Here you go again-your team Sergeant is your only supervisor-all the officers do is fight to get the best missions and then sign papers,right?You said it yourself-you never had a good team leader.Maybe this is why you don’t like officers and why you left.If you were on my team,you would have a totally different mindset,because I would have your back everyday,and be your biggest supporter.Being a good officer is not about being the boss-it’s about being a brother who also leads.
After years in and around the Army I’ve seen Chiefs tell very senior officers to F off. Especially a senior CW4 or 5, there’s a reason why people often call a CW5 Chief God.
Me too, I nearly fell out of my seat laughing at that one. I think those Afghanis took creative license with "Reconnaissance by Fire' and went Full-Send with it in CQB
I really wished they'd done a Band of Brothers styled mini series. There was SO MUCH they left out for sake of a fun movie in the required screen time. Like the Combat Controller, the other ODA, the haze that kept the 160th grounded until the weather guy (SOWT?) printed the weather map and figured out that the haze was sand and snow. Little things like that would have made the movie awesome!
The movie really under-serves the sheer odds that the ODA's faced entering Afghanistan, or the multi-faceted objectives that they had to achieve while also conducting their operations against the Taliban and Al Qaeda's supporting regiments. The book goes to so much depth on the tactical and strategic side that the movie really fails to embellish (which, its not their fault... the producers should've went with a tv series as you stated). And just how CRUCIAL the ODA's were in the opening stages of the War in Afghanistan. Had they failed to achieve their objectives, or make significant headway with the locals, the US would not have continued further operations, and withdrawn any kind of support there might have been for the NA. Alongside leaving those ODA's behind for the sake of "plausible deniability".
Absolutely. And they (Hollywood) are making "series" content out of anything and everything, a varietal explosion of content. One might wish for them to do 12 Strong a little more.....properly/accurately with a series format. In fact, they could still do it. After all, they did Band of Brothers from WW2, 12 Strong is more recent than that. I would also mention that movies that feature various SF aspects such as the Army Rangers in Blackhawk Down are entertaining and informative to those of us civilians who are curious. In other words, I believe that a series about 12 Strong would be positively received if it was done as well as that movie. Reiterating Danielniffenegger7698, "Little things like that would have made the movie awesome!"
Captains are just Lieutenants that survived. And just as you start figuring things out, they yank you for some super cool career move position. But they don't tell you when they recruit you!
We have a BC all up in our AO, and our Captain was trying to respond to a barrage of questions. BC stopped him cold, pointed at his rank, and said "that's why you're only a Captain and I'm the Colonel, your rank is a nothing but a PAUSE button."
@@FNGACADEMY I’m not an expert but I have this feeling that some hardcore taliban wouldn’t have a problem with bringing their kids to a firefight. Probably give them rifles so they get them started young. So like… yeah I guess that pilot totally fucked a legit Jav shot.
I was a support mos and was at swc and I know it’s different than being at group but the best part about being there was being able to see them 18s do their thing. Y’all are truly cut from a different cloth. Cheers!
ODA-555 (Triple Nickel) was the other team in county, that linked up with the other [rival] tribes of the northern alliance (that they meet up for the final push into Mazar I Sharif at the end of the movie). ODA-555 had a AF CCT and reports are that the air strikes called in by the CCT were so much more precise than ODA-595 without one, solidifying early on in the war on terror, the need for CCTs and TAC-Ps.
Fun Fact: "allegedly (according to an interview from him)" Rob Riggle was actually there when this happened (not on the team, but in Afghanistan) and the guy he portrayed in the movie was his boss at the time. so he was playing his boss for the movie.
@@berniegores2083 Yes, a Marine attached to a joint operations task force, as Civil Affairs. As a Marine, I was attached to an Army unit (2nd Brigade MiTTs, in Iraq ‘05-‘06). It happens all the time, across the services.
ODA 595 consisted of a captain, a warrant officer, and an operations NCO, two medical NCOs, two weapons NCOs, two engineers and two communications sergeants, prior to the last battle before Mazar-i-Sharif the team was split in 4x3-man teams this included the Operation NCO (Paul), Capt. Nelson (Nutsch) did use the radio and called in air support including danger-close. Retired Major Mark Nutsch (real name) ;)
Hey Buck, Do you know of Jason Everman? The guy played guitar with Nirvana, bass in Soundgarden, and later served tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan as an Army Ranger and Green Beret. I believe he was part of the group of guys represented in this movie. You should have him on your show.
"The Bush? Or the 150 fighters down in the bottom of the Valley?" I thought I was too tired to laugh...I wasn't. I laughed my ass off! Thanks for the hilarious content guys!
I love this breakdown, it's hilarious. The book Alone at Dawn has a section in it that talks about this mission and some other early missions in Afghanistan after 9/11. It's a great book, I can't recommend it enough. The 24th Special Tactics Squadron is no joke.
Just somehow found this channel recommended and I have to say, as someone with no official combat experience but a basic understanding of tactics and engagement I always question these parts of movies and your commentary is very informative and educational as well as entertaining and at times hilarious. SUBSCRIBED @FNG ACADEMY
I was so pumped about this movie when it came out, but was sorely disappointed… “The book was better” definitely carries weight here. Doug Stanton’s ‘Horse Soldiers’ was an inspiring book that led me to earning my GB. it sucks that this movie was so slapped together. I suppose ‘Rambo: First Blood’ is still the greatest GB movie to date!
My son was with an A Team in the 7th Gp. He said the same thing you two said. He is now a CW2 fixed wing pilot flying for the army and flew his old ODA team around a couple of times. Small world.
Yea, the United States has been at some kind of war in various countries in the middle east for the last 20 years tho. idk of the last conflict Germany was involved in after WWII, or if they’re involved in something currently. Excuse my ignorance if im missing something big here, but that may have something to do with it.
