Funny enough, Hol Horse can be simplified to HoHo, witch in Spanish can be said the same as Jojo, and coming from Araki, who tend to diverge from the original JoJo to other variants like GioGio, xD
It sounds great but Avdol died when Cream disintegrated him, because when Polnareff kills Vanilla Ice, Iggy and Avdol's souls materialize in the sky in front of Polnareff and then ascend to heaven
So -Hol horse disguised himself as a 60 year old joseph to sleep with tomoko -DIO sensed that Hol Horse was a joestar and hired him to kill his own family members -Hol Horse himself never felt the connection to the joestar family that they’re all supposed to feel -Hol Horse also never noticed the joestar birthmark, nor had it ever been pointed out to him by anyone he’s ever slept with -Joseph didn’t recognize his own son he named Hol. -a member of the Joestar family turned out to be a surprisingly weak willed coward and -Joseph himself believes that Josuke is his own son. Honestly I believe it more than what DIO did at the end of part 1
Yeah, that's what makes the theory weak, I understand that Joseph was senile on DIU but why didn't anyone notice anything on SC. I even get Joseph turning his back on the son who turned evil and teamed up with Dio but why didn't Jotaro feel a connection. Also Hol Horse could have felt jealous over Jotaro because he was treated better by Joseph than himself but than didn't happen. Also Hol Horse never sensed her sister was dying by her own stand or sensed Dio because he used Jonathan's body.
@Racist Tom Also wasn't it explained on Stone Ocean that part of the Heaven Plan was getting rid of all the Joestars to restore fate? I don't think he would entrust a Joestar with killing his own kind without even giving him a flesh bug in case he disobeyed or failed (Enya had one not because she wasn't evil but to make her explode when she couldn't complete a task, also Okuyasu's dad seemed like he was manipulated but I guess that shows what would have happened if they didn't remove the bud from Kakyoin or Polnareff). I don't even think he would have accepted to work with him at all, because he had a big pride and working with the people he wanted to eradicate to supposedly fix a problem in the universe doesn't seem possible. But if he did he should at least have taken simple measures like the flesh bud. Also by that point the Joestar group had already removed two flesh buds so that's not so viable either. And I'm sure he would have thought fate would bring Hol Horse and the rest together and they would have felt a connection.
They aren’t well known for being healers, Tonio is more like a medic because he solves certain issues in the body. Giorno doesn’t completely heal as Josuke does, it’s even mentioned a lot that Giorno’s healing process is painful and will only restore your body parts.
@@TheShuckmeister man does that mean you stopped bathing now? This video was released 20 days later the previous one, and the gaps between your vids were smaller than now.
Theory for a next video: After dying, Shigechi actually became Sans Undertale. I mean, is so obvious that it's even on the name S - Shigechi A - after N - not S - surviving
My theory: The reason why Okuyasu is so stupid is because he accidentally erased a part of his brain, which is why he has weird stitches on his head. lol imagine
That… wouldnt be too far fetched judging how dangerous his stand was. Giving a someone with no experience a gun might probably lead to either shooting themselves in the face or someone else by accident without proper training.
It would make sense that Hol Horse would be a Joestar in disguise. He can survive bullets to the head and is familiar with the secret Joestar technique. The reason he didn't show up more until now is because a Joestar with a gun would be too overpowered and effectively break the JoJo meta.
actually, araki originally planned for hol horse to join the crusaders, but thought that he was too similar to polarneff and his stand emperor was too op.
@@ProjektTaku not just araki though that Hol Horse is similar to Polnaref. While watching that one episode where they started to laugh I admitted that this is what a real life mirror show case would look like with two similar characters xD The moment I said that out loud and laughed they got serious... That was so random. Truly, one of a kind)
@@gastonfourt5363 but if hol horse mated with tomoko before diu and 4 years before stardust crusaders. he would be old but tomoko wouldnt know cuz he was young when he mated with tomoko
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 it has ground but unless their is a confirmation.. well we know the rule of thumb. Not canon until Araki confirms it... or Diavolo dies.
I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT HOL HORSE IS JOSEPH'S SON FOR MONTHS!!! The naming scheme, how similar he looks to Holly, the secret technique, everything!! I even made an extensive PowerPoint about it I don't think Hol is Josuke's father though. I think they're both Joseph's sons, which would mean that they're brothers.
In the middle of watching this and I expect to hear in the end "but that's just a theory, a Joestar theory!!!". Edit: even better ending then I thought lol
It doesn't really make sense for him to be Joseoh and Suzie Q's son. There is just no way Joseph would just let his son disappear without a trace and never mention it. Though I'm not sure if Hol Horse and Joseph ever meet.
@@boianko well they said they would search for the mother of the invisible baby and looked how that turned out 😂😂😂 ofc he was senile at that time but yea that was only in morioh, this theory states he was lost at a bigger town/country, so it would be hard to believe about him actually finding his son given how big the area is
@@kingofpop5013 Well Hol Horse is at least 20-ish years old. Which means Joseph would have been around the age he was in stardust crusaders, and you can't really make the argument that he was senile in that series.
@@boianko hol horse is definitely around 40ish, and i never said he cheated on erina and had hol horse, i said they had a long lost son that was separated
I have a theory that doppio was the original person and diavolo is a family curse, that’s how he was born without needing a father, in a sense, diavolo is his father. That’s why Bruno thought doppio was Trish
My theory is that Solido Naso is the real person and Diavolo is a literal demon possessing him, that's why he has a separate soul from him and why he was born without needing a father. Probably he was born out of some sort of satanic ritual to bring out a vessel or something. And the all female prison was actually a cult. His mother was eventually saved from there by a priest but he ended up burning down his house and killing the priest. Then he covered up his tracks and changed his name to Doppio. Sadly during that time he had sex with a woman who knew him by the name Solido Naso and she became pregnant, so he wanted to kill her to keep that past buried. Realistically his mother was on a weird cult who used in vitro fertilization to make her pregnant and then make it seem like she had a demonic child with no father so they'll use him on rituals too. They were saved but they both had trauma so he created a devil alternate personality. But since there's actual supernatural beings in Jojo and they were actually shown to have different souls, then maybe Diavolo was actually a demon. And then it makes sense why he had such a harsh punishment compared to other Jojo villans and no possible redemption ever, he's the literal devil.
