I was NOT prepared for *Full Metal Jacket*
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2024
- This movie was so intense. I dont think I got over it.
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Original Movie: Full Metal Jacket (1987)
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My uncle was a Marine during the Vietnam era. He said the boot camp portion of this movie is the most accurate film he’s seen about Vietnam.
We needed boots on the ground, so break them down, build them up and ship them out. Just how it was.
Buy the way Ames , I was in the NAVY and even though my boot camp wasn't like this, I watched the Marines trane and this is all true. It was brutal!
I went into the Army 🪖 in '97. I heard all of these phrases, but I hadn't seen this movie yet. It took me a while to find out where all their phrases came from.
My father said the same thing. He was laughing and rolling around on the couch in fits screaming, "He's a Marine, that was my Drill Instructor!" Not Ermy, just Ermy's performance.
I went through marine bootcamp back in '06 and this was what it was like for us. They weren't supposed to be this cruel but they were big on keeping traditions alive.
The actor playing the Drill Instructor actually was a DI in the Marines. So no, this is not an over the top depiction of boot camp. He just did his normal drill instructor routine. He was supposed to be an advisor, not an actor, but he got the job because he was so good. The actor who originally was meant to play the DI got the job of door gunner on the helicopter instead. The guy who says "anyone who runs is a Viet Cong so I can shoot them. Anyone who stands still is a well disciplined Viet Cong!"
If you're gonna comment about "the actor", why don't you mention the name of "the actor"? It's effing pointless just saying "the actor".
@@eatsmylifeYT- The actor’s name is Tim Colceri.
@@eatsmylifeYT Saying "the actor" or "R. Lee Ermey, the actor" doesn't make much difference in how well someone will understand his comment. The basic info is the same. I agree it's better to honour the man by giving his name, but it isn't "pointless" not to. Weird comment, man.
@@SweetZombiJesus It's a basic guideline in writing. It's taught in school in English class.
@@Parallax-3D You're talking about two actors here. Which one?
I met Gunny years before he died, he was very humble and kind to my wife and I at a military function. He was a treasure. RIP Gunny.
I've only ever heard good things about him.
Fort Irwin.
I live in Lancaster CA, where he lived, we had an Ave named after him, I have been to his house with my job since he died and its full of memorabilia.
Outside of work most DIs are actually some of the nicest people you could ever meet. Just don’t get on their bad side at work
There will never be another good soldier like him.
The drill instructor was played by R. Lee Emery who was an actual drill instructor from the Marines. He was originally hired as an "advisor" however after watching him perform, Kubrick made the decision to hire him to play "Sgt. Hartman".
The entire first half of the movie was completely "unscripted". Emery was allowed to completely improvise. This is why it was so authentic. He was literally playing himself as a drill instructor.
RIP Lee Ermey, the actor who portrayed Gunnery Sergeant Hartman. Such a great role...and he wasn't really acting.
He was the advisor for the drill sergeant part but instead of advising they just used him instead of the actor that was originally supposed to do it.
@@argetlam05 Tim Colceri (psycho door gunner scene) was the original drill sergeant but Ermey got picked instead.
Semper fi
He played the same role in Space Above and Beyond if you want to see a few more clips on youtube, he's still great there too.
Roger that
"Is this an exaggeration? or a parody?" This is probably one of the most accurate depictions of Marine boot camp ever put to film. R. Lee ermey is just an exceptionally articulate and creative Drill Instructor compared to a lot of the DI's i encountered on the island. Marine Corps 2012-2017.
The fact that this is so realistic, to me, makes it a parody because of how funny it really is when you actually see it from the outside perspective and see how stupid war and all this really is.
No it's not. Ermey has stated in multiple interviews that Kubrick wanted him to go overboard with the physical and verbal abuse. Stop spreading this lie.
@@Lbdataz1469 really? Because I know nom era Marines that said this is what it was actually like.
So there is that.
I was gonna say, I've seen USMC DIs and a lot of times you can't even understand them because they're simply screaming too loud or they've lost their voice from screaming and now it's just rasp lol.
@@Cablev94 Now, you're feeding into it what you wish.
Watch his interviews: he is not anti-war and has defended the film, as a man of war himself. Kubrick said once: 'it's not an anti-war film, it's not a pro-war film. It's just war'.
We can assume Kubrick was no fan of mindless war or dictatorships, but he was evidently not anti-war throughout his entire life, and clearly had a great respect for men of war.
Some of your comments are interesting to consider, and work in any framework, to be clear: fashion looks 'stupid' from the outside, but naked humans are either nothing but a small tribe or complete dogs. Cafés also look stupid from such an anti-human viewpoint, but to eat food with other humans is vital to human life itself and pre-dates large-scale warfare itself.
Obviously, the statement 'war is stupid' has no meaning or function. Was defeating Nazism 'stupid' or are you merely not going to define this as 'war'? England openly attacked Germany with almost a singular hand, followed by the U.S. and others, and France in defence and the Soviet Union in the great battle for European control. (Germany attacked Russia first, but we know that Russia already planned to invade Germany. Hitler merely moved first, for a few reasons -- and, as many forget, Hitler was literally about three months away from taking Russia and Europe. It was not so clear-cut at the time.)
If 'war' is without scale, then this must mean 'fighting' is stupid, and possibly even the notion of 'self-defence'. Taken further, 'teasing' is stupid, along with 'play-fighting'. At this level, however, what you really mean to express is that 'human existence is stupid'. In fact, it's worse than this: bears have play-fighting and without it, they die. Chimps have war (raids); thus, even war is not truly a human invention.
If you also watch the interviews, you note that this isn't extremely realistic: but it's realistic in many ways.
Finally: you failed to consider other views and frameworks. One view is that he was weak, that's why he snapped. It was not his innocence or the objective ruthlessness of the training, but his own weakness. Notice how the other men didn't snap, that they were evidently not weak, or as weak? Maybe some were not so innocent -- but we must assume they were all relatively innocent in this context before they entered training. What we are doing here is shifting 'weakness' and 'harmlessness' and 'cowardice' and 'kindness' for 'innocence'. This is beyond foolish.
We can conclude from this that there was something about him, not the training itself. This is somewhat of a Nietzschean understanding -- there are always multiple ways to interpret suffering and life, even the exact same experience. That's why this film is so powerful, and has two primary sides/fans.
