No, I still think the Leto one is the worst. TNBA, was at least somewhere in the ballpark with Joker, but Leto's was just... what the hell were they on. The faceless one was stupid too. Not gonna lie, the Death in the family story was cool, but that stupid decision they made was still a turn off for me.
My problem with the maximum edge-minimum thought Cut-Off Face Joker is that he'd die in like 2 seconds. He'd go blind, he'd get the worst infection ever, and he'd fucking die. It's one of those things that *obliterates* my suspension of disbelief. I know a lot of people criticize Two-Face for the same thing, and in some cases I agree, but rarely do the burns cut all the way to the facial muscles. That's just ridiculous.
@@Galvatronover what im saying is i dont get it, it shouldnt be a big thing like, for example i dont understand clayface's state idk what he is made of or how any bodily function works, but i can ignore that, so a dude with his face stapled on is child's play for my mind
At least Two-Face had some hospital treatment before being a supervillain, and in the 89 comic series, he's perpetually on antibiotics and painkillers.
I love snyder's more horror tske on thw character of the joke, and while it may seem like a trashed idea from the early 2000s, the new and just temporary change was somewhat jarring to me
If he was dead or something else and someone wicked like Professor pyg remove his face for reasons, him getting it back and doing the staples would make more sense then just having it be removed and be back on for no reason at all
I actually like The Batman cartoon Joker, especally the one with the purple jacket, the first is a bit meh, but I still liked his design. If I must be honest I really liked some of The Batman redesigns, but maybe because I grew up watching that show
6:55 the funny thing is that's not even true. He had *someone else* cut it off for him. Also the faceless look to me is epidemic of a lot of bad Joker stories, the writers urge to just let the Joker do unnecessarily stuff because he's crazy or because he wants to mess with Batman even if it harms his own plans.
I'm one of those who actually likes the 2004 "The Batman" Joker design, as odd as that may sound. I personally like that he's depicted as an acrobatic physical threat against Batman in addition to being a psychological one. And props to Kevin Michael Richardson for his voice work on him (👍). But again, this is just *me* talking.
I'll be honest, I never find the Batman New Animated series relooks for every character to be that cheap. In fact, I do like how simple they are and stylized too. As for the Joker new look from that cartoon...yeah, its not great. It expressive, but isn't exactly the Joker. Glad that Batman Beyond and JL cartoon later on fixed that design. Also, I'll be honest I think Joker being depicted as a gangster could work, IF IT NOT THE ACTUAL JOKER, but an imposter or someone who really, really, REALLY worship him. Similar to the Joker gang from Batman Beyond. I can accept a gangster Joker if it isn't the Joker himself, but just someone that dress up as him but with a few touches here and there, as a way to show....allegiance to him or something.
The New Batman Adventures Joker design looks fine but they should have give him color. In fact, Someone is reanimated Joker scene from TNBA to look better.
There's other ways to do it. I thought of a pretty creative way to do it. You'll see it on my channel soon. Trust me it's like no design you've seen before. As in the way he was used
And to add to that Joker was really pissed about his face being cut off as opposed to the comics where he wanted it to happen for some inexplicable reason
Actually the reason why they changed the design and animation in the TNBA was to match with the animation style of Superman TAS, which was also airing at the same time as this season
What's the thing you have against The Batman cartoon, Rogues?! The Joker there is pretty awesome! I do agree with you with the Injustice 2 and Suicide Squad versions. The reason why Joker cuts out his own face, according to the comic where that happens, is because he wanted to show Batman that even without "masks" he is still the same person, in a way to tell Batman that there is no reason to pretend to be another person while wearing a mask. In other words, The Joker tried to tell Batman to show his real face. Of course, he asked him to do it in his own twisted style that at the end made no sense. And I also agree with you with the New Batman Adventures design. What the ass? He is horrible there! Anyway. Thanks for the video Rogues.
When it comes to Matsuda's "The Batman" Joker look, I guess it depends on when you discovered it... I suppose that, had I stumbled upon him later in my life, I would have liked him way more than I did when it came out. I was a kid, Joker was my favorite Batman villain, and Batman was my favorite hero... We were all expecting great things from this new Batman cartoon that was coming out soon, I was pretty hyped... And the new Joker that we would have to live with for God knows how many years to come, looks like *this???* Why are his teeth looking like that? Why is he barefoot? Does he look like Sideshow Bob, or is that a jester's hat? Capeoira? I hate Eddie Gordo! It's a bit like the new Riddler; if he was in a movie or something, or a new cartoon I would likely embrace his new look, but back then we only had Batman:TAS, and the only live action Joker I knew about was Jack Nicholson, who was perfect in my eyes (Heath Ledger came close to replacing him in my eyes, but being number 2 is nothing to be ashamed of... and back then I hadn't watched the Cesar Romero one, I guess the old show wasn't super popular in France?). Nowadays we have a bunch of adaptations of these characters, so we are more forgiving when a creator gets... "creative". I still enjoyed "The Batman" a lot, and when people are talking about underrated Bat-movies, I always try to get someone to watch *The Batman vs Dracula* , which had a much more mature tone compared to the cartoon (think it was pg13 or something?) It's not on the level of Mask of the Phantasm, Under the Red Hood or Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker... ... but it's still worth watching for any fan of Batman.
