Ngl i dont totally understand the hype with Elliot, my cousin used to love Hamlin then a few years ago Hamlin wrecked Elliot and he started hating Hamlin and loving Elliot but I dont fully understand why? People wreck each other all the time way was this rave different?
How would NOT pushing someone ahead of you to the win race manipulation? Drivers have zero obligation to help other drivers do anything on the track. So dumb.
@@rlh1730I don't see it that way. This isn't Richmond & MWR where they are told to spin out. Teams/drivers are under no obligation to help others try and win the race.
They didn’t really show the side of Ricky’s car well on the broadcast, so this is the first I’m realizing that it was an actual hole. I thought it was just rubber build up. That makes it all the more impressive that he held onto it when Cindric was turned into him.
Not really, from what I saw it just looked like a normal donut mark, I thought ay first it was a hole, but when Ricky never got called to to fix it, and NBC never showed a full closeup
I’d like to say thanks for putting out an objective.. podcast..? Whatever you wanna call this. Besides Eric, you’re really the only NASCAR RUclipsr I watch. Every video is great.
Logano kept bumping Brad and he wrecked the 2 and rest of the field!!! Logano seems to get away with alot of shit!!! And Chevy would have been mad at Larson and Hendricks if he had pushed a Ford to the win!!!
lol logano and keslowski have caused so many wrecks on superspeedways by trying to push each other over the years. if you ever see them both line up tthen theres about a 70% chance of a wreck happening soon after.
You can’t change it 3/4 of the way through the season, it could and could have affected everyone’s points throughout this race, and previous races in the season already.
Why did they pull the red for yellow than tow the9 the 14 andBurton they didnt move the field till they cleared the track giving the 9 and 14 more time to to fix thier car
Dvp definitely needs to be fixed immediately and stated in rules. Currently it isnt how should be and changing rule without an actual change doesn't work either.
Nascar needs to learn how to be consistent and unbiased, regardless of who is driving, and what team they are on. Right now there is no consistency, and lots very angry fans.
He was clearly told over the radio not to push the car ahead to the win. Clearly race manipulation affecting the outcome. Exactly the same thing Michael Waltrip Racing was heavily penazized for years ago.
24 won. 6 did something to the roof rails. No different than the 4 last year on the windshield. 47 should have been ordered to pit road for the safety repair.
Bottomline , there are to many bogus rules in NASCAR that are not being upheld (except by decision) . They need to make rules that everyone can follow and know that everyone plays by the same . They pick and choose What , When , How and Why . Can't understand Kyle Busch being sent back to his original position at Nashville (other than the pick and choose method) . What a mockery that has been made of NASCAR .
The only reason why NASCAR didn’t tow all the cars back to the garage is because there would have been 11 cars left to finish the race and then everyone would have been pissed off about that
Why follow the rule book if nobody uses it. Let the teams decide weather the car is can continue to race after all it's not the teams fault that Nascar built a poorly designed car.
I'm trying to figure out how it would have been race manipulation even if he didn't push at all. It's not required to push anyone at anytime, EVER. So how on earth was it manipulation? Race manipulation is about deliberate interference with a competitor (deliberate damage or wreck), or artificially creating a situation that benefits you or your team mate (Clint Boyers spin for a yellow) The day that NASCAR requires you helping your competitor win is the end of NASCAR
Exactly, are you told or is it law to push someone, no so if he did ok, if he didn’t ok. It’s horses for courses, if you pushed a Ford to a win, that also got your let’s say main Chevy competitor out of the playoffs, championship on the line, I say push that ford all the way
@JeffWeselyan the spotter said not to push him to the finish so what? They arent even teammates! Is a soccer player going to make a goal for the rival team because they are so close to winning? No they arent
The reason why he was told to not push the 6 is because the 6 is a ford and the 47 is owned by JTG which is an ally to HMS that KL races for. HMS and Chevy would mosty likely be pretty pissed off if he helped a ford win.
@@JeffWeselyan I heard the radio, I've also seen the SMT data that shows he didn't lift...and again, why do you think not helping someone else win a race is race manipulation? Why do you want NASCAR choosing winners?
They need to get rid of the stupid yellow line rule. They are still wading up cars at the end of the race. Yellow line in the corners. No yellow line on the back straight and the tri oval.
Sorry, I don't agree with you. There was nothing really wrong with the 47 car other than a little foam that isn't going to do anything. Nascar made a good no call because that 47 car did nothing wrong to cause this. Otherwise, Nascar should have redflagged the race and allowed everyone work on their cars
That's way they changed from re to yellow while holding the field so the 14 and 9 repair there cars under b last 2 weeks the rule was if you had to be towed you went to garage and get a DNF. the DVP rule
@@raymondhoffman4371 yes I know that. I have been watching Nascar for 55 years. My point is that it is a very stupid rule when no major damage occurred to the door nor was caused by him. Imagine everytime from here forward pulling the leader off the track and costing them the race because of a rule that is intended for much more severe impacts. So if you gonna go ultra enforcement on a rule when there is really no reason to do it, then through the other one out under red flag so they can fix it.