Another Nietzschean notion is that of 'slave morality'. Out of weakness and envy, he wanted to take what he didn't have, he wanted to destroy the 'master morality' (of the Marines), and twist it, such that his weakness and failure and corruption and lack of nobility became the morality. The ultimate expression of this hatred and resentment was his murdering the master morality/nobility (in the form of the drill instructor) and his own suicide, just to cap it off, and let the world know that he really meant it, and that there was nothing sacred -- that Being itself was unbearable and worthless.
In this regard, he identified with Cain, the murderer of all murderers, with a psychology very similar to that of many school shooters (if you read the FBI reports and their journals, etc.). That is, at least, one primary way of viewing the film's characters and the themes thereof.
I served in the Marine Corps from '82-'86 and went to boot camp at Parris Island 3rd Battalion "H" Company.
The depiction of boot camp in this movie was extremely accurate. It was the best decision I ever made.
Semper Fidelis!
I am a marine corps combat vet. This is 100% what boot camp is. Although I trained at San Diego. It is the funniest place on earth where you’re not allowed to laugh 😂
Lol boot camp hasn't been anything like that in a long time and now its worse that ever. New marines are allowed to be soft to meet quotas.
Was there May 1970. Semper Fi!
Semper Fi from a Parris Island Marine...
"I don't know whether to laugh, or just be absolutely horrified". That's Kubrick for ya.
No…that’s the reality of the Marines in wartime. Generation Kill is also like this.
Just wait till she sees "A Clockwork Orange".
NO ONE is ever prepared to watch this movie the first time.
Especially not the millennials or zoomers. “OMG he’s calling them maggots” 😂
I wasn't...I was 9 though.
This was my first date with my wife back in 1987. Hell of a way to start a long marriage.
Still married.
People are too weak today for a movie like this. I was a kid when I saw this with a bunch of friends and we all loved it. Absolutely transfixed by Ermy in the Boot Camp scenes. We loved him. If the Marines had a recruiting table outside the theater we'd have signed up right there. Lol It wasn't at all heavy for us. Just a great film.
Shit, I still haven’t been able fully rewatch it. After like 20 years. It’s THAT insane. Only other movie I think falls in that category for me… Requiem For A Dream. But I thought I was watching a comedy that time (wrong DVD in the rental case). At least with Full Metal Jacket, I had an IDEA of what to expect going into it.
Vincent D'Onofrio absolutely crushed his role as Pyle. He has said he was watching old horror movies and leaned into those characters. Especially noticeable with the bathroom scene and his crazy breathing. He crushed it.
Agreed I love his quirky acting style. "The Cell" was brilliant also.
Can you imagine Painter Bob Ross as a Drill Sergeant? He ACTUALLY WAS. He said after he left the military he would NEVER YELL at anyone again....Let's paint s fluffy little cloud...and a nice friendly Deer!
Talk about a TOTAL 180!
Never knew that. But I did once meet an ex-RAF fighter pilot who was invalided out due to PTSD after killing people in battle. He was very quiet.
Bob Ross was in the Air Force not the Marines. He was not a boot camp drill sargent he was a Master Sargent which is just a rank not a job title. HUGE difference.
@@GTgrad He did teach at Basic Training during his career and his quote about being the guy that screamed at you and made you scrub the Latrine sure sounds like a Drill Instructor/Sergeant - and he has discussed Drilling as well. He rose to Master Sergeant but he didn't start there.I also don't think I said he was a Marine. His quote is part of this story regarding his Military Career. -
It's hard to believe that some former airmen out there first met Ross, of all people, while he was shouting at them in a Smokey Bear campaign hat. While it's true he taught basic training, that was not the career path he wanted for himself.
"I was the guy who makes you scrub the latrine, the guy who makes you make your bed, the guy who screams at you for being late to work," Ross later said. "The job requires you to be a mean, tough person, and I was fed up with it. I promised myself that if I ever got away from it, it wasn't going to be that way anymore."
A recurring joke about bootcamp: It is the funniest place on earth where you're not allowed to laugh. Drill Instructors are like sadistic stand-up comedians, lmao. Ahhh, good times indeed, bootcamp was a blast.
This film is beloved by a lot of Marines. Rest easy, Gunny Ermey, and Semper Fi.
Nothing is harder in this world than keeping a straight face with a DI that stutters.
@@nexes lmfao 🤣
And as someone who was in the Army, this is the reason I joined, it motivated me to be hi-speed.
@@nexes my drill instructor had a lisp, so saying my last name for him was always a test of my bearing.
The most memorable one liner for me was marching back from haircuts like 2 months in and I see a DS lock into someone a couple ranks up and a scream of "GET IN STEP, YOU CHUBBY FUCK!". Cruel without context but fucking hilarious in my minds eye
Vincent D'Onofrio said that the production of this film took so long that his co-star Matthew Modine was single when filming began, but over the course of filming, he got married, got his wife pregnant, had a son and that his son had his first birthday all before the film was released
Him and his wife got married in 1980 and got his son in 1985🤣
@@canislupus6182 Then I guess D'Onofrio likes to tell some tall tales😆
@@clash5j Or, more likely, D'Onofrio said nothing of the sort, and you're just going through the Mandela Effect.
According to Wikipedia, casting was in 85 and film released in late June 87.
Obviously development for a couple of years.
Very interesting list of alternate actors considered.
That cant be true because I remember D'Onofrio also said Modine was on a walk with his wife in NYC (where Vincent happened to be working as a doorman) and mentioned in passing he got a part in a new Kubrick film and recommended Vince audition too. Are you sure what you heard is correct?
I had a Vietnamese girlfriend. She said Apocalypse Now was good, but Full Metal Jacket was much closer to what Vietnam looked like. She was from Hue.
What did she think about Platoon, out of curiosity?
@@jbest4765 We never talked about that one. Not sure if she ever saw it.
5th Marines were in Hue City, some of the toughest fighting during the war occurred in the citadel.
As a combat veteran. I find it more humorous to see the younger generations in total shock seeing basic training for the first time.
The reactors often say things like " Oh, that's so mean, etc." Well, think about this, in combat the enemy will not give a damn.. about your feelings. If you can't handle the stress of basic training, what chance do you think you will have in combat.
Oorah.
Well these guys lost this war, the war before, and a 20 year war later on. Maybe this isn't the best way.
I agree, war is not the best way. After my experience as a soldier, I made an oath to myself to live in peace...but in the context of the time, this is how things were. Many of these recruits were drafted. Once drafted, you had to make life altering choices, go in the military, go to prison or leave the U.S. and never return. I understand what you are saying, however the collective consciousness of society is just not there yet.
@@nathan8418 you aren't very good at history.
