I think the reason Henry/Bud was left in the snow and not rescued is because the emergency personnel couldn't see him, similar to when Jo was seemingly unseen or heard by the cleaners emptying her office. I think sometimes the characters phase out of whichever universe they're in temporarily, either as an after effect or a precursor to switching universes. 😊
I can get behind this. Also like when the Alice's are talking in the cupboard and neither Magnus or Jo can see them, only the tape recorder. @@kristineclevenger6705
I agree as when Henry/Bud got to the snow part both Alices where there in the distorted mirror space and Jo told other Alice to go back to her father, then shortly after that Jo was back in the second space ready to be rescued, but as Henry/Bud was not conscious he was still in that distorted mirror space until he woke up and everyone was gone.
The man/men that Jo see's at the facility is Vladimir Illyushin! Illya says in ep3 while thy are walking to Paul's grave (after Jo shows them the pic of Irena in her USSR suit) "You know I heard from a guy that Gararin was not first in space. It was Vladimir Illyushin, But he crashed in China so they brought him home and locked him up."
I think the CAL might be in Jo, that’s why she was able to see both men upstairs, also the way Paul was looking at both arms, (remember his arm was crushed in space) that may be the dead Paul back to life somehow and the dead Jo back alive somehow in space (remember they left the body up there)…I don’t know…but something about the CAL getting destroyed may have caused some funky quantum resurrections lol
this is a genius theory. the implication of Paul swapping though....is that the one who didn't die (and left Jo's body in space) is now buried 6ft underground. UNLESS the Paul who was shot actually died and the other Paul's consciousness shifted into this body since this universe is its "home" universe?
Jo definitely has a close relationship with the CAL, as does Alice & to some extent Magnus. They are linked as a family. My impression was that Paul was surveying the medical tubes attached to his arms, but I watched again & see the possibility of his seeing 2 intact arms also. I never accepted that Jo immediately died after the horrid eye injury. To me, her breathing indicated a comatose state. In that state can her subtle body leave & move around the ISS? She pushed the red button. Her body will decay, or does the CAL energy prolong the life force? It's all mysterious.
Something no one is mentioning is that there are three cassette players. We saw two in this episode, but one melted in the cabin fire. This further supports the idea that we've been watching three universes.
I was thinking the same with the "third Cabin", the colors and everything madme think it was some kind of "interdimentional connection point" but not exactly a dimension like the other 2 . Now that i think of it, there was a cat, then a dead cat, and both at the same place/time, might have been "the same" cat.
Wouldn’t it be “four”, since one of them has a dead cat, an additional black cat, and the other abandoned cabin only has the one cat alive? I think it’s more like those universes’ “upside down” version of each other (like stranger things).
The cassette player thing confused the hell out of me. We saw one of them burn up and I think the other was dropped in the snow or something (I could be remembering wrong). Then in the finale we see both of them magically back in the homes of both Alices. I don't understand that at all. I also wonder why they had to communicate with each other that way. Henry and Bud, who are also quantum-entangled, communicated solely by talking to each other in the mirror, no cassette player needed. The Alices could see each other in the mirrors, but they needed the cassette player. I think that was probably just used as a fun plot device TBH. Finally, I found it strange that the Alices were quantum-entangled without having been to space. I could explain it if they only interacted when they were near the CAL but they interacted even when it wasn't around. I think one of their necklaces was up in space with Jo and then brought back, so maybe the necklace served as a bridge?
I don’t expect last episode to explain everything but this one left so much out! Anyways, am I the only one who think Paul switched as well? The way he looked at his hands, looking surprised…oh well in two years when season 2 comes we may confirm.
@@stmusic2164 I think he meant, that Paul switched AGAIN, back in his original world (where the alive Jo is now). So the scene in episode 8, where he wakes up in the hospital and looks at his hands
The two men in the room is her being able to see both worlds at the same time, similar to the cabin. So that same man is probably in that same room in her original universe as well.
I think the comment made to Joe about her not letting the mystery go eventually leading to her “splitting into two” is inferring that when a person switches places with their counterpart of another universe and doesn’t mentally adapt to their new life in their new universe, it can lead to them somehow being susceptible to having the consciousnesses of themselves from both universes swapped. Irene left the one universe in the 60s or whatever and went to the other and she maybe kept investing into what had happened to herself and it caused her to be alive in her new universe, as well as giving some form of animation or partial life into her corpse still orbiting in space though now occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart from the universe she now lives in. I think that’s what we’re seeing with Paul waking up with so much surprise in the hospital bed at the end of the finale. We’re seeing maybe the mind of the Paul that died in space, returning to his proper universe where he’d just been shot by bud. Paul had kept asking questions and kept investigating and it opened him up to being displaced between universes. In the article shown in the video above, the interview with the show runner also had him stating that the persons emotional state also played a factor in their ability to become displaced between universes. Obviously the most blatant example is Joe herself. She’s the most emotionally distraught character and is experiencing the most displacement bleed-through. And in the end I think we’re seeing this causing her corpse on the iss in her origin universe to get some sort of life, though occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart as a result. As an aside, I also concluded that the characters are being displaced between universes only in a psychological capacity. Their consciousnesses are moving but their bodies are remaining and being occupied by the consciousnesses of their counterparts. I think this explains why Joe can play the piano when she originally could not in her origin universe. I think the skill of playing an instrument is inferred to create a physical change the brain and that she inherited the skill as the new occupant of the brain that had learned to play the piano. Damn. I’m like… 75% sure I just figured this thing out.
@@AfrooBlack It will be interesting to see the baby's experience of reality. My guess is that Season 2 will begin a few years into the future, when Alice's sibling can talk. Some people are finding this episode frustrating, but I find it to be many steps forward in revelations. My interest continues.
I think the comment made to Joe about her not letting the mystery go eventually leading to her “splitting into two” is inferring that when a person switches places with their counterpart of another universe and doesn’t mentally adapt to their new life in their new universe, it can lead to them somehow being susceptible to having the consciousnesses of themselves from both universes swapped. Irene left the one universe in the 60s or whatever and went to the other and she maybe kept investing into what had happened to herself and it caused her to be alive in her new universe, as well as giving some form of animation or partial life into her corpse still orbiting in space though now occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart from the universe she now lives in. I think that’s what we’re seeing with Paul waking up with so much surprise in the hospital bed at the end of the finale. We’re seeing maybe the mind of the Paul that died in space, returning to his proper universe where he’d just been shot by bud. Paul had kept asking questions and kept investigating and it opened him up to being displaced between universes. In the article shown in the video above, the interview with the show runner also had him stating that the persons emotional state also played a factor in their ability to become displaced between universes. Obviously the most blatant example is Joe herself. She’s the most emotionally distraught character and is experiencing the most displacement bleed-through. And in the end I think we’re seeing this causing her corpse on the iss in her origin universe to get some sort of life, though occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart as a result. As an aside, I also concluded that the characters are being displaced between universes only in a psychological capacity. Their consciousnesses are moving but their bodies are remaining and being occupied by the consciousnesses of their counterparts. I think this explains why Joe can play the piano when she originally could not in her origin universe. I think the skill of playing an instrument is inferred to create a physical change the brain and that she inherited the skill as the new occupant of the brain that had learned to play the piano. Damn. I’m like… 75% sure I just figured this thing out.
Thank heavens for your 75%, that really helped me a lot, so thank you for thinking that through and for writing it out in such a coherent way - I will need to reread it a few times to make sure I fully understand this show. Phew, sci-fi can be a mindfugg at times!
I thought it was interesting that the red alice, as she left the house with her dad and was concluding to accept their reality was wearing a red-blue-yellow jacket. For me that’s hinting at accepting that all three states/realities exist.
The thing that pisses me off is how is Jo in the ISS alive in any way after her eye socket was sucked out into SPACE with assumingly a good part of her BRAIN !!!! Literally a gaping hole in her head how tf is she alive and how is the space station stable with that big ass hole in the window ???????
Reminds me of how they dropped the ball with Lost but that show maintained its momentum for the first couple of seasons at least. The later seasons were designed to turn the intrigue up to 11. Eventually, things became so chaotic that they were incomprehensible even to the writers themselves. I don't understand why Constellation didn't give us more exposition about the causes of the bizarre phenomenon that propelled the plot forward. That ending left us underwhelmed, like being denied just before climax (apologies for the rather vulgar analogy). Feeling obscurely worse, really.
I think it's intentional. When paul showed up to bud's his car time was 2200. When "bud" dialed 911 his phone said 2100. No way they messed up three different edits. Unless bud was in a different time zone.
My thoughts: Paul wakes up in the hospital room, but he wakes up as Red Paul, and is stunned to see he has his arm back. Red Joe is put back in the correct spot and wakes up in the ISS with one eye. Not shown, but Bud will likely wake up in a literal prison of his own making.
This might be a reach but maybe time did get messed up with the Cal. Was the sonogram showing “twins” and were they the ones upstairs. The one saw her and kept calling her mamma.
That makes too much sense. Irena could be lying about him being the first man in space. She has no reason to come clean on anything except what she got caught on 😵💫
Saint Sergius, the hospital, is named after the duo of Sergius and Bacchus. They were 2 officers in the roman army who were secretly christian in a pagan world. These beliefs eventually became there death. Interesting choice of the writers to choose for these saints.
