Hyrule has a problem with it's "Mountains" in Breath of the Wild
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- The mountains in Breath of the Wild are memorable, but they are lying to you!
Using a few hacks and some math we can discover the exact height of the mountains in Hyrule. The truth is that the mountains like Hebra, Lanayru, Hylia, and Satori are NOT mountains! Here is the full story behind the "hills" in Hyrule (and how they might still be mountains).
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I am coming back to this video after many years to clear up some confusion!
(1) Elevation is NOT the same as height when you are talking about Mountains. Elevation is the distance from sea-level to the top of a mountain.
(2) Meanwhile, height is (usually) used to describe the distance from the bottom of the mountain to the top. Another word for height is "Prominence." In hindsight that word would have been more accurate since the word height can be used to describe a lot of things.
Ok
I wish you had given both elevation and height for all of them, rather than just Death Mountain. Being that Hylia is on the Great Plateau, I'm sure it meets the UNEP definition of 300m within 7km.
Aren't mountain heights calculated from the sea level rather than from the foot of the mountain? Do these numbers change much if we make that change? (I don't suspect they will, but would be good to know).
this needs more attention
Was thinking the same thing…
Well, as far as I can tell, not the UN definition, but all the rest. The thing to consider for the UN one is that it's within 7KM, and all of Hyrule is within 7KM of the sea, so they'd all count.
This is correct.
Yeah, this whole video is complete nonsense. He should have been comparing vertical drop not elevations of real world mountains.
Could you imagine how long it would take to climb an 8,848m mountain in-game.
They'd need to add another 3 or 4 stamina wheels
The Legend of Zelda: Mountain Simulator
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Or a way up. Because not every mountain is extremely steep.
While it rains 😅
No more than in real life lol. Climbing Mount Everest takes weeks.
We've been LIED to!! (Me living in the UK)
A big rock COULD be a mountain if it was big enough.
Sorry Big Ben didn’t make the list
Well Ben Nevis is somehow taller than death mountain lol
Has u converted to tea yet tho bruv
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@@shmok2668 what?????????????
No wonder Link can climb every "mountain" without trouble
Yah, what a whimp. He should pick on a mountain his own size.
@@TheBreadPirate Maybe he is
Unless it rains.
@@ferret-tv2hj wich happens mostly when you are half way up lol then down you go
I have never beaten botw yet but today I defeated waterblight ganon, got a stamina vessel and made it to rite village so I am really proud of myself
Nice ^^
How long have you been playing the game?
I think I played 25 hours or something before I even attempted a divine beast 😂
@@christianv-b.nielsen1505 I did them immidiatly, but i was scared bec i didnt know what those bossed would be like. So i started rudania but stopped bef the bos fight and did the rito one 🤣🤣
When did you get it?
If the so called mountains are hills then everybody would be a hillyan?!?!!
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By my own estimate, the entire map in Breath of the Wild represents an area of around 25 square miles, smaller than a Midwest township. But since in-game time is compressed by a factor of 60, we can theorize that distances are also similarly compressed. So those mountains could be much taller than their literal in-game size!
In a literal sense, no.
But in a world building sense, I can agree with this analysis!
How do you know they are compressed?
@@Aristocratic13 5 minutes in game are 5 seconds irl, so we can assume distance is also compressed
@@whatintarnation7057 are you sure?
@@Aristocratic13 watch the clock in game. Every 5 seconds irl the clock moves forward by 5 minutes
i heard of something along the line of "10 scaling" which to my recollection basically means that you can view things up to 10 times smaller then a real world counterpart, its mainly used for villages/towns/cities as a way to say if this was a real world version of thing there would be upto tens times the amount of people/houses/overall size
the person i was talking to about this was talking about mainly skyrim and how 1-2 dozen houses is more of a town/village then a city (also he mentioned that things like fields could be up to 30 times bigger)
That's insightful! I'll be sure to keep my eyes peeled to see if I find the x10 scale in other games.
yeah, i mean each second is one minute so you can extrapalate much larger distances concurring with much larger amounts of time
This especially works for pokemon towns
A dozen houses is actually barely even a village. It's a hamlet, at best.
