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Thank you so much! This review was a ton of work (three trips to the speed-run course to make sure I had the data and scooter settings exactly correct), but this comments section is making it all worthwhile. -Paul
I wouldn't say this is a hyper scooter because the word Hyper more correlates to fast or speed just like Hypercars that prioritizes speed than luxury. The Apollo Pro is more of a Luxury scooter, you could also say its Apollo's Lexus.
It IS an Hyper Scooter. The other guys can call theirs Speedy or Fast, I don't really care. I prefer HYPER for the Apollo Pro by far. It's called Hyper just because it is Hyper. 😉
@@Andral_Premier ehhh I mean opinions yeah I guess but I think OP nailed it. Not saying anything bad about the scooter at all, but Hyper is a bit of a reach.
I've been waiting for this review, we appreciate all the hard work you guys do! Thanks for the beta program information you guys are the best plug for electric scooters by far
Thank you so much. I spent twice as much time on this review as I usually do. It was by far, the most labor intensive review I've done. I did three separate trips to the top speed run location to make sure I got the numbers right. -Paul
I'm glad you touched on the IP66 rating. It really sets the Pro apart from other competitors you mentioned (including the Phantom). IP54 just doesn't cut it for a daily driver. This kind of actual water resistance is a requirement before any scooter can be truly "vehicle grade." Reliability is non-negotiable in a future of sustainable transportation. I'm looking forward to the day when IP66 is the standard for any scooter over $1000.
I think we're heading that way fast! It turns out that the Apollo City's spec has gone up since we reviewed it. It was IP56, but now IP66 as well! (water rating hasn't changed, but it gives me more confidence in thw water number when the dust number is higher too) -Paul
@@jeffbill Obviously IP67 is a higher rating than IP66, but it's only useful if you want to submerge your scooter underwater, which seems like a bad plan to begin with, even momentarily. You wouldn't be able to buy a car with IP67, so I don't see why you would need that on a scooter. IP66 is already one rating above what most riders would need, which is enough peace of mind for me.
Excellent review Paul! I’m really excited about this all new Apollo model with 12 INCH TIRES and next level ergonomics and integrated design. I can’t wait to own one!
Bought a Phantom V2 on your recommendation, recently did the V3 upgrade and I'm very pleased with everything but the scooters weight... I knew going in it was heavy but its so well built it feels heavier than it is! 😅 Great review and exciting to see continued innovation from this amazing company.
So glad you're enjoying your Phantom. I've had a few surprised reactions recently when I picked up a heavy crate, for example, here at ESG. Moving scooters around is the only weight lifting I do, but seems to be working! -Paul
Love the channel and all your reviews!! Can't help but notice that we were told that you couldn't show Quad Lock @ 7:33 But we can clearly see their Quad Lock in POV cam @ 12:01
Good catch. Hopefully, the lighting is bad enough in that shot that we don't get in trouble with QuadLock. I honestly don't know what part would be revealing. The lock mechanism itself (the female end of things) is available for purchase on Amazon. That's where I got the phone case for testing! (my phone in the video). -Paul
Pretty happy with my KQi3 MAX for reliability, errands, and pack-away joy riding on trips (have a KQi2 Pro as a spare), but if I wanted a higher-end product, this Apollo Pro is what I'm looking at. Segway GT-2 and other higher performance e-scooters just don't have the balance of features/polish I'm looking for. Thanks for the video!
You guys are awesome... Your reviews helps me selecting what scooter i should get. sadly because of what's goin on in the economy i ended up really tight on budget of getting this i ended up getting the Apollo ghost...But i am loving it too...This one is into perfection
Great review and video. A pleasure to watch and build on the excitement. I’ve, been contacted by Apollo to be a “Beta Tester”. I’m, very excited! Over, the last 10yrs, a series of “Brain Surgeries”🤕, other procedures and a subsequent Stroke on the Operating Table: having to progress from a Wheelchair->Walker->Walker/Cane->unassisted, twice, now. Since then, it’s left me with residual visual deficits and complications. These, prevent me from driving, ever again and ended both of my Careers, as a Firefighter and EMT. “The System”, won’t even give me a “Disability Bus Pass”, though. So, I’ve turned to the “e-scooter, as my primary, mode of Transportation. This, whole prospect and product, have me, pretty excited.
I ride my City Pro daily and CANNOT WAIT for this beast. I love your reviews and are honestly the benchmark in my opinion before making any scooter decision. My fingers are also crossed as a beta user. I’ve applied and I hope the fact I ride an Apollo 20+ miles daily rain or shine get me in the running ⚡️😏⚡️
Nice review Paul. Look forward to seeing the beta test units rolling out. I think the most direct comparison here is the Segway GT2, from both a design and performance perspective. The 0-30 time is pretty slow, most likely because the motors peak at 1,800W vs 3,000 for the GT2. I’ll take your word for it regarding drum brakes but I still love the hydraulic brakes on the Segway GT. And, Segway released a major firmware upgrade last night that adds KERS, electronic braking, mode customization, and horn customization. So we’ll have to see how the software functionality of the Pro vs GT compares when the final product is out. At $2,500 I think beta testers are getting a great value. At $4,000 I think it’s a tough sell. The GT2 regularly gets discounted to $3,500 so you are going to have to pay $500 more to get less power and drum vs hydraulic disc brakes. I don’t see many buyers at that price. But who knows, maybe the market will be there. Time will tell.
Thanks for the insightful comment. I hadn't heard about KERS getting added to the GT2. I was honestly really surprised that the GT2 didn't have it, but also surprised just how good the brakes were without it, because the rotors are extra thick. I'm curious what their regen feels like. I think the beta test units for the Pro are $3k not $2,500 though. Time will tell where the street-price for the Pro will end up with coupon codes etc. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Paul, speaking of the GT2, I listed a few pertinent questions in a top comment on the ESG GT review, aimed squarely at your guidance on the suspension calibration and settings. If you can spare a moment, can you pop over there and advise? Thank you for that!
Any chance you could include charts in the reviews to put the specs into context? Like seeing how it's braking numbers compare to a a number of other similar products instead of just one? This would be super helpful when comparing options 😁
I would sooooooo love to do that. We used to show a lot of data, but the sentiment around the office was that we were too data heavy in our videos. I loooove graphs myself. If you post in the ESG Facebook group, I can shoot you some custom made graphs. I expect that Apollo can drop at least a foot off of the braking number from my pre-production (earlier than Beta) scooter if they add more peak regen power. -Paul
Very sad to see you go, Ethan! You're a great presenter/reviewer. Please keep us posted on your new adventures if you can. I especially liked this video review. Looks like an awesome scooter!
Paul, I liked when you used to put summary of specs at the start. (Specifically Weight, battery size). I would also have top speed, range on the same page. I think it makes the review more transparent.
That was a mistake and I can't believe it got past me. We'll bring those back, but I'm super bummed that they didn't end up in the video. I take the time to measure every dimension, weigh the scooters etc, so I'm upset that it's missing and that I didn't catch it in time. We will have all of the measurements and specs in the ESG database soon, if not already. -Paul
this is the future, and I'm excited! i love my niu kqi2 pro for similar reasons: it just feels sleek, cool, and futuristic. this seems like an evolution of that feeling. might be my next upgrade!
Currently riding a Dualtron City and loving it. The Apollo Pro looks like it has all the features I wish my City had. I will almost certainly be buying the Pro but not till Spring of next year when the bugs are worked out.
Awesome! You're going to love it. Literally just pushing it through the building the first time, I was like "heeeeeey, this one feels different" (in a good way). It's a great ride! I can't wait to get some road tires on ours. Even with knobbies on it, the handling is amazing. -Paul
No doubt it looks dope and it has some super innovative ideas! I wish it had some type of internal steering damper just to add to the safety/stability especially at 40+ MPH
Oh, good call out. It feels like it has some drag, but I'm not sure if it's just bearings or something designed to slow down the steering! That would have been really good for me to ask them and address in this video. Thanks so much for commenting. Comments like these literally improve the next video. -Paul
I keep coming back to this review by Paul as I hope to be one of the first owners of the Pro down under come this Aussie Spring and summer (September - February) Cannot wait…. it’s going to be worth EVERY cent, I work hard for the money, so hard for the money. No doubt I’ll be the ‘coolest’ looking 40 something year old riding my mid-life crisis luxury man toy!