I joined the army (US) in March of 2000 and spent a little over 10 yrs in total. I ended up doing 3 combat tours (2003 Afghanistan, 2005 Iraq and 2008-09 Iraq. I knew guys that had done at least 4 tours. Those first 10 yrs after 9/11 were VERY busy if you were in the US army lol. All you did was train and prep for your next deployment.
NATO combined losses in Afghanistan were 3k of which 2.4k were American losses, and around 1.2k were the rest of NATO. to say NATO forces are experienced is an overstatement.
Loved the tip to Cleared Hot. By the way, that must’ve been a terrifying realization that if that pilot was off the other direction we wouldn’t have Wine and Rations
I was on a PSYOP team in Iraq in 2007 and we had danger close ordinace dropped. The building across the street exploded. So either the pilot was off target by about 300m or we weren't where we thought we were. Considering the blue force trackers we were using, it really could have been either.
RE: The Green Berets calling in rounds - if you read “alone it dawn“ it goes into the fact that ODA 595 actually refused CCT support for task force dagger. Obviously it probably wasn’t the 18 alpha, but at least at that stage in the mission they were calling in the bombs themselves. It was really cool! One of my favorite movies about one of my favorite subjects reviewed by one of my favorite people.
AF Here: The new LT in my squadron is becoming head of OPs and with me and some buddies returning from deployment he pushed really hard for us to get RNR that our squadron wasnt going to give us and he got it. He is really proving to us that he is supporting us as #1 to him, instead of his career.
If you read 'alone at dawn' by Dan Schilling he goes into detail about CCT first be implemented with these TAC teams that first entered Afghanistan like in 12 strong, there were 2 TAC teams, one has a CCT and one didn't, the one in the movie actually didn't and struggled by almost killing allies with close air support
I remember joining up and still having the full-auto M-16's with a super nail. Steel sites some with 203's. We switched in the mid-'80s to the M16a1 and still had full auto. We went through some barrels in the beginning. Then we switch to the M-16a2 which had a safe, semi, burst. The burst took some time getting used to but it ended being a good nonauto 3 round burst. We had so many guys that would spray and pray. We had some night vision goggles that George Washington had. They worked ok for what we were using them for. We also were still using jungle boots and the Vietnam OD green fatigues. It took a year until we received our tactical printed uniforms. They were so light compared to the old ones. We still didn't have the velcro uniforms yet. I was in the Artillery and whenever we would put up camo nets on our 30-day deployment we usually came home without buttons. They would get stuck on the camo net. We got so pissed we just yanked them from the net and listened to the button fly. I really appreciate you guys telling us stories about what it was like being badasses and having the best missions. You guys have my utmost respect and when I see stories about what you guys have accomplished it brings tears into my eyes knowing that I couldn't help more. I was stationed in Baumholder Germany and when Desert Shield came around we were deployed to the Kuwaiti area with our 155MM Self Propelled Guns. I was an FDC guy so we had it easier than most. To us Desert Storm was an extended training OP. It was over so fast. That's one thing that haunts me always. Not getting back to help my friends and my section. For a while, I really felt useless in life because of that. Sorry, this was so long and probably a real bore for some of you guys. Really enjoy watching you guys. Stay safe and healthy. BATTLE READY and "Fidelis et Verus" (Faithful and True).
too funny " clear by fire!" but sooo true, of the ANA/Taliban. The newbie taliban fighters would go black on ammo within the first minute of a fight. there were a few times the fast movers or bombers dropped ordinance from altitude and we never saw where it landed. Flew Apaches in 2006 (in A-Land), was doing over watch on an area of compounds that ODA and ANA spec ops guys were going house to house. We (one other apache and I) could not get solid comms from the ODA on the ground (due to wrong antenna on his radio) his 1sgt was wounded and pinned down on the opposite side of the alley from his team mates. I was going to put one rocket in a known orchard and hopefully get an adjust fire from the SF guys. My aircraft was having problems with a flight control surface; either way I made sure I was above our guys when I squeezed the trigger... stabilator malfunctioned at that moment while 5 HE rockets fired (instead of one) I thought I had hit our guys as there was no comms from the ground for a few seconds (felt like minutes) then finally heard a "GOOD SHOT!" call. Great comments guys, Cheers. btw I filmed that battle and it would have made it into my movie but we were under time constraints.
As a former JTAC, danger close for CAS is 500m. The JTAC/CCT will send "danger close" in the 9-line AND the commander's initials (which the JTAC should already know), there's no reason that he wouldn't drop. The ONLY reason that I can think of that he (the pilot) "questioned" you and that was hesitant. It may have been a new pilot and he knew that his ass would be grass if anything happened to you guys. Depending on the a/c and the branch (F-15 vs A-10 and AF vs USMC) the crews are more/less trained at danger close missions. If the pilot is confident (WITH combat experience) he'll put those rounds/bombs where ever you tell him to. It's YOUR (our) ass on the line. The crew will do what ever it takes and (depending on their "play time") spend as much time as they need to help out the guys on the ground...
This was damn well made a film for sure and very well acted. Aside from *Chris "Thor" Hemsworth* we also had *Michael Shannon* who was General Zod in Man Of Steel (2013). Plus, *Navid Negahban* as General A. R. Dostum who was Amahl Farouk the Shadow King in FX's Legion (2017-2019) to round off comic references, and he was Abu Nazir in Homeland, Ali the sadistic husband in The Stoning Of Sorya M. (2008), & Dr. Challus Mercer in the 2008 video game Dead Space, to name a few. So this had a hell of a cast.