@@NP-ux9xg Don't need to be. Got a huge pecker.
That first scene with sergeant Hartman is one of the greatest improvisation scene in cinematic history ! You can't write something that crazy !! Kubrick is a mad genius...
After watching FMJ numerous times and finding out it's history, I'd say R. Lee Ermey probably made that introduction dozens of times as a real drill instructor.
I think I read something about gunny saying that the only way that he would do that opening drill sergeant monologue was if he was allowed to ad-lib as he saw fit. I was in the military just after Vietnam ended, and even though by the time I got in there in boot camp they weren't supposed to be allowed to hit you - but they could pretty much talk about you and your mother anyway they wanted - we would still get hit by some drill sergeants. Blanket parties were a real thing, used by the entire platoon to... _encourage_ the slow Learner(s) to catch up. We were all talked down to and shaved heads and made all even so that we were nothing so that we could then be raised back up to a single unit of soldiers all at the same time. I was 17 and it sucked LOL. But I will always say there are two people a man will never forget, one is his father and the other is his drill sergeant. I'm in my 60's and I still can picture Drill Sergeant Burleson and remember his voice clearly to this day.
Private Pyle is an example of a program nicknamed "Macnamara's Morons". It was a program to increase the number of soldiers by heavily lowering the standards like IQ. They are also called, "Macnamara's 100,000." The results ended up that those soldiers had a way higher mortality rate than the standard soldiers. Joker was being sarcastic about being the first with a confirmed kill. It is how he deals with uncomfortable situations. One last interesting thing. If you watch the scene where Pyle is shooting and gets complimented when he reloads look at the magazine. IT still has rounds in it. That was how he got the live rounds back to the barracks.
A vet once told me that he knew a "Macnamara Moron" in Vietnam. He was pulling guard duty one night. A fellow soldier was coming up and was shot and killed. The "moron" guard shot first then yelled, "Who goes there??" If that wasn't bad enough, the guy (that should never have been in the military), "disappeared." He was murdered by someone in the unit.
@@lewistasso8866 Murdered, don't you mean fragged. Probably a frag party by everyone
@@WilliamPickett75 No, that's specifically when you got rid of someone in your own unit whom you disliked (such as a gung-ho officer liable to get you killed with their antics) by rolling a grenade up to them unexpectedly, maybe as they were resting/sleeping - hence the word fragging, derived from "fragmentation grenade".
Just killing someone on the quiet side wouldn't be a fragging.
McNamara's Morons didn't just have a higher mortality rate among themselves, they actively lowered the combat effectiveness of whatever unit they were in and increased the mortality rate overall. It was a huge disaster.
@@WilliamPickett75 Fragging is meant to be an injury that looks incidental rather than deliberate, easier to do with a 'nade. Not meant to be lethal, just injure the person enough to get them shipped out.
Murdering someone straight up would be different.
Our dad was a DI in the Marines in the late 50's. He told us kids that's exactly how the training went. You'd see a smile ear to ear on our dad's face every time the first part of this movie was played in our house. Once a Marine, always a Marine...
This was one of my dad’s fave’s! He was in the military in the 60’s and said his drill instructor was EXACTLY like this
I knew a marine vet from that era, and he told me the boot camp depiction was the most accurate thing he has ever seen in a movie. It really seemed to effect him.
A lot of World War two vets said the opening scene to saving private ryan was pretty accurate as well
We were still getting shoved and choked out (😮) in OSUT : Benning 2003
I didn’t clear my weapon and police all of my brass properly and my drill sergeant tackled me and put me to sleep until everything was safe 😂 I knew he did it mostly for show or force for the rest of the platoon and I was cool with him the whole time but it kinda hurt my feelings for a few days
We weren’t beaten but we always had very ‘interesting ‘ corrective discipline line dismantling our bunks and our wall Lockers and assembling our entire barracks outside for two days and nights because they found a can of dip in the trash and nobody would fess up
15:42 _"What's a Section 8? Somebody's getting kicked out or that he's going crazy?"_
Both.😄
It means to get discharged on psychiatric grounds.
Its the thing that Klinger kept trying to get wearing a dress on MASH.
Retired Marine here!!!! This is absolutely accurate !!!! R LEE ERMY was a national treasure!!!!
Served in the Marines from 1977 to 1983; just after the Vietnam cutoff. My bootcamp experience was close to this movie. I was just 5ft 1 1/2in tall and 117lbs. But I graduated with pride. The difference, was that the DIs were not allowed to hit the recruits during my time in the Corps. One of my favorite things to do, is marching and calling cadence. Later in life, I had the chance to turn into a Marine Corps DI while working as a Correctional Officer in a medium security state prison. My MOS was 7011, Expeditionary Airfield Equipment Technician. Basically, I installed, operated and maintained portable airfields. We stopped tailhook aircraft, like the F-4, A-4, A-6, F-5, E-2 and later, the F/A-18. We trained pilots for carrier landings. I was stationed at MCAS El Toro, Santa Ana, CA and also MCAS Futemna, Okinawa, Japan.
42:14 Joker was not outta ammo at the end, his gun jammed. The automatic rifle he was using is the M16 which were prone to jamming, especially when they were first introduced during the Vietnam era. Every now and then in the film when the Marines are reloading, you see them tap a magazine (of fresh bullets) on their helmet before loading it into the weapon. What that does is, it forces the ammunition within the mag to slide to the fully aft (back) position. If the rounds are too forward in the magazine, they will jam up in the rifle while firing.
The AR-15 is an extremely reliable weapon that was designed to use Remington ammunition. The Army Bureau of Ordinance had fought tirelessly in the late 1940s to prevent NATO from switching to a smaller caliber, and now 12 years later their own government was forcing them to do it, so in adopting the M-16 they sabotaged it by using gunpowder from a different supplier, a powder unsuitable for the M-16 as it burned slower so that when the bullet passed the gas port that applied pressure to release the bolt, combustion was still occurring, so the gas tube would get fouled and fail to fully retract the bolt. And the Bureau just shrugged their shoulders and claimed they always said it was an unsuitable weapon.
The M16 was only prone to jamming becuase it was not cleaned properly.
The M16 got a bad reputation during Veitnam when in truth it was a much better rifle them the M14 it replaced
The reason if got the bad reputation was because of the jamming because it was not cleaned properly and the US troops didn't know how to clean the properly
The rifles were shipped to the troops to quickly amd they didn't include the proper cleaning gear or the rifle manual to show how the M16 should be broken down and cleaned.