Very clean design, not busy or cluttered like some sort of robotic insect, probably the best looking atm imo. Seems like it should offer better acceleration for the price. Also I'd personally like to see more graphs/data comparing all the scooters tested (in similar class) something like: 0-30, braking 15-0, weight, hillclimb, top speed, and range test on highest mode.
Thanks for the feedback Spencer! I love graphs and am always wanting to put more graphs and data in the reviews. I'll relay your suggestion to the team! -Paul
As someone who daily scoots a 2022 Apollo City Pro, I can say the performance numbers aren't as important as the thoughtful design and build quality. I'm still hanging out for an integrated rear view mirror for a bit more car awareness.
Yes! We agree! It's so much harder to get this across in a review video than the idea of "Moar Powaaar!" but Apollo have been bravely giving us what we really need, rather than what makes headlines. I hope it works out for them in the long run. It worked for Honda and Toyota! -Paul
It is the equivalent of an S Class Mercedes AMG. Sophisticated beauty. Technology of the future. Next generation build quality and attention to detail. Outstanding Performance where it counts. Reliability to the next level. It might not be what us Scooter Nuts wanted. But it’s what we needed.
Wow! Very well said. I think this is one of the most impressive (and frustrating) things about Apollo. They insist on giving us what we need, knowing that it's not the stuff headlines are made of! It's much easier to make videos about: "Fastest Scooter Ever!" than "5 years from now you'll be glad you have one of the best BMS to ever be used in a production scooter" :-) But in the long run, it's really good for the scooter industry when someone like Apollo makes a scooter that's not disposable! -Paul
The look of this scooter is quite appealing. I like it a lot more than the Kaabo Wolf and even more than the new Segways. Better looking than everything else available. Appears to have an amazing build quality. Love the water resistance. Love the optional SIM alarm / GPS. Love the beta test program. Love the regen brake system (and brake system in general). Love the large wheels/tires and self healing quality. Love the lights. Definitely not a fan of the phone being used as a display. Last thing I need is a dropped/broken cellphone because my scooter doesn't have its own display, and I don't need to be worried about my cellphone battery in relation to my scooter operation. How well does the headlight work at night? Regarding the piece of rubber used for suspension at the back: I'm wondering if it might degrade after exposure to the elements (freezing temperatures, water, excessive heat, etc.) or even just continued use? Hopefully this is a window into the quality of future scooter builds from most companies. Also, let's hope that as we make progress that the price comes WAY down. I'm not a fan of the price tag, even though I certainly understand it. As always, a well done and informative review!
The headlight is pretty good. It appears to be similar to the Phantom. Maybe 900 lumens. Not as good as the Wolf Warrior or NAMI scooters, but you're also not going as fast. The rubber on Dualtrons definitely gives more on hotter days. This is a pretty large piece and I like that it's under compression and not under tension. I'll bet i twill hold up for a long time. There is a basic dot matrix display when the phone isn't in place. I checked out all of the angles and the phone won't ever contact the ground unless you completely invert the scooter. -Paul
@@skycastle201 @RiderGuide Just noticed your question. Instead of (all USD) $4,000, it's $3,000 and then you receive $500 back if you complete the beta tester requirements. So, it is $2,500 instead of $4,000. Unfortunately the beta is delayed until August.
@nicolebozeman2647 I see it now on their site! Interesting! We reviewed something that looks very similar, called the Mercane Jubel. ruclips.net/video/ByfxYpbWLYw/видео.html
Yeah mate come join the City Pro posse, you won't regret it, like floating on a cloud when you ride one. FYI.... An upgrade kit is coming in June so if I were you I'd buy a 22 model now and add an upgrade kit in 3 months time.
I just got the city Pro. I use it every day as a rain or shine commuter. Its kind of like the Pro's little brother. Looks similar with some of the same features. 1000w puts it in a more pedestrian category but still quite fast and powerful. My biggest issue so far is that the throttle sticks down in full acceleration sometimes. kind of dangerous actually. Will try to use some lithium grease on it.
@Timothy Germann Get onto whomever you bought the scooter from and have the throttle replaced FREE. I had the same issue and recently I reached out to the sales team in which I purchased the scooter from and I took it into their Apollo repairer. Everything was taken care of via them through Apollo and it didn't cost me a cent. There are updated throttles (V8 I think?) that fix this issue (with raised buttons for more precise control) Ask Apollo directly as they will know. My City Pro came with the original throttles (indented buttons) which are difficult to press particularly with gloves on. When I got my new and improved throttle upgrade it made a world of difference. Hope this helps
Definitely one of my fav guys to fome to fir scooter reviews i wish i had an apollo go but im checking out the gforce s10 right now from walmart only $400 right now its a steal. Also gotrax gx1 & 2 look really cool.
you should make a video on the segway e2 plus i know you have already made one on the regular e2 but i’m getting an e2 plus for christmas and im wondering if it could do my day to day shopping and going out with friends. Keep on riding. ❤
I'm one of those 100 beta testers. I'm very excited to ride it to and from work. I love my Phantom but have no use for 2 scooters. I'll likely give the Pro to my roommate after testing.
Very appealing I like the illumination and the portability, easy to carry onto a bus or load into a vehicle! At 72 running the 12 miles to my friends house is getting more difficult after work all other forms transportation to her house either cost more than I want to spend or take almost as long as running there, the only other thing to consider is Fridays I make a trip that is 19 miles is it able to make a 40 mile loop on one charge? A lot more to the story but already too long! thanks for the info.
It would be dicey going 40 miles in one charge unless you are on flat ground going 15mph. I think it’s also a little large for carrying onto a bus. In a pinch, you could do it, but it’s 95.6lbs. -Paul
I currently have a Dualtron City. Ive been searching for another escooter similar to my City this Apollo Pro is very similar.. same weight, big tires, same price, same speed/range. but the Pro has more bells and whistles. The blinkers, the sounds, and the design 😍
It looks great but I love my City Pro 2022, so civilized and is also a work of art. Also the city pro has amazing regenerative break’s almost all I use!
Which I had seen this video before today. That scooter is gorgeous. I just bought the Segway GT1. It’s very comfortable. My only problem would be that it is very big and doesn’t look as cool. It looks like a commercial scooter u rent on downtown somewhere. My other issue is that in sports/race mode. The range is only like 19 miles. Which isn’t as practical for riding to work. I love the inmotion RS. It’s fast and looks great! The price point though is more than my current budget.
Great video. I picked up my Apollo Pro 2023 today. One thing I noticed is that on Pg. 13 in the manual, it states that there’s a hook on the front stem when folded to lock at the end of the deck. That hook or clip on the stem does not exist which made me confused. I know in your video it did state that the scooter will not be able to be clip to the back stem.
This is the first scooter that's made me consider switching to a 1 car family with a scooter as the second vehicle. I'd be interested to see what the real world range is on it. Apollo tends to under promise and over deliver, which I love. I just don't know whether they have done that here as well or not.
I expect that may change by the time they get to production. On the other hand, while it doesn't look as nice as when a scooter is riding perfectly level, I feel like scooters feel better jumping off of curbs and braking if they have a little bit of a "Carolina Squat" to them. -Paul
Since you mentioned the range test was mostly aggressive riding, Just out of curiosity, do you guys think it would be possible to get 90kms of range out of the scooter if riding at about 50 km/hour and on relatively flat ground? Asking since they mention "up to 100km of range" on their website
Definitely not at 50km/hour. You'd need to be going about 25km/hr to get close to that range on flat ground. It's pretty typical for manufacturers to quote max range which is usually at 12 to 15 mph and also typical for us to get 50 to 60% of that. -Paul
A folding lock through the handle would do the trick. I think scooter manufacturer's may be reluctant to include physical locks as part of the product, because you can imagine the sorts of customer service phone calls it would cause, such as: "I locked my scooter and now it won't unlock" or "I locked my scooter, and now my scooter is gone. Why is your lock so easy to defeat?" I have this vision of cities having anchor-points installed in the sidewalk, and then scooters could drop anchor into the anchor points. So a whole bike-rack (scooter-rack in this case) would just be a series of metal bumps on the ground that scooters could anchor to using drop-down anchors. It would be so cool and lightweight. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks. I understand. I'd just like something incorporated into the scooter design that will allow a lock to be securely used. Up to the owner to choose a lock.
interesting choice with the drum brakes, time will tell as to whether this was a good design choice especially given the market for this level of product almost certainly (at least currently) all demand Hydraulic Disk...