I've never been in the military but it seems crazy to me that to be an officer you have to have a bachelor's degree. It seems the experience in service would be more valuable in a lieutenant than college
Historically, the officers were just the noblemen. Army was classist and noblemen couldn't be hanging around common men. As time went by and nobility disappeared, classism remained but it had to rely on something new. So they decided to base it on university degree because the rich could easily afford to get a degree and common people were too busy surviving to study
There are 2 ways to get commissioned without a college degree, but they're extremely rare. 1 is through direct commission (where some requirements such as college degree can be waived), 2 is battlefield commission (often only happens in wartime, but it's also rare). But overall, yes I'd prefer officers get to become officers bcoz of experience/capability/knowledge rather than a degree.
Also, when you throw out acronyms, remember that civilians don't know, break it down for the average joe, you guys are great. I remember on one of my first missions in theater, working with the green berets, the 06, soon to be a one star, said to me, what's your first name, mine is so and so. I knew this guy wasn't big FUCKING Army, he was a leader. We were the QRF for you guys, launched our airplanes within 30 minutes to support you guys. 2 dedicated airframes at all times to the Spec OPS guys. One time our crew was being launched and jumped in the Gator to go to the airplane. SGM (Sergeant Major) tried to stop them because they had to cross the hardball, Gators weren't authorized to drive on the hardball, he touched my CW3, the most mild mannered most professional aviator I ever knew, and he decked the SGM to get to the bird to launch. I was so proud of him, of course later we had to tap dance but he was right, mission first!
I think it was implied that Michael Pena's character was maybe the team sergeant. He speaks direct with the captain without regard and was given charge of C cell.
I got to fire off not 1 but 3 javelin round in Iraq(03). I've yet to meet anyone else other than the other cube in my squad that got to fire off 1. I hear stuff like this and gives me a little smile that I actually got to do it.
This is the content I love to see from you, Sean. I just wish these videos were longer and more detailed, I know you cut a lot of the content. Make it an hour long, even longer if you wanted to. Look closely at the gunfights and give criticism on the tactics and realism. I’d love to see the uncut version where you watched the whole movie with Kurt. Do Blackhawk Down, any of the Jason Bourne movies, Zero Dark Thirty, The Hurt Locker, and Sicario!
The problem is intellectual property: he’s only allowed to show so much before that’s considered “copyright violation” and he’s hit with some pretty nasty fees and/or jail time.
Love the vids! Would like you guys to explain the different rolls between Captain, Warrant Officer, and Team Sergeant in more detail for us non-military guys. Thanks gents!
I was taught when I first got into 160th to keep an eye on you guys because you guys always took a souvenir off the Chinooks when yall left and everytime I watched you guys always got something lol I could never catch you.
A few years ago I drove nearby ground zero in Manhattan. There was that statue of a solider on a horse. At that time, I didn't know who that was. Plus I only saw it from a car window. Then my mom took me to this movie in 2019.
In this movie Michael Pena's character Diller is credited as ODA 595 intelligence sergeant fist class I think he is the closest character to the team sergeant
Just found out about this channel and think its dope! As a current 5th Group GB, I am so happy y'all called out the head shed dynamic here and how unrealistic it is lol. Anyone who asks me about this movie that's the first thing I address. TM SGT runs the show, nobody listens to the CPT he doesn't give orders and you will NEVER see this on an ODA.
Saw some confusion in the comments - ODA - operational detachment alpha. Are a team of Green berets . Very Different jobs but similar in names to 1st SFOD-alpha who are CAG./The Unit/ Delta whatever their calling themselves now
It's been a little when since I've watched this movie, but I'm fairly confident one of my criticisms when I first saw it was on the Technical Advisor and the utter lack of reloads throughout the entire film
So basically, the Captain gets the mission for his ODA, then the TS directs the ODA during the mission, except in this movie, the captain is the one directing the mission and getting into firefights, they had to make Chris Hempsworth the guy to win the mission AND direct the mission, they should've just had him as the TS
In 2011/2012 some of my charter high school mates and I trained some SF guys how to ride horses because we had an alumni that held a high rank in in the SF community that suggested using his old stomping grounds to train a detachment on the 300 sum odd acres we called home. Was a pretty surreal experience at the time, and they taught us about some of their weapons and equipment (probably nothing secret). Can’t disclose too much about it because we were asked to keep specifics to ourselves, but it was an honor to teach warriors of such high caliber, and the inspired me to go on and do some cowboy shit of my own, though I went a through a different pipeline than joining the military.
One thing that almost took me out of this movie, I noticed no one reloads their weapons...ever (with the exception of the Tali rocket launching truck). It's like their guns had infinite ammo. Reloads add more realism to gun fights imo.
Former military personnel don't understand that it's actually a good thing that this movie's don't get it right. . If they get it right it's free intel for the enemy, sure they don't have the same level of tactical training but there might come a day that you face force's with similar tactical training and they know more about your troops than you know about theirs due to "accurate movies"...
No. With the advent of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) very few things are off limits. The Army has made several educational films and documentaries about our special operations community that is readily available. What happened late 2001 is no secret and not hard to find, Hell they wrote a book about this that is supposed to be more accurate.
What is your opinion about “The Green Berets”, with John Wayne? I know it’s old. Aldo Rey, the Sgt, was a Navy UDT. My Son, who has a College degree, decided to go enlisted, SF, because he believes that the best officers come up through the ranks.
Funny and a little sad to hear your officers climbed the ladder through deployments too. We had so many CMSgts (E9s) running around that they had to make up jobs for them, including being in the chow hall to enforce clothing regulations. We had a plethora of officers just being in camp giving themselves bronze stars. Usually they were just a pain and completely unnecessary to those of us actually flying the missions.
No jtac, captain does everything, no team SGT, it’s how you know it’s a movie. Was good to pander to an audience though and still told a good story of actual events.
