RUclips is amazing. I'm a middle aged woman in a middle class town, folding laundry and cooking dinner while listening to this amazing conversation. I love learning like this.
More than 15 years ago I declared myself a Sapolsky fan when I saw him for the first time in a documentary. I am a lawyer, but I have never stopped reading about science, from astronomy to biology. Robert's latest book "Behave" is the best science book I have ever read, by far. It is a privilege for someone like me, from the south of the world (Chile), from a small town, to be able to access some of Robert's classes at Stanford that were published on RUclips a few years ago. Thank you Robert Sapolsky for your work and thank you J.P for inviting him and helping spread the knowledge. Long live RUclips ;)
@@karakaspar1791 Obviously as both of them (Krauss and Sapolsky) are on the same page. Peterson won't touch free will with a 100 foot pole because it would damage his reputation and world view.
@@spellandshield yesss lol his cognitive dissonance is palpable haha I still really enjoyed watching Sapolsky run intellectual circles around Jordan with such sincerity and understanding, something only someone who has debunked free will can do. No mocking. No passive aggressive laughter. Just sincere love for the subject
Politics is very emotional it seems like, very divisive, and goes into frustrations with the inability of the mind to discern truth vs falsehood or wether some politician somewhere is lying about this or that. All not very scientific and reasoanble, and too far into the domestic arena.
@pastamane7167 yeah, that the world is under continous threat. Our scientific knowledge was faster than our primitive feelings. Many people use mobile phones and the Internet to waste time instead of learning about how it works and its relationship with the nature of the universe (our nature). The vast majority prefers to continue feeling secure about what life is and that leads them to close themselves in on their own ideals, which are then taken advantage of by politicians
I love both. Because even if I disagree to some measure, I have intentionally exposed myself to another view. My views are challenged and/or expressed differently which either changes my perspective or sharpens them.
I am a doctor from Mexico. Couldn’t imagine a few years ago that these two would talk. Amazing. Refreshing to see someone as passionate as Dr. Sapolsky in the spotlight. Looking forward to that new book!
These 2 talking is what raises my red flags of BS. Peterson is a religious fanatic, mainly because due to his cowardish personality (just look the interview with his wife, she is a rock and he is the blanket). The more a coward someone is the more they need to believe in magic and stuff out there taking care of them or not being as bad or cruel. That soils reason and logic. I left my Peterson era a few years ago when evidence increased and I matured but I'll give this one a try just to be fair with the subject. Y recuerda wey, manten la mente abierta pero no tan abierta como para que se te caiga el cerebro.
Robert is so patient - the "conversation" goes all over the place via Peterson. I eagerly await Robert's response in all of these interviews. He stays right on the topic Peterson drives to and responds with relevant content. That's the sign of a remarkably kind and intelligent person.
I agree - Sapolsky is always motivated to listen and respond kindly. Not a fan of Peterson but he made thoughtful points,this was interesting. A good listen.
A conversation is not about staying on the topic, although that is an important part of it in this context. Peterson does well playing and connecting dots with other things; that means he is thinking on the spot.
@@brianmoren3780 I'd agree with this and Peterson has confessed as much. It is a product of his 'open' and 'loose associative thinking' it can both connect dots and make novel points others aren't able to or take things off track. It works well in this conversation, because Sapolsky can follow it and add context/depth while Peterson can relate and direct connections what is produced is a dialogical masterpiece imo.
It's actually emotional for me to see these two minds come together. I have two of Sapolsky's books and I love his way of speaking. I have wanted to see them do an interview for so long.
which books do you have? I have read Behave, The Trouble with Testosterone, and im reading his newest book, Determined (100 pages to go! It’s amazing!)
The world of politics desperately needs minds like Dr. Peterson!! What he and his colleagues are doing in the world of politics just may be the thing that saves the free world!!
@@benhallo1553 I think I'll be more generous and say that Peterson just can't contain himself, and it's not about showing off or proving smartness, but rather a result of him being so engaged that it bursts forth. He always tends to speak a lot, and people often say that he should let his guests speak more. Moreover, Peterson has himself acknowledged that he has this tendency.
Love this conversation, and it went a lot better than I thought it might. I think Jordan is at his best when he's not dealing with politics or being attacked for the religious aspects of his work. He seemed genuinely interested and invested in this conversation, and when that happens, I think his guests are pleasantly surprised. Dr. Sapolsky is amazing, and if you haven't read his stuff, you should definitely check it out. Really funny and really insightful.
Sapolsky is usually very funny. I think he will regret this interview. Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
It just kept going too! Some have an apex and 2-3 “wow” moments, but this truly kept on rolling 7’s. From gambling games to baboons, to immorality, and dopamine impacts. But the game theory within other animal species really blew my mind.
@@ravenheartwraithI kept having to go back and try to understand some of it, but it’s really better to blast through. Then go back after thinking on it for a few hours. Time well spent.
I've been waiting for this for about 2 years now since Robert appeared on Andrew Huberman's podcast regarding the topic of Freewill. Been following Dr.Sapolsky and Dr.Peterson's work for years now, it's so great to to see these two together! Thank you for all the important research you two have been contributing
Unfortunately, Jordan Peterson dared not bring up the topic of free will. I was very disappointed, but I should have expected it to be this way because Jordan Peterson doesn’t have good arguments for the existence of free will.
Yeah same here. I wished Peterson would do more of this content. It’s my box in expectation for him but I believed I just see him more comfortable in academia than anywhere else. Maybe it’s my thirst for knowledge that yearns for this; and the fact that they are good speakers and can break down concepts into digestible content; even to each other on a platform such as thing.
In terms of verbal IQ, interesting research, and intellectualism, smartest guest on your podcast thus far. I've been listening to Robert over 10 years now, they guy is a power house
Wow - yes!! I totally agree. When I read ‘Behave’, I nearly cried with joy. It was every bit as good as his Stanford lectures, and perhaps more so because I had time to pause and reflect at the truly weighty observations. There’s also the bonus that it came out eight years after the lectures were published here on RUclips, so all those years meant even more research and examples. I highly recommend it 😊
So sad Sapolsky got victimized by this unethical danger to human society. Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
1:00:29 Peterson is learning, he used to interrupt during interviews, this is an example where he caught himself doing it. Hell yeah, loving it. Good job
I think that habit of dominating conversations comes from decades of classroom lecturing, where he talked and students listened. The lecturer has to keep talking and moving the topic forward or he'll lose the group. As opposed to now he is having a reciprocal conversation and sharing of ideas and concepts. I suspect he's been told a few times to share to conversation.