Is Jo having twins? Are the 2 men that call her mama her twins? I know I’m the only one that thinks this but I can’t get past them calling her mama just when she finds out she’s pregnant. I realize that for them to be Jo’s twins time cannot be linear. I there is theory that the past, present and future are all happening at the same time. Could this be happening on the show? Lots of questions! Oh so ISS Jo is half alive and half dead in the liminal reality. 🤷🏻♀️
The two men in the room who call her MaMa will turn out to be her now unborn child exisiting in the moment and spit in two as coming from both worlds.and is a time shift
break into two could mean, if you don't forget about the 2 realities, you might bring the other you over. The man calling Jo Mama could be another hint to indeed travelling in time - pregnant with twins. To me the whole show looks like as if somebody watched Dark and then said, hey, we can do this too :D
Since I was one of many who almost dreaded this final episode, having been hurt and betrayed by other finales (i.e. "Lost" syndrome), I enjoyed the episode, and found myself quite satisfied. Even more satisfied than the cop-out final episode of Manifest. That being said, I really enjoy the options for a possible season 2 -- but if it doesn't happen. I'm ok. I guess, just like Jo, I was placated by the ending. What a great series!! Thanks for your commentaries, Dizmodo!
One idea I had about why Valya and Jo are alive, even though their body is essentially dead... the thought being that since THAT body's consciousness swapped with the alternate universe, then she cannot die unless her consciousness is brought back to her body. Since the consciousness that belongs to the body she currently inhabits is in HER original body, then theoretically the consciousness is still alive, but in a dead body. It seems very plausible considering Irena said she felt like "floating endlessly around the earth"... which her actual body is doing in that moment. So it would make since that Valya is manipulating Alice somehow in the hopes of eventually getting back to her own body.
It was the same for me. After Henry waking up in the snow, ignored by the rescue units, I was distracted and I was waiting for an explanation the rest of the episode.
I like the idea of Paul switching but my first interpretation was that he dreamed about his other self losing his arm and woke up from a nightmare in shock that it wasn’t real and that he had an arm, little does he know his dream was him living his other self’s experience.
One of the guy is the room says « Mama » the other one says « Бога нет » which is attributed to Yuri Gagarin and means there is no God (in the stars). You can even see poster of it in the nursery.
I think "Blue Jo" is dead. At least as dead as "Blue Irena/Valya". 1. There was not really an explaination why "Red Jo", "Henry" and maybe both "Alice-Versions" had moments when they saw the mummified "Valya"? 2. There was also not an explaination how the dead body of "Valya" was into both universes causing both ISS accidents? (She was also seen floating away in the Universe where "Paul Lancaster" survived. But since they made no spacewalk in the "Lancaster survives"-version and no one freed the body after the crash... where there two different versions of "dead Valya"? 3. Then there is the biggest Question about "Blue Jo": She seems to be at the ISS where the Pad of "Red Jo" is? If ESA-, or NASA-Astronauts or Russian Cosmonauts would start a salvation mission to the damaged ISS what (or who) will they find? 4. Again, "Dead Valya". "Dead Valya" seems not to be just a "Hallucination or Vision" but she must have communicated, since "Alice" knows her name. And she seems to "haunt" people for her own reasons. Is it possible that "Dead Jo" will also start to haunt people? Both "Dead Valya" and "Dead Jo" have the same thing in common now: A dead body in space in the "entanglement zone" and a living counterpart in the wrong universe. 5. In the very last scene, "Dead Jo" grabbed the I-Pad of "Red Jo". She can move and interact with physical objects. In both versions of the survivors, "Blue Paul" and "Red Jo", the ISS computer tells them, that the capsule can not undock, unless two person on the ISS do the needed work manually. "Undead Red Jo", who can grab and hold I-Pads, may be the explaination why the capsule undocked. But I think the message, how TWO PERSONS were necessary to undock the capsule, was a hint? Maybe "Undead Jo" is not alone on the ISS? 6. Since "Undead Blue Jo" is able to move and interact with objects, is it possible that "Undead Valya" was also able to do this and crashed into the ISS on purpose, for her own reasons? I mean, maybe "Undead Valya" knows that "Red Valya/Irena" will soon die and she is afraid of what will happen to her when she is floating in her undead state forever when her living counterpart is dead? (So maybe crashing in he ISS was not a bad intention but she wanted to be found before "Red Valya/Irena" is dead?) I want a second season. Even if the show already seems more like a supernatural "Space Ghost Story" than a Science-Fiction-Story. (Also I love Noomi Rapace. So I want a second season anyway.)
The CAL is an observational window into the multiverse and while it allows contact, it only is observational. While it isn’t spinning off universes itself, it is allowing opportunities for universes to be created through observation. it is a box for the cat to be placed in with the subjective output being life and death at the same time. As infinite universes are created with the direction of every acted on decision, this opens a window to discuss Schrödingers postulate through actions, experiences and consequences. The first astronaut, Irena, and Bud all went into “the cat box” with the additional perk of being able to observe the outcomes experientially becoming cognizant of their rolls in multiple entangled universes. All without the CAL. It appears that entanglement is exacerbated by the CAL as blue and red alice were able to take advantage of the observational bridges between universes by close contact with the CAL. It would be interesting to know what is the natural universe splitter that is occurring without the CAL to the astronauts, something to do with the magnetic field protecting us all from cognitively experiencing multiple universes. Perhaps?
I think that the "natural universe splitter" is the condition of liminality itself - the condition of not being observed - thus freeing the quantum nature of the universe from having to choose one reality over all others. I think that the CAL is a quantum computer - and quantum computers work on this exact principle - except that the CAL creates a superposition field that surrounds the people who are close to it.
it's entirely possible that they both old men are actually there due to that whole area upstairs being a very liminal looking space (similar to the cabin and both Alice's seeing each other).
Why do we think Irena said “my friends call me Valya”. Is she trying to trick Alice because she knows she has been seeing her in her dreams? It seemed on purpose that she said that …
I noticed that no one payed attention to the last episode's name. So i'm gonna leave it here. It was: These fragments i have shored against my ruin. And it is by T.S Eliot. I was puzzled at first by the episode and then i saw the title and it all clicked.
The viewer assumes there are only two realities and so we assume all the characters are doubles/swaps of one another. But they’re not. The main clue is that both astronauts are in different realities, which if there’s only one swap wouldn’t have happened - one astronaut would have remained in the same reality and the other would have swapped with their dead double. But everything has shifted for everyone. So as this realisation sinks in as the viewer I’m steadily coming to terms with the sheer hopelessness of it all. We’re never going home. So why is he left in the snow? Well that particular version in the particular reality may have never had the emergency services called out? Even Bud thinks the helix will spin the other way - he thinks we’re dealing with an antimatter kind of deal where everything is reversed. But that’s not the paradigm, infinite versions of them have all just shifted over to another reality. Honestly it gave me chills every time some kind of inconsistency happened.
I can get on board with this explanation, it feels all right in a wrong kind of way. Which is what a shifting of all the universes would feel like, methinks.
Just started watching this vid. I’m certain the blue car at the end was a different model than the one in previous episodes. I believe this could point to multiples instead of just the two. Or maybe we’ve seen multiples for the whole series.
I think the point of the CAL as a crossing point is that it now creates a crossing point in your hands essentially, although they don't really understand how to trigger it yet. Because to that point, they only knew of space as being that "liminal place".
Bud left overnight in the snow was a terrible way to start the finale. It made me expect all plot conveniences were going to be preposterous. I wish we had more answers but I understand they have to keep a lot of plot devices open for potential future seasons. Irena's memo was another eye-roller. Her whole career was keeping this super secret that she's now revealing in an email to ask someone if perchance they've noticed anything unusual? I think it was a writers' mistake for Irena to tell Jo that she can never get back. We know this isn't true because of the Bud/Henry switch. Jo's return was the driving narrative in all of season 1 and now that's gone? The new twins in the hospital and this weird memo just aren't enough enticement.
Irena told Jo there's only 1 upstairs. His traumatized personality split into 2 sides of the same coin. It's all a guess as to who the baby will be, but if the man upstairs is still living when the baby is born, then it won't be him reincarnating. We'll see. Irena's email didn't bother me, as we are each allowed to make new decisions based on insights. Maybe Jo's honesty & sharing with Irena that "It's you" (the dead cosmonaut) & then repeating what Irena said in space about the fire somehow triggered her to send the email. Who knows?
@@Cymonie1 I suppose if Jo got back home the show would end. And tbh I think she should have got home and the show should have ended. This is a *high concept drama* and I doubt it can sustain more than one season.
When Henry asks if his dna spun the other way they had to say no. If it were mirror image the obvious giveaway would be organs on wrong side. But he would also die of starvation because of how our bodies use chiral (molecules that can’t be superimposed on their mirror images). They had to preempt that by saying even though the world is “the wrong way round” his body somehow down to the molecular level switched to the right way round even though his brain etc didn’t
I think the dates on those screens is an oversight. I think the time periods are all overlapping in the “present”. I also think that the ultrasound showing the same pattern as the CAL means that the baby could be the “new CAL” and produce the same effects (whatever those are). 🤷 I definitely didn’t love this finale but I did love the show.
There's also a time discrepancy when paul shows up to bud's and when bud dials 911. That's like three different edits the showrunners would have messed up. Doesn't seem likely.
If they do a second season, I hope the 'A' story is Paul/Henry trying to solve things in the red universe. Jo/Alice/Magnus feels done except for her baby, which can be the 'B' or 'C' story. I don't need to see much more from any of them. Jo and Alice have made peace with the situation, while Paul/Henry feel like they'd want to tackle the larger issue.
The only thing that didn't make sense was that the jo left in the station was still alive with half her head gone , they'll cover that up if it does happen and leave her there to die. The hard part was knowing she had no way of getting back , obviously the girls could still talk but the one who lost her mom was moving away and doing so it would probably break the link they had and the ignorant father just couldn't take his childs word for it , what I do with my family is put them first before anything else and try to help them find the truth what ever it may be , where's the unconditional love there ? The two were battling it alone in both worlds , the men were selfish and I didn't like those characters , that was the saddest thing to see Jo and Alice having to accept the fact that they were powerless . I was hoping that she would make her way back but that imposter smashed the atom and destroyed any possible future for returning to her world and there was no body to return to to begin with . We know our physical bodies are stuck in time and place, but we can move our consciousness into the fourth dimension so there is a way to travel through multiverse without the module, Atom , Meditation exercises used today take us into a much higher plain , why not into the next body . I guess this season is over , I'm hoping it has a second season , this is one of my favorites for shows.
