because people that do well in politics never lie) and talk shit about the left.
centrist host: hasan do you have anything nice to say about micheal, for bi-partisanship?
hasan: no
R
Once, a Leftist called and said "We don't want to unite with you, we want to destroy every single one of you".
@@anonymouspokemon4623 where I grew up there were no leftists, we were forced to write with our right hand.
@@anonymouspokemon4623 Michael Knowles did a panel with Kyle Kulinski and said basically the same thing that you are making up in this comment.
@@hollywoodjhawk7682 No proof = Never happened. Rule of thumb of internet.
Hasan is the furthest from a libertarian lmao.
@Mike Goodwalk The famous comedian Dave Smith put it best: He's just an authoritarian Democrat posing as a radical. Can't really knock Hasan's hustle, though. He's making big bank by catering to online tankie circles
@Mike Goodwalk **ignores point of how it’s unreasonable to call someone who wants workplace democracy an authoritarian**
@@snow6094 correction: *STATE ENFORCED workplace democracy.* You are free to form unions/coops/ whatever agreement u want when the market is free.
@@tann_man how has that been working for Amazon, Walmart and Tesla workers?
@@snow6094 pretty good. You have the freedom to not work for a company you think is shit. If they were truly that bad, so many people wouldn’t be competing to work there. The reality is those companies offer competitive benefits, and a secure fixed wage to their employees that other companies simply cannot provide.
October 2021 here, Hassan's arguments haven't aged well.
His arguments NEVER age well.
His arguments failed decades ago when the Soviet Union failed.
Yet he goes from 50k+ a year at TYT, now he’s big on twitch and now he’s on H3H3 too. I don’t understand the appeal of him at all.
same
they really didn't
Nope and they will continue to never age well
Quote of the day: “You Hassan are speaking more clearly to young progressives than established democrats” round of applause for you Michael
No, impossible. Must smear him! Quick, what fucked up shit did he say 7 years ago after a few too many?
- Strategists
Hmm, he has a point
Hasan countered pretty well by identifying basic principles of decency and social responsibility as "radical". Instinctively I would say Michael's strategy was to mainly protect his chin while Hasan tried to pursue by cutting off the ring.
He said that public and private schools should be run the same if the public schools are a failure.
Um. He just red pilled himself.
You must've missed that part @16:00
@Thomas Larkin He's already been smeared for that one. That was poor wording which he apologized for. It was in the context of history and geopolitics
Political views aside, these guys didn't yell over each other. It was actual a normal debate, they both did great. Felt like I learned something
fr it was nice and respectful
well both did as nice as they could, regarding the position they are representing. just one of them got the science and facts on his side. but still its a wellcome change from the "presidential" rhethoric.
That’s why we love hasan
@@aaronduerst Who's the one with "science" and "facts" ?
I can practically guarantee you Hasan IMMEDIATELY went to Twitch to bitch to his sycophantic followers about how dumb he thinks Michael is. Because Hasan is a child.
You should put these two guys on again to review their statements from this show.
Yes
why Hasan would have to admit hes a moron but hes done nothing but double, triple, and quadrupled down. hes a shill and will never admit being one
@@emdubb1381 ahhh, and the guy who said “cointelpro was fine” but makes his entire show about cancel culture is “credible” tho, right?
@@emdubb1381 ??? Yes he’s a “shill” for having the EXACT SAME VIEWS all his life, despite when he made much much more money and could easily become a right wing grifter and make millions upon millions more
@@kingofgrim4761 What are you talking about? He's entitled and has those views because of his family (his uncle being Cenk). He realized young that there is money in being a shill for the left, just as there is money being a shill for the right. Hassan is a champagne socialist who lives very wealthily off capitalism but promotes socialist ideas. These kinds of people don't have any integrity.
What Michael said did really age well a year and half later... Jeeze
Of course it did. The Left only uses their form of "science" to bludgeon people over the head with. The Right uses Science to make decisions for themselves.
Loool in what way
@Old Chunk of Coal ???? You’re the ones with the burden of proof. His mask shit has been proven wrong. Hasan still has the empirical evidence showing even more that masks help, as well as most of what knowles said being debunked real time but Hasan of all people
@@kingofgrim4761 Masks do work, but toilet paper works better.
@@kingofgrim4761 surgical masks literally do nothing
Middle Guys First words:“....Gemndtremen, welcome!.....”
Me: “...wWhat?”
So glad someone said it, so satisfying when you discover a comment saying what your about to post👍
Middle guy: gerdermen, welcome
Me: oook that's enough **closes browser**
@@tobymcgroby8967 believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. For God so loved the world that he sent his one and only son and whoever believes in him shall not die but have eternal life. If you trust that Jesus' death on the cross has payed the penalty for your sin you will have eternal life. There is nothing anyone can do to earn heaven, only Jesus can save a person from eternity in hell. You may be persecuted for putting your trust in Jesus but take heart, for anything you lose for Christ on earth God will compensate you in heaven. Obey Christ if you choose Jesus because that is expected of every Christian.
@@aomorgancool1775 No
Gender-men
I love how Hasan is holding himself back and largely saying only things that a liberal would say, and the host, probably unaware, is kind of taking his side thinking they are on the same team.
Is he an undercover commie?
@@lakersfansince1991 sort of. He's broadly leftist. He does speak favourably about Socialism and Communism.
@@senthan09 sounds eDgY
i think he’s in favor of socialism & communism but supports democratic socialism and backed bernie when he was running bc he recognizes that revolution is nowhere near and that it is more realistic to socialize america
@@cryptocine1011 exactly. Took the words out of my mouth
Hassan the type of dude to wear a mask in his car by himself
Science!
