FCOB #28 The Underground Chamber
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2023
- Our area has numerous rock shelters but very few caves and no underground mines that I know of. However there are a few man made underground structures. In this episode we explore one of the most intriguing ones and discover it's purpose.
So glad you came to the conclusion that you did. After you went inside and showed the water and the basin I started yelling at the tv, "It's a spring house!" 😄
That workmanship was beyond incredible!
Hi Terry, I totally agree that it's a Spring house. It really is a beautiful example of one too, it makes sense it was a stonemason that built it.
They could have used rounded stones to get those area's nice and smooth (just an idea). Thank you for sharing, much love. xx 🥰
I heard about this springhouse. Thanks for showing it. Beautiful stonework. The pipe extending down slope would provide hydraulic pressure, allowing running tap water in the upper floors of a building. My guess is that it was built for the hotel or for a prominent residence.
The pipe thing was so obvious it's embarrassing that I missed it. I have been there on the solstice when it lights up the chamber, pretty amazing.
@@forestcountyoutback7540 looks like somebody blew it up with dynamite
@@forestcountyoutback7540 somebody needs to divert the flow of that water, pump what's in the basin out and then excavate the bottom of that basin.
June 30, 2023 … Fantastic, Terry! I really enjoyed your presentation about the “underground chamber”. I’ll look for a return video when you are able to do it. Thanks!
You're spot on, lots of excellent examples of fine stone work all over PA.
I am 61 now but remember hearing about spring houses. I live in the U.K. HATFIELD, Hertfordshire was my home town. Many years of history. Huge mansions and royal Palace etc. So, spring houses were common sp to speak. Great video. Best wishes.
Definitely a springhouse. Thanks for sharing.
So you have see others like this? It would be interesting to see another like this in America... I have been to thousands of springs in my lifetime but i have never seen one with a structure around it like this...
I did a bit of research on stone work. The stones in the basin were not worked with chisels they where sawn. They used hand saws similar to a carpenters saw but heavier duty and with a different tooth pattern. The tool marks on the stones are identical to those left by a stone saw of the 1800's and earlier. Must have been a back breaking job to saw stone by hand.
The signs are all around us and Gods signature everywhere. Civilizations built upon civilizations, one reset after another. Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see. We have been lied too about much.
Except saws for cutting stone in the 1800s the blades would have been circular and required a pulley system to drive them they were rare, expensive and were only use for cutting soft stone, hand masonry saws did not exist at the time.
Prior to that it entailed the cutting of a line of shallow slots in the face of the stone, using a tool called a cape chisel, struck with a heavy hammer. Small, flat steel wedges were then placed between shims of sheet iron and driven into these slots, splitting the stone.
The method that preceded the "stone saw" was “The Helical or Wire Stone Saw” which didn't come about until the mid 1900s and again were very expensive. the stone in question is older than the 1850s so it would have been the the breaking method IF this stone were hewn prior to this time period. Like i said, the technology didn't exist. at any rate its still far too much work and effort for a 19th century farmer to risk his wagon or his horse.
Its nice to see something that old and not tagged by the punks of today, thank you for your efforts!
Thank you I'm glad someone set the purpose of that spring house straight. when I saw that show and they said it was for ritual I sad B.S. it's for protecting the spring .
The TV show just came up with their theories because a spring house would be too boring for TV. Great video.
Agreed.
I think you hit the nail on the head. People today have no idea of a springhouse.
Show me another "spring house" like this in America, just show me the ruminants of one. There are something like 45 hundred springs up and down the Appalachian Trail and some have some pretty elaborate structures around them but there is nothing like this is all of America.
You look to be a seasoned outdoors enthusiast tell me have you ever seen anything like this, even something that closely resembles this? Me either.
Tell me how they logistically where able to move the huge pieces of stone/boulders that are out front? Horse and carriage? Lol
@@ET-sp6qm exactly, welcome to the discussion fellow realm dweller... No one here seems to have an answer to this...
This looks like a very nice beautiful Spring House. We used to have one covered by a small building, with cold spring water coming in and a large cement trough where crocks were partially submerged and kept food cold. Probably other food could be kept there too in the room since the temp is cooler (thus the shelves). Glad you figured it out and also thanks for sharing!