Paul, do you have plans to check the hill performance of the 2023 Pro? I am 225 lbs and have a few 12 degree hills to get home on but don’t want the speed to drop off to like 6mph on the hill. I want to get the Pro but am concerned the the 12 inch wheels might rob the climb ability. Thanks for all the great vids!
You keep saying it's slow but To me 40mph is enough lol, heck I'm happy @30mph, it's comfortable on a commute! Thanks for the first showing, going back to your Vista video I asked questions that still need answers, I'd appreciate if you'd go back to answer, thanks! 🎉
On a scooter, I almost never want to go faster than 40mph. Mitchell reviewed the Vista. I've been so deep into the Apollo Pro that I didn't get a chance to ride the Vista yet! I'll let him know you have questions! -Paul
Great video! I'm thinking of getting a scooter as a graduation gift for possible future commute and fun. The Pro seems like a great option, but it may be too expensive for me. Do you think it's really worth an extra $2000+ over the City Pro or Phantom? Is there one of these three (or another brand/model) that you would recommend? Thanks!
Any 3 would be great for most commutes but the pro just adds luxury, features and more technology then the other 2! But you will not be disappointed with any of them. -Vosk
If Apollo gets the build quality right on this one, they're definitely going to turn me from a hater to a fanboy. I'd take this for days over a GT2. The design is so clever.
I haven't watched the final cut of the video yet, so I don't know if this made it in there, but I jumped it off of the loading dock at ESG to check the frame strength! The scooter came out of it perfect. My neck, not so much! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide lol I definitely want to see that. I get the feeling from a lot of commenters on Reddit that they just don't get what this scooter is for. It's for me, dammit!
Reddit is so weird. I feel like the m365 and Ninebot Max are the only scooters that forum has ever liked. ESG (Chuck) is the founder of that subreddit, by the way. We have very little influence over what happens there though. Others moderate, not us. -Paul
Sorry to hear about your other scooter! You're going to love the Pro. It's one of my all time favorites right now, and I can't wait to see the app when it has full light and sound control! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you Paul, and it’s alright, I really put the scooter through the ringer. I was avoiding it, but ultimately knew that it was going to happened one day. Maybe the Beta Announcement is a sign. Thank you guys for the great videos and reviews!
Thank you for watching and commenting! This whole comments section is the best. I'm supposed to be taking the day off today, but can't stop reading these great comments. Makes it all worthwhile! -Paul
Nice review & an amazing looking scooter. Although we can buy them in the UK they aren't legal to use on public roads 😂 so I'll stick with my £500 one for now but if they do change the laws (hopefully) I'd definitely spend on this
Nice overview video! Re the beta program, I was selected a couple of days ago. Still considering whether or not the benefits for both parties is appropriately aligned/balanced. For example, beta testers come in two main categories... 1) The technical/Engineering/e-whatever experienced, and 2) Everyone else, including eScooter advocates, influencers, etc. Apollo benefits from input from both groups, and the beta testers should, of course, include testers from the entire spectrum of e-scooter riders. However, if Apollo is looking for input from a more technical/engineering perspective, I would suggest they consider bifurcating the terms and conditions for each group - to better balance benefit being provided to both parties. Looking forward to seeing this one hit the market!
@@ROBB_DEEP I chose not to accept the terms of the beta test program, namely the price - basically, just a presale and presale prices. This thing will never sell for the "Suggested MSRP"... Way over priced when compared to other reputable scooters that have better specs all around.
@@user-er2xn2vv6o What would be the sweet spot for a good price on this V6 Pro? I see where their Black Friday sale would bring down the price to just under $3400. It's tempting to me at that price, I just don't know enough about Apollo's customer service reputation, to trust that big of a purchase to chance.
Thanks so much! We have had the *toughest* time getting our hands on a Bronco of any kind. I just need 30 minutes and a full charge so I can do some speeeeed runs! I don't know if it's ever going to happen, but we'll keep trying. It almost feels like some scooter companies don't want us to test their scooters cough cough Rion cough cough. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Mate that’s brilliant. Thanks for the reply! I’ve literally watched every review you guys have done. There are NO English reviews on the Vnoms! Such a shame really. I wonder why? They seem like a solid scooter.
I think it's a little pricey at $4k, but I do like everything about it. Particularly nice that you can track and remotely lock it "just in case," and that it has wireless phone charging. One thing you didn't mention is how does a phone stay attached? I didn't see you put straps or anything around it to keep it attached when moving.
One of the hard things to get used to with scooter tires (all of them) is that they have almost 10X the surface-area-to-volume ratio that car tires do. So, they need air once a week to keep them at spec. When they fall below spec, then you're in danger of getting pinch flats from potholes and even sharp edges like rolling into driveways. One of the advantages of the Pro (two, come to think of it) are tubless tires, which are more resistant to pinch flats, and the fact that they're 12" in diameter means that when you fo hit a pothole, the impact is spread out wider through the tire, so they resist damage better. The newer Apollo Air scooters have Aramid reinforced tires, which are pretty good as far as scooter tires go, but the Pro's tires should be significantly better. -Paul
so i am going to purchase the apollo tomorrow and i cannot make up my mind between the V2 60V or the V3... i really love the V3 and its features but i also like the 1400w motors and the 60V battery it offers
Thanks for the detailed review! The new Apollo Phantom V3 and the upcoming Pro are definitively on my short list. I really like the look of the Pro and the fact it has higher water and dust proofing which I think should become standard in the industry if they expect people to use these devices for transportation. Exciting times
For sure! I've been a rain-or-shine motorcycle rider for more than 20 years and never think twice about taking my motorcycle out in the pouring rain. So I'm very excited to see things heading in the vehicle-grade direction! -Paul
Another comment I’d make is that for the money - I’d have expected a bit more range? Of course that comes with weight… but 30-odd real world miles seems low-ish to me.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Agreed. For me personally they both need more range for money to consider buying over Nami et-al - even though they’re admittedly different offerings. Thanks again for your great content. Look forward to the next one Paul. Love your work. 👍🏼👊🏼👏
I ride my Dualtron Thunder 50 miles round trip to work. - Would love to see how the AP rides day in day out. - Agree with other posters, for ~$4k I balk....mainly because a beastly Dualtron Storm Limited can be had for about the same investment.
In this video I did not hear about the battery. How long battery last in one charge and how long does it take to charge. Is battery easily replaceable?
So weird. The video editor left out pretty much all of the specs we usually put on screen! 1560 Watt-hours, 21700 cells (was in the script but got cut). Historically Apollo has used Dynavolt cells which aren't Samsung or LG, but are the next best thing. I assume they're using Dynavolt here as well. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Really appreciate the fast reply! No problem makes sense you usually cover those things. This was my fear, yes Dynavolt is good but at this price point I expect great, Samsung, Panasonic or LG's should be used. Even from a marketing standpoint name brand cells would establish more prestige for the product. That is a decent battery size though i'll give them that!
I was speaking with some BMS engineers recently and they were telling me that with the right BMS almost any battery can be made super safe. Of course, that's what BMS engineers would say, but it stuck with me. I'm curious to see the long term advantage of Apollo's smart BMS. We almost never talk about BMS, but maybe this is the beginning. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide That would be awesome, even if you did seperate 'deep dive' episodes some more tech specs and digging around would go a long way for some of us
The rider weight limit is 330lbs. (sorry, the stats we always include in our videos somehow got left out on this one. They will all be in the web-version of the review on our site). It will climb pretty much any hill, but if you were in a race against the world's fastest hill climbers... Out of the 121 scooters we've hill-climb tested this comes in 21st, just behind the Wolf Warrior 11 and Wolf Warrior X GT. -Paul
Wondering if you think this is worth it for someone that likely cant ride all 12 months out of the year due to snow? Also wondering if/when there's going to be a GoTrax GX3 review!!