After getting the initial reports on how the rifle functioned and the issues, the War Dept. made it a priority to get the correct cleaning gear and manuals to the US Troops.
Once the troops learned how to properly break them down and clean them, they had great praises for the rifle amd how it functioned in combat.
Plus even the best made rifles are going to jam on occasion.
@@Patrick-xv6qv you cannot clean a fouled gas tube. And cleaning an AR-15 using Remington powder was much easier than the ball ammunition the Army issued to soldiers in Vietnam.
@@jeffreysmith236 Let's not forget the decision not to chrome the chambers to save a few $ resulting in corrosion and failure to extract. Lots of bad decisions added up to a major problem.
OK, nerd.
I am a combat vet ( Vietnam ) I was there in 65/66 this movie was representing the 1968 tet offensive . The boot camp was accurate for that time but nothing like that now. Thank you for this and God bless you.
Ty for ur service ❤
"You just don't lead them so much!" Haha, priceless.
The tougher the DI was, the less body bags came home full. War is hell.
"Fewer", and it was one apiece anyhow
"Hamburger Hill" True Vietnam War story. You should probably avoid it unless you have a trauma counselor on stand by.
changed the way wars are fought.... read eyewitness stories, it was utter madness....
dude thats my favorite vietnam movie.. and its the only one based on a true story...
criminally underrated...
if you search hard you can find some news footage from the real hill that looks almost exactly like some scenes in the movie...
@@fonkyman My older brother was in the Marines. He served "in country" for four years. The movie he said reminded him of Vietnam the most was "The Boys in Company C". Have you seen it?
@@guscarlson7021 i heard that before think its because of the way its acted.
But for me it had too low production quality to fully enjoy
Hamburger hill is already made for litle money compared to platoon or apocalypse now.
But im also not a vet so what do i know
It dont mean nothin
At the height of the Vietnam war, the US was running out of qualified recruits so the Pentagon lower the standards for draftees, namely lowering the IQ of the draftees. Over 100,000 were drafted with IQs lower than 80. Private Pyle representatives one of those recruits.
They were called McNamara’s morons
McNamara's Morons.
Forest Gump and Bubba Gump were also examples of that program.
@@TheSpacemannspiff Benjamin "Bubba" Buford Blue
They were often called "McNamera's morons."
"he's gonna get strong, I just know it", you are in for a treat
Disturbing, yes. But realistic, also yes. Every bit of it, from boot camp to the end. Incredibly realistic, which is what both veterans and non-veteran movie-goers alike appreciate.
When I was in Air Force Basic Training, back in the late 70's, we had a recruit who couldn't take any more either. He wanted out so bad, that he kept f_ing up, hoping that they would discharge him. Instead, he kept putting him back to Day 1 of training, and made him start all over again. As such, he did not graduate with our Flight. I heard from another recruit that he finally threw himself down a flight of stairs and broke a leg. They finally discharged hm.
Yep that's a good case scenario but I've heard about other guys who couldn't take it and ended themselves .
That's the brutal nature of the military but a man's life in general , a man's life is generally 1000 times more difficult , real , brutal than a modern woman's life is.
Modern women live life on easy mode but most don't understand that and definitely don't care about a man's struggles whatsoever .
Like it , believe it or not !
Similar thing in my army basic training unit in 79. Wanted out and kept screwing up to get out. His screwing around got us punished almost daily. He was forced to keep training and they drug their feet on the paperwork, released him the day before we graduated, by that time he wanted to stay. They gave him his final pay and a bus ticket to his town, 1,800 miles away.
@@gregorygant4242 If you believe that's a normal man's life, you've been abused your whole life, son.
@@mainmac The military life well not so much as portrayed here but a man's life yes.
A man's life is generally much more brutal and difficult than a modern woman's life.
Not complaining about it but that's just how it is.
And modern women don't care about all that they just want a man's money resources they don't care about his morals, decency , honesty , loyalty nothing about that.
Those are the cold hard facts about women today.
@@gregorygant4242a normal man’s live isn’t being trained in bootcamp preparing you for war and seeing your buddy’s die infront of you, what type of incel shit are you on?
Lee was a family friend. He was as honest in life as he was in film. He was a beautiful man.
I was a drill sergeant in the army from 2013 to 2020. I can confirm that much of the basic training portrayed in this film is fairly accurate. The biggest deviation is the physical contact with the recruits. We don’t hit the recruits, and we don’t actively make efforts to single out recruits with humiliating or degrading personal attacks. But the yelling, the insults, the physical fitness, the regimentation, the constant and oppressive presence of the drill sergeants, it’s all pretty accurate.
There is a very scientific and planned method that is used to train civilians to be soldiers. It’s a process. It isn’t always pretty. But it works.
To add to that, this film portrayed Marine Boot Camp in the Mid-60’s preparing recruits to go fight in Vietnam. My Father was in the Corps at that time. He loved this movie and told me that back then, the DI’s in fact DID hit recruits, and physical contact was normal as well as singling out humiliating and degrading those who did not perform. One story he told me that he NEVER forgot, was about when he’s was performing below standard on the rifle range with his M14. The DI came up to him with a pair of pliers, squeezed his “trigger” finger with them & told him “You WILL shoot more accurately or I will keep squeezing you with these” he said he immediately shot much better after that! 😂😂
@@DanMar5858 I had a very close friend who also served in Vietnam, and he told me pretty much the same thing (without the personal anecdote about the finger grabbed with pliers) about Boot Camp. No matter how many times I asked, he kept much of what happened to him "over there" out of my ears.
I was born in the late 1960s, and saw the news broadcasts as a child until the war ended. I know that watching such things on television messed up a lot of children of that era (from stories my peers have told me, as well as my own personal experiences), so it's not really a stretch to imagine the amounts of PTSD that soldiers (of any/all branches) experienced from their time over there in real life, under real combat situations.
@@DanMar5858 Ya no doubt that broad is full of it
I went through Marine Basic Training in the 1980's. I can confirm that the Drill Instructors DO single out recruits for punishment. That's the difference between the two branches. You guys even dropped Shark Attack week to be more "touchy-feely".
Appreciate your relationship and appreciation for Ermey, but don’t you think this level of physical contact could have been accurate for ‘Nam Era Marine boot camp?
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“It’s all dark humor”…. My dear you just described the entire military sense of humor.
OIF/OEF/ROK/New dawn/Odyssey dawn
That's about how it was. I served 20 years in the Marine Corps and two combat tours in Vietnam. The first tour as a machine gunner (0331) in 1965-66 and the second as a Platoon commander (0369) in 1970-71. I retired after 20 years and had a 30 year career as a California police officer ( Marin County). What I learned in the Marine Corps has helped me all my life. I highly recommend it to anyone needing direction and wishing to learn self discipline .