Though if anyone wants a story that takes on the affair head on, chapter 2 part 2 of Reimi's Bizarre Adv Pink Justice might be of great interest. It's Joseph & Tomoko confessing to Holly about the affair & talking things out while Reimi & her parents Stand by in support.
I told my brother about this theory and the first thing he said was, “So if Hol Horse is a Joestar and DIO can sense the presence of a Joestar then how come he didn’t sense a nearby Joestar and just kill him when he was about to recruit him?” So he just shattered the whole theory in half for me
Shuck! You were so close but in actuality it’s Hol Horse who’s Josuke’s son! Initially during the Bites The Dust arc, Josuke was going to be sent back in time in order to chase Kira down. Leaping from decade to decade in different bodies, living entire lifetimes in a Quantum Leap - style of story telling. One of which would have brought about the birth of Hol Horse himself! But alas….Araki forgot
Jesus, that's... Interesting. Edit: Here's a theory of my own that used to be my headcanon. Gold Experience and its ability to create life is actually a stand that harnesses the sunlight's power just like Hamon, and could even be a stand that uses Hamon.
@@CaseWater62839 Hamon repicates the Sun with life energy, so by some extension, it could be possible. I always saw Gold Experience like it got its stats from Dio and ability from JoJo blended and made unique, as most children are
@@claudiogarciasarmiento7487 were they ever actually shown in part 2? No? Then my point stands, a Zepelli with screen time doesn't live past their part.
These are all part 8 Theories 1: The Guard-rails Run The Mafia 2: Dio saved the OG universe from an alien invasion by killing Danny (The dog) 3: Bob the Slinger is the Grandfather of Josehfumi on his mother’s side and Joseph is his father meaning that Singer Bob is a Kujo meaning in the OG universe that he is released to Jotaro. Also Bob the Slinger is flash back man who was seen in a photo, (who might have been connected to bling baby in some way). 4: Wasp Politics and Society is essential for understanding Rock Humans. 5: Toru is actually a good written character and tried to keep the rock humans together with his ability and the new rokakaka. 6: Pucci is here and he is going to bring back DIO for Part 9 (Wich I imagine is a sports anime with stands), where DIO will be a Villain. 7: The hills and walls are alive and trying to kill you. 8: Go Beyond is inharited Will from Born This Way. Bonus Part 6 theory: Bohemian Rap City’s only purpose was to make Mickey Mouse canon in JoJo.
That's pretty compelling. One thing that might be a factor or I'd just a coincidence, but isn't Crazy Diamond like a variant Star Platinum? Similar battle cry, similar punching speed and strength. Actually yea. Just coincidence since we got Dio who has a head and a body separately explaining The World and his own hermit purple. Edit: Just noticed the eye colors too. Joseph's eyes are a hazy green, right? Josukes has deep blue ones. Hol Horse has deep blue eyes as well.
This is a very nice theory, but 1. how can you explain Eyes of Heaven? In a scene of the game, old Joseph meet Josuke, confirming then that he has been in Morio-Cho, and then recognising Josuke his son. 2. We know that Joestars can "feel" eachother, but Joseph and Jotaro, for example when Hol Horse take Polnareff in ostage, don't "feel" him.
Great theory. There is one hole I would like to poke in your theory though. Crazy Diamond's demonic heart break takes place BEFORE part 4, so if that's true why did Joseph never say anything about never sleeping with Tomoko?
This is a great theory and is correct about Hol Horse being Joseph's son but in reality Hol Horse is actually Giorno's father. This explains where Giorno got the picture of Dio because in reality Hol Horse lied about his identity to Giorno's mom to be more impressive. Both Giorno and Hol Horse have blonde hair. This would also explain why Giorno is not in part 6. Unlike the son's of Dio Giorno is not drawn to Pucci because he is not a son of Dio. Furthermore Giorno's Golden Experience may be yellow and have a stand cry of muda similar to Dio not because Dio is his father but actually due to the fact Giorno developed his stand as a result of Dio's body sending out a distress signal to the joestar bloodline of heros. This is also shown with Crazy Diamond having a similar design to The World but having different colors. Another major similarity they both have is the fact their full names can't be combined to form the usual JoJo but instead form HoHo and GioGio respectively. These two are the only 2 major Joestars who share this naming abnormality. But remember this is just a part of the story that Araki forgot to mention at the time.
@@mr.yellow9577 Giorno would still be related to Johnathan so it makes sense they would have similarities. However, Giorno is not very similar to Dio in the fact that Dio was very cold hearted and was shown many times to not care for the people who worked under him while Giorno cared for the other members of Passione similar to how Hol Horse was considerate towards Boingo. Another similarity is that both Hol Horse and Giorno are very charismatic, Hol Horse being able to convince woman all over the world to fall for him, and Giorno being able to convince Passione to turn against Diavolo. To an extent both characters have a similar event where they turn against the person they work for. Hol Horse considers shooting Dio but does not have the resolve to do so. Giorno on the other hand did have the resolve to stand his ground against Diavolo and defeat him showing that Hol Horse's son was able to succeed where he failed.