Speaking of the Injustice 2 Joker. Like he looks like if Dante from Devil May Cry became the Joker. If they were going for an edgy look as the Joker. They could have given him an voice actor that fits design instead of Richard Espcar which fits an more comic/TAS esque Joker instead of that design.
The Batman desgin is weird in that at the same time on one hand it completely fails beacuse how drastically different he looks from the rest of Jokers, but on the other hand it looks great beacuse that version of Joker is just a very fun character and having him part ways with the traditional image just feels right.
If I remember correctly, the Joker cut his face off because he viewed it as his “Mask” and he tried to prove the point to Batman that without his face or “Mask” according to him, he’s still the Joker. The same way Batman is Batman without his mask. Still, I found it unnecessary and glad I’m not the only one who feels that way
On the contrary, Joker's joke was that the Batfamily's masks were not "skin-deep", that they could take them off whenever they wanted. ... ok, I'll reread my issues of "Death of the Family" (I hate the trade paperback of this one, they really messed with the Joker's dialogue to make it less "flitry/creepy" and I like the original dialogues better) because I need to reread Joker's explanation again, but it was something along those lines. Same reason he made them believe he had cut off all of their faces around the dinner table, with the cute "Two-Face cat" and all...
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm guessing the reason he had his face cut off is because he's insane and because of that it's not supposed to make sense that's the joke isn't that his whole thing doing things such as schemes that don't make sense to most people just to screw with them and commit to the punchline of the joke nothing matters, nothing makes sense, and nothing won't ever matter.
When did Injustice 2 come out? It seems they modeled him after the try hard Leto Joker. I liked the faceless Joker a lot, but it's ultimately stupid because they never gave a reason for why he did it. It seemed like a set up for a major plot that never ended up happening.
I actually like the black shark eyes of “The New Adventures” Joker. It gives him a cold soulless killer look. Other than that… ick! Thank goodness we got a WAY better design in “Batman Beyond”, “Justice League”, and “Static Shock”.
Honestly I thought that was cool. Made him look like he was always ready to pull of acrobatics on the fly. Like a mix of street performer and feral vibes
From the patient files of Dr. Simon Hurt, Director of Arkham Asylum. Patient: Alexis Kaye, aka "Punchline". Anti-Social. Psychotic. Obsessive. Manipulative. Unpredictable. Highly Intelligent and Resourceful. Addendum: Keep the patient isolated in the maximum security wing. Addendum 2: Keep the patient heavily monitored. Addendum 3: Keep the patient isolated away from the other patients as she tend to manipulate them. Addendum 4: Keep the patient away from any chemicals, including simple cleaning products. Addendum 5: Refrain from mentioning The Joker around the patient as it might lean to acts of violent. Addendum 6: Keep the patient heavily sedated as often as possible to prevent attacks on staffs and other patients Addendum 7: Keep the patient heavily medicated. Addendum 8: Keep a minimum of four (4) armed guards on the patients at ALL TIMES!
Yeah, he looks great there. Too bad about the Ayer cut, considered Joker confronts the squad in this attire at some point, with the grenade and all... One day maybe
I love The Batman's Joker. He looks like a genuine disfigured freak, matching his origins, but he isn't too ugly to look at. His hair looks like a jester cap, just like his cards, and both of his outfits go to fit his "I'm just insane, that's my whole personality, you're the crazy one for looking deeper into it" vibe. He felt like the origins of the Joker from way back in the day, reimagined as if he was invented in the modern era.
From the patient files of Dr. Simon Hurt, the new Director of Arkham Asylum. Patient: Hugo Strange. Delusional. Obsessive. Messiah complex. Highly intelligent and manipulative. Expert in psychology. Addendum: Keep the patient isolated in the maximum security wing (for Patient own safety). Addendum 2: Keep the patient isolated away from the other patients. Addendum 3: Patient is not responding to therapy. Addendum 4: Keep the patient heavily medicated. Addendum 5: Refrain from mentioning the former patient, Bruce Wayne around the patient.
TNBA is definitely unsettling, especially compared to the recolored version done by a RUclips channel, the Hamill Who Laughs. Both the original colors and the BB:RoTJ/Justice League colors work well compared to black eyes and no lips.
If I could interject, The Joker cutting off his face was to get at Batman. The Death of The Family storyline was meant to be a horror epic. And the idea of Joker cutting off his face was meant to taunt batman especially he knew his secret identity
In “Gotham” his face is cut off his corpse by a cult member who is then killed by the Joker (Jerome) after he fully comes back to life for cutting off his face and he staples it back on creating a grin like appearance.
Faceless Joker didn’t have a point, but at least we got some decent stories out of it. Leto Joker- nobody won, everyone lost. Theres almost no redeeming qualities to that look or the performance.
I have watched bad movies before - but the Jared Leto performance was one of the only times where I was actually embarrassed for the actor and physically cringed at the performance. Both visually and in terms of the script, it was a total misunderstanding of the character. Doesn't help that Leto was acting like a jackass on set, either. Sending people dead animals and shit like that.