Tom Boyte
GySgt. USMC, retired
Bronze Star, Purple Heart
Sir, Semper Fi!! Thank You for your service Sir!
Semper Fi, Gunny.
🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡
Thank you for your service
I had the exact same reaction to the movie. My dad was in Viet Nam, and he won't talk about it. I tried to ask him once, and he got a look in his eyes that I can't describe. I just knew to never ask again. My dad is such a sweet and gentle guy, I can't even imagine what it was like for him.
I had a friend who went and fought in desert storm. In combat a gernade hit a guy near him and blew him to bits.
My friend doesn’t talk about his time in the army. All I know is my friend went to war and someone else came back that looked like him with ptsd
Bless your father and thank him for his service.
Yeah, many combat veterans don't like to go into details about what happened to them, especially if they saw serious combat. My grandfather had a friend who was a POW in World War II and he had some stories but nothing really bad. The Germans actually treated the prisoners like human beings, though they wouldn't hesitate to shoot and kill anyone trying to escape and he saw it happen a few times.
You are a sweetheart. Coming from a military family (both mom and dads side) seeing your reactions to those scenes was like oxygen. My maternal grandfather, who fought in Okinawa told me war stories when I was young and thought it was really important I knew how to correctly bayonett a person (and many other things). My dad was drafted into Vietnam and I know what he saw and had to do robbed him of his joy. War is not sane or human. When you are a kid you think the stories dad and grandfather tell you are "normal". They aren't.
“One for the Corps… I guess the Corps don’t get one today” 😂
The cinematography in this (like all Kubrick films, really) is so immaculate. The zooms, tracking shots, lighting, shot compositions.. this is one of the best shot Kurbrick films, without a doubt.
Also, Joker's "war face" finally emerges as he sh*oots the sniper...
Also, when he shoots the sniper, as he turns the yin-yang symbol on his chest falls into the shadows.
@@Smokie_666wait what?? Oh damn, never noticed that detail before!
Kubrick's "2001 A Space Oddyssey" and "The Shining" are in my Top Ten favorite movies!!
This is called the Thousand Yard Stare. It's usually found with people who have seen a lot of trauma over the course of a few years, like during a war. Their eyes are hollow and distant... you can see them, but the person isn't really there.
first I've heard this!
20:11 "UNGHHHH, into 'these boots were made for walking', HOW!?" was fucking great. lol
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I've seen lots of shock over that last boot camp scene (and it's transition into Vietnam) but no one acknowledges the upbeat music in contrast to what the hell just happened on the screen. Time jumps be like that.
I guess I’ve just been de-sensitized, I’ve been watching this movie since a year after it was released so I think I first saw it in maybe 1987, I was maybe 14, so I know I’m dating myself a bit here. But I find the whole movie quite humorous. But, I used to watch it with my dad who actually was in Vietnam, in the Marines in 65-67, so it was something we used to bond over I guess. 😊
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@@holddowna That guy who went off the deep end ending the life of his D.I. and then himself on the toilet was an example of what they called McNamara's morons. McNamara, not exactly an Einstein himself, had this warped idea that those on the low end of the IQ scale would follow orders better. It turned out to be just the opposite, that those were the types to frag their officers while actually in Viet Nam. McNamara was one of the executives at Ford Motor Company and spent a bunch of money for a study to determine whether or not seatbelts helped. It doesn't take a study to determine that it is better to stay put in the seat rather than flying through the windshield or hitting the dash or steering wheel. McNamara should never have been in a decision making job. EVER!
Legit appreciate your commentary on this movie. You have great movie foresight and speak about character arc, spons and turns that make the story so great. You do commentary justice. Thanks!!!
As someone that has studied sound engineering/design. I too have an appreciation at good sound design in movies. Your comments about how it elevates the scenes are spot on. It's crazy how sound alone, can totally change the feeling of what you are seeing.
Some of the hardest things recruits have to do in boot camp is struggle not to laugh at the drill instructor tearing down the others recruits with their insults.
And it doesn't help if you have a Joker in your platoon/squad either.
When I was in Navy bootcamp, we had uniform inspections and stood at attention on both sides of a large room while the DI inspected us, and right before I was up, I noticed the dude across from me had made his tie (back when the working blues were black with a necktie) so that it barely came halfway down his chest, probably due to rushing/being nervous, and it looked hilarious. I couldn't keep it in very long and got reamed for cracking up. The rest of that day was not enjoyable.
I was a Marine, I went through Boot Camp at Parris Island. This is the most accurate portrayal of my experience there that I've ever seen in a movie. Right up to just before the very final scene of the boot camp portion. Live amminition for the recruits there is incredibly tightly controlled. That scene is over the top far-fetched, but it does make FMJ what it is.
Another commenter here mentioned the detail that Pyl still had rounds in a magazine when reloading another, which is how he got them back to the barracks. I wonder if someone was determined enough they could have gotten away with that, or in reality there would still be strict checks on everything coming in?
@@katskillz Recruits don't even have possession of magazines outside the rifle range. At any time. Rounds are counted out in wooden "range blocks". It's a great movie, the most accurate movie representation of Parris Island I've ever seen. But that scene is a massive fantasy scene. Live rounds were parceled out very precisely, the KD Course (known distance) requires only a very specific number of rounds to fire the cycle, and that's what is provided. Range coaches are everywhere, watching everything. That said, FMJ is still a truly excellent movie.
@@hiramburgess9925 thanks for the explanation, that makes sense. The more I think about it, this is a trademark of Kubrick where he creates a hyper detailed, realistic environment in the film that's so convincing; but with the story mechanics he finds somewhere to tweak reality to make room for a "glitch" to the whole thing.
I remember a quote of his about his approach to filming: "Real is good, interesting is better". So in FMJ he had to fudge that realistic detail you explained, so he could make room for the drama of something going wrong in a tightly controlled situation. This is just like with Clockwork Orange with their social engineering project, Dr Strangelove with the supposed fail-safe mutually assured destruction nuclear initiative, and 2001 with the "perfect" AI computer -- there's that consistent theme of humans having the amazing ability to invent and come up with fool proof technologies or policies without considering the moral implications. Then Kubrick focuses on the erratic glitch in the perfect system, which backfires in a big way.
@@katskillz there’s also a discrepancy with R. Lee Ermey’s uniform that can only be deliberate. It’s small but any Marine who has ever pinned out a set of service greens sees it.