@@nevomizrachi6282 That is a tough one to explain, perhaps after fully gaining control of his stand his hair color also began to change due to a psychic link with his father or alternatively going through puberty caused his hair color to lighten and turn blonde like his father's
I loved your video, and I'd like you to do a video about the possibility that Albus Dumbledore (and by an extent Tom Marvolo Riddle) and Junko Enoshima are the same person. Lemme explain - Both of them have forbidden loves (Gellert Grindelwald/Izuru Kamukura) - Both are responsible/headmasters of a school - Both have an influential aura, so much so that they choose their experiments to unfurl their master plans (first with Snape and Scamander/Chisa and Ryota, then with Harry / Nagito) - Both have messed up family stories (the Ariana accident / Junko's relationship with her sister Mukuro) - Dumbledore's Army is a group of people led by Harry Potter in order to train them against the inevitable coming of Voldemort, using magic despite the school prohibition on Year 5. Where did I hear this before? Something, something, Remnants of Despair, trained to spread Despair in the society despite the Future Foundation? Also the Remnants can also be related to Death-eaters - Both have pets (Fanny / Monokuma) and people who love them more than themselves and would (and will) sacrifice themselves for their love (Ariana again /Mukuro, Mikan and Tsumugi) - Both have a spiel with their pupils in the afterlife (Dumbledore with Harry, Junko with Chisa) What do you think? Is this enough to make a video about it?
With this logic stitched onto my own theory about mista being another son of hol horse, That would mean not only is he josuke’s brother, but also by extension a joestar himself.
Woah this theory blew my mind! Certainly great stuff. 🤣 Try theorizing on who Jolynes mother is next. (And why is it Aya Tsuji). Btw One Piece theories always have been WILD, Shuck
Fun fact: Joseph never saw tomoko in Japan, which means he wouldn’t know if it was the right Japanese woman For all we know, Joseph was with josuke’s next door neighbor and since he never saw tomoko he wouldn’t be able to confirm it And to counter people saying that tomoko thought jotaro was Joseph fake name?
i carefully analised each and every chapter of jojo's bizzare adventure and came up with a crazy theory i know it may sound weird but what if johnatan... was a joestar 😳
@The Shuckmeister just double-checking something with you, but: the joestar mark on Josukes shoulder was NOT on any official Manga releases on PT4, but was added/shown in the anime adaptations afterwards, right? And then in promotional content. Having the SCRICT point of view of only OFFICIAL b&w Manga volumes being the Canon, that joestar mark was not shown to the public in the original volumes of DiU. Am I correct?
There is this thing that Araki said: Avdol was suppose to disapper for a whilhe when they met Hol Horse, and the most famous western gunslinger in all of Jojo history was to become a Crusader
@@toxic_shr00m Araki said that. He even made a drawing of Hol Horse with the crusaders, but he realised that it wouldn't make sense for the killer of one of the Crusaders to become one. Now about this theory, yeah I'm not so sure, but I think it is cool.
@@aurarookie2293 I know that Hol Horse was at one point considered to join the crusaders, but Avdol was never actually meant to die there. Some people think it was a last minute change from an editor or something but Araki confirmed that Avdol was always intended to come back at some point. The quote: "I killed him once in India, because I'm always trying to keep readers from getting bored with the same pattern. I also wanted to add some reality to the story by having someone get sacrificed. I thought it'd be great to add in an episode where they lose a team member. I didn't intend to erase him forever, though.. But I thought it'd be too easy if he came back to life immediately, so I wanted to prepare a flashy comeback that readers would be able to accept."
@@toxic_shr00m oh, that's what you meant. I tought we were only talking about Hol Horse. What you said about Avdol is something I already knew. I learned and just wanted to exagerate a little in the comments. I misunderstood you there.
I mean I don’t know how he got his stand so early, or how none of the over joestars recognised him by name nor their sense, but I do think it’s possible that it’s Joseph’s illegitimates son that unlike Josuke he wouldn’t have known about
If this theory is true… the Mexican fanfic could literally be the third alternate Josuke… I can’t believe this would make everything a lot more messy and better for the bloodline if this existed in an alternate universe.
Didn't Hol Horse had his stand alot longer than the others hence his accuracy, and use of Emperor. Plus didn't Josuke's fever came about when Holly had hers of their stands trying to manifest, infecting the Joestars(of course Joseph, and Jotaro are mean in fighting spirit and can manifest their stands). Plus Josuke is crafty like his dad when in battles, Josuke care for his love ones, just as Joseph both just furious especially to those who think their better or mock them. Both Josuke and Joseph is seen being forgiving to their enemies at their lowest if they deserve it, Joseph to Wamuu, and Josuke to Okuyasu, death hurts them at heart too CEASER!!!!!!!!!!! to Joseph, and Shigachi death almost had Josuke in tears, Hol Horse be the type of "their loss my leave". Not saying this isn't a fun theory just Araki would've have confirmed it by now or we would see more Hol Horse in the Joestar family. But he wouldn't be the only Jojo left out Donatello, Ungalo, Rykiel, Shizuka, and Gorge II Joestar get left out often. But I do see potential of Araki writing this to be true looking back, but at the time of part 4 he stated he didn't know Jojo would go past part 3, and I guess Araki's new trilogy at the time was to use the main 3 Jojo's before and give them kids to continue the story in their ways, Josuke was easy for Joseph to come back cause his comedic plot armor, and Joseph was a bit of a swinger. Giornio to Diohnathan, and Jolyne to Jotaro.
This man is an absolute genius. He even goes through the work to make a female avatar just for the sake of views he's really comitted to it. I like it. (Great video btw.)
Ok ok, hear me out, I think dandy from space dandy is the dude in joskues flashback that inspired his hairstyle, and I have more stuff for a whole crossover theory but I can’t remember it all right now so all Imma add is that the music for the space dandy op fits really well with the bloody stream vid, it’s on RUclips.
The story is awesome yeah, and i think hol horse would have been a funny addition to the crusaders. But sadly the story cannot be real coz dio would have sensed his bloodline nearby
Dio would have noticed that he was a joestar and trying to make his will bend to his without a fleshbud as a form of torture because Jonathan was kinda alive as he rejected Dio twice.