I was going to comment on how impressive that stonework was.
Agreed
The stone work shows just how important the spring house was back in the day
Generations of my heritage on both sides lived and now live in warren county and i spent some time exploring forest county as an adult. I discovered your youtubes when my nephew sent me one i appreciate the time, passion and knowlege you share. Land will reveal itself if one takes time and is willing to learn.
I will keep watching from the prairie land west of chicago.😮
I knew it was a spring house when you first went in (from detailed descriptions in historical literature). It's cool to finally have actually seen one. I believe the vaulted chamber and ventilation shaft was to help convection of warmer air to escape the chamber and thus aid the water in cooling the place.
There is a very similar stone feature in Ohio known as the "Murray Tunnel". The Holmes Co Historical Society had it opened for a short time to investigate, and people came from Midwest Epigraphic Society and others but did not agree on a purpose. It has a spring inside running constantly, but no stone basin to catch it to use it inside. There were pieces of wood found on the barrel roof that were carbon 14 dated to a very very long time ago. Similar location, side of a hill near a farm, but the opening makes a person almost crawl inside, not till it gets toward the back around 20 feet can you stand up. It was found accidentally when a mining company was bulldozing the area to drill for oil, and they cut off the entrance which was totally underground. There is no town nearby, there is a stone quarry not too far away, and the stone work in this one is very professionally laid and same with the corbel roof. Remains a big mystery.
very interesting thank you
I haven't seen the tv show but knew it was a springhouse as soon as you showed the inside. There is one in Eastern Tennessee almost the same. It was built in 1834 by my family members of old. Still there and still could be used.
Right On Man. This is RIGH ON. The History Channel......is like CNN. This is BY FAR. The BEST most realistic video I have seen on this place. Good Job man. This was awesome
Ithe History Channel used to be about history. I stopped watching it when they went tabloid and stated doing fake programs. Anyone who thinks Ice Road Truckers or Alaskan Bush People is real should contact me about a bridge I have for sale.
@@forestcountyoutback7540 I will watch anything you do on this man. it would be great if you could see what that says on that wall.
We will be headed back to try tracing and better lights.
@@forestcountyoutback7540 honestly, before the History Channel went tabloid, they had gotten really lazy. I don’t know for sure how they produced their shows, but it seemed like they had bought a bunch of WWII stock footage and told their producers to write shows around the stock footage. The result was WWII documentaries all using the same footage, the same shots of tanks on maneuvers, the same shots of Hitler or Churchill walking around or giving a speech, the same airplanes, artillery, and soldiers mugging for the camera. A friend of mine called it The Hitler Channel, and that pretty much fits.
CNN is cable news. I don’t think you can compare it to the History Channel or other low effort basic cable programming, but it’s just news (I’m not interested in evening opinion shows). Modern TV news is lowest common denominator. Oh, I do sometimes watch one opinion show: Morning Joe. CNN is what it is, but it’s not part of a loony tunes deep state conspiracy.
I came here after I saw your posting on the Nathanael Fossaaen channel. I agree that it's a really nice springhouse, probably associated with the ritzy resort hotels downslope at the time. As you point out, the entrance has collapsed and it would have been more accessible when it was first built. I'm impressed, reading the comments, at how the willfully ignorant can interpret the obvious as evidence of the arcane, even when you explain how obvious it is. You tell us that a bunch of experienced stone masons built a blast furnace nearby, but the notion that the hotel might have gotten them to build a springhouse when they were out of work afterwards doesn't occur to them. Europe and the eastern US are full of 19th century and older stone buildings with much more perfect and polished stone work, but this springhouse couldn't have been built with hand tools.
They also don't seem to have a concept of how much heavy manual labour like earthmoving can be accomplished in a short time with hand tools by people who are used to it and know what to do, moreso with the help of draft animals, or how quickly and accurately experienced masons can build a wall.
Btw, if you've got a historical society in the area, they might be able to help you with researching the past of site and the town the hotels were in, in courthouse records or elsewhere. Maybe someone at the courthouse or library can help you, or direct you to someone who can.