Something that's really bugging me is: if dead Jo is actually alive, what oxygen is she breathing after several weeks when Paul/other Jo were literally running out before they left on Soyuz 1. And if she's dead, how is she not decomposing?? I'm even having my doubts about how "good" her body looked when Paul decided to leave her behind after what I think was at least 2 days dead.
My big presumption is that one-eyed Jo is the one who releases both Jo and Paul so they can return to Earth because we know from the two guys in the cell they can exist in the same dimension. We also know that Jo’s return is “wrong,” but does that mean Paul’s return is to the right dimension?
This show did frustrate me at first, but I actually loved that it didn't spoon-feed us an overly simplistic narrative explaining what's going on, like Dark Matter has done so far. I enjoyed trying to figure out the different universes and the quantum-entangled counterparts to each character. The time discrepancies are the only thing that still frustrate me because that makes zero sense, the differences in the years that you pointed out. You actually noticed one that I haven't seen others notice and that I missed - the 2020 date. WTF? I think if they really intended to introduce different timelines in addition to different universes, that was foolish and nonsensical in an already deeply complex series. I think the astronauts were able to switch with their counterparts before the CAL existed simply because they were in space - there was a quote earlier in the season that said "there's something about space that is wrong." I believe the CAL device created a bridge for people to cross between universes to their quantum-entangled counterpart WHILE ON EARTH, not just in space, and that was a game changer. I think it also was capable of creating a liminal space between the universes where people could interact with their counterparts, which is why we saw the weird in-between universes at the cabin when the device was taken there. And Henry switched places with Bud because Henry was near the CAL device at the cabin and going through a high-stress experience at the same time as Bud, who had just shot Paul (another high-stress experience). Crossing over seems to require a bridge like the CAL and a high-stress or traumatic event occurring on both sides, in my opinion. I think if this show hadn't been canceled, the baby might have served as the new CAL, a bridge point between worlds, because it was conceived by people from two different universes.
I have to disagree that their show is way too much of a theatrical thriller for those clock times to be production mistakes. Sure, it happens, but I used to work in film, and in the editorial process, they always focus on that sort of continuity, and I think it's really important to the story
@@ObiWanShinobi67 Yes. I think that these are indications that Linear time is breaking down. And I also think this is a complication I could have done without.
Bud switched and then fell into snow but wasn’t seen cause it’s like hide and seek can’t be seen, so although we saw him in snow he was actually invisible.
Henry was in the liminal space so he wasn't actually "there", as such they didn't leave him they just never saw him, like Jo in the office scene. Paul coming back is the other Paul. The one who "died" in the other world. The 2 people above are the one in that universe and the other probably in the liminal space or in the other universe. If you look at the email list it's people from the production which is a nice nod - Daniel Rillmann, Anton Heidrich, Scott Kelly (astronaut advisor), Marcel Singer and so on. Finale was great, as, well, it's not a finale its just a pause before next season
I think the “time jumps” are just quantum entanglement not only existing in different places at the same time, but in different times at the same time.
Here it is. The main ingredient isn't actually the CAL, though it might be the cause. The main ingredient is the "lithium". There are 2 different men in the cell upstairs and this is the direct result of not taking the lithium. Valya knows it hence "you will break into 2". Bud was able to crossover because he wasn't taking his pills. Season 2 will see Henry also not taking his pills, maybe because of being incarcerated and he and Bud, who isn't taking his anyway, start to appear in the same time continuum. Jo, still not really satisfied, won't take hers either, so guess who's coming back?? Yep, the one eyed Jo in space. Valya already knows the consequences of not taking hers so the dead Valya won't be back, or maybe. The "lithium" is what stops 2 or more of the same person existing in the same plane.
Lithium is crucial to maintaining sanity & not experiencing schizophrenia. Jo sounds determined to take the pills so she can live with her family, & I hope she holds firm to that decision. We'll see.
I"m pretty sure that Ilya gave Jo the key for her to escape. She left the room with her winter coat on and started to unlock an exterior door, she hears the moaning from upstairs, back tracks to go upstairs and check it out, it's after she sees what she sees she freaks out and heads back to her room, relocks her door and hangs her coat up and curls up in bed.
@@rachelgrig9985 sure, but she doesn't need a big puffy down jacket to go upstairs, so my take is she intended to leave (not probably a smart plan unless she could steal a car, but still) she freaked after seeing two old dudes locked up and bailed on the escape plan. Ilya's nod could also mean get out of here or that upstairs could be you if you don't get out of here.
I think Paul switched back when he woke up abruptly in the hospital because he was looking at his arms with great amazement. He lost his arm in the space accident. I think he somehow switched back to the other Paul.
@@TheorySmack appreciate all your awesome videos on the series though, my wife and I watched each of them multiple times to try and figure out what was going on. It was a fun ride while it lasted. Best of luck to you with the next one, continued success!
The CAL devise amplifies the crossover phenomena -- makes them more real and allows some communication between the realities. Prior to the CAL, crossovers DO happen -- but with the CAL, they can be percieved more clearly. One of Henry's first comments to Bud was about the CAL (even tho Bud doesn't know about it) and Henry says, It doesn't work and it makes things even worse, leading me to believe that Henry was motivated by understanding or bridging the 2 realities with the CAL. The bigger mystery is why the 2 Alices have a much clearer connection -- as they were never in the vicinity of the CAL -- unless they were affected by the proximity of the IPAD.
First - great editing. Absolutely loved the production value of this video 2 - being a major science nerd, i think the creators kinda put their own twist onto some multiverse theory with a little quantum entanglement sprinkled on. It was a pretty major disappointment to realize that they mixed up some ideas and let the fiction part of sci-fi take precedent when the story needed it. In the interview, they said they tried to stick to the rules that they hinted at. It makes me think that they were more focused on crafting a compelling narrative instead of remaining consistent with some previously established mechanisms for how things were supposed to function. This comment is getting ridiculously long so hopefully I'm able to tune into the livestream and I can elaborate on my thoughts. It would be awesome if you could share a list of topics you'd like to cover during the stream so I and others can gather their thoughts and have some good insight to contribute
Well if it’s only astronauts experiencing stuff how come Alice experiences what basically Henry/Bud does? She was ‘t in space… My husband theory is because she is observer… he also theorizes Henry is part of Irene’s universe, like he is Alice in her universe … coz he observed her death (did he?)
Thank you for the breakdowns This ending didn’t bother me anywhere near as much but I do agree that more questions were created. I do think that the production of this show had some issues that resulted in some continuity problems. I’ll give it another season as there’s definitely much more good than there is bad. I’ll watch again and this tune I’ll take my time, pausing and rewinding to play again scenes I need clarity with. Guess I’ll see if I get what I’m looking for lol
I seem to remember that one of the tape recorders that Alice was using in episode 7 was destroyed in the fire, I remember a shot of it melting. In episode 8, both tape recorders are fine. This show is incredible and complex, so maybe I missed something, but that would indicate that there are more than two " universes " or whatever, at least 3. Did anyone else catch this or did I completely miss something?
@@TheorySmack Right on, and that's the thought I was coming to after watching your video a second time lol. Thank you for the response, I loved this show, and definitely agree that episode 8 left a lot to be desired and wasn't what I was expecting.
Those opening shots looked like a reference to Kubrick's "The Shining"; the camera hovers and pursues the car from a distance (like a ghost), and there's a ghostly vocalization in the soundtrack. I agree that there were too many loose ends and not enough pay off. Perhaps dead Jo undocked Soyuz 1 from the ISS station for alive Paul, and dead Paul undocked Soyuz 1 from the ISS station for alive Jo (because it required two people -- one in the capsule and one in the station). Dead Jo coming "back to life" and grabbing the iPad might hint at that.
Originally I assumed like you dead Jo unlocked for Paul and Paul's arm unlocked for Jo, but when Jo unlocks in episode 2 you can clearly see a full shadow figure (not just arm) and a woman in the ISS. I don't really have any theory or explanation for it.
Am I the only one who thinks that Paul who woke up is the one who died in the other universe? The way he is looking at his arms implies he is shocked to see them whole, because in his universe one hand was cut off. what do you think?
Wendy wasn't the focus of the first season but she is experiencing the same things as Alice. In the first episode Wendy tells Alice that she's been having nightmares. Paul's story will be more prominent in the second season.
It occurs to me that hyper focusing on the tech misses the core of the show which is about loss, letting go and acceptance. When we lose people we lament the time we had was never enough, always wanting more. The heart of this show tells you to embrace what you have and not cry for yesterday, especially since slipping in and out of realities makes it seem possible to "go back". Irena does her best to tell Jo exactly this.
I actually think these are continuity errors. I enjoyed the ride but I think the showed and i hated the ending. Nine minutes left for you to explain the ending to me. Lets see what happens.
Dizmodo, the Nocturnal Critic channel explains more about the timelines, but I couldn’t follow very well. My interests: The mirror reality wardrobes for red & blue Alices in the SAME ROOM. Also seeing 2 versions of Magnus sitting before the therapist. To the therapist he said, “It feels like we’re all floating in space.” Most intriguing is the fetus showing signs of the CAL influence. Blue Alice will be facing new challenges with her sibling, as she journeys down the rabbit hole! Blue Alice continues to be pivotal in stabilizing her family. I liked this episode, even though the mysteries aren’t over.