I’m one of the few people that love the TNBA joker design. I think it makes him look like a demented cartoon character. Sure it’s different but I love the soulless eyes. It almost implies he’s more that human. I get why people don’t like it but for me it’s a matter of taste
The reason why Joker let his face being cut off is because he wanted to show that unlike the Batfamily he doesn't wear a mask. Beneath his evil smile is no hidden sad man. There is only more of an evil smile. The only one he sees as maskless too is Batman. He wanted to show him that Batman should see him as his family and not them. To me this is a very good design and it's the intention of the writers that that's the reason why he is faceless. You just have to pay good attantion to Jokers dialoges at the end.
My list would probably be 5. TNBA Joker 4. Injustice Joker 3. The Batman Joker (From the movie, not the show) 2. Faceless Joker 1. Suicide Squad Joker (What a surprise)
@@JanetStarChild Yeah, the fact someone can't shut up is a quality given the right circumstances. I am glad he has found a way to monetize his true call.
I love what they did with the Joker in the Batman Beyond movie and the Justice League cartoons, where they kept him sharp and streamlined, but not the bland travesy that was New Batman Adventures.
The 2004 Batman Joker has a cool design, but I see him more as a Joker henchman. I hate the Injustice II design. This Guy looks like he'd be asking to speak to the manager with that haircut. Jared Letos design sucks, but the black tailsuit from the helicopter scene was pretty cool. I also liked his haircut. Joker having no face was a cool, freaky design, which lends utself to a creepy as hell smile, but it needed better reasoning. I like how it was done in Gotham tho, it worked well with the facial structure of Cameron Monaghan. Also the sideshow statue with the faceless head seaport looked really damn good imo. I have mixed feelings on the TNBA design. It just needed some colors switched around. I do think that TNBA generally downgraded everyone's design, but Scarecrow was perfected. I like the Animaniac eyes tbh. My least favorite Joker design might actually be the Joaquin Phoenix design. It's a cool look, but just like the 2004 Batman show it doesn't look like Joker.
From the patient files of Dr. Simon Hurt, Director of Arkham Asylum. Patient: Alexander Wyvern, aka "The Bookworm". Narcissistic. Obsessive. Compulsive. Highly Intelligent and Resourceful. Addendum: Allow the patient access to the Asylum Library once a day. Addendum 2: Keep a minimum of one (1) guard on the patient. I based his name off of the Bookworm that appear in The Huntress series from late 1989 to early 1990, but still have/use the same gimmick as the I.N. Kingor version.
I thought that Joker explained to Batman in Death of the Family why he cut his face off. Wasn't it to prove that they are who they are at their core regardless of whatever face they choose to hide behind, or something? I'm not saying it's the best reason, but I do believe that is one. Either way, everything revealed from Endgame restored Joker anyway. Of coarse they can't help themselves with the side of the head shaved look. At least with Joker, it was symmetrical. More than we can say about Drowned Earth Aquaman. How is it that Kelly Sue DeConnick's run RESTORED his hair to more or less normal rather than going with that?
I want to say something about TNBA Joker. I HATE that design too, but my favorite Joker design is JL Joker, and I'm not sure we would have gotten that without the TNBA design.
While I strongly agree on stapled face Joker, I strongly disagree on TNBA Joker. In fact, I'd go as far as to say it's my favorite design for the character. I also think the Suicide Squad design was pretty solid at its core, it just needed less tattoos.
You know, the thing about the Joker removing his face would have been passable if in the end he had said something like "Honestly I did it to get attention. In these times of excess and speculation, you have to do whatever it takes to not be yesterday's news." As if it was all about the Joker trolling readers and the New52."
When you say "Gotham" you only mean the design Penguin has in the last episode of season 5, right? If you mean his regular design in the show, then Mr Rogues has already said lots of good stuff about it.
@@randallflagg3700 no I mainly mean how Penguin looks in the majority of the show, not saying I dislike it, on the contrary, but it seems like Rogues isn't a fan of skinny Penguin
the Jared Leto joker does not make much sense to me for one reason, this version of the joker had his skin bleached from the chemicals so i would assume that because his skin was damaged so badly from those chemicals that he would be unable to get tattoos.
Alrighty, so my top 5 least favorite Joker designs (that I know of) would probably have to be: 5.) "Young Justice" (S1) Joker 4.) "Harley Quinn" (animated series) Joker 3.) "Death of the Family" Joker 2.) "Batman: Unlimited" Joker 1.) "Batman: Ninja" Joker
I don't think I'd be able to come up with a top five, but off the top of my head, the worst Joker design I can think of was in one of the 'Lobo' miniseries. (I did a search looking for the artist's name, but I couldn't find it - suffice it to say, he was one of the more prominent Lobo artists; I think he was British, but that doesn't exactly narrow it down.) First off, the Joker himself had that very ugly, super-deformed look people sometimes give him - his hair looked more like a fright wig; his grin was ridiculously exaggerated, etc. - but that wasn't the worst. No, the worst was his CLOTHES. He wore his usual purple zoot suit, but with a bright green 'HAHAHA' pattern all over it in six-inch tall letters. It was ridiculously garish, and basically the sort of thing no one, not even a crazy person, would actually wear.
I found faceless joker kinda creepy and very scary...the only one on your list I disagree on but yeah , your on point with the others... love your videos!