Dude, they made a new rank, MasterCaptainSergeant Nelson and he rocked that shit. But for real, ODA 595 had an unrealistic task, but somehow came through. I had a 3rd Group SGM equate this mission with the Lewis & Clark Expedition in that no one really knew what they were getting themselves into, but still jumped right in and got the job done. I just hate how Hollywood has to add entertainment and remove vital details when making a film. I guess former SOF guys aren’t their target audience, and this is why my wife hates watching military movies with me.
As near as I could tell when I watched this movie, the tank was either abandoned and left over from the Soviet invasion, or it was meant to be non operational if the Taliban operating it.
My dad is a career cop (a real deal cop), the writing issues of leader ship (many role wrapped into one because, the writers) is a issue I have with a lot of cop shows. Law and order is the best cop show (written cop) ever because, the writing shows how different people have different roles. Not a super cop or in your example the super solider.
I’m curious if you two can do a breakdown of the documentary horse soldiers? It appeared on Hulu if I remember and it had first hand accounts of the mission from the green berets on the ground.
The team that they made the movie about made a whiskey bourbon called Horse Soldier. They even got some steel from ground zero to cast the bottles. Should check it out!!
Personally from serving in group a as Warrant myself - they really should have made Hollingsworth the team sergeant or even the Warrant Officer - No Captain ever gets to run the team like that
Entry by fire is a legit tactic in urban combat against enemies that like to blow themselves up. It’s just testing the environment inside that room, see what transpires after firing the rounds.
They probably wanted to combine characters. For example, every book I've read about the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq always mention the combat controller. However, the only movie I've seen that includes one is Transformers.
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Here you go again-your team Sergeant is your only supervisor-all the officers do is fight to get the best missions and then sign papers,right?You said it yourself-you never had a good team leader.Maybe this is why you don’t like officers and why you left.If you were on my team,you would have a totally different mindset,because I would have your back everyday,and be your biggest supporter.Being a good officer is not about being the boss-it’s about being a brother who also leads.
After years in and around the Army I’ve seen Chiefs tell very senior officers to F off. Especially a senior CW4 or 5, there’s a reason why people often call a CW5 Chief God.
Michael Pena was the team sergeant, well at least listed on the movie wiki page
"Cleared by fire" had me dying! 😂 Keep these coming Boyz! 🇺🇲
thanks Jay!
Me too, I nearly fell out of my seat laughing at that one. I think those Afghanis took creative license with "Reconnaissance by Fire' and went Full-Send with it in CQB
I am currently laughing my ass off to that one.
The best solution ever made! Lol!
The idea of “Cleared by fire” blows my mind. holy moly!
I really wished they'd done a Band of Brothers styled mini series. There was SO MUCH they left out for sake of a fun movie in the required screen time. Like the Combat Controller, the other ODA, the haze that kept the 160th grounded until the weather guy (SOWT?) printed the weather map and figured out that the haze was sand and snow. Little things like that would have made the movie awesome!
The movie really under-serves the sheer odds that the ODA's faced entering Afghanistan, or the multi-faceted objectives that they had to achieve while also conducting their operations against the Taliban and Al Qaeda's supporting regiments.
The book goes to so much depth on the tactical and strategic side that the movie really fails to embellish (which, its not their fault... the producers should've went with a tv series as you stated). And just how CRUCIAL the ODA's were in the opening stages of the War in Afghanistan. Had they failed to achieve their objectives, or make significant headway with the locals, the US would not have continued further operations, and withdrawn any kind of support there might have been for the NA. Alongside leaving those ODA's behind for the sake of "plausible deniability".
Read "First In" by Gary schroen(sp?).
Absolutely. And they (Hollywood) are making "series" content out of anything and everything, a varietal explosion of content. One might wish for them to do 12 Strong a little more.....properly/accurately with a series format. In fact, they could still do it. After all, they did Band of Brothers from WW2, 12 Strong is more recent than that. I would also mention that movies that feature various SF aspects such as the Army Rangers in Blackhawk Down are entertaining and informative to those of us civilians who are curious. In other words, I believe that a series about 12 Strong would be positively received if it was done as well as that movie. Reiterating Danielniffenegger7698, "Little things like that would have made the movie awesome!"
I’m not SF but how you made fun of the Captain is exactly how we talk about our Lieutenants 😂 More of this please
you bet!
@@chuckyxii10 God I wish that surprised me lmao
Captains are just Lieutenants that survived. And just as you start figuring things out, they yank you for some super cool career move position. But they don't tell you when they recruit you!
We have a BC all up in our AO, and our Captain was trying to respond to a barrage of questions. BC stopped him cold, pointed at his rank, and said "that's why you're only a Captain and I'm the Colonel, your rank is a nothing but a PAUSE button."
@@chrisgraham9110 RIP lmao
That Javelin story... I've never heard such a heartbreaking story in my life.
so close, javelin blocked by a pilot... people look smaller from the higher up you go lol
Sounds like you were trying to live vicariously through andy stumpf. 😂😂😂
@@FNGACADEMY at least you didn’t blow up any kids with it…
@@beltempest4448 there were no kids, it was a confirmed fighting position
@@FNGACADEMY I’m not an expert but I have this feeling that some hardcore taliban wouldn’t have a problem with bringing their kids to a firefight. Probably give them rifles so they get them started young. So like… yeah I guess that pilot totally fucked a legit Jav shot.
My dad was one of the original Special Forces. I salute you guys for being one of America's best
So was my dad....
He was SF during the Civil War and deploy in Afghanistan..
I was a support mos and was at swc and I know it’s different than being at group but the best part about being there was being able to see them 18s do their thing. Y’all are truly cut from a different cloth. Cheers!
thanks brother! we appreciate the admiration! not sure it is always deserved but well appreciated!
@@FNGACADEMY It is definitely deserved, take the compliment please... LTC (R) AV I know I know Not only am I an RLO but an aviator to boot.
