Hi All, I'm currently based in China. I have been on a hunt for a second hand bike to travel across China and Tibet. Chinese are not great with maintenance. Actually not sure if they have this word in the dictionary:-). What I should pay attention to when buying a second hand Tenere (2nd gen)? I mainly travel with my wife as pillion passenger. Is this bike suitable for traveling 2up? Piotr, swietny film. Bardzo pomocny. Bylbym wdzieczny za wszelkie porady przed zakupem.
So ALL dislikes are ... 1. Weight, but it is not heavier than other bikes in the same segment. 2. Drive shaft seals. But I think you just had bad luck with that, because I hadn't heard that before. (And I've heard that with a GS you can have some serious issues with the driveshaft as well.) 3.Sensitivity of a pressure cleaner? Seriously??? This is not a Yamaha problem. 4. Wind shield. Okay you didn't like it. But it was not even that bad that you bother to change it. And there are several aftermarket shields available. And that's more of a personal thing than a real dislike in my opinion. So overall very good.
The problem with the Gs driveshaft is bmw says it’s not a serviceable part apart from drive oil changes. Lies. The splines and U joints need to be greased every 12k. Not hard to do but if you don’t it will fail much sooner. With good maintenance you will still have to replace it every 100k minimum. If there is any side to side slack in rear wheel the u joint is going bad. Still Not near as good of a design as a s10 which is bulletproof like most anything Yamaha. Ted porter at beemer bone shop is coming out with a gs driveshaft where you can replace worn parts instead of having to replace the whole shaft. He has been making one for years on the older gs bikes with good reviews.
Use wet micro fiber towels and then detailer to clean outside. Only clean inside by hand. Never "car" or pressure wash a motorcycle. After each long ride clean fork tubes and discs with alcohol. Use rainX on windshield. Change shaft drive oil every other engine oil change. Lucas heavy duty 80-90w shaft oill. Lucas motorcycle oil additive will quiet engine and improve shifting. Direct fuel injection can build carbon in engine. Accelerate while riding to 6500 rpms occasionally or use safe fuel injection cleaner. A good run to 200kph will clear the carbon out. Ride bike every two weeks, if possible. Running only not good. Maintenance is cheap, repairs are expensive. Those who added full crash bars, aux. lights, tank bags, etc. are the ones complaining about top heavy experience. Yamaha made the COG low. Altering bike has consequences.
Good review, thank you for sharing. I had a 2017 Africa Twin and very much enjoy it. I found the build quality was superb, the only two things I did not like about the AT were chain drive and did not have tubeless tires. Now for some folks, tubeless tires are not an issue and the top of the line AT now has tubeless tires. I sold my AT and I am now in the market for a used bike....I looked at used R1200 GS but the prices are insane and honestly, I do not trust the build quality. The bike that I'm now looking at is the Super Tenere (hands down) the best bike in this segment in my option.
Yeah, I'm in the market for my first poly-cylinder adventure bike and I keep bouncing between a used AT or used ST. I have a 450 for hard enduro so I'd like something I can take on a long trip and not be afraid of taking a dirt road. I edge towards the ST because of the cruise on newer models and road wheels.
Power washers are bad news for bikes. I make sure I stand well back whilst cleaning mine so I don't force water into places it would go with normal driving. On a sad not I believe the T12 has now been discontinued due to Euro5. There are rumours of a T9 to replace it.
Excellent review. Spot on. I'm at 120km and 10th year of ownership. Major problems only 2, throtle body and ABS module failure. Other than that it is boring and reliable. ;)
I enjoyed your review. My Super Tenere is also 10 years old (2011 model), and I have it for 9 years. Almost 60 000km on the clock. I also had an oil leak on the diff a while ago. Fork seals were replaced a year ago. I run it now on Michelin Anakee Adventure tyres. I don't have any complaints about the bike, and I love riding it.
25,000 miles (~40,000km), 6 years: Have had the well-known 'hard-start' issue, both front fork stanchions rusted so both had to be replaced as they caused the fork seals to leak, rear wheel oil seal has never leaked (I changed my final drive oil every year), battery weak after 5 years so replaced it, I never wash my bike so have not had any rust/spark plug issues, Yamaha screen could be better, headlight wiring harness replaced under warranty, seat is very good, stable at very high speed. Would I buy another? Yes.