I have 2 really CRAZY BIZARRE therories. I think that DIO might be bisexual and Yoshikage Kira has a hand fetish. Please confirm if this is true or not.
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Here’s a crazy theory for the next video.. hear me out. But after watching Golden Wind I think Doppio and Diavolo *might* be the same person.
WHAT. DUDE THATS INSANE!
You might be on to something
nah fam that's impossible
Nah man, that too crazy
BLASPHEMY
Funny enough, Hol Horse can be simplified to HoHo, witch in Spanish can be said the same as Jojo, and coming from Araki, who tend to diverge from the original JoJo to other variants like GioGio, xD
Big brain
Blood Sun Vendetta
@@foopgallery big brain indeed 🤓
Bruh hoho in spanish is just oo
@@yamman225 it's a meme
Someone really thought of joining Hol Horse and Josuke in a spin off for some reason and I freaking love whoever decide to make it
When's it out
@@matt81864 it's out already the first three chapters are out
Hello Kakyoin.
@Kakyoin Noriaki THERES TWO?! ONE IS AN IMPOSTOR!
@@polnareff-ball1754 I think one of us is here because of D4C
Avdol was actually transported to another timeline after Cream's attack is one of my favorite theories
So he now exists in another universe without hands?
@@aa-uz5gv it'd be cool
@@aa-uz5gv and Cream did eat the hands too after, so, it could be argued he could have them
It sounds great but Avdol died when Cream disintegrated him, because when Polnareff kills Vanilla Ice, Iggy and Avdol's souls materialize in the sky in front of Polnareff and then ascend to heaven
@@honguitoesporado4857 that's just what Polnareff saw though, Jotaro also saw the same thing with Joseph, but, Joseph wasn't even technically dead
Boys are able to see the “flaws” and “Araki forgot” moments in JoJo, real men are able to forcefully put the broken puzzle pieces together anyways
Damn I still a boy
i cant do both
@@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257 neither can i but we can atleast enjoy both doing whatever they do
We use Za Hando to erase the plot holes
That's just a coping mechanism to get over the fact that this dude either forgot or purposefully branched away from the track
So
-Hol horse disguised himself as a 60 year old joseph to sleep with tomoko
-DIO sensed that Hol Horse was a joestar and hired him to kill his own family members
-Hol Horse himself never felt the connection to the joestar family that they’re all supposed to feel
-Hol Horse also never noticed the joestar birthmark, nor had it ever been pointed out to him by anyone he’s ever slept with
-Joseph didn’t recognize his own son he named Hol.
-a member of the Joestar family turned out to be a surprisingly weak willed coward
and
-Joseph himself believes that Josuke is his own son.
Honestly I believe it more than what DIO did at the end of part 1
Yeah, that's what makes the theory weak, I understand that Joseph was senile on DIU but why didn't anyone notice anything on SC.
I even get Joseph turning his back on the son who turned evil and teamed up with Dio but why didn't Jotaro feel a connection. Also Hol Horse could have felt jealous over Jotaro because he was treated better by Joseph than himself but than didn't happen.
Also Hol Horse never sensed her sister was dying by her own stand or sensed Dio because he used Jonathan's body.
@Racist Tom Also wasn't it explained on Stone Ocean that part of the Heaven Plan was getting rid of all the Joestars to restore fate?
I don't think he would entrust a Joestar with killing his own kind without even giving him a flesh bug in case he disobeyed or failed (Enya had one not because she wasn't evil but to make her explode when she couldn't complete a task, also Okuyasu's dad seemed like he was manipulated but I guess that shows what would have happened if they didn't remove the bud from Kakyoin or Polnareff).
I don't even think he would have accepted to work with him at all, because he had a big pride and working with the people he wanted to eradicate to supposedly fix a problem in the universe doesn't seem possible.
But if he did he should at least have taken simple measures like the flesh bud. Also by that point the Joestar group had already removed two flesh buds so that's not so viable either. And I'm sure he would have thought fate would bring Hol Horse and the rest together and they would have felt a connection.
@Racist Tom and links never came...
i got lost as soon as you said hol horse said "aight imma cosplay a 60 year old man" 💀
you clearly arent paying any attention
This theory hinges on the fact that Joseph doesn’t care that he lost his son
What I was thinking that’s not Joseph like
@@jim-mf3dv yeah, plus he would've used hermit purple to find him. Still a really fun theory though
Unless hol horse was the son he had through an affair.
true
That sounds exactly like his character!
"There is only one healer that uses the power of his stand to heal and restore others."
Giorno and Tonio: "Are we a joke to you?"
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They aren’t well known for being healers, Tonio is more like a medic because he solves certain issues in the body. Giorno doesn’t completely heal as Josuke does, it’s even mentioned a lot that Giorno’s healing process is painful and will only restore your body parts.
What about ff it's technically counted as a Healer
💀
Foo Fighters is definitely one
Wow this went from one shower thought to a entire story I needed this.
The process for 90% of my vids
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@@TheShuckmeister man does that mean you stopped bathing now? This video was released 20 days later the previous one, and the gaps between your vids were smaller than now.
@@ULarry2007 this is when theories get dangerous
Imagine if this theory spreads faster than the "araki forgor💀" joke
Theory for a next video: After dying, Shigechi actually became Sans Undertale. I mean, is so obvious that it's even on the name
S - Shigechi
A - after
N - not
S - surviving
brrrr
Real
Yeah, fella died so hard that harvest changed completely
*slaps* pendeqo!
They're both short. Theory confirmed
My theory: The reason why Okuyasu is so stupid is because he accidentally erased a part of his brain, which is why he has weird stitches on his head.
lol imagine
That… wouldnt be too far fetched judging how dangerous his stand was. Giving a someone with no experience a gun might probably lead to either shooting themselves in the face or someone else by accident without proper training.
Explains alot
OI JOSUKE I was picking my nose and uh, I uh, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
WAS THAT THE HAND OF '99??