We got some good laughs from some of the comments. I was disappointed that they didn't latch onto my Ancient Elvis theory ,I thought it made more sense than Scott's Irish monks or Freemasons. Until I started doing my videos I really did not appreciate the amount of stone work and earth moving they did in the 1800's. i am a retired heavy equipment operator so I am used to moving dirt and heavy objects but all I can say when I look at these old sites is DAMN.
Thanks for checking us out, hope you enjoyed the video.
@@forestcountyoutback7540 I live in downtown Toronto, in an area built up before WWI. Lots are narrow and houses close together. Indeed, many are semidetached. When my neighbour on the other side of the semi wanted to build an extension on the back of his house, there was no way to get even a small machine like a bobcat in. He got together some relatives and friends and over a long weekend they dug out a cellar about 20 by 20 feet and at least 8 feet deep, just with picks, shovels and wheelbarrows, in very heavy silt subsoil. They were mostly immigrants from the Azores and knew how to do an excavation, digging so that they had a ramp for as long as possible, then lifting out the rest with block and tackle.
Back in the old days they had a lot of horse drawn equipment that's mostly forgotten now. There's a tool called a horse scoop that a single person and a horse can use to dig trenches and other holes. I've seen a foundation/low cellar for a small cabin dug with one and an old tractor. There are also stone boats, flat bottomed sledges made of wooden beams, that could easily move several of those lintel stones or quite a pile of the stones they used for walls even uphill with a draft horse.
I suppose my house and my neighbour's were built with human and horse power. I think they had steam power excavating equipment then, but I don't know if it was used for houses, just large buildings. The houses are solid brick masonry with stone foundations and I don't think any Etruscans or Irish monks or space aliens were involved. To be polite about your theory, I'll concede that Ancient Elvis might have been the foreman. People in those times didn't think there was anything unusual about working long days of heavy manual labour. It was what most people did.
What a cool place ! I'm happy and surprised to see it's not all spray painted with graffiti and crap ! Thanks for sharing! Mike Welland Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
That's because its location has been kept a secret by those who know its location. its a good bit off the beaten path and not easily accessible. its a rare treasure and needs to be studied by a qualified historian who doesn't have an agenda. to be honest i am surprised it wasn't destroyed a long time ago.
I live in Lackawanna County PA. This channel is great
It’s one hell of a spring house. No matter who done it, pretty damm cool I say a lot of work!!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Great Video! New subscriber also. I think that maybe the spring was built in this way to keep it from freezing also? Because if your going to have farm you need either a well or a spring 365 days a year. And i also agree that they definitely could have also used it as refrigeration . I live in far northern Dutchess county NY up in the mountains and your right about that TV show. If we dont have water we would die in 3 days. When they settled an area the first thing they built was a well and a church. In this case they have this perfect pure spring water. Uncontaminated because its at a high elevation. and underground. That thing i bet has been running nonstop for 2-300 years. Isnt it strange finding springs at the top of a mountain? you would think that most sources or springs would be found at lower elevations. In the future it very good you know about that place, the way we are headed you may need a good source of pure water . Thank you! From Upstate NY
Sure would be interesting to see how they built it and moved those big rocks. Also be cool to find the source where the big ones were mined and how they moved them.
I knew what it was when I had seen the basin and the spring. The masons that built this knew what they were doing. The only spring house I had seen before this was at Renderbrook springs on the Spade Ranch in Mitchell county, Texas. It didn’t have the arched ceiling and the basin was larger to put their crockery in. My Grandpa (Born September 14, 1885 )used to tell me 5:52 about getting milk out of the spring house. I loved seeing this and looking at the work these stone masons could do. We have a lot of German settlers who founded towns in Texas. They built some of the most beautiful structures because of their knowledge of masonry.
How much do you reckon those boulders placed out front weighed? Do you honestly believe wooden horse carriage wheels where able to transport stones that are heavier than a 1 ton pickup?
@@ET-sp6qm You wouldn't haul them on a carriage, you'd hitch up your big draft horses to a stoneboat and drag them.