Larson didn’t lift but they rarely lift. They stay full throttle and use the brake to control the distance to the car in front of them. They brake to slow the car. Keeps the rpm’s up, it’s easier to control the gap and the car picks speed back up quicker just using the brake. So he’s not lifting in normal situations, just use a little brake. Now, I’m sure 5 did use the brake to stay off the 6 but it doesn’t matter. Race manipulation is nonsense, it happens all the time and good luck policing it. Whether 5 did intentionally stay off the 6, I don’t know. I’d have to see how much brake he was using from 4 to the stripe. It looked like he could have pushed the 6 harder because he’d get the 6 and almost push then lose a few feet. Looked like he was just staying off him and letting the outside line win. So it’s probably manipulation but who cares. He’s a driver, it’s part of it. He’s under no obligation to push.
For all you NON-NASCAR Nerds He said "Dont push him to the win" Which meant go for the win yourself or dont help someone else (the 6 car) win the race. Why? Because this is a PLAYOFF Race. If Brad wins the race it means hes locked into the next round of the playoffs and Larson could have possibly eliminated himself or one of his teammates from the playoffs if in fact he or the 9 or 24 has trouble next week in the elimination race. Facts are facts he was doing what was best for him and his Hendrick Teammates. Brad would have done the same thing if the rolls were reversed. Side note Larson drives for the top Chevrolet team Hendrick motorsports they were not and did not push a Ford to the win over the 47 CHEVY. The 47 also may get there motors built/from Hendrick Motorsports. Im not a Larson fan or a Stenhouse fan or a BK hater but again facts are facts. GO TEAM CHEVY
The only one who altered the outcome was Brad Kes. the dude wrecked 75% of the field. Nascar running 2004 rules, I like it. People were upset when Talladega returned to October. Larson and company did nothing wrong, how many yotas hold back from pushimg a ford or chevy ? I see it evety week.
@@kharnthebetrayer1575 the problem is excuses and dramatic over reactions by both NASCAR and the fans. I seem a typical Talladega, it's nothing we haven't already seen. I don't see the issue, I don't think there is an issue, I think some fans favorite driver got taken out and now its an issue.
elliot and briscoe should be disqualified, nascar has done this before after a time lapse and looking at the incident later, of course stenhouse car was illegal, the whole world saw the door how the hell did elton not see it, tuesday is here, disqualify him. and how is it legal to hold all the other cars on the track behind the pace car and change the light to caution, still hold the cars and giving the injured cars of elliot and briscoe time to make repairs and not be lapped, the fans are not stupid.
It's pretty obvious what happened. Chase Elliot was involved. That's what changed.
No one has ever been anymore right about anything in history.
Ngl i dont totally understand the hype with Elliot, my cousin used to love Hamlin then a few years ago Hamlin wrecked Elliot and he started hating Hamlin and loving Elliot but I dont fully understand why? People wreck each other all the time way was this rave different?
Nascar changes the dvp rule one week to late for Josh and the 4 car. He's got to feel like the last guy who was arrested for pot in Colorado.
Lol . Plus they dropped him in the campground
I honestly thought it was a donut on Ricky's car. They didn't show enough of it on the broadcast.
How would NOT pushing someone ahead of you to the win race manipulation? Drivers have zero obligation to help other drivers do anything on the track. So dumb.
Because he was clearly told over the radio not to push him to the win. That’s race manipulation.
@@rlh1730I don't see it that way. This isn't Richmond & MWR where they are told to spin out. Teams/drivers are under no obligation to help others try and win the race.
@rlh1730 That's race manipulation from the spotter at the least, but still, Larson never lifted.
Seems pushing a car would be race manipulation
They didn’t really show the side of Ricky’s car well on the broadcast, so this is the first I’m realizing that it was an actual hole. I thought it was just rubber build up. That makes it all the more impressive that he held onto it when Cindric was turned into him.
They showed it many times !
I thought it was just a doughnut
And the thing is that they even showed it on tv about the hole in the door
Not really, from what I saw it just looked like a normal donut mark, I thought ay first it was a hole, but when Ricky never got called to to fix it, and NBC never showed a full closeup
That happened to Blaney at Watkins too.
Yes. But the 12 steering went out and they said it couldn’t have been repaired anyways. Something with the column broke
I’d like to say thanks for putting out an objective.. podcast..? Whatever you wanna call this. Besides Eric, you’re really the only NASCAR RUclipsr I watch. Every video is great.
They did the same thing to # 12 car a few weeks ago
The 12 was broke. Steering was done.