I think jo is seeing both universes, one in each eye. There’s something hinted about her left eye, the eye the other Jo is missing. Maybe she’s able to see both versions of the old man upstairs. Also there is another cal device in the ISS behind the other Jo. And I think the shock therapy brought her back in the ISS in the same universe as Jo A. I’m guessing space IS a lineal space so she can move between them. She had to be the one who released the capsule for both Jo and Paul. So she’s been in the same space before. Maybe Jo can cross between them? I dont know but I’m hooked
The whole show is about superposition where something can be in two places at once, more specifically people who go to space. The two men in the mental faculties upstairs exist in both worlds at the same time
I got interested in this because it seemed like a quality show that was a limited series/mini series. I think the writers deliberately didn't tie off a lot of loose ends so they could leave the door open to a continuous series cash grab. IMHO when great shows are opened to more seasons it almost always turns into a direction less, jump the shark, hot mess. If they do a 2nd season I hope it's just to finish the story properly and end it.
Thanks for reviewing the series. I will not invest more time in the next season because there were not enough answers to questions. The cliffhangers do not make me want to return and hope to get answers after another 8 hours.
I'm of the opinion that both Relativity and Quantum Mechanics may be true to explain the aberrations in time. If time and position can be 'toyed' with, then almost anything is possible. To simplify matters for this story arc, some facets will have to be assumed to be true. That matter (people/machines) in the same space will act in tandem sometimes (in groups of twos or threes), and differ otherwise (red/blue/recorder melted). Since they are somehow connected, they will be able to sense each other. That ability to sense can vary in intensity even to a point where they inhabit the other version of themselves (Paul). Intense trauma seems to initiate some occurrences, a lost child, fire, explosions, death. Lithium would supress this. As one entity experiences injury so does the other, albeit marginally, and as one experiences ongoing life so does the other, even after physical death as transpired. It is hinted at that conflicting perceptions may lead to the creation of a duality which is then physically manifested (2 Cosmonauts). The aspect of time being non linear and fragmented, confirmed by time stamps are found on machines or Items which are affected by the entanglement (Video, door opening?, burning cabin).
If we take the theory of an infinite number of alternate universes existing, each one differing ever so slightly from the one "next to it," then it all kinda makes sense. Problem with that is that there is literally no end to this show, it could run 6 quadrillion seasons, each presenting new alternate timelines, and while dizzying, there can be no true end to such a show.. which presents the producers with an interesting problem 😁 Let's hope there is at least ONE more season, but no more, as this risks turning the show into a mess of a maze, one which viewers will loose interest in. Sadly. Thus far it has been brilliant.
definitely a lot of questions in the air. Are those Twins her children if they calling mama to her some how? Also those tapes seem to play clear when near that device. Also Jo being alive and dead was strange for me but then again, someone unclamped the escape pod.
One noteworthy thing no one talks about is at the start the dead Irena was trapped in space until Jo pulled her out and she fell to earth, Now dead Irena is back on the ground allowing those that see the mirror universe to see her. Also might be why Irena is now sick with cancer and speeding up as dead Irena is back as all that radiation in space is bleeding through. Unlike Henry/Bud that both returned to earth. (both alive) Paul that the live and dead one returned to earth. (one dead buried one alive on earth) And do disconnected from life said those alful things to Alive about her mum, he is emotionally numb or could say dead inside. So this is why Paul may be going more crazy than Jo as he is living in a world where he should be dead and those states bleeding through. Jo is in the similar situation as Irena was where her dead self was trapped in space. (one dead in space living in the mirror reality and one earth) Maybe because of the forced separation for Jo like Irena had has different implications on the separated particles. They make a point that a lot of the time those particles find their way together like them making the point in the last episode of the 2 Magnus in the psychology office. And might be why Irena makes a point its easier if you go along with what you are meant to be doing rather than fight against it otherwise that pull/push of the mirror state bleeds through more and more as those quantum states are linked and makes you crazy trying to split you in two. (and I think she means mentally)
More seriously, one says mama and the other Бога нет (which translated is there is no god). A slogan from Russian propaganda from the 60s. Searching on Google you find a poster with a drawing of a cosmonaut on a space walk and below it a church with the anti-religious slogan in the middle.
I hope there is a season 2. Heaps of exciting ideas still to be fleshed out. Plus the ultrasound looks like the CAL image, not a fetus. I enjoyed the show and loved the actors so it could be a winner for Apple TV.
I think there is only ona man but Jo can see 2 realities at once hence two men : Thats why Urena says there is only one. Btw, somebody can explain the "fisheye" effect that appear throughout the whole show?
It may be that The Cal can cause crossover events *before* it was created (because of quantum tunneling or something) but I admit that this is a stretch.
Don't forget that the ipad was left by the Jo that returned to earth, hence the ipad should not be in the same universe as the Jo that was left behind. What does that mean? Since humans seem to be the ones that jump from universe to universe, does that now mean that death Jo is now also present in blue universe where red (live) Jo now lives? Is it similar to my previous question. If alive Irena is in one universe, how come both dead bodies where shown in both? Does that mean that both dead Jos are now present in both universes?
Going way back but in the episode where Joe has to move all the batteries, she then goes back into the other side of the ISS with an oxygen tank and mask. I thought that was the reason that she couldn't work the whole time on the batteries was the oxygen so why didn't she use the oxygen tank to retrieve batteries
Okay, I think the baby will become the new “CAL,” aka he or she, as a result of being from both sides, will be that beacon that causes the weak points between both universes, allowing for crossovers. That’s my theory, but I’ve always wondered how both Alice’s can see the other’s universes?
Prior to the finale, I was firmly in team time jumps. There are several references to 2023, or dates that only exist in 2023 (not 2021) across multiple episodes. But given how the finale played out (and what you noticed about 2020) I’m back to thinking this was just continuity error.
I really can’t accept how the last episode was conducted. It pass from physics and quantum mysteries to absolute mental health? Come one. This can’t be serious. The ep1 to ep7 was so nice… well developed. The script took a way out with bud and Henry changing places without answering nothing. Did not uncover the mysteries from government… ahhh I need to stop complaining… it will change or answer nothing.
I thought Bud being left in the snow was weird too. They've dropped some hints about bud/henry I think that will be big in the plot next season. It seems like Henry caused his accident or something like that. Bud says he won the nobel prize so there must be something he invented back before the CAL which could have started the alternate reality nonsense. Also in one of the bud/henry scenes one of them is blaming the other for the accident but they don't really explain any further. Henry might have messed something up pre space in his original universe. I think Bud's accident will be central to next season's plot until the baby gets born. I also don't think there's any precedent for a character seeing two of another character at the same time like Jo saw the other prisoner. Zombie Jo just feels like a wacky jumpscare but this show love's the foggy zombie vibe so who knows. Bud universe paul might have actually died and been replaced by the paul that lost his arm by the way he was looking at his arms so now there is someone in Buds world who knows about the CAL.
Season 1, was fine just because it didnt wrap up every unexplained question in a nice bow at the end, it is whats going to make us watch season 2 for them answers
I think the reason Henry/Bud was left in the snow and not rescued is because the emergency personnel couldn't see him, similar to when Jo was seemingly unseen or heard by the cleaners emptying her office. I think sometimes the characters phase out of whichever universe they're in temporarily, either as an after effect or a precursor to switching universes. 😊
Yes, my thinking also. Bud wasn't seen by the paramedics because he was in another reality.
I can get behind this. Also like when the Alice's are talking in the cupboard and neither Magnus or Jo can see them, only the tape recorder. @@kristineclevenger6705
Probably right... except why didn't he freeze to death if he was there overnight?
They may have been close to sunrise when they arrived.. so he did not have much exposer to freezing temperatures
I agree as when Henry/Bud got to the snow part both Alices where there in the distorted mirror space and Jo told other Alice to go back to her father, then shortly after that Jo was back in the second space ready to be rescued, but as Henry/Bud was not conscious he was still in that distorted mirror space until he woke up and everyone was gone.
The man/men that Jo see's at the facility is Vladimir Illyushin!
Illya says in ep3 while thy are walking to Paul's grave (after Jo shows them the pic of Irena in her USSR suit) "You know I heard from a guy that Gararin was not first in space. It was Vladimir Illyushin, But he crashed in China so they brought him home and locked him up."
@@Cymonie1that is what they want you to think...
@TheCrazykitty777, you definitely are a crazy kitty 777 😂
Yura, not Yuri? I'm not convinced 🤷♀
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This show really surprises me, iPad with infinite battery lives..
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How much time has passed in space?
And my iPad battery died just after the episode 😂
that's supposed to have happent right after Paul entered the capsule, she was reanimated and then helped him.
I think the CAL might be in Jo, that’s why she was able to see both men upstairs, also the way Paul was looking at both arms, (remember his arm was crushed in space) that may be the dead Paul back to life somehow and the dead Jo back alive somehow in space (remember they left the body up there)…I don’t know…but something about the CAL getting destroyed may have caused some funky quantum resurrections lol
this is a genius theory. the implication of Paul swapping though....is that the one who didn't die (and left Jo's body in space) is now buried 6ft underground. UNLESS the Paul who was shot actually died and the other Paul's consciousness shifted into this body since this universe is its "home" universe?
Jo definitely has a close relationship with the CAL, as does Alice & to some extent Magnus. They are linked as a family. My impression was that Paul was surveying the medical tubes attached to his arms, but I watched again & see the possibility of his seeing 2 intact arms also. I never accepted that Jo immediately died after the horrid eye injury. To me, her breathing indicated a comatose state. In that state can her subtle body leave & move around the ISS? She pushed the red button. Her body will decay, or does the CAL energy prolong the life force? It's all mysterious.
I think you are on to something wow. Would explain the fetus picture being the same pic as the CAL on the computer screen in the earlier episodes.
Paul came back with Jo
I believe there are 3 universe
Something no one is mentioning is that there are three cassette players. We saw two in this episode, but one melted in the cabin fire. This further supports the idea that we've been watching three universes.