@@weedspagon4522 lmao
It would make sense that Hol Horse would be a Joestar in disguise. He can survive bullets to the head and is familiar with the secret Joestar technique. The reason he didn't show up more until now is because a Joestar with a gun would be too overpowered and effectively break the JoJo meta.
Omg so true lolololool
actually, araki originally planned for hol horse to join the crusaders, but thought that he was too similar to polarneff and his stand emperor was too op.
@@ProjektTaku not just araki though that Hol Horse is similar to Polnaref. While watching that one episode where they started to laugh I admitted that this is what a real life mirror show case would look like with two similar characters xD
The moment I said that out loud and laughed they got serious... That was so random. Truly, one of a kind)
If only Joseph kept his tommy gun
@@DiDiDinky another piece of evidence for hol horse being Joseph's son
But Jotaro convinced Tomoko that he wasn't Joseph by saying that he doesn't have wrinkles, which Joseph had and Hol Horse didn't
True, true
Idk maybe all the stress from stardust crusaders really done Hol horse in
@@ManWithThreeDollars but this was before the stardust crusaders. remember josuke was 4 when the stardust crusaders kille dio.
@@SomeProShinobi but hol horse was born some time after holly, and probably a decade or two before jotaro was born. Man must be pretty old by DiU.
@@gastonfourt5363 but if hol horse mated with tomoko before diu and 4 years before stardust crusaders. he would be old but tomoko wouldnt know cuz he was young when he mated with tomoko
"He may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy"
- Unlimited Ungulate (Crazy Diamond's Demonic Heartbreak)
"Who's your daddy, that's right it's me."
-Entire Equine (CDDH)
yondu
Does this mean that Josuke would be...
(oh lord this joke is stupid)
... HALF HORSE?!
That wasn't stupid
That was actually funny
*Insert Half Life intro here*
I choked on my drink
@@doomslayer3389 are you okay sir
@@rowdyriolu1 yeah I had crazy diamond heal me
“There’s almost no Joestar that has that accuracy” forgets that Jotaro literally trained Josuke to shoot darts
"Natural Proficiency" was the term used, saying that Josuke picked it very quickly, as opposed to Jotaro who practiced and trained that ability.
lol
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 Didn't Jotaro even note that Josuke picked that "shooting" technique up pretty fast?
@@kevinmoore2474 I believe he did, so shucks shitpost has more merit than he thought
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 it has ground but unless their is a confirmation.. well we know the rule of thumb. Not canon until Araki confirms it... or Diavolo dies.
I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT HOL HORSE IS JOSEPH'S SON FOR MONTHS!!! The naming scheme, how similar he looks to Holly, the secret technique, everything!! I even made an extensive PowerPoint about it
I don't think Hol is Josuke's father though. I think they're both Joseph's sons, which would mean that they're brothers.
In the middle of watching this and I expect to hear in the end "but that's just a theory, a Joestar theory!!!".
Edit: even better ending then I thought lol
Nah, we're doing a different kind of parody
next you should do a video on how janken kid is actually polarneff's son.
Holy shit
*wheeze*
Mon dieu!
@@MamboCat84 lol
Ok, at first this seemed really far-fetched, but it actually does kinda make sense! You make very good points, and it all seems plausible.
It doesn't really make sense for him to be Joseoh and Suzie Q's son. There is just no way Joseph would just let his son disappear without a trace and never mention it. Though I'm not sure if Hol Horse and Joseph ever meet.
@@boianko josuke
@@boianko well they said they would search for the mother of the invisible baby and looked how that turned out 😂😂😂 ofc he was senile at that time but yea that was only in morioh, this theory states he was lost at a bigger town/country, so it would be hard to believe about him actually finding his son given how big the area is
@@kingofpop5013 Well Hol Horse is at least 20-ish years old. Which means Joseph would have been around the age he was in stardust crusaders, and you can't really make the argument that he was senile in that series.
@@boianko hol horse is definitely around 40ish, and i never said he cheated on erina and had hol horse, i said they had a long lost son that was separated
I have a theory that doppio was the original person and diavolo is a family curse, that’s how he was born without needing a father, in a sense, diavolo is his father. That’s why Bruno thought doppio was Trish
My theory is that Solido Naso is the real person and Diavolo is a literal demon possessing him, that's why he has a separate soul from him and why he was born without needing a father.
Probably he was born out of some sort of satanic ritual to bring out a vessel or something. And the all female prison was actually a cult.
His mother was eventually saved from there by a priest but he ended up burning down his house and killing the priest. Then he covered up his tracks and changed his name to Doppio.
Sadly during that time he had sex with a woman who knew him by the name Solido Naso and she became pregnant, so he wanted to kill her to keep that past buried.
Realistically his mother was on a weird cult who used in vitro fertilization to make her pregnant and then make it seem like she had a demonic child with no father so they'll use him on rituals too. They were saved but they both had trauma so he created a devil alternate personality.
But since there's actual supernatural beings in Jojo and they were actually shown to have different souls, then maybe Diavolo was actually a demon. And then it makes sense why he had such a harsh punishment compared to other Jojo villans and no possible redemption ever, he's the literal devil.
@@fanaticaH wow I like that a whole lot more than mine
@@fanaticaH I mean,Diavolo means Devil in Italian so it could be possible
@@fanaticaH damn this theory is really cool, so king crimson would be the physical representation of maybe hell or something related
@@fanaticaH It also explains why he was sent to grow up with a priest
I hate how much sense it makes. We will see how it goes in Demonic Heartbreak
Serious lack of CDDH content out there
"who is known to remember every last meticulous detail of his story"
the way you said it and just moved on with your script killed me
I hope this is true just because I don’t like the idea of Joseph cheating on Suzy Q
Though if anyone wants a story that takes on the affair head on, chapter 2 part 2 of Reimi's Bizarre Adv Pink Justice might be of great interest.