Great Show Great Show!! I think you are absolutely correct in assuming this is a spring water house . Quite obvious ! You're not taking any showers down there !! Thanks again ! Kevin in France and Florida !
For me, this chamber and its use is quite obvious and very cool. Cool being the operative word here.
Back in the day this chamber was used for cold storage. An ice box. The spring would freeze in the winter and remain frozen well into the spring keeping meat and vegetables cold for long term storage throughout the year. This one was very well built to stand the ages. Great subject!
Beautiful spring house. I can just imagine cans of milk sitting on the rock shelf.
That's awesome Terry! I would love to see it in person. Thanks for sharing!
Awesome show !!!✌🍀Best of luck to ya....👊
First time seeing your channel...really enjoyed the video. I will definitely watch more. Thanks.
Congratulations Sir as i understand you one of the good ones with their God given Common Since and know how to use said gift ,thanks for the show.
Yes, I remember seeing the show your referencing, where they went all around the country, world if I remember correctly, and of course they have to sell a show, so drama has to be injected. Your right though, it’s a spring house not much more, however it would be VERY interesting to know what those carvings say and who inscribed it. Great video, thanks so much!
Awesome Terry! You've sunk to low depths! I came home from my camp today. I went on You Tube and what a nice surprise! Thank you!
I know you were one of my early followers back when I did them on Facebook. Thanks for staying with me. Glad that you are still enjoying the vids.
I'm with you, spring house. I'm from Pleasantville, almost neighbors! My grandparents went to school in pithole.
Pitthole is actually a good idea for a future video!
Definitely a springhouse and a pipe outlet to another occupied building. Probably the hydraulic pressure for a ramjet pump up to an attic cistern for gravity flow indoor plumbing. I have seen this before in an1840's Maryland farmhouse and also on an 1800s farm in southwest Virginia. Good show.
Very interesting. I also believe that it's a spring house used to supply water an keep goods chilled. 👍🇺🇲✌️
My what a fancy springbox....mighty fine masonry work too....this woulda been an awesome spring and location during prohibition 😁👍
Fantastic!!
Just found something. On the internet search, Hertfordshire, England. Old Spring Houses, INSIDE pictures. There are many, they look the same layout inside. Hope this helps your quest. UK.
I'm with you on this one doesn't look at all like mason's touched it, simple water hole done well and pun intended 😁
I've watched too many movies for me to go into a hole in the ground in the deep dark woods. You're so brave! :-). (Here from the archaeology channel....)
Thanks for your work
100K views! Congratulations!!
What an amazing find
3:13 July 23, 2023. Just watched this video. Fascinating place. These one very much like it in Holmes County , Ohio, near Nashville, Ohio. Very much same. Gave me chills. I don’t think its a spring house. Why go to all the trouble of aligning it with the solctice? That fact eliminated the spring house for me. There’s a spring house at my family farm, easily accessed, wide enough to allow containers of milk and other food to be easily carried in and out. That chambers does not allow easy access. Where does the water flow to? Didn’t show the area outside the tunnel, not muddy flowing stream i think. Water goes under ground. There was too much time and effort put into I that to have it be a spring house. Chip off some of the mortor and have it analyzed. Like now. The possible inscriptions: take a heavy brush in there and try to clean it. I agree it is probably much later ,done by jsut visitors…not original builders and those who used it. In Ohio there is a stone structure built a crossed a small valley on a stone outcropping. No other exploration done that i know of. Ohio tunnel, The Murry Tunnel, is located in a valley not far from a good size river. I don’t know of any settlement near but except the existing town. There is a house above it, on the same piece of property currently. And a barn near buy that is “modern”. The theories on it are the same as those put out for yours. I’m not sure how tall yours is? I’m following you now.
is located
Sounds good . My grand parents talked about their spring house in west virginia. They all had to be hard workers back then . They appreciated more of there lives back then . Im sure some would have liked more conviences
It is exquisite work, I would love to see the Lydar Images!
That is the most elaborate springhouse. We had a spring house on our farm. Yes there should be a farm house near by.
It would be interesting to follow the road that you were walking on.