I was thinking the same with the "third Cabin", the colors and everything madme think it was some kind of "interdimentional connection point" but not exactly a dimension like the other 2
. Now that i think of it, there was a cat, then a dead cat, and both at the same place/time, might have been "the same" cat.
The writers confirmed there are only 2 universes
One of them is in the liminal space. You have universe A, universe B and liminal space where both exists together. I think!
Wouldn’t it be “four”, since one of them has a dead cat, an additional black cat, and the other abandoned cabin only has the one cat alive? I think it’s more like those universes’ “upside down” version of each other (like stranger things).
The cassette player thing confused the hell out of me. We saw one of them burn up and I think the other was dropped in the snow or something (I could be remembering wrong). Then in the finale we see both of them magically back in the homes of both Alices. I don't understand that at all. I also wonder why they had to communicate with each other that way. Henry and Bud, who are also quantum-entangled, communicated solely by talking to each other in the mirror, no cassette player needed. The Alices could see each other in the mirrors, but they needed the cassette player. I think that was probably just used as a fun plot device TBH. Finally, I found it strange that the Alices were quantum-entangled without having been to space. I could explain it if they only interacted when they were near the CAL but they interacted even when it wasn't around. I think one of their necklaces was up in space with Jo and then brought back, so maybe the necklace served as a bridge?
I don’t expect last episode to explain everything but this one left so much out! Anyways, am I the only one who think Paul switched as well? The way he looked at his hands, looking surprised…oh well in two years when season 2 comes we may confirm.
Hmm, hadn't considered that for paul actually...maybe?
I agree, Paul switched
To me, Paul has a double. He worked closely with the CAL device.
@@TheorySmackI thought that was made clear in Episode 6?
@@stmusic2164 I think he meant, that Paul switched AGAIN, back in his original world (where the alive Jo is now). So the scene in episode 8, where he wakes up in the hospital and looks at his hands
The two men in the room is her being able to see both worlds at the same time, similar to the cabin. So that same man is probably in that same room in her original universe as well.
which one is original tho
@@markobolo4465 .. well I guess it depends from which side you are looking.
@@zissupa they could both be a branch of an original like dark
That was what I think
too
I think the comment made to Joe about her not letting the mystery go eventually leading to her “splitting into two” is inferring that when a person switches places with their counterpart of another universe and doesn’t mentally adapt to their new life in their new universe, it can lead to them somehow being susceptible to having the consciousnesses of themselves from both universes swapped.
Irene left the one universe in the 60s or whatever and went to the other and she maybe kept investing into what had happened to herself and it caused her to be alive in her new universe, as well as giving some form of animation or partial life into her corpse still orbiting in space though now occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart from the universe she now lives in.
I think that’s what we’re seeing with Paul waking up with so much surprise in the hospital bed at the end of the finale. We’re seeing maybe the mind of the Paul that died in space, returning to his proper universe where he’d just been shot by bud. Paul had kept asking questions and kept investigating and it opened him up to being displaced between universes.
In the article shown in the video above, the interview with the show runner also had him stating that the persons emotional state also played a factor in their ability to become displaced between universes.
Obviously the most blatant example is Joe herself. She’s the most emotionally distraught character and is experiencing the most displacement bleed-through. And in the end I think we’re seeing this causing her corpse on the iss in her origin universe to get some sort of life, though occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart as a result.
As an aside, I also concluded that the characters are being displaced between universes only in a psychological capacity. Their consciousnesses are moving but their bodies are remaining and being occupied by the consciousnesses of their counterparts. I think this explains why Joe can play the piano when she originally could not in her origin universe. I think the skill of playing an instrument is inferred to create a physical change the brain and that she inherited the skill as the new occupant of the brain that had learned to play the piano.
Damn. I’m like… 75% sure I just figured this thing out.
Jo’s ultrasound looks like the image of the cal device while active when Henry was trying to take a picture of it.
Yup. The baby is going to be a walking CAL device.
It’s the first mutant to be born
@@AfrooBlack It will be interesting to see the baby's experience of reality. My guess is that Season 2 will begin a few years into the future, when Alice's sibling can talk. Some people are finding this episode frustrating, but I find it to be many steps forward in revelations. My interest continues.
Will definately be some sort of mutant that can switch between realities
Now imagine if Jo has twins, instead of just one fetus, on top of the split, CAL universe/earth embryo ...?
I think the comment made to Joe about her not letting the mystery go eventually leading to her “splitting into two” is inferring that when a person switches places with their counterpart of another universe and doesn’t mentally adapt to their new life in their new universe, it can lead to them somehow being susceptible to having the consciousnesses of themselves from both universes swapped.
Irene left the one universe in the 60s or whatever and went to the other and she maybe kept investing into what had happened to herself and it caused her to be alive in her new universe, as well as giving some form of animation or partial life into her corpse still orbiting in space though now occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart from the universe she now lives in.
I think that’s what we’re seeing with Paul waking up with so much surprise in the hospital bed at the end of the finale. We’re seeing maybe the mind of the Paul that died in space, returning to his proper universe where he’d just been shot by bud. Paul had kept asking questions and kept investigating and it opened him up to being displaced between universes.
In the article shown in the video above, the interview with the show runner also had him stating that the persons emotional state also played a factor in their ability to become displaced between universes.
Obviously the most blatant example is Joe herself. She’s the most emotionally distraught character and is experiencing the most displacement bleed-through. And in the end I think we’re seeing this causing her corpse on the iss in her origin universe to get some sort of life, though occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart as a result.
As an aside, I also concluded that the characters are being displaced between universes only in a psychological capacity. Their consciousnesses are moving but their bodies are remaining and being occupied by the consciousnesses of their counterparts. I think this explains why Joe can play the piano when she originally could not in her origin universe. I think the skill of playing an instrument is inferred to create a physical change the brain and that she inherited the skill as the new occupant of the brain that had learned to play the piano.
Damn. I’m like… 75% sure I just figured this thing out.
This is very plausible!!
That was a pretty good breakdown.
Thank heavens for your 75%, that really helped me a lot, so thank you for thinking that through and for writing it out in such a coherent way - I will need to reread it a few times to make sure I fully understand this show. Phew, sci-fi can be a mindfugg at times!
I thought it was interesting that the red alice, as she left the house with her dad and was concluding to accept their reality was wearing a red-blue-yellow jacket. For me that’s hinting at accepting that all three states/realities exist.
The thing that pisses me off is how is Jo in the ISS alive in any way after her eye socket was sucked out into SPACE with assumingly a good part of her BRAIN !!!! Literally a gaping hole in her head how tf is she alive and how is the space station stable with that big ass hole in the window ???????
Superposition, alive and dead at the same time
Same way with the cat being dead and alive in the same space, except maybe for Jo and Irene they're both dead and alive (Alice's dreams for example)
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And Bud not dying of exposure outside during a freezing night.
Reminds me of how they dropped the ball with Lost but that show maintained its momentum for the first couple of seasons at least. The later seasons were designed to turn the intrigue up to 11. Eventually, things became so chaotic that they were incomprehensible even to the writers themselves.
I don't understand why Constellation didn't give us more exposition about the causes of the bizarre phenomenon that propelled the plot forward. That ending left us underwhelmed, like being denied just before climax (apologies for the rather vulgar analogy). Feeling obscurely worse, really.
If the dates are wrong, Art Department and the Script Supervisor HAVE to be on top of that shit, especially in shows like this.
I think it's intentional. When paul showed up to bud's his car time was 2200. When "bud" dialed 911 his phone said 2100. No way they messed up three different edits. Unless bud was in a different time zone.
My thoughts: Paul wakes up in the hospital room, but he wakes up as Red Paul, and is stunned to see he has his arm back. Red Joe is put back in the correct spot and wakes up in the ISS with one eye. Not shown, but Bud will likely wake up in a literal prison of his own making.
This might be a reach but maybe time did get messed up with the Cal. Was the sonogram showing “twins” and were they the ones upstairs. The one saw her and kept calling her mamma.
I'd be lying if I said that thought didn't cross my mind, lol
That makes too much sense. Irena could be lying about him being the first man in space. She has no reason to come clean on anything except what she got caught on 😵💫
That's actually a pretty good theory.
woah..
so the baby she is carrying and the two men upstairs are the same person just different ages?
Saint Sergius, the hospital, is named after the duo of Sergius and Bacchus. They were 2 officers in the roman army who were secretly christian in a pagan world. These beliefs eventually became there death. Interesting choice of the writers to choose for these saints.
Excellent observation!
Thank you, so good to learn more about that.
Is Jo having twins? Are the 2 men that call her mama her twins? I know I’m the only one that thinks this but I can’t get past them calling her mama just when she finds out she’s pregnant. I realize that for them to be Jo’s twins time cannot be linear. I there is theory that the past, present and future are all happening at the same time. Could this be happening on the show? Lots of questions! Oh so ISS Jo is half alive and half dead in the liminal reality. 🤷🏻♀️
All very good questions
The two men in the room who call her MaMa will turn out to be her now unborn child exisiting in the moment and spit in two as coming from both worlds.and is a time shift
I guess the most confusing part was How Henry Exchanged the universe with Bud?
Bud stopped taking his pills. He was able to contact Henry to the point where he made him pee himself. Finally he crocced.
break into two could mean, if you don't forget about the 2 realities, you might bring the other you over. The man calling Jo Mama could be another hint to indeed travelling in time - pregnant with twins. To me the whole show looks like as if somebody watched Dark and then said, hey, we can do this too :D
That’s exactly what I felt like except Dark is vastly superior.
Since I was one of many who almost dreaded this final episode, having been hurt and betrayed by other finales (i.e. "Lost" syndrome), I enjoyed the episode, and found myself quite satisfied. Even more satisfied than the cop-out final episode of Manifest. That being said, I really enjoy the options for a possible season 2 -- but if it doesn't happen. I'm ok. I guess, just like Jo, I was placated by the ending.