As a fellow bengals fan who hasnt watched football since the logan wilson PI in the Super Bowel. It will never be called the same.
How low NASCAR has sunk.... i miss the good 'ol days.
How good were those days? I mean really, 40 years I been watching
Logano kept bumping Brad and he wrecked the 2 and rest of the field!!! Logano seems to get away with alot of shit!!! And Chevy would have been mad at Larson and Hendricks if he had pushed a Ford to the win!!!
lol logano and keslowski have caused so many wrecks on superspeedways by trying to push each other over the years. if you ever see them both line up tthen theres about a 70% chance of a wreck happening soon after.
Kyle pushed Brad into the lead and Brad choose not to block, Thats on Brad
@@ronfalk5296 lagono was behind him
@@robertstultz2260 this was after the wreck
as JJ would say,CHASE is the RACE!!!!!!
You can’t change it 3/4 of the way through the season, it could and could have affected everyone’s points throughout this race, and previous races in the season already.
Why did they pull the red for yellow than tow the9 the 14 andBurton they didnt move the field till they cleared the track giving the 9 and 14 more time to to fix thier car
They’ve been doing this 75 years! Do they not know the rules!
Dvp definitely needs to be fixed immediately and stated in rules. Currently it isnt how should be and changing rule without an actual change doesn't work either.
Nascar needs to learn how to be consistent and unbiased, regardless of who is driving, and what team they are on. Right now there is no consistency, and lots very angry fans.
At the end of the day, Badass Brad should have won, but God for bid that ever happens
"It's a wrecked bucket of fuck"!!!!!!
Gotta make sure Mickey Mouse makes it to the next round.
I mean it’s HMS what do you expect nascar loves HMS
Remember when they said they put a senior member in the restart zone to make calls lol they are going to do that for wrecked cars
"we are corrupt , but you should not be able to notice."
Two of the guys at Door Bumper Clear often refer to a BrAD push. Keselowski does seem to have more than his fair share of pushes gone bad
He was clearly told over the radio not to push the car ahead to the win. Clearly race manipulation affecting the outcome. Exactly the same thing Michael Waltrip Racing was heavily penazized for years ago.
Lmao... Pushing one would be more of a manipulation technically.. No obligation to push anyone and it's been going on for decades
What about Bell not pushing Larson? Get real
This guy leaves the 6 and 17 roof rails missing, guess nascar didn't see that either 😂😂
Are you covering the INDYCAR race in Dallas
I think it was smart for the drivers to stay in their cars instead of getting out.
24 won.
6 did something to the roof rails. No different than the 4 last year on the windshield.
47 should have been ordered to pit road for the safety repair.
But yet it got ignored 🤷🏼♂️
Oddly enough it was the 6-17 both didn't have them
There shore are a lot of Karen & Guber Comments ,
Bottomline , there are to many bogus rules in NASCAR that are not being upheld (except by decision) . They need to make rules that everyone can follow and know that everyone plays by the same . They pick and choose What , When , How and Why . Can't understand Kyle Busch being sent back to his original position at Nashville (other than the pick and choose method) . What a mockery that has been made of NASCAR .
The only reason why NASCAR didn’t tow all the cars back to the garage is because there would have been 11 cars left to finish the race and then everyone would have been pissed off about that
Wouldn’t be the first time that happened though lol. But yeah you’re right.
Why follow the rule book if nobody uses it. Let the teams decide weather the car is can continue to race after all it's not the teams fault that Nascar built a poorly designed car.
"We want to err on the side of competitors".......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣...in what universe, certainly not this one.
I'm trying to figure out how it would have been race manipulation even if he didn't push at all. It's not required to push anyone at anytime, EVER. So how on earth was it manipulation? Race manipulation is about deliberate interference with a competitor (deliberate damage or wreck), or artificially creating a situation that benefits you or your team mate (Clint Boyers spin for a yellow)
The day that NASCAR requires you helping your competitor win is the end of NASCAR
Check that radio!!!
Exactly, are you told or is it law to push someone, no so if he did ok, if he didn’t ok.
It’s horses for courses, if you pushed a Ford to a win, that also got your let’s say main Chevy competitor out of the playoffs, championship on the line, I say push that ford all the way
@JeffWeselyan the spotter said not to push him to the finish so what? They arent even teammates! Is a soccer player going to make a goal for the rival team because they are so close to winning? No they arent
The reason why he was told to not push the 6 is because the 6 is a ford and the 47 is owned by JTG which is an ally to HMS that KL races for. HMS and Chevy would mosty likely be pretty pissed off if he helped a ford win.
@@JeffWeselyan I heard the radio, I've also seen the SMT data that shows he didn't lift...and again, why do you think not helping someone else win a race is race manipulation? Why do you want NASCAR choosing winners?