We know the location of the farmhouse. It is not near the springhouse. Given the location this springhouse must have been supplying water to houses in the valley. We are thinking there was probably another spring nearer to the the farmhouse. When the brush is down in the fall we are going to do some more exploring in that area.
I saw the show, and I was skeptical of all the hype. Anyone growing up in rural PA would know that is a spring house. One suggestion: Next year, you might want to get permission from the landowner to trim a few tree branches to let the light in. Great video!
Really no need to trim branches enough sunlight filters through as it is. As the sun nears the horizon the open end of the tunnel lights up and it progress to the rear of the chamber. Really awesome. The first day I was filming I was setting up the camera to do a time lapse when the clouds rolled in and that was the end of that. If it had been Knights or Freemasons wouldn't they have carved their symbol somewhere? I believe my theory of Ancient Elvis to be more likely.
all that work to build a hewn stone structure around it when there are so many trees in the area? risk the lives of their horses or damage to their wagon to drag stone up there to build a cut stone chamber around a watering hole. Its the only structure of its kind in all of Pennsylvania but you recognized it as a spring house 🤣🤣🤣
@@UrbCrafter Oy vey. Did you not see the old roadbed just above the spring as he hiked in..?? And... I believe he mentioned 2 things you seemed to have missed: 1) The trees were not there in the 1800s (cut down for building) and 2) There are other springhouses in Pa. This isn't a "watering hole" - it's a spring house to keep perishables cold. Pretty important in the days before refrigeration..!
@@thea5714 Maybe you didn't see my other post, during the period this is being claimed to have been constructed ice boxes were well in use, there were ice houses everywhere and the harvesting of ice was a yearly tradition. you nor he have any idea if there were trees much less a road there in the 1800s.
Yes there are many spring houses in the area i have been to dozens of them, there are also caves and even deep caverns all over the area as well as dozens of ruins from various structures, homes, mills and coal mines but there is nothing that compares to the stone work in this structure.
Also building a spring house then burying it under earth is not a common practice anywhere in north America or any other country i have visited. This is a chamber that appears to have been much longer at one point as the stones out front suggest this. This is not the typical construction of a 19th century spring house. This is something else, This is a very unique site.
Spring houses were built using either stacked stone collected from the landscape or lumber milled from the land or a combination of the two they were not built with hewn stone...
The mortar used in the construction is reminiscent more so of Roman concrete than it is of 19th century cement. Whoever built this was a skilled craftsmen with a great deal of knowledge in masonry. again not a task for a stone mason farmer from the 1800s.
Just look at the other stone work in the area. that is the tell tale evidence that this was not built in the 1800s, this was built by someone with a level of forgotten knowledge that the people of the 1800s just didn't possess.
That's a great way to keep your gravity-fed water system clean
Enjoyed a beverage or two on that stream as a teenager.
Wow...cool👍
I live close to this. Just a spring house, I have found all different types. Commonly cement and brick. This is just an older one
Older that you know, lots of different types but nothing even close to this... This is unique, one of a kind. Nothing like it in all of Pennsylvania much less America.
They are all over in Pennsylvanian. Being a resident and hiker I would know lol
@@andrewnicholson2339 Of course they are i have seen thousands of them myself on the trails all across America, thousands on the AT, just non as unique as this one, kind of elaborate for a watering hole dont you think? The more elaborate are wood or stacked stone, the majority are just a pile of rocks and a pipe coming out of the ground...
Who takes the time to hewn stone build a chamber and cover it with earth in the 1800s, that's a lot of work and risk to ones livelihood for a fancy watering hole out in the sticks.
For the record I'm less than 10 min walking distance from the Pa. border, i grew up in the woods of Ohio and Pa. found a lot of strange stuff out there in the woods, old mines, caves, caverns, and the odd ruins of 18th 19th and 20th century civilization but i haven't seen too many hewn stone spring houses in the middle of the forest, especially ones with no aqueduct or at lease a primitive manner of transportation for the water to reach the main structure. like i said pretty elaborate for a watering hole...