ODA-555 (Triple Nickel) was the other team in county, that linked up with the other [rival] tribes of the northern alliance (that they meet up for the final push into Mazar I Sharif at the end of the movie). ODA-555 had a AF CCT and reports are that the air strikes called in by the CCT were so much more precise than ODA-595 without one, solidifying early on in the war on terror, the need for CCTs and TAC-Ps.
Brad talk about that incident that happened to 574
What the fuck is a “TAC-P” that’s not how you abbreviate that.
@@declass9481 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@declass9481 “Tactical Air Control Party”
@@illwill2001 right “TACP” not “TAC-P”
Fun Fact: "allegedly (according to an interview from him)" Rob Riggle was actually there when this happened (not on the team, but in Afghanistan) and the guy he portrayed in the movie was his boss at the time. so he was playing his boss for the movie.
Rob was a marine
@@berniegores2083 it that a question
@@berniegores2083 Yes, a Marine attached to a joint operations task force, as Civil Affairs. As a Marine, I was attached to an Army unit (2nd Brigade MiTTs, in Iraq ‘05-‘06). It happens all the time, across the services.
@@berniegores2083 yes he was he also served in Bosnia
Hopefully his boss did see him
ODA 595 consisted of a captain, a warrant officer, and an operations NCO, two medical NCOs, two weapons NCOs, two engineers and two communications sergeants, prior to the last battle before Mazar-i-Sharif the team was split in 4x3-man teams this included the Operation NCO (Paul), Capt. Nelson (Nutsch) did use the radio and called in air support including danger-close. Retired Major Mark Nutsch (real name) ;)
Spent some time there and into Kunduz for one of my tours. By 2012 the quiet of previous years turned and It got busy back up north
Hey Buck,
Do you know of Jason Everman? The guy played guitar with Nirvana, bass in Soundgarden, and later served tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan as an Army Ranger and Green Beret. I believe he was part of the group of guys represented in this movie. You should have him on your show.
This series has the best combination - it’s interesting, educational and hilarious. Keep it going gents!
Thanks! Will do!
"The Bush? Or the 150 fighters down in the bottom of the Valley?"
I thought I was too tired to laugh...I wasn't. I laughed my ass off! Thanks for the hilarious content guys!
This is my favorite part! Hahahahaha I’m a few minutes past that but STILL laughing about it lol
I love this breakdown, it's hilarious. The book Alone at Dawn has a section in it that talks about this mission and some other early missions in Afghanistan after 9/11. It's a great book, I can't recommend it enough. The 24th Special Tactics Squadron is no joke.
Why don’t you recommend it?
@@blayzeespinoza2467 please reread what I wrote above.
They're supposed to be making a movie about him with Jake Gyllenhaal.
This is a supremely underrated video 🤣
Thank you gents for your service, we love tf out of you guys 🇺🇲
Much appreciated!
Just somehow found this channel recommended and I have to say, as someone with no official combat experience but a basic understanding of tactics and engagement I always question these parts of movies and your commentary is very informative and educational as well as entertaining and at times hilarious. SUBSCRIBED @FNG ACADEMY
I was so pumped about this movie when it came out, but was sorely disappointed… “The book was better” definitely carries weight here. Doug Stanton’s ‘Horse Soldiers’ was an inspiring book that led me to earning my GB. it sucks that this movie was so slapped together. I suppose ‘Rambo: First Blood’ is still the greatest GB movie to date!
DOL brother!
What about John Wayne's "Green Berets"?
@@danielniffenegger7698 Touché!
My son was with an A Team in the 7th Gp. He said the same thing you two said. He is now a CW2 fixed wing pilot flying for the army and flew his old ODA team around a couple of times. Small world.
I spent 10 years in the German army and I didn't see 20% of the amount of combat these guys saw in a few weeks.
Yea, the United States has been at some kind of war in various countries in the middle east for the last 20 years tho. idk of the last conflict Germany was involved in after WWII, or if they’re involved in something currently. Excuse my ignorance if im missing something big here, but that may have something to do with it.
I joined the army (US) in March of 2000 and spent a little over 10 yrs in total. I ended up doing 3 combat tours (2003 Afghanistan, 2005 Iraq and 2008-09 Iraq. I knew guys that had done at least 4 tours. Those first 10 yrs after 9/11 were VERY busy if you were in the US army lol. All you did was train and prep for your next deployment.
special forces is very different u see way more combat
NATO combined losses in Afghanistan were 3k of which 2.4k were American losses, and around 1.2k were the rest of NATO. to say NATO forces are experienced is an overstatement.
Loved the tip to Cleared Hot. By the way, that must’ve been a terrifying realization that if that pilot was off the other direction we wouldn’t have Wine and Rations
Bout to start SFAS tomorrow! Thank you buck for all your help!!
get after it! one day at a time, if that's too hard, one meal at a time, if you are going to quit, wait till the next day
Good luck
@@FNGACADEMY words to live by
Do great man, keep us updated!
Did you make it?
I was on a PSYOP team in Iraq in 2007 and we had danger close ordinace dropped. The building across the street exploded. So either the pilot was off target by about 300m or we weren't where we thought we were. Considering the blue force trackers we were using, it really could have been either.
RE: The Green Berets calling in rounds - if you read “alone it dawn“ it goes into the fact that ODA 595 actually refused CCT support for task force dagger. Obviously it probably wasn’t the 18 alpha, but at least at that stage in the mission they were calling in the bombs themselves.
It was really cool! One of my favorite movies about one of my favorite subjects reviewed by one of my favorite people.
I'm guessing it would be the 18echo, right?
The men of the ODA 555 sat up
There needs to be a movie made about ODA 555 and their "first there" motto!!