This review deserves much more credit! You can’t replace the time and miles put on a bike with a quick ride review. Looking to get a 2014 Super Tenere soon so thank you for this review. Safe riding !
Agree! The long-term reviews are the most useful. Just bought a 2013 S10 with low miles and low cost. A few glitches in the first few hundred km and that was not unexpected. Looking forward to racking up 6-figures of miles/Km in he next several years.
Great review. Thanks for taking the time to share your findings on the Super T. I just bought a 2020 model in New Mexico with 550 miles, then rode it back to Kentucky via I-40. Really love this machine.
All that was great to hear. Your review at 90,000kms, mine currently at 40,000kms. Was debating on the T7 but knowing I should be good to 100,000kms just reminded me of the lack of “Drama” associated with this bike. Best bike I’ve ever had, and so I’ll keep it for another 40,000kms at least. I did a review of mine when there weren’t any on the internet. There is value to your comments for all of us...current riders and perspective buyers. Thanks. Shane
I agree that it is a heavy bike. I had a 2013 basic ST, then upgraded to an ES in 2015. Bought it used, it had 9,000 miles. I've had zero service issues (but for tires). I don't use a pressure washer! On the rear end, I've changed the rear end oil every 20,000 miles Ooops, I did think of one, I've replaced headlights on occasion. At least three in my 50,000 miles.
I'm curious what was causing the rear shaft seals to fail. I put 98,170km on my first '17 S10 with no shaft drive issues at all (wasn't a pavement queen). That bike was very sound. I did one valve check (in spec) and plug replacement and that was it. Original fork seals, battery, rear shock, rotors, brake fluid, clutch fluid and coolant. Build quality was excellent. That said my second '19 S10 had a bad ETCV from the factory and need a Throttle Body replacement, otherwise great.
@@Teneretraveler Actually I avoid highways if at all possible. Probably about 5% highway, 10-15% dirt/gravel. I live in New England and ride year round. I am still waiting to get my '19 back as the throttle body is on back order.
Hi! Thanks a lot for this video! It was very useful to me taking in consideration the fact that I'm thinking at this motorcycle as my next bike. I hope you won't mind if I'm gonna ask you just one single question. If you were about to change your motorcycle tomorrow, would you trade it for a brand new 2021 Yamaha Tenere? Thanks a lot! Wish you only safe rides! You have a new follower btw -::))!
Thanks Piotr for this succinct review! (thumbs up) Can you recommend tires for mainly road use (perhaps 80/20-ish?) that are quiet and have good grip? I currently have Heidenau K60 Scout, front and rear; I believe the front tire is noisy at around 60 mph (~95 km/h). Thanks!
I’m running Metzeler Next on mine. Handles good , very quiet and good wear. I’m at 6000 miles and the rear seems to be about 1/2 worn. The front needs to be replaced soon.
My 2013 has 183,000 ks. Just replaced rear diff oil seal ,good for another 100k.
Cool, looking to pick up a 2013 model soon with 50k km on the clocks
Hi All, I'm currently based in China. I have been on a hunt for a second hand bike to travel across China and Tibet. Chinese are not great with maintenance. Actually not sure if they have this word in the dictionary:-). What I should pay attention to when buying a second hand Tenere (2nd gen)? I mainly travel with my wife as pillion passenger. Is this bike suitable for traveling 2up? Piotr, swietny film. Bardzo pomocny. Bylbym wdzieczny za wszelkie porady przed zakupem.
So ALL dislikes are ...
1. Weight, but it is not heavier than other bikes in the same segment.
2. Drive shaft seals. But I think you just had bad luck with that, because I hadn't heard that before. (And I've heard that with a GS you can have some serious issues with the driveshaft as well.)
3.Sensitivity of a pressure cleaner? Seriously??? This is not a Yamaha problem.
4. Wind shield. Okay you didn't like it. But it was not even that bad that you bother to change it. And there are several aftermarket shields available. And that's more of a personal thing than a real dislike in my opinion.
So overall very good.