A large problem with this is that is earth mountains are measured by elevation while you measured by the relative ground to peak
The differences ended up being miniscule. Death Mountain still isn't 900 Meters tall if you use elevation.
@@TheBreadPirate but that still means if everything averages a 10 m distance
That mount Hebra would be at 600 meters. Counting it (in the book at least) as a mountain
@@JulesS25 Most mountains aren't measured by their elevation. They are measured by their prominence. I tried to use prominence whenever possible.
@@TheBreadPirate The heights you have for Vesuvius, Mt. Fuji, and Mt Everest are all relative to sea level. Mt Everest is less tall if you start at the top of the Tibetan Plateau.
@@TheBreadPirate I would totally watch a video about you identifying key cols and encirclement parents for all the notable elevations, so that we can have substantial prominence numbers.
But could you imagine climbing Mt Everest in Breath of the Wild? 4 hours later you'd be bored.
But the parasailing would be incredible
Forget the parasailing. Imagine the shieldsurfing.
Yo imagine a mountain tipe dungeon you can see all outside the mountan but it has even puzzles to still climbing the mountain, and at the end idk trhee hearts or something
I'm starting to think Hyrule is either the UK or like, Lithuania because it's always raining, foggy, somehow it's really hot and cold at the same time and there is only hills lmao.
That would explain Zelda’s accent
Kinda unrelated, but I climbed my first mountain yesterday
That's a big accomplishment! Congrats Temmie.
thats very cool!
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1:30 That's not how mountains are measured. They're measured from sea level, not the base of the mountain. So this video doesn't actually provide an accurate comparison to real-world mountains at all.
yep
Not really. Both measures are used, actually. And even if we compare them to the sea level, the results are similar.
Typically yes, they are measured from sea level. But there are 2 other methods that are used... from some reason. One is from base to summit, making Muana Kea in Hawaii the tallest. The other is measuring from the center of the earth to the summit, making Chimborazo in Ecuador the tallest.
@@Itosalix But anyone with a brain knows measuring from the center of the Earth is only for morons trying to prove a point. Since the Earth is not a perfect circle making the equatorial bulge add 13 miles to altitudes. The spin of the Earth also affects sea level, the imaginary surface that is used to measure altitudes from. So the reality is there is no official single way to measure a mountain. That is why many places stopped defining the parameters of what a mountain or hill is and just refer to altitude or randomly pick one of the two basic ways to measure.
@@zedorda1337 I'm aware of the science. I'm simply saying there are 3 methods, not there usefulness. No reason for you to fly off the handle.
I would love a zelda game that plays entirely on a mountain side. During the story progression, you slowly scale higher and higher with ganon waiting at the top
I have to point this out that all mountains are measured from seal level, i don´t know where the memory editor starts measuring but you should measure from sea level otherwise the measurements are incorrect
I know, death mountain is 504 seals above seal level
Thanks for making this!
My pleasure!
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Why pinned
@@BS-bd4xo The video was my idea
"You see that hill in the background? That's not a set piece, you can climb all the way to the top."
I like how BotW's trees are also much smaller than real life trees. So tiny trees next to these mountains make the mountains look taller than they are. BotW has lots of tricks like that to make the world seem bigger than it is!
That's a great point! I never thought of that.
@@TheBreadPirate When I still made videos, I was planning a video on that topic. Never got around to it, so I was glad you pointed this out about the mountains.
i mean... i live near a mountain that's 2571 feet (about 784 meters) and that thing is BIG. you feel really high above everything on its upper parts and hiking it is a several-hour-long thing. A lot of the mountains here are still quite sizable and would feel big IRL.
actually, im kinda impressed by the fact that death mountain reaches abt a tenth of the way up mount everest, that's higher than i would have thought
I mean, who the heck would want to spend hours climbing nearly 3km high mountains? The developers would had to fill the place to the brim with things and there is also the size issue you mentioned.