Mikey the type of guy to froth at the mouth if he sees a LGBT person
@@martianproductions997Idk where this sentiment that he hates gay people came from.
@@kristianrodriguez4676he wants to eradicate transgerism
@@kristianrodriguez4676 They lack critical thinking skills, so they default to "HATE!"
I love that Michael actually commended Hasan at the end. That was genuine.
“michael has a great studio” 💀💀
you could see the rage in his eyes xd
owned
Yeah that Koch money really pays off
@@legendofshaunesquire3014 You have to start informing yourself before you parrot that falsehood by default about everybody. Since you can only parrot, I will do the legwork for you kiddo. The daily wire is co-owned by Shapiro and the wilks brothers, not David Koch. The wilks are not evil industrialists who wants illegal immigration to keep down wages. They are fracking billionaires who has sold themselves out, and are now philantropes who spreads the word of God, and donate money to churches. Their agenda is God and morality, judeochristian values.
Janus gahr støre if you love god shouldn’t you also love the home he gave us. Why support people who push a love of Christ to cover up for the evil things they do
Is this a moderator or is Knowles debating two people???
Its okay, he handled them both easily.
It's OK at this point he's used to it.
It seems like every time knowles is having to debate the moderator as well
@@StAlchemystTrue statement Stan, just thought if in the title this was a debate it would state 'Hasan and moderator to debate Michael Knowles'...there would be a lot more hits on this...especially to see Knowles handle both with ease.
The dude's face when Michael said he doesn't wear a mask. 🤣. What a puss.
Oh man not a single top of the hour segue RIP
The crucial point is at 1:45 where both sides are dissatisfied with their gov...yet the gov just keeps the right and left at each other's throat
I really liked the conversation. No over acting form either side, no one personally berates the other, nor makes a mock of themselves. This is how i want every political debate to be.
Doesn’t sell as many tickets unfortunately. Bummer but I’m with ya
fr man, like i enjoy when both sides can respect each other and im not subconciously listening to one side based on who is being more respectful. now i can actually just listen to what they say and think for myself
conversation was great, but my goodness if michael knowles isn't convincing. facts, figures and reasonable arguments that are on topic. i have begun to notice and even on young turnks that we democrats voice our arguments in an emotional way and tend to get lost when debating ppl like knowles. i dunno... i'm beginning to cross to the right.
@@ricklazio7923 It's ok to agree on some things my friend. 👍
@@L4rceny right?! Its almost like that's how our dule-party system should work. Diverse in our opinions but able to reach bipartisanship in our decision making. People treat politics now like its the super bowl...unconditional support for their team and unconditional hatred for their opposition...Sucks big cocka
14:30 "they're not gonna wanna do debates to hide bidens fragility" lmao this aged well
@@yooowefsifjosidfjasda7293 well this aged well. Trump won the last debate that was irl so either way, wether it was online or offline he would’ve still won that debate imo. As for the election however, it’s all still a toss up tbh.
@@neuro1073 How's that dose of copium?
@@neuro1073 I disagree on him winning either debate, I think the debates were abhorrent for both of them. It's really up to the American people now on if we want to shoot ourself in the left or the right foot. Either way we're up for a rough four years
@@thebookofeli1105 fair enough. That’s your perspective and it makes sense. Perfectly fine with that.
@@thebookofeli1105 As Noam Chomsky put it you have a choice between a not so great run of the mill politician or someone who with another 4 years could push the planet over the tipping point to extinction. I know who I'd be voting for if I lived in america
The whole masks are effective thing aged well lmfao.
didnt it. lmfao
My doctor used masks before the pndemic and still uses them now. I guess they must do something right? Think they do it to look cool?
@@martianproductions997 Actually the masks are used to prevent the spread of blood and saliva based pathogens entirely, a maskj is going to do literally eff all for covid virus except kill your braincells via long term oxygen deprival and carbon monoxide poisooning, Never mind the fact that you are entirely retraining your bodies breathing function to an abnormal situation which has been found to aid the forming ofg sleep apnea as well as snoring.
Hasan’s apartment SCREAMS overpriced 1 bedroom LA apartment without a washer and dryer for $2899.00 a month
Don't worry, he has a $3 million house now courtesy of his Twitch viewers' mom's credit cards.
@@vectar niiiice 🤭🤙🏽
@@vectar What a true socialist. Don't forget that he also got a job at TYT by his own merit
of being the owner's nephew.
@@traiforse5777 ah yes, socialism is when no money
@@kingofgrim4761 No, but it's the hypocrisy of these people. They don't want a free and just system as they claim. They want a system where they are in power, even if they didn't earn those spots.
“Gentermen”
I thought I was the only one 😃😂
Men? I prefer gentlethey
Moderator forgot that he was supposed to moderate and not debate
Isn't he supposed to rein someone in when they are lying? Debating doesn't mean you get a free pass to lie or be stupid.
bujambura burundi
Knowles wasn’t even lying what were you on about?
bujambura burundi found the Hassan fan, name a lie
Duval In The Wall he was using three month old data lol I love Knowles and watch him often but that isn’t the source I would bring to a debate
@@Duval-In-The-Wall *People in the US seem to think it's the only country under lockdown.*
No, it's not. It's happened everywhere around the world. Trump is not running in India or UK.
If everyone wore a mask US could have controlled the spread loooong ago.