The problem with the Gs driveshaft is bmw says it’s not a serviceable part apart from drive oil changes. Lies. The splines and U joints need to be greased every 12k. Not hard to do but if you don’t it will fail much sooner. With good maintenance you will still have to replace it every 100k minimum. If there is any side to side slack in rear wheel the u joint is going bad. Still Not near as good of a design as a s10 which is bulletproof like most anything Yamaha. Ted porter at beemer bone shop is coming out with a gs driveshaft where you can replace worn parts instead of having to replace the whole shaft. He has been making one for years on the older gs bikes with good reviews.
Use wet micro fiber towels and then detailer to clean outside. Only clean inside by hand. Never "car" or pressure wash a motorcycle. After each long ride clean fork tubes and discs with alcohol. Use rainX on windshield. Change shaft drive oil every other engine oil change. Lucas heavy duty 80-90w shaft oill. Lucas motorcycle oil additive will quiet engine and improve shifting. Direct fuel injection can build carbon in engine. Accelerate while riding to 6500 rpms occasionally or use safe fuel injection cleaner. A good run to 200kph will clear the carbon out. Ride bike every two weeks, if possible. Running only not good. Maintenance is cheap, repairs are expensive. Those who added full crash bars, aux. lights, tank bags, etc. are the ones complaining about top heavy experience. Yamaha made the COG low. Altering bike has consequences.
I ride GS1200 and hate it so much. I always wanted to get Super Tenere but unfortunately it's not popular in my country
Good review, thank you for sharing. I had a 2017 Africa Twin and very much enjoy it. I found the build quality was superb, the only two things I did not like about the AT were chain drive and did not have tubeless tires. Now for some folks, tubeless tires are not an issue and the top of the line AT now has tubeless tires. I sold my AT and I am now in the market for a used bike....I looked at used R1200 GS but the prices are insane and honestly, I do not trust the build quality. The bike that I'm now looking at is the Super Tenere (hands down) the best bike in this segment in my option.
Yeah, I'm in the market for my first poly-cylinder adventure bike and I keep bouncing between a used AT or used ST. I have a 450 for hard enduro so I'd like something I can take on a long trip and not be afraid of taking a dirt road. I edge towards the ST because of the cruise on newer models and road wheels.
The build quality of GS is better than almost any other bike. It’s the over engineering that gets you
all true✅
I sold mine but regretted. Thinking of buying again.
yep, same here. Great bike
I have mine 40.000 kms no problem on the drive shaft whatsoever! And cero, I mean it, cero issues at all!
Power washers are bad news for bikes. I make sure I stand well back whilst cleaning mine so I don't force water into places it would go with normal driving. On a sad not I believe the T12 has now been discontinued due to Euro5. There are rumours of a T9 to replace it.
Yamaha's and Hondas are very car like in their reliability and ease of use. They are more tool than toy.
Excellent review. Spot on. I'm at 120km and 10th year of ownership. Major problems only 2, throtle body and ABS module failure. Other than that it is boring and reliable. ;)
I enjoyed your review. My Super Tenere is also 10 years old (2011 model), and I have it for 9 years. Almost 60 000km on the clock. I also had an oil leak on the diff a while ago. Fork seals were replaced a year ago. I run it now on Michelin Anakee Adventure tyres. I don't have any complaints about the bike, and I love riding it.
Hoi Jaco,
Bevalt de motor goed? Ik ben aan het oriënteren naar een S10
25,000 miles (~40,000km), 6 years: Have had the well-known 'hard-start' issue, both front fork stanchions rusted so both had to be replaced as they caused the fork seals to leak, rear wheel oil seal has never leaked (I changed my final drive oil every year), battery weak after 5 years so replaced it, I never wash my bike so have not had any rust/spark plug issues, Yamaha screen could be better, headlight wiring harness replaced under warranty, seat is very good, stable at very high speed.
Would I buy another? Yes.
This review deserves much more credit! You can’t replace the time and miles put on a bike with a quick ride review. Looking to get a 2014 Super Tenere soon so thank you for this review. Safe riding !
Agree! The long-term reviews are the most useful.
Just bought a 2013 S10 with low miles and low cost.
A few glitches in the first few hundred km and that was not unexpected.
Looking forward to racking up 6-figures of miles/Km in he next several years.
had one super tenere and this is that best review ever seen!
impartiality with what is good and bad
cheers
glad to hear that :)
Great review. Thanks for taking the time to share your findings on the Super T. I just bought a 2020 model in New Mexico with 550 miles, then rode it back to Kentucky via I-40. Really love this machine.