@@UrbCrafter it's nice it's not as nice as people think, I am a stoneMason, so were they. I have seen way fancier and better stone work in them,
@@andrewnicholson2339 Yes it is, ......as nice as people think. lets just say i have a personal connection to this site. the margin of error in the carving of that stone is very small. 1800s technology would have required several attempts at those stones, where are the mistakes the practice stones, the defective starts? they would be at some homestead near by being used as a foundation stone or an ornament in someone's lawn, these stones just dont go missing there is always a history behind these things IF they were made by stone mason farmers.
I'd love to see someone put a level on that "basin" as its being called. your telling me a stone mason farmer took the time and has that level of skill to create that? in the 1800s? lets see the other stone works from the area? lets see some work that flawless in the local architecture from the period.
I have been to Peru, Japan, England, Scotland, Ireland and most of the sites across north America, i know impressive stone work when i see it. This is pretty damn impressive for a hole in the ground in Pa. supposedly carved by a stone mason farmer... i just dont buy it.
It is clear that the stone of the walls were mortared. The structure itself did not need mortar due to its robust and accurate construction. The structure would be very self supporting for thousands of years.
Therefore the mortar was used to make it watertight.
The slabs outside indicate it extended out from the hill.
If these too were water tight then they would have been outside cistern thereby doubling the water volume at least.
When full ,the entire chamber would be full of water as would the outside reservoir.
Looking at the size this would have been about 4000 gallons of water which would be constantly replenished from the stream.
This cistern would be a significant head to provide very good water pressure at the bottom of the slope with unlimited pure springwater.
When found it would have been a constant trickle out onto the hill that was year round.
It is the year round aspect which caused the significant work.
This is an extremely rare thing to have an high slope spring.
Most springs exit at a stream or river in low areas.
So the site is a continuous high pressure source of water for those below as a cistern.
The pool inside was to capture settled clay,sand and gravel which would be cleaned now and again thereby ensuring clean water.
Pipes then were made of wood slats in a circle , tarred on the outside and wrapped with tarred hemp thin rope. Mines used these regularly.
That was a good one my friend very interesting
Yeah, going to be hard to top that one.
Possibly a lagering cave to slow ferment beer. Looks like a small version of some I have seen in Wisconsin
I like ur viewpoint.
Beautiful! If you like to see if what looks like script has anything to it, maybe place a soft thin paper over it and gently rub the side of a crayon or a soft pencil against it so the surface underneath will leave marks showing if anything was carved there.
looks nice, like an old milkhouse. kept dairy cool. good place to keep some ice and fresh H2O
Good cool place to store food as well as supply of clean water .
I'm from west virginia & that's the nicest spring house i hv ever seen..
Yup,, built by a german stone mason..
Hadda much smaller version on my property & my uncle who lived out by Sand Hill hadda nice walk in one on hz place.
Absolutely a spring house. Churn basin is beautiful.
A churn basin huh? 🤣🤣🤣, in a watering hole?
That’s how butter was made!
@@paulpitzer5107 Yes in a butter churn, not in a hewn stone tub in the middle of the woods...
@@UrbCrafterbro I’m with your line of thinking on this but you have to see that it is a convenient spot to quickly cool things down too..
@@DrewishBear That it is and i did consider that but its a little elaborate in a time when most people had ice boxes even in rural Pa., the ice house was just down the road and yearly ice harvests were still a huge thing in Pennsylvania.
I can think of a hundred reasons for it being there but nothing warrants the time and effort that went into building it. even back then there were modern replacements for it.
Manual well pumps were common and available since the 1750s, i still find working well pumps out in the middle of nowhere in Pa. No houses around no ruins no foundations but there in the middle of the woods there is a well pump.
Same with ice houses, they are everywhere in Pa. mostly ruins today but there are a few still intact and being repurposed for smoke house and storage as well as a few that have been restored for tourism and a few in local parks. This is an OOPART it i have ever seen one...
I to thought spring house, very well made for sure.
In the back oak stop logs would be placed and stacked up for water pressure and build up so as to not run dry when using. Bottom log would have a hole and could be drained by pulling sluice door from above.tgis system is still in use today .I believe it's a sluice type chamber in the back.that overflow is where you drain sluice gate from top if you need to tighten up leaks
Those shelves were probably where horizontal kickers sat and tightened up against a vertical stiff back against the horizontal stop logs
The TV show I recall you referencing was not allowed to enter the property. Is it open to the public now?