But no, some politicians need to somehow keep their voters fired up constantly even if it means they don't wear a mask in a pandemic and jeopardize their health.
Trump needs to man up, quit whining, take initiative, wear a mask and set an example. People will still vote for him in droves.
No need to be crybaby. Believe in your voters and save their lives.
Watching that a few years later, seems like Michael Knowles was right.
Did we watch the same video how delusional are you??
I disagree
nope
True MK has truth on his side so kinda wins by default
@@InnocentAlaska Michael Knowles is a conservative so he would be on the opposite side of truth since his ideology is contradictory to reality
I enjoy these exchanges you bring together. They are not chauvinistic and can be seen as productive. I especially appreciate you not adding input as to take a particular side on the issues, instead remaining neutral as you should.
I just realized Hasan has a basketball with googly eyes in the background 😂
Its his gf.
It's his fleshlight
I got this comment to 69 likes, my job here is done...
@@coolglue9663 I’m sorry for your loss
@@babufrik9289 I tried 😂
I can just straight up see the frustration in hassan building as he struggles not to start getting blunt af lmao
@Bout It why are you lying
@Bout It Taken incredibly out of context lmao
@@santiagogalaviz6850 💀bro I didn't even add a political input, I was just saying that it was taken out of context. It's not like I'm unaware of the constant out of context statements occurring everywhere, I just happened to say that for Hasans statement it was taken out of context. And I'm not a liberal lol I literally used to lean more republican before I realized US politics consist more of bashing each other rather than finding a middle ground which is something I personally prefer more, which is now why I sort of fluctuate between ideas rather than a party.
@Bout It Didn't know commenting on a youtube video is imperialism
@Bout It How am i trying to change any existing culture?
The hosts face when Knowles says CDC hadn't updated yet lmaoooo
What a respectable debate
Elex this is superb content. PLEASE DO THIS MORE!!! The people only benefit from conversations like this!
The host looked so insanely proud every time Hassan spoke 😂
Not really
What
He’s liberal
His bus was extremely clear, which makes sense considering no rational person would rely upon Hasan Piker as a debater. These people are complete jokes.
@@AirmanRugby6 Yea I have fucking no clue what all these comments about how well hasan did here are all about. Knowles fucking owned him at every turn.
Aged like fine wine
Weird how these young men on RUclips conduct themselves more professionally than the "experts" on legacy media.
i hope you don't see Hasan as professional. he's backhanded as hell, exploiting the civility. he's the result of nepotism.
"Crenshaw lost his eye when a 'brave' Mujahideen soldier 'f***ed his eyehole with their d**k" - Hasan Piker
Wow what a professional.
@@Tantrum777 triggered
@@jamierobertson8618 It is an exact quote, that is not me being triggered. When you quote some one that is saying what they say.
@@Tantrum777 Do you think he should be canceled?
Is Knowles going to make a pie after all that cherry picking?
Good one
Dude I love cherry pies
Gottem
Gotteeeeeeeem
I couldn't have said it better. Knowles is extremely disingenuous. He will only change his tone if he got a bad case of the virus himself.
*Hasan Piker and Elex Michaelson Debates Michael Knowles...
Host reins in stupid "debater" when he tries to politicize a simple precaution like a mask!
2v1 it’s only fair
I’m conservative and I mean CONSERVATIVE lol but he actually did a pretty good job
Right wingers are such snowflakes! You're just angry because "your guy" lost and is weak and idiotic.
ha..
Please revisit this debate
Moderator botched it right out the gate with “gentermen.” 😂
Why does the mediator let Hassan have the last word for EVERY TOPIC?
b lmao
ya its annoying when this happens because when they have the last word they feel as if they just won
Because he’s not telling lies like the other one
@@gabrielledesmeules9802 LOL
Lmao cry more, Lib.
Piker is paid via his own work, the other guy is paid to say what he’s told to say.
Yup. Knowles is a hack.
Oh and Knowles knew early car salesman was a waste of his talent.
Knowles is a pathetic Daily Wire third-stringer.
@Andrea Mendenhall "muh constitution" tf does that even mean in this context?
From the videos I watched Hasan just talks out his ass. Sounds like a high school kid. Didn’t his uncle get smacked around by Ben which gave him a way off the bench? Haha
Oh man micheals laughing a year later
wym?
Solid conversation.
Elex, you were very, apparently, biased. Bad form.
Your guy could just not lie every single argument he makes and the moderater would not need to correct him.
You guys LITERALLY blame reality for not conforming to your demented world view.
@@polishpipebomb What lie?
kevin trying to politicize the cdc comments with an old statement which the cdc themselves redacted after more data came out and then he tried to challenge the data.
You guys say facts over feelings but when the facts are not in your favor it’s liberal PC propaganda
R R Knowles was making an argument that the “experts” change their minds all the time and they don’t even follow their own advice. Fauci says one thing but does the other when he thinks he’s not on camera. Fauci doesn’t seem to think masks do much of anything and neither does Biden when he wears the mask dangling from his ear, not protecting anyone. As for “facts don’t care about your feelings,” I’m pretty sure that saying came as a response to “you guys” when you feel like the opposite gender that contradicts your chromosomes.
user name except they’re not? Sweden never mandated masks nor shut down. Not even Fauci is buying the scam. He doesn’t use face masks in his personal life outside the cameras.
The moment that Hasan calls out Michaels months old cdc reference, as Michael holds it up like it’s justifying his point bahaha 😂💀
that one took me out 💀💀 he was so proud
deadass lmao
"it's a paper that just came out" LMAOO
Can anyone even find the document Knowles is holding up? Everything on the CDC website advises to wear a mask.