@@hiramburgess9925What is it? Can you give me a hint?
Love your channel! You are so insightful. Thanks!
the night time scene in the bathroom is cinematic mastery. the score, the audio mixing, the lighting, the acting. pure tension, the first time you see it you cant help but hold your breath. this is one of my favorite scenes of all time.
Vincent D'Onofrio going from normal dude to insane is amazing acting ! It's like his model for all his future unhinged character in the future like Kingpin in Daredevil or the killer in the Cell !
Pvt. Joker - Matthew Modine (Dr. Brenner from "Stranger Things")
Pvt. Pyle - Vincent D'Onofrio (Bobby Green from " Law & Order")
Sgt. Hartman - R. Lee Ermey ( lead toy soldier from "Toy Story")
Lt. Lockhart, Joker's editor - John Terry (Christian Shepherd from " Lost")
Animal Mother - Adam Baldwin (Jayne Cobb from "Firefly")
^^ IMO, the surprisingly good performance in this film is Adam Baldwin, not to take anything from any others you've listed above, because they're all excellent. The thing is entirely in the Range though. I doubt I would have been as sympathetic towards the character of Jayne in Firefly if not for this film, first.
@@jamespfp Of course, Adam will always be "My Bodyguard" for me though. He was amazing in that role.
R. Lee Ermey was also the Drill Instructor in the film, "The Boys of Company C". Another Vietnam movie.
@@jeffburnham6611He was also a chopper pilot in "Apocalypse Now" but never credited.
R Lee Ermey was also in "The Siege of Firebase Gloria," "Toy Soldiers," "On Deadly Ground," and "Mississippi Burning"
"I can't wait for this guy to be molded..." Oh sweet summer child. And then at the end of the movie, well, just remember Hartman from the basic "Are you through grinning?" Kubrick created that journey of emotions to make a point.
Dudes voice was just fine. Dude did that for real, for years.
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In the scene where the bodies are shown covered with lime in the mass grave, bodies were often covered with lime to hasten decomposition, mainly for health reasons.
Dead bodies stink to high hell from about day 3-7. Lime does speed things up.
@@BDogg2023 In the hot humid conditions of Vietnam, they're gonna start getting ripe in just a few hours. The Lime doesn't speed up decomp, it actually slows it down by controlling bacteria growth and thus also helps control odor.
The reason the drill instructor is so tough on them is he is preparing them for battle, not a job at Wal-Mart.
Ok relax
Tbh wal mart is not that far off
@@user-fo5gc8rf9krelax about what? He just spoke true
drill instructors are there to prepare the men for the rigors of war. this requires extreme focus and an ability to control ones emotions in the heat of combat. if they can't handle getting yelled at, they are not coming back alive. if they are unable to concentrate and/or freeze in a highly dangerous situation, they will make mistakes that can and will cost them and others their lives. THAT is what a drill instructors job is.
To put it as bluntly as I can: When you enlist in the Marines, particularly in wartime (provided you make it through bootcamp), there's fairly decent chance you'll see at least one of your fellow men get blown to pieces on the battlefield. When you're preparing for that, some rough words at bootcamp are the least of your worries. And DIs know that better than anyone. They know that you making it back alive is more important than keeping your feelings intact.
Ames. I really love this reaction, thank you. Your humanity during this is quite moving.
Your laughter at the beginning made me smile, and your random Bane Impression made me laugh out loud because of how random it was. Thank you!
"that's how Houdini died"-- LOL I am fucking dying
"Am I supposed to be laughing right? I don't think so." Proceeds to laugh. Lol 😂
Yeah if u dont laugh u might be a psychopath
In my opinion that is also part of the training. The troops better not laugh... Or they are next
A: Yes, the Audience is allowed to Laugh. Remember, Kubrick has a real talent for dark humor and he also understood that Tragedy is best served with a healthy dollop of Comedy on the side or the Pain of the Art would be too great to bear, just like Life. See also Catharsis.
@@macmcgee5116 it kind of is, military bearing. The recommendation I give to recruits is pinch something as hard as you can to prevent grinning. I'm the type that develops a smile during stress so I had a full blown bruise on my right thigh from standing at rest.
The end song "Paint it Black" by The Rolling Stones was also the theme song for the series called "Tour of Duty" and that series was set in the Vietnam War.
I have seen this movie over a dozen times, but I don't believe I ever enjoyed it more than watching you watch it. Anticipating your reactions for the upcoming scenes was priceless. This is the first time running across your channel and I'm moved by your heartfelt reactions. I learned some new things today by listening to your commentary. Your knowledge of the art of film also impresses me.
On a second note: if you have not chosen a movie to begin learning about John Wayne, I recommend that you start with Angel in the Bad Man. It ranks in my top five favorite films.
You’re a great sport for making it to the end! Congrats!
This is actually not Kubrick's first anti-war film. His first was several decades earlier in 1957's "Paths of Glory" starring Kirk Douglas. One of the very first Hollywood films to speak to the actual dehumanizing realities of war. I highly recommend that one as well. It's lesser known than this one, but it's just as brilliant.
Her face when the drill instructor started talking 😅
Another Vietnam favorite of mine was "Good Morning Vietnam" starring Robin Williams. Story of an Air Force DJ serving in Vietnam. Robin Williams comedy at its best!
Lee Ermey, who played Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, actually served in the Marine Corps during the Vietnam War. He served twelve years in the Corps, retiring as a Staff Sergeant. He wasn’t originally cast in the role of Sgt. Hartman. Tim Colceri, who played the door gunner who was shooting at civilians from the helicopter, was originally cast in the role of Sgt. Hartman while Lee Ermey was hired as technical advisor. However Director Stanley Kubrick soon realized that he had to recast the part. While Tim Colceri tried to PLAY Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Lee Ermey WAS Gunnery Sergeant Hartman. So Kubrick cast Ermey as Hartman and Colceri as the door gunner.
As far as parts of the movie coming across as satire, that was Stanley Kubrick’s directorial style. Kubrick also gave us “The Shining.” Enough said.
The door gunner scene alludes to two things: the inhumanity of war and the effect it has on some people, and the fact that in Vietnam one often didn’t know who one’s friends were so there was a tendency by some to shoot first and ask questions later. I grew up during the Vietnam War and have had several friends who were Vietnam vets. To a man they told me that the three worst things about that war were the frequent inability to tell friend from foe, the lack of clear objectives for fighting the war and finally the unpopularity of the war at home. All of those things made life really hard on those who survived that war.