Are the handlebars adjustable? I'm 6' 5" so I'm always looking at whether scooters, or clothes or whatever will fit me easily. Is this scooter appropriate for tall riders? Thanks.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you for this reply! Actually getting a response to a question in the comments section has never happened to me before. My already high opinion of you guys just went up even higher!
Great review! Thanks paul! I reserved one!!can’t wait but do u think it’s worth $4k? If I’m gonn spend that kinda money i hope to get 5/10k miles out of it!? I’m mostly looking for something with the 12”!self sealing tires and regen! I get around 25/30miles of range on my 21 wolf warrior, sounds like this can get more with smaller, more efficient battery? Build does look incredible def cybertruck/macbook lookin😂!
That's a great question. Apollo has self sealing 10" tires on the City Pro, but I'm not 100% sure they would fit, or if you have to have an Apollo serial number to buy them. If there is any scooter in the world that will go 5 to 10k miles, this is it. I think this scooter is really targeting daily riding and super high miles. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks! If they offer the explore or phantom with self sealing tires that might b a good option to!( more my price range) do u think 52v 30ah will make a huge difference? My wolf warrior is 60v/28ah and goes a bit slower up hills, I’m a 220lb rider. I thought about the city pro but 48v is not enough power for me or range. Thansk
It's crazy we're living in times where a 42mph scooter's not really considered all that fast. And its 0-30 speed is kinda on the "slow" side. I just ordered a Wolf King GT Pro and honestly, I don't think I'll ever have the cajones to try to hit top speed. I'm also a little chicken about the 0-30 speed the Wolf in mode 4 or 5 lol. 42's still super quick for normal non suicidal people. And the 7.9 0-30 here would still be pretty good. Maybe not blistering fast, but it also wouldn't make the tires chirp and the front one go airborne for a moment either. This looks like an awesome scooter, I love how your phone can become the screen, if Apollo lets you customize what's on the display it would be extra sweet.
My Apollo Phantom V2 60V goes 43mph but the speed isn't for racing. In my opinion...it's dangerous to ride in the streets if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic light to light. Not every road has a bike lane or sidewalk and that's when at least 35mph of speed is needed to flow with traffic. I'd say going over 60mph on a scooter is about the limit cuz any accident at that speed can be fatal
@@lamar310 While I agree about the speed on streets with no bike lane. I'd think if a cop wanted to pull you over for riding down a normal street like a car you'd probably end up losing your scooter. Or at least get a huge ticket. I know at least in So Cal they don't care about if you speed on a scooter in a bike lane. I don't know how they'll react to me flying 45 on my Wolf King down a non bike lane road lol. Hopefully they'd let me go with a stern warning.
Yeah that's my issue with it too, the 0-30 for this price point. GT2 is 3.9s. I wish they would change that before release. at least add a boost mode that run for a short duration.
Great looking scooter! Wonder if we'll be able to get it in the EU. Nice they keep the weight below 50kg aswell, the Segway GT-series is just too much vehicle for a standup scooter IMHO.
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Great review as always. Just signed up for the beta program. Hope I get picked. Only downside is the $
Great review. Signed up for the beta program based on your review. Agree with the downside. Expensive.
Outstanding! Hope you get picked! I expect you will if you're in North America. -Paul
It suks that has less speed
How much this scooter weights?
Please don’t ever leave Paul. 👌🏼
Thank you so much! This review was a ton of work (three trips to the speed-run course to make sure I had the data and scooter settings exactly correct), but this comments section is making it all worthwhile. -Paul
You’re my favorite, Paul
Paul’s great, but chuck was an amazing fit for this channel. It’s sad he left without explanation.
@@jeffbill we still miss Chuck! -Paul
I wouldn't say this is a hyper scooter because the word Hyper more correlates to fast or speed just like Hypercars that prioritizes speed than luxury. The Apollo Pro is more of a Luxury scooter, you could also say its Apollo's Lexus.
I agree. Definitely a Lexus. -Paul
It IS an Hyper Scooter. The other guys can call theirs Speedy or Fast, I don't really care. I prefer HYPER for the Apollo Pro by far. It's called Hyper just because it is Hyper. 😉
@@Andral_Premier ehhh I mean opinions yeah I guess but I think OP nailed it. Not saying anything bad about the scooter at all, but Hyper is a bit of a reach.
@@Andral_Premier yeah not hyper at all....So try not to over hype things than necessary
They certainly seem to be using the word as a hyperbole.
I've been waiting for this review, we appreciate all the hard work you guys do! Thanks for the beta program information you guys are the best plug for electric scooters by far
Thank you so much. I spent twice as much time on this review as I usually do. It was by far, the most labor intensive review I've done. I did three separate trips to the top speed run location to make sure I got the numbers right. -Paul
Couldn't of said it any BETA myself mate 👍
Nice one! -Paul
I’m just a dad trying to learn about scooters for my son. Now I want one. 😊
Thank you ESG team for all your hard work. Paul as pointman with backup and support from the team is hard to beat. Keep it up!
Our pleasure! Thanks so much for the kind words. -Paul
I'm glad you touched on the IP66 rating. It really sets the Pro apart from other competitors you mentioned (including the Phantom). IP54 just doesn't cut it for a daily driver.
This kind of actual water resistance is a requirement before any scooter can be truly "vehicle grade." Reliability is non-negotiable in a future of sustainable transportation. I'm looking forward to the day when IP66 is the standard for any scooter over $1000.
I think we're heading that way fast! It turns out that the Apollo City's spec has gone up since we reviewed it. It was IP56, but now IP66 as well! (water rating hasn't changed, but it gives me more confidence in thw water number when the dust number is higher too) -Paul
we will never get reliable electric cars or scooters on lithium its too volitile for it too last for a long time it degrades too fast...
I’m looking forward to the day when IP67 is the norm. Only then i will be comfortable riding in the rain!
@@jeffbill Obviously IP67 is a higher rating than IP66, but it's only useful if you want to submerge your scooter underwater, which seems like a bad plan to begin with, even momentarily. You wouldn't be able to buy a car with IP67, so I don't see why you would need that on a scooter. IP66 is already one rating above what most riders would need, which is enough peace of mind for me.
That’s just retarded. No car or motorcycles are IP67 rated, why are you expecting an electric scooter to have it?
Excellent review Paul! I’m really excited about this all new Apollo model with 12 INCH TIRES and next level ergonomics and integrated design. I can’t wait to own one!
Thanks so much! -Paul
Bought a Phantom V2 on your recommendation, recently did the V3 upgrade and I'm very pleased with everything but the scooters weight... I knew going in it was heavy but its so well built it feels heavier than it is! 😅 Great review and exciting to see continued innovation from this amazing company.
So glad you're enjoying your Phantom. I've had a few surprised reactions recently when I picked up a heavy crate, for example, here at ESG. Moving scooters around is the only weight lifting I do, but seems to be working! -Paul
Love the channel and all your reviews!!
Can't help but notice that we were told that you couldn't show Quad Lock @ 7:33
But we can clearly see their Quad Lock in POV cam @ 12:01
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Good catch. Hopefully, the lighting is bad enough in that shot that we don't get in trouble with QuadLock. I honestly don't know what part would be revealing. The lock mechanism itself (the female end of things) is available for purchase on Amazon. That's where I got the phone case for testing! (my phone in the video). -Paul
Pretty happy with my KQi3 MAX for reliability, errands, and pack-away joy riding on trips (have a KQi2 Pro as a spare), but if I wanted a higher-end product, this Apollo Pro is what I'm looking at.
Segway GT-2 and other higher performance e-scooters just don't have the balance of features/polish I'm looking for.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks so much for watching and commenting! Enjoy your KQi2 and 3! -Paul
You guys are awesome... Your reviews helps me selecting what scooter i should get. sadly because of what's goin on in the economy i ended up really tight on budget of getting this i ended up getting the Apollo ghost...But i am loving it too...This one is into perfection
Thank you so much! So glad you're enjoying your Ghost! -Paul
I love the Ghost!