Found it. It's from a paper on influenza, not coronavirus. Notice that Knowles stammers at the end and says, "transmission of...viruses." The actual text reads, "transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza."
I'm not a scientist or an epidemiologist, but I have to wonder why Knowles improvised that part of the text.
wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
Imagine hassan saying "On top of the hour every hour there is a 60sec adbreak......." 🤣
Man 2022 and the views of this are interesting. You would think this long later you could look and say exactly what was right but it’s still just confusing what was truly effective and what wasn’t and what we should have done
Elex: Gennermen, welcome.
Me: This is gonna be trash...
Well job.
I thought I misheard it, I had the same feeling
Omg thank you, this. You made me laugh so hard. I closed the video as soon as I heard that. But then came back just to read comments lololol
I had to replay it a few times when I heard it to make sure It wasn't just me.
Mom can't even spell Alex.
Y'all righties acting like knowles won, and then complaining that he wasn't aloud to speak like ???? Which one is it fellas
Both, despite the silencing and biased moderator, he won
@Mahdi Jaffer you're right. He did goof.
McLovin, when is your next movie coming out?
The overly policing SJW left and Far right are one in the same.
@@travisanderson9094 Funny I disagree
this debate was incredible wtf
Wow, this aged poorly for The Piker.
Imagine that!
The right is winning 🔥
This moderator is awfully aggressive towards one side to be a moderator.....
No our moderator is trying to steer the conversation out of idiocracy since one side is just a spouting pure bull shit
@@dattboii6541 lmao what cringe comment. He debates with Knowles rather the ask questions. What terrible "moderator", definitely steering clear of this cancer.
@@Drunkgamer904 literally the other guy cited an outdated Cdc article and hasan gave him a study that showed mask stop the spread of the virus by 70% thank Knowles ignores that study and said faucci didnt wear a mask at 1 point if you dont think that's idiocracy than your an idiot
I mean, sure. Maybe the moderator should not have asked such pointed questions or argued, but Michael was being ridiculous. This isn't even a partisan issue. I am willing to be charitable and say that Michael got anxious and caved into making really weak points because he panicked from the pressure. I am not, however, going to pretend that his arguments were good.
@@jordansunix-basedmachine5222 If you actually listen to him break down his arguments on his show you might have a deeper understanding.
“He has a nice studio”😂😂😂😂😂
i cringed when he asked hasan to give him a compliment knowing how much hasan hates those bullshit displays of unity lmao
@@michaelbergamo2332 It's so fucking funny it's like he wants to say fuck outta here with that shit
I love how the only person getting emotional was the host
It’s interesting to watch these conversations a year later.
From my home in Melbourne, Australia, we remain in lockdown after 8 intermittent months of it out of just one year. I promise you, we cannot wear our masks or stay away from our loved ones or attend less social gatherings with a higher level of commitment than we already are.
On top of that, we have 70% of people 16 and above “fully vaccinated” and case numbers are at record highs.
At some point, we need to acknowledge that our medical overlords are not credible, not trustworthy, not competent, or a combination of the three.
You forgot the creepiest part. The requirement to write out where you are going and for how long when going for food etc.
@@vagabondwastrel2361 Well, I don't know anything about that. The cops appear to be stopping people and demanding answers to those questions, but I've never documented my movements in that way.
@@monsieurmitosis My buddy over there has to literally write out his predicted path and reason for leaving his home.
@@vagabondwastrel2361 For what reason? The government is making some ridiculous demands, there's no question about that, but even in Melbourne, the epicentre of this bullshit, I've never heard of anything like that. Does he have to travel back and forth from regional and metropolitan areas or something?
I just read an article on your town, looks like a third of the cases were caused by parties for the Football Grand Final. I have no idea how popular that is because I’m American but don’t you think that could be the cause for the spike? And then once they have it and return to their lockdown they spread it with who they live with?
Love seeing these type of debates!
Breakdown: Hasan talks for 5 minutes and the mediator asks Knowles to respond to 1 of 10 points Hasan made for 2 minutes.
And the comments are fetishizing the guy who dresses better.
And Ben Shapiro would have covered the same ground but in 23 seconds.
Imagine thinking Hasan made any points here
@Jesse Pinkman No there isnt you dummy.
Jesse pinkman would be proud of this soyboy lmao
Ur mad
Haasan puts to much credence on government policy when there are multiple conflicting studies that have been silenced because they don't fit a political agenda.
true
Name two ‘conflicting studies’ from universities during 2020 regarding healthcare.
@@Bmanritchie Mask efficacy, ivermectin, natural immunity.
@@Thaijler - Let me rephrase:
TWO DIFF UNIVERSITIES that have CONFLICTING results using the SAME METHODOLOGY about ONE ASPECT of healthcare.
Put up or shut up.
@@Bmanritchie Ok let me rephrase what I said. There are studies that go against the left wing media narrative.
Did you consider the fact that 2 "approved" drug companies had varying results with vaccine efficacy?
Your agrument has an innate bias built in to it. Thats like saying name 2 studies from the 60s conducted by tobacco companies that prove cigarettes are bad.
That cdc article got my profile suspended from twitter lmao
This Host/Moderator is extremely biased.
*based
Reality has a left wing bias
@@seanhubbard6033 It depends on how you define left-wing. Center-left, then sure. But if you go too far left, they start sounding like a religion where narratives matter more than facts. We see this with some of the BLM people and Marxist ideology. And financially, the left has always tended to drift into unreality, where the systems they propose don't usually work.