When he said 4 Javelins I was smiling.
When he said he was called off, I was sad.
lmao
AF Here: The new LT in my squadron is becoming head of OPs and with me and some buddies returning from deployment he pushed really hard for us to get RNR that our squadron wasnt going to give us and he got it. He is really proving to us that he is supporting us as #1 to him, instead of his career.
If you read 'alone at dawn' by Dan Schilling he goes into detail about CCT first be implemented with these TAC teams that first entered Afghanistan like in 12 strong, there were 2 TAC teams, one has a CCT and one didn't, the one in the movie actually didn't and struggled by almost killing allies with close air support
Poor tacps being left out in text as usual lol 😢
@@ggNotSuree TACPs are badass. Sorry if I missed em!
@@ding_chavez7613 hehe. Nah not you sir. You’re comment was great. Respect to the AF.
I’ve binged watched the absolute shit out of this series y’all do 😂 keep up the awesome work boys 💪🏼🇺🇸
🙏🙏
I remember joining up and still having the full-auto M-16's with a super nail. Steel sites some with 203's. We switched in the mid-'80s to the M16a1 and still had full auto. We went through some barrels in the beginning. Then we switch to the M-16a2 which had a safe, semi, burst. The burst took some time getting used to but it ended being a good nonauto 3 round burst. We had so many guys that would spray and pray. We had some night vision goggles that George Washington had. They worked ok for what we were using them for. We also were still using jungle boots and the Vietnam OD green fatigues. It took a year until we received our tactical printed uniforms. They were so light compared to the old ones. We still didn't have the velcro uniforms yet. I was in the Artillery and whenever we would put up camo nets on our 30-day deployment we usually came home without buttons. They would get stuck on the camo net. We got so pissed we just yanked them from the net and listened to the button fly.
I really appreciate you guys telling us stories about what it was like being badasses and having the best missions. You guys have my utmost respect and when I see stories about what you guys have accomplished it brings tears into my eyes knowing that I couldn't help more. I was stationed in Baumholder Germany and when Desert Shield came around we were deployed to the Kuwaiti area with our 155MM Self Propelled Guns. I was an FDC guy so we had it easier than most. To us Desert Storm was an extended training OP. It was over so fast. That's one thing that haunts me always. Not getting back to help my friends and my section. For a while, I really felt useless in life because of that. Sorry, this was so long and probably a real bore for some of you guys. Really enjoy watching you guys. Stay safe and healthy. BATTLE READY and "Fidelis et Verus" (Faithful and True).
Well on your way to 100,000 subs and beyond well done. Good breakdown boys. Cheers from Ontario.
thanks homie!
Really enjoyed it, guys! Loved to hear that nothing has changed!!! Best wishes!
ODA-572(HALO) & 575, 1973-1977.
I love these videos guys. It gives great perspective from our side which most people don't understand.
Would love to see a breakdown on Blackhawk down and the outpost
could do that
too funny " clear by fire!" but sooo true, of the ANA/Taliban. The newbie taliban fighters would go black on ammo within the first minute of a fight. there were a few times the fast movers or bombers dropped ordinance from altitude and we never saw where it landed. Flew Apaches in 2006 (in A-Land), was doing over watch on an area of compounds that ODA and ANA spec ops guys were going house to house. We (one other apache and I) could not get solid comms from the ODA on the ground (due to wrong antenna on his radio) his 1sgt was wounded and pinned down on the opposite side of the alley from his team mates. I was going to put one rocket in a known orchard and hopefully get an adjust fire from the SF guys. My aircraft was having problems with a flight control surface; either way I made sure I was above our guys when I squeezed the trigger... stabilator malfunctioned at that moment while 5 HE rockets fired (instead of one) I thought I had hit our guys as there was no comms from the ground for a few seconds (felt like minutes) then finally heard a "GOOD SHOT!" call. Great comments guys, Cheers. btw I filmed that battle and it would have made it into my movie but we were under time constraints.
just watched this last weekend. whole time i was looking for the CCT as im Air Force. glad to see it wasnt just me.
nope lots of people missing here... could be the rush to get over seas some things not worked out yet
Don’t quote me on this but I think they infilled without a CCT but I think they got sent both a CCT and a TACP later on
As a former JTAC, danger close for CAS is 500m. The JTAC/CCT will send "danger close" in the 9-line AND the commander's initials (which the JTAC should already know), there's no reason that he wouldn't drop. The ONLY reason that I can think of that he (the pilot) "questioned" you and that was hesitant. It may have been a new pilot and he knew that his ass would be grass if anything happened to you guys. Depending on the a/c and the branch (F-15 vs A-10 and AF vs USMC) the crews are more/less trained at danger close missions. If the pilot is confident (WITH combat experience) he'll put those rounds/bombs where ever you tell him to. It's YOUR (our) ass on the line. The crew will do what ever it takes and (depending on their "play time") spend as much time as they need to help out the guys on the ground...
He is embellishing... if you watch the video of the incident(He uploaded the video), you will hear no hesitation or questioning at all.
Hmm. For sure. But Danger close distance depends on the munitions being used.
This was damn well made a film for sure and very well acted. Aside from *Chris "Thor" Hemsworth* we also had *Michael Shannon* who was General Zod in Man Of Steel (2013). Plus, *Navid Negahban* as General A. R. Dostum who was Amahl Farouk the Shadow King in FX's Legion (2017-2019) to round off comic references, and he was Abu Nazir in Homeland, Ali the sadistic husband in The Stoning Of Sorya M. (2008), & Dr. Challus Mercer in the 2008 video game Dead Space, to name a few. So this had a hell of a cast.
Michael Shannon in The Iceman bro..