It's Joseph & Tomoko confessing to Holly about the affair & talking things out while Reimi & her parents Stand by in support.
and fricking a girl who is 3 times younger than him
You missed the opportunity by not adding one of Diavolo's deaths, which would've made this theory canon
I told my brother about this theory and the first thing he said was, “So if Hol Horse is a Joestar and DIO can sense the presence of a Joestar then how come he didn’t sense a nearby Joestar and just kill him when he was about to recruit him?” So he just shattered the whole theory in half for me
He probably saw it amusing that a joestar was bending to his will and kept him for entertainment
DIO:"I hate the Joestar, I will end their entire BLOODLINE"
Theory:"HolHorse is a Joestar"
DIO:*Pokerface*
So it's "HO HO'S BIZZARE ADVENTURE " now
Josuke and Hol Horse both have blue eyes too, despite Joseph having green eyes
Shuck! You were so close but in actuality it’s Hol Horse who’s Josuke’s son! Initially during the Bites The Dust arc, Josuke was going to be sent back in time in order to chase Kira down. Leaping from decade to decade in different bodies, living entire lifetimes in a Quantum Leap - style of story telling. One of which would have brought about the birth of Hol Horse himself! But alas….Araki forgot
@@Jokin_Jake The Joke
Your head
@@chrishood7720 just jokin
@@Jokin_Jake then why did you erase your original comment?
TRUE TRUE TRUE😡😡😡😡😡😡
please be a joke.
"araki, who's known for remembering every meticulous detail of his story"
**Card on top right showing 44 things he forgot pops up instantly**
Jesus, that's...
Interesting.
Edit: Here's a theory of my own that used to be my headcanon.
Gold Experience and its ability to create life is actually a stand that harnesses the sunlight's power just like Hamon, and could even be a stand that uses Hamon.
The Babyface and Green Day fights happened at night, so I'm doubting it, but I love the idea
@@finalseko but the part 1 fight with dio was at night tho
@@CaseWater62839 Hamon repicates the Sun with life energy, so by some extension, it could be possible. I always saw Gold Experience like it got its stats from Dio and ability from JoJo blended and made unique, as most children are
Nice! There's also the fact that Hol Horse was supposed to be a member of the Stardust Crusaders.
But Tomoko saw Joseph in Jotaro and embraced him, calling him Joseph.
Very true
@@deaditalianguy7353 haha pancake
They look weirdly similar and have similar expressions
@@TheSpecialPsycho Bruh, she calls him Joseph
My totally serious theory is one that I’m not alone in, I personally believe that Kakiyoin is a Zepelli.
Why, because he has the family curse of not surviving the part?
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 remember caesar had brothers
@@claudiogarciasarmiento7487 were they ever actually shown in part 2? No? Then my point stands, a Zepelli with screen time doesn't live past their part.
they appear in a flashback from caesar.
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 yes they do
Joseph Joestar = JOJO
Hol Horse = HOHO
Makes sense.
My favorite thing about this is that it makes Blood Sun Vendetta's Jose an actual JoJo
Hol Horse is actually the guy that helped Josuke and Tomoko out of the snow.
It was Kosaku Kawajiri
@@SlashinatorZ who?
The guy who's identity was stolen by kira
@@giornogiovanna9475 oh
@@giornogiovanna9475 fr?
Still more convincing than Joseph being Josuke's father.
This reminds me so much of the Sans is Ness theory by Matpat, but unlike that theory, this is not supposed to be taken seriously. Good video!
"araki who is famous for remembering every little detail of his work"
* hyerophant green possession ability sobs intensify *
i was hesitant about the theory but you convinced me theres no other feasible explanation this must be cannon
Me: Nice theory Shuck, why don't you back it up with a source
Shuckmeister: My source is that I made it the fuck up
These are all part 8 Theories
1: The Guard-rails Run The Mafia
2: Dio saved the OG universe from an alien invasion by killing Danny (The dog)
3: Bob the Slinger is the Grandfather of Josehfumi on his mother’s side and Joseph is his father meaning that Singer Bob is a Kujo meaning in the OG universe that he is released to Jotaro. Also Bob the Slinger is flash back man who was seen in a photo, (who might have been connected to bling baby in some way).
4: Wasp Politics and Society is essential for understanding Rock Humans.
5: Toru is actually a good written character and tried to keep the rock humans together with his ability and the new rokakaka.
6: Pucci is here and he is going to bring back DIO for Part 9 (Wich I imagine is a sports anime with stands), where DIO will be a Villain.
7: The hills and walls are alive and trying to kill you.
8: Go Beyond is inharited Will from Born This Way.
Bonus Part 6 theory:
Bohemian Rap City’s only purpose was to make Mickey Mouse canon in JoJo.
Man I'm halfway through part 4 I gotta start binging so I can be up to date on this alien danny theory
This would make some sense, considering Josuke's mom seems to think Joseph is a young man, mixing him up with Jotaro.
That's pretty compelling. One thing that might be a factor or I'd just a coincidence, but isn't Crazy Diamond like a variant Star Platinum? Similar battle cry, similar punching speed and strength. Actually yea. Just coincidence since we got Dio who has a head and a body separately explaining The World and his own hermit purple.
Edit: Just noticed the eye colors too. Joseph's eyes are a hazy green, right? Josukes has deep blue ones.
Hol Horse has deep blue eyes as well.
This is a very nice theory, but
1. how can you explain Eyes of Heaven?
In a scene of the game, old Joseph meet Josuke, confirming then that he has been in Morio-Cho, and then recognising Josuke his son.
2. We know that Joestars can "feel" eachother, but Joseph and Jotaro, for example when Hol Horse take Polnareff in ostage, don't "feel" him.
Eyes of heaven is not cannon
Great theory. There is one hole I would like to poke in your theory though. Crazy Diamond's demonic heart break takes place BEFORE part 4, so if that's true why did Joseph never say anything about never sleeping with Tomoko?