The truth is that ideology is the start of losing grip on reality. The further you follow ideology rather than facts/evidence/results, the further you drift into unreality. This can happen on either side, and at times in history, one side tends to be more out of touch than another. We see that in many cases, the left, in general, is now drifting too far into ideology.
Imagine having to debate your opponent and the mediator.....
Just to make it an equal match! 😉
zingiestmeerkat I mean it’s fine to support knowles, everyone has their own opinions, but he sounded like an idiot in this debate and idk how you can deny that.
Imagine not saying dumb shit and therefore not needing the moderator to moderate
Joe S in what way?
Joe S did you watch the same interview I did? Because what I saw was the moderator allowing Hasan to speak for minutes on end about several different points and only allowing Michael to respond to one point very briefly. The moderator was clearly biased. Also how in any way did Knowles come off as an idiot? The guy made very clear arguments.
Wouldn’t it be great for our politicians to sit down and have a conversation without thinking of the next “OWNED the other side” moment for social media? Imagine a civil conversation between Gaetz and AOC? I can’t imagine half of congress able to speak without shouting at each other.
Oh … my … word. Did I just listen to an 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭 conversation between two opposing sides? THIS. THIS GIVES ME HOPE FOR OUR COUNTRY💙🤍❤️
I've watched Knowles enough to know when he's holding back smiles and laughter. He's stifling this every time Hasan opens his mouth.
Must mean he’s an idiot then
*I really don't understand why masks are an issue!* 😄 US could have controlled the spread loooong ago, if everybody just wore a mask in public!
It's such a no-brainer!
Many people wear masks when they have flu to stop the spread. Just do it for a few more weeks. You'll have a vaccine ready by then and you will save many lives!
Where's the argument? 🤔
@@bobinpune If the political elite practiced what they preached, then more people would feel inclined to wear masks. The number of people that had to limit their loved one's funeral to 10 people, only to watch Obama give a "eulogy" to a large crowd, is probably something to do with it.
@Broadstreet Flyers95 whoa. Almost as original as the previous comment. Blow a couple fuzes coming up with that one?
@@bobinpune the the argument is that masks have been shown over and over to NOT WORK. Several diff brands for ear loop masks say on the boxes in a warning label that these do not prevent the spread of flu or other viruses, even one box I've seen says covid 19. Masks are to be changed and washed frequently. At ths point they are only a vector for cross contamination. They do not work. And can cause health problems and even death. That is the argument
The point of a moderator is to be moderate...
Totally this Moderator is a hack.
and point out blatant lies to keep the discussion honest.
@@phxsisko Why don't people understand this?
@@geraldpuse7823 example?
@@krschu00 clearest example was calling for a drinking game when Michael noted Shay's Rebellion. The less obvious examples were consistently giving Hasan the "last word" on the topics. At one point he tried to call out Michael on a point Michael was making, but never attempted to call out Hasan on blatantly false information.
October 18th, 2021 here.
Uhh, yeah... all of Hasan’s points are crap and Trump was right all along. 🤷🏼♂️
They’ll still blame people for not wearing enough masks. And now it’s not enough people have the vaccine. The deaths are up and we have the highest so far amount of vaccinated people. It makes no sense
@@christopherkey2272 facts
really, i'm still waiting on covid to go away in april with the heat. i guess we should have asked trump for clarification as to the year
@@christopherkey2272 yeah it’s the fault of the unvaxxed. Even though you look at Africa and Utar Pradesh, very low vax rates, very high HCQ consumption. Everywhere that has high vax rates has high case rates for the most part, like Israel. Why is that?
@@cappylover192 We know now that the vax lowers the efficacy of the natural immune system for, at least, 2 weeks. That's one reason why so many people still got COVID. The vax efficacy is probably more like 25 to 35%, not 95% like they claimed.
These days if anyone has a bad idea but has the guts to stand up for it, they’re given a podium. There is truth and then lies. America is always rooting for the underdog even if their ideas are horrible.
Victimhood Culture
People killing people at a funeral is an issue about over policing?
Lol. Id call it pure hatered. How are the police to blame for someone else's poor choices
exactly. the fact that he implied Chicago is over-policed is laughable .
It was white supremacists killing blacks people at the funeral. But white supremacists are “good people” according to trump and MANY police are white supremacists so they won’t be held accountable
@@indominusdragonlee1805 white supremacists killing black people at a funeral? What? It was 3 africa-americans (one of them identified as Nuemonei Travon Laster) ... wtf stop doing drugs .. if this is trolling then it's not funny
@@indominusdragonlee1805 There is a quick way to fact check this statement you made. Check your fake news media outlets like CNN or MSNBC. If it had been white supremacists, they would have been covering this story 24 x 7. Checking.... no sorry, they covered it once, found out it was gang related, and moved on to cover more important issues like how often Donald Trump wears his mask.
It’s not the government’s job to protect my health. It’s the government’s job to protect my rights. It’s my job to protect my health. When you trade liberty for safety you end up losing both.“
yes but if you don't protect your health good enough (wear a mask and socially distance), then the health of every single person you come in contact with is at risk. The cycle continues
Your paying twice as much for healthcare then you should be
Agreed.
I guess this is what privilege sounds like.
Actually according to the UN's universal declaration of human rights it should be your governments job to give you accessable healthcare. You guys just don't wanna listen to human rights thats all.
Michael's points aged really well. Can't say the same about Hasan.
Can you explain please?