It appears to me to have a date of 1819 on that back stone. Either way I have seen several of these in the New England area, most if not all were used as root cellars. Summertime food storage in a cool place was vital back then.
Bingo ... that's what said . Spring house made in early colonial times. I have a spring house across the road from me. Made in the late 1800s . 2 of the 3 most important native sites within distance walking of my home have fresh water springs . Water was a top priority to the ancients for survival. But knights temple and Aliens have more click bate . People will say and do anything for likes and notoriety✌️😎 common sense can solve most the world's problems.
Wow the Basin had a Concentric Crescent/ Half-Circle Intake and Drain..... CRAFTSMANSHIP WAS CRAZY....
RUclips sent me this and it is very interesting. I believe that it was a spring house as well. When you were standing outside in the beginning you mentioned that you thought the chamber was longer. After you went inside, I believe that it did as well. The builder would not have made the entrance go up hill as water flows downhill. If there was a pipe, they would need gravity to make it flow. Over time, that part of the chamber probably collapsed. It would be interesting if it was dug out to see if the theory is true.
It may not show in the video but it is obvious the first 10 feet of the tunnel either collapsed or was pulled down.
Pipes were wood back then/square.
Having visited the spring cave inside out, Oct. 2021. Your documentary is right on. The stone work is compatible with the forge and water trench craftsmanship below. The shelving surrounding the basin to accommodate containers. The previous inlet being 10 to 14 feet longer would not support the solstice alignment theory.
I said that the solstice alignment was accidental but a lot of people don't want to hear that, htanks for backing me up on that.
I agree with your hypothesis. It looks more utility like to me and based on the work that went into the basin and lentil stones whoever built clearly had the skill to make it much nicer if it was intended to be for something religious or ritualistic. As far as the orientation it could be coincidental because it sorta looks like they took advantage of a natural crevice but it could also be as simple as some type of tradition to aways face the entrance a certain way
As I replied to another comment, would not the Knights or Freemasons have left one of their symbols? I think the orientation was just a coincident, you have to take your springs where you find them. After they built the chamber they moved a lot of dirt to cover it. Several yards off to one side is a pit where they dug out earth to cover it. I meant to film that also but forgot about it with everything else going on.
@@forestcountyoutback7540or did someone try to cover it up after the fact…? 🤔
Must have been a lot of work. How cool would it be to find something like this on your property?
Where does the water run? Because I hear it dripping but that basin is not overflowing.
Nice 🏆 ty
Thanks!!!!
It is so beautiful!! Man, i gues we were better thousands of years ago 😅😅
you think something that took that much time to plan and build accidentally lined up with the summer solstice?
This is great footage! loved it, though i see two different kinds of construction there, the stones at the basin are of course much older than the rest of the dry wall construction, the scratches do not look like tool marks to me because the fittings between them stones are just 100% perfect, that looks like casted in place artificial stone to me, some in the academia call it Geo Polymer, and those marks on the surfaces look like the ones the cement leaves when casted between textiles, wodden framing and bolts, check out Dr. Joseph Davidovits and Geo Polymer institute, they have done an awesome job!
The fact that this "spring house" was made with high skill and precision is also indicative of the fact that it was constructed with precision with alignment to the summer soltice; therefore, it was not by "accident".
About the sun shining in most old farmhouses for face to the South so the sun hit the front of your house it only makes sense my house faces to the South but it was built a hundred years ago today they build them anywhere . You sure don't want the cold winter winds hitting the front of your house from the north .
That clown on the history Channel tried to say it was something else. It's just a place to keep things cold there's lot of them in basements all over pa in old homesteads . Seen a few over the years . There was homes places where there not today people moved away tore down or burnt down ect .Especially in oil county when the oil ran out people left . Just up the road Pithole once had thousands of people now it just a field on a hillside . It lasted about three years in the 1870's they tore it all down and hauled it all away even three hotels. I love forest county spending a couple weeks a year there . I think I know where it's at but won't say . Thanks nice video. Want a good dinner go up to Sam's in Titusville great food or the log cabin down in Seneca. Or a sub in Leeper . 😊👍🍺
The basin was for holding a burlap-wrapped whisky jug, just like Gus McCrae had in Lonesome Dove.