I understand your disliking of these designs but I actually like the Batman design and the leatherface design as I like to call it. It's edgy but it grabbed my attention and disturbed me a little with how gross it looked. I respect anyone who hates these design since we all have our own personal opinions. Also when it comes to his motivation for doing this to himself my best guess is just that he woke up one day and decided to do it since most of the Joker's actions are pretty random and only make sense to himself.
I hated the new animated Joker design too, and I think they knocked it out of the park with the Return of the Joker movie, and carried into the JLU series, I mean now I think it's one of my favourite designs for the character. Hunched over, yet stylish. Dressed up, but the colours are just so wrong, just like his personality. I have since come to accept the design they did, as I have had many years to adjust to it, plus I actually enjoyed the style when playing the Batman: Vengence game on PS2.
Well I'm surprised I thought Leto would top every worst list. And no the cut off face dislike proves your good taste not lack of it. As to the grungy designs remember the Joker is the Clown Prince of Crime.
I hate the Jerry Robinson and bill finger design because he doesn't have his iconic chains, face scars,knives, guns, society backstory and tattoos. I'm joking but the only one who likes The Batman Joker. So much so that I'm making a movie about it. The Live by Night script. It's jester hair. Also I hate Joaquin Phoenix joker it's not the joke just a society cashgrab
O WOW !!! Nice to see you finally see you 😊 love all your videos...I was curious if you had a video up on the Batman movie... love hear your thoughts. Be well be safe 🙏
Very good top five, the Batman cartoon Joker is my most hated, the dreadlock hair and the bare feet is a terrible idea, Batman can just throw some bat-tacks on the ground and Joker is going to be in a lot of pain, put your shoes on.
I think you would be shocked to find that grimdark isn't bad just because YOU don't like it, and also that people are physically capable of disagreeing with you
I friggin' loved Joker's initial design from _The Batman._ It really works watching him spin around doing wildman Kung-Fu, crazy with manic might.
I agree (😊).
same
The hair is really weird.
No, I still think the Leto one is the worst. TNBA, was at least somewhere in the ballpark with Joker, but Leto's was just... what the hell were they on. The faceless one was stupid too. Not gonna lie, the Death in the family story was cool, but that stupid decision they made was still a turn off for me.
My problem with the maximum edge-minimum thought Cut-Off Face Joker is that he'd die in like 2 seconds. He'd go blind, he'd get the worst infection ever, and he'd fucking die. It's one of those things that *obliterates* my suspension of disbelief.
I know a lot of people criticize Two-Face for the same thing, and in some cases I agree, but rarely do the burns cut all the way to the facial muscles. That's just ridiculous.
you said it, it makes no sense just like two face having no eye lid
theres so many illogical things in batman i can't imagine being bothered by it
@@nameynamename3758 but that’s were suspension of believe kicks in however
There are things that can go beyond that
@@Galvatronover what im saying is i dont get it, it shouldnt be a big thing
like, for example i dont understand clayface's state idk what he is made of or how any bodily function works, but i can ignore that, so a dude with his face stapled on is child's play for my mind
Do u even biology bro?
At least Two-Face had some hospital treatment before being a supervillain, and in the 89 comic series, he's perpetually on antibiotics and painkillers.
While I agree that the Joker removing his face was completely unnecessary, “Death of the Family” is still one of my favorite Joker stories.
I disagree
I love snyder's more horror tske on thw character of the joke, and while it may seem like a trashed idea from the early 2000s, the new and just temporary change was somewhat jarring to me
If he was dead or something else and someone wicked like Professor pyg remove his face for reasons, him getting it back and doing the staples would make more sense then just having it be removed and be back on for no reason at all
@@sethstrattan7380 That's probably because his face was removed for shock value rather than story purposes.
I actually like The Batman cartoon Joker, especally the one with the purple jacket, the first is a bit meh, but I still liked his design. If I must be honest I really liked some of The Batman redesigns, but maybe because I grew up watching that show
6:55 the funny thing is that's not even true.
He had *someone else* cut it off for him.
Also the faceless look to me is epidemic of a lot of bad Joker stories, the writers urge to just let the Joker do unnecessarily stuff because he's crazy or because he wants to mess with Batman even if it harms his own plans.
I'm one of those who actually likes the 2004 "The Batman" Joker design, as odd as that may sound. I personally like that he's depicted as an acrobatic physical threat against Batman in addition to being a psychological one. And props to Kevin Michael Richardson for his voice work on him (👍). But again, this is just *me* talking.
Yeah this is one of the better creative designs for him, idk what this guy is on
@@TheIronSnowMan8D Now now, everybody is entitled to their own individual personal opinions, alright?
I'll be honest, I never find the Batman New Animated series relooks for every character to be that cheap. In fact, I do like how simple they are and stylized too.
As for the Joker new look from that cartoon...yeah, its not great. It expressive, but isn't exactly the Joker. Glad that Batman Beyond and JL cartoon later on fixed that design.
Also, I'll be honest I think Joker being depicted as a gangster could work, IF IT NOT THE ACTUAL JOKER, but an imposter or someone who really, really, REALLY worship him. Similar to the Joker gang from Batman Beyond. I can accept a gangster Joker if it isn't the Joker himself, but just someone that dress up as him but with a few touches here and there, as a way to show....allegiance to him or something.