@@NewbiPai a lot of what he said particularly about lockdowns and masks have proven true multiple times over since the debate. Also, he pointed out how radical the democrat party was but were hiding it (supporting child drag shows and tween transition, congresspeople refusing to define a woman, proposed bans on 12 round pistol magazines and suggested 9mm ammunition ban etc.)
@@jeremiah5430 go drink your coors light lmao
@@jeremiah5430 Congrats. You have fallen hook, line and sinker for the most meaningless and utterly irrelevant topics of the day. Not one of the things you’ve listed are worth talking nor listening about. Poverty, homelessness, unemployment, stagnating wages, debt, failing infrastructure, lack of funding in public education, gun violence; you could’ve picked any one of the hundred different important topics, yet you chose the most asinine and meaningless political hill to die on.
@@jeremiah5430 first of all child friendly drag shows are not morally wrong second of all the majority of democrats do not agree with those under the medical age of consent transitioning third of all a woman is a socially constructed set of arbitrarily decided roles expectations behaviors and appearances and lastly I disagree with the ban
well... this didn't age well for Piker. looking back.... Knowles was right on every point.
he was at that moment and has been until now. we got screwed up the moment the virus has become a political issue rather than a health one
He is a typical idiot who beleives that has thinking abilities, so normal. I bet he will never admit he was wrong even to himself.
@@hophmanbg He won't. All he does is vent to his echo chamber on Twitch, so he thinks all of his points are right because his fanboys eat it up.
Yeah unfortunately Hasan listens to Twitch chat and no offense I love twitch but the majority of people who watch are either 12 or dumb as hell
@@corvonics6383 this kind of people don't realize that truth mattets otherwise we will destroy everything which has value, anyway there is not much left
I am just going to point out that the study that Michael noted was for influenza and had no mention of Covid in the report at all.
Would it make a difference? If covid is easier to spread would that not make masks less effective then they are with the flu.
@@7EiamJ7 Well first of all siting an Influenza report while there is loads of reports specifically about Covid which say masks do work is kinda weird already but let's say we just treat it as another Covid report. Covid and the Flu are not the same. Covid is more contagious and spreads from a different virus which are two variables not used in that report because it is only about Influenza. That could effect things. And if Covid is easier to spread it would not make masks less effective if the basis for Influenza is to not wear them in the first place. It's probably redundant to wear a mask with the flu but because of Covid being different it makes sense.
@@noname-mw7oy unless the droplets for covid and flu are different does it matter what the report is on?
Covid has become very politicised so arguably a pre pandemic report on mask effectiveness may carry more weight.
@@7EiamJ7 I'm not sure on the specific differences of the droplets but there is obviously some differences because there is a pretty sound conclusion that masks do help to prevent the transmission of Covid and this one study about the Flu saying otherwise doesn't change that when the mast majority say masks are useful for Covid.
@@noname-mw7oy have you got a link to the study?
I remember reading one that was talking about rats in glass containers, so you have four containers, 2 with infected rats, each opposite healthy rats, one had holes in the divider and the other had a clean N95 mask with no gaps, the conclusion being that the masked rat was fine where as the other was not and they concluded masks work. Now I know this is not humans and covid but the problem is that not everyone has a fitted sealed and fresh mask on. To my knowledge that is the issue with telling people masks work, they come to believe it will work regardless of what the mask is made of, how clean it is and how well fitted it is, plus the false sense of security can lead to a more lax attitude for other simple measures like washing hands and staying a distance from others. I can tell you from experience that not wearing mask keeps people away haha.
These comments are awfully ironic now considering the president and cabinet members/First Lady are infected
i know, i'm reading them right now
@Aru Gula i think you missed the point
@Aru Gula something about the internet and stupid seems to be a theme for some ppl. you can make all the snark remarks you want, you still missed the point
@Aru Gula do you know the expression 'right over the head'
@Aru Gula so now, you're resorting to insults. while you waste your breathe not thinking about why the comment went over your head?
Insulting me, doesn't make it any less so that you missed the point.
Wow the host *always* let Hasan get the last word, that is hilarious
this comment section aged like gold considering everything michael predicted came true.
Its funny but sad that we were right the whole time. I was legit hoping to be wrong lol this is awful.
I added up all of the time between Knowles and Piker. Enjoy.
Mask Mandate
Knowles: 4:20
Piker: 6:09 (last word)
President Trumps Approach
Knowles 1:37
Piker 2:17 (last word)
The Feds Move In
Knowles: 2.09
Piker: 6:36 (last word)
The Election
Knowles: 1:24
Piker: 4:11 (last word)
TOTAL: Knowles 9:30
Piker 19:13
You do realise that Michael isn't making any points when he is given time. They didn't talk over each other so Michael could have done so. Hasan was making points with evidence but Michael was only using anecdotes.
@@shridharbiju7370 lol the only real anecdote was his use of masks comment everything else he cited actual facts... Right, they didn't talk over each other but Michael wasn't given the time to reply to the comments. As a moderator this is what you need to account for and as for as debates go I think this was still better then a lot of them.
You should measure by words 😂
I truly feel sorry for the education you got if you think any of that happened
@@shridharbiju7370 bwhahahahahahahaha yes Micheal brings up CDC, Cenks nephew "well that doesn't count"
Lol
Summary: Hassan talks for 10 minutes at a time making 50 points. Michaels gets to respond for 30 seconds to one of the points.
He also gets to jab on three or four lies in so Michael only gets to redact 1 lie
Michael is slow and doesn't make any points other than personal anecdotes bro...
@@tjones6277 that's a cool story bruh..