Besides, a to-scale, snowy mountainous region would be hell. The Hebra mountains are already a pain to traverse. Though a to-scale mountain could make snow surfing really sick...
Honestly. I actually would climb a 3km tall mountain in the game. Lol. But even so. It would mainly just be for showcase, having everything to scale. Not so for the game I plan to make. I intend to have large creatures that you can tame, to help with traversing my huge gaming world. I literally am including large flying beasts that you can tame to fly between the tall mountains. It's gonna be insane. The issue is basically limitations. I doubt my game will ever come to exist though, because having a mountain higher than Mt. Everest might literally break the console. The highest and largest limitation for an open-world 3D game with large places to explore, is exactly BotW to a tee. It is rare for a game to be any larger than BotW. There might be one or two others that use 1:1 scale being larger, but I don't know any.
@@mikeydrago-dt8byIf you're making a game, you should probably start off small. You would need a massive team to make something like this.
Most geologists (according to NatGeo) consider the requirements for a mountain at 300m, which honestly seems kinda low considering the Empire State Building is only 443m, but would make all of the mountains but Mount Hylia technically mountains.
so denmark doesnt have a single mountian, unless you count greenland.
A wise once man said: “breath of the wild has small mountains”
What's the elevation of Mount Hylia relative to the bottom of the great plateau? Given how parts of the plateau sweep up into it, and the hard constructed boundary that makes it a plateau, I think its likely that it would be more mountainlike to measure its bottom from the base of the plateau, given how the plateau is likely an artificial construct and the the great plateau itself was once part of a mountain that was just cut away.
I wonder what the tallest structure in the Zelda series is, either between tower of the gods, Eldin volcano from SS or Death mountain from Botw
Depends on if we count mountains in the equation. If we are only talking about man made structures I would say BotW Hyrule Castle is the tallest.
@@TheBreadPirate Also remember that The Tower of the Gods is taller than everything else in that game and all the islands are mountains tops, so If the tower of the Gods has anything underneath it ( which it has to so it won’t sink) than that would be the tallest thing from the center of the earth anyways.
@@masterspongebat2387 Given that it rose out of nowhere, why do you assume that it isn't floating or held where it is by magic?
Can't wait for the week-long climb up the geographically accurate death mountain in botw2
I think you should have taken especially mount hylia's(great plateau would have given it alot more height) height from the sea level to mount hylia's peak. That's for example the way mount everest's height is measured.
But that is not what determines if something is a mountain.
Mountains are labeled as such because of how tall they are compared to their surroundings.
Actually, you made a mistake, 600 Meters is the height from Sea Level to a mountain peak while what you used only requires something to be 300 meters tall to be a mountain. @@TheBreadPirate
Now I'd love to know how tall are big characters like gorons, Sidon, the gerudo and Kass
Love your videos Bread! What you're measuring sounds like the "topographic prominence," or basically how tall a mountain is relative to the surrounding land. The recorded elevation of the peak of a mountain is measured with respect to a gravity-adjusted hypothetical sea level through its base. Keep making awesome videos man!
I'm using prominence. Although we measure mountains by their elevation, we use prominence to determine if it qualifies as a mountain or not.
Hi the bread pirate! I love your Zelda content! Are you exited for e3? And what games do you want to show up there?
I’ve always wondered if the time in botw affects the map. I can’t remember exactly but I think every one minute is 5 minutes in game. This helps the time of day go by fast but that means you’re not covering the same distance in game that you would in real life.
So a big rock is nota mountain? My mind is explosion.
It COULD be a mountain if it is large enough.
I love these videos that combine geography and botw
Me too!
So how tall are the residents of the world compared to the landscape? Maybe we could use that to determine why the mountains are considered mountains
It would be hellish to play in a game like this with a 1:1 scale lol
You mean FANTASTIC! Think of how thrilling the shield surfing would be.