What a great series!! Thanks for your commentaries, Dizmodo!
One idea I had about why Valya and Jo are alive, even though their body is essentially dead... the thought being that since THAT body's consciousness swapped with the alternate universe, then she cannot die unless her consciousness is brought back to her body. Since the consciousness that belongs to the body she currently inhabits is in HER original body, then theoretically the consciousness is still alive, but in a dead body.
It seems very plausible considering Irena said she felt like "floating endlessly around the earth"... which her actual body is doing in that moment. So it would make since that Valya is manipulating Alice somehow in the hopes of eventually getting back to her own body.
It was the same for me. After Henry waking up in the snow, ignored by the rescue units, I was distracted and I was waiting for an explanation the rest of the episode.
I like the idea of Paul switching but my first interpretation was that he dreamed about his other self losing his arm and woke up from a nightmare in shock that it wasn’t real and that he had an arm, little does he know his dream was him living his other self’s experience.
or did the Paul who was shot die? If he did, then maybe the consciousness of the other Paul who was originally in this universe go back to this body?
One of the guy is the room says « Mama » the other one says « Бога нет » which is attributed to Yuri Gagarin and means there is no God (in the stars). You can even see poster of it in the nursery.
Thak you, I was wondering what Yuri was muttering.
I think "Blue Jo" is dead. At least as dead as "Blue Irena/Valya".
1. There was not really an explaination why "Red Jo", "Henry" and maybe both "Alice-Versions" had moments when they saw the mummified "Valya"?
2. There was also not an explaination how the dead body of "Valya" was into both universes causing both ISS accidents? (She was also seen floating away in the Universe where "Paul Lancaster" survived. But since they made no spacewalk in the "Lancaster survives"-version and no one freed the body after the crash... where there two different versions of "dead Valya"?
3. Then there is the biggest Question about "Blue Jo": She seems to be at the ISS where the Pad of "Red Jo" is?
If ESA-, or NASA-Astronauts or Russian Cosmonauts would start a salvation mission to the damaged ISS what (or who) will they find?
4. Again, "Dead Valya". "Dead Valya" seems not to be just a "Hallucination or Vision" but she must have communicated, since "Alice" knows her name.
And she seems to "haunt" people for her own reasons.
Is it possible that "Dead Jo" will also start to haunt people? Both "Dead Valya" and "Dead Jo" have the same thing in common now: A dead body in space in the "entanglement zone" and a living counterpart in the wrong universe.
5. In the very last scene, "Dead Jo" grabbed the I-Pad of "Red Jo". She can move and interact with physical objects.
In both versions of the survivors, "Blue Paul" and "Red Jo", the ISS computer tells them, that the capsule can not undock, unless two person on the ISS do the needed work manually.
"Undead Red Jo", who can grab and hold I-Pads, may be the explaination why the capsule undocked.
But I think the message, how TWO PERSONS were necessary to undock the capsule, was a hint? Maybe "Undead Jo" is not alone on the ISS?
6. Since "Undead Blue Jo" is able to move and interact with objects, is it possible that "Undead Valya" was also able to do this and crashed into the ISS on purpose, for her own reasons?
I mean, maybe "Undead Valya" knows that "Red Valya/Irena" will soon die and she is afraid of what will happen to her when she is floating in her undead state forever when her living counterpart is dead? (So maybe crashing in he ISS was not a bad intention but she wanted to be found before "Red Valya/Irena" is dead?)
I want a second season. Even if the show already seems more like a supernatural "Space Ghost Story" than a Science-Fiction-Story.
(Also I love Noomi Rapace. So I want a second season anyway.)
The CAL is an observational window into the multiverse and while it allows contact, it only is observational. While it isn’t spinning off universes itself, it is allowing opportunities for universes to be created through observation. it is a box for the cat to be placed in with the subjective output being life and death at the same time. As infinite universes are created with the direction of every acted on decision, this opens a window to discuss Schrödingers postulate through actions, experiences and consequences. The first astronaut, Irena, and Bud all went into “the cat box” with the additional perk of being able to observe the outcomes experientially becoming cognizant of their rolls in multiple entangled universes. All without the CAL. It appears that entanglement is exacerbated by the CAL as blue and red alice were able to take advantage of the observational bridges between universes by close contact with the CAL. It would be interesting to know what is the natural universe splitter that is occurring without the CAL to the astronauts, something to do with the magnetic field protecting us all from cognitively experiencing multiple universes. Perhaps?
I think that the "natural universe splitter" is the condition of liminality itself - the condition of not being observed - thus freeing the quantum nature of the universe from having to choose one reality over all others. I think that the CAL is a quantum computer - and quantum computers work on this exact principle - except that the CAL creates a superposition field that surrounds the people who are close to it.
The womb = a liminal space? Also could you consider that 0 gravity?
it's entirely possible that they both old men are actually there due to that whole area upstairs being a very liminal looking space (similar to the cabin and both Alice's seeing each other).
Why do we think Irena said “my friends call me Valya”. Is she trying to trick Alice because she knows she has been seeing her in her dreams? It seemed on purpose that she said that …
I noticed that no one payed attention to the last episode's name. So i'm gonna leave it here. It was: These fragments i have shored against my ruin. And it is by T.S Eliot. I was puzzled at first by the episode and then i saw the title and it all clicked.
How does it make it click? Please explain, I am really interested..
The viewer assumes there are only two realities and so we assume all the characters are doubles/swaps of one another. But they’re not. The main clue is that both astronauts are in different realities, which if there’s only one swap wouldn’t have happened - one astronaut would have remained in the same reality and the other would have swapped with their dead double. But everything has shifted for everyone. So as this realisation sinks in as the viewer I’m steadily coming to terms with the sheer hopelessness of it all. We’re never going home. So why is he left in the snow? Well that particular version in the particular reality may have never had the emergency services called out? Even Bud thinks the helix will spin the other way - he thinks we’re dealing with an antimatter kind of deal where everything is reversed. But that’s not the paradigm, infinite versions of them have all just shifted over to another reality. Honestly it gave me chills every time some kind of inconsistency happened.
I can get on board with this explanation, it feels all right in a wrong kind of way. Which is what a shifting of all the universes would feel like, methinks.
Just started watching this vid. I’m certain the blue car at the end was a different model than the one in previous episodes. I believe this could point to multiples instead of just the two. Or maybe we’ve seen multiples for the whole series.
Yeah, the car is different but I didn’t pick up on it at first!
I think the point of the CAL as a crossing point is that it now creates a crossing point in your hands essentially, although they don't really understand how to trigger it yet. Because to that point, they only knew of space as being that "liminal place".
Bud left overnight in the snow was a terrible way to start the finale. It made me expect all plot conveniences were going to be preposterous. I wish we had more answers but I understand they have to keep a lot of plot devices open for potential future seasons. Irena's memo was another eye-roller. Her whole career was keeping this super secret that she's now revealing in an email to ask someone if perchance they've noticed anything unusual? I think it was a writers' mistake for Irena to tell Jo that she can never get back. We know this isn't true because of the Bud/Henry switch. Jo's return was the driving narrative in all of season 1 and now that's gone? The new twins in the hospital and this weird memo just aren't enough enticement.
Very much so agree with you
You going to be able to make it to the live stream?
Irena told Jo there's only 1 upstairs. His traumatized personality split into 2 sides of the same coin. It's all a guess as to who the baby will be, but if the man upstairs is still living when the baby is born, then it won't be him reincarnating. We'll see. Irena's email didn't bother me, as we are each allowed to make new decisions based on insights. Maybe Jo's honesty & sharing with Irena that "It's you" (the dead cosmonaut) & then repeating what Irena said in space about the fire somehow triggered her to send the email. Who knows?
@@TheorySmack I'll be there!
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I suppose if Jo got back home the show would end.
And tbh I think she should have got home and the show should have ended.
This is a *high concept drama* and I doubt it can sustain more than one season.
When Henry asks if his dna spun the other way they had to say no. If it were mirror image the obvious giveaway would be organs on wrong side. But he would also die of starvation because of how our bodies use chiral (molecules that can’t be superimposed on their mirror images). They had to preempt that by saying even though the world is “the wrong way round” his body somehow down to the molecular level switched to the right way round even though his brain etc didn’t
I think the dates on those screens is an oversight. I think the time periods are all overlapping in the “present”. I also think that the ultrasound showing the same pattern as the CAL means that the baby could be the “new CAL” and produce the same effects (whatever those are). 🤷 I definitely didn’t love this finale but I did love the show.
That would be true if they never labeled one alice as 9 and the other 11
There's also a time discrepancy when paul shows up to bud's and when bud dials 911. That's like three different edits the showrunners would have messed up. Doesn't seem likely.
The CAL is preserving itself.
If they do a second season, I hope the 'A' story is Paul/Henry trying to solve things in the red universe. Jo/Alice/Magnus feels done except for her baby, which can be the 'B' or 'C' story. I don't need to see much more from any of them. Jo and Alice have made peace with the situation, while Paul/Henry feel like they'd want to tackle the larger issue.
The only thing that didn't make sense was that the jo left in the station was still alive with half her head gone , they'll cover that up if it does happen and leave her there to die.
The hard part was knowing she had no way of getting back , obviously the girls could still talk but the one who lost her mom was moving away and doing so it would probably break the link they had and the ignorant father just couldn't take his childs word for it , what I do with my family is put them first before anything else and try to help them find the truth what ever it may be , where's the unconditional love there ?
The two were battling it alone in both worlds , the men were selfish and I didn't like those characters , that was the saddest thing to see Jo and Alice having to accept the fact that they were powerless .
I was hoping that she would make her way back but that imposter smashed the atom and destroyed any possible future for returning to her world and there was no body to return to to begin with .
We know our physical bodies are stuck in time and place, but we can move our consciousness into the fourth dimension so there is a way to travel through multiverse without the module, Atom ,
Meditation exercises used today take us into a much higher plain , why not into the next body .