I've been waiting eight years for this conversation, even suggested it in an email to JP. Sapolsky's Human Behavioral Biology is epic. I hope these two have a couple of conversations. Another individual I hope JP speaks with is Gabor Mate. THANK YOU!
@@anybodyoutthere3208 He had negative words about Jordan in his new book, Rogan podcast, rebel wisdom, newest Russell brand podcast. Gabor has also stated he is a communist. I believe he is wrong about his analysis of Peterson. There are more examples, those are just a few I can think of at the moment.
What a wonderful world; a place where talent and courage enable a man like Dr. Peterson to reach an audience of millions instead of just the small numbers in his classrooms.
JP is a menace to World Peace by erudtely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
Yep, and anti- depressants do not change situations that cause stress or unhappiness. But easier or more beneficial for those in power to pretend its an " illness" ( not a biologically normal and appropriate reaction ), and drug unhappy people than change the circumstances making them unhappy.
Jordan just explained my 60/60 rule of relationships. Put 60% into your relationship (more then you expect to get out) and when you meet someone else willing to do the same thing foster those relationships because the whole will be greater than the sum of its parts. Been one of my values for as long as I can remember.
Good luck meeting that coworker, instead of a freeloader! Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
@@peripheralparadox4218that's why it's better to be with a woman who is a little worse than you (a little less attractive, intelligent, successful, etc.). It's a woman's market right now or at least they think it is until they're 35 and jaded.
@@peripheralparadox4218 if you gonna use this kind of logic for your own romantic relationship, you step on a very dangerous road. Instead of focusing on possible positive characteristics of women you want to see with you, you try to find generalization of idea that all women are not worth to be treated well. That way you implicitly, for yourself also, justify you own potential miserable actions, toward women youll try to build relationship with. But that way now its you become potentially bad partner. You have to give some risk and put some trust, there no way around.
So explain how this happened to a confirmed Skeptic! JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?" JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
Symphony with one phony. Not a one-trick phony, a loquacious one. JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
I am a Robert Sapolsky stan. I've watched many of his behavioural psychology lectures. It's his tone of voice and inflections, how he tells stories, it's hard to forget. Plus he outtalked Jordan here hehehehe. This is a 5 star episode.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
This may be one of the most important conversations on CensorTube or the internet for that matter. Thank you both for you work and coming together to unravel and reveal these great mysteries. 🙏🏾🇺🇸❤️ Gandalf the White and Radagast the Brown should have a monthly podcast. Thank you! ❤
At 43 I decided to go back to school to combine my graduate work in physiology with a doctorate in psychology. These are the top two influences in my line of reasoning. And this conversation did not disappoint
@freebird1477 in short, my thesis is personality type correlates to movement patterns and the downstream affects. In the short term linking type AB personality types to back pain. Long term want to do a full movement screen with big 5 traits
I click on Jordan's video thumbnails usually because he sparks my interests mildly but I always become enthralled by not only the topic but the conversation and the passion of the experts he interviews. I could not leave this video! I had to stay and watch and listen and be absolutely focussed with curiosity like a motivated student of life itself. A delightful conversation and so profoundly articulated at every turning point as one revelation lead to another. This was Epic!
"Epic?" Gen Z? This was a victimization of real science. JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?" JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
My God! I've dreamt of this interview for years. Two of my favorite contemporary intellectuals, not to mention, two men that have impacted my life for good.
@@MichelleLouiseDavis”I feel giddied with intellectual stimulation.” ~ R. Sapolsky at the end of the interview. You may not like Peterson or his views but to say he isn’t an intellectual is a lie. You are a mean baboon.
Your "god?" JP is a menace to World Peace by erudtely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptitiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
I've waited for many years for these two giants to meet up and have the brilliant conversation that i just watched; Seriously gentleman this was an amazing talk!👌🙏
Two of my favorite psychologists of all time! I´m about to start this conversation and I am already salivating for what's coming. Thanks Jordan and Rob!
You 2 are the reason I started paying for RUclips approximately 7 years ago (and still do). I'm a middle aged Florida Man with a history of questionable behavior. Out of desperation to improve my life and its affect on others, I went down the behavior rabbit hole on yt. It began with both of your lecture series that were available back then. I've seen each a minimum of 4 times in their entirety. And I often share them. I'm nearly 8 years into becoming an arm chair behaviorist. You've both helped me, my family, my work, and my social circle. I was ecstatic when I saw this thumbnail and yelled for my partner to come see that the conversation I've been wishing for between our 2 favorite teachers has finally happened. I had to get daily wire just for the other 30 minutes. Even though the rest of the content on there, aside from Dr. Peterson's, is meh imo. I'm looking forward to the next time you both meet. Thank you both!!
Glad you have Robert on the podcast. I liked his book Behave so much I sent him a thank you letter. What a mammoth effort that must have taken to write, and as a person without much knowledge on this topic, I found his book very readable. It was hard work, but he wrote it in a way that with some effort, the average thinking reader can understand it. He also replied to my thank you email!
I loved the footnote that "I have no f__king idea what I just wrote" or something similar! Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
In my opinion, this is the very best conversation to ever possibly evesdrop into! Two of the best minds in acedemia. Thank you both and, thanks to the channel.
A MARVELOUS conversation!!! Whether you prefer Peterson or Sapolsky, both are high level intellects, high level educations, and beautifully complementary fields of expertise. What a thought provoking social science episode!
I started watching this when it was posted, left off in the first 15 min then encountered his talk with HG Moeller posted around the same time, which was excellent. I had to then listen to this in full, Thanks for the talk.
This episode resonates with me so much. The mapping of religion and game theory on one another is such an expansive view. And the continual reset of the dopamine system resonates with my personal experience. I'm perpetually underwhelmed and that feels awful. But it is also the source of always standing up again.
I'm guessing Jordan, or his people, scheduled this talk contingent on the idea they DON'T talk about free will. For reasons that are not mysterious, lol
I really liked how they modeled listening and giving the other speaker the benefit of the doubt so they could hear the point. 2 of my 3 favorite professors! Thank you
What an engaging conversation between two amazingly smart and interesting men. It was a joy to see the change over time in Sapolsky's demeanor as the conversation progressed; initially appearing a bit reserved to being fully engaged and, as he describes it at the end - 'giddy with intellectual stimulation'. Thank you Dr. Peterson for your podcast and thank you Dr. Sapolsky for being a guest.