The New Batman Adventures Joker design looks fine but they should have give him color. In fact, Someone is reanimated Joker scene from TNBA to look better.
I do like the way that Gotham did the no face joker, with someone else stealing his face when he seemingly died
There's other ways to do it. I thought of a pretty creative way to do it. You'll see it on my channel soon. Trust me it's like no design you've seen before. As in the way he was used
And to add to that Joker was really pissed about his face being cut off as opposed to the comics where he wanted it to happen for some inexplicable reason
Gotham was always taking ideas (for better and worse) from other Batman media. They somehow made the face thing more dumb.
That tattoo hot topic Joker design is the most atrocious thing I've ever seen.
I asked myself "Why the hell did the Joker cut his face off and then reattached back?" That's just stupid.
I never liked the scars look, the classic clown is the best look for the character imo
I never liked the classic clown look, the scarred look is the best for the character imo
Agreed, he's supposed to look like a clown afterall
Actually the reason why they changed the design and animation in the TNBA was to match with the animation style of Superman TAS, which was also airing at the same time as this season
I honestly love Joker's long sleeved dreadlock look from 2004's The Batman. It's not the traditional Joker I love, but I still like it.
Have you heard Nicholas Cage would like to play Egghead?
He would knock that role out of the park
What's the thing you have against The Batman cartoon, Rogues?! The Joker there is pretty awesome!
I do agree with you with the Injustice 2 and Suicide Squad versions.
The reason why Joker cuts out his own face, according to the comic where that happens, is because he wanted to show Batman that even without "masks" he is still the same person, in a way to tell Batman that there is no reason to pretend to be another person while wearing a mask. In other words, The Joker tried to tell Batman to show his real face. Of course, he asked him to do it in his own twisted style that at the end made no sense.
And I also agree with you with the New Batman Adventures design. What the ass? He is horrible there!
Anyway. Thanks for the video Rogues.
When it comes to Matsuda's "The Batman" Joker look, I guess it depends on when you discovered it...
I suppose that, had I stumbled upon him later in my life, I would have liked him way more than I did when it came out.
I was a kid, Joker was my favorite Batman villain, and Batman was my favorite hero...
We were all expecting great things from this new Batman cartoon that was coming out soon, I was pretty hyped...
And the new Joker that we would have to live with for God knows how many years to come, looks like *this???*
Why are his teeth looking like that?
Why is he barefoot?
Does he look like Sideshow Bob, or is that a jester's hat?
Capeoira? I hate Eddie Gordo!
It's a bit like the new Riddler; if he was in a movie or something, or a new cartoon I would likely embrace his new look, but back then we only had Batman:TAS, and the only live action Joker I knew about was Jack Nicholson, who was perfect in my eyes
(Heath Ledger came close to replacing him in my eyes, but being number 2 is nothing to be ashamed of... and back then I hadn't watched the Cesar Romero one, I guess the old show wasn't super popular in France?).
Nowadays we have a bunch of adaptations of these characters, so we are more forgiving when a creator gets... "creative".
I still enjoyed "The Batman" a lot, and when people are talking about underrated Bat-movies, I always try to get someone to watch *The Batman vs Dracula* , which had a much more mature tone compared to the cartoon (think it was pg13 or something?)
It's not on the level of Mask of the Phantasm, Under the Red Hood or Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker...
... but it's still worth watching for any fan of Batman.
Speaking of the Injustice 2 Joker. Like he looks like if Dante from Devil May Cry became the Joker. If they were going for an edgy look as the Joker. They could have given him an voice actor that fits design instead of Richard Espcar which fits an more comic/TAS esque Joker instead of that design.
The Batman desgin is weird in that at the same time on one hand it completely fails beacuse how drastically different he looks from the rest of Jokers, but on the other hand it looks great beacuse that version of Joker is just a very fun character and having him part ways with the traditional image just feels right.
I like the cut off face mask, i think it makes him seem even more like a slasher horror movie villian.
If I remember correctly, the Joker cut his face off because he viewed it as his “Mask” and he tried to prove the point to Batman that without his face or “Mask” according to him, he’s still the Joker. The same way Batman is Batman without his mask. Still, I found it unnecessary and glad I’m not the only one who feels that way
Yeah, that’s what I remember too.
On the contrary, Joker's joke was that the Batfamily's masks were not "skin-deep", that they could take them off whenever they wanted.
... ok, I'll reread my issues of "Death of the Family"
(I hate the trade paperback of this one, they really messed with the Joker's dialogue to make it less "flitry/creepy" and I like the original dialogues better)
because I need to reread Joker's explanation again, but it was something along those lines.
Same reason he made them believe he had cut off all of their faces around the dinner table, with the cute "Two-Face cat" and all...
@@randallflagg3700 yeah, I remember that too, I just didn’t know how to write it in a way that makes sense.
The changes to the BTAS designs wasn’t budgetary, it was meant to make it more similar to the Superman the animated series designs
I actually don't mind the Joker's design for the New Adventures.