@@TheBreadPirate okay fair, haha
I'm just imagining, even moving at the super human speeds Link does, how LONG it would take to get up a full sized mountain especially if they were ALL like that
I'm actually pretty impressed by how close the mountains of Hyrule are though, that most of them do meet some definitions of mountains
I caught a mistake. 2:41 Mount Everest isn't the tallest mountain in the world, it is the highest. Highest meaning measured from sea level, and tallest meaning measured from base to tip. So, since the Hawaiian mountain Mauna Kea is considerably taller than Everest measured from its base under the sea, it is the tallest in the world. Everest is still the highest though! Also there's Mount Chimborazo, the furthest point from the center of the earth, because of equatorial bulge (the earth isn't circular, look it up).
Correction: Everest is not 8,848 meters TALL, the summit is 8,848 meters HIGH (above sea level). The base camp of Everest is around 5000 m above sea level, so the actual mountain from base to summit is just under 4000 meters.
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It's not pronounced " helia" it's "Highlia"
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Anything above like 10-20 yards and has steep/rocky terrain is probably gonna end up being a mountain to me
Fair point!
I feel like the mountains are good for the scale of the BOtW map, but in real life these would be kinda small
Are you measuring from the Sea Level like in real life or did you just go to the ground???
The question would be what makes a mountain a mountain in Hyrule? That is the only standard.
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Bro that's so trippy. It reminds me that the brain at one point named itself
I wonder what your measurements would be if you took the heights not from the base of the mountains but from sea level.
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Ayy, thanks!
As a person who lives by big mountains, I can confirm these are indeed, ““mountains””.
Bread you absolute legend, my eyes have been opened 🤯
(Also you should use that method to definitively find BotW Link’s height)
Oooo, so much knowledge at once, hope my mind can handle this mountain size discovery🤯
You can do it!
We need to do a video about loftwings again..
I always thought we were misled by some names of locations on the map. For example a "valley" somewhere in Necluda / Faron seemed to be the size of my garden xD💖
Ha ha! I know what you mean. The Sizes are wack.
8 year old me:
when its made of sand dirt gravel or grass its a hill
if its made of stone its a mountain
yeah interessting my pile of rocks is a mountain now
Bro dat dirt gon be a MAGNET for people
Very great and interesting vid!! :))
Ayy, thanks!
In real world time it takes about 5-10 hours to climb Mt. Fuji (according to a quick google search) I'm curious now how long (ingame time) it would take to climb Death Mountain, to see how it compares.
(I would like to see it compared to Fuji since it's incline seemed more similar to Death Mountain, even though Vesuvius is closer in perceived elevation, vesuvius is about 20-30 minutes to hike to the top)
I wonder if the Botw's "world ceiling" (a.k.a the height limit of the game) is high enough to contain an Everest-sized mountain or even the Mont Blanc (4807m)
Adding to the record, in France we make the difference between young mountains (the usual high and pointy ones) and the old ones (less high and more round).
The highest points of the old mountains are still at 1.5k meters.
Needless to say, the BotW numbers are baby numbers compared to it.
And a mountain is only called that if the mean of village altitude there is between 600 and 800 m and if the slope is higher than 20%. I don't think there's any village at that altitude in BotW so it's a double L for every one of them with French criteria.
I'm VERY suprised that i have gone up mountains higher that Mount Lanairu
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The only thing is video games are almost never to scale to their lore sizes. In canon the mountains are probably much bigger but that's kinda just what I would assume. If your head canon is that this is scale tho... teeny mountain.
4:14 ironic because there are red, white, and blue (and gold but those are master mode)
Most games have small mountains. A realistic, big mountain with some smaller peaks attached to it would fill up an entire map.
Déjà vu. Feels like I said that somewhere in the video. 🤣
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Sorry, made that comment a bit early and forgot about it. ^^"
@@fluffynator6222 Ha ha, it's funny how we both thought the same thing.
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Yeah, I live in a region in Europe with lots of mountains so I started wondering why video game mountains are so tiny in comparison and came to that conclusion.
Tho I have to give it to the Hebra mountain range that it is pretty close to feeling realistic.
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This video was made 2 years ago today. Happy birthday
the mountain in my town is 692 ft (211 m) tall, so in my heart they are all very good mountains.