Great review and video. A pleasure to watch and build on the excitement. I’ve, been contacted by Apollo to be a “Beta Tester”. I’m, very excited! Over, the last 10yrs, a series of “Brain Surgeries”🤕, other procedures and a subsequent Stroke on the Operating Table: having to progress from a Wheelchair->Walker->Walker/Cane->unassisted, twice, now. Since then, it’s left me with residual visual deficits and complications. These, prevent me from driving, ever again and ended both of my Careers, as a Firefighter and EMT. “The System”, won’t even give me a “Disability Bus Pass”, though. So, I’ve turned to the “e-scooter, as my primary, mode of Transportation.
This, whole prospect and product, have me, pretty excited.
Thanks for the kind words! Enjoy the beta program and stay safe.
I ride my City Pro daily and CANNOT WAIT for this beast.
I love your reviews and are honestly the benchmark in my opinion before making any scooter decision.
My fingers are also crossed as a beta user. I’ve applied and I hope the fact I ride an Apollo 20+ miles daily rain or shine get me in the running ⚡️😏⚡️
Thank you so much. If you’re in North America, I think your odds are good! -Paul
Nice review Paul. Look forward to seeing the beta test units rolling out. I think the most direct comparison here is the Segway GT2, from both a design and performance perspective. The 0-30 time is pretty slow, most likely because the motors peak at 1,800W vs 3,000 for the GT2. I’ll take your word for it regarding drum brakes but I still love the hydraulic brakes on the Segway GT. And, Segway released a major firmware upgrade last night that adds KERS, electronic braking, mode customization, and horn customization. So we’ll have to see how the software functionality of the Pro vs GT compares when the final product is out. At $2,500 I think beta testers are getting a great value. At $4,000 I think it’s a tough sell. The GT2 regularly gets discounted to $3,500 so you are going to have to pay $500 more to get less power and drum vs hydraulic disc brakes. I don’t see many buyers at that price. But who knows, maybe the market will be there. Time will tell.
Thanks for the insightful comment. I hadn't heard about KERS getting added to the GT2. I was honestly really surprised that the GT2 didn't have it, but also surprised just how good the brakes were without it, because the rotors are extra thick. I'm curious what their regen feels like. I think the beta test units for the Pro are $3k not $2,500 though. Time will tell where the street-price for the Pro will end up with coupon codes etc. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Paul, speaking of the GT2, I listed a few pertinent questions in a top comment on the ESG GT review, aimed squarely at your guidance on the suspension calibration and settings. If you can spare a moment, can you pop over there and advise? Thank you for that!
@OCR10 there’s a firmware update? Where is the new horn feature? My GT2 says I’m up to date and I see electronic brake but I don’t see anything else.
@@JakeRogue Are you in the beta test pool of users? If not, you'll need to wait for wide release sometime in the near future.
@@ArtemMoshkovich I am not that’s probably the reason. Exciting nonetheless!
this is a great vid keep working hard and teaching people more about e scooters ❤ lots of love
Any chance you could include charts in the reviews to put the specs into context? Like seeing how it's braking numbers compare to a a number of other similar products instead of just one? This would be super helpful when comparing options 😁
I would sooooooo love to do that. We used to show a lot of data, but the sentiment around the office was that we were too data heavy in our videos. I loooove graphs myself. If you post in the ESG Facebook group, I can shoot you some custom made graphs. I expect that Apollo can drop at least a foot off of the braking number from my pre-production (earlier than Beta) scooter if they add more peak regen power. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide you can never be too data heavy!!! bring it back :) you guys rock
Thanks Paul, good information about the Pro. I always enjoy your videos !
My pleasure! -Paul
Very sad to see you go, Ethan! You're a great presenter/reviewer. Please keep us posted on your new adventures if you can. I especially liked this video review. Looks like an awesome scooter!
Hey! Who is Ethan ?
Paul, I liked when you used to put summary of specs at the start. (Specifically Weight, battery size). I would also have top speed, range on the same page. I think it makes the review more transparent.
That was a mistake and I can't believe it got past me. We'll bring those back, but I'm super bummed that they didn't end up in the video. I take the time to measure every dimension, weigh the scooters etc, so I'm upset that it's missing and that I didn't catch it in time. We will have all of the measurements and specs in the ESG database soon, if not already. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you 🙏🏽.
Thank you so much for pointing it out! I honestly hadn't noticed it until you said it! You've helped us prevent making that mistake again! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Hey there Paul. Could you say what the voltage is 52 or 60 and what is the battery size
this is the future, and I'm excited! i love my niu kqi2 pro for similar reasons: it just feels sleek, cool, and futuristic. this seems like an evolution of that feeling. might be my next upgrade!
Currently riding a Dualtron City and loving it. The Apollo Pro looks like it has all the features I wish my City had. I will almost certainly be buying the Pro but not till Spring of next year when the bugs are worked out.
That’s awesome! Hope you enjoy it. -Vosk
Another great review Paul, that scooter does look amazing. I threw my hat in for the Beta testing program :)
Awesome! You're going to love it. Literally just pushing it through the building the first time, I was like "heeeeeey, this one feels different" (in a good way). It's a great ride! I can't wait to get some road tires on ours. Even with knobbies on it, the handling is amazing. -Paul
No doubt it looks dope and it has some super innovative ideas! I wish it had some type of internal steering damper just to add to the safety/stability especially at 40+ MPH
Oh, good call out. It feels like it has some drag, but I'm not sure if it's just bearings or something designed to slow down the steering! That would have been really good for me to ask them and address in this video. Thanks so much for commenting. Comments like these literally improve the next video. -Paul
👍Great video thanks for all the info. Can’t wait to ride one myself I’m on the waiting list.😁
Right on! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
This is a really informative and good video! Well done!
Glad you liked it! -Vosk
Thank you so much! We really appreciate you saying that! -Paul
I keep coming back to this review by Paul as I hope to be one of the first owners of the Pro down under come this Aussie Spring and summer (September - February) Cannot wait…. it’s going to be worth EVERY cent, I work hard for the money, so hard for the money. No doubt I’ll be the ‘coolest’ looking 40 something year old riding my mid-life crisis luxury man toy!
Very clean design, not busy or cluttered like some sort of robotic insect, probably the best looking atm imo. Seems like it should offer better acceleration for the price. Also I'd personally like to see more graphs/data comparing all the scooters tested (in similar class) something like:
0-30, braking 15-0, weight, hillclimb, top speed, and range test on highest mode.
Very cool! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
Thanks for the feedback Spencer! I love graphs and am always wanting to put more graphs and data in the reviews. I'll relay your suggestion to the team! -Paul
As someone who daily scoots a 2022 Apollo City Pro, I can say the performance numbers aren't as important as the thoughtful design and build quality. I'm still hanging out for an integrated rear view mirror for a bit more car awareness.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Yes! We agree! It's so much harder to get this across in a review video than the idea of "Moar Powaaar!" but Apollo have been bravely giving us what we really need, rather than what makes headlines. I hope it works out for them in the long run. It worked for Honda and Toyota! -Paul
It is the equivalent of an S Class Mercedes AMG. Sophisticated beauty. Technology of the future. Next generation build quality and attention to detail.
Outstanding Performance where it counts.
Reliability to the next level.
It might not be what us Scooter Nuts wanted.
But it’s what we needed.
Wow! Very well said. I think this is one of the most impressive (and frustrating) things about Apollo. They insist on giving us what we need, knowing that it's not the stuff headlines are made of! It's much easier to make videos about: "Fastest Scooter Ever!" than "5 years from now you'll be glad you have one of the best BMS to ever be used in a production scooter" :-)
But in the long run, it's really good for the scooter industry when someone like Apollo makes a scooter that's not disposable!
-Paul
Very informative video,thanks!
Thanks so much for watching and for the kind words. -Paul
The look of this scooter is quite appealing. I like it a lot more than the Kaabo Wolf and even more than the new Segways. Better looking than everything else available. Appears to have an amazing build quality.
Love the water resistance. Love the optional SIM alarm / GPS. Love the beta test program. Love the regen brake system (and brake system in general). Love the large wheels/tires and self healing quality. Love the lights.