A cool pull in a cool place on a hot day, or in secret; away from prying eyes.
Very Cool springhouse! I live in a nearby state with somewhat younger springhouses and storage sights. Sadly some of haven't stood the test of time like the others even ones in PA.
Going to the funny Ancient Elvis theory it reminds me of the channels Miniminuteman and World of Antiquities who are anthropologists and historians respectively, on their channels have been to Turkey. In that country at places like Mount Nemrut and Yazılıkaya there are some statues and figures that looks like elvis
Ah ha!! Proof of the Time Traveling Elvis theory or is it hypothesis? After reading your post I applied for a visa to Turkey, but the ambassador denied it. What are they hiding? They won't let me visit because I know too much, just like Scott.
Great video! Go to the court house trace the land deed back see who owned it
Reminds me of the old spring house in Pennsylvania where i grew up.
I wonder if you could get some charcoal rubs of the carvings to be able to read them? It would be interesting to see what they say, “graffiti“ or not.
We plan to go back when we have more time and see what we can find out.
I believe that what on the stones inside it just unimportant signs ..there were similar to it on the stones outside and not connected to each others..
Definitely Freemason. Early 1800s. I would guess on the summer solstice the spring or basin would have been illuminated by the sun. I'm only a few minutes in but immediately knew because of the spring and keystone. There are several still around.
Lol, yup.... thought so. A spring house would not have a reason to be aligned on the solstice nor need to be so ornate and would not need to be as confined. It would be mad to build it that way. In life there are no coincidences.
O, the ritualistic bath isn't a loofah scrub down, hands, feet, face, something of the sorts. No Irish Spring soap involved. Excellent find! I wish we had some cool things like that here.
giving serious fountain of youth vibes there
So that chamber you entered by would have drained water to someone’s house or a farm pond? I’ve seen rivers with a pipe that runs a distance into a pond. Often for milling. Good ideas.
Not enough flow from that spring to power a mill, but there is a large stream in the valley that powered the furnace. so I would guess the pipe was for domestic use. It has to be remembered that the spring was part of a larger landscape. You have to study that landscape to figure out how the individual feature fit in.
I have been to two springs in southern Alabama and NW Florida that have very similar lintels and stonework at the boil(underwater cave entrance)..maybe these structures were built when sea level was lower🤔
That’s an old liquor storage hideaway back during Prohibition.
Yeah , before you went back in, I was going to say . This almost for sure , unless it was a HUGE farm with lots of farm hands , is way to elaborate for a single farm . Also , that it did not make sense that there wasn't a " door " opening to fetch water . But your son cleared that up . IDK how far down the hill the Hotel / town was . But for every 2.3 foot of elevation, creates 1 PSI of water pressure at the base . Now , what kind of PIPE did they run back then ?! Cool video !
Pipe could have been wood more likely it was iron.
@@forestcountyoutback7540 By the roundness of the hole your son found I'd think so also . I just didn't know they had metal pipe back then ?! I have seen old wooden water mains though :D Wow , I just looked it up . The first were used in Philly in the 1810's ... Wow , had no idea !
It might also have been lead.
Looks like b a good cold storage area, if spring running better
We call those a "Cistern". A water source for a settlement or a mine.
I think I've been under a rock, myself. What was the name of this TV show you referenced and what network?
So the spring house seems to have been longer b4 a collapsed. Would the sun still have been able to do the same summer solstice thing at the time of construction?
That is a very good question, one we debated. We don't know, depending on the original length of the tunnel maybe not.
I agree with you in the spring house, we have one almost identical to it in construction in Ohio near Holmes County, except for the stonework, and experts say that it was built by pre columbus Vikings. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸%
Now you my friend might be on to something, its defiantly pre-Columbian but far older than the Vikings. Looks strikingly similar to Phoenician Architecture...