Michael Shannon as Greg in 8 mile. Dammmnnnnn killed it
Michael Peña in Ant Man and Trevante Rhodes in The Predator
I've never been in the military but it seems crazy to me that to be an officer you have to have a bachelor's degree. It seems the experience in service would be more valuable in a lieutenant than college
Officers are logistics.
Not really combat leaders or whatever thats ncos
Historically, the officers were just the noblemen. Army was classist and noblemen couldn't be hanging around common men. As time went by and nobility disappeared, classism remained but it had to rely on something new. So they decided to base it on university degree because the rich could easily afford to get a degree and common people were too busy surviving to study
There are 2 ways to get commissioned without a college degree, but they're extremely rare. 1 is through direct commission (where some requirements such as college degree can be waived), 2 is battlefield commission (often only happens in wartime, but it's also rare). But overall, yes I'd prefer officers get to become officers bcoz of experience/capability/knowledge rather than a degree.
Also, when you throw out acronyms, remember that civilians don't know, break it down for the average joe, you guys are great. I remember on one of my first missions in theater, working with the green berets, the 06, soon to be a one star, said to me, what's your first name, mine is so and so. I knew this guy wasn't big FUCKING Army, he was a leader. We were the QRF for you guys, launched our airplanes within 30 minutes to support you guys. 2 dedicated airframes at all times to the Spec OPS guys. One time our crew was being launched and jumped in the Gator to go to the airplane. SGM (Sergeant Major) tried to stop them because they had to cross the hardball, Gators weren't authorized to drive on the hardball, he touched my CW3, the most mild mannered most professional aviator I ever knew, and he decked the SGM to get to the bird to launch. I was so proud of him, of course later we had to tap dance but he was right, mission first!
I think it was implied that Michael Pena's character was maybe the team sergeant. He speaks direct with the captain without regard and was given charge of C cell.
I got to fire off not 1 but 3 javelin round in Iraq(03). I've yet to meet anyone else other than the other cube in my squad that got to fire off 1. I hear stuff like this and gives me a little smile that I actually got to do it.
I recall an XO as well. I remember TM SGT, WO, XO & CO but I was merely attached.
This is the content I love to see from you, Sean. I just wish these videos were longer and more detailed, I know you cut a lot of the content. Make it an hour long, even longer if you wanted to. Look closely at the gunfights and give criticism on the tactics and realism. I’d love to see the uncut version where you watched the whole movie with Kurt. Do Blackhawk Down, any of the Jason Bourne movies, Zero Dark Thirty, The Hurt Locker, and Sicario!
The problem is intellectual property: he’s only allowed to show so much before that’s considered “copyright violation” and he’s hit with some pretty nasty fees and/or jail time.
Love the vids! Would like you guys to explain the different rolls between Captain, Warrant Officer, and Team Sergeant in more detail for us non-military guys. Thanks gents!
"If it is one guy, it won't be the Captain." Love it guys! Thanks for the breakdown.
@9:24 when the dude on the left hits that button and that blue light turns on, is that just a blue light or does that seat keep your beer cool?
I was taught when I first got into 160th to keep an eye on you guys because you guys always took a souvenir off the Chinooks when yall left and everytime I watched you guys always got something lol I could never catch you.
“It’s danger close”
“Send it!”
Nice
My first xo at ft. Campbell is portrayed in this film. He was always a stud before selection.
yooooo talking about ending the tank with the m4 had me dead LOL the super lethal 3-round burst 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A few years ago I drove nearby ground zero in Manhattan. There was that statue of a solider on a horse. At that time, I didn't know who that was. Plus I only saw it from a car window. Then my mom took me to this movie in 2019.
Holy shit!!!! I was litterally just thinking about how great of a movie this and wandering if yall would do a video on it!!
we got you!
In this movie Michael Pena's character Diller is credited as ODA 595 intelligence sergeant fist class I think he is the closest character to the team sergeant
I find it cool that Rob Riggle is lieutenant colonel IRL and got the roll to play his boss in this movie
We need more of these. Y’all killed it. 🙌🏽
thank you!
LETS GOOO the episodes are back!!!
Also great break down man keep it up
thanks dude!
"It's the most realistic part of the movie" 😂 12:39 Where?
Bro that react got me rolling. What the actual hack happened to that t90
Just found out about this channel and think its dope! As a current 5th Group GB, I am so happy y'all called out the head shed dynamic here and how unrealistic it is lol. Anyone who asks me about this movie that's the first thing I address. TM SGT runs the show, nobody listens to the CPT he doesn't give orders and you will NEVER see this on an ODA.
Same I kept wondering where the cct or tacp was the entire time lol
You guys should do Red Dawn (2012) next! It'd be interesting to hear how the Green Berets would handle that situation.
They would spend the entire time shitting on the movie.
@@thatcanadianguy9875 My grandpa was a Green Beret back in Vietnam (ODA 595) and Red Dawn is his favorite movie
@@lanesilva9234 2012? Version. I call bullshit 100%
@@thatcanadianguy9875 might have been the 1984 one or I’m getting it confused with another movie
Respect this great movie & great review lads
Why didn’t they have a JTAC in this movie? Typically they’d have an AF CCT attached.
Awesome Chris Hemsworth operative back-to-back movie breakdowns! 😂 Hacksaw Ridge next plz!
Chris is dope man no doubt!
Saw some confusion in the comments - ODA - operational detachment alpha. Are a team of Green berets . Very Different jobs but similar in names to 1st SFOD-alpha who are CAG./The Unit/ Delta whatever their calling themselves now
The Javelin story killed me. 😂
right!
It's been a little when since I've watched this movie, but I'm fairly confident one of my criticisms when I first saw it was on the Technical Advisor and the utter lack of reloads throughout the entire film
That's often omitted due to creative decisions. The tech advisor most certainly recommended it. He's an experienced guy. 😎
So basically, the Captain gets the mission for his ODA, then the TS directs the ODA during the mission, except in this movie, the captain is the one directing the mission and getting into firefights, they had to make Chris Hempsworth the guy to win the mission AND direct the mission, they should've just had him as the TS
Been waiting for this one!