Definitely not a fan of the phone being used as a display. Last thing I need is a dropped/broken cellphone because my scooter doesn't have its own display, and I don't need to be worried about my cellphone battery in relation to my scooter operation.
How well does the headlight work at night?
Regarding the piece of rubber used for suspension at the back: I'm wondering if it might degrade after exposure to the elements (freezing temperatures, water, excessive heat, etc.) or even just continued use?
Hopefully this is a window into the quality of future scooter builds from most companies. Also, let's hope that as we make progress that the price comes WAY down. I'm not a fan of the price tag, even though I certainly understand it.
As always, a well done and informative review!
The Pro has been tested to last 10k km wich is years of operation the phone deck will have an induction charging function.
The headlight is pretty good. It appears to be similar to the Phantom. Maybe 900 lumens. Not as good as the Wolf Warrior or NAMI scooters, but you're also not going as fast.
The rubber on Dualtrons definitely gives more on hotter days. This is a pretty large piece and I like that it's under compression and not under tension. I'll bet i twill hold up for a long time.
There is a basic dot matrix display when the phone isn't in place. I checked out all of the angles and the phone won't ever contact the ground unless you completely invert the scooter. -Paul
@powerpopjoey - You wrote "optional SIM alarm / GPS." It's not optional, it's built-in with the new MACH2 Controller.
Waiting for my beta to arrive. This review will make the wait seem longer. Can't wait to ride
Awesome! Enjoy it! I can't wait to have more time to ride this one (pre-Beta) -Paul
What's the discount on the beta compared to the CAD $5200 projected priced on their site?
@@skycastle201 @RiderGuide Just noticed your question. Instead of (all USD) $4,000, it's $3,000 and then you receive $500 back if you complete the beta tester requirements. So, it is $2,500 instead of $4,000. Unfortunately the beta is delayed until August.
This scooter is pretty and looks sturdy. I'm not feeling the price tag at $4,000. Pretty steep. Love your videos. Thanks.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it! We spent a ton of time on this one! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I would love to know your thoughts or see a YT review on the Isinwheel X3 Pro. Thanks.
I don't know that one! I swear, I learn about a new scooter in the comments section of every video! I'm looking it up right now! Thanks! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Nice! Hope to see a video on the X3 in the near future. Great videos.
@nicolebozeman2647
I see it now on their site! Interesting! We reviewed something that looks very similar, called the Mercane Jubel.
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I love the phone mount and app control. Amazing 😊
We do too! -Vosk
Looks sweet. Waiting for the City Pro 22 to go back on sale or for a 23 version to come out this year and I'll be part of the cool crew.
Great scooter! Someone else correctly pointed out that the City Pro also has a dedicated regen lever. Love that feature! -Paul
I actually own that scooter and it’s awesome. -Vosk
Yeah mate come join the City Pro posse, you won't regret it, like floating on a cloud when you ride one. FYI.... An upgrade kit is coming in June so if I were you I'd buy a 22 model now and add an upgrade kit in 3 months time.
I just got the city Pro. I use it every day as a rain or shine commuter. Its kind of like the Pro's little brother. Looks similar with some of the same features. 1000w puts it in a more pedestrian category but still quite fast and powerful. My biggest issue so far is that the throttle sticks down in full acceleration sometimes. kind of dangerous actually. Will try to use some lithium grease on it.
@Timothy Germann Get onto whomever you bought the scooter from and have the throttle replaced FREE. I had the same issue and recently I reached out to the sales team in which I purchased the scooter from and I took it into their Apollo repairer. Everything was taken care of via them through Apollo and it didn't cost me a cent. There are updated throttles (V8 I think?) that fix this issue (with raised buttons for more precise control) Ask Apollo directly as they will know. My City Pro came with the original throttles (indented buttons) which are difficult to press particularly with gloves on. When I got my new and improved throttle upgrade it made a world of difference. Hope this helps
Definitely one of my fav guys to fome to fir scooter reviews i wish i had an apollo go but im checking out the gforce s10 right now from walmart only $400 right now its a steal. Also gotrax gx1 & 2 look really cool.
you should make a video on the segway e2 plus i know you have already made one on the regular e2 but i’m getting an e2 plus for christmas and im wondering if it could do my day to day shopping and going out with friends. Keep on riding. ❤
Cool idea!
I'm one of those 100 beta testers. I'm very excited to ride it to and from work. I love my Phantom but have no use for 2 scooters. I'll likely give the Pro to my roommate after testing.
That’s awesome! Enjoy your new scooter -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Looking forward to it.
Very appealing I like the illumination and the portability, easy to carry onto a bus or load into a vehicle!
At 72 running the 12 miles to my friends house is getting more difficult after work all other forms transportation to her house either cost more than I want to spend or take almost as long as running there, the only other thing to consider is Fridays I make a trip that is 19 miles is it able to make a 40 mile loop on one charge? A lot more to the story but already too long!
thanks for the info.
It would be dicey going 40 miles in one charge unless you are on flat ground going 15mph.
I think it’s also a little large for carrying onto a bus. In a pinch, you could do it, but it’s 95.6lbs. -Paul
Thanks, guess I would have to find a place to charge it, something to think about!
I have been advocating for 12+ inch wheel+tires for years. It is about time the volume is going to pick up.
Let’s go! -Paul
I currently have a Dualtron City. Ive been searching for another escooter similar to my City this Apollo Pro is very similar.. same weight, big tires, same price, same speed/range. but the Pro has more bells and whistles. The blinkers, the sounds, and the design 😍
It’s a nice and day difference for sure!
It looks great but I love my City Pro 2022, so civilized and is also a work of art. Also the city pro has amazing regenerative break’s almost all I use!
Totally agree! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
excellent review. i just emailed their CS to ask when it will ship out. i am ready to pull the trigger!
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Which I had seen this video before today. That scooter is gorgeous. I just bought the Segway GT1. It’s very comfortable. My only problem would be that it is very big and doesn’t look as cool. It looks like a commercial scooter u rent on downtown somewhere. My other issue is that in sports/race mode. The range is only like 19 miles. Which isn’t as practical for riding to work. I love the inmotion RS. It’s fast and looks great! The price point though is more than my current budget.
Good job on this video. I've never riden one of these things. I'm going to try one out.
Go for it! -Vosk
Great video. I picked up my Apollo Pro 2023 today. One thing I noticed is that on Pg. 13 in the manual, it states that there’s a hook on the front stem when folded to lock at the end of the deck. That hook or clip on the stem does not exist which made me confused. I know in your video it did state that the scooter will not be able to be clip to the back stem.
Thanks for the kind words! -Vosk
Great review of (probably) my next scooter. 🤟
Review most likely coming tomorrow! -Vosk
This is the first scooter that's made me consider switching to a 1 car family with a scooter as the second vehicle. I'd be interested to see what the real world range is on it. Apollo tends to under promise and over deliver, which I love. I just don't know whether they have done that here as well or not.
Should be an amazing scooter! -Vosk
I like it, it is beautiful. However, I still do not like the awkward positive rake or higher front end suspension compared to the rear.
I expect that may change by the time they get to production. On the other hand, while it doesn't look as nice as when a scooter is riding perfectly level, I feel like scooters feel better jumping off of curbs and braking if they have a little bit of a "Carolina Squat" to them. -Paul
Since you mentioned the range test was mostly aggressive riding, Just out of curiosity, do you guys think it would be possible to get 90kms of range out of the scooter if riding at about 50 km/hour and on relatively flat ground?
Asking since they mention "up to 100km of range" on their website
Definitely not at 50km/hour. You'd need to be going about 25km/hr to get close to that range on flat ground. It's pretty typical for manufacturers to quote max range which is usually at 12 to 15 mph and also typical for us to get 50 to 60% of that. -Paul
I really wish they had some way to use a bike lock to secure the scooter if you need to go into a store or something while out and about.
A folding lock through the handle would do the trick. I think scooter manufacturer's may be reluctant to include physical locks as part of the product, because you can imagine the sorts of customer service phone calls it would cause, such as: "I locked my scooter and now it won't unlock" or "I locked my scooter, and now my scooter is gone. Why is your lock so easy to defeat?"