I guess this season is over , I'm hoping it has a second season , this is one of my favorites for shows.
Yeah, I’m with you. This had/has such an interesting premise, so I’d like to see where else they take it in a second season as well
Something that's really bugging me is: if dead Jo is actually alive, what oxygen is she breathing after several weeks when Paul/other Jo were literally running out before they left on Soyuz 1. And if she's dead, how is she not decomposing?? I'm even having my doubts about how "good" her body looked when Paul decided to leave her behind after what I think was at least 2 days dead.
They said in episode 1 that time is slower in space. And there’s differences of time in the 2 realities
My big presumption is that one-eyed Jo is the one who releases both Jo and Paul so they can return to Earth because we know from the two guys in the cell they can exist in the same dimension. We also know that Jo’s return is “wrong,” but does that mean Paul’s return is to the right dimension?
This show did frustrate me at first, but I actually loved that it didn't spoon-feed us an overly simplistic narrative explaining what's going on, like Dark Matter has done so far. I enjoyed trying to figure out the different universes and the quantum-entangled counterparts to each character. The time discrepancies are the only thing that still frustrate me because that makes zero sense, the differences in the years that you pointed out. You actually noticed one that I haven't seen others notice and that I missed - the 2020 date. WTF? I think if they really intended to introduce different timelines in addition to different universes, that was foolish and nonsensical in an already deeply complex series.
I think the astronauts were able to switch with their counterparts before the CAL existed simply because they were in space - there was a quote earlier in the season that said "there's something about space that is wrong." I believe the CAL device created a bridge for people to cross between universes to their quantum-entangled counterpart WHILE ON EARTH, not just in space, and that was a game changer. I think it also was capable of creating a liminal space between the universes where people could interact with their counterparts, which is why we saw the weird in-between universes at the cabin when the device was taken there. And Henry switched places with Bud because Henry was near the CAL device at the cabin and going through a high-stress experience at the same time as Bud, who had just shot Paul (another high-stress experience). Crossing over seems to require a bridge like the CAL and a high-stress or traumatic event occurring on both sides, in my opinion. I think if this show hadn't been canceled, the baby might have served as the new CAL, a bridge point between worlds, because it was conceived by people from two different universes.
I have to disagree that their show is way too much of a theatrical thriller for those clock times to be production mistakes. Sure, it happens, but I used to work in film, and in the editorial process, they always focus on that sort of continuity, and I think it's really important to the story
Yes. There's at least three different different scenes. No way they screw up that much.
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Yes.
I think that these are indications that Linear time is breaking down.
And I also think this is a complication I could have done without.
Bud switched and then fell into snow but wasn’t seen cause it’s like hide and seek can’t be seen, so although we saw him in snow he was actually invisible.
Jo can see both worlds one with each eye. Blue world with left eye and Red world with right eye.
can you expand on this? what causes you to come to this conclusion?
Henry was in the liminal space so he wasn't actually "there", as such they didn't leave him they just never saw him, like Jo in the office scene.
Paul coming back is the other Paul. The one who "died" in the other world.
The 2 people above are the one in that universe and the other probably in the liminal space or in the other universe.
If you look at the email list it's people from the production which is a nice nod - Daniel Rillmann, Anton Heidrich, Scott Kelly (astronaut advisor),
Marcel Singer and so on.
Finale was great, as, well, it's not a finale its just a pause before next season
I think the “time jumps” are just quantum entanglement not only existing in different places at the same time, but in different times at the same time.
Here it is. The main ingredient isn't actually the CAL, though it might be the cause. The main ingredient is the "lithium". There are 2 different men in the cell upstairs and this is the direct result of not taking the lithium. Valya knows it hence "you will break into 2". Bud was able to crossover because he wasn't taking his pills. Season 2 will see Henry also not taking his pills, maybe because of being incarcerated and he and Bud, who isn't taking his anyway, start to appear in the same time continuum. Jo, still not really satisfied, won't take hers either, so guess who's coming back?? Yep, the one eyed Jo in space. Valya already knows the consequences of not taking hers so the dead Valya won't be back, or maybe. The "lithium" is what stops 2 or more of the same person existing in the same plane.
Lithium is crucial to maintaining sanity & not experiencing schizophrenia. Jo sounds determined to take the pills so she can live with her family, & I hope she holds firm to that decision. We'll see.
But henry and the Russian lady already had doppelgangers before the cal was invented. So whats its purpose?
I"m pretty sure that Ilya gave Jo the key for her to escape. She left the room with her winter coat on and started to unlock an exterior door, she hears the moaning from upstairs, back tracks to go upstairs and check it out, it's after she sees what she sees she freaks out and heads back to her room, relocks her door and hangs her coat up and curls up in bed.
After Ilya gave her the key he looked up, in an exaggerated manner, hinting that Joe should check out what’s going on upstairs, aka the screaming man
@@rachelgrig9985 sure, but she doesn't need a big puffy down jacket to go upstairs, so my take is she intended to leave (not probably a smart plan unless she could steal a car, but still) she freaked after seeing two old dudes locked up and bailed on the escape plan. Ilya's nod could also mean get out of here or that upstairs could be you if you don't get out of here.
Bold prediction: The two men upstairs are both Jo's son - who she is pregnant with.
Wha wha whaaaaaa??
This does appear to be the case.
This finale has definitely left linear time behind it.
By the way I just found your youtube... I really really like your reviews.... Have you happened to do one on the t v show SEVERANCE
Welcome!
I wasn’t doing YT when Severance aired. But I’ll definitely be covering next season!
the emergency crew didnt take Henry (Bud) bcz they couldnt see him...overlapping dimensions
I think Paul switched back when he woke up abruptly in the hospital because he was looking at his arms with great amazement. He lost his arm in the space accident. I think he somehow switched back to the other Paul.
I’m dying to know what he saw!
He could be left there, because he may be was invisible like Jo was befor....
but i agree, i was confused too
This was awful. What a ridiculously disappointing finale.
Completely checking out of this.
Yeah...I can understand how you feel for sure
@@TheorySmack appreciate all your awesome videos on the series though, my wife and I watched each of them multiple times to try and figure out what was going on.
It was a fun ride while it lasted. Best of luck to you with the next one, continued success!
The CAL devise amplifies the crossover phenomena -- makes them more real and allows some communication between the realities. Prior to the CAL, crossovers DO happen -- but with the CAL, they can be percieved more clearly. One of Henry's first comments to Bud was about the CAL (even tho Bud doesn't know about it) and Henry says, It doesn't work and it makes things even worse, leading me to believe that Henry was motivated by understanding or bridging the 2 realities with the CAL.
The bigger mystery is why the 2 Alices have a much clearer connection -- as they were never in the vicinity of the CAL -- unless they were affected by the proximity of the IPAD.
First - great editing. Absolutely loved the production value of this video
2 - being a major science nerd, i think the creators kinda put their own twist onto some multiverse theory with a little quantum entanglement sprinkled on. It was a pretty major disappointment to realize that they mixed up some ideas and let the fiction part of sci-fi take precedent when the story needed it. In the interview, they said they tried to stick to the rules that they hinted at. It makes me think that they were more focused on crafting a compelling narrative instead of remaining consistent with some previously established mechanisms for how things were supposed to function. This comment is getting ridiculously long so hopefully I'm able to tune into the livestream and I can elaborate on my thoughts. It would be awesome if you could share a list of topics you'd like to cover during the stream so I and others can gather their thoughts and have some good insight to contribute
Well if it’s only astronauts experiencing stuff how come Alice experiences what basically Henry/Bud does? She was ‘t in space… My husband theory is because she is observer… he also theorizes Henry is part of Irene’s universe, like he is Alice in her universe … coz he observed her death (did he?)
I'm definitely up for season 2, didnt mind the ambiguity of the ending
Thank you for the breakdowns This ending didn’t bother me anywhere near as much but I do agree that more questions were created. I do think that the production of this show had some issues that resulted in some continuity problems. I’ll give it another season as there’s definitely much more good than there is bad. I’ll watch again and this tune I’ll take my time, pausing and rewinding to play again scenes I need clarity with. Guess I’ll see if I get what I’m looking for lol
I seem to remember that one of the tape recorders that Alice was using in episode 7 was destroyed in the fire, I remember a shot of it melting. In episode 8, both tape recorders are fine. This show is incredible and complex, so maybe I missed something, but that would indicate that there are more than two " universes " or whatever, at least 3. Did anyone else catch this or did I completely miss something?
Yeah, I think the one in the “liminal space” melted and the others were fine
@@TheorySmack Right on, and that's the thought I was coming to after watching your video a second time lol. Thank you for the response, I loved this show, and definitely agree that episode 8 left a lot to be desired and wasn't what I was expecting.
the pills keep them in place and stops them changing persona\diffrent versions
Or it keeps their minds from getting confused which conscience is which.
Bud had head lacerations while Henry didn’t, just like the 2 men upstairs
Those opening shots looked like a reference to Kubrick's "The Shining"; the camera hovers and pursues the car from a distance (like a ghost), and there's a ghostly vocalization in the soundtrack.
I agree that there were too many loose ends and not enough pay off. Perhaps dead Jo undocked Soyuz 1 from the ISS station for alive Paul, and dead Paul undocked Soyuz 1 from the ISS station for alive Jo (because it required two people -- one in the capsule and one in the station). Dead Jo coming "back to life" and grabbing the iPad might hint at that.
Originally I assumed like you dead Jo unlocked for Paul and Paul's arm unlocked for Jo, but when Jo unlocks in episode 2 you can clearly see a full shadow figure (not just arm) and a woman in the ISS. I don't really have any theory or explanation for it.
Thought of "The Shining" also.