Robert will soon be giddy with rage... he got played. JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?" JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
Maybe in part because it was only about half way through that Peterson actually started asking questions and listening to Sapolsky's answers rather than just sharing his own ideas. It got good then 👍🏻
Not sure how to write this with precision but... OMG what an amazing conversation... these guys just fleshed out in comprehendable words that which Ive only been able to define the basic outline of in my miasmic imaginings. Like feelings made tangible. Liquid to solid. Great to see JP leaning into this with such clarity and Robert S the master, so deftly refining, enhancing and building the structures JP constructs.
It's said that you can truly feel the effort radiating off a creative work such as in books, music and arts. This conversation is the paragon manifestation of this idea.
I wished I could have had a teacher like him. What life I could have had instead im 65+ doing a hard job. Dull and boring thanks to Robert im learning stuff I was never given a doorway into learning.
I loved this podcast! I am currently going through a lot in my academic, personal, health and familly life. Was very low on positive expectations for a future in lecturing in higher education and many other aspects of life. This conversation, was such a warm intelectual conversation of reaching new grounds and stimulating a positive outlook to the world. That I need to ask, PLEASE have this gentleman as a returning guest! What a wonderfull conversation to be shared with!!
Sapolsky got me interested in biology and Peterson got me interested in psychology. I’m now in med school and no small part thanks to these two incredible individuals. I was so engaged in this conversation that I feel like I time traveled. I would love a part 2!
Search "Why isn't psychology considered a science?" JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
I am fan of both. Looking to the next conversation with all the topics that were left out. Thank you very much for this stimulating conversation. All the best to you!!!
That last half of the talk when Sapolsky spoke of his observations of the chimps is so profound. Given the disruptive elements within the Human Condition, I can only imagine what it might suppose.
Oh no way. Years ago I went through Robert Sapolski's entire video lecture set from a Stanford course and was fascinated by neurochemistry, how parasites can manipulate that chemstry in the host, all that. Perfect teacher for my learning style. Thanks Robert! You should really check out those lectures, it will take hours to go through them but I promise you will be glad you did. And here we have a convo between him and Jordan Peterson?!?!. This will be fantastic!
Peterson and Sapolsky are like yin and yang when it comes to producing political thought out of studying humans. I'm honestly surprised to see Sapolsky here. I'd like to see them challenge each other's views but I suspect it's not going to happen today. The subtext of immediately going into game theory and tit for tat is quite delectible though. I would encourage anyone who's into Peterson to watch Sapolsky's content on testosterone for example as I think it would bring balance to people's thoughts on human nature. While you're at it, just watch and read everything he's produced. He's very concise, informative and rigorous. Also funny and likable. Edit : This was a very nice watch. Mostly the end about cultural transmission of cooperation amongst baboons. The way Peterson reacted to that felt genuine, and I remember having the same type of reaction when I first heard about it, I think in one of the Stanford lectures. I'm very excited for this conversation to continue. I wonder if Peterson will have objections against the optimistic nature of this story or if it will have any consequences on his worldview. For me it did.
Yin and yang, but also have so much common ground. Maybe there IS hope after all.... Sapoksky has been critical of the current political state affecting free expression in academia.... and he's quite the lefty.. If you're honest and searching for truth, political orientation is irrelevant. Knowledge is our common ground. It must be protected above all else.
@@CanwegetSubscriberswithn-cu2itEverything matters including political orientation. It colors how people are able to acquire knowledge and will either slow or accelerate synthesizing information.
Sapolsky’s lecture series on Behavior is some of the best free content on the internet; as is Peterson’s Maps of Meaning series. I consume anything they put out. I feel lucky to live in a time where this information can be distributed to humanity so easily.
@@germanflozeIt's *such* a great resource, I hope students are using it to the full. So many world-class lectures at the touch of a button! I wish it had been available when I was at university!
WOW Robert Sapolsky awesome to listen too. You and him brought out great discussion :) . The subject matter is so hard to find on RUclips , and people talking about the subject in a clear way is even hard to find :)
I think I never heard of Robert Sapolsky. Thats a very good conversation. Thinking about authorities, how can this be applied? Suppose a neighbor, a partner, a judge, an attorney of state, a politician, a parent who wants to abduct a child from theater parent etc. They are also talking about issues that last longer than the person itself. This can already be documents that will not leave when someone leaves or dies. It's vey clear they will be very careful when they know they have to deal with you. When they know you are around for a long time. Peterson aggregates: 1:01:51 '...it doesn't matter whether you win or lose but how you play the game is because life is a sequence of NeverEnding multiple games and you're a winner if people want to play with you and if you're a little prick when you win any given game and when you if you whine and complain because you've lost even if you're an expert at that game no one's going to want to play with you...'
Dr Peterson, Dr Sapolsky, wow wow wow! Thank you so much for your enlightenment. More please! A recent interest I've had in the mythology of dragons, apparently they feature amongst the earliest myths we have, caused me to ask the question "why is that?" I speculate that the myths are an integral part of the formation of civilization in as much as a dragon might represent rage. And here is where I found this podcast especially interesting as it wound up chatting about the change in aggression of the baboon troop and the mechanisms by which it occurred. It caused me to think that one of the most important attributes of early man was that of garnishing an understanding (meaning an outside perspective) and then trying to defeat rage itself. Hence the later mythology of the knight defeating the dragon "inside himself" to win the admiration of the maiden. Because what use is a man who hasn't conquered his rage to any unified group? There doesn't seem to be an age limit to this story. One could almost say it's the central hidden theme of all the worlds religions? Rage seems to be so devastating to any group or civilization, yet we persist under it's blinding influence. I also speculate that early man may have gained an outside perspective by observing other species and specifically by observing dogs. I find it very interesting that dogs have been alongside us for so long and that they can so easily fly into rage at the drop of a hat. Our alter egos unleashed maybe . But certainly placing us in a great position to observe. Thanks again.
Watching the lectures of both professors makes me realize how lucky their students were, and are. There are only a few lecturers who can really connect with you when they tell their powerful and thoughtful anecdotes.
What I love is that these two are able to have such an amazing and productive conversation, even though the two are on essentially opposite ends of the political, religious, and other philosophical spectrums.
It is so comforting to see two intellectual's with contrary views sitting down with each other and having an intellectually stimulating conversation with each other. This gives me hope. The humam species is not screwed. I just wish they would have had a conversation about free will. I am an austrian, so my english not that good.
I'm really happy to see these two in an interview together. I've been a fan of Robert for years and have watched the vast majority of his lectures online.
The fear of psychopaths being enabled with the virtualisation of the world is strikingly well articulated starting at 28:09. Let this remind us that tech and algorithms should be shaped responsibly, preventing psychopaths from winning the "game". Bravo for this conversation!
There are so many videos of people saying many profound things about a topic, but it's rare, especially in such a short amount of time, for two people to say so many profound things about so many profound topics, especially when they're related. This is one of the most amazing conversations I've heard in a long time.
JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?" JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
I'm 39 minutes into this and it keeps making the case for raising our children properly, and how screwed we are if we let things get any worse. It's very interesting. Thanks again Dr. Peterson
It was just a matter of time for them to meet. Thanks to both of them for the lectures. I think I've learnt more from them in the last 4 years I've been watching their videos on RUclips, than what i've learned in school and college. Also professor Michael Sugrue and professor Darren Staloff are 2 of my favourite lecturers. Look them up! You'll thank me!
I found Dr. Sapolsky on a RUclips video course where he lectures on behavioral genetics. Oddly enough I was conducting research to see if I could validate some of Dr. Peterson’s ideas using well respected academic literature. It was an absolute pleasure seeing these two men speak to each other. I hope they meet again soon and discuss more ideas so we can all profit from thier shared knowledge.
Incredible conversation! I've been familiar with Dr Sapolsky for quite a few years, got into Dr Peterson in more recent years, and wow, what a fantastic collaboration of ideas it turned out to be! Thank you to the both of you!
Jordan Peterson is my idol. He is too complex and intricate, in such a good and mesmerizing and intelligent and righteous way, for my brain to even fully tie together sometimes. What an absolute blessing to humanity of all creeds and nations.
Sapolsky is so wildly interesting. I'm not a real Peterson fan (though never understand the hate he gets either), but watching such different views talk about things is just awesome. Great great interview.
I can’t get enough of this! I want more! Huge fan of Robert Sapolsky and Jordan Peterson, this is by far my favourite episode! They are simply a great combination in neuroscience! Hope to hear more from them❤ 🇿🇦
I requested this connection so long ago in the comment section of another one of your videos🎉 I was dying to hear two of my favorite people just picking each other's brains❤❤❤❤❤
These guys are extremely deep in their thinking. It seemed to me as though Jordan was testing his ideas on Sapolsky to "legitimize" them intellectually. I loved this conversation!
VERY UNPLEASANT, if you notice the embedded ad. JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?" JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
RUclips is amazing. I'm a middle aged woman in a middle class town, folding laundry and cooking dinner while listening to this amazing conversation. I love learning like this.
I know this feeling
I'm much the same but in France and I also love learning in this way
Thank goodness we can listen to people with PhDs for free with a click of a button. That's certainly an advantage of our times.
Yes❤I love it
Sitting In the toilet and listening too.
More than 15 years ago I declared myself a Sapolsky fan when I saw him for the first time in a documentary. I am a lawyer, but I have never stopped reading about science, from astronomy to biology. Robert's latest book "Behave" is the best science book I have ever read, by far. It is a privilege for someone like me, from the south of the world (Chile), from a small town, to be able to access some of Robert's classes at Stanford that were published on RUclips a few years ago. Thank you Robert Sapolsky for your work and thank you J.P for inviting him and helping spread the knowledge. Long live RUclips ;)
Behave is not his latest book, Determined is and unsurprisingly JP did not talk to him about it at all.
@@spellandshieldthe krauss interview is way better 😋
@@karakaspar1791 Obviously as both of them (Krauss and Sapolsky) are on the same page. Peterson won't touch free will with a 100 foot pole because it would damage his reputation and world view.
@@spellandshield You're right
@@spellandshield yesss lol his cognitive dissonance is palpable haha I still really enjoyed watching Sapolsky run intellectual circles around Jordan with such sincerity and understanding, something only someone who has debunked free will can do. No mocking. No passive aggressive laughter. Just sincere love for the subject
I love to hear Dr Peterson talking about evolution, psychology, and human behaviour rather than politics and politicians.
Politics is very emotional it seems like, very divisive, and goes into frustrations with the inability of the mind to discern truth vs falsehood or wether some politician somewhere is lying about this or that. All not very scientific and reasoanble, and too far into the domestic arena.
@@pastamane7167 beautifully thought and expressed.
@pastamane7167 yeah, that the world is under continous threat. Our scientific knowledge was faster than our primitive feelings. Many people use mobile phones and the Internet to waste time instead of learning about how it works and its relationship with the nature of the universe (our nature). The vast majority prefers to continue feeling secure about what life is and that leads them to close themselves in on their own ideals, which are then taken advantage of by politicians
My man is talking more than his guests, he loves his own thoughts lmao
I love both. Because even if I disagree to some measure, I have intentionally exposed myself to another view. My views are challenged and/or expressed differently which either changes my perspective or sharpens them.
I am a doctor from Mexico. Couldn’t imagine a few years ago that these two would talk. Amazing. Refreshing to see someone as passionate as Dr. Sapolsky in the spotlight. Looking forward to that new book!
These 2 talking is what raises my red flags of BS. Peterson is a religious fanatic, mainly because due to his cowardish personality (just look the interview with his wife, she is a rock and he is the blanket). The more a coward someone is the more they need to believe in magic and stuff out there taking care of them or not being as bad or cruel. That soils reason and logic.
I left my Peterson era a few years ago when evidence increased and I matured but I'll give this one a try just to be fair with the subject.
Y recuerda wey, manten la mente abierta pero no tan abierta como para que se te caiga el cerebro.
Peterson seems to be oblivious to morality in the animal kingdom. All animals have morality, people just don't pay attention to it.
Jordan Peterson needs to do more of these convos with actual scientists instead of politics. This was an objectively good conversation.
@@robinpage2730Do you not notice that Sapolsky is a very political pseudo-scientist presenting assertions backed by claims of science?
@@anneother6224 JP wasn't asking for references. Sapolsky would have given them if he had.
@@robinpage2730Maybe I'll listen to it and see if this stands up.
Robert is so patient - the "conversation" goes all over the place via Peterson. I eagerly await Robert's response in all of these interviews. He stays right on the topic Peterson drives to and responds with relevant content. That's the sign of a remarkably kind and intelligent person.
Better Robert dealt with Jordans desire to have his say. Not exactly great work by Jordan.
I agree - Sapolsky is always motivated to listen and respond kindly. Not a fan of Peterson but he made thoughtful points,this was interesting. A good listen.
A conversation is not about staying on the topic, although that is an important part of it in this context. Peterson does well playing and connecting dots with other things; that means he is thinking on the spot.
@@brianmoren3780 I'd agree with this and Peterson has confessed as much. It is a product of his 'open' and 'loose associative thinking' it can both connect dots and make novel points others aren't able to or take things off track. It works well in this conversation, because Sapolsky can follow it and add context/depth while Peterson can relate and direct connections what is produced is a dialogical masterpiece imo.
@@brianmoren3780agreed, this is how learning/theorizing works lol. When discussing philosophy, it’s just a part of the practice.
It's actually emotional for me to see these two minds come together. I have two of Sapolsky's books and I love his way of speaking. I have wanted to see them do an interview for so long.
So crazy - I have thought the same thing for a while now!
which books do you have? I have read Behave, The Trouble with Testosterone, and im reading his newest book, Determined (100 pages to go! It’s amazing!)
The world of politics desperately needs minds like Dr. Peterson!! What he and his colleagues are doing in the world of politics just may be the thing that saves the free world!!
Me too!@@karenfitchmclean796
listen to chomsky buddy you will end up lost if you listen to these pair.
Given how loquacious these two are, I’m very grateful that they were able to give each other space to equally express their ideas. Excellent convo.
Loquacious, not verbose. 👍
Their loquaciousness canceled each other out haha
I think Peterson kept trying to beat him to the point tho to prove his smartness. When ultimately if sapolsky is the guest you should let him speak
@@benhallo1553 I think I'll be more generous and say that Peterson just can't contain himself, and it's not about showing off or proving smartness, but rather a result of him being so engaged that it bursts forth. He always tends to speak a lot, and people often say that he should let his guests speak more. Moreover, Peterson has himself acknowledged that he has this tendency.
@@careyjamesmajeski3203
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It's a real stress reliever watching two human beings of such intellect being in happy agreement on these deep topics
Love this conversation, and it went a lot better than I thought it might. I think Jordan is at his best when he's not dealing with politics or being attacked for the religious aspects of his work. He seemed genuinely interested and invested in this conversation, and when that happens, I think his guests are pleasantly surprised. Dr. Sapolsky is amazing, and if you haven't read his stuff, you should definitely check it out. Really funny and really insightful.
I agree with this, these are my favorite Peterson podcasts, even if I can't understand half of it, more to learn from multiple listens.
Love these guys!!
Sapolsky is usually very funny. I think he will regret this interview.
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
It just kept going too! Some have an apex and 2-3 “wow” moments, but this truly kept on rolling 7’s. From gambling games to baboons, to immorality, and dopamine impacts. But the game theory within other animal species really blew my mind.
@@ravenheartwraithI kept having to go back and try to understand some of it, but it’s really better to blast through. Then go back after thinking on it for a few hours. Time well spent.
I've been waiting for this for about 2 years now since Robert appeared on Andrew Huberman's podcast regarding the topic of Freewill. Been following Dr.Sapolsky and Dr.Peterson's work for years now, it's so great to to see these two together! Thank you for all the important research you two have been contributing
YES SAME
I didn't know he'd been on the andrew huberman podcast, now I gotta go watch that too.
robert has been doing several interviews lately, promoting his books, i recommend them all, as the different interviewers ask different questions!
Unfortunately, Jordan Peterson dared not bring up the topic of free will.
I was very disappointed, but I should have expected it to be this way because Jordan Peterson doesn’t have good arguments for the existence of free will.
Thanks for sharing!
I like interviews much more when they are not about politics...
So captivating and interesting conversation, thank you!
It is about politics in the sense that it influences u to vote certan way whiich is ofcourse no problem as long as it is true
@@MrMajsterixxjust because you can politicize everything doesn't mean everything is political
@@MrMajsterixxyou can boil down everything to politics (which is just about human interactions), doesn't mean that the core of the topic is politics.
just left the chat lol
Yeah same here. I wished Peterson would do more of this content. It’s my box in expectation for him but I believed I just see him more comfortable in academia than anywhere else.
Maybe it’s my thirst for knowledge that yearns for this; and the fact that they are good speakers and can break down concepts into digestible content; even to each other on a platform such as thing.
In terms of verbal IQ, interesting research, and intellectualism, smartest guest on your podcast thus far. I've been listening to Robert over 10 years now, they guy is a power house
Idk man, he did have the duck dynasty folks on, so Sapolsky is probably #2
Wow - yes!! I totally agree. When I read ‘Behave’, I nearly cried with joy. It was every bit as good as his Stanford lectures, and perhaps more so because I had time to pause and reflect at the truly weighty observations. There’s also the bonus that it came out eight years after the lectures were published here on RUclips, so all those years meant even more research and examples. I highly recommend it 😊
So sad Sapolsky got victimized by this unethical danger to human society.
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
1:00:29 Peterson is learning, he used to interrupt during interviews, this is an example where he caught himself doing it. Hell yeah, loving it. Good job
Exactly my reaction too! :)
I think that habit of dominating conversations comes from decades of classroom lecturing, where he talked and students listened. The lecturer has to keep talking and moving the topic forward or he'll lose the group. As opposed to now he is having a reciprocal conversation and sharing of ideas and concepts. I suspect he's been told a few times to share to conversation.
It's because rob is a real scholar that is respected across disciplines and fields, where JP is not.
@@andyrix54 Conservative upbringing.....
Peterson expressed serious respect thru that gesture - Really enjoyed this convo. So very fruitful
@@andyrix54 Sapolsky is also a veteran lecturer but I never saw him interrupting in such a rude manner
I've been waiting eight years for this conversation, even suggested it in an email to JP. Sapolsky's Human Behavioral Biology is epic. I hope these two have a couple of conversations. Another individual I hope JP speaks with is Gabor Mate. THANK YOU!
Yeah, I think that would be good too. Obviously Mate is no fan of Peterson which is too bad.
Would love to see Gabor as well. I think they would have a great convo on child psychology.
@@AFringedGentianwhy is this ?
@@guitardeezwhy is that
@@anybodyoutthere3208 He had negative words about Jordan in his new book, Rogan podcast, rebel wisdom, newest Russell brand podcast. Gabor has also stated he is a communist.
I believe he is wrong about his analysis of Peterson. There are more examples, those are just a few I can think of at the moment.
Robert Sapolsky is such a great teacher. I've watched many of his lectures.
I feel depressed whenever I try to watch his lectures.
I wish there were more of his lectures! We need more of Sapolsky talking.
Dr. Sapolsky’s Stanford lectures (which are available on RUclips) are absolutely excellent.
Surprised Jp was able to book him. Old man winter is quite buisy this time of the year 😀
@mattmatt6572 sorry, why is he busy?
What a wonderful world; a place where talent and courage enable a man like Dr. Peterson to reach an audience of millions instead of just the small numbers in his classrooms.
For now. Canada government might shut him down after this month😢😢😢😢
JP is a menace to World Peace by erudtely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide.
Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
Sapolsky has a lecture on how stress can produce long-term depression on humans. It's one of the best I have ever seen.
Yep, and anti- depressants do not change situations that cause stress or unhappiness. But easier or more beneficial for those in power to pretend its an " illness" ( not a biologically normal and appropriate reaction ), and drug unhappy people than change the circumstances making them unhappy.
No escape through? Determined?
Thank you for this convo, Sapolski is a IMMENSE mind like yourself Dr, thanks to both of you and for it being FREE!!!!!!!!!!
Jordan just explained my 60/60 rule of relationships. Put 60% into your relationship (more then you expect to get out) and when you meet someone else willing to do the same thing foster those relationships because the whole will be greater than the sum of its parts. Been one of my values for as long as I can remember.
Good luck meeting that coworker, instead of a freeloader!
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
Most women will get more out of the relationship than the man, and most women will invest less than the man. That’s how the equation really plays out.
Interesting. Screencapped
@@peripheralparadox4218that's why it's better to be with a woman who is a little worse than you (a little less attractive, intelligent, successful, etc.). It's a woman's market right now or at least they think it is until they're 35 and jaded.
@@peripheralparadox4218 if you gonna use this kind of logic for your own romantic relationship, you step on a very dangerous road. Instead of focusing on possible positive characteristics of women you want to see with you, you try to find generalization of idea that all women are not worth to be treated well. That way you implicitly, for yourself also, justify you own potential miserable actions, toward women youll try to build relationship with. But that way now its you become potentially bad partner. You have to give some risk and put some trust, there no way around.
I saw Mr. Sapolsky on the Skeptic show the other day and I learned so much about life that I had been wondering about, wow!
So explain how this happened to a confirmed Skeptic!
JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?"
JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide.
Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
Hey, I never comment here, but this was amongst the best podcasts I've ever heard. Jordan and Robert are playing a symphony of thoughts together.
Symphony with one phony. Not a one-trick phony, a loquacious one.
JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide.
Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
Well said
I am a Robert Sapolsky stan. I've watched many of his behavioural psychology lectures. It's his tone of voice and inflections, how he tells stories, it's hard to forget. Plus he outtalked Jordan here hehehehe. This is a 5 star episode.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
He must be good because he got a huge audience clamouring for the genocoding of alpha males.
I wish this podcast was 5 hours long; so much great information.
I wish with all my might that Peterson and Sapolsky become best of friends and have these kinds of discussions over coffee 3x per week
This may be one of the most important conversations on CensorTube or the internet for that matter. Thank you both for you work and coming together to unravel and reveal these great mysteries. 🙏🏾🇺🇸❤️
Gandalf the White and Radagast the Brown should have a monthly podcast. Thank you! ❤
At 43 I decided to go back to school to combine my graduate work in physiology with a doctorate in psychology. These are the top two influences in my line of reasoning. And this conversation did not disappoint
Philosophy?
@freebird1477 in short, my thesis is personality type correlates to movement patterns and the downstream affects. In the short term linking type AB personality types to back pain. Long term want to do a full movement screen with big 5 traits
@@samuelcyr4524that sounds fascinating, i'm intrigued.
I was disappointed that Dr. Peterson refrained from talking about the lack of free will with Dr. Sapolsky.
Ever done an extended meditation retreat ?
Episode 390 with Robert Sapolsky is in my “Top 5” best episodes of the Jordan Peterson podcasts.
This is the conversation we’ve all been waiting for!
I click on Jordan's video thumbnails usually because he sparks my interests mildly but I always become enthralled by not only the topic but the conversation and the passion of the experts he interviews. I could not leave this video! I had to stay and watch and listen and be absolutely focussed with curiosity like a motivated student of life itself. A delightful conversation and so profoundly articulated at every turning point as one revelation lead to another. This was Epic!
"Epic?" Gen Z?
This was a victimization of real science.
JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?"
JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide.
Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
My God! I've dreamt of this interview for years. Two of my favorite contemporary intellectuals, not to mention, two men that have impacted my life for good.
@@MichelleLouiseDavis”I feel giddied with intellectual stimulation.” ~ R. Sapolsky at the end of the interview.
You may not like Peterson or his views but to say he isn’t an intellectual is a lie. You are a mean baboon.
Your "god?"
JP is a menace to World Peace by erudtely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide.
Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptitiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
I've waited for many years for these two giants to meet up and have the brilliant conversation that i just watched; Seriously gentleman this was an amazing talk!👌🙏
Two of my favorite psychologists of all time! I´m about to start this conversation and I am already salivating for what's coming. Thanks Jordan and Rob!
@@MichelleLouiseDavis Thank you human correcting tool
You 2 are the reason I started paying for RUclips approximately 7 years ago (and still do).
I'm a middle aged Florida Man with a history of questionable behavior. Out of desperation to improve my life and its affect on others, I went down the behavior rabbit hole on yt.
It began with both of your lecture series that were available back then. I've seen each a minimum of 4 times in their entirety. And I often share them. I'm nearly 8 years into becoming an arm chair behaviorist.
You've both helped me, my family, my work, and my social circle. I was ecstatic when I saw this thumbnail and yelled for my partner to come see that the conversation I've been wishing for between our 2 favorite teachers has finally happened. I had to get daily wire just for the other 30 minutes. Even though the rest of the content on there, aside from Dr. Peterson's, is meh imo.
I'm looking forward to the next time you both meet. Thank you both!!
Wow, i've always watched Dr. Sapolsky lectures here in YT, and now we've got another lesson for free. Thank you.!!
Jordan is lovely when he doesn't bend to fit a political narrative. Sapolsky is another gem, who has grown so much in recent years...
Thank you so much for having this conversation with Robert.
Glad you have Robert on the podcast. I liked his book Behave so much I sent him a thank you letter. What a mammoth effort that must have taken to write, and as a person without much knowledge on this topic, I found his book very readable. It was hard work, but he wrote it in a way that with some effort, the average thinking reader can understand it. He also replied to my thank you email!
That is so cool
I loved the footnote that "I have no f__king idea what I just wrote" or something similar!
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
Very nice to see Robert on Lawrence Krauss podcast last week, and now listen to him talk to the great Dr. Peterson. Very informative.
In my opinion, this is the very best conversation to ever possibly evesdrop into! Two of the best minds in acedemia. Thank you both and, thanks to the channel.
390 conversations in just this series alone. Incredible thoughts and effort all around.
I am very grateful for this conversation. I loved Sapolsky's Standford lectures.
Robert's got some good lectures on RUclips. Highly recommend checking it out.
He has some great videos on P0rnhub as well
Why did the guest get giddy when talking about manipulation of bats to induce starvation?
His lecturers on the Stanford channel are awesome .. somewhat dated but still well worth a watch .
@@jeremybrimmer1990Because the insight the research yielded is significant, and he is a giddy data dopamine junkie.
@@willmercury "significant"
A MARVELOUS conversation!!! Whether you prefer Peterson or Sapolsky, both are high level intellects, high level educations, and beautifully complementary fields of expertise. What a thought provoking social science episode!
I started watching this when it was posted, left off in the first 15 min then encountered his talk with HG Moeller posted around the same time, which was excellent. I had to then listen to this in full, Thanks for the talk.
This episode resonates with me so much. The mapping of religion and game theory on one another is such an expansive view. And the continual reset of the dopamine system resonates with my personal experience. I'm perpetually underwhelmed and that feels awful. But it is also the source of always standing up again.
It's a real privilege to listen to both minds talking to each other. I would love to see these two guys discussing free will.
I'm guessing Jordan, or his people, scheduled this talk contingent on the idea they DON'T talk about free will. For reasons that are not mysterious, lol
This was my absolute dream podcast! Both of these men changed my life! ❤
I really liked how they modeled listening and giving the other speaker the benefit of the doubt so they could hear the point. 2 of my 3 favorite professors! Thank you
I never imagined seeing these two together, what a treat! ❤
What an engaging conversation between two amazingly smart and interesting men. It was a joy to see the change over time in Sapolsky's demeanor as the conversation progressed; initially appearing a bit reserved to being fully engaged and, as he describes it at the end - 'giddy with intellectual stimulation'. Thank you Dr. Peterson for your podcast and thank you Dr. Sapolsky for being a guest.
Robert will soon be giddy with rage... he got played.
JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?"
JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide.
Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
I fear that is weariness due to Jordan's (undeserved) reputation.
Maybe in part because it was only about half way through that Peterson actually started asking questions and listening to Sapolsky's answers rather than just sharing his own ideas. It got good then 👍🏻
Not sure how to write this with precision but... OMG what an amazing conversation... these guys just fleshed out in comprehendable words that which Ive only been able to define the basic outline of in my miasmic imaginings. Like feelings made tangible. Liquid to solid. Great to see JP leaning into this with such clarity and Robert S the master, so deftly refining, enhancing and building the structures JP constructs.
Like the satisfaction of clicking puzzle pieces together
It's said that you can truly feel the effort radiating off a creative work such as in books, music and arts.
This conversation is the paragon manifestation of this idea.
I wished I could have had a teacher like him. What life I could have had instead im 65+ doing a hard job. Dull and boring thanks to Robert im learning stuff I was never given a doorway into learning.
I loved this podcast!
I am currently going through a lot in my academic, personal, health and familly life. Was very low on positive expectations for a future in lecturing in higher education and many other aspects of life. This conversation, was such a warm intelectual conversation of reaching new grounds and stimulating a positive outlook to the world. That I need to ask, PLEASE have this gentleman as a returning guest! What a wonderfull conversation to be shared with!!
Sapolsky got me interested in biology and Peterson got me interested in psychology. I’m now in med school and no small part thanks to these two incredible individuals. I was so engaged in this conversation that I feel like I time traveled. I would love a part 2!
Search "Why isn't psychology considered a science?"
JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide.
Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
I am fan of both. Looking to the next conversation with all the topics that were left out. Thank you very much for this stimulating conversation. All the best to you!!!
That last half of the talk when Sapolsky spoke of his observations of the chimps is so profound. Given the disruptive elements within the Human Condition, I can only imagine what it might suppose.
Oh no way. Years ago I went through Robert Sapolski's entire video lecture set from a Stanford course and was fascinated by neurochemistry, how parasites can manipulate that chemstry in the host, all that. Perfect teacher for my learning style. Thanks Robert! You should really check out those lectures, it will take hours to go through them but I promise you will be glad you did. And here we have a convo between him and Jordan Peterson?!?!. This will be fantastic!
Peterson and Sapolsky are like yin and yang when it comes to producing political thought out of studying humans.
I'm honestly surprised to see Sapolsky here.
I'd like to see them challenge each other's views but I suspect it's not going to happen today.
The subtext of immediately going into game theory and tit for tat is quite delectible though.
I would encourage anyone who's into Peterson to watch Sapolsky's content on testosterone for example as I think it would bring balance to people's thoughts on human nature. While you're at it, just watch and read everything he's produced. He's very concise, informative and rigorous. Also funny and likable.
Edit : This was a very nice watch. Mostly the end about cultural transmission of cooperation amongst baboons. The way Peterson reacted to that felt genuine, and I remember having the same type of reaction when I first heard about it, I think in one of the Stanford lectures. I'm very excited for this conversation to continue. I wonder if Peterson will have objections against the optimistic nature of this story or if it will have any consequences on his worldview. For me it did.
Totally. It would be fascinating to have them discuss the newly emerged woke culture and compare them to other cultures.
I’ve never heard him.
Yin and yang, but also have so much common ground. Maybe there IS hope after all....
Sapoksky has been critical of the current political state affecting free expression in academia.... and he's quite the lefty..
If you're honest and searching for truth, political orientation is irrelevant. Knowledge is our common ground. It must be protected above all else.
@@CanwegetSubscriberswithn-cu2itEverything matters including political orientation. It colors how people are able to acquire knowledge and will either slow or accelerate synthesizing information.
Sapolsky’s lecture series on Behavior is some of the best free content on the internet; as is Peterson’s Maps of Meaning series. I consume anything they put out. I feel lucky to live in a time where this information can be distributed to humanity so easily.
Watched some of Robert's lectures a while back. He is incredibly funny and engaging
Me too! It's amazing how many good lectures are available online including Robert's and JBP's.
@@germanflozeIt's *such* a great resource, I hope students are using it to the full. So many world-class lectures at the touch of a button! I wish it had been available when I was at university!
His books, Monkey Luv and Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers are absolutely fantastic reads. Highly recommend.
I love Sapolskys lectures. These two talking to each other is one of the best things that can possibly happen👍
WOW Robert Sapolsky awesome to listen too. You and him brought out great discussion :) . The subject matter is so hard to find on RUclips , and people talking about the subject in a clear way is even hard to find :)
I think I never heard of Robert Sapolsky. Thats a very good conversation.
Thinking about authorities, how can this be applied?
Suppose a neighbor, a partner, a judge, an attorney of state, a politician, a parent who wants to abduct a child from theater parent etc. They are also talking about issues that last longer than the person itself. This can already be documents that will not leave when someone leaves or dies.
It's vey clear they will be very careful when they know they have to deal with you. When they know you are around for a long time.
Peterson aggregates:
1:01:51
'...it doesn't matter whether you win or lose but how you play the game is because life is a sequence of NeverEnding
multiple games and you're a winner if people want to play with you and if you're a little prick when you win any
given game and when you if you whine and complain because you've lost even if you're an expert at that game no one's going to want to play with you...'
Dr Peterson, Dr Sapolsky, wow wow wow! Thank you so much for your enlightenment. More please! A recent interest I've had in the mythology of dragons, apparently they feature amongst the earliest myths we have, caused me to ask the question "why is that?" I speculate that the myths are an integral part of the formation of civilization in as much as a dragon might represent rage. And here is where I found this podcast especially interesting as it wound up chatting about the change in aggression of the baboon troop and the mechanisms by which it occurred. It caused me to think that one of the most important attributes of early man was that of garnishing an understanding (meaning an outside perspective) and then trying to defeat rage itself. Hence the later mythology of the knight defeating the dragon "inside himself" to win the admiration of the maiden. Because what use is a man who hasn't conquered his rage to any unified group? There doesn't seem to be an age limit to this story. One could almost say it's the central hidden theme of all the worlds religions? Rage seems to be so devastating to any group or civilization, yet we persist under it's blinding influence. I also speculate that early man may have gained an outside perspective by observing other species and specifically by observing dogs. I find it very interesting that dogs have been alongside us for so long and that they can so easily fly into rage at the drop of a hat. Our alter egos unleashed maybe . But certainly placing us in a great position to observe. Thanks again.
Watching the lectures of both professors makes me realize how lucky their students were, and are. There are only a few lecturers who can really connect with you when they tell their powerful and thoughtful anecdotes.
Finally you guys meet up! I was woundering what JP had to say about Sapolsky's book Behave!
What I love is that these two are able to have such an amazing and productive conversation, even though the two are on essentially opposite ends of the political, religious, and other philosophical spectrums.
It is so comforting to see two intellectual's with contrary views sitting down with each other and having an intellectually stimulating conversation with each other. This gives me hope. The humam species is not screwed. I just wish they would have had a conversation about free will. I am an austrian, so my english not that good.
For some reason I was expecting this to be more of a debate, like JP's chats with Sam Harris. What a warm and friendly surprise.
I'm really happy to see these two in an interview together. I've been a fan of Robert for years and have watched the vast majority of his lectures online.
The fear of psychopaths being enabled with the virtualisation of the world is strikingly well articulated starting at 28:09. Let this remind us that tech and algorithms should be shaped responsibly, preventing psychopaths from winning the "game". Bravo for this conversation!
There are so many videos of people saying many profound things about a topic, but it's rare, especially in such a short amount of time, for two people to say so many profound things about so many profound topics, especially when they're related. This is one of the most amazing conversations I've heard in a long time.
Saw Jordan yesterday in Amsterdam, now this talk is what I need after that spectacular night. Sapolsky humor and knowledge are amazing.
JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?"
JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide.
Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.
Robert Sapolsky is a treasure
I'm 39 minutes into this and it keeps making the case for raising our children properly, and how screwed we are if we let things get any worse. It's very interesting. Thanks again Dr. Peterson
It was just a matter of time for them to meet. Thanks to both of them for the lectures. I think I've learnt more from them in the last 4 years I've been watching their videos on RUclips, than what i've learned in school and college. Also professor Michael Sugrue and professor Darren Staloff are 2 of my favourite lecturers. Look them up! You'll thank me!
This has to be one of Dr Peterson’s top 20 discussions. Probably 500 real candidates with that potential, however this one was so fascinating.
Thank you gentlemen for this incredibly interesting conversation. Will switch to the DW content now. All the best Mr Sapolsky
Standing ovation…..more please ….much more .I had a wonderful time listening to you both.Thank you.
Two of my fav professors 😢 I definitely felt the dopamine rush in the anticipation of watching it.
Such a great conversation. Two great minds. Thank you JP and Robert Sapolsky 🙌🏻
I found Dr. Sapolsky on a RUclips video course where he lectures on behavioral genetics. Oddly enough I was conducting research to see if I could validate some of Dr. Peterson’s ideas using well respected academic literature. It was an absolute pleasure seeing these two men speak to each other. I hope they meet again soon and discuss more ideas so we can all profit from thier shared knowledge.
Incredible conversation! I've been familiar with Dr Sapolsky for quite a few years, got into Dr Peterson in more recent years, and wow, what a fantastic collaboration of ideas it turned out to be! Thank you to the both of you!
loved it, would watch as many conversations between these two as they decide to make
This is amazing. Multiple puzzle pieces that answer multiple aspects I have been searching for. Absolutely brilliant work. Thankyou
Same here. Absolutely revelatory.
Great podcast, enjoyed the interview with Robert Sapolsky.
Jordan Peterson is my idol. He is too complex and intricate, in such a good and mesmerizing and intelligent and righteous way, for my brain to even fully tie together sometimes. What an absolute blessing to humanity of all creeds and nations.
I so enjoyed listening to this. Two of my favorite intellectuals speaking. So hoping that there will be a second sit down.
Sapolsky is so wildly interesting. I'm not a real Peterson fan (though never understand the hate he gets either), but watching such different views talk about things is just awesome. Great great interview.
Always glad to listen to a great conversation!
Can't believe Sapolsky got me to watch a Peterson video. I'll be back when Sapolsky is.
I’m right there with you.
Same here. Peterson can't get out of his own way.
I can’t get enough of this! I want more! Huge fan of Robert Sapolsky and Jordan Peterson, this is by far my favourite episode! They are simply a great combination in neuroscience! Hope to hear more from them❤ 🇿🇦
I requested this connection so long ago in the comment section of another one of your videos🎉 I was dying to hear two of my favorite people just picking each other's brains❤❤❤❤❤
This was one of my favorite podcast i'm so happy you two finally got in touch ive been waited for it and it did not dissapoint, more por favor ^.^
These guys are extremely deep in their thinking. It seemed to me as though Jordan was testing his ideas on Sapolsky to "legitimize" them intellectually. I loved this conversation!
I’ve been waiting years for this collab 🎉
I desperately need a follow up interview between the two of you, interesting is a massive understatement!
Amazing conversation!! Must listen!! Timely, significant, and captivating. Listened to three times so far, such a fruitful talk!!
Wow no way Sapolsky is on JP podcast 😮 wasn’t expecting this. What a pleasant surprise!
VERY UNPLEASANT, if you notice the embedded ad.
JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?"
JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide.
Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮
Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢
Sapolsky has no Free Will.
His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.