In 2011/2012 some of my charter high school mates and I trained some SF guys how to ride horses because we had an alumni that held a high rank in in the SF community that suggested using his old stomping grounds to train a detachment on the 300 sum odd acres we called home. Was a pretty surreal experience at the time, and they taught us about some of their weapons and equipment (probably nothing secret). Can’t disclose too much about it because we were asked to keep specifics to ourselves, but it was an honor to teach warriors of such high caliber, and the inspired me to go on and do some cowboy shit of my own, though I went a through a different pipeline than joining the military.
Any relation to Uther Pendragon, the father of King Arthur?
@@blaineedwards8078 actually my family’s actual sir name was awarded to us for honor and courage on the battlefield. It’s based off of pendragon
One thing that almost took me out of this movie, I noticed no one reloads their weapons...ever (with the exception of the Tali rocket launching truck). It's like their guns had infinite ammo. Reloads add more realism to gun fights imo.
Former military personnel don't understand that it's actually a good thing that this movie's don't get it right.
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If they get it right it's free intel for the enemy, sure they don't have the same level of tactical training but there might come a day that you face force's with similar tactical training and they know more about your troops than you know about theirs due to "accurate movies"...
No. With the advent of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) very few things are off limits. The Army has made several educational films and documentaries about our special operations community that is readily available. What happened late 2001 is no secret and not hard to find, Hell they wrote a book about this that is supposed to be more accurate.
Proud to have met some of them in Vegas at SFA this year. Legends! Oops 2021 is last year now. 😂
nice!
What is your opinion about “The Green Berets”, with John Wayne? I know it’s old. Aldo Rey, the Sgt, was a Navy UDT. My Son, who has a College degree, decided to go enlisted, SF, because he believes that the best officers come up through the ranks.
Thank you for your content. I plan on joining the Rangers when I am older.
That part in the movie where Thor Odin Son Kung Fu kicked and RPG that was AWESOME!
i remember hearing about those guys in the class room at Camp Mckall
I LOVE THAT BOOK!!! OMG>.. I read that book while in Afghanistan...
Funny and a little sad to hear your officers climbed the ladder through deployments too. We had so many CMSgts (E9s) running around that they had to make up jobs for them, including being in the chow hall to enforce clothing regulations. We had a plethora of officers just being in camp giving themselves bronze stars. Usually they were just a pain and completely unnecessary to those of us actually flying the missions.
No jtac, captain does everything, no team SGT, it’s how you know it’s a movie. Was good to pander to an audience though and still told a good story of actual events.
Film failed to mention most got killed by their officer dropping jdam on them because American troops didn’t know how to use lasers properly…
I never thought about the tank that just suddenly wasn't working 😂😂. Sean is so observant ngl😂
Haha love this series man!
appreciate it
Dude, they made a new rank, MasterCaptainSergeant Nelson and he rocked that shit. But for real, ODA 595 had an unrealistic task, but somehow came through. I had a 3rd Group SGM equate this mission with the Lewis & Clark Expedition in that no one really knew what they were getting themselves into, but still jumped right in and got the job done. I just hate how Hollywood has to add entertainment and remove vital details when making a film. I guess former SOF guys aren’t their target audience, and this is why my wife hates watching military movies with me.
As near as I could tell when I watched this movie, the tank was either abandoned and left over from the Soviet invasion, or it was meant to be non operational if the Taliban operating it.
Hollywood never shows the 1sg or senior ncos. They only get officers to advise
My dad is a career cop (a real deal cop), the writing issues of leader ship (many role wrapped into one because, the writers) is a issue I have with a lot of cop shows. Law and order is the best cop show (written cop) ever because, the writing shows how different people have different roles. Not a super cop or in your example the super solider.
I’m curious if you two can do a breakdown of the documentary horse soldiers? It appeared on Hulu if I remember and it had first hand accounts of the mission from the green berets on the ground.
Is a CWO equal to a master gunny in the Marines?
No. Gunny's are enlisted and CWO's are warrant officer's. All warrant officer's outrank enlisted.
Favorite one yet.
The team that they made the movie about made a whiskey bourbon called Horse Soldier. They even got some steel from ground zero to cast the bottles. Should check it out!!
that sounds amazing!
They were in KC last week with it. Got to meet Maj. Mitch Nelson and have a bottle autographed.
It’s good stuff (barrel strength)
Definitely one of my favorite bourbons!
Personally from serving in group a as Warrant myself - they really should have made Hollingsworth the team sergeant or even the Warrant Officer - No Captain ever gets to run the team like that
You should see if you could get a former SF Warrant Officer on your show to go over in depth exactly what their job is and what they do
will do, we are starting a mentor program and it will have exclusive content, that will be one of the videos
Love the beers and breakdown videos! But where are the beers??
they were there! some good IPA's
Entry by fire is a legit tactic in urban combat against enemies that like to blow themselves up. It’s just testing the environment inside that room, see what transpires after firing the rounds.
Navy guy here, I've been in at least three commands with no senior enlisted, it happens sometimes.
Dillard was the team Sargeant. If you notice when they get on the helicopter he's counting personnel.
"How did you beat the tank?"
Dude, didn't you see Tom Hanks blowing up a tank with his 1911
There is a sergeant in the film as well, its Michael pena's character but its just not mentioned. He's supposedly sergeant first class.
How did he beat the tank.... he shot it with his three round burst....hahahaha😂🤣😂
They probably wanted to combine characters. For example, every book I've read about the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq always mention the combat controller. However, the only movie I've seen that includes one is Transformers.