I feel like the phrase, “The Joker cut off his own face for no reason” is the most Joker thing ever.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm guessing the reason he had his face cut off is because he's insane and because of that it's not supposed to make sense that's the joke isn't that his whole thing doing things such as schemes that don't make sense to most people just to screw with them and commit to the punchline of the joke nothing matters, nothing makes sense, and nothing won't ever matter.
Sounds like edgelord garbage
When did Injustice 2 come out? It seems they modeled him after the try hard Leto Joker.
I liked the faceless Joker a lot, but it's ultimately stupid because they never gave a reason for why he did it. It seemed like a set up for a major plot that never ended up happening.
I actually like the black shark eyes of “The New Adventures” Joker. It gives him a cold soulless killer look. Other than that… ick! Thank goodness we got a WAY better design in “Batman Beyond”, “Justice League”, and “Static Shock”.
Joker was barefoot in the batman. That always bothered me.
Honestly I thought that was cool. Made him look like he was always ready to pull of acrobatics on the fly. Like a mix of street performer and feral vibes
From the patient files of Dr. Simon Hurt, Director of Arkham Asylum.
Patient: Alexis Kaye, aka "Punchline".
Anti-Social. Psychotic. Obsessive. Manipulative. Unpredictable. Highly Intelligent and Resourceful.
Addendum: Keep the patient isolated in the maximum security wing.
Addendum 2: Keep the patient heavily monitored.
Addendum 3: Keep the patient isolated away from the other patients as she tend to manipulate them.
Addendum 4: Keep the patient away from any chemicals, including simple cleaning products.
Addendum 5: Refrain from mentioning The Joker around the patient as it might lean to acts of violent.
Addendum 6: Keep the patient heavily sedated as often as possible to prevent attacks on staffs and other patients
Addendum 7: Keep the patient heavily medicated.
Addendum 8: Keep a minimum of four (4) armed guards on the patients at ALL TIMES!
Maybe this is tied into your classy argument, but Leto works for me when he’s in the tuxedo near the end of the movie.
Yeah, he looks great there. Too bad about the Ayer cut, considered Joker confronts the squad in this attire at some point, with the grenade and all...
One day maybe
@@randallflagg3700 yea he looked better with the burned face. But that was all cut
I love The Batman's Joker. He looks like a genuine disfigured freak, matching his origins, but he isn't too ugly to look at. His hair looks like a jester cap, just like his cards, and both of his outfits go to fit his "I'm just insane, that's my whole personality, you're the crazy one for looking deeper into it" vibe. He felt like the origins of the Joker from way back in the day, reimagined as if he was invented in the modern era.
I'm still racking my brain trying to think of why they couldn't just invert the new Batman adventures Jokers eye color
From the patient files of Dr. Simon Hurt, the new Director of Arkham Asylum.
Patient: Hugo Strange.
Delusional. Obsessive. Messiah complex. Highly intelligent and manipulative. Expert in psychology.
Addendum: Keep the patient isolated in the maximum security wing (for Patient own safety).
Addendum 2: Keep the patient isolated away from the other patients.
Addendum 3: Patient is not responding to therapy.
Addendum 4: Keep the patient heavily medicated.
Addendum 5: Refrain from mentioning the former patient, Bruce Wayne around the patient.
Simon: Session 1. So, Dr. Strange, how the tables have turned.
TNBA is definitely unsettling, especially compared to the recolored version done by a RUclips channel, the Hamill Who Laughs. Both the original colors and the BB:RoTJ/Justice League colors work well compared to black eyes and no lips.
Mr. Rogues was The Joker all along
“Gangsta Joker shouldn’t be a thing.”
DaBaby made it work in his “Lonely” music video, so maybe the main problem is Jared Leto.
I like to call Jared Leto Joker as Takashi69 Joker
Would love to see your worst Two Face designs.
If I could interject, The Joker cutting off his face was to get at Batman. The Death of The Family storyline was meant to be a horror epic. And the idea of Joker cutting off his face was meant to taunt batman especially he knew his secret identity
In “Gotham” his face is cut off his corpse by a cult member who is then killed by the Joker (Jerome) after he fully comes back to life for cutting off his face and he staples it back on creating a grin like appearance.
I agree I hate the face-less joker design
Death of the family jokers design was great it actually made him terrifying and was a somewhat refreshing take considering he never did that prior.
I agree. The design for the joker of the Batman cartoon from the early 2000s looks more like a henchman than the clown prince of crime himself
I love the "I cut my own face off for the lolz" Joker, because it's so very 3edgy5me, which makes it super over the top that it's funny.
Man that suicide joker is easily the worst joker I've ever seen in my life. Like it's literally so bad it makes me physically sick to look at it
I like the black tuxedo design for suicide squad Joker
Faceless Joker didn’t have a point, but at least we got some decent stories out of it.
Leto Joker- nobody won, everyone lost. Theres almost no redeeming qualities to that look or the performance.
His appearance in the JL Snyder Cut was actually decent. But besides that he still sucks.
I have watched bad movies before - but the Jared Leto performance was one of the only times where I was actually embarrassed for the actor and physically cringed at the performance. Both visually and in terms of the script, it was a total misunderstanding of the character.
Doesn't help that Leto was acting like a jackass on set, either. Sending people dead animals and shit like that.
And trying to justify it as "getting into character."