In the end blue Alice called Jo “Mamma”
Am I the only one who thinks that Paul who woke up is the one who died in the other universe? The way he is looking at his arms implies he is shocked to see them whole, because in his universe one hand was cut off. what do you think?
Entanglement is happening.
It's like when Jo gets those episodes of pain in her left eye because of the injury her alter ego suffered.
Wendy wasn't the focus of the first season but she is experiencing the same things as Alice. In the first episode Wendy tells Alice that she's been having nightmares. Paul's story will be more prominent in the second season.
It occurs to me that hyper focusing on the tech misses the core of the show which is about loss, letting go and acceptance. When we lose people we lament the time we had was never enough, always wanting more. The heart of this show tells you to embrace what you have and not cry for yesterday, especially since slipping in and out of realities makes it seem possible to "go back". Irena does her best to tell Jo exactly this.
I actually think these are continuity errors. I enjoyed the ride but I think the showed and i hated the ending. Nine minutes left for you to explain the ending to me. Lets see what happens.
Dizmodo, the Nocturnal Critic channel explains more about the timelines, but I couldn’t follow very well. My interests: The mirror reality wardrobes for red & blue Alices in the SAME ROOM. Also seeing 2 versions of Magnus sitting before the therapist. To the therapist he said, “It feels like we’re all floating in space.” Most intriguing is the fetus showing signs of the CAL influence. Blue Alice will be facing new challenges with her sibling, as she journeys down the rabbit hole! Blue Alice continues to be pivotal in stabilizing her family. I liked this episode, even though the mysteries aren’t over.
I think jo is seeing both universes, one in each eye. There’s something hinted about her left eye, the eye the other Jo is missing. Maybe she’s able to see both versions of the old man upstairs. Also there is another cal device in the ISS behind the other Jo. And I think the shock therapy brought her back in the ISS in the same universe as Jo A. I’m guessing space IS a lineal space so she can move between them. She had to be the one who released the capsule for both Jo and Paul. So she’s been in the same space before. Maybe Jo can cross between them? I dont know but I’m hooked
The whole show is about superposition where something can be in two places at once, more specifically people who go to space. The two men in the mental faculties upstairs exist in both worlds at the same time
I got interested in this because it seemed like a quality show that was a limited series/mini series. I think the writers deliberately didn't tie off a lot of loose ends so they could leave the door open to a continuous series cash grab. IMHO when great shows are opened to more seasons it almost always turns into a direction less, jump the shark, hot mess. If they do a 2nd season I hope it's just to finish the story properly and end it.
Thanks for reviewing the series. I will not invest more time in the next season because there were not enough answers to questions. The cliffhangers do not make me want to return and hope to get answers after another 8 hours.
Hope you'll come back for future shows!
What are you watching next?
Such a lazy attitude. So.. when things get a little convoluted, you just jump ship?
I'm watching Shogun now and just finished Tokyo VICE. I'm a cheap SOB so I only pay for streaming service a couple of times a year.
@Dizmodo BTW, I will definitely be back, good reviews
I'm of the opinion that both Relativity and Quantum Mechanics may be true to explain the aberrations in time. If time and position can be 'toyed' with, then almost anything is possible. To simplify matters for this story arc, some facets will have to be assumed to be true. That matter (people/machines) in the same space will act in tandem sometimes (in groups of twos or threes), and differ otherwise (red/blue/recorder melted). Since they are somehow connected, they will be able to sense each other. That ability to sense can vary in intensity even to a point where they inhabit the other version of themselves (Paul). Intense trauma seems to initiate some occurrences, a lost child, fire, explosions, death. Lithium would supress this. As one entity experiences injury so does the other, albeit marginally, and as one experiences ongoing life so does the other, even after physical death as transpired. It is hinted at that conflicting perceptions may lead to the creation of a duality which is then physically manifested (2 Cosmonauts). The aspect of time being non linear and fragmented, confirmed by time stamps are found on machines or Items which are affected by the entanglement (Video, door opening?, burning cabin).
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If we take the theory of an infinite number of alternate universes existing, each one differing ever so slightly from the one "next to it," then it all kinda makes sense. Problem with that is that there is literally no end to this show, it could run 6 quadrillion seasons, each presenting new alternate timelines, and while dizzying, there can be no true end to such a show.. which presents the producers with an interesting problem 😁 Let's hope there is at least ONE more season, but no more, as this risks turning the show into a mess of a maze, one which viewers will loose interest in. Sadly. Thus far it has been brilliant.
The creator of the show says there are only 2 universes and a liminal space in this story.
this whole season was a mindfuck with way more questions than answers , not happy with how it ended
definitely a lot of questions in the air. Are those Twins her children if they calling mama to her some how? Also those tapes seem to play clear when near that device. Also Jo being alive and dead was strange for me but then again, someone unclamped the escape pod.
Good points.
What do you think of the twins?
One noteworthy thing no one talks about is at the start the dead Irena was trapped in space until Jo pulled her out and she fell to earth, Now dead Irena is back on the ground allowing those that see the mirror universe to see her.
Also might be why Irena is now sick with cancer and speeding up as dead Irena is back as all that radiation in space is bleeding through.
Unlike Henry/Bud that both returned to earth. (both alive)
Paul that the live and dead one returned to earth. (one dead buried one alive on earth)
And do disconnected from life said those alful things to Alive about her mum, he is emotionally numb or could say dead inside. So this is why Paul may be going more crazy than Jo as he is living in a world where he should be dead and those states bleeding through.
Jo is in the similar situation as Irena was where her dead self was trapped in space. (one dead in space living in the mirror reality and one earth)
Maybe because of the forced separation for Jo like Irena had has different implications on the separated particles.
They make a point that a lot of the time those particles find their way together like them making the point in the last episode of the 2 Magnus in the psychology office.
And might be why Irena makes a point its easier if you go along with what you are meant to be doing rather than fight against it otherwise that pull/push of the mirror state bleeds through more and more as those quantum states are linked and makes you crazy trying to split you in two. (and I think she means mentally)
Did Irena fall to earth or float off? I can't remember.
I'm assuming that the CAL device is just an amplifier.
If the men locked in the room call Joe Mama, maybe they are two-dimensional twins she is pregnant with. 🤔
More seriously, one says mama and the other Бога нет (which translated is there is no god). A slogan from Russian propaganda from the 60s. Searching on Google you find a poster with a drawing of a cosmonaut on a space walk and below it a church with the anti-religious slogan in the middle.
I hope there is a season 2. Heaps of exciting ideas still to be fleshed out. Plus the ultrasound looks like the CAL image, not a fetus. I enjoyed the show and loved the actors so it could be a winner for Apple TV.
Paul woke up and seemed confused about having two hands. Is it possible one Paul died and the other shifted back to his original universe?
Seems like it
Lots of cool concepts, but they set themselves up for an almost impossible task of making it all make sense in a satisfying way.
I think there is only ona man but Jo can see 2 realities at once hence two men : Thats why Urena says there is only one. Btw, somebody can explain the "fisheye" effect that appear throughout the whole show?
It may be that The Cal can cause crossover events *before* it was created (because of quantum tunneling or something) but I admit that this is a stretch.
The Man in the room is Yuri Gagarin
Don't forget that the ipad was left by the Jo that returned to earth, hence the ipad should not be in the same universe as the Jo that was left behind. What does that mean? Since humans seem to be the ones that jump from universe to universe, does that now mean that death Jo is now also present in blue universe where red (live) Jo now lives?
Is it similar to my previous question. If alive Irena is in one universe, how come both dead bodies where shown in both? Does that mean that both dead Jos are now present in both universes?
Going way back but in the episode where Joe has to move all the batteries, she then goes back into the other side of the ISS with an oxygen tank and mask. I thought that was the reason that she couldn't work the whole time on the batteries was the oxygen so why didn't she use the oxygen tank to retrieve batteries
Okay, I think the baby will become the new “CAL,” aka he or she, as a result of being from both sides, will be that beacon that causes the weak points between both universes, allowing for crossovers. That’s my theory, but I’ve always wondered how both Alice’s can see the other’s universes?
Prior to the finale, I was firmly in team time jumps. There are several references to 2023, or dates that only exist in 2023 (not 2021) across multiple episodes.
But given how the finale played out (and what you noticed about 2020) I’m back to thinking this was just continuity error.
I really can’t accept how the last episode was conducted. It pass from physics and quantum mysteries to absolute mental health? Come one. This can’t be serious.
The ep1 to ep7 was so nice… well developed. The script took a way out with bud and Henry changing places without answering nothing. Did not uncover the mysteries from government… ahhh I need to stop complaining… it will change or answer nothing.
The whole show foreshadowed Schrödinger's cat
I’m so upset, huge let down. They threw us some breadcrumbs for answers, not sure I’ll come back for Season 2 if it comes back.
Yeah...
I thought Bud being left in the snow was weird too. They've dropped some hints about bud/henry I think that will be big in the plot next season. It seems like Henry caused his accident or something like that. Bud says he won the nobel prize so there must be something he invented back before the CAL which could have started the alternate reality nonsense. Also in one of the bud/henry scenes one of them is blaming the other for the accident but they don't really explain any further. Henry might have messed something up pre space in his original universe. I think Bud's accident will be central to next season's plot until the baby gets born. I also don't think there's any precedent for a character seeing two of another character at the same time like Jo saw the other prisoner. Zombie Jo just feels like a wacky jumpscare but this show love's the foggy zombie vibe so who knows. Bud universe paul might have actually died and been replaced by the paul that lost his arm by the way he was looking at his arms so now there is someone in Buds world who knows about the CAL.
I was left scratching my head at the cabin scenes my Brain was braining
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I truly know what you mean. That was almost too tough to follow
Too many cabins!
Season 1, was fine just because it didnt wrap up every unexplained question in a nice bow at the end, it is whats going to make us watch season 2 for them answers
I feel like they're setting up for a second season, and I'm really hoping we get another one