I have this vision of cities having anchor-points installed in the sidewalk, and then scooters could drop anchor into the anchor points. So a whole bike-rack (scooter-rack in this case) would just be a series of metal bumps on the ground that scooters could anchor to using drop-down anchors. It would be so cool and lightweight. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks. I understand. I'd just like something incorporated into the scooter design that will allow a lock to be securely used. Up to the owner to choose a lock.
Thank you for the review.
Glad it was helpful! -Vosk
Our pleasure! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
interesting choice with the drum brakes, time will tell as to whether this was a good design choice especially given the market for this level of product almost certainly (at least currently) all demand Hydraulic Disk...
The dedicated regen brake is a game changer! -Vosk
Hey Paul, Can you tell me what level of speed drop did you see on a hill climb…flat ground versus the climb?
For the hill climb, I start from a dead stop. It will go 30mph+ up most hills. -Paul
Do we know what the motor wattages are yet in the final model?
Hey Paul, Do you know how long in inches the Apollo Pro is from tip to tail?
Paul, do you have plans to check the hill performance of the 2023 Pro? I am 225 lbs and have a few 12 degree hills to get home on but don’t want the speed to drop off to like 6mph on the hill. I want to get the Pro but am concerned the the 12 inch wheels might rob the climb ability. Thanks for all the great vids!
You keep saying it's slow but To me 40mph is enough lol, heck I'm happy @30mph, it's comfortable on a commute! Thanks for the first showing, going back to your Vista video I asked questions that still need answers, I'd appreciate if you'd go back to answer, thanks! 🎉
On a scooter, I almost never want to go faster than 40mph.
Mitchell reviewed the Vista. I've been so deep into the Apollo Pro that I didn't get a chance to ride the Vista yet! I'll let him know you have questions! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks, Paul!
Thx Paul ..first time seen an Apollo.., do look cool.. cheers 🥳🍍🥥😍😍
Glad you enjoyed it
Very pricey, but most likely my favorite Scooter ! Thanks guys for your great review!
Our pleasure! -Vosk
Thanks so much! It's an absolute favorite at ESG now and I can't stop looking at it! -Paul
A real turning point in scooter design for sure. Hoping to see more manufacturer's replicate this while bringing the cost down :P
Hopefully they can! -Vosk
Great video! I'm thinking of getting a scooter as a graduation gift for possible future commute and fun. The Pro seems like a great option, but it may be too expensive for me. Do you think it's really worth an extra $2000+ over the City Pro or Phantom? Is there one of these three (or another brand/model) that you would recommend? Thanks!
Any 3 would be great for most commutes but the pro just adds luxury, features and more technology then the other 2! But you will not be disappointed with any of them. -Vosk
I could see that in the back of the cyber truck. Looks great
It sure does! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
Can’t wait for the full GT2 vs. Apollo Pro video. The GT2 firmware update is pretty game changing!
Should be an amazing video for sure! -Vosk
There was a gt2 firmware update?? Shit i need to do that
I just got picked for the beta testing ride. It should be here soon. 😊
Hope you enjoy it! Let us know how it goes. -Vosk
If Apollo gets the build quality right on this one, they're definitely going to turn me from a hater to a fanboy. I'd take this for days over a GT2. The design is so clever.
I haven't watched the final cut of the video yet, so I don't know if this made it in there, but I jumped it off of the loading dock at ESG to check the frame strength! The scooter came out of it perfect. My neck, not so much! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide lol I definitely want to see that. I get the feeling from a lot of commenters on Reddit that they just don't get what this scooter is for. It's for me, dammit!
Reddit is so weird. I feel like the m365 and Ninebot Max are the only scooters that forum has ever liked. ESG (Chuck) is the founder of that subreddit, by the way. We have very little influence over what happens there though. Others moderate, not us. -Paul
I submitted my application, perfect timing. My scooter just developed a stem crack 😁
Sorry to hear about your other scooter! You're going to love the Pro. It's one of my all time favorites right now, and I can't wait to see the app when it has full light and sound control! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you Paul, and it’s alright, I really put the scooter through the ringer. I was avoiding it, but ultimately knew that it was going to happened one day. Maybe the Beta Announcement is a sign. Thank you guys for the great videos and reviews!
Thank you for watching and commenting! This whole comments section is the best. I'm supposed to be taking the day off today, but can't stop reading these great comments. Makes it all worthwhile! -Paul
After analyzing questions came? How the phone is hold? what about with phones with heavy case for "Protection" ?
The quad lock will hold it very securely! -Vosk
Night Shoots of those lights.. reminds me of Leqi Smart A8
Can't wait for it!
It’s a stunning scooter! -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide looking forward to the beta!
Sweet! I wish I had more time to ride it! I'm definitely coming back to ride this more as soon as I can! -Paul
Nice review & an amazing looking scooter. Although we can buy them in the UK they aren't legal to use on public roads 😂 so I'll stick with my £500 one for now but if they do change the laws (hopefully) I'd definitely spend on this
The future of safety,love the bigger wheels for pot holes,awsome
For sure! We have so many potholes here! -Paul
Could the disapointing top speed caused by the off road tires? I mean to actually achieve the 70 km/h you need the street tires?
Street tires should add an additional 3-5 miles per hour! -Vosk
good afternoon the scooter is very cool. The design is chic.
Thank you! We agree! -Paul
Nice overview video! Re the beta program, I was selected a couple of days ago. Still considering whether or not the benefits for both parties is appropriately aligned/balanced. For example, beta testers come in two main categories... 1) The technical/Engineering/e-whatever experienced, and 2) Everyone else, including eScooter advocates, influencers, etc. Apollo benefits from input from both groups, and the beta testers should, of course, include testers from the entire spectrum of e-scooter riders. However, if Apollo is looking for input from a more technical/engineering perspective, I would suggest they consider bifurcating the terms and conditions for each group - to better balance benefit being provided to both parties. Looking forward to seeing this one hit the market!
Awesome! Enjoy your new ride. -Vosk
Congrats! Since you were selected a couple of weeks ago, when will you receive the 🛴 to review it? 🤔
@@ROBB_DEEP I chose not to accept the terms of the beta test program, namely the price - basically, just a presale and presale prices. This thing will never sell for the "Suggested MSRP"... Way over priced when compared to other reputable scooters that have better specs all around.
@@user-er2xn2vv6o Oh, ok. 🤝🏾
@@user-er2xn2vv6o What would be the sweet spot for a good price on this V6 Pro? I see where their Black Friday sale would bring down the price to just under $3400. It's tempting to me at that price, I just don't know enough about Apollo's customer service reputation, to trust that big of a purchase to chance.
Excellent review Paul!
Any chance you could score a Bronco Vnom or Vnom Fury soon?! I’d love to see those reviewed.
Thanks so much! We have had the *toughest* time getting our hands on a Bronco of any kind. I just need 30 minutes and a full charge so I can do some speeeeed runs! I don't know if it's ever going to happen, but we'll keep trying. It almost feels like some scooter companies don't want us to test their scooters cough cough Rion cough cough. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Mate that’s brilliant. Thanks for the reply! I’ve literally watched every review you guys have done. There are NO English reviews on the Vnoms! Such a shame really. I wonder why? They seem like a solid scooter.
I feel like some companies have great raw performance, but not the best distribution. -Paul
I think it's a little pricey at $4k, but I do like everything about it. Particularly nice that you can track and remotely lock it "just in case," and that it has wireless phone charging. One thing you didn't mention is how does a phone stay attached? I didn't see you put straps or anything around it to keep it attached when moving.
It’s a little pricey but you are getting tons of features and technology in a nice package. -Vosk
I had the worst experience with apollo scooter tires, I went for budget with Air model. Maybe I should give it a try again?
One of the hard things to get used to with scooter tires (all of them) is that they have almost 10X the surface-area-to-volume ratio that car tires do. So, they need air once a week to keep them at spec. When they fall below spec, then you're in danger of getting pinch flats from potholes and even sharp edges like rolling into driveways.