My man really be thinking harder than hirohiko araki
I have a epic theory for the next theory video. I *think Dio and Johnathan look quite alike* . Are they the same person?
“Araki remembers every detail of his story” good one, mate
This is a great theory and is correct about Hol Horse being Joseph's son but in reality Hol Horse is actually Giorno's father. This explains where Giorno got the picture of Dio because in reality Hol Horse lied about his identity to Giorno's mom to be more impressive. Both Giorno and Hol Horse have blonde hair. This would also explain why Giorno is not in part 6. Unlike the son's of Dio Giorno is not drawn to Pucci because he is not a son of Dio. Furthermore Giorno's Golden Experience may be yellow and have a stand cry of muda similar to Dio not because Dio is his father but actually due to the fact Giorno developed his stand as a result of Dio's body sending out a distress signal to the joestar bloodline of heros. This is also shown with Crazy Diamond having a similar design to The World but having different colors. Another major similarity they both have is the fact their full names can't be combined to form the usual JoJo but instead form HoHo and GioGio respectively. These two are the only 2 major Joestars who share this naming abnormality. But remember this is just a part of the story that Araki forgot to mention at the time.
Giorno is way too similar in personality to Jonathan and Dio to be Hol's son. And Giorno's hair was black for most of his life.
@@mr.yellow9577 Giorno would still be related to Johnathan so it makes sense they would have similarities. However, Giorno is not very similar to Dio in the fact that Dio was very cold hearted and was shown many times to not care for the people who worked under him while Giorno cared for the other members of Passione similar to how Hol Horse was considerate towards Boingo. Another similarity is that both Hol Horse and Giorno are very charismatic, Hol Horse being able to convince woman all over the world to fall for him, and Giorno being able to convince Passione to turn against Diavolo. To an extent both characters have a similar event where they turn against the person they work for. Hol Horse considers shooting Dio but does not have the resolve to do so. Giorno on the other hand did have the resolve to stand his ground against Diavolo and defeat him showing that Hol Horse's son was able to succeed where he failed.
@@woomyboy98 still, how do you explain the hair color switch for giorno?
Hol horse is everyone's dad
@@nevomizrachi6282 That is a tough one to explain, perhaps after fully gaining control of his stand his hair color also began to change due to a psychic link with his father or alternatively going through puberty caused his hair color to lighten and turn blonde like his father's
I can never tell if these theories are genuine or not. They seem so outlandiah yet fit so well
I know they are probably joking but just in case there not, if hol horse was a jojo wouldn’t dio be able to sense it along with jotaro and Joseph…
Maybe that's why Dio thought he'd be helpful
But sensed him behind himself
I loved your video, and I'd like you to do a video about the possibility that Albus Dumbledore (and by an extent Tom Marvolo Riddle) and Junko Enoshima are the same person.
Lemme explain
- Both of them have forbidden loves (Gellert Grindelwald/Izuru Kamukura)
- Both are responsible/headmasters of a school
- Both have an influential aura, so much so that they choose their experiments to unfurl their master plans (first with Snape and Scamander/Chisa and Ryota, then with Harry / Nagito)
- Both have messed up family stories (the Ariana accident / Junko's relationship with her sister Mukuro)
- Dumbledore's Army is a group of people led by Harry Potter in order to train them against the inevitable coming of Voldemort, using magic despite the school prohibition on Year 5. Where did I hear this before? Something, something, Remnants of Despair, trained to spread Despair in the society despite the Future Foundation? Also the Remnants can also be related to Death-eaters
- Both have pets (Fanny / Monokuma) and people who love them more than themselves and would (and will) sacrifice themselves for their love (Ariana again /Mukuro, Mikan and Tsumugi)
- Both have a spiel with their pupils in the afterlife (Dumbledore with Harry, Junko with Chisa)
What do you think? Is this enough to make a video about it?
Before you ask, Yes mikan was Under the despair disease, that brainwashed her, just like she was struck by the Imperius Unforgiving Curse
probably the most crackpot jojo theory i've personally heard
Good
With this logic stitched onto my own theory about mista being another son of hol horse, That would mean not only is he josuke’s brother, but also by extension a joestar himself.
Lol, this was so convincing.... Araki could actually make this canon is he wanted to
Oh my god, I just came up with the craziest theory to man.
*but* DIO actually might have more than one son- who would've thought
This is the knowledge that The Moon Presence gives the player character that make him convert to slug in Bloodborne
This type of vid reminds me of Meti Not The Bad Guys Smaller and Bigger Avdol video. Which means I love it a lot!
I know you say it’s a joke, but this could actually be true knowing Araki
4:27 “So I want you to picture this. Joseph and Suzie Q have a child-”
No thanks…
Woah this theory blew my mind! Certainly great stuff. 🤣 Try theorizing on who Jolynes mother is next. (And why is it Aya Tsuji).
Btw One Piece theories always have been WILD, Shuck
Fun fact: Joseph never saw tomoko in Japan, which means he wouldn’t know if it was the right Japanese woman
For all we know, Joseph was with josuke’s next door neighbor and since he never saw tomoko he wouldn’t be able to confirm it
And to counter people saying that tomoko thought jotaro was Joseph
fake name?
plot twist : that was araki original plan....but he forgot
*What if* Joseph knew about josuke during the end of part 2, and so araki was just foreshadowing part 4.
I'm convinced. Araki has clearly been setting this up since part 3.
you forgot that Hol Horse hat looks like a flying saucer
i carefully analised each and every chapter of jojo's bizzare adventure and came up with a crazy theory
i know it may sound weird but what if johnatan...
was a joestar 😳
That's a bit far out, tbh
i literally couldn't tell if you were being serious or not up until the very end of this, this is so good
Glad you watched until the end. It was so hard to dead pan for that long but I had to for the parody
@@TheShuckmeister you did a great job sticking it out for so long lmao, great video!