Finally, Amy alludes to the strange places her mind goes while watching movies. Personally I love the places her mind goes. I’ve watched this movie several times yet Amy has pointed out things that I’ve never noticed before about this movie, such as how one scene foreshadows another. Keep up the great work!
The first half of the movie is exactly what bootcamp is like. The only difference in 1996 when I went was the color of the uniform, we had woodland camo.
Also technically the DI's weren't allowed to hit you. Also we were using the M16-A2s(they didn't have a full auto on the selector like the A1s did). Instead of the old M1's
sounds like brainwashing to me
I went thru boot camp in San Diego in '96, I put my feet on those yellow prints on April 29,1996. I was in India company.
@@markcarpenter6020they remove the auto fire capability from the M16s for recruits in basic training and the 3 round burst capability from the M16A2s when they started to replace the A1s. It's called an auto sear that makes them fully automatic. Remove that and it loses it full auto capability.
@@Patrick-xv6qv ours had burst but they said studies had shown the full auto was bad. Too many people spraying and praying back in Vietnam and doing it so much the heat damaged the barrel. So between replacing barrels and amo usage it was decided burst was more "cost effective" than full auto. I don't really know anything about the carbine they use now. What is it the M14?
As a Combat Marine 1994-2002, I can honestly say that the boot camp portion of this movie is almost spot on. When I say almost, I mean the simple fact that you are only seeing a single Drill Instructor in this movie. Most platoons in boot camp will have 4, or even 5 drill instructors doing everything you see Gunnery Sergeant Hartman doing here. So when you say it's "crazy" or "he's always yelling", yes, and so were 4 more in the same room. Most times you didn't know what to say or do because one will tell you one thing, and another would tell you something different. They'd play on your senses till you didn't know which way was up. And there were so many other things that you will never see, that only we would know. Semper Fi Brothers.
I joined the Army in 1995, now retired. The night before we shipped out for Basic Training around 20 of us all got drunk in the hotel they put us up in and watched this movie. It was epic. One guy even bailed that night. We never saw him again. He was most likely the smart one.
My dad got his PhD in American Literature with a specialization in literature about the Vietnam War. He once told me when I was a kid that there are no happy stories about the Vietnam War, and thirty years later I still haven’t found one.
True, the best two I have read were "A Bright Shining Lie", and the book by Cincinnatus.
There was a guy who suffered stab wounds, a few gun shots, and a broken jaw and managed to save many during Nam if I ain't wrong. I may be very wrong, but I believe his name was Ray Benavidez
"I feel so FUCKED UP!..." Exactly as Stanley Kubrick intended.
He did it
Fun fact. The crazy guy in the helicopter shooting indiscriminately at innocent people saying "ain't war hell!" , he was originally hired to play the drill sergeant. But R. Lee Ermy impressed Kubrick so much that he won the role.
As a former military now veteran, this movie's first half is insanely funny to people like me. It wasn't too funny when we experienced it, but most of us laugh about it now. I adore the boot camp part of this movie, and then, of course, it gets pretty disturbing. This Marine drill instructor is pure gold
Back during this time, not only were Drill Instructors (DI) allowed to speak unfavorably to some, they could strike, punch, slap, etc., a recruit.
Not these days, though.
That didn't always stop them. When I was in boot back in 95 they would still beat the hell out of recruit's during portions of the training.
That didn't always stop them. They just found ways to make it part of training.,.
2013, they gut punched you if you talked back. Rare but it happened.
@@markcarpenter6020 When I went through in '98 they had stopped the beatings the year before and turned the old roughing up room into a tea and coffee room
Ermey was asked about that and said that kind of physical abuse wasn't allowed even in his day. He said it did sometimes happen but it wasn't sanctioned and you'd be in trouble if a superior walked in on it (unless the recruit was zoned out and it was just a light slap to get their attention).
The apparent rediculousness of a lot of the humor between the troops is a real thing. Its called battlefield humor, its very dark and inappropriate and often comes out at strange times, like the middle of a firefight.
Its basically a way that some soldiers cope with everything going on around them. They feel like if they dont laugh, they will cry... So they laugh.
The end of the movie, with Joker after he shoots the sniper, with the silent "thousand yard stare" gets me every time I see it; it's just haunting.
"15 dollars! God!!" I almost died XD
One of the best reactors on RUclips. You bring heart and mind to your reactions, and your empathy is so genuine. Seeing these movies through your eyes adds dimensions.
My late father served in the late 1950's in the USMC.Too young for the Korean War , at that time it was mandatory service you either volunteered or got drafted. Judges used to order problem teens to he military also. The Marines was only two years if you volunteered. My Father had to participate in a "Blanket Party" (The soap in towels) on two fellow Marines (they were stealing watches). Dad said that it straightened them out. And you Don't mess with the Brotherhood! After two years my father did not stay on but was on call. he got married and had us kids. He found out later the group that he was assigned to that went to Vietnam was wipe out in an ambush.
It's really two movies - Marine Corp Bootcamp & Fighting in Vietnam
Lee Ermy’s performance in the first half of this movie is so unbelievable. One of mt top 10 favorite performances
I love that you include most of the movie
try my best CR was tough on this one
Apparently the head-shaving scene was the last to be filmed. They shaved their heads before all the basic training scenes were shot, they grew it out again to shoot the scenes in ‘Vietnam’ (actually filmed in England) just to have it shaved again. 😭
Oh Stanley, ya rascal 😂
45:34. The duality of man. Young “men” seperated from adolesence by only a year or two, marching through a burning city singing the song of the TV show they all watched growing up as children.
This is one of the most accurate depictions of boot camp you'll ever see.
Thank you, you brought up something I hadn't noticed in any of the 100 times I've seen this movie, namely that Cowboy, from Texas, was shot by the sniper from a Texas shaped hole. Knowing Kubrick, that's for sure no coincidence.
"maybe they don't want your help"
American foreign policy, summed up on a single sentence
The south Vietnamese wanted our help
@CodeeXD it's terrible clown world that communist in media and education painted Vietnam wrong in pop culture.
People don't understand the south Vietnamese were fighting for whole lot longer than any American there since they had rotations.
Hearing from Mac v sog podcast where 100% Russians, chinese, and Cubans were involved on the ground.
Do you think about that for south Korea or Afghanistan where women were not under talbain law for 20 years
I just recently started watching your channel from one RUclipsr to another I find your nostalgia very refreshing keep up the good work I respect it
My uncle was a Navy SEAL around this arrow as well yes this is extremely accurate according to him ...