One of the advantages of the Pro (two, come to think of it) are tubless tires, which are more resistant to pinch flats, and the fact that they're 12" in diameter means that when you fo hit a pothole, the impact is spread out wider through the tire, so they resist damage better. The newer Apollo Air scooters have Aramid reinforced tires, which are pretty good as far as scooter tires go, but the Pro's tires should be significantly better. -Paul
so i am going to purchase the apollo tomorrow and i cannot make up my mind between the V2 60V or the V3... i really love the V3 and its features but i also like the 1400w motors and the 60V battery it offers
Both are awesome but speed is not much of a difference and the v3 is def good option to have fun/commute. -Vosk
Absolutely fantastic 😎
Thank you! Cheers! -Vosk
Thanks for the detailed review! The new Apollo Phantom V3 and the upcoming Pro are definitively on my short list. I really like the look of the Pro and the fact it has higher water and dust proofing which I think should become standard in the industry if they expect people to use these devices for transportation. Exciting times
For sure! I've been a rain-or-shine motorcycle rider for more than 20 years and never think twice about taking my motorcycle out in the pouring rain. So I'm very excited to see things heading in the vehicle-grade direction! -Paul
Another comment I’d make is that for the money - I’d have expected a bit more range? Of course that comes with weight… but 30-odd real world miles seems low-ish to me.
The one that surprises me even more is the GT2 because it's 20lbs heavier and within 1 mile of the same range as the Pro. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Agreed. For me personally they both need more range for money to consider buying over Nami et-al - even though they’re admittedly different offerings. Thanks again for your great content. Look forward to the next one Paul. Love your work. 👍🏼👊🏼👏
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your comments. It's been a rough few weeks and this comments section is making it all worthwhile! -Paul
I ride my Dualtron Thunder 50 miles round trip to work. - Would love to see how the AP rides day in day out. - Agree with other posters, for ~$4k I balk....mainly because a beastly Dualtron Storm
Limited can be had for about the same investment.
Thunder is a good scooter! We like it
Hey Paul, which scooter has a smooth throttle on take-off? I currently have the KQi3 Pro and it's pretty good. Your ideas? Sine-wave controllers?
Yes sinewave controllers are smoother! -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks for your response and time.
Great video info.
Thanks for watching! -Vosk
In this video I did not hear about the battery. How long battery last in one charge and how long does it take to charge. Is battery easily replaceable?
Range test results are in the video!
Apollo make the best looking scooters out there, and this is their best so far, the only thing I miss is their hexagonal display
This seriously looks even better in person. It's really striking how different it looks from anything we've seen before! -Paul
I would like hydraulic suspension at the rear too
Would be good if you guys talked a bit more about batteries, cell brand, kwh etc is pretty important choice for many
So weird. The video editor left out pretty much all of the specs we usually put on screen!
1560 Watt-hours, 21700 cells (was in the script but got cut). Historically Apollo has used Dynavolt cells which aren't Samsung or LG, but are the next best thing. I assume they're using Dynavolt here as well. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Really appreciate the fast reply! No problem makes sense you usually cover those things. This was my fear, yes Dynavolt is good but at this price point I expect great, Samsung, Panasonic or LG's should be used. Even from a marketing standpoint name brand cells would establish more prestige for the product. That is a decent battery size though i'll give them that!
I was speaking with some BMS engineers recently and they were telling me that with the right BMS almost any battery can be made super safe. Of course, that's what BMS engineers would say, but it stuck with me. I'm curious to see the long term advantage of Apollo's smart BMS. We almost never talk about BMS, but maybe this is the beginning. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide = The specs show that the Pro has a 21700 SAMSUNG lithium battery. Also confirmed in one of their recent videos. 👍👍👍
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide That would be awesome, even if you did seperate 'deep dive' episodes some more tech specs and digging around would go a long way for some of us
How much weight might it take,and does this rate against others up steep hill's?
The rider weight limit is 330lbs. (sorry, the stats we always include in our videos somehow got left out on this one. They will all be in the web-version of the review on our site). It will climb pretty much any hill, but if you were in a race against the world's fastest hill climbers... Out of the 121 scooters we've hill-climb tested this comes in 21st, just behind the Wolf Warrior 11 and Wolf Warrior X GT. -Paul
Wondering if you think this is worth it for someone that likely cant ride all 12 months out of the year due to snow? Also wondering if/when there's going to be a GoTrax GX3 review!!
We will be reviewing that soon!
Are the handlebars adjustable? I'm 6' 5" so I'm always looking at whether scooters, or clothes or whatever will fit me easily. Is this scooter appropriate for tall riders? Thanks.
Not adjustable but should be good for your height! It’s a large scooter
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you for this reply! Actually getting a response to a question in the comments section has never happened to me before. My already high opinion of you guys just went up even higher!
Great review! Thanks paul! I reserved one!!can’t wait but do u think it’s worth $4k? If I’m gonn spend that kinda money i hope to get 5/10k miles out of it!? I’m mostly looking for something with the 12”!self sealing tires and regen! I get around 25/30miles of range on my 21 wolf warrior, sounds like this can get more with smaller, more efficient battery? Build does look incredible def cybertruck/macbook lookin😂!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide do u know where I can find some 10” self sealing tires for my kaabo wolf warrior x? Thanks
That's a great question. Apollo has self sealing 10" tires on the City Pro, but I'm not 100% sure they would fit, or if you have to have an Apollo serial number to buy them.
If there is any scooter in the world that will go 5 to 10k miles, this is it. I think this scooter is really targeting daily riding and super high miles. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks! If they offer the explore or phantom with self sealing tires that might b a good option to!( more my price range) do u think 52v 30ah will make a huge difference? My wolf warrior is 60v/28ah and goes a bit slower up hills, I’m a 220lb rider. I thought about the city pro but 48v is not enough power for me or range. Thansk
That's a beautiful scooter....can't wait to get mine...
Good choice! -Vosk
Owner of Apollo air, I have made my down payment for the pro! Thanks!
That’s awesome! Enjoy your new ride. It’s an amazing machine. -Vosk
Same. I am hooked
I love ergonomic handgrips, it’s the only improvement I’d make aside from an unrealistic 30 lb weight loss (I require stairs mobility).
Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
I'd love to buy a similar kickstand for my '22 Apollo.
Most like not compatible!
Since it doesn't seem super obvious, where are the charge ports located?
Near the neck area!
What’s the diameter of the handlebars? Are they compatible with universal bike accessories?
Should be standard!
It's crazy we're living in times where a 42mph scooter's not really considered all that fast. And its 0-30 speed is kinda on the "slow" side. I just ordered a Wolf King GT Pro and honestly, I don't think I'll ever have the cajones to try to hit top speed. I'm also a little chicken about the 0-30 speed the Wolf in mode 4 or 5 lol. 42's still super quick for normal non suicidal people. And the 7.9 0-30 here would still be pretty good. Maybe not blistering fast, but it also wouldn't make the tires chirp and the front one go airborne for a moment either.
This looks like an awesome scooter, I love how your phone can become the screen, if Apollo lets you customize what's on the display it would be extra sweet.
My Apollo Phantom V2 60V goes 43mph but the speed isn't for racing. In my opinion...it's dangerous to ride in the streets if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic light to light. Not every road has a bike lane or sidewalk and that's when at least 35mph of speed is needed to flow with traffic. I'd say going over 60mph on a scooter is about the limit cuz any accident at that speed can be fatal
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
@@lamar310 While I agree about the speed on streets with no bike lane. I'd think if a cop wanted to pull you over for riding down a normal street like a car you'd probably end up losing your scooter. Or at least get a huge ticket.
I know at least in So Cal they don't care about if you speed on a scooter in a bike lane. I don't know how they'll react to me flying 45 on my Wolf King down a non bike lane road lol. Hopefully they'd let me go with a stern warning.
Yeah that's my issue with it too, the 0-30 for this price point. GT2 is 3.9s. I wish they would change that before release. at least add a boost mode that run for a short duration.
Great looking scooter! Wonder if we'll be able to get it in the EU. Nice they keep the weight below 50kg aswell, the Segway GT-series is just too much vehicle for a standup scooter IMHO.
That would be cool!
I expect that it will come to the EU, but I don't know for sure. The Beta units are North America only. -Paul
Nice looking ride!
It sure is! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk