Quetz takes the cake for sure. Large Azdarchids were apex predators, no other flying animal even comes close to their size, Quetzalcoatlus was over 3 times the weight of Argentavis. Its beak was the size of Argentavis’ whole body!
Although you make very good points on how Quetzalcoatlus would win this battle. ( which it would) Large Azdarchids ( with the exception of Hatzegopteryx) were not apex predators as they coexisted with large theropods , like Tyrannosaurus and others.
@@alexanderclass1244 depends on how you define ”Apex Predator”. Hatzegopteryx is of course the most obvious one since it had no natural predators. But if you think of a Great White Shark for example, they’re not at the top of the food chain. Even adults are hunted and killed by Orcas. Great Whites are still considered apex predators. A Quetzalcoatlus may have been hunted by T-Rex, but does that mean it isn’t an apex predator? Because they could probably prey on any other pterosaurs in their environment and most small dinosaurs. If you were ranking top North American predators during the maastrichtian, Quetzalcoatlus would be uo there near the top, with very few natural predators. I’m not even aware of any fossil evidence they were predated upon. We know however that they were not preferred prey items for T-Rex, as they were too skinny. T-Rex could gulf down Quetzalcoatlus’ bodyweight in meat in 3 gulps. No, they preferred much larger, meatier prey. Even then, it’s unclear how effective they would be at hunting flying animals with their massive bulk. And Quetz could fight back, their 2 meter long beaks could take a T-Rex’s eye out, which is appropos considering Quetzalcoatlus literally stood taller than T-Rex by a significant margin. A brood of juvenile T-Rex would make a welcome snack to Quetzalcoatlus too. I’m actually unsure on balance and totality which hunted the other more. But at any rate, I feel very comfortable calling Quetzalcoatlus an apex predator. The term itself is pretty nebulous and in practice tends to simply refer to animals that are at very high trophic levels, meaning few animals prey on them. In fact the wikipedia page of ”trophic levels” says that apex predators may occupy levels 4 to 5 of the trophic level, and being at 4 means some predators at level 5 prey on you. It’s not just as simple and straightforward as ”no natural predators. Because that’s scientifically impossible, all young animals are preyed upon by other animals, old and sick and wounded animals are preyed upon by animals that they would otherwise prey on. Hyenas prey on Lions and Lions prey on Hyenas. Nile Crocodiles and Lions prey on each other. Does Africa not have apex predators? I take Apex Predator to mean a predator that sits at the highest trophic levels, few animals eat them and they’re basically at the top of the food chain. It doesn’t mean that you hunt everything and nothing hunts you.
@@The_Story_Of_Us Oh , that's what you meant by classifying Azdarchids as apexes . That actually makes a lot more sense now that your saying it that what I was thinking. Thanks for clearing things up.
But argentavis have feathers to protect its wings, one little slash on the Quetzel's membrane wing would significantly hinder or even disable its flight capabilities. Argentavis can still fly even if it lost a few flight feathers. And i have to believe that the actual bird is more agile than a flying reptile.
agree with the verdict. the size difference is too much. on a land fight argentavis is literally dwarfed by quetz and the latter can probably finish the bird with a single peck. a dog fight in the air is a more equal scenario due to argentavis' superior agility but i still think that the giant azdarchid takes this due to its size and weaponry. a more equal fight would've been argentavis vs quetzalcoatlus lawsoni
I agree with the final verdict. I personally think that a more even match would be Argentavis vs Pteranodon or Tropeognathus, but I digress. I think another good bird for another bird vs pterosaur matchup would be Haast Eagle. It’s not nearly as big as Argentavis, but was still a powerful predator that would be a good matchup for a similarly sized pterosaur.
I don't think some people grasp just HOW BIG these 2 were. Imagine it's late at night, you're on the way home, and one of these is just chilling in your driveway. It's their driveway now. Great video as always pal.
I’d say quetz takes it. Argent didn’t have the agility to make up for its smaller size and is severely out gunned. Plus quetzal probably had more stamina to boot.
Teratorns were not well suited to preying on animals as large as themselves, let alone larger. They probably didn't hunt and kill anything larger than their own heads. There's nothing it can do against a pterosaur the size of a grizzly bear that could stab it with a pointy beak or maybe even pummel it with its wings.
Quetz was built to island hop and hunt on the ground, argentavis was built to be able to commute effectively but not to hunt on the ground. Quetz easily wins both categories
You are not entirely wrong that hatz vs quetz would be closer. However, I also like to do interesting match ups not covered. Always thought that the argi was an underrated and interesting bird to have in a debate.
Now that is an interesting debate. On a surface level view; It’s certainly difficult, as the giant anteaters claws can take out jaguars with ease if landed. However, as sloth bears heavier and take on larger cats (bengal tiger) and are far more aggressive because of it. I think I’d give it the win. Again though, that is a surface level opinion, these debates are always highly complex.
@@TheOverseerDebates i honestly think anteaters would win. The bear may be heavier but i've seen anteaters surviving jaguar bites so it def gets durability and maybe better striking strenght and it's also faster. The bear also has never fought something like an anteater, while the bear is fairly simular to the jaguar. I think anteater makes up with it's durability and claws wich could tear the bear open. I think it wins on high diff, i think the anteater wins 66/34 of the time because of it's powerful weapons and it's also faster, meaning it's claws would probably hit the bear most of the times since it can react to jaguars. I may be wrong but that's just my opinion
I simply think the bear dosen't have the agility or the strenght to put an anteater down for good. Sure it can ragdoll it but 1 swipe and the bear will see it's guts
Just because its mouth is bigger doesn't mean those lil' birdie arms will never be touched. Argentavis possesses raptorial claws nonetheless and could deal some damage to the pterosaur's wings, if not, its neck. And that's something you enthusiast do not seem to assess into the equation--how intelligent is Argentavis, were they group hunters, and what would its durability be against an opponent? I mean, a Hawk can do some nasty damage on a wolf but still prefers to ambush it.
@@denistyrant That would also pur the pterosaur in a dangerous position too. This analysis doesn't guarantee how fast or agile these animals were in flight.
@@denistyrant But no way of countering if it misses its strike. _Argentavis_ has talons and a beak that'll deal in serious damage, Quetzalcoatlus' weapon is just its mouth.
@@TheMightyN It’s skull is still almost the entire body length of Argentavis, the overall height advantage is still going to make it more difficult for Argentavis to land lethal than vice versa
WOULD IT KILL YOU TO BREATH AND SLOW DOWN WHEN YOU SPEAK? I can't figure out why so many youtubers do this! You think we will lose interest if you breath between sentences ? I got a headache listening to what otherwise would have been an excellent video!
I agree but don’t at the same time. It’s like the Spino and rex argument. Spino is technically bigger lengthwise, height wise, but rex is bulkier and weighs more. It’s the exact same situation here. So I think of Quetz as the biggest, Hatz as the strongest. Same with Rex and spino.
@Aperson84782 size depends more on mass, rather than height or length. Therefore, Hatzegopteryx would be the larger one. Also, Arambougiania Philadelphiae was (I believe) a bit taller than Quetzalcoatlus Northropi
@@HatzegopteryxThambema he legit has supernatural powers (which is crazy as this show was slightly realistic in the start) getting punched by him is legit as deadly as an entire plane falling on you 😭
Quetz takes the cake for sure. Large Azdarchids were apex predators, no other flying animal even comes close to their size, Quetzalcoatlus was over 3 times the weight of Argentavis. Its beak was the size of Argentavis’ whole body!
Although you make very good points on how Quetzalcoatlus would win this battle. ( which it would) Large Azdarchids ( with the exception of Hatzegopteryx) were not apex predators as they coexisted with large theropods , like Tyrannosaurus and others.
@@alexanderclass1244 depends on how you define ”Apex Predator”. Hatzegopteryx is of course the most obvious one since it had no natural predators.
But if you think of a Great White Shark for example, they’re not at the top of the food chain. Even adults are hunted and killed by Orcas. Great Whites are still considered apex predators.
A Quetzalcoatlus may have been hunted by T-Rex, but does that mean it isn’t an apex predator? Because they could probably prey on any other pterosaurs in their environment and most small dinosaurs. If you were ranking top North American predators during the maastrichtian, Quetzalcoatlus would be uo there near the top, with very few natural predators. I’m not even aware of any fossil evidence they were predated upon. We know however that they were not preferred prey items for T-Rex, as they were too skinny. T-Rex could gulf down Quetzalcoatlus’ bodyweight in meat in 3 gulps. No, they preferred much larger, meatier prey. Even then, it’s unclear how effective they would be at hunting flying animals with their massive bulk. And Quetz could fight back, their 2 meter long beaks could take a T-Rex’s eye out, which is appropos considering Quetzalcoatlus literally stood taller than T-Rex by a significant margin. A brood of juvenile T-Rex would make a welcome snack to Quetzalcoatlus too. I’m actually unsure on balance and totality which hunted the other more.
But at any rate, I feel very comfortable calling Quetzalcoatlus an apex predator. The term itself is pretty nebulous and in practice tends to simply refer to animals that are at very high trophic levels, meaning few animals prey on them. In fact the wikipedia page of ”trophic levels” says that apex predators may occupy levels 4 to 5 of the trophic level, and being at 4 means some predators at level 5 prey on you. It’s not just as simple and straightforward as ”no natural predators. Because that’s scientifically impossible, all young animals are preyed upon by other animals, old and sick and wounded animals are preyed upon by animals that they would otherwise prey on. Hyenas prey on Lions and Lions prey on Hyenas. Nile Crocodiles and Lions prey on each other. Does Africa not have apex predators?
I take Apex Predator to mean a predator that sits at the highest trophic levels, few animals eat them and they’re basically at the top of the food chain. It doesn’t mean that you hunt everything and nothing hunts you.
@@The_Story_Of_Us Oh , that's what you meant by classifying Azdarchids as apexes . That actually makes a lot more sense now that your saying it that what I was thinking. Thanks for clearing things up.
But argentavis have feathers to protect its wings, one little slash on the Quetzel's membrane wing would significantly hinder or even disable its flight capabilities. Argentavis can still fly even if it lost a few flight feathers. And i have to believe that the actual bird is more agile than a flying reptile.
@@mechwarrior13 it’s a bird with a 20 foot wingspan, it isn’t ”agile”
quetzalcoatlus wins
agree with the verdict. the size difference is too much. on a land fight argentavis is literally dwarfed by quetz and the latter can probably finish the bird with a single peck. a dog fight in the air is a more equal scenario due to argentavis' superior agility but i still think that the giant azdarchid takes this due to its size and weaponry.
a more equal fight would've been argentavis vs quetzalcoatlus lawsoni
I agree with the final verdict. I personally think that a more even match would be Argentavis vs Pteranodon or Tropeognathus, but I digress. I think another good bird for another bird vs pterosaur matchup would be Haast Eagle. It’s not nearly as big as Argentavis, but was still a powerful predator that would be a good matchup for a similarly sized pterosaur.
Yeah while the argentavis is the largest raptor ever discovered quetzal thrived in the late cretaceous and co existed with t rex and other dinosaurs.
I don't think some people grasp just HOW BIG these 2 were. Imagine it's late at night, you're on the way home, and one of these is just chilling in your driveway. It's their driveway now. Great video as always pal.
My thoughts exactly, these giants are some of the most impressive flyers ever found in nature. Appreciate the support!
The reference to “rodan” and “the giant claw” was kinda funny ngl
hell nos quetz was also built for terrestrial movement and could still leverage it's range advantage
I was so confused at the 10:15
I've always wondered what kind of evolutionary pressures would've pushed Quetz to grow THAT HUGE!!!
I dont think they had much pressure I believe they grew to that size due to the lack of pressure and the open niche they filled.
Swallowing bigger prey and having less predatory threats to deal with are both very big advantages to being big
because smaller niche were already filled by early birds and other avialan dinosaur by the time cretacous
I’d say quetz takes it. Argent didn’t have the agility to make up for its smaller size and is severely out gunned. Plus quetzal probably had more stamina to boot.
Actually larger Quetzals could potentially reach up to 250 kilograms.
Potentially it could grow a fair bit larger than 250kg. But using a quetz at 300kg+ would be a no diff match up
HOW IS THIS A DEBATE
a better match is vs Pteranodon
Quetz was intercontinental, Argie was not.
Teratorns were not well suited to preying on animals as large as themselves, let alone larger. They probably didn't hunt and kill anything larger than their own heads. There's nothing it can do against a pterosaur the size of a grizzly bear that could stab it with a pointy beak or maybe even pummel it with its wings.
A truly beautiful video and also its protagonists, two truly impressive flying animals!!!! tops always thank you Overseer❤️
Glad you enjoyed it!
0:57 I can bench press a quetz?
Hatzegopteryx just waiting in the background:
That’s the final boss
WHOMST HAS SUMMONED THE ANCIENT ONE
Quetz was built to island hop and hunt on the ground, argentavis was built to be able to commute effectively but not to hunt on the ground. Quetz easily wins both categories
This... was just really friggin' cool. Especially the possible evolution section. Subbed.
I'm curious about some battle between big ornithopods and theropods, like for example iguanodon vs torvosaurus
Now that’s an interesting match up I haven’t thought of!
Megalosaurs against Iguanodontids is a likely scenario in real life i believe
If there is one Fight i’d be curios to see would be Quetzalcoatlus vs Lonopteryx from James Camororens avatar
Agree with the verdict on the winner 🏆
What the fuck are these battles man, They're extremely unfair.
Big ahh flying lizard vs big ahh flying dinosaur
I am the 644th viewer.