@@MediaBuster you must be reading very short and simple stories. You find it on the kindergarten bookshelf?
@@jackmerry1972 *That's **_exactly_** where Tristan's story likely came from.*
Dude's shirt looks like a map from 1506.
Good debate.
This was awesome! Great job moderating and sharing.
He's a phenomenonal listener man fr
it was 2 vs 1 but ok..
Would've loved to have heard Knowles talk.
Damn, must be deaf then.
@@RobinVanPersie1998 Joke was Piker talked way more than Knowles there sport
He did and sounded like an idiot using outdated data to backup erroneous claims.
PHX-Sisko sheesh. Not even 4 months and the data is outdated. It’s almost like the results of these “studies” change based on political utility.
@@joshcarter5759 Lmao.
This aged so poorly for Hasan. I would love to hear him respond this this nonsense now.
Legitimate question. How so?
Hassan is the embodiment of group think. The individual ability to think for him or herself is repressed to accommodate the group. Usually, the group narrative is controlled by those who control our mainstream science, media, education and politics which have alternative motives. That would explain why "democratic socialism" sounds like a wonderful idea to those who think like Hassan, but its a trojan horse which the federal government, central banks and corporations will have ALL the control.
Hasan is the same guy who had a shirt with the American flag and Alexandria cortez on it as if she was America's hero
When aoc does nothing but talk shit about it
So he's not very smart
I always found Hasan very fake and sometimes, cringe. He goes where the wind blows.
@@Taylor_5724 @Taylor let's just start with his 1st line...."the government should be doing more". They're TERRIBLE at everything they do other than fight wars. They have no idea who to listen to or how to spend our money and have gone against REAL science at every step. What HAVE they done? They've ruined small businesses, created the biggest social divide in us history, forced faulty covid treatments (remdesiver/ventilators) while restricting treatments that work (ivermectin/monoclonal antibodies,etc), enforced useless mandates that ONLY created division and little protection, they never once mentioned how to keep healthy(zinc, d, c, etc), they have used and allowed EOs for political signaling on a level that will go down in history as the greatest abuse of power in our generation. They STILL use Fauci (no explanation needed). They have not done ONE thing right and he wants them do do more of what they do SO TERRIBLY. (Sorry....but that's a typical liberal for you....)
His angle on every opinion is this way....just blind. All of the suffering he speaks about is BECAUSE of the governments reaction...not the virus.
"Poeple are dragging this out by refusing to wear mask and social distance" BULLSHIT....thats why everyone is so pissed off! We've all been doing that stupid shit....we were forced to! Not to mention the hypocrat/democrites are the ones marching for BLM and partying at Obamas bday....the list goes on and on about their hypocrisy. The point is, their ideas are NEVER the right answer and the dems won't stop repeating the same fucking nonsense over and over, never bringing anything new to the table....just, "pick the stupidest, least scientific measures possible, force everyone to comply, ruin the economy in the process and repeat/YELL at everyone to COMPLY HARDER"....rather that THINK/debate/prove....
I'm done...I fucking hate libtards so much at this point (and I voted blue before 2020...didn't vote for Trump in 16). This not even worth it. You either see this stuff and agree or you don't and probably never will. No idea where you stand but praying you have eyes and a brain to push back against these kooks.
This debate is like a Lvl 1 Minion vs a Lvl 1000 Boss. It was over before it started.
Using a 3 month old CDC study disclaimer as your argument against literally every public health official is some of the most mind boggling mental gymnastics that I've seen in a long time.
"It hasn't been updated since then!"
In an editorial published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), CDC reviewed the latest science and affirms that cloth face coverings are a critical tool in the fight against COVID-19 that could reduce the spread of the disease, particularly when used universally within communities. There is increasing evidence that cloth face coverings help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others.
www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html
"Literally every public health official" lol
@@Mr.Pants45 Yep.
One thing I don't get, does micheal have no clue about the scientific method? He's talking about credibility as if it's some moral debate things change as we learn new stuff. I mean seriously tell him to look up the definition of the scientific method, something he should have learnt in school.
@@neileapenninan8706 He doesn't care.
Hassan’s face at the end shows you he really enjoyed that studio comment 😂
Haha yes
Yes, he probably thought it was a very witty piece of banter.
@j - k Lol, no
Lmao this aged like milk for both Hasan and the moderator. Michael was the only one who came out with any grace
DId you even watch the video? Michael literally spent the entire time lying about masks not working
Why did this age poorly for Hasan and the host?
don’t think so. i’d argue that his closest to grace was his opinion on covid.
But by the time Hasan's bs took to be completely spoiled, Hasan's audiences already forgot about this one, and ate up the next.
I've worked to hard and dont deserve to be forced to live like this
00:00 gentermen
The fact Hassan buttoned his Hawaiian shirt’s top button makes him lose
lol
@kylerobertm I think the joke is that he did something no sane person would, taking an extremely informal shirt that's meant to be unbuttoned, and buttoning it and using it for a formal fashion.
Making himself not to be taken seriously
@Karen Kasparian Yo where's your profile picture from?
@Karen Kasparian Nah I'm not attractive, that pfp is tho was wondering if she has an instagram
This is comedy gold…
The crossover I wanted
This was a decent debate. They disagreed mostly respectfully. Cheers to both!
one with facts and one with emotion
@@greenburg2276 true, michael is pretty emotional
@@hinasakukimi Hasan was even more emotional
@@hinasakukimi pointing out sweden was more successful by actually following the science is emotional? But saying "we need to open safely" isnt emotional?