Great video! So how big is Hyrule then? Far and wide in comparison to a modern city
I think for BotW's scaling you Seoul multiplie every number by 10. That would be realistic
I have tried googling multiple times to find out what the tallest mountain in the game is. This video answered that question for me. Thank you!
No wonder link can climb so easy 🙄 lol
Btw great video
Thanks 😅
@@TheBreadPirate np
As a Dutchman, every slightly steep hill would be called a mountain over here. So Hyrule is over 90% mountain by our standards
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FINALLY!!! I can now rest easy knowing BotW’s tallest mountain
Since each country has different measurements for a mountain, maybe hylia has different measurements too!
Now in totk we have coords.
Yes, they are called "Hills".
Sorry to throw the bone on this. I've actually measured Mt. Lanayru in-game. When you zoom in to the lowest zoom, each of the bold contours are every 5. Each contour in-game measures exactly 1m because I physically checked Link's height to them. When you count every bold contour line of Mt. Lanayru from the ocean surface, you get 195 contours. Multiply by 5, you have exactly 975m. Mt. Lanayru is not far above that in height.
I still liked this video though, because of your unique way in measuring the height map.
But did you check the botw geographical classifications for mountains? They might classify what makes a mountain differently
Gasp! You make a good point. Maybe Purah knows... 🤔
Well food doesn't spoil / heals wounds and your sword explodes into blue glitter and here we go and calculate if the height of mountains is realistic. 😂
What if the bokoblins named the Zonal towers mountains?
I'd believe it!
Darn, I felt so cool climbing the mountains
Is 600meter figure to be considered a mountain above sea level or prominence.
Did you get a measurement of how far the drop off the Great Plateau is? That's something I've always been curious about.
I did not, but in hindsight I should have. 😅
@@TheBreadPirate Oh well; let me know if you ever figure it out as part of another video! (Or you could even make that a video in and of itself, "Would falling off the Great Plateau actually kill you?". I imagine that'd work quite well for your concise format, plus you have the nice angle of testing whether "no death could be more certain" 🤔)
Why are there tombstones on the edge of the great plateau and who are buried under them ?
I would like to see the same comparison done by comparing the length of day. Even though Breath of the Wild is the largest map yet, many, my self included, believe that it is still a compacted version. Time is sped up, so that an hour does not take an hour, meaning that the distance traveled within said hour is similarly compacted. This would make everything translate much, much bigger.
Still, an interesting topic.
That would make the height of the game in real world scale more plausible, because when you play the game, one minute of in-game time is actually 1 second in real time. So comparably, 1 hour is 1 minute of our time. All we have to do now is multiply the highest height by 24. Probably. That would make Mt. Lanayru implausibly tall though, if you consider my post on this video having Mt. Lanayru be at least 975 metres tall.
@@mikeydrago-dt8by impossibly tall mountains? Sounds like Zelda to me.
Thank god for the small hills... imagine climbing a 1km mountain during rain in Breath of the Wild? No, thanks.
I need more videos like this! I enjoyed it so much!
you're supposed to measure the mountain height by subtracting the height of the summit and the height of sea level, NOT SUBTRACTING BY THE MOUNTAIN BASE HEIGHT
Considering climbing mountains is the bain of my Hyrule existence, I'm not complaining😌
You missed my boy Polymus Mountain!
Did anyone happen to analyze what the glide angle of the paraglider turns out to be?
would they be mountain sized if the whole of hyrule was above sea level? if you measured from the bottom of the pit?
Now I'm very disappointed, but at least the mountains are bigger than bread.
I wonder if link thinks the rocks there are also tastier than bread,I know the mushrooms there must be
If only bread was the size of mountains.
@@TheBreadPirate Mt.whitebread
Did you measure Mount hylia from the ground of the plateau or from the ground below the plateau?
1:26 aaaaaa Dueling Peaks doesn't have the m after the number and it hurts my OCD
H'm, how about Hyrule Castle from moat to top of the spire? It might make the list....