Argentavis could not compete
Quetzalcoatlus just one stabs
Why does this guy always makes a obviously overkill matchups. 😅
Compare Quetzalcoatle with Hadzegopteryx 😅
You are not entirely wrong that hatz vs quetz would be closer. However, I also like to do interesting match ups not covered. Always thought that the argi was an underrated and interesting bird to have in a debate.
Both are creatures I do not want to get picked up by
Couldn’t agree more
Bro... Make American Alligator Vs. Asiatic Lion Debate
How about just African lion vs Siberian tiger?
Cuz even lepards eat crocs regularly. Lions are just larger and stronger leopards while gators are smaller and weaker crocs
In a 1v1 fight, with both creatures being maximum size and perfect health, Alligator wins the majority of the time.
Flying snake with a beak vs a big vulture
More
Awsome vid man! Also who do you think would win Sloth bear or a Giant Anteater?
Now that is an interesting debate. On a surface level view; It’s certainly difficult, as the giant anteaters claws can take out jaguars with ease if landed. However, as sloth bears heavier and take on larger cats (bengal tiger) and are far more aggressive because of it. I think I’d give it the win. Again though, that is a surface level opinion, these debates are always highly complex.
@@TheOverseerDebates i honestly think anteaters would win. The bear may be heavier but i've seen anteaters surviving jaguar bites so it def gets durability and maybe better striking strenght and it's also faster. The bear also has never fought something like an anteater, while the bear is fairly simular to the jaguar. I think anteater makes up with it's durability and claws wich could tear the bear open. I think it wins on high diff, i think the anteater wins 66/34 of the time because of it's powerful weapons and it's also faster, meaning it's claws would probably hit the bear most of the times since it can react to jaguars. I may be wrong but that's just my opinion
I simply think the bear dosen't have the agility or the strenght to put an anteater down for good. Sure it can ragdoll it but 1 swipe and the bear will see it's guts
Oh there some Franky vibes with this dude. Total "The One Piece is real".
The Virgin Argentavis vs. The Chad Pelagornis
Just because its mouth is bigger doesn't mean those lil' birdie arms will never be touched. Argentavis possesses raptorial claws nonetheless and could deal some damage to the pterosaur's wings, if not, its neck. And that's something you enthusiast do not seem to assess into the equation--how intelligent is Argentavis, were they group hunters, and what would its durability be against an opponent? I mean, a Hawk can do some nasty damage on a wolf but still prefers to ambush it.
That’s still VERY unlikely because Argentavis would still have to get very close the Pterosaur, which would put it in a very dangerous position
@@denistyrant That would also pur the pterosaur in a dangerous position too. This analysis doesn't guarantee how fast or agile these animals were in flight.
@@TheMightyN It would still put the Argentavis at a greater risk however, especially since its opponent has the striking range advantage.
@@denistyrant But no way of countering if it misses its strike. _Argentavis_ has talons and a beak that'll deal in serious damage, Quetzalcoatlus' weapon is just its mouth.
@@TheMightyN It’s skull is still almost the entire body length of Argentavis, the overall height advantage is still going to make it more difficult for Argentavis to land lethal than vice versa
WOULD IT KILL YOU TO BREATH AND SLOW DOWN WHEN YOU SPEAK?
I can't figure out why so many youtubers do this! You think we will lose interest if you breath between sentences ?
I got a headache listening to what otherwise would have been an excellent video!
You can slow the video by clicking the settings icon and turning the speed down if it’s too hard
Sorry guys i ate the 2, they kinda tasted like KFC 😋
W tbh
Well I uhh better get out of here.
You should do deinonychus/dakotaraptor vs human (with small weapon like knife, bow ect.)
Ps, love your content ❤
The Raptors would win easily
Quetz
Hatzegopteryx was the biggest pterosaur
I agree but don’t at the same time. It’s like the Spino and rex argument. Spino is technically bigger lengthwise, height wise, but rex is bulkier and weighs more. It’s the exact same situation here. So I think of Quetz as the biggest, Hatz as the strongest. Same with Rex and spino.
@Aperson84782 size depends more on mass, rather than height or length. Therefore, Hatzegopteryx would be the larger one. Also, Arambougiania Philadelphiae was (I believe) a bit taller than Quetzalcoatlus Northropi
Mal from total drama one shots both
How
@@HatzegopteryxThambema have you seen the show?
@@Sha-walter_goatedno
@@HatzegopteryxThambema he legit has supernatural powers (which is crazy as this show was slightly realistic in the start) getting punched by him is legit as deadly as an entire plane falling on you 😭
@@Sha-walter_goatedoh damn I did not know that
I rule the skies.
No I do
@@HatzegopteryxThambema go back to being extinct