Of course Ricky's guys aren't going to admit that they got help from NASCAR, if NASCAR didn't tell them to fix it, then there should be no problem
Why can’t NASCAR be consistent
They need to get rid of the stupid yellow line rule. They are still wading up cars at the end of the race. Yellow line in the corners. No yellow line on the back straight and the tri oval.
Degas ending was purely just for the show.
Nascar fans are insufferable. Never happy. Always complaining.
Maybe u don’t push him to the win .. but if you don’t push him he does not win ………………
Larson back off per team orders. Don't push the Ford
Sorry, I don't agree with you. There was nothing really wrong with the 47 car other than a little foam that isn't going to do anything. Nascar made a good no call because that 47 car did nothing wrong to cause this. Otherwise, Nascar should have redflagged the race and allowed everyone work on their cars
Nascar rule can't work on cars. With red flag
That's way they changed from re to yellow while holding the field so the 14 and 9 repair there cars under b last 2 weeks the rule was if you had to be towed you went to garage and get a DNF. the DVP rule
@@raymondhoffman4371 yes I know that. I have been watching Nascar for 55 years. My point is that it is a very stupid rule when no major damage occurred to the door nor was caused by him. Imagine everytime from here forward pulling the leader off the track and costing them the race because of a rule that is intended for much more severe impacts. So if you gonna go ultra enforcement on a rule when there is really no reason to do it, then through the other one out under red flag so they can fix it.
Stop the dumb rules
Larson didn’t lift but they rarely lift. They stay full throttle and use the brake to control the distance to the car in front of them. They brake to slow the car. Keeps the rpm’s up, it’s easier to control the gap and the car picks speed back up quicker just using the brake. So he’s not lifting in normal situations, just use a little brake.
Now, I’m sure 5 did use the brake to stay off the 6 but it doesn’t matter. Race manipulation is nonsense, it happens all the time and good luck policing it.
Whether 5 did intentionally stay off the 6, I don’t know. I’d have to see how much brake he was using from 4 to the stripe. It looked like he could have pushed the 6 harder because he’d get the 6 and almost push then lose a few feet. Looked like he was just staying off him and letting the outside line win. So it’s probably manipulation but who cares. He’s a driver, it’s part of it. He’s under no obligation to push.
For all you NON-NASCAR Nerds He said "Dont push him to the win" Which meant go for the win yourself or dont help someone else (the 6 car) win the race. Why? Because this is a PLAYOFF Race. If Brad wins the race it means hes locked into the next round of the playoffs and Larson could have possibly eliminated himself or one of his teammates from the playoffs if in fact he or the 9 or 24 has trouble next week in the elimination race. Facts are facts he was doing what was best for him and his Hendrick Teammates. Brad would have done the same thing if the rolls were reversed. Side note Larson drives for the top Chevrolet team Hendrick motorsports they were not and did not push a Ford to the win over the 47 CHEVY. The 47 also may get there motors built/from Hendrick Motorsports. Im not a Larson fan or a Stenhouse fan or a BK hater but again facts are facts. GO TEAM CHEVY
Brad K is not in the playoffs 😂😂😂
This new car is junk, and the racing is not good, and NASCAR is a joke. Haven’t missed a race in years, but my time may be running short
These new Karen fans must just be learning that manufacturers do this and have been doing it for decades 🤷🏼♂️
The only one who altered the outcome was Brad Kes. the dude wrecked 75% of the field.
Nascar running 2004 rules, I like it.
People were upset when Talladega returned to October.
Larson and company did nothing wrong, how many yotas hold back from pushimg a ford or chevy ? I see it evety week.
Mean how Brad was getting pushed by Joey , and Joey getting pushed by I believe Harrison or Briscoe. The problem is pack racing.
@@kharnthebetrayer1575 the problem is excuses and dramatic over reactions by both NASCAR and the fans.
I seem a typical Talladega, it's nothing we haven't already seen. I don't see the issue, I don't think there is an issue, I think some fans favorite driver got taken out and now its an issue.
Bro it’s plate racing…
GM has hired losers now.
What? GM has the most popular/ successful drivers in the last 30 plus years.
@@T.N.D.88He means not even try (Larson) to insure another Chevy wins (Stenhouse).. your job is to hang back and make your line lose the race
No nascar is on 5 .9 48. 24 .47 side not looking good nascar another dum move again
Larson wins Roval Sunday
I think the trend of this round continues, a non playoff driver will win.
Bowman
@@roymcdre9180the hack???? I don’t think so
Lol Larson haters are so stupid
elliot and briscoe should be disqualified, nascar has done this before after a time lapse and looking at the incident later, of course stenhouse car was illegal, the whole world saw the door how the hell did elton not see it, tuesday is here, disqualify him. and how is it legal to hold all the other cars on the track behind the pace car and change the light to caution, still hold the cars and giving the injured cars of elliot and briscoe time to make repairs and not be lapped, the fans are not stupid.
NASCAR SUCKS