The moral of the story, never use a pressure washer on a motorcycle. Great review.
Well done mate. Take care,
I like those stickers man. You earned them. I am interested in this bike, so I appreciate your comprehensive review
All that was great to hear. Your review at 90,000kms, mine currently at 40,000kms. Was debating on the T7 but knowing I should be good to 100,000kms just reminded me of the lack of “Drama” associated with this bike. Best bike I’ve ever had, and so I’ll keep it for another 40,000kms at least. I did a review of mine when there weren’t any on the internet. There is value to your comments for all of us...current riders and perspective buyers. Thanks.
Shane
Useful and detailed review. Thanks a lot
Sold my 2014 this year with 150000KM. She was still running like new!
Congrats!
Congrats, my bike off 2011 and now 81000 km ...
Just curious, why sell it with that many miles? The memories have to be worth more than you got paid for it.
@@professorvoluck9311 I only have a small garage and no place to store it! If I had more room would have kept her!
awesome thanks🇮🇹
Never seen an oil leak on any Super Tenere, EVER!
The best
I agree that it is a heavy bike. I had a 2013 basic ST, then upgraded to an ES in 2015. Bought it used, it had 9,000 miles. I've had zero service issues (but for tires). I don't use a pressure washer! On the rear end, I've changed the rear end oil every 20,000 miles Ooops, I did think of one, I've replaced headlights on occasion. At least three in my 50,000 miles.
Forget washing....just ride...lol. ..thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching :)
Super tenere best motorcycle I ever owned
Same here!
@@Teneretraveler
Can't wait to get mine!👍👍
Very nice long term review! Thanks for sharing :) Your english is great too! 👌
Glad you liked it!
wonderful video ! thanks
Very good review. Thank you and well done.
Good review, thank you.
Great review, thank you for sharing !
good review, disappointing yamaha quality has dropped. I see that on mine, smaller tenere as well.
I'm curious what was causing the rear shaft seals to fail. I put 98,170km on my first '17 S10 with no shaft drive issues at all (wasn't a pavement queen). That bike was very sound. I did one valve check (in spec) and plug replacement and that was it. Original fork seals, battery, rear shock, rotors, brake fluid, clutch fluid and coolant. Build quality was excellent. That said my second '19 S10 had a bad ETCV from the factory and need a Throttle Body replacement, otherwise great.
I can only guess it was lot of highway/ high speed / hot temperature travels. Lets see how the new one will perform :)
@@Teneretraveler Actually I avoid highways if at all possible. Probably about 5% highway, 10-15% dirt/gravel. I live in New England and ride year round. I am still waiting to get my '19 back as the throttle body is on back order.
very nice and clear review. thanks
Hello, great review, can you tell me witch part exactly you change to fix your problem that you describe? Thank you
Thanks man! I've just bought one... 2017 and 15500 kmts..... Very usefull information !
Hi! Thanks a lot for this video! It was very useful to me taking in consideration the fact that I'm thinking at this motorcycle as my next bike. I hope you won't mind if I'm gonna ask you just one single question. If you were about to change your motorcycle tomorrow, would you trade it for a brand new 2021 Yamaha Tenere? Thanks a lot! Wish you only safe rides! You have a new follower btw -::))!
Excellent video, thank you. I love your bike!
Really enjoyed the vid - which country is best for the bike on dirt roads? Thanks Rod (Scotland).
I am recently lover of Turkyie and Georgia. Dry off-road. Heavy bike like ST goes well.
Thanks Piotr for this succinct review! (thumbs up)
Can you recommend tires for mainly road use (perhaps 80/20-ish?) that are quiet and have good grip?
I currently have Heidenau K60 Scout, front and rear; I believe the front tire is noisy at around 60 mph (~95 km/h).
Thanks!
Hard to advise. Riding long tours on Pirelli STR- already 3 sets used. And still happy
@@Teneretraveler Thanks! I will look more closely into this choice.
I’m running Metzeler Next on mine. Handles good , very quiet and good wear. I’m at 6000 miles and the rear seems to be about 1/2 worn. The front needs to be replaced soon.
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Thank you!