@@enterpassword3313 you're right, "we need to open dangerously" is far more logical
And the right says that leftists are snowflakes😂😂
You gotta understand that everyone gets offended, that's human nature. It's what you do in response that matters. Since the mainstream right has taken the clearly stronger position on free speech, they may not like something but they will never ask for It's removal, for eg from college campuses which the left is famous for doing.
Furthermore the left has gotten more snowflake like as they have gotten younger through the decades, while the right has gotten less snowflake mainly because of religion not being as dogmatic as intersectionality. Victim worship on left is more sacred than God worship on right.
Yall cry about safe spaces then need turing point u asa (safe space) to pay college's to let republicans argue with kids insted of real pundits
@@danstan7274 what?? No one stops leftists to come into these so called conservative speakers' halls. Anyone can come. The fact that people riot in Berkeley even if the speaker is a centrists speaks volumes. Jon haidt talked about these people in the coddling of American mind. Also the mainstream left is not as soft, and neither is the right. I'm talking about college culture, and it will spill over into society over the next years.
@@shauryadivya1736 you need million dollar donations and to make a whole orginization (safe space no matter how much you don't like it) to try and push your ideas when its your belief that ideas should succeed in the free marketplace of ideas L
@@shauryadivya1736 no just lefties
Where the fuck did all these conspiracy nuts in the comment sections come from lololol.
You think masks work? You’re the conspiracy nut 😂
The CDC came out and said that the standard masks weren't effective.
Whichever side you look at it from, America only took half measures.
In reality the country was never able to control Covid and never would be, because too many take their "freedoms" to the extreme, even in the face of a deadly virus.
As long as Americans can carry a rifle and cough on people during a pandemic, they will do so to prove they are the "freest" country in the world.
the alex jones zombies have awoken half of their brain and are starting to spread more misinformation as expected
A lot are fans of a guy named Destiny (who isn't that bad, but has a hate boner for Hasan) and his fans are like Trump supporters on steroids. It sucks because again, Destiny really isn't that bad, but his fans make being in his communities insufferable. And they will give no credit to Hasan for anything while also tearing him down at any chance they get or make
Where are the studies that show masks work. Most studies i have read say theres no noticeable change. I think 2% was the biggest transmission decrease and that was with only 2 places. Really can someone link something for me?
Knowles everytime Hasan speaks: "I agree with you on that point but actually no I don't."
he does that so Piker doesn't start to cry...... he's trying to keep him in the debate, cause he's inclusive(unlike liberals :D)
@@itkojecockot hasan isn't a liberal LMAOOOO
@@itkojecockot Hasan is not a fucking liberal hahahahaaaaa
@@itkojecockot Smooth take from you
Smooth brained, that is
@@itkojecockot b-b-but he doesnt like liberalz!!!!
Elex: :D
Michael: :D
Hasan: :|
"Genermen" at 00:01 has me cracking up lol
And the host is biased. Sooooo🤷♀️
He kept moving on before Michael could finish his say
biased towards facts?
Cade Tormanen because he was taking too long and taking out of his ass
Bambino get some new material, the whole facts shtick is so old
@@joes7396 You're talking about Hasan, right?
10:48 This makes me chuckle, it's like a school playground debate and I love it.
@Wackaz 2.0 lmao
@@ImAmirus Yeah, no. They would not know more, they would know what you want them to know. Which is a lie.
@@ImAmirus No, I will tell you what you should tell them. Nothing. Politically indoctrinating children is not okay.
@@ImAmirus Ah of course, resorting to gaslighting and strawmanning. Expected.
@@ImAmirus "I know you are but what am I"
Quit the foolish playground nonsense
This has aged like fine wine
Why is that??
Michael’s comments have aged like fine wine.
The other guys comments have aged like organic lettuce accidentally left in the vegetable crisper while you went on vacation
Why don't these debates happen more often these days??
For real!
Because right wing echo chambers ignore the almost constant debate offers from the likes of Sam Seder, Kyle Kulinski, and David Packman and it takes mediators like this show to force both sides into long form debates to get any real conversation happening
Dan Tasty we could list people on both sides who don’t want to debate, but there are plenty of right wingers who try to debate people from the TYT or other prominent Democrats and they turn around and lie about it and say things like “I’m not going to give a platforms to hate” let’s be real people like Ben Shapiro and crowded are willing to debate and crowder in particular was very willing to debate kulinski but Kyle didn’t want to
FREQVENCY Crowder notoriously wouldn’t debate sam seder, and bailed on his debate with Kyle at politicon. Shapiro only goes on programs where he knows he’ll be in control or unchallenged i.e. dave rubin, fox, eric weinstein, prager u, and most recently joe rogan. There are definitely democrats that want to censor the right because they don’t know how to combat their arguments without talking like leftists (who they hate more). proper left wingers only have a problem with people like Rubin who let blatant lies and disgusting rhetoric slip through unchallenged, all while perpetuating the fiction that people in the IDW and figures like Molyneux are ‘the new center’
Dan Tasty I think maybe Kyle and Crowder both don’t like each other to the point where neither of them will debate, I’ve seen Kyle denounce some of crowders jokes as hateful but anyways I think we both agree that more debates like these need to happen, I’m in the conservative camp and I am more than willing to listen to a real liberal debate a conservative but I don’t think there is enough real liberals that make waves and headlines, they are frowned upon because the far left is so savage and tribal they will attack their own. It makes me sad to see people like jimmy dore and Kyle kulinski slept on compared to extreme activism