@The Shuckmeister just double-checking something with you, but: the joestar mark on Josukes shoulder was NOT on any official Manga releases on PT4, but was added/shown in the anime adaptations afterwards, right? And then in promotional content.
Having the SCRICT point of view of only OFFICIAL b&w Manga volumes being the Canon, that joestar mark was not shown to the public in the original volumes of DiU. Am I correct?
2:10 Joseph is a person.
NO WAY. Unreal! I swore he was a airplane. ✈️
If he was an Airplane he would've died at the end of Part 2
@@CoolerMike nah he’d just get a new plane
He’s not just the plane he’s the whole air
He would have crashed himself like 7 times by part 4
There is this thing that Araki said: Avdol was suppose to disapper for a whilhe when they met Hol Horse, and the most famous western gunslinger in all of Jojo history was to become a Crusader
I can't tell if this is satire or if you actually believe this
@@toxic_shr00m Araki said that. He even made a drawing of Hol Horse with the crusaders, but he realised that it wouldn't make sense for the killer of one of the Crusaders to become one.
Now about this theory, yeah I'm not so sure, but I think it is cool.
@@aurarookie2293 I know that Hol Horse was at one point considered to join the crusaders, but Avdol was never actually meant to die there. Some people think it was a last minute change from an editor or something but Araki confirmed that Avdol was always intended to come back at some point.
The quote:
"I killed him once in India, because I'm always trying to keep readers from getting bored with the same pattern. I also wanted to add some reality to the story by having someone get sacrificed. I thought it'd be great to add in an episode where they lose a team member. I didn't intend to erase him forever, though.. But I thought it'd be too easy if he came back to life immediately, so I wanted to prepare a flashy comeback that readers would be able to accept."
@@toxic_shr00m oh, that's what you meant. I tought we were only talking about Hol Horse. What you said about Avdol is something I already knew. I learned and just wanted to exagerate a little in the comments. I misunderstood you there.
Can’t wait for people to start passing this off as canon
This is a little out there yet fits well I love your imagination to link this all ❤
I mean I don’t know how he got his stand so early, or how none of the over joestars recognised him by name nor their sense, but I do think it’s possible that it’s Joseph’s illegitimates son that unlike Josuke he wouldn’t have known about
It to help a lil josuke and hol horse both have blue eyes and joseph has green
If this theory is true… the Mexican fanfic could literally be the third alternate Josuke… I can’t believe this would make everything a lot more messy and better for the bloodline if this existed in an alternate universe.
the game theory we needed
welcome matpat 2
Didn't Hol Horse had his stand alot longer than the others hence his accuracy, and use of Emperor. Plus didn't Josuke's fever came about when Holly had hers of their stands trying to manifest, infecting the Joestars(of course Joseph, and Jotaro are mean in fighting spirit and can manifest their stands). Plus Josuke is crafty like his dad when in battles, Josuke care for his love ones, just as Joseph both just furious especially to those who think their better or mock them. Both Josuke and Joseph is seen being forgiving to their enemies at their lowest if they deserve it, Joseph to Wamuu, and Josuke to Okuyasu, death hurts them at heart too CEASER!!!!!!!!!!! to Joseph, and Shigachi death almost had Josuke in tears, Hol Horse be the type of "their loss my leave". Not saying this isn't a fun theory just Araki would've have confirmed it by now or we would see more Hol Horse in the Joestar family. But he wouldn't be the only Jojo left out Donatello, Ungalo, Rykiel, Shizuka, and Gorge II Joestar get left out often. But I do see potential of Araki writing this to be true looking back, but at the time of part 4 he stated he didn't know Jojo would go past part 3, and I guess Araki's new trilogy at the time was to use the main 3 Jojo's before and give them kids to continue the story in their ways, Josuke was easy for Joseph to come back cause his comedic plot armor, and Joseph was a bit of a swinger. Giornio to Diohnathan, and Jolyne to Jotaro.
Shiny on you crazy fan theory
Here’s a theory Gappy can summon killer Queen if he wants to do that means that he has two stands
"HoHo? You approaching me?"
This man is an absolute genius. He even goes through the work to make a female avatar just for the sake of views he's really comitted to it.
I like it.
(Great video btw.)
11:02 That's right. Tonio.
This theory imo sounds like its ACTUALY REAL . Like no joke it sounds that araki wanted the community to find this out themselves
Now we know why Hol Horse was harmed when Boingo showed him that Jotaro was going to explode
Hol Horse... HoHo. The letter J is read like H in Spanish, so it's canon. Hol Horse is a JoJo
Ok ok, hear me out, I think dandy from space dandy is the dude in joskues flashback that inspired his hairstyle, and I have more stuff for a whole crossover theory but I can’t remember it all right now so all Imma add is that the music for the space dandy op fits really well with the bloody stream vid, it’s on RUclips.
Doing Ohara dirty 😭
Nice story telling bro
Also Emperor is representing 4 as in part 4 ie Josuke.
I'm pretty sure that Pucci and Weather are brothers
The story is awesome yeah, and i think hol horse would have been a funny addition to the crusaders. But sadly the story cannot be real coz dio would have sensed his bloodline nearby
Dio would have noticed that he was a joestar and trying to make his will bend to his without a fleshbud as a form of torture because Jonathan was kinda alive as he rejected Dio twice.
speedwagon is Hol Horse's grandfather
change my mind
I have 2 really CRAZY BIZARRE therories. I think that DIO might be bisexual and Yoshikage Kira has a hand fetish. Please confirm if this is true or not.
Didn't know April had started yet. Good video
Actually hol horse did have a son but it is not josuke but it was mista from part 5
No no, it's Josuke AND Mista, brothers from different mothers.
man took the words "you think I am gonna run away" -josuke to a whole-nother lever