I’m one of the few people that love the TNBA joker design. I think it makes him look like a demented cartoon character. Sure it’s different but I love the soulless eyes. It almost implies he’s more that human. I get why people don’t like it but for me it’s a matter of taste
The Jared Leto Joker is my absolute worst.
I didn't mind the faceless joker. I am one the team bring it to the movies 🙈
The reason why Joker let his face being cut off is because he wanted to show that unlike the Batfamily he doesn't wear a mask. Beneath his evil smile is no hidden sad man. There is only more of an evil smile. The only one he sees as maskless too is Batman. He wanted to show him that Batman should see him as his family and not them. To me this is a very good design and it's the intention of the writers that that's the reason why he is faceless. You just have to pay good attantion to Jokers dialoges at the end.
Worst Cranes pretty please.
The face torn off was so damn stupid
N&A Productions likes the Jared Lego Joker design. I used too as well, but then I lost my insanity.
You should fight your fans in Injustice 2 if they ever disagree with you
My list would probably be
5. TNBA Joker
4. Injustice Joker
3. The Batman Joker (From the movie, not the show)
2. Faceless Joker
1. Suicide Squad Joker (What a surprise)
Please Make a video on scarecrow
Imma do my picks:
5. The Batman Endgame design
4. Faceless Jonker
3. Injustice 2 Jonker
2. The Batman movie
1. Jared Leto
"Do you want to see me whining?"
That is what we subscribe to this channel for! lol
Agreed! I resonate passionately with Mr. Rogue's "whining" vitriol.
@@JanetStarChild Yeah, the fact someone can't shut up is a quality given the right circumstances. I am glad he has found a way to monetize his true call.
"I guess this is the guy who sold the meth to the other joker" I'm dead!🤣😭
I love what they did with the Joker in the Batman Beyond movie and the Justice League cartoons, where they kept him sharp and streamlined, but not the bland travesy that was New Batman Adventures.
2:57 It comes off as "How can we make a Joker more tryhard than Leto's? Instead of "ha" tattoos we'll have him cut the word into himself."
Faceless joker makes zero fucking sense but i loved how it looked aesthetically, i'm a big fan of that kind of grotesque shit
The 2004 Batman Joker has a cool design, but I see him more as a Joker henchman. I hate the Injustice II design. This Guy looks like he'd be asking to speak to the manager with that haircut. Jared Letos design sucks, but the black tailsuit from the helicopter scene was pretty cool. I also liked his haircut. Joker having no face was a cool, freaky design, which lends utself to a creepy as hell smile, but it needed better reasoning. I like how it was done in Gotham tho, it worked well with the facial structure of Cameron Monaghan. Also the sideshow statue with the faceless head seaport looked really damn good imo. I have mixed feelings on the TNBA design. It just needed some colors switched around. I do think that TNBA generally downgraded everyone's design, but Scarecrow was perfected. I like the Animaniac eyes tbh. My least favorite Joker design might actually be the Joaquin Phoenix design. It's a cool look, but just like the 2004 Batman show it doesn't look like Joker.
From the patient files of Dr. Simon Hurt, Director of Arkham Asylum.
Patient: Alexander Wyvern, aka "The Bookworm".
Narcissistic. Obsessive. Compulsive. Highly Intelligent and Resourceful.
Addendum: Allow the patient access to the Asylum Library once a day.
Addendum 2: Keep a minimum of one (1) guard on the patient.
I based his name off of the Bookworm that appear in The Huntress series from late 1989 to early 1990, but still have/use the same gimmick as the I.N. Kingor version.
Shame about Injustice 2's Joker, especially since I think they did quite well previously with the first Injustice's Joker.
Yeah. A lot of the designs for characters are weird in Injustice 2
I thought that Joker explained to Batman in Death of the Family why he cut his face off. Wasn't it to prove that they are who they are at their core regardless of whatever face they choose to hide behind, or something? I'm not saying it's the best reason, but I do believe that is one. Either way, everything revealed from Endgame restored Joker anyway. Of coarse they can't help themselves with the side of the head shaved look. At least with Joker, it was symmetrical. More than we can say about Drowned Earth Aquaman. How is it that Kelly Sue DeConnick's run RESTORED his hair to more or less normal rather than going with that?
I want to say something about TNBA Joker. I HATE that design too, but my favorite Joker design is JL Joker, and I'm not sure we would have gotten that without the TNBA design.
I hate every single one of the villain redesigns in The New Batman Adventures. They all looked so much better in the prior seasons.
Death of the Family design is pretty creepy, ngl.
While I strongly agree on stapled face Joker, I strongly disagree on TNBA Joker. In fact, I'd go as far as to say it's my favorite design for the character. I also think the Suicide Squad design was pretty solid at its core, it just needed less tattoos.
You know, the thing about the Joker removing his face would have been passable if in the end he had said something like "Honestly I did it to get attention. In these times of excess and speculation, you have to do whatever it takes to not be yesterday's news." As if it was all about the Joker trolling readers and the New52."
Coming from the future to add the Joker from "Suicide Squad Isekai" anime movie
That shit is horrendous...
I got to agree completely with this list of Jokers.
Looks like number 4 took inspiration from that riddler from war of jokes and riddles, with the carved question mark.