Really enjoyed you seeing this movie. So much. Enjoyed responding. I think you learned much. And possibly... possibly... your followers.
My father passed away when I was 14, and he allowed me to watch many films a young boy shouldn’t. This film makes the list of many greats my dad was able to show me
Interesting my Uncle was a veteran and actually served in the battle depicted at the end in Que City, VIETNAM. He said that the biggest thing is that the actual area has no skyscrapers or factories like you see in the movie. It was more like a very large suburb area and that if you look closely you see actors shivering and their breath like on cold days. Reason for that is Stanley Kubrick actually filmed the movie in an abandoned gas works factory in North London. But I think the overall message like all of Kubricks films deal with the issue of humans being dehumanized along with elements of dark humor. His best is and always will be 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Sorry, it's Hue City.
@@gregwilliams386 ah whoops
@@jasongreathouse6661 Kubrick shot the second half of the film on sound stages in the UK, instead of the Philippines cuz he was too afraid to fly. So, that's why we get bombed out buildings that look more reminiscent of WWII than the jungles of Vietnam. That seems so lazy. So, thank god for _Platoon._
@@rustincohle2135 No, this was never supposed to be a jungle-warfare movie. There was more to the Vietnam War than just jungle fighting. Most of the second half of *Full Metal Jacket* is a portrayal of the Battle of Huế during the Tet Offensive of Jan-March 1968.
The Battle of Huế was a month of house-to-house fighting in an urban setting; back when it was happening in November 2004 the Battle of Fallujah during the Iraq War was frequently compared to the Battle of Huế in terms of U.S. Marines duking it out in close quarters with their enemy, street by bloody street.
@@rustincohle2135 The whole point of "Full Metal Jacket" was to make a movie about the Vietnam war that WASN'T set in the jungle, which is how that war had been portrayed in films up to that point, most notably in "Apocalypse Now". BTW, if you think building a believable Vietnamese city in London (with fully-grown palm trees imported directly from Spain, among the other things) and populating it with scores of extras in uniform along with period-accurate American military vehicles is "lazy", then you shouldn't talk about movie making. That movie took a whole year to make. I know one of the people from the camera department and he maintains that, to this day, it was the most intense shoot he has ever been on.
In the novel - at the end Joker is back home in a laundromat suffering from the effects of PTSD staring at his laundry. (1000 Yard Stare) When Animal Mother, now also a civilian, comes up to Joker and says Semper Fi.
"I can't wait for this guy to molded into one tough ass marine" he's gunna mold alright, in that coffin, and that stain on the wall.
For more on the Vietnam War, check out "Platoon" (1986), written and directed by Oliver Stone, supposedly partly based on his own experience from the war. Starring basically everyone, but a very young Charlie Sheen is the lead. Stone followed up the movie with "Born on the Fourth of July" (1989) starring Tom Cruise as real life Vietnam veteren Ron Kovic, and finally "Heaven and Earth" (1993) told from mostly the perspective of a young Vietname woman. Together these movies is a kind of informal trilogy on the war.
Oliver Stone is a known liar, exaggerator, fabulist, fake, and phony
This movie came out when I was in the middle of my army infantry basic training, just four days after I turned 17. We were actually given a half-day off to watch this. They even allowed us to have civilian food. We all ate a lot, but it ended up being a bad idea because afterwards they made us run 9 miles back to Ft. Benning. Most of us ended up vomiting along the way. It's strange how, now at 55, I look back and realize that my time in infantry school was the most enjoyable period of my life.
Right after basic training, I went straight to airborne school. They have a tradition there where the youngest guy in the unit does everything first. He gets the first meal, receives mail first, and on every jump, he is the first one out of the plane. They refer to him as the "Keeper of the Wings" because he's the only soldier allowed to wear jump wings. He has to keep them polished to a shiny, glass-like appearance and present them for inspection every morning. I went through numerous pair of wings as the silver wore off from all the polishing. Ah, the days of my youth.
Here's a video of me a few days before I completed my 31 years of service. I apologize for the sound being out of sync, but it's the only footage I have from my time in the army. In the video, I'm teaching my roommate some Fung Fu. ruclips.net/video/NWv6Oml_eYA/видео.html
P.S. In case you were wondering, the item I'm wearing is a medicine bag. It was a part of my Lakota Indian heritage, as my mother was full-blooded Lakota. On my dog tags, it stated my blood type as O-positive and included my name and SSN. As for the religion, mine said "BARBARIAN" at the bottom.
This is a great film. It was cool watching you react to it!
This is why employers prefer military. We don't whine over silly crap
The D.I. successfully turns Lawrence into a killing machine. It backfires--on him.
Yep some guys aren't cut out for the military and that's ok they can do other things with their lives.
But back then with the draft they had no choice they had to go.
Oh my God, thank you for doing this review. I love your ability to make me laugh so hard.
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I served. Yup, that basic training part was very much what it was like. As foreign as it was, I loved serving, even the basic training part. I firmly believe that mandatory 2 years service would do this country a ton of good.
NOTHING is "over the top" just for this movie!!
Veteran here. Boot camp seems absurd and abusive, but they effectually weed out the bad apples. There's definitely a method to the madness. If a person can't take orders how to fold underwear then they shouldn't be around weapons or equipment worth millions of dollars. I enjoy watching your channel and I like your synopsis style.
Exactly and there is a chance they will get themselves (and others killed) it makes you to carry out orders without hesitate, which you cannot do during combat.
_"but they effectually weed out the bad apples"_
No, it doesn't. There's still so many bad apples that make it out of boot camp and ruin the fleet.
Yes, many could die if their underwear wasn't folded correctly.
Check out the Great G-String Massacre...tragic. 🥲
Former service man (conscript, army, (Infantryregiment 19) ) in Sweden.
If you can't do simple stuff like march in a straight line or maintain basic radio discipline they sure as hell won't let you touch a loaded firearm.
@@Vollification Yea, there's a lot of debate whether anything about boot camp is actually valid. Like some of the ideas being _"the drill instructors shout at you in boot camp cuz if you can't operate under stress in a controlled environment, you can't operate under stress in an uncontrolled one"_ or _"if you can't march straight, you can't handle a weapon"_ etc. And that's honestly nonsense. Some people are just awkward and have lousy coordination. I knew someone who was a navy nuclear engineer but he couldn't make a bed neatly to save his life. And I had a roommate who was a pharmacist and combat medic but was totally inept at simple tasks like mopping floors. Being able to do one thing has nothing to do with another.