You should do 5 worst Penguin designs, I can imagine that Telltale and Gotham would be on it
When you say "Gotham" you only mean the design Penguin has in the last episode of season 5, right?
If you mean his regular design in the show, then Mr Rogues has already said lots of good stuff about it.
@@randallflagg3700 no I mainly mean how Penguin looks in the majority of the show, not saying I dislike it, on the contrary, but it seems like Rogues isn't a fan of skinny Penguin
1:38 I’m sorry I actually really love this design lmao always have even as a kid
the Jared Leto joker does not make much sense to me for one reason, this version of the joker had his skin bleached from the chemicals so i would assume that because his skin was damaged so badly from those chemicals that he would be unable to get tattoos.
4:50 - They even made it happen in Gotham. =/
and I hated it there too.
Alrighty, so my top 5 least favorite Joker designs (that I know of) would probably have to be:
5.) "Young Justice" (S1) Joker
4.) "Harley Quinn" (animated series) Joker
3.) "Death of the Family" Joker
2.) "Batman: Unlimited" Joker
1.) "Batman: Ninja" Joker
The Joker from All Star Batman and Robin was wretched.
I don't think I'd be able to come up with a top five, but off the top of my head, the worst Joker design I can think of was in one of the 'Lobo' miniseries. (I did a search looking for the artist's name, but I couldn't find it - suffice it to say, he was one of the more prominent Lobo artists; I think he was British, but that doesn't exactly narrow it down.) First off, the Joker himself had that very ugly, super-deformed look people sometimes give him - his hair looked more like a fright wig; his grin was ridiculously exaggerated, etc. - but that wasn't the worst. No, the worst was his CLOTHES. He wore his usual purple zoot suit, but with a bright green 'HAHAHA' pattern all over it in six-inch tall letters. It was ridiculously garish, and basically the sort of thing no one, not even a crazy person, would actually wear.
They definitely did the faceless joker in gotham the best, while it didn't need to really happen, they definitely handled it the best
I found faceless joker kinda creepy and very scary...the only one on your list I disagree on but yeah , your on point with the others... love your videos!
I honestly really like Injustice 2's Joker. But I understand why you don't like it, the hair, his chest being shown, etc probably
But what are your thoughts on the riddler's design from The Batman (2004)
He stated before in his video for ranking the Riddler that he wasn't a fan of it. He loved the character, just not the style.
5 and 3 are good like a different interpretarion
5:10 He probably heard a Texas Chainsaw Massacre film was being made in Gotham and went to the extreme to audition for Leatherface.
I understand your disliking of these designs but I actually like the Batman design and the leatherface design as I like to call it. It's edgy but it grabbed my attention and disturbed me a little with how gross it looked. I respect anyone who hates these design since we all have our own personal opinions. Also when it comes to his motivation for doing this to himself my best guess is just that he woke up one day and decided to do it since most of the Joker's actions are pretty random and only make sense to himself.
I dislike the “Return of the Joker” design more. I find Joker’s full body suit boring compared to his old suit.
The reason why joker cut his face out was because he's da joka baby!
Where are the new vids?
I hated the new animated Joker design too, and I think they knocked it out of the park with the Return of the Joker movie, and carried into the JLU series, I mean now I think it's one of my favourite designs for the character. Hunched over, yet stylish. Dressed up, but the colours are just so wrong, just like his personality. I have since come to accept the design they did, as I have had many years to adjust to it, plus I actually enjoyed the style when playing the Batman: Vengence game on PS2.
Injustice 2 Joker looks like Jared Leto’s Joker.
Swedish Empire revival conspiracy live footage (in center, Swedish Ministry of Defense)
Well I'm surprised I thought Leto would top every worst list. And no the cut off face dislike proves your good taste not lack of it. As to the grungy designs remember the Joker is the Clown Prince of Crime.
I hate the Jerry Robinson and bill finger design because he doesn't have his iconic chains, face scars,knives, guns, society backstory and tattoos. I'm joking but the only one who likes The Batman Joker. So much so that I'm making a movie about it. The Live by Night script. It's jester hair. Also I hate Joaquin Phoenix joker it's not the joke just a society cashgrab
can I make a reaction video to this
Mortal Kombat 11 Joker blows Injustice 2 Joker out of the park.
O WOW !!! Nice to see you finally see you 😊 love all your videos...I was curious if you had a video up on the Batman movie... love hear your thoughts. Be well be safe 🙏
Oh nevermind. I saw the video lol.
I like the design from The Batman 2004. It was fresh, new and different.
Jared leto's joker has the metal teeth because batman broke his teeth when he and harley killed robin
Very good top five, the Batman cartoon Joker is my most hated, the dreadlock hair and the bare feet is a terrible idea, Batman can just throw some bat-tacks on the ground and Joker is going to be in a lot of pain, put your shoes on.
I hate the faceless Joker design, it's just another symptom of DC'S obsession with grimdark.
I'm shocked people even _like_ this look!
I think you would be shocked to find that grimdark isn't bad just because YOU don't like it, and also that people are physically capable of disagreeing with you
@@elfascisto6549 To each their own. I apologize if I came off as rude .
I kinda like the 2004 look.